Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Notre Dame wins Orange Bowl, Tyreek Hill backpedals, can Brady rebuild Raiders?

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame taking down James Franklin and Penn State with a late field goal in the College Football Playoff Semifinal to advance to the National Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Tyreek Hill's agent saying the Miami WR is “committed” to Dolphins despite his postgame comments,  Unc and Ocho debate if Tom Brady can rebuild the Las Vegas Raiders back to their glory days.  and much more!03:13 - Show start03:52 - Intro06:40 - Penn State vs Notre Dame26:35 - Tyreek Hill40:10 - NFL Sportsmanship Memo49:40 - Raiders fire GM(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Maybe they hoped for it a little earlier, but they got it in the semifinals. Hopefully we can get another one of these tomorrow night with Texas and Ohio State. We'll talk about that a little later, Ocho. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, your favorite uncle.

As you watch Notre Dame take down Penn State 27 24 with a late field goal with about 10 seconds left in the ball game and they win the ball game. The guy right there is Liberty city legend. Bingo's ring of fame on a read the pro bowl of the all pro that's Chad Ocho Senko Johnson. Please make sure, make sure you guys hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Every subscriber counts. We thank you guys for the support that you've given us in 23, 24 and into 25.

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The link is pinned at the top of the chat. It's February 6th in New Orleans at the Mahalia Jackson Theater. Be there, you don't want to miss it. We've got some big guests lined up and it's going to be very entertaining like an all of our live show are. I got a question. Yes.

I hate to be that one, you know, but I just want to know, can I get, can we get a guest? Can we get one guest name? Can we get some? Can we get like a hint? Like when movies are coming out, movies always have a trailer and trailers are purposely to attract the viewing audience to want to go watch the movie. So can we get a hint on a guest, you know, for me, for, for. Oh, Joe will be there. Oh, you know, yeah. I hope so.

You know what? I'll give you one guess. You know who's going to be. We got a special guest. Who that? You going to announce something? Who that? Who that? Oh, hell.

Oh, hell, ah. Oh, come on. Oh, yeah, who that? Oh hell. Oh hell, ah. Oh, come on. Oh yeah. Oh hell, real. Come on, man. Come on, I don't know. I got, listen, we might have to go over a little paperwork before we do all that, Nike.

What you mean paperwork? We gotta do a little paperwork, because. Thank God. No, no, today wins the orange bowl and advances to the national title game, uh, Mitch Jetter, uh, kicked a 41 yard field goal in the orange bowl. And the final seconds to give Notre Dame a 27, 24 victory over Penn State. And they will face the winner of the Texas Ohio state game. Oh Joe, look, this game turned out to be very exciting. Yeah. Considering the limitations of the Texas Ohio State game. Oh, Joe, look, this game turned out to be very exciting.

Yeah. Considering the limitations of the quarterback. Yes. Me personally, and this is not to try to disparage anyone, but I think both quarter marks are limited. Yeah. Both quarterbacks have limitations that limit what we. But because both court, it wasn't like one quarterback was better than the other.

Right. And we got a lopsided because both of them was limited. We got a hell of a ball game. Bingo. Because of that, listen, the game ended the way people, if you, if you travel, if you paid the amount of money you paid to come all the way to Miami, to the, to the hard rock stadium, to watch Notre Dame versus Penn State, you got your money's worth, you got your money's worth.

And I know Penn State fans might be upset that they're going home, but the way the game came out and the, the, the announcer's jinx, the announcer's jinx, the, the pick, oh my goodness, the announcer's jinx, the quarterback for Penn State towards the end of the game. Cause when the first thing they said, soon as they got the ball back was he doesn't turn the ball over much and he hasn't all season long. And what you think the first goddamn thing he does when he goes back to those. Pick interception.

Soon as they essentially happened, I said, you know what? That's it right there. No game just has to make a few plays, get a few yards, get in field goal range for is it miss Jeter is that, is that, is that a name? This Jeter. I mean, you know, like, like Carmelita Jeter spells her name the same way, but it says Jeter. He said Jeter, like Derek Jeter. She says Jeter. So we'll go with Jeter. Let's go with whatever. What did they say? What did I? I can't hear the sound. So what did they say?

I can't remember. I remember the Miss part. I remember the missed part. But I know one thing. I don't know if he's married. I don't know if he has a girlfriend. But boy, look here. After making a game when it feels like that, take your school to the national championship for anything you want. Anything you want in South Bend where you never got to pay ever. Oh yeah, he good. He good. You don't have to pay for a thing again. And mind you,, mind you, the Notre Dame kicking game was one of the worst in the, is it FBS? Yes. Yeah, they weren't that great at it. You know, despite the record. But congratulations to Notre Dame. Congratulations. What's our, oh God, is this one more person. Matter of fact, congratulations to Ryan Clark. Marcus,, oh, I thought you go say, uh, Marcus Freeman, Marcus Freeman as well. Ryan Clark's son also playing for no day. And congratulations to him as well.

I'm excited, but I could tell you, I could tell you who they're going to have to play already. I could tell you that right now. Mm hmm. Ohio. Oh, I'll stay. Yeah, absolutely. Listen, as great as yours is, as great as Texas is,

as good as that Texas defense is, they ain't finna be able to do nothing to boys in Ohio State. Well, we know when Ohio State plays, if everybody plays their best, Ohio State's the best team. Absolutely. But it doesn't matter. Are you going to play your best when it matters? Right. Because we saw them lose to Michigan on their home field when they were a three touchdown favorite. So anything can happen. Ocho, look, and this is why I tell people this. Uh, Riley Leonard turned the ball over twice. Aller turned the ball over once. Which turnover was more costly the one the one That that's what I be trying to tell y'all when y'all look at stats. Oh he threw for five touchdowns

Oh, he threw 400 yards, but he had a turnover late in the ball game All right, you see the difference in the cost you see the difference Yeah, one guy had to the other guy had one But the guy that turned the ball over one time, his turnover was more costly than the guy that turned it over twice. And so that's why you watch the ball game and look at the ball game. I'm watching it and I tweeted earlier. I said, bro, whoo, these quarterbacks leave a lot to be desired.

