Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Niners return to form, Aaron Rodgers to blame, Russell Wilson return

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Brock Purdy’s 3 TD night and the San Francisco 49ers staving off a late game surge by Geno Smith, Tyler Lockett and the Seattle Seahawks. Later, Unc and Ocho debate the role Aaron Rodgers played in the firing of Jets HC Robert Saleh after going back and forth on his word, trouble brewing for Justin Fields with the return of Russell Wilson looming and much more!03:18 - Show Starts03:24 - Intro05:45 - 49ers v Seahawks19:07 - Belichick31:06 - Todd Downing41:36 - Sauce Gardner44:18 - Russell Wilson46:11 - Pickens on Fine53:41 - Ezekiel Elliot01:01:30 - Dak House(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Obviously, Club Shea Shea, we greatly, greatly appreciate your support for the last four years since we started that in September of 2020. So thank you guys for being rock solid behind us all the way through club Shaysha and nightcap. Ocho and I, we greatly, greatly appreciate it. And the staff, the team at both really appreciate your support. Ocho, the 49ers got back on the winning track with a solid win tonight on the road against the Seattle Seahawks. 36-24 Brock Purdy had another strong game throwing the football. 255 yards, three touchdowns.

George Kittle was cooking. I needed you last week, George, to get me a touchdown so I could have won that parlay. Kittle, he had five catches for 58 yards and two scores on Joe. Isaiah Gurindo? Gurindo? Fielded an average for Jordan Mason. He had 99 yards on 10 carries. Mason had a strong night before he got injured.

Geno Smith struggled despite throwing for 300 yards, finished with a touchdown and two interceptions. Kenneth Walker had 14 carries for 32 yards and a score. Tyler Lockett called four passes, 65 yards and a touchdown. But I thought this game could have been over a lot earlier, Ocho, had the 49ers been like they were last year, really good in the red zone. Because you see early on they were selling for field goals. And you know, yeah, and you know you set up a field goal, you get a field goal.

And then next thing you know, you kick the ball off and the guy runs it back. And what should have been a more lopsided game. But give those guys credit, Purdy stood in the pocket, played really well. The running game was really good. And so when you can run the ball, it doesn't matter who's back there. As long as you can run the football, you can play action off of it. And good things normally happen for you down the field. But you see MacIver, that's what we call Divo.

They talk about your Swiss overnight. Now, that joke of MacIver, because he can make anything work. He can return punts. He can return kickoff. You can line him up in the backfield like a true running back. You can put him in the slot. You can put him out wide. There's nothing he can't do on the football field. So he had an outstanding game tonight.

I think he had over 100 yards or close to maybe over 100 yards or like three or four. Three catches. Brandon, you can start to get into the flow of things. He started to look like the Brandon, Iuk of last year, the guy that was, you know, when Deebo got hurt, showed that he could be a number one receiver. Kittle is Kittle, doing an outstanding job of blocking the offensive line was solid again. But I thought they really played well, Ocho, and got back on the winning track.

Considering the last couple of weeks, they let a couple slip away. Yeah, I mean, they played well their first four series. They ended up scoring, obviously, the first one, they let a couple slip away. Yeah. I mean, they, they, they played well their first four series. They ended up scoring obviously the first one, they got seven and three field goals after that. Yeah. The first five positions for the goddamn Seahawks, they got nothing going. Obviously Gino can't really throw those interceptions to give himself a chance to give his team a chance offensively.

Uh, obviously the kickoff, I mean, uh, there was kickoff returned to the second half, right? Yeah. The kickoff returned to the second half, right? Yeah. Yeah. The kickoff returned to the second half, kind of got them in rhythm. And obviously once they got the ball back, that was one of their best drives. They went down and scored again and it was 14 on the answer at that point. And it kind of, it kind of somewhat stalled out, you know, a little bit into the fourth quarter.

But by that time, Gino, Gino had thrown another pick. And that's big doom. Yeah, yeah. That you know, throwing another pick and then they doomed him. Yeah, yeah, that that that doomed him. Obviously, Gino is against the 49ers. He's on five. He's on five and that's including the playoffs. So he doesn't play well against him in order from Gino to be able to beat them and give their team a chance. You just can't turn the ball over. You can't turn the ball over. And some of those possessions that you do have,

you got to get points out of it. You got to get points. I think the first four or five possessions the Seahawks had, they got nothing. They got nothing out of that. And they get a field goal until, until I think a little later, by that time, you know, the, the 49s were, were ahead by 14 or so, but other than that, I mean, it was, it was, it was a D it was a decent game. I would have liked to see the Seahawks play a little better for them to get where they wanna go. There are teams like this,

either the type of team that they need to compete with and the type of team that they need to be. I think, hell, it all starts with the quarterback play. Gino has to play better, I'm sure he knows that. When he watches film, he'll see some of the throws that he missed. Oh yeah, on the third down. That third down that he had, what was that? Was it was it locking was it in Jigba? Jigba on one of the crosses

Lockers should have put that ball in yeah DK DK got it. You got to help me out a little bit. You got you got to help me out a little bit Cross the middle or early in the game on that dig. I mean, just listen, I'm nitpicking. I'm nitpicking, but you got to almost be perfect at every skill position and show up for your quarterback. Because when you're playing a team like this, you got to be perfect.

You damn near got to play perfect football to compete with them. And listen, if you try to get to the playoffs, if you're trying to be serious about winning the Lombardi, it's a game like this where you got to play perfect football to compete with them. And this, if you try to get to the playoffs, if you're trying to be serious about winning Lombardi, it's a game like this where you got to show them. Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, is that when you play, like, what's your ultimate goals? Because if your ultimate goals is not winning the championship,

well, you're not nitpicking. Don't even worry about it. Y'all do what y'all want to do. Everything will be OK. But if your ultimate goal is to win a championship and you lose the game, those are the things that you can go back and focus on and say, OK, guys, we got to make these plays here to play here or there. And that's the difference.

It comes down to guys making plays or not making plays. It's really, you know, look, no matter what the sport is, it's really, it's really not that complicated. What team made the most plays and when did they make said plays? Because all plays aren't created equal. And that's what people get upset at me about the life. Well, the guy played well. I said, well, let me ask you a question.

What role did that interception play late? I think if people got on me about Joe Burr, I said, hold on. All I know is that the Bengals had a lead until he gave he fumbled a football and they got a scoop and score. Right. Well, well, I know well, well, I'm just saying all turn over in the first quarter is not doesn't have the same weight. Oh Joe, as a turnover in the fourth quarter with two minutes left in the game, especially when the game now, if you turn it over in the first quarter, you turn over the fourth

quarter and you up by 17 points with two minutes ago, no harm, no foul. But when you in a one possession game, hell, it can't be nothing but the likelihood early in the game like that. One possession game. Hell, you just started, you just started the first quarter. So the likelihood of you being down 21 nothing to 28 nothing in the first quarter is not very likely. So all turnovers aren't created equal. And so when you look at it, you go back and like, yeah, that third down because that gives me another three to four downs, Ocho, to get the ball closer to the end zone in the end zone or get it to close to field goal range.

