Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Pacers Wild Comeback in ECF Game 1 + SGA Wins MVP

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe Johnson react to Tyrese Halliburton and Indiana Pacers beating Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks in Game 1 of the NBA Eastern Conference Finals, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander winning the MVP, and much more!01:46 - Introduction02:30 - Knicks v Pacers23:50 - SGA wins MVP1:10:30 - Antman fined 50k from the NBA for profane language(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart podcast. Wow. Wow. Wow. Joe, I could use several more. I could use six more games like this. If we get six more games like this, I won't be disappointed. Thank you guys, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me.

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Thank you guys for joining us right after this game to hear us talk basketball, the Indiana Pacers down by as many as 14 points late get your podcast from. Thank you guys for joining us right after this game to hear us talk basketball. The Indiana Pacers down by as many as 14 points late in the fourth quarter, put on a furious rally, come back and take the game in overtime, 138 to 135. Tyrese Halliburton was sensational tonight. Also Aaron Neesmith was really, really good. He was great.

Every, this game lived up to what we thought a final Eastern Conference or Western Conference final should be. This was it. And if we get six more games like this, regardless of who won, I think everybody will be happy. Please make sure you check out Shade by La Portier. We do have it in stock. Now if you can't find it in any city or state near you, order it online. We will ship it directly to your door. VsOP, Chez by Le Portier is a VsOP. It's a premium cognac.

I promise you, it is the best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms, Chez Chez Media and my clothing company 84. That link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please make sure you grab yours while supplies last. Joe, this game was unbelievable. I was down 14. I mean, I think there was down to minutes 10 with like 2 minutes to go. I was like, well,

let me go change out of my workout little stuff two two minutes to go. I was like well hey let me go change out of my my workout little stuff and get ready to go down there do nightcap and I come back downstairs and it's 123 to 121 and Kat said the free throw line yeah okay Kat make both of these they got uphill climb he missed one uh-oh now we're gonna play a free throw game we're gonna play a free throw game. We're going to play a free throw game, Joe. That's what we about to do. Hey, I ain't going to try to get it all back in one shot. I'm going to see how y'all handle pressure.

And boy, this was unbelievable ball game. Pascal Siakam, 17 points. Aaron Neesmith, 30 points. Miles Turner, 14 points. Nim Hard, 15 points. Tyrese Halliburton was sensational tonight. 31 points, 11 assists. They won this game because they took care of the basketball.

Yep. They had seven turnovers in an overtime game, total. So four quarters of basketball plus five minutes of overtime, they had seven turnovers. Jalen Brunson alone had seven turnovers. And that was the difference in the ball game. They've got to do a better job of making those free throws also.

They was 28 of 40. So in other words, they got to the line 40 times and they only cashed 28 times. Joe, you watch this game and I know, look, and I'm like, damn, y'all got to stop something Indiana. Cause I thought I was going to be able to have to come on the show, Joe, and say, Joe, they got to stop something.

They can't let Kat go get 35, let Brunson get 43. Let this guy do this They say oh well watch us and when they needed to make plays late in the ballgame They made every play they made every right pass. What is it that the? Pacers did in the last two minutes of the game and an overtime that they were able to go on the road be down as Many as 14 late in the fourth down by nine with like two minutes to go and win this ballgame. Oh Man, what a hell of a game. I was hell of a game I thought the Pacers have done what they've done pretty much this entire postseason when they've been counted out You know, they got guys who step up still playing desperation basketball down the stretch I think

Naismith was a player of the game to me man the way they were down he was still playing hard fierce and he shot eight for nine from three mm-hmm I don't know. Four for four from the free throw line eight for nine for three I'm not sure you gonna count on it every night But tonight he was special and he gave him that lift that they needed but they got contributions from some everybody Look at that bit TJ McConnell come here and you don't get no drop off like he's not gonna hurt you He gonna help you in every facet of the game. I I thought, man, they were just relentless down the stretch. Even to start the game, I thought they came out ready to play.

