Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: OSU/Michigan melee, Texas headed to SEC championship, Andrew Luck Stanford GM

Episode Date: December 1, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the post-game fight breaking out after Sherrone Moore and the Michigan Wolverines upset Ryan Day and the #2 Ohio State Buckeyes on their home turf. Later, Unc and Ocho dive into Steve Sarkisian, Quinn Ewers and the #3 Texas Longhorns staving off the #20 Texas A&M Aggies on the road 17-7 and heading to the SEC championship game to face off against Kirby Smart and the Georgia Bulldogs, Stanford University hires their ex-star QB Andrew Luck as General Manager for their football program and Unc and Ocho hope Luck can turn the program around, but have doubts on the personnel the program can obtain due to the different standards at Stanford compared to other universities and much more!04:00 - Show Start04:36 - Intro06:17 - Texas v TA&M13:19 - Michigan v Ohio State26:00 - NC State v UNC32:00 - Florida v FSU35:05 - Syracuse v Miami39:40 - GA v GaTech44:35 - Stanford bringing Luck in as GM52:00 - Jamir Gibbs in the doghouse58:27 - Kirk Cousins Falcons future1:01:41 - Bills asking for fans to shovel snow at stadium1:04:55 - Josh Allen’s next TD to make history(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for the Texas Longhorns. He almost gave this game away, Ocho. He almost gave it away. If Texas A&M could have done anything offensively, yeah, they beat Texas because because yours did not play particularly well last night. A bad interception, he fumbled the ball where it's going. This game should have been put away in the third quarter. Long time, long time ago. Listen, the Longworth defense, I mean they played a critical role obviously

playing, they forced some turnovers shutting out the Aggies offense in the first half, but the Aggies obviously obviously if they could have got something going offensively They didn't have a chance or did nor did they capitalize on any of the turnovers that they got the game could it could have been somewhat close and The plays that they made offensively and the turnovers that that not the Aggies the turnovers that the Longhorns got You know They were able to capitalize and and shut this game out. Now, the biggest test for Texas now

is that championship game. That championship game. The kind of defense Texas played tonight, this is exactly what we're gonna need in all three phases, whether it's offensively, defensively, and special teams, because they're playing a Georgia team that dominated the first time they played

Upfront the better the battle of this game and the chances on winning this game is going to start up front with their officer line and defensive line being able to be stout on defense and The office of line being able to hold up and that offense Making the play they need to play and Quinn errors can't make the mistakes He made tonight against a Georgia team that will capitalize and pounce on any turnovers that they have. Yeah, you're right, Ocho. The first time they played,

Georgia went into Austin and beat them up. They just beat them up mentally, physically, emotionally. They really did some damage on them, but give a, a SART credit for getting these guys to bounce back. They come back and they played really, really well and they worked their way back into the SEC Championship game

You're right. They got a pick six touchdown Texas A&M They got another forest fumble and they got stopped on the goal line See, I don't understand that Ocho because you need two scores anyway, what different one way or another you're gonna need two scores and You really if you really think about it, Ochoa, you hadn't had a whole lot of success running the football. At some point in time, you gotta put the guy and give him a two-way goal.

So if the guy's not wide open, run it in. But if there's a throw to be made, we're gonna need you to make a throw. But to just hand the ball off and just run into the line of scrimmage, Texas was waiting for that. I mean, that showed me that you really don't trust. That showed me you didn't really trust.

You didn't really trust your quarterback. Yeah, I understand Ocho, he is a freshman, but at some point in time, in order for you to win, we know this, no matter what the level, your quarterback's gonna have to make a play. He's gonna have to put the ball up. He's gonna have to make a play one way or another. And you gotta trust him that he's gonna make a smart decision. He's gonna make have to put the ball up. He's going to have to make a play one way or another. And you got to trust him that he's going to make a smart decision.

He's going to make the right decision. He's going to make the right play, but, uh, give Texas, give Texas credit. Um, they could, because you could feel the, but that pick six, they go right back down there and then yours gets stripped that, uh, I mean stripped on, on, uh, he's sliding. I thought it sounds like, man, Texas A&M got the, uh, uh, got the momentum. Now they're at home. That crowd started, Brian field started rocking.

Yeah. You know, they put 108, 108,000, the house that Johnny built. Yeah. Man. But give tech, give Sark. I thought Sark did an unbelievable job. I always thought he was a very good office and mindy coach. He has great people around him to make things happen. I thought Sark did an unbelievable job. I always thought he was a very good office and mindy coach.

He had great people around him to make things happen. But Texas A&M did not play, Texas A&M did not play well tonight, Ocho. Mm-mm. Listen, I enjoyed the game. It was a good rivalry. I'm glad they didn't fight like everybody else, you know, across the board with the other rivalries.

Aw man, we'll get to that. We'll let's get into that. Yeah, that went on. I mean, but you gotta trust your quarterback. You gotta trust your quarterback. You do. At some point in time, on your special, when you're like that.

In a game like this, you don't have a choice. You're gonna keep running the ball and to the strength of the Texas defense The goddamn front seven the front four to front five whatever you whatever you want to call it You had no success running all night, so you have no choice, but the pin your ears back Let's your quarterback know listen I'm trusting you you got to make the right those you have to make the right decisions with the ball to even give us a chance You got to make the right throws. You have to make the right decisions with the ball to even give us a chance.

Not only to compete, but at least a chance to win. Give your team a chance. Even if you don't trust him early, you got to trust him late, because at some point in time, Ocho, you're going to have to put the ball up. The days are just, every once in a while, you'll find a game where you can just run the ball down your opponent's throat.

Yeah, this ain't that game, Ocho. That wasn't the game. You're gonna have to loosen them up to make them think that you're gonna do something else other than run the football. That's why they stop you so many times on third and short, fourth and short, because they don't, throw caution to the wind.

Listen, if they throw a pass, that's on us. If they throw, because sometimes, you know, we'll call them, and I remember Mike and Alex Gibbs, our offense will say, look, if they do something other than what we expected, that's on us. But this is what we expect. We want you to execute this.

We expecting this defense. And if they give us another defense, that's on us. Oh, bro, if they do something other than run the football, Texas basically said, if they do something other than run the football, Texas basically said if they do something other than run the football, that's on us. Right. We don't believe that they trust their freshman quarterback enough to put the ball in his hand and allow him to throw the football. So the hell with worried about that.

A, everybody hit it. Right. It's like we're hitting the beach at, Ocho, we're hitting the beach at Normandy. Go, go, go. A gap, B gap, C gap, D, A. If there isn't a hole, make a hole. Man, they, bro, dude wasn't even close. Ocho, he wasn't, they wasn't even close to picking up those, the Ocho short yardage.

