Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ohio State wins Cotton Bowl, Beck commits to Miami, Kyren Lacy wanted

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Ryan Day and Ohio State defeating Steve Sarkisian and Texas in the College Football Playoff semifinal facing Notre Dame in the National Championship game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss ex-Georgia QB Carson Beck committing to Miami less than 24 hours after entering the transfer portal, former LSU wide receiver Kyren Lacy is wanted for negligent homicide and felony hit-and-run and much more.03:20 - Show start03:30 - Intro05:52 - Ohio State v Texas25:21 - Carson Beck commits to Miami32:46 - ESPN polled scouts/execs for top qb in draft43:35 - Kyren Lacey wanted for negligent homicide52:15 - NFL All Pro Team announced1:05:42 - Mike Evans and Marshon Latimore(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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forced fumble, scooped it up. And then guess what? He took off any that basically ice the ball game as they win 28 to 14. Oh Joe. Yeah. We're having, we're having a lot of fun. Look here. I don't look, cause you and I, we don't really sit down and break down them to evaluate players properly.

But I know my eyes tell me. Talk to me. For the evaluators to have Quinn viewers evaluated so high, he doesn't do anything to elevate anybody if the players around him. Yes. I mean, he's missing throws. That game, Ohio, Ohio State.

Yes. Texas. It's 14-14. The guy runs like a little square out, Ocho. He over-sales it. Bro, that's a routine throw. If you can't make that throw with no pressure, what throw can you make? Right.

It's all about the- I just look at It's average. Yeah. I mean, listen, most, most collegiate quarterbacks are average and the ones that, and the ones that aren't average on, you know what they do when you watch them on film, it pops out, they jump out. They jump out to your own film. It's no disrespect to him, but most of the collegiate quarterbacks are average.

The two that we just saw play last night are average as well. There's really nothing special about these individuals. So when their time comes, when it's time to get drafted, I'm hoping the situation is beneficial for them where there are, the supporting cast is already in place where they don't have to do much and they don't have to elevate their play to make those round them better. And I mean that in the most respectful way. Right.

It's, it's hard, Ocho, because normally when you a quarterback and you go high, you go into a team that doesn't have a whole lot of talent around it. Now everybody is not going to be CJ Stroud. Well, you have a Nico Collins, you have a Tankdale, you make a trade for Dalton show, I mean, you get Dalton shows in free agency. Uh, you have Noah Brown and guys that played well for you. That's normally not the case. Every once in a while you get that you'll get a situation where Andrew love and he had a rigid Wayne.

But for the most part, Ocho, you know, there's a reason why you lost all those day of games, cause you don't have a plethora of talent to try it out there. Go ahead. And then there's another example you can use as well. Uh, Jake Daniels, James Dave from LSU and going to, going to the commanders who were bad, but also had a support, a very, very good supporting cast, Terry McLaurin, uh, that curse is tied in Naomi, Naomi Brown. Yep.

Yep. Well, butchered his first name, but you know, he's fortunate, so I'm hoping whenever his time comes, you know, you got the hope. You got the hope to go to a place where they have the help around you, where you can grow at the position, because right now, based on what I saw tonight,

uh-uh. He's a, you say average, I think he's slightly below. He made some... No, no, no, no real talk. I'm not going to beat him up too bad because he is a 19, 20-year-old kid. He's not a professional, although he's making $3, $4 million in NIL money, so he's paid. So theoretically, he should be a professional. But that not with...

Oh, he's 20. He's about to be... He's almost 22. That not withstanding, Ocho. I thought the situation. Sorry. That last the onset was that second down. He made a toss. Why are you talking to me? Ohio State is loaded with speed. You're not getting to the edges on them. The one thing we know about Ohio State, name the person that's come out of Ohio State in the last decade that can't run. Exactly.

I'm talking about, it doesn't matter the position. I'm talking about O-line, D-line, linebackers, DBs, wide receivers, whatever. They can, all of them, they got one of the best speed programs in college football. Go ahead. But this is what you got to do, huh? In that case, you can't run downhill. The game is one in the trenches. Obviously, throughout the entirety of the game, it was a battle up front.

Yes. On both sides of the ball. So you know you can't run downhill. So if you can't run downhill and you can't toss, and the passing game wasn't what we're used to seeing from both teams. It wasn't what we're used to seeing. So what teams. It wasn't what we're used to seeing. So what do you do? You gotta try something.

Look, Ocho, you gotta think about it. Ocho, they had to, they got passing ends on passing affairs. Passing ends on passing affairs. Damn! You had two chances. Yes! You had two chances where you gotta resetting downs and you got closer to the goal line

and that Ohio State defense. I would've tried it. I would've tried it, Ocho. I know the first place, resetting down and you got closer to the goal line and that Ohio State defense. I would have tried. I know the first place, but I would have tried one more time to run it straight ahead, but not just right into the line. I mean, damn, but I'm not tossing that ball wide. They got too much speed and they're really good tackles. I mean, if I'm not mistaken, I think I only counted like maybe one missed tackle, maybe two at the most from Ohio State.

When they arrived, the guys get, he's going down on the ground. They do a great job of their very sudden. They're very well coached, but they can run. Like I said, go back and look at their DBS that come out. They run for three. Go look at the wide receivers. They're four, three, they're low for four. Look at the D like burning ghost and then his side.

Now he couldn't play dead in a horror movie, but he was a hell of a football player at Ohio State. He could run four or five at his side. Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson, number one overall, a damn near 300 pounds ran four or seven. They can run and especially defense. Oh Joe, they sidelined the sideline. So basically you're going to have to attack them. Have to hit a crease to try to get something.

But tossing that ball wasn't the way to go. But it just goes to show you because even on that fourth down, Ocho, they brought Arch Manning in. Can you imagine on fourth down, they bring in a quarterback in for a quarterback in the NFL. Every once in a while, you will see it. They'll come in with what? Like a wildcat formation. Right. So who does that a lot? while you will see it, like they'll come in with what? Like a wildcat formation. Right. Or you'll fit, you know, so who does that a lot?

With their- The Saints? The Saints? Oh yeah, yeah, with Taysom Hill. And sometimes they'll bring the tight end, he might, he's going in motion, and then he'll get the Ravens do a lot of that with Mark Andrews. They feel like he's going in motion,

and he'll get up and sneak it. Yeah. Quinn knew it. And I tweeted out like I think all tech UT alum will personally play for any mode of transportation to get Quinn Ewers out of Austin. Whatever you want, Uber, you want to. You won't live.

You won't train. You want a taxi. You want an airplane. They will gladly pay to get him up out of Austin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had an opportunity. Yes, they had they had moment. They were moments where yours had to step up and beat. Also, any those moments they didn't happen because look, it happened.

