Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Nuggets even series, Cincinnati vs. Atlanta

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets winning Game 4 over Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves in the NBA Western Conference Semifinals. Unc & Ocho also react to Tyrese Haliburton beating Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks in Game 4 of the NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals. Later, they have a raucous debate on the merits of Atlanta vs. Cincinnati. 03:41 - Show Starts08:14 - Nuggets beat Timberwolves19:37 - Pacers destroy Knicks27:32 - Hawks get the #1 overall draft pick(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for one, before I even start, all the mothers that are in the chat that are watching, I want to tell you happy Mother's Day. I love you. I hope this day was relaxing and fulfilling.

Obviously, one day for you guys doesn't do enough justice for the job that you have to do 24-7. But again, I hope it was enjoyable. So for one, would it be in Mother's Day? for you guys doesn't do enough justice for the job that you have to do 24 seven. But again, I hope it was enjoyable. So for one, would it be in mother's day? I went to go see my mom. I went to see hurricane Paul at the cemetery in Opelika. I went to see my grandma. I went out there and played a little gospel music.

I shed a few tears. I shed a few tears. So right, right after that, I left and I came out and I looked, I looked at the park, you know, I seen people playing basketball. So I pulled on the side of the grass, you know, just to watch them boys hoop for a little bit. And I looked. And I went, wait a minute. Somebody said something to me. Why come I ain't hoop?

I was like, man, I ain't got no shoes. So I went to the back of the trunk. I had my little tennis shoes. Not like really, like real tennis shoes, you know, not for hooping. Went out there, you know, talk a little trash, you know, get warmed up, get the jaws moving. And so I don't think these boys know, like, I really do this. Like, I could really come off the bench for any NBA team right now and be six-man of the year. So, bomb.

Check it. We go out there the first game. Pepper Paul. Everybody in the chat from Miami, I know all my boys watching man, Smoke, Matt, Piccolo, you ain't Matt yet. He got to earn that name. I played, right? First game, uh,

whooped them boys off the court. Then I was talking to a young fella, right? He was talking trash to me, uh. He was talking trash to me, talking about what he gonna do, and he like that, and he liked this and whatever. So I told him, okay, bet. Let's run it. So second game, he didn't hit a shot.

He didn't hit a two. Oh, he yapping now. Then, boom, he got another point. They running plays like we in the NBA. I'm saying if you really like that, call the ISO. Tell everybody to move out of the way and put the ball on the ground and get it off the muscle. He done had his little four points, so they won the game.

But he got carried. The person that was doing all the talking, he got carried. So he was out there. He had four points. So he was like a P.J. Tucker or a Patrick Beverly, like that. No disrespect because I'm learning the game so I understand. I'm not calling them role players, but he was a role player today. He got carried.

That's what they are, role players. That's what they are. They're role players. Okay, okay, okay. But he can't be talking to me like that when I'm like Anthony Edwards when I'm on the court. I'm like Anthony Edwards with the explosion of a Prime D Rose. They ain't really get that today because I wanted the court. I'm like Anthony Edwards with the explosion of a Prime D Rose. That's what they, they ain't really get that today

because I wanted to facilitate. I wanted to be like John Stockton today. I wanted to be like Steve Nash. No, I'm telling you, I got to lie for you before I lie to you. You hear me?

Okay. I was out there cutting up. So I know all my boys watching. I'm going to see y'all next Saturday, 8 o'clock in the morning. Anybody in the chat, anybody in the chat that lives in Miami,

Pepper Park, Saturday and Sunday at 8 a.m. Come out there and I'm going to show you why I should be in the NBA. Anybody in the chat, anybody in the chat that lives in Miami, Pepper Park, Saturday and Sunday at 8 a.m., come out there, and I'm going to show you why I should be in the NBA right now. Shout out to all my boys, man, out the city, little Haiti, out the beans, out the subs, wherever y'all from, I love y'all. I really appreciate y'all for letting me hoop with y'all today.

I'm going to see y'all every week. Hey, Matt, boy, your ass is mine, boy. I don't know if y'all noticed through all that story, Ocho went 0-2 on the court today. No, no, I was 1-1. No, no, no, you lost that one. I was 1-1. So the Nuggets fight their way

back, and now they've clawed home court back. They lose the first two games at home, go on the road, and beat the Timberwolves two games on the road. An 8-0 spurt at the end of the first half was the difference in the ballgame. The Nuggets win 115-107 to even the series at two, and they head back for game five in Ball Arena on Tuesday.

Nikola Jokic showed everybody why he's the MVP. Don't get twisted. But, Ocho, if you watch this game, you know if you go back and you follow the Nuggets since they've kind of been the Nuggets. Aaron Gordon is going to have one game in every series that he's going to do something spectacular. We saw it

the last series against the Lakers. He's 29-14. Tonight, he was 27. On 11-12, played 41 minutes, seven rebounds, six assists, two rebounds, excuse me, 27 points, seven rebounds, six assists. He's 11-12 from the floor. He's 2-2 from the three-point line. Yoke, 15-26.

He got a little foul trouble, 35-77. And Jamal Murray had a stretch there where he couldn't miss. He was 8-17, 3-7 from the three. He had 19 points. Holiday, Justice Holiday came off the bench, 3-6 from the four, 3-5 from the three. And Christian Brown came in. He was 3-4 from the floor, 1-1 from the three-point line, 11 points.

And that's the difference. Ant-Man was Ant-Man. He was home for game three. He carrying everybody on. But Cat got to get... Somebody got to contribute. Ain't no somebody. It's Cat.

Yeah. Cat is the all-star. Yes, sir. Cat was the rookie of the year. Yeah. Cat is the guy. He needs to carry his weight. Yeah.