I mean, they just sailing the ball. I'm like, damn. I'm like, whoo. But I thought Notre Dame got away from the run game early in the first half. They got away from the run game, Mocho. But if you see the way they started the second half, run, run, run, pass, run, run, touchdown. Let's get back to what we do. Listen, bro, y'all ain't got KM Ward.

Y'all don't have Shidora Sanders. Those guys are not just drop back, throw the ball all over the field. They're not capable of that. And Aller, whoo, Lord, have mercy. He talking about, well, I'm coming back to school. You should. As a matter of fact, you should ask,

can you come back for two more years? And after next year, file for a medical reassurance so you can come back again. Because boy, whoo, Ocho. I mean, they ran the ball 42 times for 204 yards. Great, great. You can live, hey, I can live with that. Almost five yards of carry.

On any day, on any day. Whoo, whee. But, and I'm, look, Ocho, look, it was a situation I wish these guys could have met up for the national championship. So that way we was assured, it was kind of I wish these guys could have met up for the national championship. Also, that way we would assure, kind of like Tony Dungey and Lovey Smith, when they met in the Super Bowl that one way, we were going to get a black coach, the first black coach of the Super Bowl champ.

We were going to get that one way or another. I look at Marcus Freeman. Marcus Freeman looks like a guy that I would enjoy playing for. Yeah. He looks like, obviously he knows what the hell he's doing, but he has that passion. I see the passion in which he coached with when his guys do something good. And even when they make a mistake,

he's not by a brow beating him, he's not in their face. It's a teachable moment for him. He strikes me as a guy that I would really love to play for. Not that I say I wouldn't love to play for Dre and Franklin, but he's a little bit more calm, a little bit more stoic, but I love the passion in which Marcus Freeman coaches with. Marcus Freeman is the kind of coach that would resonate with the players a lot.

You can tell they can relate to him, the passion, the aura, the energy that he has, the energy that he coaches with. He reminds me of a very, very young Pete Carroll. If you ever watch Pete Carroll on the sidelines, the way he interacts, and he's energetic with the players as well. There are a few coaches that are like that in the NFL and at the collegiate level,

but he's one of those that the players will love. And you know what? If you have to play for him, he's the type of coach he'll run through a wall for. Like that's exactly what you got tonight. And I think that's one of the reasons why Notre Dame are in the national championship because it all starts not only from the top, but it starts from the

coach first, it starts from the coach first and it trickles into your players, your coaching staff and everybody else. So God damn congratulations to Notre Dame. It was, they haven't, they haven't won a national championship. What, since the fifties? No, 88. 88? Oh, matter of fact, 88 was with um...

Blue Holes. Tony Rice. Yeah, yeah. But the goddamn, ah, that option, boy, huh? Yeah. Oh, man. But it was a great ball game. No today, no today.

You know what I like the best is that, you know, and I'm gonna, somebody, Brian Kelly, is about to catch us straight because he always does this. He always gets his team there and he leaves in the middle. He did it to Cincinnati. He took the Notre Dame job. He did Notre Dame. He ended up taking the LSU job.

I would like to see him win it just for that fact. Ah, Brian Kelly, he did something that you couldn't do. Yeah. Yeah. That's I'm pretty, I'm pretty like that old joke, but I like Marcus Freeman. He got the job. Uh, I think the, uh, the president, I don't think they have, I don't know if they have an athletic director, but I think there's the president, Jack Swarbrick.

Uh, Hey, this is our guy. Right. This is our guy. It wasn't all that old Hollywood Lou. Make the man, this is our guy. Right. This is our guy. It wasn't all that old Hollywood, make the man jump through who he loved, what he saw. He saw him on campus every day. He reinstituted where the guys, they go to mass before they go to the game or show. And when they leave mass, they go directly to a stadium. You know who cut it out.

I don't call his name, Brian Kelly. He cut it out. But Marcus Freeman reinstituted it. You know who cut it out. I go call his name. Brian Kelly. He cut it out. But Marcus Freeman reinstituted it and they have masks on the road and so forth and so on. But I really like Marcus Freeman. I've never met the man but I've just watched him on the sideline. I watch his mannerism. I was like yeah. 18 year old Shionna Sharp could definitely go play for him. Yeah absolutely. I love the passion. I love him. What he played, what he stands for

and how his players really, really, really, really like him. And it's like I said, it's not that I don't like James Franklin because I like James Franklin. Had he not, I just hate the situation. I would have liked to see these guys in the national championship game, but unfortunately it worked out the way it did. Penn State had a really good season,

but that quarterback is gonna have to get exponentially better if they're gonna get all the way to the top. If they want to go all the way, because your quarterback is gonna have to make plays on Joe. It just has to. And you see, Riley Leonard made a couple throws late in the ball game. Yeah. Allen didn't make enough. Listen, it all comes down to his decision-making, Coach. That's all that's all to come down to. And he should have had two interceptions.

They call that PI. That ball was so woefully under thrown, no Joe in the end going, he thought his name was Pete. Yeah, but also lying. I also, he, he, he. No, I ain't talking about that one. They called a PI on that one. I'm talking about when he was trying to hit his tight end,

number 44, and it was under thrown, that dude intercepted it. And they called, they called PI on that. Yeah, well, he threw three interceptions, but that was cause he, he held it. Yeah. And even on that long run, but, uh, this was a good game. I don't know. I didn't, I did not expect this game to be this good looking at the quarterback

play and the limited, how limited it was. Um, but I was in the game. I was like, bro, you see all that inside pressure, run a bubble screen. Yeah. Cause you got one-on-one, you get a block. All you want to do is get in field goal that inside pressure, run a bubble screen. Cause you got one on one, you get a block, all you want to do is get in field goal range. But you hit this bubble screen on Joe, you miss a tackle, you to the house.

Yeah, you know, I was saying it looked like Notre Dame almost didn't have an answer for the pressure that Penn State was putting on at the end of the game. They didn't, because the thing is, I mean, they was getting, he was fooling them. They thought they was going to come with pressure. They come with a four man rush to get home. Yeah, they was getting, he was fooling them. They thought they was gonna come with pressure. They come with a four man rush and get home. Yeah, that was about to say the same thing.