And so and you look at I'm like, damn, Gino, I can see if he was under the rest, Ocho, but he shot that like, like his feet over the dude's head. Also, listen, they somebody somebody on offense, I don't know who the office, the coordinator is, even the head coach. You can see God damn both is very destructive. The entire entire game. You got to chip that motherfucker. If anything, slap the goddamn protection. Yeah, you got to. He's disrupting and forcing Gino that he's forcing Gino

to throw fast and he wants to. You know, he got to say at least give him three seconds. He get the ball in his hands and it's two seconds before they can get before they can even get into the goddamn route. Bolson right now. Yeah. But see, the problem is you got Leonard Floyd on the other side. So you slide that one way. So now you got Leonard Floyd working one on one.

So you got to basically. So unless unless you want to chip your way out on both sides and leave your guards inside on the D tackles because you know, their, their, their, their pressure is outside pressure. Cause Hargrove, if I'm not mistaken, I think Hargrove was hurt and he's on IR. So they don't really have anybody that can consistently collapse the pocket from inside and then force you into Bolsa and Leonard Floyd. So basically the pressure is coming from outside and Gino must step up in the pocket. But that's the thing why they went and got Leonard Floyd. And it just goes to show you, Ocho, sometimes a change of venue. People thought Leonard Floyd was a bust in Chicago.

Right. Think about it now. He was a top 10 pick. Really didn't do a whole lot. But everywhere he's been since the Rams, he was big, he Vaughn Miller and Aaron Donald. You see what he did in Buffalo. If I'm not mistaken, I think he had double digit sacks in Buffalo parlay that into a big contract with the 49ers. Sometimes look, you just need to change the scenery or you need somebody that

understands your skillset and can maximize that skillset in your ability and what you do very well. But, uh, I thought the 49ers played really well. The only thing that I had a problem with Ocho is that you can't keep field goals. I mean, you cannot, you cannot, you cannot, you pay the ultimate price. The only thing that saved them tonight is that, uh, uh, Seattle couldn't get anything going early because you keep kicking field goals, two touchdowns. This team's right back in the game. They have, they got right out of lead.

Yeah. So, but give those guys credit. I thought Brock Furti played a really strong game. Three touchdowns, 255, a clean game. That's what you got to have. Last week, it wasn't his finest outing. It wasn't his best effort turning the ball over. And when you're depleted somewhat down on the offensive side of football, look,

yeah, they're running the football, but those guys aren't CMAC. Those guys just, they can't just do what he does, Ocho. Hold on, hold on now. Hold on. George Mason numbers look just as good as CMAC numbers at the same time last year. But see, that- So is it really CMAC or is it the scheme in the, in the offense and then the players that Kyle Shanahan is calling chat.

Y'all stay with me a little bit. Look at C max numbers to week five and look at Jordan Mason's number to week five. I mean, it might be equivalent. It might be a little bit more. I'm not sure what the production is. I might be off by a little bit, but it ain't too far off. So it got me thinking, well, can you, is this a, is this a put an implug or put anybody in type situation that running back and see, I mean, and not Seattle

in San Francisco, cause it seemed like whoever's back there in that system, they get a goddamn done. I give a private example. I'm, I'm, I'm, I know this system very well. You look at all the guys that came after TD. You look at Clint Portis. You look at Mike Anderson. You look at Ruben Drones.

You look at all the guys. Those guys could get yards. TD could run you to a Super Bowl. Right. That's the difference. Those guys can get yards. Krista McCaffrey run you to the NFC Championship game. He can run you to a Super Bowl.

He ain't offensive player. He wasn't offensive player of the year. Now, which one of those guys, they have comparable numbers gonna be offensive player of the year. Cause he had those numbers and 20 touchdowns. You see the difference? Now I can put him in a situation.

But we got, you gotta think now, now we're comparing what he did in a full season and we're looking at a small sample size of what Jordan Mason has been able to do. So I'm trying to say what happened if Jordan Mason has a 16 week season based on his production so far? Yeah. What if it didn't get her?

He left the game with 70 and 93 some yards and he on 14 some carries. But what happened? He played the whole game touchdowns. Christian McCaffrey had touchdown. So you win with scores, not yards. He could do so much more too. I'll try to just run it out the goddamn back. I can throw him the ball.

Yeah. It's hard to set your defense. Well, you're gonna hand it to him or are they gonna throw it to him? Right. The likelihood of them throwing the ball to Jordan Mason on something other than a screen. It might not be his thing.

That ain't happening, Ocho. But give the 49ers credit. They needed this ball game on a short week. green. That might not be his thing. That didn't happen to no Joe, but, uh, give the 49ers credit. They needed this ball game on a short week, a very, very tough loss last week to Arizona. They were up late by double figures late in the fourth quarter, if I'm not mistaken, and they found a way to lose that ball game, give Arizona credit. Um, Kyle and Murray and his team may plays, but they wanted to get that taste out of their mouth. They had lost,

if I'm not mistaken, they had lost to the Rams and they had lost already lost to the, uh, the, uh, the Cardinals. You don't want to lose three. Didn't lose to the ref. They lost to the Rams. So that was two division losses, a third division loss. Oh Joe. So early. Yeah. Yeah. They, they, they'd be behind the eight ball like a motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. They definitely would have been. All right, here we go. It's cam Jordan from New Orleans saints here to tell you it's going Yeah, they definitely would have been behind. All right, here we go. It's Cam Jordan from New Orleans Saints here to tell you it's going down

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just decision to fire coach Robert Sala after just five games. It is a little bit puzzling. It is what it is and everybody has to move forward. It's an honest prerogative to make that decision. And clearly that's what he decided to do. But there are a lot of things that have been kind of confusing. It hasn't been a great situation for the just this year. You can, uh, you can kind of feel that this has been kind of, kind of a chill.

And listen, and what do you Johnson know damn what that one is. He's got damn cold. Come on now. The just the two and three, we all know, listen, they both had a book. Robert Sala had a book and Aaron Rodgers had a book. Neither one of the Muffles was on the same page. We know that. We can see the body language, the mannerisms.

They weren't on the same page. When they did the press conference, talking about the cadence, they weren't on the same page. A quarterback and head coach are always on the same page at all times. They did not get along. Aaron Rodgers needs to take accountability, which he has done for his play.