He didn't make the throws. He didn't make the plays that he needed to make. No Ohio State is already favored by almost 10 points. They are nine and a half point favorite over Notre Dame. And for their response that, you know, last week, Ohio State, the first two weeks, Ohio State looked unbeatable tonight. They look beatable. Now there was some opportunities.

Now, but here's the thing. Leonard might be worse than yours. So it's not like they're going to be a whole, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh Joe. Yeah. He, he, he that bad. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. If you think you're that bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He might be worse than yours. And that's saying something that says because the thing that Ohio State can do, they can get after your

quarterback with four, but they're not afraid to pressure your ass. They will bring pressure, but they are okay with four. What are they? What are they? Hold on. What's the name? I can't, JT. Just call him JT. I can't. That's the boy last night. I ain't finna mess the man name up. Oh, they better be glad he missed a portion of the game with the ankle injury because he was straight hail. Yeah, he was the one that made that on first and goal. Oh, Joe, he was the man that made the stop in the backfield. I like it. You know, he did best defensive player.

Y'all don't even block it. Right. But man, Ohio State, their favorite and rightfully so. I just feel that if they played their best football, I didn't thank anybody in the college after watching them play. I said they played their best. If everybody plays their best, Ohio State is the best team in the college football player. If they play their best, now that's a big if because you need to play your best on that particular day.

Hey, now, so how do you, how do you feel about Notre Dame? What if Notre Dame goes out there and plays their best? Now, Notre Dame is no slouch. No, there are no slouch, especially defensively. I'm excited to see, I'm sure Notre Dame, they, I think they play a little bit more man as opposed to Texas who played more zone with a two shell where Jeremiah Smith wasn't able to have the type of game you used to have like he had against Tennessee or the type of game he had against Oregon, you know, Notre Dame is going to play LeBouman.

Yeah. LeBouman, you're going to have to show us that they, I don't think they're going to stray away from what they normally do. And this game was, was, was heavily occupied by the running backs, whether it be the running game or whether it be in the past game. Yeah. And the two of the two of the tough sounds, if I'm not mistaken, running back pass out of backfield to the running back.

They were screen out the backfield and in a, in a dive play right, right up there. Yeah. No, uh, uh, you talking about for Ohio state or Texas, Ohio state. I'm sorry. Oh yeah. But don't you, that was, that was heartbreaking because you're making a seven, seven ball game and I don't you that was that was heartbreaking because you're making a 7-7 ballgame And I don't know in that situation with 20 seconds. Why would you need to get exotic?

Why would you bring pressure and drop the D and drop the wrong in that situation? You don't need to get exotic Let's just play straight coverage, right? But number four got a bit with a bad game on the back deal I'll buy yourself. Yeah, but number four has got to make that tackle. You can't throw a miss. You got to get the guy down. OK, let's have a 20 yard game. Oh, you can't let him hit his head on the goal post in that situation. You just can't. You just can't. Ohio State look. Ohio look good in Spurks.

And then Texas like, OK, Texas, you right. You right there. You right now. Yeah, they needed to get a cup, because when they stopped, when they stopped Ohio State, Texas needed to get the ball back and get some first downs. But they would go right back out there, basically go three and out and punt the wrong ball right back to Ohio State.

I'm like, what the hell? I think it might've been seven minutes on the clock and Ohio State had that long, that long 11, 12 play drive. Yes. And they were able to score. At that point, I knew it was sticking. I knew it was sticking. I knew it was gonna be sticking from that point on because now you have to step up and almost be like Pashma Holmes. Yeah. And those wins in time when the pressure's on and the throws you're going to have to make to put your team and carry them on your back it didn't happen it didn't happen the way well it did happen in the ball with the other.

But I heard the thing Ocho, even though when they made it 21-14 Texas got the ball and went right down the field. Now Ocho again see, Ocho why would the tight end do that? He makes a great play and then you pointed the guy You see oh messy that's the stuff that I'm talking about Yeah, and then he like oh what happened bro? You know you can't do that. That's all oh Joe that ain't something new That's always been in the play. Yeah. Yeah In quote in a moment man This was like I said, Ohio State. Look, they did a great job of neutralizing.

I mean, if you think about it, they did a great job of stopping the run. Twenty three carrots for 82 yards. They didn't let us run while on them like or like they ran while Oregon. They did. They did a good job. They never did. Jeremiah Smith, they didn't really. They gave up the one big play right before the half. Then, but to give them credit, that could have been a backbreaker because that took a lot of life because you had gone the entire first half with no points.

You get a touchdown with like 25, 30 seconds to go and then you kick the ball off. They take it at the end and get on the 25 and then one play there in the end zone. So that could have been a bracket breaker, but give our guys credit. They go in there, they regroup. They made it the ball game or TAA. They tied up at 14 Ohio State score touchdown late in the ball game. Oh, 21 14 Texas. Get the ball.

You always makes a couple of big throws. They're right back down the field. Yeah. Give Ohio State credit. They're right back down the field. Yeah. Give Ohio State credit. They said, okay, you down here, now what you gonna do? You ain't done anything until you get the ball into the end zone.

Yeah. Until you get out of that, that's fine. And I know I saw UT fans, they're going crazy. The born, the burnt orange and white, they're going crazy. Cause that's the cotton ball. You're in Dallas, Texas. There are a lot of guys in Texas that went to UT.

Ohio State, say, bro, until you get this ball in the end zone, I don't know what y'all jumping up and down for. Right. Watch this. First down, second down, second and go over to lose three yards. Fourth. Yeah, I'm like, listen, hey, period, period. Penalties kill both of these teams. Penalties, a lot of penalties,

in some of the first half, some in the second half. And I think the momentum is, specifically Ohio State, it was in the first half. Yeah. Where I think they could have gone up another, but they got a penalty back in my 15 yards. And every time they got that 15-yard penalty,

there was really, again, like we fussed about last night, we talked about being able to get 20 yards in one shot in one play. Look how difficult it was for them to recover on both sides of the ball, Texas too and Ohio State. But once they got them 15-yard penalty, it was impossible. The playbook shrinks significantly because there's only so many plays you can call,

they actually get it first down. You try to get it in taunts, but it is damn near impossible based on all so many plays you can call, they actually get the first down. You try to get it in taunts, but it's damn impossible based on all the deep of the plays you can call to prevent it from happening. But the thing is, Ocho, is like a lot of times like when you get it like okay you get a big play and you get in this first down and they call it back so now it's all of a sudden it's going to be first and 10 or first and 25. You just try to get 10 of it back. You don't try to get it all back. You just try to get it.

So now let's make it second and 15. Okay, let's get seven, eight yards. Now we got something that we could do with, deal with. It's just hard to consistently pick up third and long. You start getting to third and eight, nine, 10, 15. You might get one or two again, but the likelihood of you making a living, picking up that kind of distance is not very good.