They get home with a three man rush. They can use him. They got the backers, the backers in the goddamn A gap, like they coming, but they not coming. So I don't, they made it a little bit more difficult than it should be. What we, they call it mugging. Yeah. They put, they walk the guys up in the middle

and you think inside pressure's coming, but they bring edge pressure. It's still for men, but you think those two coming, they're not coming, they're bailing out and the two outside guys. But Leonard doesn't really have any feel. I'm like, bro, you don't feel the guy inside and you step right up and go, and Abdul Carter. So I'm like, bro, you don't feel the guy inside and you step right up and go and Abdul Carter, I'm like, bro, you got to be able to feel that.

The really good ones, they feel it. Listen, Abdul Carter, man, listen, boy, young boy is going to be special, boy. It's something about the- Well, if you wear that number, you wear that number, you got to be special. Well, listen, it's something about the deepest ends that come out of the state that wear the number 11, special. He's special. He's special. He showed me show the party.

I'm mad that his plane wasn't warranted with a W behind it, but he will be nice. He go. Yeah. Now he's going to have to work on a counter move. Cause right now all he got is the underarm rip. Yeah. You notice what he do under arm rip every time. Under arm rip.

Now he's going to have to work on a counter. Go with the bull. Go with the FAA. Come, come, come. He don't want to do white printing. Hey, he's gonna have to work on the counter. Go with the bull, go with the FA. Hit him with the Dwight Prentice, and hit him with the Dwight Prentice. Get that inside shoulder spin and get to him. But he's young and we gotta go ahead. He gotta have multiple things that he can do.

Obviously, playing the deepest end position, I'm not the deepest end, but I understand there are a multitude of things you can do coming off the edge. You can set him outside and bring him back in, you can set him inside and bring him back out. You can set them inside and bring them back out. You can brush, you can rip inside, you can spin, you can come out, you can come low and spin all.

And you can swap that. Listen, there's so many things you can do. You can have in your art. But they say he's hurt. Oh, they say he's dealing with some injury because if you look at it, when he came, the one driver that came in the second half, he missed a lot of the plays and he went right down the field.

And when he was on the field, cause he was hell. His first step, oh, he could jump out the ball. And that's what those guys, you look at Barr, Barr wore number 11. You look at Michael Parsons, he wore number 11. Those guys really get up to, hey, their first step. And that's what you need to have that initial quickness to get to the edge. And then once you

get to edge and he can bend. That's what you got to have. You got to have that pliability guys that can bend. You look at a Vaughn Miller, you look at a Derek Thomas, you look at a TJ Y, you look at Michael Parsons, you look guys, even miles Gary at his side. Yeah. Can be in a Brucey go back in the studies. I mean, Brucey damn to be parallel to the ground at 280 pounds. Oh man. Strong as hell now.

Yeah. But I like the kid. He's gonna be, he's gonna be a high draft. He ain't getting outside of top 10. Hmm. He might not get out of top five, honestly. He might not. He might not get out of top five.

It all depends on who's drafting in that spot. Do somebody fall in love with him and move up. Right, right, right. And go grab him, huh? Yeah, but you know, teams, all things been equal. You want the quarterback. Yeah, yeah. You want that guy.

Well, hold on. Because that's the guy that's gonna touch it every time. Yeah. You want that guy. That's the guy that's going to touch it every time. That's the guy that's going to produce your points. It's only two of them now. True. It's only two of them. It ain't that many to go around, especially in this draft of quality that you can look at franchise quarterbacks.

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They keep them. I'm talking about six, five, six, I don't even care. Yeah, listen, listen. They keep them. When you think about university, I mean, tight end university as opposed to the moniker that LSU has garnered. Why receive it? Is either Iowa or Notre Dame. A Notre Dame. Yep.

Yep. Iowa, Notre Dame is something about them in producing tight ends that always fair with the next level. They get them core fanboys that used to working on the farm. Uh huh. They don't care enough about the coal. They, hey, but I like them. I like the, I like the tight end for Pia Stang.

He got great hands, got great kit, got great runnability, he got decent hips. And that's what I look for. When I look at a tight end, I'm looking at his hips. Can he drip his hips? Can he drop his hips? If he can drop his hip, he can play. He can move, that way he's fluid.

And all the tight ends, you look at him. Most of them are big now and they're, look, obviously they're not going to be able to drop this hip like I could because they'll I play wide receiver. And I was only 228 pounds. Well, talk, talk, drop their hips. They can drop their hips well enough at 245, 250. Those guys are huge, man. They look at it. I mean, I'm looking at these dudes.

I'm like, what the hell? Right. But they can move. You look at Hawkins. You look at Kittle. You look at me. I'm looking at these dudes. I'm like, what the hell? Right. But they can move. You look at Hawkinson, you look at Kittle, you look at Kelsey, you look at McBride, you look at LaPorta, you look at Ingram. All these guys, big guys, 6'3", 6'4", 6'5", 2'45", 2'55", 2'60", can run, can drop their hips. How big is Brock Bowers? Brock Bowers, probably about 6'3", 6'4, about 245, 250. So all of them big like that? All of them, yes, yes.

Oh, I'm the last of a dime breed. You're not going to see more tiny heads like Kevin Sharpe. 6'2, 228 pounds clear that position. Right. Bro, you got to think about it. DK Metcalf bigger than me. Julio was bigger than me. T.O. was bigger. I'll say it bro.

Hey so I got a question. At two fives I'm gonna call you a hybrid. I'm gonna call you an outside and outside. What did you do on running plays? How did they hide you? Oh most of the time I was backside. Okay okay okay okay okay. Well that gives it away for the defense every time. So if they know you backside, they know the play coming from. Well, see, that's what I want you to do. See, I want you to be worried about trying to get a chip on me to keep me from getting out on the pen. Because back then, a lot of times,

if you played a seven, you played a nine or a seven, you know, hey, give him a chuck before he get off. We don't want him to free release to eat up our linebacker, eat up our safety. Well, you thinking about that, now I done got inside and cut you off. Now T.D. hit the hole. Okay, I see.