They pick, I didn't know if we was watching the NBA or the NCAA, the way them dudes picking up full court. They picking up, they picking up full court the entire game. And I guess they hold their whole idea is to wear Brunson down to wear the Knicks down because you know, they only going to play about seven guys. And any one throwing about eight, nine dudes at you who are all dogs and they coming in they getting all the scraps it was a beautiful game tonight man I know everybody in New York is pissed. They sick. I hadn't seen the Knicks fans this sick

maybe since Ice Trey did what he did. Yeah, it got quiet in there tonight, man. It got quiet in there. You could hear a rat peeing on cotton. Hello. I'm talking about a bailiff. That's how quiet it was, Joe. I was like, good God, about it. Hey, and then when Hallibur hit the ridge

at the choke joint at the end, and he was still on the line, I said, oh, yeah, he know he got to come out and play hard now. He done had a little early celebration. Yeah, I was like, oh, yeah, you know, he got to come out and play hard now. He done had a little early celebration. Yeah, he had, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, they got this one. And I can't read. I'm celebrating. And Ashley Sheller like, it was a two-point.

I said, two, no, no, he's behind the line. It's a no. I said, aw, this bad no-poor to K. Diodas. Hey, but look, you look how they gained their composure in that overtime and still came out and put their mark from the game, bro. Hey, look, we might look up Unc and this Indiana team could be in the finals. This is what I was talking about. Because they're so unpredictable.

Because they got guys like Nate Smith, who you may not count on to give you 30 every night, but he won you a game tonight. So the next night, it might be somebody else. It could be Pascal Siakam. You know what I mean? It could be somebody else. So they got a multitude of cats who are willing to step up who take that challenge and they Competing at the highest level. I thought the Knicks played great, you know Brunson and you got you got 15 or 25 from Brunson 43 points

You got 11 of 17 from cat 35 points 12 rebounds Come on now you I mean you got 16. Come on now, you got 16 from OG. You got 16 from McKellar Bridges. You got eight, 13, and seven with a steal from Josh Hart. I mean, damn. They played well up the way. They had the game in their hands, but it seemed like lay down the stretch.

They was having these mental lapses where they were almost turning the ball over, but they kept getting away Well, I'm like, hold on and the other gonna make them pay for this and they just kept throwing these little Lackadaisical passes and and end up getting these turnovers man. Indiana is relentless, but they they are they are Team and they read it. They read it for the moment on They are a team and they ready. They ready for the moment on Down this and we've seen this from them in three games down the stretch against Cleveland They find ways just like we saw the Knicks do this down the stretch against Detroit We saw them do this down the stretch against Boston And then clutch moments they find ways to win. They make the right pass. They hit the big shot

They do everything right. They get steals They play passing lanes. I mean look both teams out like Jalen brunson was 15 or 25 cat was 11 or 17 But nicks this is what y'all know for y'all know for defense y'all that Tyrese Halliburton go 12 or 23 Y'all let them hard go 6 or 10 y'all let miles Turner go 6 of 10. Y'all let Miles Turner go 6 of 11. Aaron Naismith missed four shots. He was 9 of 13, 8 of 9 from the three. The only guy that really shot less than 50% that played heavy minutes was really Pascal Siakam.

Yeah. 7 of 16. Other than that, they shot 51% from the floor. Now this is what, look, we know Indiana can play defense and they played it really good down the stretch But they're a team that want to get it out the net or get it off the rim, but they want to push They'll give you they'll give you a basket to get a quicker basket because they want to tempo They won't they won't tempo and they know who this easy We ain't easy

You know you in a track meet and they use same boat and you not. Yeah, because they gonna give you some easy ones, some good looks that's gonna seduce you into playing that style of play. And next thing you know, look, we got a 138, 135-point game. This is what the Pacers want. They don't think you can put this pace. Nicks, this is not the pace the Nicks wanna play at

or need to play at. Look, you got to slow this tempo down. I mean, look, you got 69 points at the half. That's right up the pace of Allen. They want a 65, 75 halftime pace. It was right. They want to get up and down. Yeah.

And when you play that style, you need to be very, very careful because I don't know if that's what you're equipped to do. And look, Kat played phenomenal tonight. I thought Brunson played phenomenal. I mean, both teams played really well tonight. Now, they called some tiki-taka stuff early, but late in the ball game,

they did not want the Knicks to lose. Nah. That was an A and one on Toppin'. It was. McCall branches hit him, he got him in the chest, and he hit him on the arm andicks to lose. Nah. That was an A and one on Toppin'. It was. McHale Bridges hit him. He got him in the chest, and he hit him on the arm and on the shoulder. And they didn't call it.