Um, but like I said, we'll Howard 24, 33, two 89, one touchdown, one intercession, bro, bro, you got, does not, anybody not see that buzz lineback. That's what I just wanted to do. Does anybody see that? On a deep curl. But you have to think about it. What I think he thought is with that play action fake, once you go down there and you draw them linebackers up,

I don't think he expected a linebacker to be the drop. That goddamn deep. Yes. Like that curl, I'm talking about that on, that was a deep curl. That was about 18 to 20 yards. The reason why the guy dropped, because he don't have any run responsibility.

So if I ain't got no run responsibility, why I give a damn if he play faked it? That ain't my job. Offensive line and the backbacker got that. I got buzz. Guess what I got? I got flat to hook. So guess what I'm gonna do, Ocho?

Ain't nothing to thirt me in the hook. And then flat, let me get my ass in this hook, Rob. But you know, one thing about it, and I think it comes obviously with chemistry and timing and then actually the quarterback and the receiver being on the same page. The NFL, something like that, that same play. If you want to play inside the hook, I mean, I'm going to come right on around that. Yeah. And the quarterback won't be able to see that, but he's going to see that

backer dropping into the hook and wait for the receiver to come right off his ear hole and throw the ball right off his ear hole. Right. Just come on back. Just come on back down to the ball. But you know, in college, they don't really get that intricate like that. Basically I'm not reading it because he's coming straight back to the ball. So I'm thinking the quarterback seeing the guy up underneath me, he don't even jump to throw me the ball because you need something to like threaten him to the flat to make him get wide.

All I need is a crease. They can get wide, but now nobody gets wide. He's going to drop straight back to that hook the curl, whatever y'all, whatever they call it. He's there. I'm like, bro, same thing happened last night. Notre Dame, when he got the pig, bro, did y'all not see that man buzzed that? What do y'all look at?

Do y'all not see that? buzz that? What do y'all look at that? Do y'all not see that? I mean, I see it. Plus, Ocho, he stared him down too. Yeah. He stared him down. You know, it's funny if I think even if he didn't stare him down, if he did, which is Paul Drew as a quarterback, you get that ball after that play, and you look down the barrel of the safety in the middle of the field, the backer would still be in that goddamn lane. Yeah, because he got, he got, he hooked the curl.

He got that, Ocho. That's his only responsibility. Son, guess what? Man, if he run an overroute, that's not your responsibility. If they run the ball, that's not your responsibility. What is your responsibility? You let him catch that hook, the curl, and the coach gonna cut your ass out

because you got one responsibility. You got flat the hook. Right. That's your responsibility. It was a good game. Yeah, it was a good game. It was a good game. Could have been better had you played better. Hey, it's Bobby Bones.

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Beck will reportedly make $4 million from the Hurricanes in the transport portal, landing him among the highest paid players in college football. Beck's girlfriend, Hannah Cavender, is a star of Miami's women's basketball player alongside her twin sister, Haley. Hannah makes nearly $1 million in NIL money. They must not saw Carson Beck. I didn't want to say nothing. I didn't want to say anything, but Carson Beck looks the way he does because of his supporting cast. Look what he had. Look what he had surrounding him at Georgia. And they ain't got that at UM. I mean, I mean, listen, now we have some dogs. Y'all got some good players, but y'all ain't got the five star like Kirby guy.

No, we ain't got nothing like that. But we do have some guys that can make some plays. I will tell you that it's not the it's not the hurricanes of the old. Well, no matter what position you go to, we talk about first rounders, you know, five stars. I mean, we don't have that, but we got some animals. It's still Miami, it's still the hurricanes. So again, now Beck is going to have to come in, he's going to have to improve,

he's going to have to improve and do some of the things that Cam Ward was able to do. Cam Ward was able to elevate the players around him because special, he was that good. So I mean, people are going to understand, Carson Beck, you're going to understand, you're going to have to play Beck. You're going to understand. You're going to have to play better.

You're going to have to you're going to have you're going to have to play better. I'm just trying to figure out what your turnover machine. Did they not see him last year? I mean, really, I'm not I'm I'm being truthful. I'm being very, very truthful. Did did they not see his body of work last season? Yeah. If you, excuse me, if you saw his body of work,

look, I don't begrudge anybody getting that money, but if they giving money out like that, hey, I'm about to have me another kid. Hey, hey, you could be some butt sauce to get a million. If you halfway good, you sauce to get a million. If you halfway good, you get two and a half. If you damn good, you gonna get four to six. Yeah, yeah. Especially, especially you played the quarterback position.

I'm like, damn. I hate Miami. Hey, the hurricanes are the hurricane. I'm just saying maybe they didn't, and he's coming off an injury. He hurt his elbow. I don't know if it's significant he's gonna have to have surgery.

Maybe rest will heal it, but oh, chogi. And again, he was another one. Oh, he come out and he gonna be the top five pick. Quinn Ewers, he's ready better than Shanoor. He's ready to hit. I'm like, damn. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, slow down, slow down.

I'm just telling you where the evaluators had it. I ain't have him there. Well, listen, whoever the evaluators are, they need to get the eye check. Oh, he had surgery. He had surgery on his elbow. Yeah, okay. Listen, if they still gave him the money,

the extent of the injury and the timetable it takes for him to heal and recover and get better I'm assuming he will he will be fine. Wait is it just throwing hands? Yes. Yes it is. Miami needs to fix their defense though. Yeah. That's what they need to fix. Yeah. It's hard I mean mean, and, and because one turnover probably is going to doom you. And you saw that time and time again, Ken Ward played really, really well. Uh, if he turned the ball over one time, it probably was going to end up causing them to gain. Yeah. Cause the other team is going to score. They're going

to go down and score. And that's the thing. And so that's what they got to Miami. That's what the Cain need to get. They need to get some defensive help. They need to get some guys in the Porter to come play defense for now. I don't know if all the guys that are coming back. I know Cam Ward is leaving. I don't know how many of those receivers are coming back. I mean, they had a tight end that was a. A year, a year, like 30. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, they're playing with kids. Yeah, he only he could like 30. He out there playing with kids.

Yeah. He the only one that could go buy beer. And you know, when you were in college, you had that one old guy that see you, that could go buy beer, and he was the guy that was in charge. Charging in the beer. Yeah.

But man, look, back,o, four million, Ocho. And that was quick because he just put his name in the portal, what, yesterday? Yeah. And here he is, he's already got a team lined up. But you already know what that means. Yeah. You know, things going on behind the scenes,

things were going on behind the scenes, conversations were being had already prior to, which is why everything was able to unfold that damn fast. Yeah. But the plus the thing is, he saw the writing on the wall. He saw the writing on the wall because he didn't play as well this year as he played last year. And this ain't no college football. It used to be OK. Yeah, you came.