I see. Oh, my job, see, my job wasn't to dominate and push you way five yards down the scrimmage. Right. All I needed to do was get T.D. to the line of scrimmage. Right. That's it. My job was complete.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. My job was complete. Now, don't, hey, don't let the side fool you now. I done tied a lot of up with the Paxi. Woof, woof. God dang it. Hey! Oh, Joe, hey! Now don't a don't let the size fool you now. I don't have a lot of up with a patch Yeah, but uh, this was a good game mojo Allah was 12 or 23 for 139 the one score Notre Dame was dealing with the flu. I think they had an outbreak of the flu over the last couple of days that

permeated the locker room, but they were over, they were able to overcome that. Congratulations to the fighting Irish 14 and one, one went away from doing something they haven't done this. He a 30 seven years. done this eight thirty seven years. When the national championship Penn State great season finished 13 and three, one went away from advancing to the national championship game, but it was not to be the night belong to the Irish of Notre Dame. Congratulations, Marcus Freeman and the man at Notre Dame as you move on 2724

with a victory over Penn State. Oh Joe Tyreek Hills agent. You're out. Hey, that was my age too. Huh? Okay. So the wide receivers committed to the Dolphins despite post game comments. Tyreek reportedly met with Dolphins general manager Chris Greer and head coach Mike McDaniel

Earlier this week and Rosen House believes his client remains faithful to the club Excuse me. I think at the end of the day, he's committed to this Dolphins football team He had an excellent meeting with Chris Greer and Mike McDaniel I believe that Tyreek is a great asset to the Dolphins and I think he's He's the least guy that the people should be worried about this for this organization. They have many more worries. Tyreek Hill is not one of them. Right. All I know, he mentioned this about the broken wrist and all that. All I know is

this. They asked Tyreek to go in to get, if we are to believe what Mike McDaniel said, he asked Tyreek to go in the game in the fourth quarter. They said Tyreek said he was unavailable. It was brought to Mike McDaniel, isn't it? It's not a new injury. Now, he said he had a broke wrist, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine.

But at the end, at the thing, if you started the game with that, you can't leave him high and dry. There was a sound, wasn't there a sound that Waddle asked, Reek, are you okay? And what did Tyreek say? Yeah. Yeah.

It ain't a good look, Ocho. Yeah, Yeah. It ain't a good look on Joe. Yeah. Yeah. There's no different. And I said this before, there's no different than what AB did in that very stadium. There's no different than what Campbell did for the 49ers. And then, and then to exacerbate, to make matters worse, this man put a change in his profile, put his face on AB and we're supposed to say like, oh, there's nothing wrong.

Now, I mean, listen, there's something wrong. There's something wrong. Listen, where there's smoke, there's fire. Always, no matter what you're on the house says, you know, no matter, and listen, cheetah said to everybody, what he wanted to say, there were frustrations. What led to that, not going back into the game,

we would never know the true answer. We'll never know the answer. Listen, I can sit back. I can sit here and call him and be like, Hey bro, what happened? What really happened? Why didn't you go back into the game? What was wrong? Were you tired of getting cardio? Were you tired of the fact that they weren't able to get to the ball? You know, are you upset that, you know, the season, what isn't what it should have been for you? Obviously with two injuries early in the season and then not having the time, the adequate time or getting the opportunity needed once he came back in the game to get your numbers where they should be for the type of player that you are.

Listen, Reid, if you see this, I mean, it's cheetah. Justin Jefferson had a good season this year. Jamar Chase had a phenomenal, obviously Triple Crown winner this year. Tyreek is still the best receiver at NFL. I don't want people to forget that. I don't want you to forgive. Now I know what we see is what have you done for me lately? Obviously there are reasons why this season didn't go

the way it did this year. There's reasons why, we understand that. But Cheetah is still the most dangerous receiver in today's NFL. I don't want people in the chat to ever forget that because of the down. Let's not, let's not, let's not. I believe he's the most dangerous but I believe as far as total receiver, I think Chase and Jefferson is faster. Listen, there's more than one way to skin a cat, right?

Yes, yes, absolutely. But listen, Chase is scary. You're talking about Catfish though, right? You? You talking about Skilla Catfish, right? Yes, sir, yes, sir. Okay, okay, I want to kill you. I don't want Peter to come in here and try to shut us down, I tell you. Oh, my bad. Hey, what I'm just saying, from an instance

of who you don't want to face, who you don't want to touch the ball and have any kind of crease or any kind of angle, hey listen, you might want the Fat Lady, might want to start singing. That will always be terribly, I don't want people to lose sight the ball and have any kind of crease or any kind of angle. And listen, you might with the fat lady might well start singing that will always be Terry. I don't want people to lose sight of how great Terry Hill is because of a down season.

I don't know what his frustrations were. I would love to be- Is it money? I mean, cause I don't know if he, does he have any more guaranteed money on that contract? That's the fact, Ocho, because Ocho, you can't complain. You went for the money. And in nobody's mind did they ever think

that tour was better than my home. Now you got the money, you secured your family. Now, if you blint through 72 million guaranteed, probably made like $90 million over the last four years, 100 million over through 72 million guaranteed, it'll probably about, probably made like 90 million dollars over the last four years, 100 million over the last four years. If you blow through that, hey, I don't know what to tell you, Ocho. Nah.

But you cannot complain. Oh, I wanna win, really? You left the, over the last five years, who's won more games than the Kansas City Chiefs, Ocho? If it's about winning, oh, man, you know, I ain't used to this. You don't play. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Now we have to understand why he left the Chiefs.

Now based on what, based on who Tyreek was and when he was bringing to the table, they weren't paying him what he was worth. So I understand why he left to go to the Dolphins. You know, you went to the Dolphins and not only that, he didn't miss a goddamn beat in any category as a receiver. He didn't miss a beat. Remember what Tyree did, he did just last year. Yeah.

He has no 17 yard. Yeah. The only reason things weren't the same this year is because of the injury to tour, you know, there's a reason why there's a reason why quarterbacks, and when you have a backup, there's a reason why the back of the backup. There's a reason. Yeah. But you gotta be the same no matter what.