I can see, Ocho, we have to come in for a measurement or we get a review. Ocho, they wasn't even close. Not even close. They was losing yards on that short yardage. I can see, Ocho, we have to come in for a measurement or we get a review. Ocho, it wasn't even close. It wasn't even close. They were losing yards on the third and fourth and fourth and I'm like, well damn, did y'all even block him? Because you're at home, I can understand if you're on the road because the crowd is going, Ocho, and so it's kind of hard to see, so I'm hard to hear. And so you might be late getting off the ball, but you're at home.

Yeah. And Texas still beat you off the ball. Let's go to one of the situations. Michigan ups at number two, Ohio State 13-10. Fight breaks out after Michigan planted a flag at midfield. A fight between both teams ensued. Police used mace on players to stop the fight. Ryan Day, where was Ryan Day?

There's a video showing that Ryan Day was just standing there and watching. Ocho, that's a bad look on him. Before I let you go, that's a bad look on him because you've got to get control of your players. And as one of the Michigan players that I always firmly believed this, Ocho, man, we had 60 minutes to fight. Now we done whipped y'all ass, now y'all wanna fight now.

Now, now we about to go. Right. Go ahead, take off. Listen, as a coach, you know, sometimes coaches aren't ready for situations like that. Where it's a melee, where all hell is broken loose. You know, in a structured environment, you're able to control the fight.

You know, whether it's your team, you know, in camp, most of the time, you know, teammates fight, you know, I can see that all the time in training camp. But in the middle of a field, when there's a melee like that, I think it'll make a coach that's not used to that situation make him very, very uncomfortable, which is probably why he was standing back,

because there's no way to control that many players going at it it's impossible it's impossible but listen when is the last time Ohio State v Michigan? Probably about four years ago. Okay so I'm not you know I keep hearing the upset upset it was an upset well obviously it hasn't been upset because Ohio State hasn't won in the what the past three previous meetings. But here's the previous couple years Michigan was ranked higher this time Michigan's not even ranked. The number two team in the country you're at home and you're 19 and a half point favorites. But also even with the favorites even

with the rankings right. Think about the rankings this year for many, many teams that have been ranked high and been losing to other opponents. Those rankings really haven't meant anything. A lot of times that's on the road though, Ocho. Alabama lost to Vanderbilt on the road. They lost to Tennessee on the road. They lost to Oklahoma on the road. We see these teams, we lost to Georgia, lost on the road.

Ole Miss lost, Alabama on the road. At home? You 19 point favorites at home against a team that's unright. Now I'm not saying look a loss is a loss, but this was supposed to be the year. It's reported that, excuse me, Ohio State has a $20 million roster. Yeah.

Offensively they do. They got to. But listen, all credit due to the Wolverines defense tonight, the boys play some ball, man. Salute to defensive coordinator Wink Martindale. They had an absolute dominant stretch and performance and he had them playing phenomenal football to be able to hold Ohio State to the amount of points that they had with all the superstars that they had on offense you know like you said that 20 million dollar roster man they played great they played really good ball and it was a good game and listen temperance flair especially when you try to plant that flag I call it the Baker Mayfield

I'm sure it's probably been done before Baker Mayfield came along and planted that you know that flag in the middle The opponent's home field after a game, but you know that's what happens and like the Michigan player said I don't know what his last name was but you did have 60 minutes to fight You know, but it comes down to respect as well. Okay, you guys want a game but you ain't even be playing your flag Nah So we had this 60 minutes, why't y'all stop us then? Hey, why do you want to fight now? You want to fight? Look here that hurt

I heard the military looking for a free good me and join the military you want to fight? God dang it Take your hands over see if that's what you want to do, right? Army Navy Air Force Marine Coast Guard. They're looking for a few good men. That's what you want to do. Fight. You had 60 minutes to line it up. And now you mad. Why you want to fight now? Yeah, you right.

Why you want to fight? We did the same thing happen when we played the Steelers. We beat them in the AFC Championship game at the old Three River Stadium, Ocho. Now everybody pushing and shoving. Yeah, Sharp. Hey, you bet you want to fight. Meet me at the bus. Bro, when I it, Ocho. Now everybody pushing and shoving. Yeah, Sharp, hey, you bet you wanna fight, meet me at the bus.

Bro, when I go to the bus, we going home, we going to Sea World, we gonna see Shabu. You had 60 minutes to fight, now you wanna fight. Get your ass off this field and let us celebrate. Hey, get him off the field. So now you know I gotta rub it in. I see, Ocho, you know how we are. Once I see his father, you, oh, I gotta rub it in. I see, Ochille, you know how we are. Once I see you bother you.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You egg it on. Security. You egg it on. Get his ass off the field. He's not a part of the Broncos. The Broncos are the only team that's gonna be staying out here on the planet.

I say, how that make y'all feel? We celebrating in y'all house. Y'all looking at the house like this, and we got cake, ice cream. We got all kinds of stuff going on, we got balloons. Yeah. Oh, so you know how black people are.

Once we find out something bothers you. Why do you? You pour it on. You pour it on. We pour gasoline on the fire. Absolutely. Every time. Every time.

Hey, but that goddamn Michigan defense though, man. Ohio State, they got too many superstars. They got too many superstars, man. Listen, offensively, they only had 252 yards a day. There's no way in hell you only supposed to have 252 yards with an offense like. Sometimes you try to prove a point. You throw the ball. You ain't got to prove it.

to prove a point. You throw the ball. You ain't got to prove it. Oh Joe, I ain't got to try to prove that I'm tough. We're more physical. We're going to show them. I'm trying to win the game. I ain't got to show you nothing. I don't get it. Y'all got this superior speed on the skill position. And you try to hit your, first of all, Sharon Moore, the mere fact that he won six games, and now seven, with that quarterback, it needs to be studied. So whatever he's asking for monetarily, Michigan give it to him. Ain't no, that quarterback is, look, I understand he a kid, but he bad, Ocho. He bad. Hey, don't do it like that.

Don't do it like that. How he hit 30, Ocho, he got the guy wide open. He about, they about to break the game open. Yeah. And he hit 33 right in the chest. All they gotta do is throw it over the top. He got a guy like 10, 10, like five, six yards behind him. All they gotta do is just throw it on the top.

He hit 33 right between the numbers. I'm like, bro, how? You know what the funny thing is? That quarterback. Right. Where the quarterback is playing as bad as he is, that lets you know this is where coaching comes into play. This is where coaching comes into play

where they're able to overcome bad quarterback play and beat a very, very, very good team. Number two team in the country. Number two country that is ranked high. You know, well, hell, we're Howard didn't make it no easier. You know, he threw him in the cell. He was good and terrible too. Good and terrible.