The jets are two and three right now. The goddamn jets was two and three was Zach Wilson last year at the same time at the week five point. Yeah. Hold on. Stay, stay with me now. I know, I know you want to jump on me by that, but I'm just saying, so, hey, if based off that you might as well stuck with it, you might as well

have stuck with Zach. Aaron Rogers has to play better. The defense is playing well. They're playing okay. I'm not saying they're playing lights out like they were last year, but it is early in the season. I'm sure they're gonna get better as the season goes on. But we need a little bit more of the Aaron Rodgers of old.

Yeah. That's it. We need a little bit more. The mistakes, the interceptions, you can't do it. You killing your team. You killing your team. When has he gotten along with any coaches? When was the last time he got along with coaches? You know what's funny? When I think about it, this is the first time I've seen him outside of Green Bay.

And I'm not sure if him and Matt LaFleur didn't get along. When he, when he went on there and told that, that when let Matt LaFleur kick the field goal on fourth down and he said, Oh, and the, the, the, the, the tie break, the, the, what he had on the sideline, you thought he got along with Matt LaFleur? Yes. He got, I didn't, I didn't see that. I didn't, I didn't remember that. I remember that.

But I saw, I saw Salah try to hug him after throwing a touchdown and him and push him off and give him that look. And I'm like, you know what? Oh damn, oh, oh, he don't, he don't, he don't like him. Oh, he don't, he definitely don't like him. I knew, I knew there was a lack of respect for his coach when he skipped that goddamn, that goddamn mini camp. Oh Joe, why we making a big deal about that? All I know is the people told me that was not a big deal.

It's a big deal because if it's anybody else would have got you got you asked would have got cut. Oh fine. You got cut. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The problem is. Lance your question. Go ahead. What happened if Lamar Jackson had skipped goddamn mini cap?

Mandatory. Mandatory mini cap. Come on now. Stay, stay, stay with me. All right. Come on, Ocho. You know what, boy. Yeah, stay, stay with me. All right. Come on, Ocho. You know what the boy. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just throwing it out there for a little bit of

context. Just a little bit of context. I don't have no context. I've been saying. Oh, oh, you hate that man. You hate that man. When I've been one of his staunchest defenders. And listen, I, his ability to throw the football is unquestioned.

I question some of the things that he does that are not conducive to winning and leadership You cannot have that guy on a mandatory minicamp unless it is an absolute Emergency you going to Egypt. I mean, what are you a dignitary? You trying to bring peace to the Middle East? That's the only reason I will excuse that. What you say is here, what a dignitary? Yes. If he can bring peace to the Middle East, all means go take as much time as you need. Right. Right. Right. But mandatory means that is required.

Volunteer means you volunteer. If you come, if you want to, it's just like when you volunteer to do charity work, you volunteered. Now, if you do something, they will, uh, the just the criminal justice system will demand you do community service. You see how they do that? He's required to do 50 hours, 100 hours community service. Oh, Shannon volunteered at Goodwill.

Shannon volunteered at the homeless mission. You see the difference? But everybody made excuses. See, what y'all fit this one out fast. Y'all make excuses. When O'Shea said, I get it, I get it. Let me take that back, Coach, I'm sorry. It's the messenger.

Y'all ain't got no, it's the messenger that's giving you the message. Because, hey, Coach Belichick, has anybody else said exactly what I've been saying. Nobody would have had a problem with it, but it's because O'Shea said it. And y'all don't like when Shay be right. And I don't want to pat myself on the back. But Mary Porter once told me, said, boy, you got two good hands. You don't need nobody to pat you on the damn back. Pat yourself on the back.

Yeah, I've been trying to tell y'all for the longest. Y'all see what y'all wanna do. Y'all try to see what a lot of times what they're trying to do, Ocho, is that they'll try to undercut you and try to make it about something else. That's what they try to do. But y'all came fool or shake

because I've been in the locker room. I've been a leader in locker rooms. Oh, well, Shana, you ain't in that locker room. And then when it comes out, oh, oh, oh, no, no. But when I said that, it wasn't no problem. It was a problem. Now what's being said everywhere? Yeah.

It's just- And it's always a head coach always needs his quarterback, not just as a leader, but to actually lead by example. He got to buy in because if he don't know, but he's got to be the one to buy in because if the quarterback didn't buy in, then everything else is fragmented. Everything else is fragmented. That's why the quarterback position is so important and him doing all the right

things, because as he goes, everybody else goes the moment it was mandatory minicamp and he didn't show up. Robert Sala had no more authority. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. It was what he had. He had little to begin with. Yeah, because it is that and think about what they did to get him.

They're flying back and forth from from New York to California They're courting they're basically begging this man to come and save us So Aaron already knows he's going in with a lot of power just like Tom. That's why Tom was able to go get drunk That's why he was able to go get an eight Antonio Brown And the funny thing about it, we talk about two different mindsets. Yes, we had two, two, two totally different mindsets. One is totally team and the other is all about self. Bingo. One is about team and the other is all about self. You look at Payton.

Tom, Tom was there with one goal in mind. Yes. I'm getting me another one. Yes. I'm getting me another one. And bought all the way in. he was that mandatory, voluntary. Matter of fact, he was there when he wanted to be there. Yeah. Peyton Matt, Tom Brady. You remember he went to it.

Bless you. You remember he. You don't want to come. You don't want to come. You. OK, don't worry about it. Oh, Lord. How bird. Oh, Joe, you're supposed to do it. And now you want to. When I see you want me to death you up. Now, now I don't.

I don't. I don't. I don't have I got a fist bump. You know, I'm just like, you know, right. That's what we are right now. That's what we are right now. We don't know where. Let me get the hand sanitizer. What about bag? Let me get it.

You got some hands and you're Jordan. Well, I'm not sure I got. Oh, Joe, I know you. But what I see you. Oh, Joe, no real real real game. You call. I'm going to put got oh Joe. I know you but what I see you not oh, Joe good. No real real get real gave me a cold I'm gonna put somebody on your hand then we will damp up first. I'm gonna carry a little bottle with it when I see you All right, I got you. I got you. But if you think about it, oh Joe when Tom Brady Tom Brady We went to the Buccaneers. Yes, sir. You remember he got thrown out the park

For throwing the ball to a train with the receivers. That's man wanted. This man wanted to be so ingratiated with his teammates. So lot stepping barrel. He's doing we can't go to the facility, but we don't go into the park. But they say, no, you can't gather even in the park. When Peyton Manning signed with the Broncos, let's see

when it comes to Peyton Manning and the Broncos, they ain't telling what somebody tell you. I'm telling what I know. I'm telling what I know. This like when I say certain things about the Broncos. Oh, oh, it's a we down in Nashville, I guess. Who had that open? Oh, my bad. Well, open it back up.

Well, but you see the difference, but you see the different mindsets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom Brady and the other the other guy. You see, you see the mindset. But see what happens is, is that the more accomplished someone is, people are willing to forgive behavior because of the accomplishment. See, a guy that's not accomplished, he can't miss. Well, nobody should be able to miss. That's why they record.