You committed to us and, you know, you a sophomore. So we're going to give you a junior year. If you're a junior, we'll give you a junior year if you're a junior will give you a senior that that ain't it no more and the way they got it set up now with this NIL bro you own you own scholarship semester to semester it's all it normally was like year to year old Joe you signed basically with a contract for one year at a time. Now that thing's semester to semester. It's too much money involved, it's too competitive. And guys like, hey,

coaches are kind of like handcuffed, Ocho. Cause you bench a guy, oh, he jumped in the portal on you. He gone. And he a five star, he gone find a place to land, Ocho. He a four or five star? And you gotta understand, most of the time, sometimes you have five stars that don't play like five stars. That's why they sitting on the bench.

But here's the thing though, Ocho, here's the difference. The other team, when they jumping that portal, they realized he was a five star and they wanted him. So now I'm gonna pay 200,000, 300, 400,000, whatever it takes to get. They put him in my program because I wanted him before he went to where he went to. That's the same thing with Beck. I don't know what Beck was, but in order to get that kind of money, somebody had to have wanted it. Yeah. Obviously. And he did play quarterback at the top at you know at UGA

That's one of the premier programs in all the college football So he was the starting quarterback Ocho for two years, right? And was command the kind of kind of money's getting in commands and Morris Note the salary or the NIA money that he's going to get because of where he played and the success He did have despite his woes last year? Yeah, why don't you, four million dollars for him. Hey, I don't begrudge nobody getting the money. Hey, if y'all gonna pay it, I'm taking it too, cause I'm sure somebody probably say,

when I was making the money, I was made that damn he's making Shannon making that kind of money. What I'm producing. Ah, man, you know, I ain't worth that, but I ain't worth that. Hey, take some of this money back. I'm taking it. I let y'all figure it out. Be all made a mistake later. Oh, Joe, uh, EFPN repo 20 scouts and executive asked them who was the top quarterback in the 2025 draft, 2025 NFL draft. In the latest poll, Cam Ward and Shador Sanders got 11 votes. Cam Ward got nine votes.

Carson Beck, well now y'all discredited it, because Carson Beck got five and Jalen Mirrow got four and Quinn Ewers got a vote. So now since y'all done did that I don't even know what to take it I don't even know what to make of it. Exactly and listen I have a question yeah how come with the numbers of the voters the people that do the not only the all pro voting in the NFL but just the voters that did the voting in college how come we can't see exactly who they are? No, they're, they're, they're scouts.

They're scouts. They're former executive and scouts. You're not, you're not supposed to be participating in stuff like this. So that's why you got to keep it anonymity. See, I don't like that because sometimes even their, even their eye is wrong. Yeah. Even their wrong. When they judge it is wrong.

I think people in positions like that, when it comes to scouts, GMs, they should be former players at some time, or maybe former players should help consult based on certain positions that, that play the game at a high level. They should help in that area. Come on. Most of the time you look at GMs and scouts is people that never played the game. They just been around the game, you know, and they know what it what it should look like But didn't know really play position or didn't really play the sport They doing everything based off analytics or I've been around I've studied that no no

No, you know you you have players that have played the game that can tell you now despite what it may look like Y'all you also have to take into account look at the competition you playing against That's why you know, whoever it may be exhibit a may look that goddamn good But look what happens he disappeared against better competition, right? So what's gonna happen even plays it NFL? I don't know. There's so many different variables that go into it. I would love to get into scouting No like that when it comes to looking at receivers. Nevermind. You know how much time you gotta put in to do that,

don't you? Oh, I already know. I already know. Yeah, exactly. You write what you're supposed to be. Yeah, I know it's me, but I like the part about, I like the part about watching films, studying films. You like the thought,

you like the thought of watching films and doing all that. You don't like actually doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless I'm finna play. That man say, yeah, you know, the thought of just looking at that tape and what? I, you know what, despite what you may think,

you know, as far as perception and meme when it come to, you know, just doing stuff like that, now I will do it. You do it, Ojo, you do it for you because you need to know what the defense is gonna do you ain't try to look at you ain't try to look at don't just I would enjoy it though I would think I would enjoy it. Jail, what y'all think? Y'all think Ocho, y'all think Ocho wore the wife's tape? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey man, you won't believe this man tonight, man. What happened?

Oh man, man. Well listen, I almost, I almost didn't make the show, bro. I almost went to jail, bro. What happened? Man, well listen, so my daughters, my two, my two oldest, you know, they, they in town right now. I had J'Kyra and Shade. Thank you, baby. I know y'all might be now. I got Jekaira and Shade. Thank you, baby. I know y'all might be watching. I love y'all. I appreciate it.

They took me to no food for dinner, right? They took you where? No food. Okay. I've never been to restaurants, obviously those type of restaurants. So it was nice. You know, they sell sushi and stuff like that. You know, I don't, whatever.

I enjoyed it though. The ambiance was cool. The service was phenomenal. It was out there on Collins. I'm talking about no boo. I'm talking about no food. No boo. That's what I'm looking at.

I'm like, that's what I'm looking at. I said no food. I ain't never heard of that, but okay. He telling the story. It's his story. Let him tell it. You know, so you know the food I ordered, I ordered shrimp and pork rolls.

I don't like avocado, so I had them remove the avocado. I ordered a steak. I ordered a steak as well. Skirt, skirt steak. It was chopped up in half. You know, it was cool. And my daughters ordered it, but they ordered it and I tasted some of their food. Would it be my first time, you know, experiencing this restaurant?

It was cool. It was cool. It's not something that I would go to on my own. But it was their suggestion. They want to do some nights with me. So boom, I enjoy that. Boom. So I tell them I'm watching the game on my phone and the waiter keep coming trying to make sure I'm okay. I'm like, man, I'm okay, man. I'm just watching the game. So I know what to talk about tonight, you know, on nightcap. And he know, you know, man, I'm a fan of the show. I really enjoy it. I like it. You and I, you know, the chemistry of y'all are really funny, man. And so I say, cool.

So I paid the bill early, cause I know I got to leave. So by the time the third quarter hit, I jump in the car. So I jumped in the car just to make sure I made me to get here on time. I'm speeding, I'm doing about 80. I didn't realize I was doing 80.

I was doing 80 to 65. So I'm like, oh snap. Boom, the lights come on behind me. Oh Lord. Police done pulled me over, man. I put my seatbelt on. I ain't had my seatbelt on, so I like, I hurried, miscured, and you know, snuck my seatbelt on real quick, right?

So come on. Dude come to the door, he tap on the window. I roll the window down. I say, how you doing, sir? He ain't even say nothing back. I was trying to be nice. He said, papers. I said, scissors.