And we can't look at... Well, he had a double-double. Come on, man. Cat was 5 of 18. He had 13.12 rebounds. And you can't do that. Not with four quarters. Not with four quarters. If you're going to have a chance, listen, I've been watching NBA,

so I'm feeling good now. I'm feeling good now. So if you're going to have a chance at playing, you need your superstar to show up. Cat is a superstar. You can't have off nights. You explained it to me the best. Sometimes with the role players,

when they get the chance to play and they have opportunity to be in the game, they have to make those shots. Yes. In the first two games, hell, the Wolves was up 2-0. Yes. They was up 2-0.

How did Cat play in those games? He played well. He was up 2-0. Yes. They was up 2-0. How did Cat play in those games? He played well. He was efficient from the field. So if they're going to have a chance, Cat, we need you, baby. We need you to step up. You got to. I have a question.

I have a question. As big as Cat is, please tell me, why is he not in the block? Why is he not down in the post, Uncle? Why is he at the three-point line? He should not be coming out, retrieving the ball at the three-point line, calling for isos, calling for picks.

Come on, Uncle. What are we doing? But that's the way the game has expanded. We see these guys seven foot tall. Look at Chet Holmgren. He's 7'2", 7'3". Look at Wimby. Look at Przingas. Joel Embiid shoots a lot of threes.

That's where the game is headed, Ocho. Because the value is in the three-point shot. I understand the value is in the three-point shot. But you, Cat, Cat, I need you to be a Swiss Army Knife. We know you can shoot the three. We know you got a mid-range game. Why not start down in the block? Why not start down in the post? Why not start down in the post

and see if you can get Joker in foul trouble? Tire him out a little bit early in the game. See if you can get him in foul trouble a little bit. You know? You gotta make him work. And then change the game up. Find different ways to facilitate, get the ball, and

then work your game that way as opposed to just trying to play for from mid-range out. Start from the block first. Man, nigga, ask for that bid. Come on, now. But that's been a lot of issues

that people have taken with Cat, because he's so skilled, and we know you can shoot the ball from there, but you're seven foot tall, and you can post. And on most, but you're seven foot tall and you can post. And on most nights, you're going to have, because of Rudy's on the court, you're going to have an advantage on the block if you're so choosing. Now, granted, with Rudy in the game, see, and look, I understand they're playing well, but it didn't make no sense to me

because Rudy can't do anything but play on the block. Right. So if you put a cat on the block, where are you going to put Rudy? Wait, listen. I ain't guarding Rudy. Whoa, whoa but play on the block. Right. So if you put Cat on the block, where you going to put Rudy? Wait, listen. I ain't guarding Rudy. Hold on, whoa. Rotate.

Rotate that shit. Rotate for what? Who running the point? Mike Conley. You move. Come down. Cat in the block. Rotate it around.

I'm a double Cat. If that's what you got to do, you run specific plays for cat early in the game when he's down in the block. We not shoot mid-range or out three calling for picks. What you doing? I'm doubling off Rudy Gobert. Rudy is not going to do anything

but do a put-back dunk, a tip in. So I don't have to worry about him outside of five feet. So that's what I'm going to do. But that's been some of the qualms with Cat, is that he spends so much time outside on the perimeter, hovering around the three-point line. When he's skilled, he can play with his back to the basket. But that's not what he chooses to do.

Because guys that play with their back to the basket, they look at that as old school. You know, antiquated. Ain't nobody playing like Patrick Ewing. Ain't nobody playing like Elijah Warn and David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Those guys are gone. It's about having a package. It's about having a package.

The more package you have, the better you are. That's the point of having a Swiss Army knife. Having multiple things you can cut with. So if you know you got a package and you can go down in the post or in the block and you can play like that and you got a mid-range

so that affects the team you're playing defensively. They got to play you multiple ways. I agree. You got to use all that shit. But you preaching to the choir, though. I need you to get that to the congregation. Oh, don't care. Hey, listen, after this, I'm waiting for Ant to shower.

I'm going to wait for Ant to shower. I'm going to wait till he cools down. I'm going to call him. I'm going to talk to him. Man, tell him, man, tell him, get his, man, you said one. You about, what, 280? Cat was five of 18. He had 13 points and 12 rebounds.

So he needs, they need to be able to match let's say Yoke and Cat play to a standstill. Right. Okay, who did something with Aaron Gordon? What are we going to do about those 27 points? Who offsets that? That's where Cat

is supposed to offset that. Right. Now we can play two on two now with conley uh uh who else who starts conley jay daniels mcdaniel excuse me and rudy gobert now we could offset their other three but man they it's hey i i stuck with the nuggets i said no i thought the nuggets had to be i thought the Nuggets would win. They're not going down. You're not sweeping.

The likelihood of you sweeping the champs, and they're not injured, they got too much pride to let that happen. Sweet, sweet. Not only pride. Do you think experience plays a factor? Yeah, for sure. Experience plays a factor?

Yeah, they've been there, done that. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. They never get bothered. Look how many times they were down to the Lakers. Right. Down 12. Down 16.

Down 20. Don't matter. And when you blink, they back in the game. Yeah. Look at this. The Timberwolves were right there in the game. And then eight quick points. Yeah.

Boom, boom, boom. And now all of a sudden it's back to a 17 16 17 point ball game just in the blink of an eye but you knew yoke wasn't going to continue to be this inefficient you knew eventually he's going to get that touch he's going to get his range back and the question was when was aaron gordon going to have that game well he had it tonight. And it couldn't have come at a better time. So now they go back to Denver, and the Timberwolves got their work cut.