That's why they call it mandatory. And then they made excuses for at first they made excuses. And then when they got out, it reported that he didn't have an excused absence. Then it came out. And then that's when he started like, you know, they just slapped something on the end of it. No, bro. Everybody know what mandatory is when you get to, when you go to OTA, you see that thing.

Okay. We got volunteer, volunteer. And the last one is mandatory. It's always been like that. It's probably always going to be like that. But yeah, who's surprised by this? I just want to know. Jazz fans, but you look, I get it.

Jazz, when you struggle, y'all hadn't won a championship since the fucking, oh, excuse me, since the late sixties, early seventies. So I get it. You're starving. You're you have an unquenchable thirst to be and be a champion again. I get that. And so y'all are willing to accept negative behavior. You'll make a deal with the devil.

Oh Joe, when it comes to, do I worry about what the payment, what he's asking for later, I just want to deal. So I don't, I don't care. Whatever it is. I'm doing this deal with the devil, whatever he's asking for later. I'm willing to do it. If I get what I want in the, in the meantime, and then when it comes down to what I got to pay, what I have to pay that debt off with, oh, well, I worry about that then.

But who's surprised that the jets are in this situation? I just want to know what rational, same individual is surprised to just so where they are. You know what? The one thing I can say is even though things aren't good right now. They are two and three. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, if they are to get out this hole because the AFC is up for grabs on the AFC is up for grand No, it that division is up for grab. Oh, you know what I mean I'm gonna say the AFC is

We don't know Josh Allen. Obviously, they have a stumble up. Patriots, we ain't even talking about them. Patriots, we not, man, now they starting Drake Mate. I don't know why they throwing that rookie out into the woods. I told you what was going to happen. I told you what was going to happen. Ocho, Ocho, you not going to win no game, throw up at 130 yards. You right.

Hey, what the hell? You put the rookie in there thinking he's going to do better? He can't do worse. You got a left tackle and a right tackle that can't even block no God damn body. So what you think going to happen to him? With Drake Mate, he's going to do better. He's going to do better. He's going to do better. He's going to do better. He's going to do there thinking he's going to do better. He can't do worse.

You got a left tackle and the right tackle that can't block no God damn body. So what you think going to happen? What Drake may is more athletic than your Kobe Brissette. Okay. Okay. Okay. We use that. But this is the thing about the Jess, if you are a Jess fan, this is what I can say about Dan Rogers, even though he looked pitiful, even though he looked

abysmal the last game, he's the type of player that can, that can catch fire. That can catch fire and look completely different than what he, than what he looked last, last week, completely different. So I'm, I'm worried about him, but I'm not worried about him at the same time because I know what he can do. The New York interim head coach, Jeff Ulbricht, who announced that they're shifting Todd Downing to offensive play caller strip roll from Nathaniel Hackett in Downing's last stand of OC in Tennessee Titans in 2022. He was fired after the Tennessee Titans finished

30th overall in offense and 28th in points scored. Now how do you people getting jogged? What did he finish? What number did he finish? 30th in overall offense and 28th in points. And he's supposed to be taking over for the New York Jets? He just had a whole game offensively last week? Right. Oh, okay. I mean, make it make sense. Well, first of all, Nathaniel Hackett got a job and he had never called plays for Green Bay.

He got a job because his boy was Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers led the Broncos, led the Broncos to believe that if they signed, and what you call them at the head coach, he'd be willing to come to the Broncos. Everybody saw Nathaniel Hackett's painting on full display. Right. packets. Painting on full display. Right now, they now owners say they want somebody that's called plays. He got a job at a franchise having never called plays. OK, when he got an opportunity to call plays, he was good and terrible.

He goes, hold on, hold on. No joke. Get the job with the jazz because why don't you, they won't say one said individual to come play for them. Right now. Now after now you tell me the job you will get as an officer coordinator after they saw you call plays in Denver and you were awful. You wouldn't even what the elephant left on the showground and everybody knows defensive coordinator after they saw you call plays in Denver and you were awful. You want to know what the elephant left on the showground and everybody know what elephant left on the showground. Yeah. Well, we know how you got the job, though. You know, who asked for that?

I mean, that's why. And also Aaron Rodgers to get on to get on to get on that magnify and say, I don't have the power people think I have. Man, who you fooling, man? Who you talking to? You the fool you the dumb dumb that actually believe that. Jet fans and Aaron Rodgers supporters that actually believe that.

Come on, man. I don't think people understand how much power he does actually have. I mean, what scenario, you look at the scenario of going on a goddamn trip. We supposed to be at mandatory mini camp that lets you know who holds all the goddamn cards. They told me everything I need to know about him because Peyton Manning,

Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady would have never done that. It told me everything I needed to know about him. I don't need nobody to tell me about him. See, I see better than I hear. I hear what he says about winning is the most important thing. Like my grandfather, you tell my brother and I, y'all told me, y'all told me y'all going to take that trash out. I still see it sitting over in the corner. See, I see better than I hear.

I hear what you're saying, but I know what I see. So am I supposed to believe my lying eyes or my listening ears? Right. Told me everything I needed to know about him. Hold on, I gotta use that. Am I supposed to be my line? I know I'm not supposed to believe my lying eyes or my listening ears. But that's the way to show all he had to do. All he had to do was just show a great shape yourself. He and Gary Wilson are still really not on the same page, Joe Joe.

No, they're not still not. Hold on, did Gary Wilson win the office of rookie of the year? How does man win office offensive rookie of the year? How does man win offensive rookie of the year with Zach Wilson, Mike White? Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers, even at this age and as bad as he's played, is 10, 15 times the players they were ever going to be. Yeah. That's just who is going to be. Yeah. That is who's going to the ball, Joe Flacco might have been thrown in the ball.

Yeah, I mean, one thing Joe Flacco could do is throw it now. You got to protect him, you got to protect him because you know, the state will throw that thing. Oh, yeah, he ain't moving nowhere. Mm hmm. Going nowhere. Yeah. But because remember, hold on, on Wednesday, Aaron Rogers,

emphatically denied playing a part in Robert Sala's dismissal from the jazz. During his weekly Pat McAfee show appearance, he said, as far as any of the ridiculous allegations out there, I'm not gonna spend more than a sentence in response to it. And that's that. I resent any of those accusations because they are partly false.

It's interesting the amount of power that people think I have, which I don't. I love Robert. I love my ex when I'm with him. But guess what, Ocho? I ain't with him. I love him. You know what I wish?

I wish people that were sources always stated who they were. Then you wouldn't get no information. I know. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I wish when it came to players, I wish they were dishonest. Yeah, I wish they were PC. I wish when it came to quarterbacks and they gave interviews, I wish they really said what

they really felt. I wish they really said what they were really thinking I wish they really said what they were really thinking All players of PC. I really hate that and I think it would be so much better The NFL will be so much more authentic and real if people just even coaches Even I wish they just said exactly how they feel about certain players. No, they don't You remember how they asked them did you want to say anything to the team? You said, no, they got me fired. Yeah. Hey, hey, I see it all the time.