That was a damn one. That should have been a chance for him to go to the line and have a four point lead. I agree. I agree. On the rebound, they downed McHale Bridges, pulled the band down again. He was like, damn, you pulled the band playing down.

And they like, hey, play, hey, Mitchell Lerner, that's my guy Mitch. Hey They're like play on I like what damn y'all ain't gonna call no foul, right? Hey, this playoff basketball Hey another thing I will say because Indiana so deep and remember I've always talked about they got at least six guys who average double figures in the playoffs Yep, this doesn't surprise me that Nate Smith had a game like this What what what what I was really concerned about the Knicks was down the stretch You see how them shots kept coming up short

You had a leg going yeah them legs going because you don't play it at this tempo that you ain't necessarily Custom to playing it every night in Indiana. This is what they do because they don't really have guys who play it 45 42 minutes a night. Mm-hmm. So, uh, this So this was an up and down game and you know, in favor of the Pacers and wow, it didn't disappoint man. When he hit that shot, I was like, oh my God. But I said, I was like, man, hey, when it hit, it went straight up and down, I said, watch this thing go in. I'm like, yeah, Joe, I'm like, I said, watch this thing go in.

I told Shelly, I said, Shelly, watch this go in. And she started screaming, I was like, oh my goodness. There's a difference. Walking on the treadmill for 45 minutes versus jogging or sprinting on the treadmill for 45 minutes. And you see, the paces are used to sprinting on the treadmill. Yeah. So you sprint for 45 versus the team that, oh, I exercise, I get my exercise in, okay.

Yeah. It's kind of like when I tell people like, look, you can do lip weights, and then you can do cardio. But when you combine the two, And then you can do cardio, but when you combine the two, that's when you can see somebody cardio capacity. Because I'm combining, I'm forcing you to use your strength, your muscles, and the other muscle, that heart. So if you notice, sometimes you get guys that are really strong, and you can find someone that's really good at cardio.

But when I combine the two, now, like oh damn. Yeah. And that's what the Pacers want you to do. They want you to get up and down. They want you to try to say, oh man, we about to get 130. We about to get 140. Amen. We've seen the Nicks. We've seen the Pacers a couple of times this year. Get 140, get 150 points in regulation. You gotta be careful playing at their tempo, playing at their pace. I thought this game, look, I tell you what, if somebody told you, if you're a Nick fan and somebody say,

hey, Brunson gonna shoot 25 times, he's gonna make 15 of them, he's gonna have 43 points. Cass gonna have 35 and 12. You're like, well, we won the game. Yeah. We won the game. Yeah. We won the game. Absolutely. That's what you're saying.

If your two big guns and they fire and they go off and they're efficient while they're doing it. Now, if Brunson had 43 points and it took him 32 shots to get it, I ain't impressed with that. If Kat had 35 and it took him 25 shots to get it, I ain't impressed with that. It took Kat 17 shots to get it, I ain't impressed with that. It took Kett 17 shots to get 35 points. It took Brunson 25 shots to get 43. They shot 51% from the floor, but they gave up 51% from the floor. They gave up 41% from the three-point line. And you didn't turn them over like you did Boston. You didn't turn them over like you did Detroit.

Now, they got really good ball handlers. Halliburton's gonna have the ball in his hand and he's not a turnover guy. McConnell comes in, he's not a turnover guy. The thing I like about McConnell, he knows who and what he is. Like I'm not Tyrese Halliburton. I'm not Shay Gildge's.

I'm not Luca. I'm not one of these guys. Hey, I don't need to be fast. All this between my legs or behind my back and herky-jerky stuff. This is who I am. I'm effective though. I'm gonna get it done.

I'm effective and I'm gonna get it done and I promise you wherever we at, I'm gonna take us to another level where you're gonna never drop off. That's why I love T.J. McConnell and his presence that he brings on the court, it ain't the prettiest, but I promise you, as a backup PG, I don't know if it can get

too much better than him. He comes in with it on his mind, man. He's aggressive offensively and defensively. He's a pest. Yes. He moves them puppies well. Just like Peyton Pritchett. Yeah.