But on third down, this is where they really lost the game. Yeah. You're 16 on third down. You ain't really going to be able to do much of nothing with that. Much of nothing. When your offense is playing that bad, as bad as, as Michigan You ain't really gonna be able to do much or nothing with that much or nothing when Your offense is playing that bad as bad as his Michigan offense was the defense has to stand on their head And they stood on their head today Yeah, they gave up seven points to a team at home the number two team in the country at home

That Hey that quarterback that just got 12 million. He like, I like this. I like what a company do that. Listen, that mean Michigan, Michigan will be scary next year. Yeah. Now Michigan, I don't know what y'all work that

gonna get that man his money now. Yeah. He don't play game to game. Gonna give him a five, six year deal. I don't need to play with him. Yeah. I don't need to play with him. Yeah. And plus. I don't need to play with him.

Ocho, I don't know how Ryan Day keeps this job. I don't. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You think they gonna let him go? Look, I mean, if you look at his, Ocho, he's lost one game to someone. He's 47 and one against everybody else in the Big 10. He's one and four against Michigan. Yeah, you gotta win You gotta win that game that game. Yeah, but I don't think that's a fireball offense. I don't think that's it is not like

Coaching malpractice like brother ever flutes. Did I say that? Yes. It ain't like that. It's it's finding a way What is it that we need to do differently when we play Michigan? Now that that think that's something that Administration AD that they can come to terms with with him and figure it out. How can we beat them? We figured out everybody else Mm-hmm What do we need to do when we get to the game when it's time to play Michigan that we need to do differently? And just like you said stop trying to prove when we get to the game when it's time to play Michigan that we need to do differently? And just like you said, stop trying to prove something, stop trying to impose

your will, but running the ball, trying to show that you are tougher and stick to your strengths in what you do well. You have elite receivers. One of the best in the country as a freshman in Jeremiah Smith, a good, good quarterback defensive play, but you have a surrounding cast that can overcome that bad inconsistent quarterback play that will how it is, you know. Yeah, he picked the worst day to have it.

He picked the bad day to have his worst game, Ocho. Yeah. And you know, look, you know your quarterback at some point in time is gonna have a bad game. Everybody's gonna have a bad game. You just hope it's not, woo, please don't let us have a bad game. Not a game like tonight. Not a game like this.

Not a playoff game or Super Bowl or, yeah, not against Michigan. Play bad against somebody else. You can play bad against Penn State. Right. But you can't play bad against Michigan because that's the game. It's like Alabama and Auburn. You can't play bad in that game, Ocho. Nah.

It's like, you know, whatever, whatever rival, like Miami, Miami, Florida, Miami, Florida, Floridaurn, you can't play bad in that game, Ocho. Nah. It's like, you know, whatever the, whatever, right. Like Miami, Miami, Florida, Miami, Florida, Florida State, Florida, Miami, Florida, Florida State. You can't play. When you got a rivalry game. Yeah. You gotta play, cause that's the game. Now, if you want to be a legend, you want to be remembered,

play, play well in those games, Ocho. They'll never forget you. At all, ever. Ever. They'll never forget you. At all, ever. They'll never forget you. The city just ooh the fans. It's going to be very, very interesting because the question is, look, who are you going to get to replace Ryan Day?

I mean, it sounds like a great thing when Urban left. It's like, oh, we got Ryan Day, blah, blah, blah. And he's going to the college football playoffs and so forth and so on, but Ocho, it, blah. And he's going to the college football playoffs and so forth and so on, but oh, Joe. It's the games that he's supposed to win. The Michigan. I get the last two years, not this year, but the last two years.

Right. Michigan had a juggernaut. Michigan went to the college football playoff. They won the national championship last year. Okay, we could understand that. There ain't no shame in that. But there have been some games that you've been favorite, that you got it handed to you.

You still lost them. A couple of years ago, they just ran the ball. They ain't even throw it. They just like, we're gonna just bludgeon y'all. That's what we're gonna do. We just gonna bludgeon you. No tricks, no trickery, no nothing. Ain't nothing you could do about it.

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Bar Hill players wouldn't leave the logo at the 50-yard line into the field cleared. Hey, rivalry week baby. They was out there, they must have been listening to Kendrick album squabbling. They squabbling. Them boy listening, hey them boy was out there squabbling. Again, they had the opportunity to fight. They had an hour. They had an hour.

60 minutes. And they had 60 minutes to prevent this from happening. Obviously, what are you going to do when you win your rivalry game? Yeah. You're going to celebrate. What do you normally celebrate? Whether it be basketball, whether it be football, in the middle of the field where the goddamn local is. Yes.

There's nothing you can do about it. And I think there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it. And you know what? A little swaddling ain't never hurt nobody. Now, you know, some people say, you know, there's no place for it in the game and all that. Yeah, there is. I can't think of a better place for it. Exactly. And you know what? Honestly, can I tell you something? It makes rivalry that much more exciting and you want to look forward to it the following year. Just a little bit.

Ain't nobody getting hurt. Just a little bit. Ain't nobody getting hurt. Just a little squabbling. Ain't ever hurt nobody. That's it. Just a little bit. I just want y'all to know I'm trying to be as disrespectful as I possibly can. Ain't no FSA had a buss about it. Because I want you to know. I want you to feel this. I want you to hate me. I want you to despise my team. I want you to despise me because I see that I ruled the day that you came into existence. Yes, I dislike you just that much. So there ain't no secret here. Yes, don't let me win.

After you've been running your mouth the whole year. All year, yeah. OK, now we got 60 minutes to settle this. We get four quarters to settle it. Right. All year, yeah. Okay, now we got 60 minutes to sell this. We get four quarters to sell it. Right. I win what you, look, I'm gonna let you know this. I'm a sore loser. Loser, yeah.

But I'm a worse winner. I just want y'all to know this, what that I do on y'all. If you think I'm a bad loser, don't let me win. Right. And you better not let me win in your house. Yeah, and that make it even worse. I'm leaving muddy work boots. Man, who accused of these?

Yeah, they're mine. Yeah, I'm leaving my muddy work boots. Yes, absolutely, Ocho. I'm gonna be as disrespectful, as blatantly, as blatantly disrespectful as I possibly can. Because you've been running your mouth the whole year. You've been talking the whole game and now look at you. Now you want to fight.

You showed more hostility after the game. After the game. Yeah. So what was this? What was all the muscles? Where was all that venom that you got right now? Right. Get off the field.

And listen, coaches would never be able to say this. Coaches would never be able to say how they really truly feel about small, small skirmishes like this. You know, it's good for the game in a sense, and the rivalry itself. No matter what these punters and these analysts may say, good for the game of football. It just is. I don't know how to explain it.

I can't put it into words, but I'm giving you as enough context as I can as a fan of college football, as a fan of sports in general, it makes it that much more exciting, especially coming up next year. When you look at the calendar and the schedule come out, Michigan, Ohio State, they gonna circle that game. Yeah, they been had circled.