Players get coaches fired. Yes. Yes. On Thursday, oh, on Thursday, when asked about the firing and the demotion of offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett, Rogers took the blame. He said, I play better and this doesn't happen. Hold on. Oh, Joe. This is not my first time saying it, but I went on first take on Tuesday and said,

two of the most worst days of my life is when Dan Reeves, who drafted me, but forgot to cut me and Wade Phillips lost their job because normally when you, when, when a head coach you get fired and you have an interim head coach, Ocho, guess what happened? The staff gone. So it's just not one job. What's the likelihood you think those jets, what's the likelihood of anybody that's on the jets are returning next year, Ocho?

Not happening. Oh, who said? And that's what bothered me, Ocho, because I was like, damn, had I became, and I'm not a quarterback, I'm a tight end, this is the way I think. Right. Had I became the player that I later became and ended up going into the Hall of Fame, maybe I could have saved their jobs. Maybe I could have saved their jobs. Maybe I could have. It bothered me.

It still does. Right. I taught my position coach in 1993 with Les Stuckel. He lives here in Nashville. He called me today. Call me sweetheart. He knows all my kids birthday. He'll always, hey, tell Kayla happy birthday.

Tell Kiara, tell the kids happy birthday. He remembers all of that. Right. And he was. I invited him to the hall. Anytime I had something going on, I would always invite him. Man, I made the Pro Bowls. I took him and his wife, flew in first class, put them up. All my position coaches, even when I wasn't there,

even when I went to the Pro Bowl in Baltimore, every position coach that I coached me, I brought him to the pro bowl, them and their wife, put them up. It bothered me, Ocho, because I play a role in that coach getting fired. I wasn't doing what I was supposed to do. Right. And I wish more players understood that it's like, Oh, that's part of, okay. But you don't think it's part of the, you don't just think it's part of business when your ass get cut.

You don't think it's part of the, Oh man, they did your boy dirty, blah, blah, blah. Nah, nah, nah, it's a part of the game. It's a part of business when your ass get cut. You don't think it's part of the game. Oh man, they did your boy dirty, blah, blah, blah. Nah, nah, nah. It's a part of the game. It's a part of the game. If it's part of the game, it's a part of the game. Right. But I just, I just, he said, I played better. Rogers has completed 61% of his passes, 1,093 yards, seven touchdowns, the

fourth exception is QBR 49.1 ranks 21st in the NFL, the Giants offensively are ranked 27th in yards per game, 286, 23rd in points per game, 18.6 through the first five games of the season. It's just, bro, I'm like, I just wish he got it. But you know what? Here's the problem that he has.

He's so arrogant, he's so pompous, he's so cavalier that he believes that if you're not Peyton Manning, if you're not Tom Brady or you're not someone of the up team order, you don't have, you should not have an opinion on how he plays. You shouldn't have an opinion on his leadership because he feels that you're beneath him because you didn't play this position. So how, how dare you critique me? I don't believe it is my belief and I could be on an island by myself.

Then no one is beyond reproach. Mm hmm. They're not. They're not at all. At all. And, you know, I don't ever talk about nobody, but man, man, it's like, it got, it got to be said. If you've got me talking and saying what it is and what needs to be done, it needs to be fixed and chastising it. You know something wrong.

For sure. Everybody knows. But for the, but, but a lot of people, because you want to have a relationship with say a player. If I see a player, I want to run over that and doubt me of a bad. Hey, you want a you want to drink blah, blah, blah. This is my good. No, I think I owe it to him to say what I see. Right. I have no I don't have to have.

I've seen a lot of players that I critique and they pretend like they don't see me. Yep. And I pretend like I don't see them too. We both pretended. Well, what happened? They want to beat you up. Oh, I ain't worried about that. I already worry about that. I don't care myself in that way.

Oh Joe, they know I got a job to do. It ain't nothing personal. I'm talking about Joe play on the field. I go by my, I go by my bit. Nah, nah, it ain't no beating. Well, let me know. I'm enforcing. If anybody, listen, throughout this year,

we only in week five now, we got a long way to go. Now, if anybody like feeling a little frog and they want to leap, I could be enforcing. No, you got to worry about James Harris. You take care of James Harris. Sal's garden says it's not. Take care of who? James.

Who's that? Debo. Yeah, OK. Sog's gardener says it's not solid spot on team struggles. It's the teams. If I'm being honest, we're doing it for him now. So I think you might be I think the defense might be. I think the other side.

I don't know. But anyway, gardener also said solid change my life, which is why we we we text the coach I appreciate you every year on his birthday Yeah, I mean that's dope. I like soft for speaking out But sauce will understand quick. I think it's early for him. I think sauce is only a second year, right third Third you understand the nature of this business, you know, it gets dirty. It gets grimy This is not the first coach that's going to leave Third, he'll understand the nature of this business. You know, it gets dirty, it gets grimy. This is not the first coach that's going to leave,

you know, while he's playing for a team. And he'll understand that. What soft things to understand, the problem is on the other side of the ball. It is. Because if you look at the Jets defense, statistically in almost every category, they within the top five.

Yeah. I know it's still early in the season. They are two and three, but the Jets defense is in the top five. Yeah. I know it's still early in the season. They are two and three, but the just defense is in the top five in almost every statistical category. The problem is the offense. And I know sauce is the teammate. You don't want to say anything

throw your teammate under the bus, but we are saying for you, your quarterback needs to play better. It's really simple. He just needs to play better because they said that the jets are quite good. Your quarterback needs to play better. It's really simple. He just needs to play better because every day said that the Jets are quarterback away from being a serious threat in the AFC, being a contender, the quarterback hasn't played well.

It's OK to acknowledge that and say, you know what? They play well. Or, you know, hey, but we know that it's not like we're breaking news. Oh, Joe, we got to take our ticker just made his debut. So everybody's in the chat. You obviously the ticker scrolling along down the bottom, you know, we know. Hold on. Let me get a chat. Let me look at the chat. Hold on. Hold on.

I don't see it. It's on the video, Joe. Oh, but we got a tickle. What? Yeah. We got a tickle. Yes, we do. Oh, Joe. Oh, but we oh, but we big time. What? Yeah. Big time. You got to take a piss.