Just like Peyton Pritchett. But not even just him. Even these other guys, the OB Toppins, the Matthewins, when they come- OB was great tonight. All are defensive minded. And then offensively, it kind of fuels the offensive where they able to get steals, get in the passing lanes,

get fast break points, and then it kind of get them going. Man, I thought Indiana was special tonight. In that atmosphere, can you imagine what it's like playing in there on a weight team? Like them dudes came in, man, and I'm talking about from the start of the game, I felt they imposed their will and they never gave up. Even when they were down 14 points,

you know, they were still fighting. They were still under three minutes. Points off turnovers in game one. The Pacers for fifteen turnovers they got twenty seven points. The Knicks for seven turnovers they got four points. The Knicks had a ninety nine point seven percent a ninety nine point seven percent chance of winning the game with two minutes and fifty one seconds they're up fourteen. Teams up 14 plus in the final two and a

half two minutes and 50 seconds of playoff fourth quarter game or overtime in the play-by-play era 977 and one the one you just witnessed it tonight if you watch this game and the shot in the play-by-play era I think the play-by-play goes back 1996 97, correct? I Think that's when they started to play by play you talking about 977 and one Hey, hey, how about it in this band 1996, okay in That span them last three minutes of the game. I made threes and they stream like forever seemed like three hours

Oh, man I made threes and they seemed like forever, seemed like three hours. Oh man, look, they kept getting three, they get a stop, like it was just, they kept tripping, like man, they not finna come back. And I'll be, I'll be damned. This was, this was an amazing game. And hopefully we get six more. Ocho, I don't know why I know you was having technical difficulties trying to get logged on but the Pacers come back 138 135 down 14 points with two minutes and under three

minutes left in the ballgame and you heard me read off the stat. They had a 99.7% chance of winning and the play- player, which started in 1996 teams are 977 and Oh, until tonight, when you're up by that many points with that few time without that few time on the clock and the Knicks gave it away, give them credit. They pass in lane. They were getting deflections. They almost, they almost got it earlier. Mimhar almost got one or got another one. Yeah, them aren't almost got one got another one

Yeah, but this game was sensational night Aaron Eastman 30 points not a 13 8 of 9 From the three-point line. He scored 20 big points in the fourth Aaron Eastman this playoff. He's 35 point 35 what 35 made threes he has 35 made threes. He has 35 made threes. He's third in the NBA, 54% for three point line. Most big, most big contract year. Hey, go ahead, old Joe. Hey, Uncle Joe, listen, this is what I call playoff basketball.

Now, I've watched some basketball over the years, so I've never seen a game like the night. I've never seen a game like the night. When your two big guns are on fire and they hitting on all cylinders like they like cat and Brunson were you expected to win a game like this when yes by that amount of points on with that little time left to go in the game you not expecting the other team to come back and win regardless of circumstance or any hypothetical you come up with but what we saw tonight is seem unreal it was like something out of a movie this is how how this is how movie story endings happen they happen like what we saw tonight this is a great game you you

said it too the Knicks won't be able to keep up with that offensive pace i think they need to they need to play at their own pace and not playing the way the players play. Used to running up and down the floor, back and forth, but goddamn, man. That tonight was a beautiful game. Now if we get six more games like this, this might be the guest seven game series of all time. If the game end like this in this manner.

Oh, you think it's going seven? No, I'm just throwing it out there But I just like you just like you just like to gain a day the first day Hey, what scares me also is that thing? Just like the wolves game. It was very important to win game one Yeah, very important for to me for the Knicks to win game one, especially at home. You got, you got to steal that game. Hey, go ahead. Joe, go ahead.

Well, Ocho was saying that he don't know if the Knicks can keep up with this pace. They should play their pace. They can't because you know why the paces apply so much pressure that they forcing the Knicks to speed up. Meaning if I'm guarding you full court, yeah, at some point you might get a step on me so you figure you may have to go and take what you can get. You see what I'm saying?

So it's like they induced the Knicks to play in this pace and it works in their favor because down the stretch, look what you had. You got a lot of sloppy basketball from the Knicks, a lot of turnovers, a lot of mishaps and ultimately it cost you the game. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Look, I did not think, but you know what happens Joe? A lot of times when you down by so many points and all of a sudden you make a comeback, you start to feel like, oh we

gonna get this one. Yeah. You start to feel that you're going to win. The other team starts to feel like we're about to lose because they see 14, 11, nine, eight, seven. Oh damn. Hold on. What happened? What happened to that lead? And everybody, all the fans like, damn, come on clock. The clock can't go fast enough.