I said, well, hell, I was listening. So he went back to the car. Shoot, when he went back to the car, shoot, I drove off. You OK? Yeah, so I drove off. Shoot. I took off. He then came back behind me. So. I took off, he didn't came back behind me. So I'm thinking maybe he want a rematch

because he lost maybe Rock Silver. Yeah. You know, cause he talking about paper shit. I said symptoms. You okay? So I left cause he thought he lost. You right. Man, I took him all, I brought him all the way

to the house, man. He came be, drove, he followed me all the way to the house, wrote me a ticket, man. He said, you lucky I like your humor. You lucky, you lucky I like your humor, and I'm a fan of yours. And I said, man, you watched the show too? He said, yeah.

And I was trying to figure out, and he said, I left to go back to the car so I can get an autograph and a picture. I wasn't leaving, he didn't leave when I said scissors and I said, hey, I want, he didn't leave. He left to go get a paper, to go get a pen so I could sign something. But I took off and left.

I thought it was done. So he wrote you a ticket? He just wrote me, he wrote me a ticket, man. Damn. Wrote me a ticket. But it's cool, it's cool. I just, I was trying to be funny. Yeah. I was trying to be funny.

Yeah. I was trying to be funny about papers. I mean, what you... I don't joke with them. Okay. Same, registration. Registration and driver's license, please. He said papers, I said...

Okay, I think you forgot what color you are. Who? You. Oh, I'm in Miami though, I'm good. No, you're not. I'm good. Ask Tyree Hill, what you good? But that's different. Regain from here, I'm from home though. I'm good. No, you're not I'm good. That's how we heal. What you do it But that's different reading from here. I'm from home Tyree here

Do it home. Yeah, if you for home, you wouldn't got no ticket. Oh What but he had to do he had to follow me for 30 for 30 more minutes He's gonna get your escort home He's supposed to get your escort home. Hey, Ocho, check this out. A veteran scout said this is one of the weakest classes. There's not a lot of depth to it and there's not a lot of high talent players either. Ocho, do you agree with this? Absolutely not. Okay.

I can give you five. The defense in from Penn State. Abdul Carter. I can, I can, I can give you five. The defense, the defense from Penn State, Travis Hunter, high level talent, Cam Ward, high level talent. There's a D tackle. I don't know. I don't know his name off the top of my head, top of my head, high level talent, cam ward, high level talent based on the situations that the quarterback go to. They're going to be a, they're going to be fine. Now you think about, you think about the Giants are picking early.

Who else pick early? Cleveland, Raiders, Jacksonville, New England. Oh see, Jacksonville's not taking no quarterback. But here's the thing, no, but he said he's not just talking about the quarterback, he said the level of talent and the depth of talent in the class. You name five players, there's 32 drafts. It is not. Now, yeah, you, you, you, you right about that. So you agree with it. Yes, sir, I do.

So you agree with it. There's not a whole lot of high level talent and there's not a whole lot of depth. There is, there's talent in every draft. But some drafts, there's a plethora. You're going to get great value from a guy in the second or the third round. Third round. But there is talent in every draft. But some drafts, there's a plethora. You're gonna get great value from a guy in the second or the third round. Third round. But this is the thing.

This is the funny thing about it. Especially, again, with the eye test and value in talent, you never know who might be a gym that might not be seen at the high level talent right now. But all of a sudden they get to the NFL, they get into the right situation, they're used based on their strengths, you know, they're able to hide their weaknesses and use them to the best of their abilities based on where they go. All of a sudden, boom, you got a gym that comes out of nowhere that you got in the third or maybe the fourth round. When you go look at, you look at 2011, you get Cam at one, you get Vaughn at two, and you get JJ Watts, you get Cam Jordan, you get Hayward, you get, and down the line,

you go get a Richard Sherman, you get a Julio Jones, you get AJ Green, you see what I'm going, you get a Tyron Smith. Now you see where I'm going with this, say loaded, top to bottom, high level talent. This draft like that. Yeah, there are some gyms, there are some guys in here that, you know, we think are they think we think a lot of. And you're right. There's always going to be a hidden gem that doesn't get value. Don't get the great the high grade. Comes in and plays really, really well.

You like, well, damn, if we were redrafting, this guy would go higher. This guy probably be a first round pick so forth and so on but when I look at this draft I don't I don't see like whoo boy this thing hey if I miss my guy here I'm gonna get a great guy right no I think I think this draft as far as owner scouts and GMs they're gonna have to be very sure very sure on who they want and who and who they're picking and they have to be very sure, very sure on who they want and who they're picking and they have to go through film with the fine-tune comb understanding the needs that they do need and go from there.

But again, I think there are some gems, there are some names or players that might have certain issues, no character stuff, stuff off the field that are very good, that aren't getting noticed. Right. They get a chance and they get opportunity. They can surprise a lot of people. Oh Joe, we got some bad news. Former LSU wire receiver, Kyron Lacey,

is wanted for negligent homicide and a felony hit and run in a connection with a December 17th crash that killed one person and injured two others in Louisiana, according to state police. Lacey was allegedly illegally passing other vehicles at a high rate of speed by crossing the center lane, and entered an oncoming lane in a no-passing zone. A truck swerved to avoid colliding with Lacey the vehicle and vehicles behind it Collided head-on with another vehicle going in the opposite direction

Following the crash Lacey drove around the crash scene bled south on LL Louisiana highway 20 without stopping to render a call emergency services or report the involvement in the crash according to police documents. Hey, man. Ocho. Ocho. I know he know what happened to Ruggs. I know he know. He had to see that, Ocho. But I get it.

Ocho, when you young, you never think anything like this. So I can't beat him up too bad cause I've driven at a high rate of speed. Now I wasn't, you know, trying to pass on it, but I'm just going, you know, it's just, you know, oh, you know how it is, like I'm on 95 and I'm coming from Daytona, I'm going back to Savannah. So it's just two lanes and there is a median,

there is a fence. So two lanes, me and the traffic going this way. But I, you know what I'm saying? There is no possibility of another car coming this way. I was wrong. Now I don't want people to think that I'm trying to condone because I was traveling 108 miles an hour. Damn wrong.

Dead wrong. Got two tickets. Guy said I clocked you at 108 and the other guy clocked you at 92. So we got to write you two tickets. Does anybody here? Hey, they put me in the car. Oh, Joe, they like anybody here got drive.

Let's take a drive the car. Right. Hey, let me let my father one of the dudes that went to college with me. He drove the car. They told me to the police station. It's like a bond, like $1500. Right. Right. I broke that thing. Ah, ah, ah, ah. You know what I mean?