You got to show up with your hard hat and your lunch pail regardless. Because now it seems like Tyreke's a front runner. When things are going good, he's there. Now, why we didn't, hold on, why we didn't hear nothing about no broker risk all year long? Let me ask you this, Ochoa. No, no, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Remember there were a few games where he was on the injury list due to his wrist. You know, he could have gotten surgery, but it was messed up. But he kept playing. He just had to take the real heavy. Let me ask you a question. If Tyree makes the Pro Bowl and he gets 1,400 yards, do we hear anything about this wrist? Yes or no? No, sir. So why are we hearing about it now?

Because we did. See, Drew is trying to get him a cop out. That wrist, his leg wasn't broken. No, no. I mean, let's- He copped out. Look, Ochobet, you know how I am, Ochobet. Yeah, I know how you are. I know how you are. But what I'm not going to do is I'm not going to make excuses. I'm not going to do that. But I'm just saying. Thank you, I appreciate that, oh Joe.

He did have a wrist injury. They boarded up a few times earlier in the season. I don't know if he landed wrong and did something. I think he needed surgery, but he opted out of getting surgery and decided just to tape it up very, very heavy and continue playing. That's all. That's all. Well damn, I mean it looked like if you look at the first game he had. That game winning touchdown did he call. Remember that? What about the 100 yard game that he had? I couldn't tell. Could you tell his wrist was hurting? He looked like

Cheetah. All I'm saying is guys look, we've both been there. I've been there. You know, Hey, John goes down and Hey, who was y'all back up? Just lay. I don't mean it to be disrespectful. Who was y'all back up? My first two years it was Kubiak Gary Kubiak. My back.

Yeah. Hey, Gary, hey, cool. Come here. Cool. Come here to feed your boy. Hell, cool would feed me more than seven would. Hey, cool. Come in. Cool. Come in and feed your boy. Hell, cool. We feed him more than seven would. Hey, cool. Come in.

That's a green. Let's go get this money. Right. Let's go get it. Yeah. And then we had Tommy Maddox and Sean Moore. Tommy Maddox from Steelers. Yeah.

Bubby. Yeah. No, Hugh Miller. He was in New England. Bubby was our backup in in 98. Bubby was our backup in 98. Bubby, Bubby Brista? Bubby Brista, yeah. Really?

Yeah. That's dope, man. Yeah. But yeah, it's tough. Look, I understand it is tough playing with the backup. It is. Yeah, man. It absolutely is.

Yes. In 2000, I mean, we had, who was that? Tony Banks was our starter. Trent was our backup. Oh shoot. Tony Banks from the Ravens? Yeah. He was originally with the San Francisco, with two of the Rams.

Right. He's with the Rams out of Michigan State, second round draft pick with the Ravens. Had a good season. They gave him some money. 2000, he was our starter. Trent, they signed Trent as a free agent to be a backup. Trent came in there, hey, the thing was Trent's like,

hey, you get open, I'm gonna give you the rock. Well, that's all I needed to hear. Hell, I was open a lot of times and didn't get the rock. You tell them I'm gonna get open, I'm gonna get open. But it is tough, Ocho, but at the end of the day, you gotta be professional. No matter what the circumstances are, and look, it is tough, Ocho, but at the end of the day, you gotta be professional. No matter what the circumstances are. And look, think about it, Ocho.

When you catch for 1,800 yards like Tyreek had last year, there are a lot of mofos out there getting cardio when they feeding the ball to Reek. And a whole lot of balls to go around when you let somebody catch that many balls for that many yards. And you got waddle. So you know the third and the fourth, you out of gas, Ojo.

When you got those two and they're going for 200 catches and 3,500 yards, 3,000, 3,500 yards, Ojo, how many balls you think you're going to get? Well, obviously you got to remember now, you know, wherever the money at, that's where the ball goes. Yes. Come on, Ang, you know, we pay you a hefty salary, obviously, so the ball is going to be funneled to the money, to the high man, to the high point.

That mean that that's just- See what you're saying? And so what's the expectation of you, the high man? Oh. You show up to work and be professional all the time. No matter what. The more you make, is the more the guys that they expect you to show up. Yeah. Yeah. But now, that's all. Listen, and you got to remember, what do you expect from the

high man? What does the high man expect from you? Well, I expect even if my quarterback goes down and I have the backup, I still expect you to funnel that ball in front of that offense through me. I tried to tell you, you the one that talk about, oh man, hey, Huntley, who Hunt Oh, I said, oh Joe. Oh, don't talk about don't talk about soup like that. I Talked about it, but I'm just saying he about you just said he's a backup for a reason with the backup cover You just say no, I'm not I wouldn't I didn't say any names I'm saying specifically across the league get 32 teams and there's a daughter The starters are started for the reason for a reason in the is the backup. Sam Darnow was a backup. Oh, but listen, sometimes...

I'm kidding. If you put a backup in the right circumstance like that, you could put, hey listen, you could put Mother Teresa on the Vikings with Addison, Naylor, and goddamn Justin Jefferson, and they gonna get it. Yeah. Yeah, and you still got Hawkinson. Hawkinson,, and they gonna get it. Yeah. Yeah.

And you still got Hawkinson. Hawkinson. Oh, you gonna get it done. Now, that's- Yeah. Now, certain circumstances, you know, circumstance matters. Now we talk about back- Yes, absolutely, absolutely.

But I just, look, look, I'm not saying that there wasn't anything wrong with Tariq, but I just believe you must maintain a certain level of professionalism things are going well In the fourth quarter you can't off that bro. You got oh Joe there been a lot of times Oh Joe we getting our eyes beat out and I'm like man. Why we in here man? We can't come back ain't no ain't no 20 ain't no 21 point touchdown with six minutes to go Hey, but a ain't no ain't no faking no injury.

And get no aid. You know, a my hand, my elbow, my shoulder. Ain't none of that. Hey, I was out there from the beginning when we were sucking. I will ride it all the way to the end. We will suck all the way through the fourth quarter. We will suck together. I can't leave him out there like that. I can't. I can't. You're right.