UNC and North Carolina State to play again, they gonna circle that game. As one, we got to watch this. We circling too. We gonna put a footstool in that game. We got to watch this. We circling too. We're gonna put footstain you again. On this date, on this date a year later, footstain you again. Mm-hmm. They do all that talking. They do all that talking. That's what makes you mad though, Ocho. Y'all did all that talking. All the buildup. Y'all saying what y'all saying in the paper and on radio so forth and so on.

We saying what we say. Now we gonna get a chance to prove it. Right. Because that's the thing about sports, Ocho. See, you can't talk your way out of a ass with it. You can't. You got to play. You got to perform. You got to play. You got to perform. Whatever you did during that week, all them X's and O's, all that film study, you got to put it on camera,

because I ain't a Sky Angle liar. Yeah. Sky Angle liar. What did De La Rize tell Sugar? Bring your ass, Sugar. Bring your ass, Sugar. Now you been talking. You say I've been, you been talking, Sugar,

bring your ass. Come on out here. Hey, that's a classic. No, no, no, no. Hey, that's a classic. What, no, no, no. Hey, that's a classic. What was Richard Pride's character name? Rape. No, Rape, no, Rape. No, no, no, Rape. No, she wants some of me?

She want a piece of me? Benny, you shut up too, Benny. You blind bastard. Yeah, man, you did all that talking. Now we gotta sell it. We gonna sell it. Now this is what's gonna happen. If you win, you get to brag, you get to boast, you get to say and do whatever. But when I win, don't try to suppress my celebration and talk about not here. Not talk about no. Right. Skedaddle. Oh man, that's classic.

Damn, another fight broke out after the Florida 31-11 win at Florida State in Tallahassee. In the final seconds ticked off, Gator's Edge rusher, George Gums Jr. planted the Florida flag on the Seminoles 50 yard line, marking an immediate shoving match between the players from both teams. At one point, Florida State coach Mike Norvell grabbed the Florida flag through it as the pushing match continued. He and Florida's coach Billy Napier exchanged words, but ultimately shook hands and

dispersed. I like that. I like that. Listen, I don't know what Florida state fighting for. I don't even know what Florida fighting for. There was a bit of inconsistency from both teams, you know, throughout the season. There's no reason for y'all to be fighting. Yeah. It really ain't no reason, but you know what it made it even better? What? If the head coaches had gotten into it and started, you know, started a squad.

I mean, you know, I haven'tna lose my $10 million a year job, if it was y'all. Yeah, but hey, listen, it's the last game of the season. It'll be your last game of your career, too. Career, yeah, that too, but it's rivalry. And Florida, man, 31-11, it was no need to even plant the flag, because the ass-whopper was already handed.

The ass-whopper was already dealt. The belt to ass was already given to Florida State from Florida. There was no need for that plant flag. You know what's happening. You know what's gonna happen. The NCAA gonna pass a rule. You can't plant the plant flag that meant that.

You know that's coming, Ocho. Ocho is coming. They can't ruin it like that. Let the game be fun. Let the game remain fun and let teams celebrate. If you don't want nobody to plant the flag on your goddamn field when they're playing away and at your home, win the game remain fun and let teams celebrate if you don't want nobody playing the flag when you got damn feel When you when they're playing away and at your home win the game you got an hour to do so You got an hour to take care of business you you remember when fans started storming the field

They started hitting with quarter million dollar fine. Yeah in schools. Yeah. Yeah, they go either they go they go They go start filing them heavily Mm-hmm That'll be a penalty. You watch. Because it's happening too much, Ocho. We look, these games have been going on. I mean, Ocho, we saw what?

Four or five of these today. And so we started to see an uptick of it. Yeah, but we ain't seen them all year. There's a reason you're seeing them because it's rivalry week. Ain't nothing wrong with a little skirmish, a little squabbling at the end of the season. It's okay, nobody getting hurt.

Nobody getting hurt. Hey, the NCAA, that's not what we're about. Shit. The NCAA, listen, what y'all is about is just about money at the end of the day. We know what it's about. We don't want y'all to turn it off, Ojo. We don't want y'all to turn it off.

We don't want y'all to watch us. And so y'all, we know y'all don't like fighting. And so we're gonna put. Who don't? Well, this is America. You know how this, how this was got? Yeah. Through violence. So we're gonna do,

what we're gonna do, Ocho. What we're gonna do, we're gonna, we're gonna nip this. We couldn't get it in the bud. They sprouted up a little bit, but we gonna nip it. We couldn't get it in the bud. They sprouted up a little bit, but we gonna nip it. We gonna make sure it doesn't grow any further. Fine's coming, wife want to tell you.

We gonna reveal this next year. Sarah Q's upset number six, Miami 42-38. Miami is now officially out of the ACC Championship game. Kyle McCord threw for 380 yards and three touchdowns for the Orange. Cam Ward had 349 yards passing with two touchdowns for the Cays, who will be off next week while Clemson face SMU in the ACC Championship. The Cays will have hoped for that large bid into the 12-team playoff. Ochoa, you had a 21-point lead.

Yeah. Listen, you got to put that game away. You got to put that game away. I'm not sure what Miami was doing offensively. Listen, they grabbed early scoring touchdowns in their first three possessions. You know, took a quick 21-0 lead. I don't know what the hell happened after that, especially offensively. They took the foot off the gas, don't you? You can't take your foot off the gas, huh? You are, you are playing to be in the goddamn, wait, hold on, hold on, in the ACC championship. You're right. You're playing for that.

This is a game where you wanna put up as many points as possible as early as possible and extend that distance so when the momentum in the game shifts, you don't have to go down to the wire at the end of the game and be fighting for your life. You're right. You're right. You let Syracuse hang around and look what happens. It always happens like that. You let a team hang around and then they end up kicking your ass. That's what happens. That's why you

killing that with a sledgehammer. You don't brush him Ocho. You don't... No. Kill him with a sledgehammer and be done with him. 21 points, Ocho, you gotta make that stand up. Defense, you gotta make that stand up. Gotta make it stand up. Damn. How much separation can you put when you have the momentum, Ocho?

How much separation can you put between you and the team that you playing, that you got momentum against? Because they're gonna get the momentum now. momentum is gonna swing back their way Ocho Right. Yeah always because you're gonna understand you're on the road So now when they get the momentum How much damage are they gonna do to you? Did you put enough separation between? Okay, they got the momentum But we're so far ahead. They're not they can't do any damage. They can't do nothing about it, yeah. But that was a good game.

I mean, both quarterbacks I thought played really well. 380 yards for one and three touchdowns, 349 and two touchdowns for the other. But Miami is gonna be kicking themselves. But look, Miami, Ochoa, they've been tempting to fade all year. Think about all the games that they come from behind and ended up winning.

Yeah, and in that last quarter, at the last minute, where some of those names- They came back on Cal. Remember they came back on Cal? It was like three or four teams on show that had them dead to right. Yeah. Duke had them, and they come back and win the game.