Oh Joe, I was counting money. They thought I had a money count in my pocket. Yeah, yeah. I been peeling off the button. Mm, mm, mm, mm. He like, uh, if you don't mind, what do you do? If you know, hey, I can't tell y'all. Right, right, right.

Y'all gonna keep me here longer. Right. Y'all might break the door, just sniff the car. I can't tell y'all. Y'all gonna keep me here longer. Y'all might break the door, just sniff the car. I can't tell you what I do. But you have no opportunity to get up out of here. But guys, you guys just be careful. And I know, Ocho, when you young, you believe you are invincible,

especially if you're an athlete. Now, like I said, we've been athletes our whole life, Ocho, so you know how we think Hold on you gotta you gotta you gotta add the other element to it now Yeah, not only do you think you're invincible when you when you're athlete when you're a good athlete at that you in college You're on top of the world. But let's add this is the other element that makes it even that much more dangerous Money. Oh,. Now money. Oh, now they got money.

So once you add the money to it, now you really feel you're invincible and you're not thinking right. You're not in your right state of mind. So some of the things that you do when you are young, driving fast, drinking, clubbing, having a good time, feeling that you are invincible in certain situations when normally in your right state of mind, when you're older and get a little bit more experienced you're not thinking about that stuff you know but now you get to sit back you know that career might be over huh no it all depends maybe it's the first time

offense he's young I was just reading his report. I don't know if we're going to talk about it, that Henry rugs is eligible for parole in August of 26, 26 years of age. Yeah. Uh, and a situation like this, Ocho, what it gets you is that you fail to render aid. You failed a call because you haven't, you haven't, the definition of a crime is an act or failure to act where there's a responsibility to act. Mm hmm. You in this situation, you got a responsibility now and you neglected his responsibility. Right. A call. Amen.

Even if you don't know, if you just call now, what you should have done is stop, try to call now. And what a what's the emergency? Oh, there's a serious car accident that happened, blah, blah, blah. I ain't telling you nothing. I'm gonna get me an attorney. I'm gonna call my attorney. As soon as I get the phone with you,

I'm calling the attorney, hey man, this is bad accident and I was involved. So I'm probably gonna keep my mouth shut, but I'm just letting you know. Yes, sir. That's just thinking like that, just thinking. But in a situation like that, Ocho, guys, we gotta just be smart.

And I get it. I was young. I ain't fit to sit here. I ain't fit to beat the man up too much because I've done some things that I look back at it like, boy, whoo, boy, Mary Porter. Know she was a God fearing woman and she laid some prayers down

because ain't no way some situations that I was in, a lot of stuff. I told y'all some of the situations. There's some situations there. The aid, she had to go out aid ahead my casket go hey oh Joe they might have to have my casket on the forklift cuz all these stories that I'm gonna take with me go make it real heavy okay I can't get really big so I think you just you know what Shannon just go on and take that with you

but you guys we just got to be careful. Come on. I, the family that that lost loved one loved one and the injured, the injured part is, you know, your heart goes out and you empathize with them because this is something that could have been prevented. This is, this is not a tire blew out. Oh, Joe, you know what I'm saying? This is not a deer jumps out in the road or something like that. This was, and most accidents are human error Right. This was human error. Yes, and it could have been prevented. But like I said, oh Joe, I've been young and

I Just I just feel bad cuz that's a heavy that's a heavy burden to bear on Joe You know that you call someone to have to get that knock on the door and tell them they that family may come in home You're responsible that that's that's that's all you broke Yeah, and so guys we just got a beauty got to be smarter and try not to put ourselves in those situations things are gonna happen But you know accident no, no, that's irresponsibility. Yeah, most definitely. And one thing about that man upstairs where you're not moving the way you should move

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The quarterback, the first team quarterback Lamar Jackson. Yes, sir. It's hard to see a scenario where the first team all pro quarterback. Doesn't win MVP. I can't recall a situation where that's happened. If you go back, you look at over the last decade plus, every quarterback that's been the first team all pro, not MVP, normally, like I said, especially if the quarterback is going to win the award.

Now there's a situation that Peyton was the first team quarterback, but Adrian Peterson won the award. We believe, you and I believe, that a quarterback is going to win the award. You went Josh, I went Lamar. I think Lamar is going to win the award. It's going to be hard for him to be, hold on. If Josh Allen is the MVP, he should have been first team all team quarterback, correct?

Yeah. And because Lamar is the first team, so that's where I think it's going to go. But let's go ahead and run through it. Saquon, first team running back. Patrick Richard, Ricard is the first team fullback. Brock Bower is the first team all pro, tight end. You had two unanimous selections at wide receiver,

both former Tigers. Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson. The slot is Amon Ross St. Brown. Left tackle, for the first time we've had it. He was a right all pro right tackle and he's been an all pro left tackle. That's Tristan Worth. Tristan Worth.

Tristan Worth, yeah. Left guard, Joe Tuni. Center, Creed Humphrey, right guard Quinn Menerez, Bronco and right tackle is Pene Sewell. Yeah. Now Sewell is the one that surprised me cause I kind of thought they would go with Lane Johnson. Right.

Cause Lane has had a hell of a season. The first team all pro defense, Miles Garrett, Trey Hendricksons are your edge. Cam Hayward and Chris Jones are your interior. Zach Braun, Fred Warner are your inside linebackers along with Roquan Smith. Pat Surtain had 49 of the 50 votes. Darrell Stingley Jr. Marlon Humphrey is the slot corner. Kerry Joseph is the safety along with Xavier McKinney. Now, High Passer Tan is not unanimous. Right.

There's always one oddball, huh? There's always one oddball, always. That's why I said the people that do the boating they need to be revealed. They need to be revealed and who was You got 49 boats. Who's the oddball? You know what that remind me of remember that episode of Martin? Yeah, we're cold Martin You know they were deliberating on the on the guilty somebody being guilty for something that you remember the episode

Oh kept saying innocent. Yeah Oh man, it's just that's what reminds of, but one of the things I like, who was the other corner on the other side? Derrick Stingley Jr. Hey, Stingley's the real deal. Oh yeah, for sure, he had the unbelievable season. Yes. I'm glad, I'm glad he's getting the recognition that he deserves for the way he's been playing, not just this year, last year as well. Derek is very, very good. Very good. Uh,

S E C S E C S E C. So you had Brock Biles, S E C chase S E C Jefferson S E C. You got miles Garrett S E C. You got Chris Jones S E C. You got real corn Smith S.E.C. Jefferson, S.E.C. You got Miles Garrett, S.E.C. You got Chris Jones, S.E.C. You got Ro Kwon Smith, S.E.C. You got Pat Sertan, S.E.C. You got Derek Stingley Jr., S.E.C. You got Marlon Humphrey, S.E.C.