But we'll see what happens. What they are. What they are decide what's going to happen with Tyree. I think Tyree wants to go. I think Tyree wants to move. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, you can't depend on you can't depend. I don't know. But I don't know what he was thinking. Oh Joe, you have a guy that has an injury history, an injury history. As a player, you're not thinking about that. You sitting on the outside. Shouldn't you? You on the outside looking in as a part of the media now and seeing it from a different lens,

seeing it from a different perspective. Tariq is not looking at that. I'm looking at what I was able to do with Tua last year. So what am I doing? I'm expecting to build on what I did last year and continue that same tradition, that momentum, going into the following season. And it started off like that. And then it goes down. But, but Ocho, the man got injured before you got there. The man was injured before

you got there. The man came into the, think about it Ocho, the man came into the thing about the old Joe, the man came into the lead with a repaired hip. He lived into the NFL. There's a great chance he don't end up limping out of it. You leave limping to the season. You got to see it like that. I'm just saying no choke. I just be real. Chad, I ain't paying y'all no attention. That's the way we talk. though, Choke. I'm just being real.

Chad, I ain't paying y'all no attention. That's the way we talk. Yeah, we suck. We were sucking as a team. We were terrible. So I'll let y'all play them childish games. We suck. I wasn't gonna leave my teammates out there.

We started sucking in the first quarter. We gonna suck the second, third. We gonna all be sucking together. That's the end of that. Oh, Choke, check this out. The NFL sends a memo to teams about sportsmanship before the playoffs. Perry Fuel, the league's SVP of officiated administration, sent a memo to head coaches and general managers of teams in the postseason to reiterate the importance of sportsmanship in the game in the coming weeks. At this level of competition, emotions will run high,

but no amount of emotion should give away to demeaning and offensive words, taunting, and other non-football acts. No one wants a penalty or player ejection to determine the outcome of the game. Man, forget that NFL memo, man. Forget what they talking about. Listen, all teams, all players,

I know y'all are gonna see this. You gonna see this. Have fun, enjoy the game. The chances of- Don't y'all listen to Ocho. Hey, man. Ocho will cost y'all to get a penalty. Let me finish.

You ain't even let me finish. Go ahead. You ain't even let me finish yet. Enjoy the game, enjoy the moments. Have fun, listen to the memo. Don't do anything that can cost your team a penalty. What you say? Have fun.

Huh? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. What? How many times they done sent the memo to let them know, stop pulling your shirt up like you got a gun? So how many times you think they done sent that memo out, Ocho? Hey, somebody pulled the shirt up like they got a gun? You saw, man, you saw what you call a receipt. You saw Xavier do that against Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's right

That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right No, but I'm just saying despite the memo listen, don't take the fun away from the game, you know The competitive nature of the game. That's why I just said have fun Don't do anything to get yourself a penalty or get your team penalized outside of that I understand understand any is all about control, you know, the integrity of the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always about integrity until the NFL finds a way to benefit from certain things and make money. But anyway.

Well, they were benefiting from those hard hits and then they got sued, it cost them a billion dollars. So they ain't gonna do, let you do the hard hits, Mojo. Come on, talk to me. Yeah, I get it. Let the elephant out of the room. Matter of fact, they're in front of the door. That's the thing. Look, I get it.

And there are a lot of times, man, do you know how many times we done said the N word? You can't say the N word now. Man, they, hold on, hold on now. Hold on. Oh, they're throwing flags. They can see that. You throw on flags for that. Well, it's gonna- They are. Man, if you throw a flag, you see that. If you throw a flag for that, well, it's not. They are.

Well, wait, listen, they've been instructed to throw a flag when you say, boy, I, we done said the N word and the moat and curse so much. Matter of fact, it is frowned upon, it's frowned upon, but it's a part of regular language and dialogue in the way we interact and talk. Yeah. It's normal. It's, it's, it's normal, you know? So I'm confused with, with, with, with their, with their thinking of throwing a flag and, and just the way of the culture in general and how we converse. Sometimes argue, sometimes talk trash to each other.

It's our culture. That you can't change. But guess what, Ocho? When you get on linear television, you can't say that. It's our culture to say it, but you can't say it. So the NFL is saying, look, when you're on this field, you say that word. Oh, man. But you, hey, I'm a big look. I've said it a thousand times. I done said mofo. I said F-er. I done said all that. Right. Man, who you calling the mofo? I ain't gonna be true to mofo. I said, well, you that one. I don't need you to be anymore, but said all that. Man, who you calling the mofo? I ain't gonna be true to the mofo. I said, well, you that one.

I don't need you to be anymore, but you that one. But it was different. But back then they would headhunt you. If somebody felt that you disrespected them, they would headhunt you. Oh, they coming to get you? Oh yeah, for sure. Coming to get you.

You might not get it with your you. You mind not come play. You know, you don't, hey, you stayed on your PQ. Oh Joe. Yeah. Last year, the league issued a total of 419-5 for the regular season and postseason. Through week 17 this year, they've already issued 484. That's a 1.17% increase. Now we ain't even got to the playoffs.

We got wild card, division, championship, and the Subo. So we still got four more weeks. You already know this thing might be 550. Yeah. This thing might be 550, might be close to 600, don't you? Listen, there's certain things you can't take out of the game. You can have as many memos as you want to. You can talk until you're red in the goddamn face.

The game of football is played a certain way. There's certain things you can't take out of it. You're already taking the physicality out of the game. Now you're trying to take the culture and the way and the style in which 80% of the certain types of players are in there, the way they play it. There's only so much you can do. Right. There's only so much you can do. Yeah, look, some punis gonna happen. As an offensive lineman, you talk, if you get beat,

tackling. Don't let that man hit your quarterback. Don't let that man hit your quarterback. Don't let that man hit your quarterback. A, D, B, if you're B, A, don't you give up no touchdown. May I? OK, if it's a spot, if it's a spot file, it's a spot file. We might get a we might get a fumble, but we can't recover. Hey, they don't get a touchdown. If you just give up. No, P.I. And I'm just I'm just being honest with you. Yeah, I'm not going to get a touchdown if you just give up. No, P.I. And I'm just being honest with you.

Yeah. I'm not going to listen. I'm not going to if you if I get beat clean. Yeah. You're not going to hit my quarterback. I'm going to tackle you. Right. I know they're going to throw a flag, but I'm OK with that. Right. Because guess what you didn't do? Hit my quarterback in the back and he fumbled a ball. Right. That's not going to happen.