Hey, I'm, I'm good, but I honestly, you know, you said with the Pacers doing what they do as far as forcing the Knicks to play outside of their comfort zone, you got to be uncomfortable being uncomfortable. You got to continue to play the Knicks pace because if you're trying to keep up and do just because they put pressure on you and it's causing you to have turnovers and makes ill-advised passes or having mistakes. That's the reason you losing the game. So you, you listen, I don't know how you able to do it.

Joe, especially from a basketball standpoint, say, when I think about boxing and there's a pressure fighter, yeah, trying to force you to fight, but to do everything you can in your will to stay relaxed, to stay calm under pressure and continue to do your game or whatever your game plan stay relaxed, to stay calm, under pressure, and continue to do your game or whatever your game plan may be. The Knicks gonna have to find a way, regardless of the pressure that Indiana is applying, to stay within their game because that's not the way you guys play basketball. It's just not.

But here's the thing though, Ocho. The bullet keeps coming up hitting you side your head and you say, nah, just don't worry about it. That is not what you do. At some point in time, you got to fight back. So what happens is, is that they're playing at this phonetic place and you're like, Hey man, I got me a couple of easy basket too. Hey, look at that. Hey, I bet the rim.

Boom. I got me a couple of easy ones. You like, okay, this easy right here. This easy. And the next thing you know, you've gotten yourself into something that you really didn't want to get into. It's kind of like, Oh Joe, you got a one point lead. Now what you should do is go down into one yard line.

But what the guy want to do, he want to celebrate. So he going to the end zone. Next thing you know, they get a touchdown, get a two point conversion. They get the ball in overtime first. And now you're like, damn, what happened? Well, what happened? You did what you weren't supposed to do? And it's a lot easier, you know understand it's a lot easier said than done because like you say but I'm looking at the Knicks Even at that phonetic pace Joe

I got a 14-point lead with under three minutes to go and I got Mikhail Bridges and I got OG Ananobe and I got Josh Hart. That should be, that those three players with Jalen Brunson and Cat should be enough to hold that because they were enough to get that. So if they're good enough to get it, they should be good enough to keep it. Let me ask you a question. What is, read off that percentage again. When you have, when you're up by that many points, with that little time left to go, what is the percentage again

with your chance to win that game? The Knicks had a 99.7% chance to win when they led by 14 with two minutes and 51 seconds to go. You know what? Teams up by 14 plus in the final two minutes and 50 seconds of a playoff fourth quarter or overtime in the play by play era. Prior to tonight, they had been 977 and 0.

After tonight, they're 977 and 1. That one, the Knicks. You know what, tonight, honestly, it's probably a little too late, depending on where you live or where you are, I think we all need to play the lotto. Huh? We all need to play the lotto.

Man, listen, I pick Indiana to go to the finals. My thing is, man, come on, stop playing. You know, we got that little bit we got. Come on, don't act like that. Don't act like that. Okay, hold your. You got a little, you got, y'all got it. You got a little bit we got. Come on, don't act like that. Don't act like that. Okay, Ocho. You got a little, y'all got it. You got a little double or nothing on it, Joe.

Yes, I'm a scout. So listen, with Brunson and Cat playing as fishing as they played today, and they end up still losing the game, I mean. It's like, Ocho, it's like, it's like you, you go for 175 TJ get a 115 Carson throw for 375. You got to run it back one for a hundred and you somehow you lost the game by four. You know, like how much better you saw your bingo do this all the time.

Yeah. Chase Higgins go off. Uh huh. No, for 400. Mm-hmm And you like how we lose and how but my thing is They may what if they what if they not efficient like this in the next game? I know they Smith may not go eight for nine from three

But they gonna have other guys who gonna step up and gonna play big and you can count on it If Bronson and cat don't play like this, they won't be in no games, bro. They won't even be in no games. What I love is Halliburton was aggressive. 23 shot attempts. Yeah. 12 three-point attempts.