We know Ant-Man is going to beat Ant-Man. The question is, can Cat give you 25 to 30 with 12, 13 rebounds? Because that's what it's going to take. That's what it's going to take. Damn. That's what it's going to take. Give the Nuggets credit. Look, they got a three-time MVP. They're the reigning champs. They know what it's like to be battle tested. They know what it's like to have their backs

against the wall. They knew they couldn't go down 0-3. They know they can't be down 3-1 and now there's no margin of error. Now you got to win the next four games or you got to win the next three games. You don't want that. Now, hey, now it's the best two out of three. And two of the

three games on our home court. They're thinking, I like our chances now. Right. Yeah, and you can't keep spotting the nuggets because if you go back and look at game three, they spotted them, let them get out there 10 15 20 points game's over they spent so much time you exert so much energy trying to get back into the game when you're down 15 you're down 18 points

it's hard and then when you get close you get eight and then you get careless with the ball you have a turnover and the next thing you know an an eight-point lead now is a 10, 12, 14, 16. Now you're like, damn. Yeah. We was right there. But give the Nuggets credit. They win behind a great performance by Nikola Jokic and Aaron Gordon. And they send it back tied 2-2 to Denver.

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The Knicks look sluggish or step slow. The Nova Knicks combined for 27 points. 10 of 36 from the floor 1 of 13 from the 3 point line and the combined trio was minus 96 and plus minus when the game started

when the game started the beginning of the game told you how the game was going to go the beginning of the game when the Pacers- was going to go. The beginning of the game, when the Pacers-Nick game started, and the Pacers were hitting shot after shot after shot. And I think at one point when it was, it might have been 17-9. I might be wrong. My memory might be wrong.

I think it might have been 17-9. And from that point on, I knew it was going to be struggle bus the rest of the game. I knew it was going to be struggle bus the rest of the game. I knew it was going to be struggle bus. Well, this might have been a good thing for them because they get the rest. Because you got to think about it, they're playing some crazy minutes, Ocho.

A good thing? Huh? A good thing? Yeah. Them legs. You see how wobbly those legs look? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You keep playing 48 and 46 and 44 minutes

at that intensity. Right. Hey, they got, guess what what they got 24 minutes 22 minutes uh brunson played 31 minutes hard play 24 minutes they need they look it's two two we're going back home we're going to be in our building and let's see k a now i picked the pacers yeah. Because I think because they can run, I thought they're a more rounded team. Right. They're a deeper team. I think the Knicks starting five is better.

But where the Pacers make up the ground is where they bring the bench into play. So, what you're talking about, the minutes that the players are playing, Josh Hart, Devin Chinco. Devin Chinco. Devin Chinzo.

Devin Chinzo. My bad. Apologies. Josh Hart, Devin Chinzo. Devin Chinzo. Devin Chinzo. My bad. Apologies. Josh Hart, Devin Chinzo. Jalen Brunson. Isaiah Hardenstein. Do you think it's on Tibbs or is it Tibbs' fault, the fact that they're playing too many minutes to where they look sluggish

as opposed to the way they look today, as opposed to how they looked the first two games? So are they playing too many minutes? But they got to because they're down Julius Randle. They're down Robinson. So they're down what's it, Chua?

No, OG, Ananobi. So they're down three guys. That's right. His hamstring. That's right. Yeah. So they're down three guys. That's right. His hamstring. That's right. Yeah. So they're down three guys. Now, Tibbs, everybody knows Tibbs when they followed him when he was at Chicago. Right. When he was at Minnesota. He's going to run you in the ground now.

Oh, it's a track meet. Oh, he's going to run you in the ground. No, you're going to play minutes. Right. You're going to play heavy minutes. Right. Heavy minutes. And the problem that you run into in the playoffs

is that you shorten your bench. Mm-hmm. minutes. And the problem that you run into in the playoffs is that you shorten your bench. And so now, you got Jalen Brunson playing 44, 45, 46 minutes. You got Josh Hart playing 48 minutes every night. At that level of intensity. At some point in time, it's gonna catch up with you. Okay, I'm glad

you said that. I got something you can teach me about basketball again, on the back end. When it comes to playoff time, how about you don't shorten the bench? You can't. Because you got to go with the guys that you know. You got to go, you're going to shorten it because you got to go with the guys that you know. You got three

or four guys. Right. And now obviously it could change. You put a guy in there and mop up time. Right. You're losing by 20 points and there's three minutes left in the game and you come in there and kill a couple of buckets, he catches your eye. Like, okay. Kind of like if you go back and look at the situation with the Golden State Warriors.

They were getting blowed out in game three. They make the switch, put Iguodala in there. They're like, okay, we like the way this flow. They lose another game. So maybe there's something that one of the guys can come in and do that's gonna cause him to like he catches the catch of the coaching staff eyes

yeah and they're like okay let's see if we can give him give him four or five minutes let's see what he can do okay but the bench and this is why i gave indiana the edge is because of obi topping and because of t.J. McConnell McConnell and Jackson those guys off the bench T.J. McConnell you love a guy like that he's got look he can't stop Brunson he's like I just want to just tie my

I just want to make him work I'm going to make it work I'm going to pick him up at 94 and then when I go out hey y'all guys might not pick him up 94 but pick him up 50 Obi. And then when I go out, hey, y'all guys might not pick him up 94, but pick him up 50. Yes, sir. Obi Toppin is coming in, giving you buckets. Hey, the Knicks drafted him.

He's like, y'all gave up on me. Let me show you what y'all missing now. And so Jackson is active on the board. He giving you putbacks. That was the reason why I took the Pacers. I think the Knicks have the better starting five. Right. But I think the Knicks have the better starting five. Right. But I think the Pacers have the better bench.

And so now we got to get into it where you have to play your bench because your guys are fatigued or some guys are in foul trouble. Right. And I think that's what would give the Pacers the advantage. I got the perfect scenario. Perfect scenario for the Knicks players. Josh Hart, I know you're going to see this. Jalen Brunson, I know y'all are going to see this.