So you just have to understand certain penalties. You just got to accept a good job, son. That's the way to not let him hit. That's the way to not let our quarterback get hit. Right. Some things are gonna happen, you know, but you know, don't jump offside. It's the offside like it's third and three and they hard counter you jump. Lord have mercy.

And boy if if if brains with dynamite you couldn't even blow your nose. I mean sometimes I bro what what are you thinking? Yeah. But I was a I was a notorious. Oh I bet I got more far star credit than any tiny. Really? Well I was getting out of there. Oh, Joe I'm getting up out of the I'm getting up out of there and it was never the block right you best believe oh

The pants they show up. Thank you. I'm ready with the pair And I was about to be out the gate on you. Oh, yeah for sure Because I ain't waiting to the tub. I Hear her I'm going Hey, hey, don't you say hey alert, but I'm gone right what you say that for Thank you we got those we got no check ain't got no check on that play right there, let's go But uh, look you aren't you look like I said guys understand just don't do anything. Let's go. But look, you look like I said, guys, understand, just don't do anything that's going to cost you tea. That's the last thing you want. And, you know, that one play.

But I guarantee you, Penn State probably thinking, yeah, that interception at that that play might have been cost us the game, but it damn sure didn't help at all. It didn't help. I'm not going to say it cost us the game, but it damn sure didn't help us win the game. Mm-hmm. So, guys, just be smart. I know you want to celebrate all your homeboys, your family. They might be in the stands. They might be watching back home. That's my homie, blah, blah, blah.

But, bro, don't you do anything that's going to cost your team. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. That's why the first thing I say, y'all, was y'all got to have fun, man. You know, these moments, they don't happen often, the chance of making the playoffs, unless you're with a certain type of team that you know always goes in there. Enjoy the moment, man. Have fun.

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With the decision making. Right. Bless you. Thank you. Man come on man, come on. I did, I said I'd chew. Hey God, oh damn. My hand is over my mouth. I Did I say I chew? My hand is over my mouth I said I I sneezing

Damn I'm gonna come with my bike. Damn. Man, y'all see that man? Sneezing and he covered his mouth. Oh, I ain't no way I'm going up in that. Hey, I- Germs just be hanging out on the wall. Oh, dude. I'm confused. No can do.

I sneeze and I cover my mouth as I sneeze. No, you didn't. Hey, Chad, he didn't cover his mouth, did he? I said I chew. Man, that's right. Hey Chad, he ain't covered his mouth, did he? I said I chewed. Man that's the way. Hey CHEW! No, no, no. I said what day y'all? Here you go.

Chad, y'all heard the chat. Y'all saw him, didn't he? Yeah, the chat saw me covering my mouth. Nah! Listen, it's- Man, wipe your camera lens off, man. It's a- I see Chew all over the camera. Nah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

Guy got the air on him. This is 40 degrees outside and then I got the AC on in the house by accident. Whew. Man, Ocho. Yeah. I mean, even when you're in private, you could like cover, you know, like.

I just did, I squeezed into my hand. Oh no. Man, then you Then you go down people you quickly down everybody else. Oh no. See how now I don't even that you like told me I have a treat you like cold. That's about the elbow. I don might have Ebola. Who? You! E who? Ebola.

What's that? They said a monkey got loose in Miami, had Ebola. The monkey bit you and the monkey died. So I don't know what you got. If the monkey got Ebola, he bit you and he died. Listen, if a monkey bit me, he died because I bit him back. I don't play with animals like that. But that's my point.

So whatever, if he got Ebola, if he bit you, you bit him back and he died, and then nothing happened to you. I don't know what strand you got. I don't have the only strand I got is I ain't the one to play with. That's the strand. Okay. I see it right there.

You bite me you finna get the bat. That go for any animal. Snakes, dogs, raccoons. Everybody. Where do you believe the Raiders should look for a head coach? Obviously, Coach Belichick signed with the University of North Carolina, the Tar Heels. He has a buyout June 1st of a million dollars, but if he were to leave now, it would cost him 10 million. So, I mean, it's still a possibility. 10 million. I mean, hey, you get the rate. Hey, Raiders, y'all want me bad enough?

I mean, considering Tampa gave up two first round of the gate, eight million in cash. If you want, hey, look, they got, but look, obviously the Raiders don't have the influx of cash. This is a mom and pop shop. So it's not, no, he's not littered with money. He doesn't have billions and billions of dollars like some of these other owners. The only thing that he operates is the Raiders. You know, a lot of these other owners,

they have outside businesses. Jerry got, you know, a gas company. He got this and he got car dealerships in Brazil. You got Sean Conn who has car parts and all that stuff going on. So there are a lot of guys that have other things. Obviously we know what the Walton Perner family have that guy's worth 80 billion right low ten million dollars to him ain't nothing But that's a substantial amount of money considering now

We still don't know what the arbitration is with um with John Gruden John Gruden had three years on that deal, right? No, the gun grew they're like six years on that deal Six or seven years. He signed a 10-year deal for 100 million. And he had like six, seven years. So he had 60 million, 60, 70 million. Arbitration is coming. Okay.

They had a coach after him. They fired him. Oh, Josh McDaniel. So they got Josh McDaniel on the payroll. Okay, you just had AP. AP had to sign at least a three-year deal. So youDaniels on the payroll. Okay. You just had AP. Yeah. AP had decided at least a three year deal. So you got him on the payroll. Right.

So you still got a damn near probably. 80, $90 million in coaches that don't coach for you. Right. Yeah. And, uh, and I think, uh, earlier this year, the NFL issued a memo about all this guaranteed money. Coaches and players, they let Russ go 30 plus million. Kirk Cousins, we're going to see what's happening. We see a lot of coaches being, and players being let go with substantial amount of guaranteed

money still on the books. But the Raiders got to do, look, the Raiders, things are better when the Raiders are good. There are certain teams that, you know, you're the old the old guard, the Steelers doing well, the Broncos all of a sudden come back. Yeah, you won't, you know, anytime you got the great quarterback, you got my home, you got Lamar, Josh Allen, you got Gaal.

It's better when you have, but the old guards, those fans show up. Steelers, they're gonna show up in Baltimore. The Broncos, they show up. Teams like that that travel to Packers, they show up. But the Raiders need to get this thing figured out. I mean, all these coaches that they've hired, they haven't been to the play, they went to the playoffs.