They get into trouble when he's on five, he got five attempts. He got eight attempts. Yeah, you got eight attempts. No, bro No, uh-uh. No now not now. You need we need you aggressive We need you pushing pace try to get down here If you can get all the way down to the rim get all the way down to the rim And if they come to collapse, hey, you got good great basketball IQ kick it out. Damn. Oh, chillin measure question You know, what's gonna get you sick? huh, you

Luxury did they get you sick? Did they get you sick? Oh, no, no, no, no, I got The missus got me sick. Hold on. Okay, oh Joe. I was a panatist another night and I seen your old Joe was a little spider. He said they were ballet dancers. He had some ballet What what kind of ballet they do oh show adult ballet Like Gregory like Gregory Hines like like baryshnikov ballet. Yeah, yeah, baby. Basically that big man It's more exotic. It's more it's uh, it's more on the luxurious side of ballet. It is, hey listen, it's still very graceful, but it's just different types of movement.

Just for the grown and sexy. Exactly, Joe. Oh yeah, yeah. Hey Joe, I gotta take you out there. I just got me a job, I'm the head security out there, and I just applied for the head chef job at area 29. You know, cause you know I can cook. You know, I went to-

Nah, you don't need to cook. No, hey, hold on, hold on. Oh, I went to La Corleone Blue. I didn't finish. I did two semesters, but I had to go back and take care of some business. But that's like saying I went to two semesters of law school at Harvard. You not no lawyer. Wow.

Listen, you're not a lawyer, but the LAW is there. So law, you just ain't got the right car yet. Lawless. Yeah, Joe, hey, Joe, it's beautiful. A beautiful establishment, Joe. Area 29, you got to check it out. It ain't over here, nothing like a dope bar. Matter of fact, you know who, hey, you know who spot that is?

Who? Earl Thomas. Is it? That's why, area 29. Yeah, that's what it's 29. Yeah, OK. Makes sense. Makes sense. Yeah.

Tyrese Halliburton, game one, 30 points, 11 assists, one turnover. He's one of five players with a 30-10 a game this playoffs. Jalen Brunson, 43 points, five assists on 15 of 25 field goal attempts. He's the first Nick ever with a 40 point game in the conference finals. I don't know how much better he can play. Maybe he says, you know what, maybe if I cut my turnovers in half. Give you what I gave you last night offensively, but cut the turnovers. He had as many turnovers by himself as the entire Pacer team.

And look, you turn the ball over, it leaves to run out, it leads to easy baskets, and you try to make it as difficult as you possibly can on the opposing team. Nothing easy. In football terms, Joe, we say nothing cheap, nothing deep. Right. All right, look, I think with Brunson, I'm kind of bored lying on a lot of them fouls he be getting on. Like, he initiated a lot of the contact.

Oh, of course he does. Hey, Joe, he initiated right with the shoulder and he took the head back. And then he kind of flail. When he throw the head back, that's called great acting. Ocho, I'm so sick of looking at that, Ocho. I wanna see good basketball, man. That's good basketball.

It looks the same, but you don't like watching Shea play then, cause Shea does the exact same thing. He do the same thing, but what I'm saying is Indiana is playing great defense. Like he ain't really just beating them like that off the dribble, but what I'm saying is, Indiana is playing great defense. Like, he ain't really just beating them like that off the dribble, so they stand with him with the first two, three steps. And then he initiate the contact and flair,

and it's like, Indiana, I'm like, man, they playing great defense. They getting a bad whistle out of here, man. He shot 14 free throws May 12. He probably should have shot about half of that. Like, it was a lot of marginal, you know, calls that I thought that he got tonight. I was like, man, listen, that's great defense.

You know, I think- Bro, Miles McBride shot as many free throw attempts as the most on the Pacers. Pascal had five, and Matheran had five. Miles McBride had five free throw attempts. Like you mentioned, Jalen Brunson had 14. Cat had 11. Hey, Indiana ain't studying none of that.

They getting to their chicken. They don't care at all, Joe. Nah. They don't care at all. This was a great game. I hope we get something comparable tomorrow in the Western Conference finals. This is what I want to see because supposedly, allegedly,

these are the four best teams, Ocho. They go to two best teams in the Eastern Conference, the two best teams in the Western Conference. It shouldn't be that big, that vast of a difference. And we shouldn't see 30 in 40 point victories. I'm not saying that we should, everything should come down to the buzzer, but I'm saying you got to the conference finals

and you losing by 30? Yeah, everybody should be equally. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Everybody should be equally yoked to this point. Especially this autumn. We should be two evenly matched ball clubs. But this was anable ball game. The Pacers had 69 points in the half.