Cole Tubb, I know you already do that anyway. Cole Tubb, before the next game, you got a few days to rest. Contrast, back and forth. Before the next game, after doing the Cole Tubb, you do your shoot around, whatever. I know Tibbs is not going to push you hard for your next game, after doing the cold tub, you do your shoot around, whatever. I know you're not going to push you hard for your next game. Right before you play again, hit the cold tub right before the game. Take a half of Viagra. Take a half of Viagra, and I guarantee you, it get the blood flow going,

that explosion, and you feeling fresh like it's the beginning of the season. That's exactly how you're going to feel. I'm telling you, it's going to save you. I used to do the contrast before he came over. You know, I contrast, you get hot, cold, hot, cold. Hot, cold and back and forth. Oh, yeah. And you get that fresh blood

flowing through the body. And you... I'm good. We're ready. Let's do this. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. let's do this let's go let's go let's go let's go

let's go hey the people in the chat that probably don't know that have never played sports at that level maybe if you played in high school don't understand

what it feels like when you get in that cold tub and that hot tub you contrast back and forth and you get you get those chills you freeze everything up and you get in that

that hot tub and everything released you get back in the cold and do it back and forth I And you get those chills. You freeze everything up. And you get that hot tub and everything released. You get back in the cold and do it back and forth. I used to do it about maybe three times. Yeah. When it's time to go out there

and run again, boy, I swear to God, it feel like you never ran a day in your life. Yep. It feel like you never ran a day in your life. Leg feel so flushed,

so cold, it feel so good. Brand new. Yeah, man. But again, if Josh Hart, Jalen Brunson, I know y'all gonna see this,

add the half of pill, add half of Viagra. I'm telling you, the increase in blood flow is going to help the lower body extremities to increase explosion, athleticism, lateral movement, all that shit. I promise you, I lie for you before I lie to you. Try it. Next do, excuse me, The Pacers do what they need to do. They hold serve at home.

They go back to Madison Square Garden, tied 2-2. Normally, they say, what, 70-73% of the team that win game five ends up winning the series. Let's see. Knicks got blown out. All the games, for the most part it really come down

to the wire the last two to three minutes of the ball game this game was over at the end of the first quarter I get it I understand that you know 20 points in today's game but you didn't see anything any form of life any sort of spark that the Knicks would could display that made you think they were going to ever get back into this game. But give the Pacers credit. They tied a series up, head back to New York, tied 2-2. The Atlanta Hawks get the number one overall pick. The Hawks earned the number one overall pick in the lottery this year, despite having a just 3% chance of doing so.

Nine other teams had better odds for the number one pick, but Atlanta managed to leapfrog them all. GM Landry Fields, you remember Landry Fields played with the Knicks, also played with the Toronto Raptors, told reporters moving the number one pick isn't on the team's radar just yet. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What do they mean moving the number one pick? So is there a chance the Hawks wouldn't want it, you mean?

Yeah, because they're looking at it. There's not a LeBron. There's not a Shaq. There is there a chance the Hawks wouldn't want it, you mean? Yeah, because they're looking at it. There's not a LeBron. There's not a Shaq. There's not a Tim Duncan. There's not a Victor Wimbinyama. There's not a Kareem Orman. There's not one, just one franchise-changing player in a draft. Not one.

No Ant-Man. Nothing? But see, even Ant-Man wasn't consensus. He wasn't consensus, number one. Yeah, because you had James Wiseman and you had LaMelo Ball. So it wasn't like a Shaq. When Shaq came out. Right.

Orlando, or as a matter of fact, Orlando disconnected their phone because they didn't even want you to waste your time calling them. When LeBron came out, don't even waste your time calling them. When Tim Duncan, when Wimby. You're not moving a guy like that. Okay, timeout, timeout, timeout. I'm confused. How was Anthony Edwards not consensus when he was coming out?

What were the scouts looking at? And are you saying LaMelo Ball and James Weiss was better than him during that time? No, but I'm saying there were some thoughts that LaMelo Ball could go number one. James Weissman can go number one. It wasn't like when they talked in the 92 draft. Everybody knew Shaq was going number one. Right. Everybody knew LeBron was going number one.

Even though he was coming out of high school. Right. LeBron was going number one, even though he was coming out of high school. Right. LeBron was going number one. Everybody knew there are certain guys like Tim Duncan. What are we talking about here? I mean, the fact that coming out of Georgia, Anthony De'Az was not viewed as a consistent overall number one pick is beyond me based on how he has turned out

in such a short amount of time in the NBA. But here's the thing. There have been a lot of number one picks that didn't turn out like that. Name one. Well. Okay, name two. And wait, wait a minute.

Before you name them, remember, name one that didn't turn out how it should turn out, that went number one, but it wasn't because of injury. That wasn't injured. That just turned out, oh, this is messed up.

Well, Michael Oluwakandi. Injury. Michael Oluwakandi didn't have no injury. He had no bad knees. So you're talking about Greg Oden. From Ohio State. That's Oden. He had bad knees. He had bad knees.

Kwame. The guy from Cleveland. What was his name? Anthony Bennett. He went number one. He's out of the league in two years. Wait. Out of the league in two years and you went number one?

Yes. Ocho, the hardest thing to do is to predict what someone is going to be because you don't know how hard are they going to work, what does it mean to them. Look at a guy like Jokic. Jokic came in the league. You know Jokic drafted in the second round?

He was fat. He was out of shape. And he said it. He said, I drank in a case to maybe two cases, like a case of Coke a day. He trimmed up three MVPs in four years. Now he's the best player in basketball. It's like a football player.

Ocho, we've seen them. Guys go number one. How do I know, Ocho? How do I know what's in here? I see all the physical tools. I see a guy throw the ball 60 yards on one knee. I see the guy roll and throw the ball back across the field 80 yards.

I see a guy do all that. But how much time is he going to put into it? Right. I have a question. Do you think at times some of the teams that they go to, it does more good than bad? It does more bad than good based on where they go? In basketball and football. So you look at some of the situations.

Players, when you get drafted early in NFL, you're going to a horrible team. Most of the time, that number one pick is normally a quarterback. And when you go to a team and your quarterback is number one and they're horrible, you get in a situation like, what's Young Bull? What's Young Bull from Alabama? Went to Carolina.