Nah, they lost to y'all. When Derek Carr's last year, they went to the playoffs. They ended up losing to the Bengals. I think the year y'all went to the Superbowl. 2021? Was it 2021? Yeah, I believe so. But listen, the job that the Raiders, I mean, it would be one that

was sought after if the quarterback situation was intact. It's not. It's up in the air, no disrespect to the quarterbacks that are there, but they're just not going to get it done. Players get coaches fired. Players get coaches fired. And if you don't have a quarterback at the helm that can work an offense, that can at least give you a chance to compete week in and week out, I mean, you just, you get in the job just to get fired because you're gonna be on a short leash, you know?

And you can't say anything as a head coach, well, how do you expect me to win without having the tools in my toolbox to go out there and compete? And it all starts with having my Allen wrench. My Allen wrench is for quarterback, but I ain starts with having my Allen wrench. My Allen wrench is for quarterback. If I ain't got no goddamn Allen wrench, how the hell am I supposed to fix the goddamn engine? You know? And that's what it all starts with. So I'm not sure why

even a Belichick would even want to come to the Raiders until that situation at the quarterback position is rectified. Now I can win and I can play with this. Now if I can find that centerpiece, I can build around that and then I can compete against I can play with this. Now if I can find that centerpiece, I can build around that, and then I can compete against the better team, especially in that division. Look at the division. Yeah, I mean, you go look at the division.

Mahomes, 29. So you got to deal with him another five to 10 years. You got Bo Nix, who's 24. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years. You got Justin Nix, who's 24. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years. You got Justin Herbert, who's probably 25. You got to deal with him for another five to 10 years. So in order for you to compete, it's the same thing in the AFC North. You got Joe Burrow and you got Lamar. You're going to have to deal with those guys for the foreseeable future. And that's what you're dealing with in the NFC East.

You got hurts and you got Jane Daniels. Okay. Giant. Y'all gonna have to figure it out. You gotta get a quarterback because that, you know, they're gonna be, look, they'll win more games than what they won last year. They just gotta be consistent.

That's gotta stay healthy and not turn the ball over at the most inopportune time. But without a quarterback and you got a division that's quarterback centric and you don't have one, you're not winning. You're not winning the AFC West without a damn good quarterback. Cause you got to go through Mahomes, Herbert

and Bo Nicks now. So that's three. Yeah. And you're going to have to beat Mahomes. That's why they wanted to, I mean, they probably want a division every year since 2015. And they don't keep winning. Matter of fact, they're the only team that's won the division since 20 in that division because they had Alex Smith for a year or two, and then they got my homeboy and he had never lost the

division. As a matter of fact, he's never not been in the, uh, MC championship game since he's been a starter. So that's what you're up against if you're in a division with a quarterback century That's why New England nobody had a quarterback that could go toe-to-toe with Brady No And and when what what was that division that they had? With Peyton when they was in the AFC if if you don't can't go toe-to-to had with Peyton when they was in the AOC? If you don't, can't go total total with Peyton. Yeah.

How'd you win? That's why when pain goes to the AFC West, they didn't have a quarterback. I mean, pillar rivers was the only really quarterback, but he could not gun Peyton. So you got to have a division. And I don't really know. Look, I was, as a matter of fact, I was just at the stadium, Allegiant Stadium the other night. Nice stadium, very modern, very up-to-date. I'm not going to be surprised if the Super Bowl is not back in Vegas in the next five years. Obviously, you see it's going to be in 28, it's going back to SoFi. Right. Also the Olympics is in SoFi.

Also the World Cup, quarterfinals, semifinals gonna be in SoFi. Yeah. So it's gonna come back to Allegiant Stadium. But Raiders gotta figure this thing out. They've gotta get a quarterback and they've gotta get a coach and they got to give it more than a year or two, Ocho.

Maybe you have to, you have to. Because it takes time. I mean, NFL owners that have money, that have businesses outside of football, they know that in order to fix my business, one of the one things that I can do is throw money at it. Right. NFL don't work like that. You ain't just throwing money at coaches, you ain't throwing money at players and expecting change to happen overnight. That's not the way the NFL works at all when it comes to businesses outside of football. Yes, throwing money works.

It is a business, Ocho. And sometimes you can bring a new CEO, he has a different vision. And he's like, okay, instead of this, we're gonna do this and we're gonna restructure some things. I don't give a damn who you bringing to head coach. If he ain't got no quarterback, he ain't doing diddly to restructure something. I don't give a damn who you bring in the head coach. If he ain't got no quarterback, he ain't doing diddly poop. At all. I don't care at all.

There's never been one that good to be able to overcome. I mean, obviously, you know, you look at Joe Gibbs, Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls and none of his quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Bill Parcells, he's won two with none of his quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But you think about how many Super Bowls that they played, most of the other quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Joe Flacco isn't in. Joe Flacco isn't in the Hall of Fame, but for the most part, quarterbacks that win Super Bowls, they go to the Hall of Fame. And their coach

is in the Hall of Fame. Barth Parcells is in, Gibbs is in. Look at the coaches that's won Super Bowls for the most part. Once they lead the game, five years wait, maybe it's a couple of years. Obviously, you know, guys like Blood, Grant, excuse me, Coach No, Coach Lombardi, Coach Shula, guys like that's what most, Ocho, they ain't wait. But some of the coaches, you know, you have to wait a little longer than others. But without a quarterback, you're not going anywhere, Ocho.

And the Raiders right now, they haven't had a quarterback. They had Derek Carr, for whatever reason, Coach Gruden really, really never really wrapped his arms around him. He really never embraced him. And you know, he has good games. I mean, he's like, okay, I live really. It'd be you like, bro, what are you doing?

And, uh, coach group probably was thinking like, bro, you about to get me fired. So I got to go, I got to go, uh, I got to get moved on from you. But, but then the emails popped up and then, you know, the NFL did what they did. And, uh, you know, uh, Mark Davis felt that he needed to do what he did, but he wasn't happy with he didn't really did. He didn't really didn't want to get rid of coach Google, but then I felt like you gotta do seven, uh, you gotta, yeah, you gotta move on. So the Raiders fired Tom to let's go.

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