You keep it. Hey, okay. Yeah. But listen, you know what I am happy about? What's that? As far as the program is concerned, they're back to winning. Yeah. Back to winning. I'm not saying they look like Miami of old of the 90s and in

the early 2000s. Oh hell no. They're getting back to that. Yeah, no yeah. They're back to winning consistently. They're back to winning consistently. So head coach is doing a really good job over there. But games like this, you need to win. The Hurricanes deserved to be playing the ACC Championship. They deserved. They deserved. They dropped the ball today. They dropped the ball. They didn't earn it though. They deserved to be there,

but they didn't earn the right to be there. They didn't earn it, yeah, you right. You right. But the Canes, you gotta understand, the Canes, they're not gonna get no cut. I mean, you might get one, but you gotta realize what they had in the 80s. When they had Jay Boogie, they had Terrence DeVerte,

they had Kozar, they had High Smith, they had Danny Stubbs, they had Terence DeVerte, they had Kozar, they had Highsmith, they had Danny Stubb, they had, you know, they had, who they had, Benny and Bob, Benny and Blaze, the Blaze Brothers, Brett Paramon. It was different back then. Even in early 2000s. Michael DeDuma had Playmaker,

and then when you come to early 2000s, when you have Portis and Sean Taylor and Ed Reed. It's not even fair. It's not even fair. Andre Johnson, Santana Morgue, Sanorah Balz, Roscoe Pitt, man, it's not even fair. Reggie Wayne. Yeah, Reggie.

You remember you had Shocky. You had Greg Olson. You had Winslow the Second. You had Everett, another tight end that ended up going to Buffalo in the early round, they were loaded. They had Dewayne Starks, they had Antwell Rowe. Yeah, and this is at every position.

This ain't just skill position. McKinney and Carrick. Man, different. It was different. They'll never get back to that because the NIL has made it that much more difficult. Yes. Much more difficult. Yes. Much more difficult.

Yes. But it's good to see him back on the winning track. It is. Georgia needed eight overtime Ocho to get the 44-42 home win over Georgia Tech. In a game that they were favored to win by three touchdowns, it's the first time the Bulldogs has ever come a 17 point or more deficit since 2006. It's only the second time in the past 20 seasons in which they've rallied for a 14 point deficit in the fourth quarter.

Georgia Tech had the game won. The quarterback got a first down, he got hit, he fumbled the ball. They got a seven point lead, Ojo. They got the game won. The game was won. All they gotta do is hold on to the ball. That's it. That's it.

George's gonna go down and score. And eight overtime later, it's 44-42. You see, you think about the record, right? You see where George's Tech is ranked? Yes. You see where George's Tech's record is? But for some reason, it's like in the NFL, when it comes to playing a divisional opponent,

no matter how bad your season is going, for some reason, they're going to give you a game. Yeah. They're going to give you a game. I'm not sure Texas, when Texas does watch this film, on what Georgia Tech was able to do, you're not going to sit here and tell me that Georgia Tech players up front and at the skill position is that much better than those at Texas. No, no, no. I'm buying that., I'm not and I'm not I'm not believing it But if they can do what they did to Georgia and making it a game to we had to go to eight over times

Ain't no ain't no way you often allow a 30 to 15 Shalak and like y'all took early in the season happen a second time Not in the championship game. I know better than that and happen a second time. Not in the championship game. I know better than that. That's gonna be a tough game, because Georgia basically at home. They play in the Mercedes Benz,

that's an hour away, Ocho. Do you know how much black and red is gonna be in that building? Now I know Texas travel. Oh, they travel well. They travel well. Them Georgia dogs. It's different.

They're at home. That's an hour from Athens. Yeah, but you got to think now we talk about Texas. They travel well. It's like the Eagles or the Steelers having to play somewhere else in somebody else stadium. They travel well. And Georgia, the Georgia Bulldogs or the Cowboys. Yeah. Okay, I knew you were going, you're right by that.

You're right by that. Remember we was having that discussion and we talk about what? Who's the most popular team in the state? What did everybody say? Bulldogs. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. Bulldogs. Most definitely.

Bulldogs and then the Braves. And then you can pick whoever you want. You want the Falcons, you want the Hulks. Right. The MLF team, the Bulldogs and the Falcons. Number one. Bulldogs by the Falcons. Number one. Bulldogs by a long stretch. Cause the Braves used to be terrible.

The Braves were awful. The Falcons was terrible. And well, we know the Falcons. Yeah. When they was bad, but they got time, even when they was bad, it didn't matter. Why it was a party. And they kept that going because now it's a party. You go to the Georgia Dome,

well, Mercedes is not Georgia Dome, excuse me. Mercedes Benz Dome now. It's a party. And then when they got Vic. Oh man, listen. Listen, the Michael Vic era was an experience, Uncle. That's what they called it, the Michael Vic experience Michael Vick era was an experience, uncle. That's what they call it. Michael Vick experience.

Listen, it was an experience and you had to be there to understand. You had someone that didn't even play in Atlanta. I was in Cincinnati, but his time and his era was an experience, one that can be explained. Yep. Had you watching what he did in the past? It don't do you no justice. No, I was in the city. I lived it.

Had to be there, man. You had to be there. I don't think people understand how great Michael Vick was during that time. No. Especially in Atlanta. Oh my God. It was, it's crazy.

I mean, he was, he was, he was Lamar Jackson on steroids. Yeah. He was Lamar Jackson on steroids. And. He was Lamar Jackson on steroids. And we know how good L. Jackson is. Lamar is. He's a two time MVP. He's one of the top two quarterbacks in football. He's one of the three or four best players

in all of football. And I'm not saying he's two or three. But boy, hey, Michael Vick was... It's different. It was. It's different. And a lot of people won't understand it because the first thing they'll go to is they'll go to numbers and they'll dice it. Michael Vick was, man. It's different. It was. It's different. And a lot of people won't understand it because the first thing they'll go to

is they'll go to numbers and they'll dissect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not debating that. Yeah, we're not, but they debating that. But when Michael Vick was playing, when Michael Vick had the ball in his hands, You had to be there. the kind of player, you know, you just hold your breath.

When Reggie Bush was at USC, he's the kind of player with the ball in his hands, you hold your breath. Because you don't know what the effing happened. When Peter Warf was at Florida State, and the ball was coming his way, or they punt return, or they threw him a hitch or something, you hold your breath. You don't know what the hell finna happen. Big was, he was, he was something special, man. He was something special. Oh Joe, looking for a spark to get the team back on track. Stanford is bringing back one of the school's legend, Andrew Luck to work as a general manager of the football program.

Her ESPN Pete Thamel, Luck accepted a position that will put him in charge of the entire program and is considered a distinct evolution from one of the traditional roles of a college general manager. In a phone interview with Thammo, Luck confirmed his new job and the role involves everything Stanford football touches, football-wise and business-wise.