Bryce. Bryce Young. Oh, look. Look's Young Bull from Alabama? Winter Carolina. Bryce... Bryce Young. Oh, look. Look, you come from Alabama. There are no weaknesses on defense, on offense. Your O-line is good. Your running back good.

Your receivers are good. And then once you get to the next level, you have to do that much more because you're going... Listen, the playing field evens out once you get to the league.

Yeah. It evens out. But a lot a lot of times it's not how how you go but Ocho it's where you go

I want to be number one I don't give a damn send me to hell if I'm going to be the number one pick let me go to hell I'm going to be number one nah

I just want to be the number one pick Ocho because guess what there's something about that everybody says what do you hear them say when the guys come out of the draft what do they say Ocho football, basketball, baseball what do you hear them say? When the guys come out in the draft, what do they say, Ocho? Football, basketball,

baseball, what do they say? What do they want to be, Ocho? Who said that, you know what? I want to be the second pick in the draft. I want to be the tenth pick in the draft. Who said that? But circumstance... Everybody says, I'm the best player in this draft. And you're the best player if you got to understand, look at the team you're going to. Because what's going to happen

now, you're the best player in the draft. You are the best on the team that you're in best player if you got to understand, look at the team you're going to. Because what's going to happen now, you're the best player in the draft. You are the best on the team that you're in where you had a bunch of stars around you. If you're going to the worst team, you can get exposed when you are the number one pick, which happens most of the time because you don't have that elite talent around you. Right. Now, you've got to be that boy. Now, if you're really not that boy, you're going to get exposed. But you got to think about it. Plus, Ocho, they're so

young. It's not like when guys like Tim Duncan came out. Tim Duncan played all four years. So Tim Duncan is 22. You get guys coming out now, Ocho, they're 18. They're 19 years of age. That's a whole there's a big gap between a 19-year-old thinking

and a 22-year-old thinking. It just is. Yeah. Oh, and you know what else comes into play? Yeah. Skill set. Yes. Your skill set, what you can do.

I mean, you could be 22 and you could have a 20-year-old that's a hooper. You could have an 18-year-old that's a hooper. And the 18-year-old might be better. Mindset. Might be better. Look at a guy like Kobe. Kobe came in at 17 years of age,

but he had a 25-year-old mindset. Right, right, right. Only thing he cared about was basketball. Right, that's it. That chasing and doing that other stuff, Kobe cared about basketball. You look at LeBron. Came in 18, turned 19 in December.

He had a singular focus. Shaq got an opportunity to spend three years in college. Right. That's a whole different ballgame as a guy spending one year in college because you do get to develop a pattern of being away from home, being on your own. One year of college, that's really not a whole lot of time. And then some guys was coming straight out of high school.

Yeah. Come out of high school, you got to be a basketball savant. You, you got to be that boy. You got to just dominate the competition to where it looks like you almost don't belong. You not supposed to be here. Right.

I mean, you, I mean, you had guys that like that. Do I believe had, had Shaq dead as his father who was in the military, Shaq could have come out. Cause you,

I mean, he's seven, one he's 20. He's damn near 300 pounds as an 18-year-old. Where they grow them at? I can't coach height.

I can teach you to get lateral quickness. I can work on the three-point shot. I can teach you to get... I can't teach you to grow. What I'm going to do, put cow manure in your shoes? It's nice dirt? I can't teach your shoes? It's a nice dirt? I can't teach you that. It's just what they say in football, Ocho.

I can't teach you to run fast, son. Either you got it or you don't. You can't teach speed. You can't teach speed. I can teach you technique. I can say, son, hey, sit outside, follow your keys. You know what they're doing? They're on a three by one. You see where he's lined up? Hey, what you playing for?

I mean, look, think about where he's at. He's two yards outside the numbers. Hey, I'm thinking out. What you thinking? He's three yards outside the numbers. What you thinking? I'm thinking bang. You know what I'm saying?

I can get keys based on his alignment, the formation, where we are on the field, and based on the data that we're breaking down through four, eight, twelve, however many games. So I can factor all that in. Now, how well can I process that through the course of the game? Fast, too. Fast. A lot of guys

can do it in the first quarter, but in the second quarter, your mind starts to drip. Okay, you've given up a place. And now you're focused on, and now you're not reading your keys. Right. But this, look at this. In the 2018 draft,

DeAndre Ayton went number one overall. Marvin Bagley went number two overall. Guess who the third pick was, Ocho? Who? Luka. So who do you think should have been number one in that draft Ocho based on what they've done so far yeah Luka and now Marvin Bagley

he hasn't been that bad has he he hasn't been that bad he's been in Sacramento he's in Detroit right now huh the 11th pick guess who the 11th pick in that draft was Sacramento. He's in Detroit right now. Huh? The 11th pick. Guess who the 11th pick in that draft was? 11th? Yep. The 11th pick in the draft, 2018.

Guess who he was, Ocho? Who that? Shea. Gilgis. Alexander. What are the scouts looking at in college? See? Ocho, if it was that easy, nobody would miss.

Jokic went in the second round, like in the 40s. So you just, you never know. So basketball and football must be completely different then when it comes to drafting. Because what you put up in college most of the time,

to me, I'm thinking most of the time, when you saw Jamar Chase in college, you knew what you was getting when you drafted him. When you saw Justin Jefferson in college, you knew what you was getting when you drafted him that early. When you saw Joe Burrow, you knew what you was getting. Well, tell me why Tom Brady went in the sixth round 192. Oh, you know what?

199. Now, that's a good one. That's a good one. I ain't even got the argument for that. I ain't even got the argument for that. I ain't even got the argument for that. John Randall went undrafted. Minnesota Vikings, John Randall? Went undrafted.