You got Xavier McKinney, S.E.C. But the S.E.C. ain't the conference. I missed something, but that's okay. Who else? Okay, that's it. I don't know what's exactly wrong Who else? OK, that's it. I don't know what's what's that wrong with Wisconsin. So he ate it. Brian Warner with the BYU cam with the I think Cam Hayward with the Pittsburgh.

Trey Hendricks about I'm not familiar with. He went to school. I know Miles with the A&M. Creed Humphrey with the Oklahoma, didn't he? I think Creed Humphrey went to Oklahoma. So he might be another SEC guy. Yeah. So you got one, two, three, four, four, you're 12 offense, uh, in the SEC and you got Chris Jones, you got miles Garrett, you got Roquan Smith, Patsy or tan, uh, Derek Stingley, Jr, Marlon Humphrey, Xavier McKinney. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven of the 12 all pro defense, SEC. Just, you know, is it, is it, is it really the conference or is it the player?

They just so happen to play for collegiate teams in the SEC. Why you think they go there? You ain't going to, you're not going to Georgia and Alabama and Texas and you're going to be a Rhodes Scholar. You're going to go to the NFL. I A&M to be a Rhodes Scholar. You're going to go to the NFL. I'm just gonna be 1000 with you. That's why you go to those schools.

The same reason they put Ohio State. Yeah. What am I going to Ohio State for? Yeah. Maybe if I go to Stanford, man, I shall hope it. But I'm really thinking about, I would be a finance, I'm gonna be econ, I'll be something like that. You go there, you know what you're thinking about.

Yeah, most definitely. Cause them culture gonna tell you, son, you're not here on an academic scholarship. You're not here in the band. You're here to play football. Yeah. That's what Coach David should tell us all the time. Son, I saw your grades you couldn't get a present

But this is new normal indication Yes, sir, the first team are pro quarterback Yeah, and we think that's gonna be little my Lamar is the first. And I said it is a tough decision. Oh, Joe, I voted for this award for a decade. We took it very, very seriously. That's what really, you know, you watch all the games and it plus like when you're in studio, they got it. So you're watching all the game and you watch you taking notes and you're watching

all live play and you're watching D line play and you're watching all of this because you got to vote for it, because you got to vote for the all pros And it's just not like the pro bowl where you just vote for conference You're voting for the best player at said position regardless of conference. And so uh It looks like Lamar Jackson is gonna be a back-to-back MVP That's what it's looking like the writing on the lot wall If I'm reading the tea leaves correctly correctly and I read at a really good level, maybe not pronounce all the words correctly, but I read at a good level.

Right. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to be happy for Lamar. Obviously with, with my bangles being out, my hope, my hope for Lamar is it can, is to do what he's done in the regular season, but carry that same magic in the postseason. Carry that same magic in the postseason. As much as I love my Bengals, as much as I am who they from head to toe, if there is a team out there that I would love to host at Lombardi,

it's not the team itself, what it would be for Lamar. It would be for Lamar to actually win that Lombardi trophy just to get that monkey off his back. He got to, Ojo. Just so we, in the elite company, know with very few that have done it. So that pressure that haunts him, especially in the postseason, is gone. It's no longer there. Yeah. So he's talked about in the class of with the elites,

obviously being a three-time winner. The Mahomes, the Bradys, the Mannings, the Joe Montanas, the guy that's won multiples. Right. Because he's the only multiple that doesn't have a Super Bowl. Now, he's 28. He got years to go. But, and that's the thing that people don't, I'm not saying that his career, have a that doesn't have a Super Bowl. Now he's 28. He got years to go, but yeah.

And that's the thing that people don't, I'm not saying that his career, cause his career by no, by no stretch. Would be a disappointment. Uh, it would be, I think it'd be disappointing. It wouldn't be a failure because if you got three or four MVP and you got no Super Bowls, come on now, let's be real. Let's be fair. This is disappointing, but it's not a failure. No, hell no.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. MVP's, man, that means you the best. That means you want, he got three. Now he get a couple of Super Bowls, we gotta start talking about this man as a top five quarterback. Absolutely, absolutely. You gotta start talking about it.

So right now, top five, no matter how you slice it, you gotta say Brady, you gotta say Montana, you gotta say Mahone. It doesn't matter though. We know Brady got all the, you know, he got three MVPs, five Super Bowl MVPs, he got seven Super Bowls, so he has to be one. But Joe and Patrick Mahone,

Patrick Mahone need one more playoff win, and he would tie Joe for the second most wins in for a quarterback in playoff history. Yeah. So this is where Lamar Jackson, you would have to see and a guy that many thought he needed to be a wide receiver, many thought he needed to be a running back. The guy that said he couldn't do what he couldn't do what he couldn't do. Somehow he's turned himself into a three time league MVP and a potential Super Bowl winner. There's nothing else you can say.

And that is my argument. And why I say what I said earlier, my little spiel, when it comes to scouts, talking about this week's, this draft coming up, now there are no talents like Lamar Jackson was when he was coming out of Louisville. Because the fact that those watching, that is supposed to be professionals that are going back to owners and G and then telling them who's what and who's who.

This is the eye. Your eye tells you that the individual should play running back. Your eye tell you that this individual should go play receiver. All of ours doing is what he did at Louisville. And when he won this husband, you tell me what he's not doing. He threw for 3,500 yards in about 12, 13 games. He rushed for 13, 14, 1500 yards. So tell me what he's doing different now than what he did at Louisville

when he won the, when he won the husband. Nothing he's he's improved. And he's a better throw the ball. That's no, that he is. But before Ocho, before this Renaissance, they would have moved Lamar Jackson or he'd had to go to Canada like Warren Moon. Warren Moon, Doug Flutie, Kurt Warner.

Yeah, he'd have moved it. There are a lot of guys that had the ability, but oh no, you black quarterback, you know, he, he was, yeah, that's, that's athletic. That athletic, yeah, that stigma was heavy, boy. Matt, in my view, that stigma is still there. Yeah. It's still there.

You know, it's the elephant. Now everybody looking for the athletic quarterback. Cause the game has changed. The game itself has changed offensively. You know, they don't want statues anymore. Now they, you can be a statue, but if you're a statue, you gotta be that much more special, especially when it comes to your arm strength

and your arm talent. Today Lane Johnson Locker had a statue comparing his stats to Penai Sewell's season after Johnson was voted second team all pro. Basically it said sacks allowed allow Lane Johnson allowed zero sack. So allowed one quarterback hits. Lane allowed one school allowed five quarterback hurries. Johnson nine.