He will also help with fundraising, securing sponsorship, increasing attendance and alumni relationships. Do you like that, Ocho? Hey, I love the move. I love the move, especially putting someone like Andrew Luck in that position. Someone who's had sex, excuse me, someone who's had success, you know, at the NFL level. Short tenure, obviously due to the injuries, but he's the perfect candidate for this. He's a perfect person.

He's a great, I hate using the word mascot, representative for Stanford, what he was able to do and accomplish during his time there. Now with this idea, now you know how I am. I'm all about business. I'm all about branding. I'm all about marketing. Now I'm thinking in turn for myself and being able to add another job and diversify my portfolio. What do you think about me becoming a GM of two college programs that I can think of that are dear to my heart, where I can also help in the same areas that Andrew Luck is going to help at Stanford? Either me getting a GM role at Oregon State, you know, where I can do the same things and offer the same responsibility and be offered the same responsibility that Andrew Luck is or general manager at FAMU.

Let me know what you think. It's a full-time job. You're not going to give up your other job. That's a full-time job. His responsibility, fundraising, securing sponsorships, increasing attendance and alumni relationships. That's an everyday job. I can do all four of them. I'm not saying that you can't, but I'm saying that you can't do those other things. That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I know you can do it. You charismatic, you relatable, you can get out there in front of the people. Yes, absolutely. You know how to smooth. Yes. That's me. But you can't do those other things.

That's the problem. Damn. Okay, well, that know I'm smooth. Yes. But you can't do those other things. That's the problem. Damn. Okay, well that's off the table. That's off the table. But I mean, yes, that's off the table. But kudos to Andrew Lough. I think this is gonna be good for Stanford. I'm not sure if he can change the landscape of that team

as far as the visibility is there. Everyone knows who you are. But in order to bring those students in that you need, you already know what they waiting on. Oh Joe, you gotta understand. A lot of those guys that go to Stanford, they try to be doctors. They try to be lawyers.

They try to be businessmen. If I happen to go to the NFL, that's finally good too. Right with me, right. But I'm trying to be a finance major, a econ, I'm trying to be an econ, bro. I mean come on bro. But I'm trying to be a finance major, an econ major, an econ, I'm trying to be an econ major. Bro, I mean come on bro. Do you understand?

Look, you go to Stanford, you go to schools like the, bro, what you, Georgia Tech. Yeah. Do you know what the missions are to get into a place like that? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Listen, I- Every once in a while you'll get a John Elway.

Every once in a while you'll get a Christian McCaffrey. Every once in a while, you'll get a Christian McCaffrey. Or you'll get a, I think John Lynch went to Stanford. Hell, you'll get Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck. Right. But you're talking about 50 years, and I named four players. Right, yeah, you right.

So you, you, every once, think about it. Think about John graduating in 83. Think about before you got another Andrew Luck. How long was that? Long time. Oh, and then you got a Christian McCaffrey. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you, hey, them guys ain't get no general,

no general, general studies degree. John was a finance major. He was either finance or econ, economics.'t agree with it again, Ocho? I got a middle degree in eligibility. I'm trying to stay eligible. I'm trying to stupefact. Hey, it's hard because school with the academia like that. That's what, that's a, no, no, Ron, you're gonna know the name, Ocho. We know that.

The standard is different, Ocho. The standard is different. So it's almost as if academic come first. It does. To like Stanford, as to like the name amongst others. You know, it's understandable. Because their biggest alums are not athletes. Nah.

They're your Larry Ellison's, they're your, what's the guy, your Zuckerberg, not saying they went there, but I'm saying they're guys like that. Those, they're famous alums, they win Pulitzer prizes, they win Nobel Peace prizes in econ and mathematics. Right, right, right. So their biggest alumni, like a lot of other schools, maybe their biggest alumni are athletes.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Right. But I'm saying when you go to places like Georgia Tech and you go to places like Stanford and you go to Cal Berkeley, you do realize why you're here, right? Yeah. Let's not lose sight of it. We got to, hey, what do they always say, Ocho, you hear a lot of people say, just keep the main thing the main thing.

When you go to a school like that, the main thing is the main thing. The main thing, yeah. Most definitely. It's not a stepping stone to the NFL. Now, if I have to make it based on the work that I put in here, and I'm able to fall back on that and still have my plan A, which is my academics and whatever my major may be, whether it be econ, whether it be finance, will still be it. Yes.

Will be it. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond

to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Jamail Gibbs in the dog house. He posted a photo of a position meeting room with schemes on the whiteboard in the background. Okay. Okay. Hey, okay.

I like it. I like it. I like it. But can I tell you something real quick about this? Yeah. Can I tell you something? Let's do it real quick. And for y'all in the chat to listen to me real quick about this. Yeah. Can I tell you something? Listen to me real quick. And for y'all in the chat too, listen to me real quick.

Even with the schemes and the stuff that's on the backboard, no matter who they plan, when that whistle blow, you got to be able to stop it. I don't care what you know. Can you stop it when it's time to. You watch film every week. What week are we in the NFL? We in week what? 13 or 14? Yeah. 13, 14, something like that, yeah. There's 13 weeks of schemes and films of that goddamn Detroit Lions offense. Yeah.

Ain't nobody been able to stop it yet. Okay, they had one loss. Ain't nobody been able to stop it yet. 52 points, 52 points, 24 points. I think they just scored 26, if I'm not mistaken. I'm just running off at the top of the head of the point that my uncle did. 23, they beat, oh, Thanksgiving. I think they just scored 26 if I'm not mistaken. I'm just I'm just I'm just running off at the top of the head Or the point. They'd be on Thanksgiving. I think they'd be Chicago 2320. Oh it was 23. Yeah. Yeah I mean I understand you I he probably didn't mean to do what he did and

Also, well, you know what? Let me say let me cuz I can know how accidents happen being that's accident You know that is you know it is you don't want nothing like that out there. It's like your playbook, leaving your playbook in a hotel. You don't want to put your thing in the phone. Y'all was allowed to take y'all phones in the meeting room? Your phone? No, I don't take no phone.

I don't know what I'm saying. Even if I could, I'm gonna take my phone, not in the meeting room, no. We couldn't have no phone. The phones had to stay in the lockers. Right, well time's different now. You know that, time's different now. Okay, you're right, you're right, you're right.

My bad, my bad. There was a reason, there was a reason for him taking the pitcher, I'm not sure what happened. But listen, that stuff on the backboard, that ain't gonna help you beat it. That ain't gonna help you beat the Lions. That ain't gonna help you. I'm just telling you now, when that whistle blows,

it's a different ballgame. Well, I'm gonna say what happened to us. Well, in the divisional guy of the playoffs, we had Tennessee Titans, and they somehow got a hold of our playbook and that damn show helped them because we couldn't do Jack. We ran two plays. We ran, we ran, we hit them up one time.