We got to tickle. Yeah, you know what I'm going to be. Yeah, that's that's us. That's what I see. Arizona, Green Bay, 1 p.m. East Eastern Tennessee. I'm going to be out. That's Arizona. Green Bay 1 PM. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's what we do. You know what I'm saying? Don't you? Hey, you

know, we've been coming down. You know, it's going to take it's going to take a but you know, we're going to get it right. We're going to make sure we're going to have the best. Oh yeah. I like best. Oh, yeah, I like that. I like that I like that. I like that Yeah

so, uh, oh Joe Russell Wilson is awesome optimistic about potentially playing on Sunday for the first time during the 2024th season There we go. Let's go confident that I'd be ready to play and ready to play at a high level I think we're being really smart, too, and trying to understand how it feels. It's my first week really back with the guys, and I feel really confident about that. Mike Tomlin said earlier in the week that there are multiple variables. He's weighed the decision throughout the week of practice. But the door is a jar, which means a jar, which means slightly open.

Wilson to be active on Sunday. You know, you always want me to lose it. You use the word in the sentence. Russ, I played a lot of football games and there've been a lot of moments. I don't fear them getting ready to go back and rock and roll. Yeah, I like it. I like Russ getting the opportunity to play.

I know Justin Fields has played somewhat good this year. They started three and oh, they lost the last two, but offensively it's not like they've been this awesome juggernaut of an offense that's top three in the NFL. Putting up outstanding, crazy numbers where a change at the quarterback position would really affect the Steelers. Right. Again, I like Russell Wilson, my personal preference, even though I'm not a stealer fan for that offense based on his resume, his last year endeavor was not that bad. Chad, if you look at the stats, you look at his numbers, his last year endeavor, it wasn't that bad.

It was good. It was decent. Maybe not the Russ that led the goddamn Seahawk to the Super Bowl, but if we can get a Russell Vald, anywhere near the Russell Vald, where you don't turn the ball over and you just do what we ask of you and not put the ball in the hands of the other team, they will be just fine. They will be just fine. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what-

And get George Pickens a goddamn ball. Okay, well, since you go there, speaking for the first time since Sunday night lost to the to see what George Pickens a goddamn ball. Uh, okay. Well, since you, since you go there speaking for the first time since Sunday night lost to the Cowboys, George Pickens just missed questions about his explicit message on his eye black in the post game incident with George Lewis. What does he say? What does he say? What does he say? Pickens wore eye black that read open Fing always for the game.

And after the game ended, failed hook and lateral attempt picking jank down Lewis by his face mask as Lewis ran by him and appeared to say something. Pickens said he was unaware of the policy. Never seen it before. He said, have you seen it before? Yes. When it was pointed out that Cameron Hayward had been fined in 2015 for writing on his late father's name when his eye black picking was dismissive years ago, he said when I wasn't in the league. So now and ask what happened with Lewis after the game pick.

It said nothing. Hey, it wasn't a little big deal. You know, Lewis went by, you know, talk to the trash. Oh, he snatched him out real quick by the face mask. Now, sometimes people, you know, like, they like to step on your toe because they know you really can't do none. So I ain't do nothing, you know, too, too bad to him. Just stop playing with me, man. But I, you know, I didn't know that either.

You heard that the black thing, what you mean is that I would do. But the curse word, I never knew that is much cursing me going on out there, But when we play you, I know that. Yeah, you can. You can curse, but you can't display it. Yeah. Hey, he spelled it all the way out or was it. I didn't get a chance to see it.

Sometimes. Lord have mercy. Sometimes I wanted these kids. I like, bro, y'all graduated high school and went to college. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, you know, the NFL ain't letting you write nothing on no, no, I blacked. They don't let you write no thing. No, nothing. Oh, no. Normally, normally, you know, it's funny. Now that you not, not that I think about it. How the hell if I did something or I was dressed, my dress code was inappropriate.

You know, the NFL office will call down and tell me even in game They will come to me on the sideline tell me to change it Remember this remember the long stream of tiles y'all used to wear college. Mm-hmm I would wear stream of tile not the NFL issue towel. I had a long towel. I cut I cut the towel Yeah, you got to be regular. You got to be about this low that time Yeah Yeah, you got to be regular. You got to be about this low. That's how you feel about that. Oh, you can't have that way down in my knee. Yeah. Whether remember when I used to put on the black tin strap or the orange.

Yes. Yeah. Manic. It had to be white. And man, go man. Tell Ocho man, take that off. So I'm surprised that you didn't even let him play the whole game with them. I black.

Yeah. Oh, well, yeah, I think you're right. You're right. I think the thing is Ocho is that when you look at it, is that you would think a person would be smart enough not to use an explicit. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. I mean, come on, bro.

I understand. I mean, they find Cam for writing a message about his dad when his dad passed. So they find him. You think they're gonna let you write something explicit? Oh, speaking of speaking of fines. that fast so they find him. You think they're going to let you write something explicit? Oh, speaking of speaking of fines, John Kittner, when he was my quarterback in 2003, no, maybe 2002 before Carson got there, Kittner, super duper religious, super duper had on the hat in the media.

All they had was a cross on the front. Oh, they fight. They find it. Oh, it's way back. 2002. They found John Kittner. Not when you do it. Hold on. First of all, any media that's NFL event. It better be NFL approved.

We're the one that got that got that done away with because at the Super Bowl, we were EAS products that wasn't EAS. So we was getting, think about everybody had those hats. They paid, they paid our team lots and lots of money to wear our t-shirts, hats, so forth and so on. And then a couple of years later, Brian Erlacher did it. They ended up finding Erlacher like a hundred thousand, couple hundred thousand dollars

because he was, yeah, he had something that wasn't NFL sanction. So anything that's NFL, like you had a you had a press conference, Ocho, you had, you know, you were in the locker room. That's NFL. That's the NFL turf. It better have Gatorade. You better have Nike. It better have something that the NFL is getting some money out of. Because if it's not. You better not put that on. Right. You better not something that the NFL is getting some money out of cuz if it's not You better not put that on

Right, you better not put that on now You can have a state farm because state farm is the official sponsor or something That's a that's NFL is get got a bucket got a handy in but I'm not surprised. I'm surprised that uh The George Pickens didn't know first of all. Yeah, if you didn't know, bro, you think they're going to let you out, they finding guys for doing the remember they made you cut out the throat slash they made you cut out a bus. You used to do six shooters. They made you cut out anything that people might construe as being violent.

And you thought that, you know what? I know I couldn't write no explicit on my eye black. Hey, listen, you know what? It might be an honest mistake knowing George. He don't pay the rules, no man. OK, let me ask you a question. Were you like what sporting event that you that you play or you are a participant in that you could write an explicit, explicit language on something?

And it's going to be OK. You think you can write that on your wristband? In the NBA? Yeah. What about your batting glove and baseball? You know what? I might be able to put some tape on my tennis racket and say F all y'all. Really? Come on, Ocho Daffy. You know you can't write nothing like that.

And he gonna put F in? Hey. Bro. They just like giving away their money, but okay. The kid is different, man. All right, here we go. It's Cam Jordan from the New Orleans Saints. Here to tell you it's going down.