Boy, that's crazy, boy. Jalen Brunson was picked 33 in 2018. Villanova. Villanova Jalen? Yeah. The one that's in the Knicks. No, that's the second round. They only got two rounds, right?

They only got two rounds. They got 30 teams. So you get 30 is the cutoff. You think that was because of this hype? Hell, Allen Iverson. How tall you thought A.I. was? That's a different animal now. Come. was? That's a different animal now, come on now that's a different animal

see what you did? now you thinking like the Scouts you see what you did? Like the Scouts you based it on his height you forget what you saw at Villanova when he led them to a national championship, you see? oh, no, I'm only wait, let me tell you why I'm saying that, though.

Not the, was it the college championship this year? Somebody, who won the college championship this year? UConn. Who was the guard that's really short? And I said, oh, man, he's balling. He definitely going to the NBA. And everybody on Twitter got on my head.

Nah, he might make it to the G League. He's too short. Castle? You talking about Castle? I think that might be him, if I'm not mistaken. Obviously, I can't go that far. No, you like the big tall guy. You like the 7'3 guy. You like Zach Eady. Talking about they ain't got no place for him to play in the NBA? I thought, listen,

maybe it's too late now. Well, hell, if Cat can do it, can they work on his mid-range? Can they work on him playing at the top? Top of the key? Maybe it's too late now. Well, hell, if Cat can do it, can they work on his mid-range? Can they work on him playing at the top of the key? Maybe it's too late. Nah, nah, nah. I mean, at worst, he should be able to get some hustle. He could be a Hartenstein. Hartenstein done carved out a nice little niche for himself.

He could be a Rudy Gobert. He could be a Zubats. You mean to tell me he can't be Zubat from the Clippers? Right. Yeah. I mean, everybody, look, everybody ain't got to be Shaq. Everybody ain't got to be Tim Duncan. Everybody ain't got to be Kareem Dam. Just because you said, you got to have the footwork for that.

That footwork has been in them for life. It's already been there. So the foundation to work with, then you add the tools and you had the footwork already, then you become Tim Duncan, Mr. Fundamentals. Yeah, but the thing is, Ocho,

people just automatically assume if they see somebody short, but he should be AI. No. You see somebody tall, why he can't be this height? He taller than... Bro, it don't work like that.

DNA. Everybody that's six. So now every time somebody's six, six, it don't work like that. DNA. Everybody that's 6'6". So now, every time somebody's 6'6", oh, that's Michael Jordan. Just because Michael Jordan was 6'6". Kobe was 6'6". And so everybody that's 6'6", they remind you of Kobe. They remind you. No, they don't. Yeah.

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everybody has a ceiling. You can work as hard as you want on everything you want, but you still have a physical ceiling on what you are capable of doing based on your DNA. You're only going to be able to do so much. Yeah, and people are like, well, ooh, if he could do this, I say, man, so y'all wanted God to make Shaq have footwork like Elijah won, can shoot the ball like Dirk Nowitzki,

and then handle the ball. I don't know what damn high fare would that be. He made him 7'1", 325 with less than 10% body fat. Man, if LeBron— I said, bro, do you understand what LeBron is? He's 6'9", 265 pounds. He got Karl Malone's body.

He can handle the ball like magic, and he can post you up like a true five. But y'all want him to shoot the ball like Steph Curry. God damn! Listen, the funny thing— Man, just imagine if Steph Curry was 6'8". Well, damn, how fair would that be? You going to let the man be 6'8"?

And be able to shoot the ball like that? Like that? Yeah, that's crazy. Damn. That's crazy. They want their favorite player, Ocho, to have everything. Every attribute, like 2K. I mean, damn.

I mean, he got to, God got to make him have some, he got to be able to have some weakness. Even the fastest cars. So what if a car could go 200 miles an hour? Man, I want to get 50 miles to the Gallup. God damn. How you want them to go that fast?

Get 50 miles to the Gallup. Right. But you know what's funny? Come on, people. Think about what you did. All the attributes you just said. You know what's funny? Think about what you did. All the attributes you just said. You know who got everything? Wim Bam Yama.

Well, maybe except, maybe not the strength or the weight. What if he had Shaq size? Okay, that wouldn't be fair. Don't do that. That wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. Hey, hold on. To be able to put the ball on the floor like that.

Yes. To be able to shoot like that from the three. Yes. And go on the post. Yes. Oh, hell, that wouldn't be fair. And then you add weight on him like Shaq. Thank you.

Thank you. How is that fair? Nah. Nah. So you can't give a guy everything? Damn. That's like saying, man, what if Tom Brady had Lamar Jackson quickness?

Hold on. What if Tom Brady was like Michael Vick? Come on, man. Man, they're joking with 700 to no. They win the Super Bowl every year. Come on, man. Never lose. You gotta have some limitations

on what you can do. Man, what if Michael Jordan could shoot the three ball like Steph? Really, dude? Really? So he done game. He could jump out the gym. He got a mid-range. He could put the ball on the floor. He could put you in. He make 80 plus

percent of his free throws, but now you want him to shoot plus 40 percent from the three point line on volume threes. Right. Really? I said, man, y'all want somebody to have every every single thing. No, no deficiencies. Everybody got a weakness. Yeah.

Yeah. That's crazy. Whoo. Detroit Pistons have finished the worst record in the NBA for the last two years. But the draft lottery has been incredibly cruel to them. For the second consecutive year, the Pistons have landed the number five overall pick in the draft. They had a 14% chance of securing the number one pick both years and more than 50% chance of having a top three pick, but it did not happen either time. Detroit is the only team to ever have the best odds to win the lottery,

then land at number five, and it's happened to them two straight years. So, God, what'd you get for losing all these damn games on purpose? Right. God, what'd you get? How about, are they losing them on purpose? Yeah. Okay, so if you're losing them on purpose in hopes of getting the picks you need, at what point will your team ever be in contention to do anything? Well, it ain't going to be in contention because you're hoping

because it's like San Antonio. See, San Antonio had to draft well because you're not going to get somebody to come to San Antonio. If you go back and since free agency, the only guy that's really come was LaMarcus Aldridge. But they drafted. They drafted Tim Duncan. They drafted Tony Parker.