Right. We busted the coverage and I went 57 yards down to the one and Jamal ran it in. We blocked the field goal and Ray ran a kickback. Other than that, we couldn't do nothing. So it definitely helped. Yeah. I'm not saying it was, it definitely helps, Ocho.

There's a reason why the Spygate, now all of a sudden, the defensive guy got, he got a signal in, he got a microphone in his helmet. It's like the quarterback. People don't do things that don't work, Ocho. Yeah. I hear you. The last time somebody robbed a place, they didn't have money or didn't have, Ocho. Yeah. I hear you. The last time somebody robbed a place,

they didn't have money or didn't have something of value. Right. People ain't robbing good wills and salvation armies and soup kitchens, Ocho. They go and stuff of value. Yeah, I know what you mean. But just be smart, son.

In a situation like that, Ocho, you know everything. Everything inside that building is sacred. Right. I mean, I don't even remember taking a picture inside the locker room. Let alone taking a picture of the board and stuff that's on the board. I've never taken a picture inside the meeting rooms in general, but I got a shitload of pictures in the locker room itself. And I got a lot of them.

I got a whole lot of them, you know? My teammates, you know, to be able to look back on some of the things like that. I'm trying to think, did we? Now, they might've, now, like, we went game. Y'all ain't even had a game. Wait, time out, time out, time out. I just thought it took.

I already know we had, the camera phone might've even been out by then. I was just finna say, y'all ain't had no camera phone when you was playing in the 70s. Come on now. We did, don't you? I was about to say, I'm trying to think, I'm like, we have camera phones in the 90s. Y'all didn't have no camera phone back then?

Hell no. Man, I, oh, Joe, I remember, I remember the first time, I didn't even know anything about text messages. Right. So I was like, know anything about text messaging. Right. So I was like, it was Cordell Stewart. That in 2005, like you could text. I was like, well, bro, how you text somebody?

Right, right. Bro, I ain't know nothing about no damn text. Call me. So how y'all used to communicate with your chicks back in the day, pay phone? Call them. Call them. On the pay phone?

Well, I mean, we had a community phone in the day, pay phone? Call them. Call them. On the pay phone? On the pay phone? Uh, well, I mean, we had a community phone in the hall, so we had like four phones that if you press nine, you could call out. Okay. You press nine and dial the number? And dial the number, yes. Yes. But it had to be local.

Right. And the way they communicated with you, they would call and it went to a central location. And so they'd like, I'd like to leave a message for Shannon Sharp. My name is such and such. Here's the number, having to give me a call. And then it would come downstairs and put it in your box.

We had mailboxes. So everybody had an individual box that you put. And so you have a bunch of, you have notes in there and so forth and so on like that. It wasn't like it is, I don't know how they do it. Now don't start me lying now, Ocho. I don't know how they do it now. Like I said, I've been going away from the game, damn like it is, I don't know how they do it. Now don't start me lying now, Ocho. I don't know how they do it now.

Like I said, I've been going away from the game damn near two decades. Ain't no damn near, it has been two decades. So I don't know what the, but I guess now you wouldn't need to call. Everybody has a phone. Everybody didn't have cell phones when I was in the league. Everybody had no cell phone.

That came towards the end of it. But in the mid nineties, man, the calls were like four, five dollars a minute. You had a beeper? No, I have no beeper. You had no beeper? I wasn't that important, Ocho. I wasn't that important.

But like I said, I don't, like I said, I know meetings, cell phones weren't allowed in the meetings. Not when I I was there. Okay, once I left, I retired in 04. So whatever they did after that, I don't know anything about it. So I don't wanna speak for something that transpired 04, 05, 06 moving forward. But I'm saying from the time I was there, moving back, there was no cell phones in the meeting room.

So that was, man, Mike would have lost his damn mind. Yeah, absolutely. What? Especially during those days, the coaches were different. They were a little bit more like, I call it Tom, they were like Tom Cawthon-ish. Yes. That's the only thing I can think of. Barry Bill Cawthon-ish, you know?

Hey, no nonsense. Barry, Kirk Cousins' future with the Falcons rise on the next six games per German Fowler. If he doesn't deliver over the next stretch, the Falcons would explore trading him this off season given that you have rookie Michael Pennings Jr. They're like, somebody will be like, why we want this contract? Why we got to go? Well, I don't we gotta got. Huh?

Well, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. It's one thing about Kirk Cousins. He has always been afforded that grace for only having one playoff win. So they gonna take that contract on. You think so? They definitely take it on.

And depending on how, and he's right, Mr. Fowler's right as far as these last five games. Nothing, even if he does play well these last five games, I think they're ready to move on with Penning Jr. anyway. Yeah. Honestly, it's time to get that train rolling. It's time to get that train rolling, most definitely. I'm excited for him.

I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see what he can do with Drake London, the Cowpits, and B. John Robinson. And there's no need for him to sit behind Kirk Cousins for a second year. I think it'll be great because here's the thing, Ojo. Let's just say If Kirk goes somewhere Do you take Kirk Cousins and then take the rookie quarterback and then have him sit behind him a year and then move it on? I don't like Kirk outside in the cold. Do you like him in New York? I don't. Wait, what's New York? I know you're talking about the Giants. Yeah, I saw the Giants.

Do you like him there? And have Shador sit behind him for a year? Yeah, but with his arm, with that Achilles, with that cold, with those conditions, you kind of need an arm to cut through that. Right. Or have a sense of understanding. Okay. Now, now, now you just put, you just put a little nugget in my head. Now you understand what Kirk Cousins can do from the quarterback position, right? When he had the star receiver. Can you imagine Kirk Cousins throwing a goddamn league neighbors?

Yeah. The accuracy, the pretty ball, Kirk Cousins throws a catchable ball and will always put it right where it needs to be. He might not have the strongest arm. But you gotta protect it. He might not have the strongest arm, but it's gonna get where it need to be every time. And he's accurate too, huh?

You gotta protect it though, Ochoa. Yeah, that too, but look at that. You wanna put it behind that Giants offensive line? Man, listen, man, get that ball out his hands fast, man. That's not what he does. Get that ball out his hands fast. Hey, look at, look at Kirk Cousins in the regular season. Look at the receivers he's had.

Look at the receivers he's had and what he's, what those receivers have been able to do with Kirk, with Kirk Cousins at the hell. I like it from elite neighbors until Shador takes the reins over because he's going to the Giants. You think so? He's going to the Giants unless the goddamn Raiders, for some god forsaken reason, are able to climb all the way from wherever they're picking at and come snatch him up.

Now I'm not telling you what I heard, I'm telling you what I know. Hey, I don't know, Prime might not be too keen on that. I'm just saying. Yeah, I know, I know, I know. I believe it, I believe it in that cause they already go like, Shanna Sharp said, cause you already know where they're headed with that. So disregard.