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What's going on? And I'm like, why are you doing this? Like, why? Listen to Deep Cover George Santos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Carrie champion in this is season 4 of naked sports where we live at the intersection of sports and culture up first I explore the making of a rivalry Caitlin Clark versus Angel

Reese. I know a lot of history people are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game every great player needs a foil. I ain't really in here with no foil, I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros,

Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is braggadocious. She is unapologetically black. I love her. What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two

supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. Listen to the making of a rivalry, Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Ezekiel Elliott has only amassed 14 touches over the past three weeks. Eight fewer than Rico Doudel. Dido, Dido, Dido, Rico Dido. Per Clarence Hill, Elliot is apparently dumbfounded by the lack of opportunity

and has spoken to coaches regarding his role. Zeke has rushed for a career low 3.3 yards per carat, 98 yards on 30 carats. He also has just six passes for 36 yards. Dido, the team's number one running back at this junction has been the most effective. He's rushed for 221 yards on 54 carries and called 11 paths of 401. My only thing is Zeke, what did they tell you upon your return?

Did they tell you if you come in on a return, you should understand that. Your production isn't going to be like it was when you first got there. And you're definitely not going to be the number one based on your return. You know that already. They don't have to tell you anything. I guess they do understand the business, understand how the game works. I can't think of too many running back, especially at that position that went from one team.

Went somewhere else and came back and was expected to be the main guy. Still expected to get the same amount of opportunities and carries to be able to be productive. That's not the way it works. That's going to go with the younger and fresher legs. Oh, and put you in sparingly. Do you remember what he was doing when he went last year in Dallas? There's a reason why they let him go. He will hurt. He had that big ass knee brace on.

Ocho. And guess what, yes. And guess what, Ocho? He had that big ass knee brace. He's two years older. Yeah. Oh, hey, listen. His last year in God damn New England

wasn't that bad, now. No, it wasn't bad when it come from touchdowns. Oh yeah. What was Zeke's numbers in New England? I don't think every four yards of carry, Ocho, he might have. As you look at it up right quick. Yeah, man, I think it was like, I mean, he will get you some tough yardage now.

Oh, yeah, 31 to fourth and one. He could be combined. He fall in for. He fall in with every time. Yeah 184 carries 642 yards 3.5 yards a carry right now. He's 3.3 Yeah, so what what am I missing, Ocho? I need you to like you to run it. I know what I know what he missing. He missed more opportunities to get that bitch from a goddamn three point

five to a six. Oh, Joe, that's what he missed. I have to do look at his numbers. They deal every year. Yards have come down every year, Ocho, in that position. That's not a position that you deal every year. Yards have come down every year. Oh, Joe, in that position. That's not a position that you dip every year. And then all of a sudden you springboard back up. It's just not how it works in that position.

He has more carries on that look those legs. He has more hits on that body. Yeah, you're right. It is what it is. It's been it's OK. But like I said, I need to hear I need to know what was promised to him. OK, Zeke, you're going to be the guy like you once were. You're going to be our bail cow back. You're going to be our first.

You know, you're going to get the lion's share of the snaps. You're going to get the lion's share of the care. I need to know what was promised to him, Ocho, then I can better assess because I'm looking at it and I'm not. I'm this is what I thought he would be. Well, yeah, I think the fact that I don't even think they promised anything on they bring you back and telling you what your role is going to be. You're going you're coming back.

You really don't have any leverage because you're not that guy right now. And, you know, you can't come in there and be like and force the issue. Hey I think I need more carries, I need more opportunities. You know I think the more opportunities he get, the better they might be off with him offensively. The numbers wouldn't prove. I think that 3.5 would go from a 3.5 to a 6 if you get more opportunities the less you give them the worse the numbers gonna look. But yo he's not that anymore Ocho his yards precarious have come down every year. I'm not saying he's not young Zeke I'm not saying he Ohio State Zeke you know with the stomach out with the abs on I'm not saying you know I'm not saying he is yeah but you know I mean yeah out with the abs on I'm not saying you know, I'm not saying it is yeah

But you know, I mean, I mean, yeah, he used to have abs now. I got a pony keg now He don't have that stuff. You don't have that shirt rolled up. No more do we oh Joe Oh Shoot, I mean oh Joe the yards per carry the average the total yards have come down every year Joe he's he's not what he once was. And a lot of times we're the last one to see what we've actually become. Right because we've been great and I oh Joe and I eyes. Sometimes it's hard for you to see because. You only see the reflection. And what you used to be. That's it.

That's it. You're going right there, boy. That's it, Ocho. I ain't even gonna write that down, but that's a good one. Yeah, Ocho. What you used to be. Yeah. Well, I used to be that boy. I was. I used to be that I was that guy,

Oh Joe, when I was younger, I'm reminiscing right now. Man, I take a time of swinging boot, oh Joe. I was swinging to hang the boot on the tree and swing it from 15 yards away. I could pee in it. Now I pee on my hand. I just said, oh, I'll keep it real with you, Joe. I just trying to. I got to keep a towel on the floor. I hit it at night.

I hit a toilet. Yeah, I keep a towel on the floor. I think I should go. I just said, oh, I have to go. You have to accept. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, you have to accept. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard.

It is, Ocho. Sometimes it's hard. Cause right now, you know how it be. I think I can do it. I think I can do every guy. Yes. Even at 56. I go in the gym sometimes and I put that weight on there.

I was like, man, I'm like, I'm gonna do, man, let me take this. Man, I put that weight on there. I was like man. I'm like I'm a dude Man, let me take this 35 Can't do it. Yes But I was doing them dumbbells. I enjoyed I said Jordan. I'm gonna get a dumbbell right here, man I hear like three I think Jordan probably about a month Jordan. I'd be about eight or ten of these thing Right, man, man. It's been two months. I walk by and look at him. Man, I'm not finna hurt myself. I know. Right. I did that.

I'm OK not doing it anymore. Now I'm a rep special. I used to put all that heavy weight on there and do two, three, four reps. Now, 10 to 12, them, 10 to 12. Like, you don't know, forget it. Get on the bottom of that. No, no. Something to stimulate the muscle.

I stimulate. I don't know. Nali, I know the other thing, but you don't say it. Oh, but that that would that be that would be. Yeah. You know, the muscle, I stimulate. Right. The who are I'm not like, you know, sir, the muscle, I stimulate. Right. The hoo-ha, I'm not late. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Right, right. Yeah, you could.

That's a good one. Ocho, there's a viral video of Dak destroying his Texas mansion so he can build a new one. Dak spoke today on how he doesn't appreciate the coverage around his home renovation project that drew national attention. We can't show that can we? We can't show it though, Joe, because we don't want to get no copyright. So I'm sure, I'm sure everybody else saw it. Yeah. But that definitely has to understand, you know, you're the quarterback of the

Dallas Cowboys, someone is recording and someone's recording anything that you're doing is going viral,, it's going viral. But it's going viral. I get it. And that's okay. You know what you're gonna get. You've got to understand what comes with the territory. Dak, you know that.