They drafted Manu DeGenova. They drafted Ka drafted Kawhi Leonard. They drafted, you know, so you draft really, really well. They had they drafted David Robinson. Look at the Lakers. See, the Lakers are going to get people to come. They got Wilt to come. They got Shaq to come. They got LeBron to come. They got Kareem to come. Right.

Some places, you're going to attract the stars. Now, perfect question. Lead up for my question. A place that's going to attract stars. Who wouldn't want to play in Atlanta? So my question to you is, do the Hawks go full rebuild and trade Trae Young and DeJounte Murray for a gang of picks or keep one?

Who would be the one you keep? DeJounte or Trae? Keep one and try to be competitive immediately by getting a gang of picks. Oh my goodness. Ocho, you and I know, look, I love Atlanta. I wouldn't want to play in Atlanta. Why?

Because it's too much distraction. Distractions? Yeah, and plus, Ocho, I'm close to home. There are 30 NBA teams, right? Yeah. All of them not creating equal. Every NBA city had distractions.

All cities ain't created like Atlanta. You know that, I know that. It's not. An NBA player that's focused on his game in the NBA with the Kobe-type mindset, you think women's playing is going to affect him? On a football team, how many people you think focus on a 53-man roster,

not counting the practice squad, how many of them are focused? I mean, the person who has the most focus is probably the quarterback. Probably the quarterback. The quarterback. Quarterback is always the most focused. On a 53-man roster, how many of them as focused as they need to be? That's hard. Ain't nothing going on in Cincinnati.

The skyline chili ain't popping like that. Cincinnati popping, boy. The Midwest is like that. Skyline chili, and I know you can jump down to, what you call them, to the Kentucky Derby. I know what you think. Wait a minute. Cincinnati. Move it right down the street. Stop it. Let me tell you something. In Cincinnati, when I was playing,

we had a place called Annie's. Annie's just like Magic City. No, it ain't. Don't do that. Annie's just like Magic City. Ain't nobody put no Annie's in no song. Ain't nobody put no Annie in no song. Ain't nobody, when they get to their hotel, drop their bags off and go straight to Annie's.

They go into Magic City. Stop it. Hey, we had roller skating. I used to go to the session after the game, 7 to 11, roller skating. Well, you go to the roller skate out there on KK Road. See? Same thing. Well, you have road miles.

Same thing. I'm just saying. This man tried to tell me Cincinnati is the equivalent of Atlanta. It is. Cincinnati got women, too. Huh? We got the banks. When's the last time you've been to Cincinnati? Have you been on the river? Have you been on the banks and seen

the banks now? Cincinnati not the same Cincinnati that you remember when you were in Atlanta. Think about what you said. It's Cincinnati. Wait, Cincinnati today, right now, is better than Atlanta. What you talking about? We have more to offer.

Ask NFL players right now what they want to play. Would they rather play in Atlanta or would they rather play in Cincinnati? No, no, no. They would rather play with Joe Burrow. Would you rather live in Atlanta or live in Cincinnati? No, they're going to say they'd rather live in Cincinnati and play with Joe Burrow because of what we have to offer. Man, stop it. Man, stop it. Man, stop it.

Let's bet. You're a damn wearer. Let's bet. Let's bet. What you want to bet? Let me see. This man say women in Cincinnati are the equivalent of Atlanta.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. Better. Have you been to Cincinnati? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Atlanta is... Listen, wait. I might be drunk. I might be drunk on the show.

No, you ain't drunk. Listen, I love Atlanta. I will be. I've only been to Atlanta maybe five or six times in my lifetime. I love Atlanta. It's considered black Hollywood. Beautiful people. Beautiful people. Cincinnati, we have everything every ethnicity

you're looking for what the hell you think Atlanta got huh what the hell you think Atlanta got Atlanta's called black Hollywood

for a reason because we dominated in all areas in all facets it's awesome it's great the only people look here

the only people that's moving to Cincinnati are athletes they play for the Reds. They play for the Bengals. You need to stop this, Ochoa. You don't understand. I do understand.

You think about the 80s and the 90s. Cincinnati is not the same anymore. I'm thinking about Cincinnati. Think about it. Think about what you're saying. Cincinnati is not the same. We have evolved. We have evolved.

Cincinnati. We have evolved. Cincinnati. A very safe place to live. The people are great. The organization is great. Right now, we have a. Cincinnati. A very safe place to live. The people are great. The organization is great. Right now, we have a poll up, better women.

Atlanta, crushing. Hold on. 84%. Cincinnati, 16%. That's because the 84% ain't never been to Cincinnati. They've never lived there. And that 16%

ain't never been to Atlanta. Bad is bad. Bad is bad, gentlemen. That 16% ain't never been to Atlanta. Man, this man. Man, this man's in the middle. Hey, Chad. This man just out of here arguing. Listen, I'm telling you, I'm not arguing with you. I'm just stating facts because I lived in Cincinnati for 11 years. I've been to Atlanta six times.

And Atlanta is beautiful. The people are awesome. Everybody is on their business. Everybody is doing something great in Atlanta. Awesome place to be. I haven't been to the office, but I know what Cincinnati has to offer. Look, accept this collab

because we're going to put this up and we're going to stand on business and I want you to read the comments when they come into your page. Okay. Well, I didn't say anything bad about Atlanta. I just said people would prefer to live in Cincinnati. I'm not saying nothing bad. Ain't nothing wrong with Atlanta.