Objection, I object to what Shannon said. Ahead of tomorrow's showdown against San Francisco 49ers, the Bills are asking for fans to sign up to help shovel snow out of Highmark Stadium. The deal is pretty simple. The Bills will pay $20 an hour, provide food, hot beverage, and shovels to those who sign up. Lake Effect Snow Buffalo is expected to bury

Western New York beginning Saturday with two feet predicted to fall in Orchard Park where the Bell Stadium is located by kickoff. Ocho, one thing about them, and them Joe will be signed up too. They love it. They don't play. Yeah, the fans love it.

The fans love it. I think the only thing they got up there, the Sabres, I think Buffalo Sabres, they play hockey, I think that's still up there. there, the Sabres. I think Buffalo Sabres, they played hockey. I think that's still up there. But boy, they love, look here, they love their football team, Mojo. I'd be out there too.

If I lived in Buffalo, if I was a Buffalo fan, have you seen the way they, before the game even starts? Oh yeah. They do it in, in the- Yes. I played there, I played there, 90, 90, 91, 92, 93, 97. I played there like seven, eight times.

I just don't know what now that I think about it, Ocho. Try to figure out why we had to play so damn many games there. Cause we played there 90, 91, 94, 97. But we played Buffalo, we played Buffalo a lot too. 91, 94, 97. But we played Buffalo, we played Buffalo a lot too. Damn. Now that I think about it, and we played them in the preseason one year.

But, okay, they love their bills. Good God almighty. Do they? Do they? Listen, they're fan base that don't get the credit they deserve. They don't. But how much they love their fan base. They love they

They get active. Oh They get active. That's the only word I can think of it. They get active pregame During game and after game. They are they are oh, oh, oh, they look. Oh man. They love they love they build man And don't let them make a play. And then you'll start, let's go Buffalo, let's go Buffalo. A little bit softer now, a little bit softer now, a little bit softer.

And they start, boy, that's it. That's it. That's it. Mark Rich Stadium, that thing used to be going crazy. Yeah, yeah, that thing be jumping. Boy, they have 80,000 up in there and them players going crazy. And you know, Oto, we played them,

that's the years they going back to back, the back to back Super Bowls. They got Thurman, they got Jame, they got Andre Reed, Roosie, Fiske, Talon, yes. But boy, and... Ooh. Boy, they cook it.

They cook it. They gonna have that stadium cleaned out for that game Woo. Boy, they cook it. They don't cook it. They gonna have that stadium cleaned out for that game Sunday. Oh, for sure. I guarantee you that. And you notice any time something happens, hey, somebody, who that knocked somebody out of the playoff and they donated money to that person's charity?

Somebody get nicked, somebody get hurt, they donate to that person's foundation. Always, Bill's fans are the classiest. The classy of them all. Classiest. Oh Joe, Josh Allen's next touchdown will make Buffalo Bill's history. With his next touchdown rushing or passing, Allen will become the Bills all time leader in touchdown.

So passing the great Jim Kelly. Alan has been the best quarterback since, uh, has been the best quarterback in December since 2020 in that span. He's first in total touchdowns, passing touchdowns and wins. Look, I hate it. Cause the Broncos could have had him. The's loud, that's loud. I hate it, cause the Broncos could have had him. The Broncos should have drafted him. Yeah.

And if I'm not mistaken, they drafted Bradley Chubb to pair with Vaughn Miller. Mm-hmm. Two outside linebackers. You can keep Vaughn and get a quarterback. Yeah. You gotta have that guy. Mm-hmm.

You gotta have him. I don't care how many great your defense is, you better have a quarterback. Mm-hmm. You think maybe they didn't like what they saw. Coming out of Wyoming, right? No, am I wrong? Yep, Wyoming.

Yeah, I think small sample size too, if I'm not mistaken, huh? Yeah, you know. Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes scouts miss. Sometimes you overthink it, Ocho. Mm-hmm. I mean, you took, you took Braas Althewaller, you take Paxton Lynch, you're taking guys like that.

Mm-hmm. Guys that are not, even if you just say, you know what, he's not the most accurate, his ability to run the football. Yeah. That's what makes him, you talking about a man that's 250 pounds that can run like he can run. Yeah The matter of fact, whatever whatever discrepancies you might have with his game Especially from a throwing standpoint throwing standpoint. Oh, we could work on that

Yes, you'll work on that and he has the arm the foundation Look at the foundation you have to you have to work with and build with Look at the foundation you have to work with and build with. That's all I'm saying. You can take it from there. Take it from there. Look how he's turned out in Buffalo. He has the arm because in order to play in upstate Buffalo, you got to have an arm. You got to.

Because guess what? The Jets, they play outside. New England, you play outside. So you put him in Denver. You're outside. Kansas City is outside. You really need arm because a lot of the teams that you're going to potentially face, Kansas city outside, Baltimore outside, uh, the Steelers outside, Buffalo outside.

So your quarterback is going to have to be able to deal with the elements because those are, uh, uh, uh, such stadium, not only does it get cold, the wind blows. Yeah. So you might have, oh Joe, you might have snow, gust and bone, bone crunching, crunching cold. Oh yeah. I'm talking about 10 below, 15 below with gust up to 20, 30 miles an hour. I sure wish we'd drafted him,

but we not gonna get him now because Buffalo ain't letting him go. Nah, absolutely. But I like old Bo. We got old Bo. Yeah, Bo playing well. Bo playing real well, very well for a rookie. I'm not sure if it's Bo Nix.

I don't know, if I'm not sure, it's the quarterback whisperer and Sean Payton. But somebody doing something right over there. I'm gonna give me some Bo Buddy. Ho Bo, Ho Bo, Bo, Bo. Yeah, you know they gotta play the Bengals, right? Don't you worry about that. You worry, you got, don't you got Princeton Friday tomorrow?

Who y'all play tomorrow? Who? The Bengals. Damn, who do we play? Oh, we play the Steelers. We finna win that game. Oh yeah, that's L. We play the Steelers. We play the Steelers. Can y'all see that chat?

L. We play the Steelers. You won't bet none. L. You won't bet none. LL. I asked. You won't bet none. Ocho, you owe me so much money now man. Damn. Hold on. Listen, listen. Whatever I owe you, I'm going to pay you when we get to the tour in February at Super Bowl.

At the live tour, I'm going to pay you live on stage. Whatever. Why can't I get my money now? Huh? Why can't I get my money now? At the live tour, I'm gonna pay you live on stage. Whatever. That's how you go over me. Why can't I get my money now? Huh? Why can't I get my money now? I gotta collect it first. Where you gonna collect it from?

For all these goddamn jobs I got. You know what? I'm gonna tell inside the NFL, I'm gonna tell Apple, I'm gonna tell everybody, y'all just wait till February. Wait till y'all, we get on the tour, y'all pay it. That's how he pay it me. Y'all pay him like that. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, Arthur of Going Infinite,

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