You know that. I can't wait to see it. Invite me over. I'll bring you a gift. Nice little house warming gift. I think that, you know what I think it is, Ocho? I think the thing is that when we normally, we see people like that, man, they got so much money.

They tear the house down. They got, man, that's a million dollar home that they tear down to build on top of it. And so it kind of puts that like, cause you know when the first thing happens, Ocho, you go buy a car, man, you know how many people starving in the world and Ocho buying a $200,000 car.

Right. So if I didn't buy the car, how many people starving in the world and also buying a $200,000 car, right? So if I didn't buy the car, how many people in the world would be started by the body of car that same 200,000? People all people always have ideas of what you should do with your money. No money. Yeah. Oh, okay I'm like, come on people just because somebody wants to get some enjoyment out of their lives. And you're not in a position where you can financially or go buy a car or go take a vacation or do X, Y, and Z. That don't mean you should try to poo poo on somebody else because they can.

And that's the first thing. Somebody gave him, somebody gave a million dollars. That's all? He gave a million more than you, you didn't give up. Somebody gave a million dollars. That's all he gave a million more than you. You didn't give 10. Man, if I know you wouldn't know you wouldn't everybody always talk about if I had this, this is what I would do. No, you don't.

It would know you know they wouldn't. Of course not. But it's easy to say it's easy to say what you would do. When you don't got it. When you when you don't have to be put to the test to show? Yeah, man, if I had that man, I would do X, Y, Z. Bro, you get your income tax check and it's gone before you even see it. So when you do get a little money, you're not doing what you say you're going to do.

That's what you did. That's what bothers me. People are going to problem with that. That says I like the area that I live people. I ain't got no problem with that. That says I like the area that I live in. I like where I am. You know what? I'm gonna tear this down instead of going and trying to pay, you know what?

Another three, four million dollars just for a plot of land. I could just tear this house down. That was probably 700,000. I got a big enough plot of land. I'll build right on top of this. And listen, what you got to understand too, is it not as expensive as we may think. We talk about Dallas,

we talk about Houston. I don't care. Do you understand how inexpensive, how much bang for your buck you get in Dallas for a house? Yes. Oh Joe. You said how much bang for your buck you get for something here in Miami let's say a house on star island right now man please start island that costs 28 30 million you can get something like that in Dallas or Houston for five yes huge I'm like what what? Man, what the oh, Joe, you know why don't bother me? Because what that doing?

Don't none of that come out my pocket. Yeah. Yeah, I remember. And I'm sure you can attest to this when you were younger and didn't have no money and you heard what somebody paid for a car or somebody paid for jeans or watch, you're like, man, I would never do that. And when you got some money, you could guess what? You were the guy that said you would never be man. Ain't no way in hell I play 200,000 a car.

They go get me for point A to point B. Yeah. Maybe a watch that tell the time. Yep. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I don't get, I don't get mad at what people do with their money I get mad if somebody squandered somebody else's money, right? That's what I get your money. Oh Joe, whatever you do with the 50-11 jobs and checks if old Joe say you know what?

I'm a cash all these checks and I'm gonna burn this money. I Won't thank you a damn fool, but'm a burn this money. I'm gonna thank you a day on food, but that's all your money. He made it. Right. I don't get mad at people for doing with their money or choose the lifestyle that they live. They got nothing to do with me.

Right. I ain't losing no sleep. I don't lose sleep. I don't sleep well anyway, but I don't lose sleep about anything. Cause guess what? I ain't worried. I ain't trying to keep up with the Joneses cause see you're trying to keep up with the Joneses, the Joneses, the Joneses are sleeping good cause they know how

they're going to pay for that. You done got all this ish and you don't know how to pay for it. And you, Oh, have mercy. I show hope this happens. I show hope that happens. Nah. And you know, you know, a scary on too. What's that?

When you think about it, especially in this economy or just in general When there are people that are trying to keep up with the Jones's That don't make the Jones's money or don't have the revenue coming in like the Jones No, those visuals scare me because they will do anything Anything yeah To be able to keep up and maintain a lifestyle that they know they can't afford. Yes. That scares me.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Someone that is willing to do anything. Yeah. When it comes to women, when it comes to women, I mean, obviously, you know, my situation is just saying in general, women that want to look a certain way. Yeah. Knowing you don't make that kind of money. Impossible.

There's only one way to get it. And you're willing to go to any length to make sure you maintain and be able to portray that lifestyle. How you look? That's scary. How you look? Could I help forget? How you look at those jobs? That's scary. How you look? Could I help forget?

Hey, how do you look at that? I got a couple of dollars over. Hey, he was swapping those. Yeah, I know you're wrong. I'm which I'm which mean you're right. I'm just saying that that scared me. Yeah, but you know, just just the thought of it. You go, you you do anything.

She did. She you're you're you're across me. Just be able to, you go, you do anything. You're across me. Just be able to, you know. Oh yeah. Man. You're right. I stay from around that, boy. Yeah, yeah, I've just, that's how I am, Ocho. I live with it, my means, I got what I got.

Man, that's all you, man, you don't wear nothing. Man, if I was, I'm comfortable in this. Yeah. Y'all want somebody to comfortable in this. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all want y'all want somebody to be dressed in three piece suit. Y'all want somebody to be LB down. Oh, I'm at the gas station. LV, LV who? LV down. You know, it's OK.

Every blue moon. Yes. Every blue moon is OK. You know, to treat yourself. It's OK. But every goddamn time you step out of the you and you and you in high fashion high Looking like the goddamn mannequin. Yeah, come on. Yeah But it's the women like that old joke. They can't go out the house. Let's they got on makeup got everything to the night. I like We go into a rest. We go into a restaurant where the most expensive thing on the menu at $45.

Yeah. And you got to dress like that? Yeah. Oh yeah. What you wearing? Oh, you gonna get dressed? You looking at what I'm wearing. That's it.

Hey. Ta-da. What? This is all I got for you. And the food going to taste the same. Right. The volume. Hey there. It's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, 1974. George Foreman was champion of the world. Ali was smart and he was handsome. The story behind The Rumble in the Jungle is like a Hollywood movie. But that is only half the story. There's also James Brown, Bill Withers, BB King, Miriam Makeba. All the biggest black artists on the planet, together in Africa.

It was a big deal. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, everyone. It's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the homestretch, right in time for a new season of my podcast, Next Question. I'm bringing in some FOKs, friends of Katie's,

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Katie Couric, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion and this is season four of Naked Sports Up First. I explore the making of a rivalry. Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game.

Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeart radio apps, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. I'm Maria Konnikova.

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