If you like Skyline Chili, take off. Skyline Chili, have you ever heard of Jeff Ruby Steakhouse? Huh? We got way more than that. Huh? The precinct more than that. Huh? The precinct? Come on now,

stay with me now. We got more than You know what y'all known for? Y'all known for a TV show. WKRP in Cincinnati. That's what y'all known for. Okay. And that's because y'all

had Lonnie Anderson on there. You better stop it. Hold on. Well, what is ATL known for? You better stop. What are they known for? How about this? The birthplace of the civil rights movement.

Do I need to say anything else? Can I ask you a question? Yes. With that civil rights movement, right? Yes. Stay with me now. Dr. Martin Luther King. Dr. Martin Luther King. How much has changed since then? Oh, you think it's bad now?

Go back to civil rights before this. Oh, yeah. Go back to Jim Crow. I know, but let me tell you something. If you're paying attention, now, I'm not one to get into politics, but if you're paying attention, you know, history repeats itself, don't it?

You know that, right? But that's what you got to do. You got to educate and enlighten people so we don't let it repeat itself. Oh, listen. Oh, I know you're talking. I'm glad you said that. Listen. Do you know the history of Cincinnati?

Do you know the history of Cincinnati and the police officers and the blacks there? Don't go there now. Oh, yes, I do. Oh, yes. Okay. I don't want to get into no history. I know. Okay.

Oh, I know. I know. But I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Listen. I don't want to get into no history. I know. Okay. Oh, I know. I know. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying, listen, I like fighting a good fight. Stay with me real quick. Listen to what I say real quick. Yeah.

I normally don't like to go into politics. Yeah. But the civil rights movement, history always repeats itself. Now, I love the good fight and I love to be a part of the good fight. Yes. The problem is the people you need to swing at

and the people you need to touch are untouchable. You get where I'm going with this? No, we just... Hey, look, we understand. We got to do... We're going to do a better job because my job is

as a person that has a little power, a little thing, is to employ people that look like me and then hopefully they become big enough, they leave me and have their own company

and hire more people that look like us. And to continue to keep that chain of us putting each other up. Yes, yes. Yeah. I mean, my thing is, Ocho, I try to collab like Gil. Yeah.

Because I offer to pay Gil. Gil said, nah, I just want to be up because I see what you're doing and I want you to show me how you're doing it. Right, right. A lot of times I've tried to partner with people. They're like, nah, nah, we good. Okay, you're doing, and I want you to show me how you're doing it. Right, right. A lot of times, I've tried to partner with people. They're like, nah, nah, we good. Okay, you're good.

I ain't been, I'm not finna beg somebody to try to give them information, Ocho, when they're unwilling to accept it. Right, right. Because, you know, oh, he think he Joe Rogan. Oh, he think. Right, right. Say no more thing. I'm not finna argue with you.

You said no, I'm good. Yeah. You know what? You know what I would love to do? Speaking of collabing and speaking of I wish I was able to show my range. Like I know people see people see me and it's, you know, the funny guy, fun guy. Yeah. Having fun.

But there's a serious side of me as well. One that I don't show very often. I would love to talk politics. I would love to talk race and religion and all this stuff, but that's really never been my stink. That's never been my niche, you know? I wish I could talk politics like Roland Martin.

I wish I could talk politics like a Don Lemon or a Mark Lamont Hill. I would love to be able to say, to show that range, be on a platform, and actually sit there and break things down but i can't i mean i can but i don't want to because i understand that's a battle where there's

no win because it's always back and forth it's always it's always tug and pull back and forth back and forth and there's never there's never never a solution because we're still fighting the same fight eons, years later. Well, I think the biggest thing is, Ocho, is that right now people are dug in on their sides. It's kind of like what we have right now is the Jordan-LeBron debate. You either believe it's Jordan or you believe it's LeBron. Based on preference. Right now, this is where we are.

Yeah. You got a two-party system and you believe in that no matter what happens, no matter what he does, boom. No matter what the other side, no matter what he does, no matter what he says, you believe in that. So that's, it's hard.

And when you get a person, when you get people that's so dug in on their beliefs, it ain't no moving them off that. Yeah, you can't change it. It's impossible. So what you try to do is get the people that's undecided,

you try to sway them because there are a certain group of people. When that man said he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and nothing happened, he ain't lying. Oh, yeah. And there are certain people

that vote Democrat and they're going to vote Democrat and they're not going to lie. Yeah. And so that's what we are. Hey, you know, before we go on to the next thing, I always think about it like this, right?

You have Democrats, you have Republicans, right? Yes. And you have the government. The government, to me, I believe at times it gives us the illusion that they're for the people. To me, at times it gives us, the people, an illusion that they are for us. Right.

But if you really dig into it deep and you realize there's a higher power that controls everything, that pulls the strings. There are a certain number of families, I'm not going to get too deep into it, that no matter what happens, they're only going to allow so much

freedom for us. Only so much. And every time they give you a little bit, and what we do, oh, we get hyped, we get happy, because they move the inch, they move the bar just a little bit. Just a little bit.

And just a little bit. And then, as in, what's going to happen at one point, and you'll see, I'm not sure when it will happen, history will start to repeat itself. Certain laws that were put in place will be taken away. Little by little. Matter of fact, if you don't pay attention, if you don't pay

attention, you won't even notice it's happening, but they're going to pull it right from the front of the rug. But that's what's going on. Oh, so you know, you know? Yeah. Okay. I just, I don't want to make this a political debate, but okay. Well, I mean, everybody saw that. You see what happened with Roe v. Wade. Oh, yeah.

You see how they tried to do away with affirmative action. You see all the things that they're trying to implement. But here's the thing. The government can't be for the people if there are people that have power that can sway it. It's really that simple. Come on, man. I wish it wasn't like that. Come on, man. I wish it was,

I wish it, I wish it wasn't like that. Come on, man. But you know what? Hey, we're going to have, we're going to have a nightcap after the presidential debate. We're going to have the debate cap.

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