So 22 pressures allow Johnson 10. So 48 pass block win rate. Lane won 94% of his. Sewell 91%. Allen rate 75%. He was 1. Sewell 55%. He was 58. Quarterback time to throw 3.13 seconds. Sewell 2.13 seconds. So 2.79 seconds. Run block win rate, 80%. So was it rain? Team rushing yards, 3,048. For the Eagles, 2,488 for Sewell. Yeah. So in other words, his teammates say,

bro, that should have been you. Yeah, most definitely. But you know, it's hard to argue too. Penaisu is the real deal. Oh yeah, for sure. Letting them listen. Lane Johnson is the real deal. Now when you want to get the nitpicking

and picking them apart, you do things like that by putting the numbers in someone's locker, a little bit more motivation. He gonna get fired up, he gonna dominate somebody. Yeah, listen, we know about two kids. I feel sorry for, who they playing? They playing Green Bay. Boy, I feel sorry for that. Oh yeah, most definitely. We're talking about the two best right Tigers in the game. Yes. Two best right Tigers in the game and you close your eyes, you

put on a blindfold and you can pick either one. They're gonna get the job done. Yep. They're gonna get the job done. So it had to be somebody and, you know, congratulations to the Pene, you know, and Lane Johnson, no need to hang your head. You know who he is. We know who you are. Mike Kemp has admitted before his first meeting with Marshawn Latimer earlier this season

that he hasn't done a good job of controlling his emotion against his nemesis. The books receiver has let the now commander's cornerback get up on his kid. Evans was ejected once and has served a two one game suspension for his actions against Latimer while losing more than a hundred thousand in fines. Latimer warned Evans this week that Evans is going to know he's there. Evans admit he's got to be disciplined. I just got to, I just got to be at my best. I've got to give my best because he's a really good player.

Obviously we've had a lot of good matchups. If he's playing, I look forward to the matchup. Yeah, I love that. I love that. I love the fact that Latimore came out and said, you won know I'm here. You gonna know I'm here. That mystique, the mystique that they provided us, the entertainment that provided us when they had those matches between the Saints and the goddamn Bucks. That was what we as fans, me now being a fan of the game, we need that. Yeah. I need that.

I'm excited for it. I'm going to be tuned in. I'm going to have my popcorn ready. If I was Latimore, what I would do, I would tell my team's coordinator, listen, wherever Levin goes, whether he goes to the left, whether he goes to the right, if he goes to the slot, I'm following him everywhere on the field. I mean, that's just me. That's just me.

But that matchup, it could be very exciting. I'm not sure if it will be as exciting as it was as it once was when they were the same when it was the Saints and the Bucks but it's going to be a good matchup whenever they whenever those two are lined up against each other and Latimer will probably be a man to man he'll probably be a man to man so it'll be dope. I'm really excited. Again Evans, Latimer can do everything he can to get under Evans skin. He can do everything he can. If it comes to pushing and shoving and you know, a little holler, a little cussing, you know, maybe it that's fine.

It's the playoffs and boy you got to get at it. And I'm right in front. Mike Evans has to understand this is finality. There ain't no next week. Okay. Y'all come to Tampa. We got to go to New Orleans. You lose this game.

You go at home, but you don't want to lose this game because you didn't control your emotions and you got tossed and you left your teammates high and dry. You gotta be smart. Yeah. You, yeah. Oh Joe, you know, he goes, first of all, you know, he going to shove you. You know, he's going to get up and try to put his acorns on your helmet. You already know he gonna do stuff.

Oh, I'm doing everything I can to get up under his skin. And guess what? I might get up and I might clench your hand. So you better bow your fist up because if your hand flat, I'm gonna step on you. Right. Yeah. Remember what I said yesterday about the NFL,

the memo that the NFL posted? Yes. That they put out. Again, within the game, have fun within the game, understand the rules, be able to control your emotions. At the end of the day, have fun. Yeah. You, you got to have fun.

You know, it's still footballing the day. You don't have to do anything special. It just, it's another game with implications and the stakes are a little bit higher. Yeah. That's all. And, uh, you know, Ocho, you make a play, don't, hey, don't do nothing at the sideline.

Don't taunt. Don't taunt. Yeah, don't, hey, don't get no unsportsmanlike conduct. Don't get no taunting penalties. Hey, hey, what's the game over? You can do all you wanna do. Talk your trash, point. Matter of fact, go to the middle of the field, step on the logo, do all that.

Do all that. But I'm not going to do anything that's going to potentially cause my cause my team 15 yards cause now all of a sudden I put them in field goal range. Oh, Joe, now I'm sort of give them an extra set of downs. I'm not going to do anything like that, but I do not want that burden on me. Yeah, I don't. But it's going to be a me. Yeah. I don't. But it's going to be a good matchup.

I don't know how healthy Marsha Latimer is. Mike Evans is extremely healthy. And I think both of these guys are looking for this matchup. Oh, yeah. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays out. Because you look, it doesn't matter. If I don't like you, it doesn't matter. You went to another team.

I still don't like you. It wasn't a uniform. I didn't like it with your monkey. You know, and those who are one of the few battles outside of Odell, Odell Beckham and Josh Norman, Michael Crabtree and Akid Tlaib. And these two, it's personal. Yeah. It's personal.

They really don't like each other. When you think, it ain't just football. No, it ain't just football. Right. It ain't just football. I think if they would see each other in public, you already know what time it is. It's a situation, Ochoa, where it's easier to have these kind of rivals when you in the same division. Right. Latimore and Tampa, you know, Latimore and Tampa are in the

same division. So we saw each other two times a year. Sometimes you might see each other a third time. The Raiders and the Broncos were in the same division. Right. So we're going to see you home and away. So it's easier to kind of, and that, you know, rivalry, it's easy when you're Pittsburgh and Baltimore. They're in the same division. Washington and Dallas, the Giants and the Eagles, you're in the same division. So where you going?

Yeah, you right. You know what? I just, I forgot about another one. We talk about things being personal where it's outside of football. And they really on that. Listen, Levi Jones, remember the left tackle, our left tackle for the, Levi Jones, remember the left tackle, our left tackle?

Yeah. For the Levi Jones and Joey Porter. Oh boy. Man, Peezy got, Peezy had it in for everybody. Man, listen, I'm know this, hey, they were, they worse than Lattimore, them. They fight on the field. They see each other in the club. They, they brawling. They saw each other, they brawling. I'm talking to my uncle. I think still to this day, I think they haven't resolved those issues. Probably not.

Oh, come on, man. Listen, it was, it was a joy to watch some boys go at it though, man. On the field. Well, every DB Smitty hated Steve Smith Sr. He hated everybody. Smitty ain't like nobody. Hey, he wasn't there to make no friends either. No, no, no. Hey, he wasn't there to make no friends either. No, no.

Now he ain't there to make no friends? Nah, nah. Spinning the same. You know what you're going to get. If he rock with you, he rock with you. If he don't, he don't. And don't fool with it. And he going to let you know he don't fuck with you.

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