They got 21 in the third, 35 in the eighth in the fourth quarter. And then you got 62 from the Indiana. Then they get 25, so they cut into the lead. And then they get another cut into the lead. They get 38 points in the fourth, and they outscored them 13-10 in the overtime. And they win, go on the road, snatch home court, 138 to 135.

Anything that we know about Indiana, they get greedy. They're not content with just one. We saw them go to Cleveland, still game one. And what did they do? They said, you know what? We want sweet states. Not only do we want them in mega million, we want powerball too. And while you at it, give us fantasy five.

We want it all. We want them in Mega Million, we want Powerball too. And while you at it, give us Fantasy 5. We want it all. So, I got them winning by landslide in game too. I just feel like this pace, obviously they gonna keep up and I just don't, I think the Knicks going way down. Obviously I've said that in the past couple series, but at the pace that the Pacers play with,

it's gonna be hard for the Knicks to keep up with that man, for Brunson and Cat to play like this the entire series. Yeah. I don't know if they can do that, guys. I'm gonna be honest with you. I mean— Shay Gill just went, no, he did what everybody knows is the worst kept secret. He won the MVP.

33 points, five, six, and two. Best player, best team, first in points, second in steel, first in plus minus, first in 30 point games, first in 40 point games, first in 50 point games. Last year he finished runner up. A lot of the been made about Shay being at the free throw line. 29 of the NBA MVPs attempted more free throws

in the MVP season than she did this year. 29 of the MVPs and the MVP season attempted more free throws than what she did in his MVP season. Or you know what they tell me. And we're getting a whole lot of buckets. Oh Joe. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. A lot of buckets. Oh Joe. Yeah. Yeah He flat-out got game now happy for Shay Obviously, you know, I know this is a special moment for him I'm sure this is something he's kind of set out to do probably over the last few years when he probably seen that it was really possible and Him getting slighted last year. I think it put a little fire in the comeback Yeah, even better. And that don't happen a lot of times, man.

You know, sometimes you'll see a guy in it and then he'll fade away. But Shea, he's been right there bro from, from, from the start. Hey, when you look at it, right? I'm not, I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to say he's this individual. I'm saying the way he carries himself, the way he about his game is worth it. I love everything about it You know, huh? I love everything about the man, you know, I you know, I want to compare it to Oh Old 20 old 24 down in LA just his approach to the game his style. Yeah mannerisms He takes it the chip that he wears on his shoulder. Never complaining.

He just goes out and he plays ball. I agree. All he do is play ball, Joe. Yeah. Swoop nail. Yeah, on and off the court. Yeah. Every man listen, man.

Yeah, and the thing is, you know, I'm reading what his quotes about that. He said, I figured I could be really good because I saw the work that I was putting into it and then I control what I can control and then what I can't, I don't worry about. He said, but never did I imagine this. You see, and I've said this all the time, Ocho, you hear me say this all the time.

It's hard for me to see a player not getting incrementally better. I'm not saying that he's going to all of a sudden be an undrafted free agent and all of a sudden he's going to go to an MVP. But I'm saying it's hard if you're putting the work in. So you can't be mad for results you didn't get for the work that you didn't put in.

Hello. Because see, a lot of times, Joe, people get mad at results they didn't get for work they didn't put in. Why are you mad when you know? You see, for me, I don't know what a person does. I can just tell you, I can just speak to what I did, what I do.

So therefore, when I have success, I'm not surprised by the success that I have because I know how hard I worked. Now, hard work, and I do what I tell kids all the time when they do a lot more speaking engagements. I say hard work doesn't guarantee you anything, but I can tell you this without it. You don't have a chance It doesn't guarantee that you're gonna get everything that you asked for which is set out to accomplish But without it, you don't have a chance

right so I see this young man and I see where he came from he got traded because The Clippers police say you know what we won't Paul George and Kawhi won't Paul and I get it I get Kawhi. Kawhi says I'm in win-not-move same thing. We talked about Joe about a Cooper flag Yeah, I ain't got time for him to get good. I need to win I need to be good right now, so you wanted Paul George who was an all-star all NBA player can play both ends of the court But you see this young man now. This is his third straight year, I think he's averaged 30 points a game. There ain't a whole lot of guys

in the history of the game can say that. Right. Absolutely. And he's efficient while he's doing it. If you average 30 and you shooting 42%, that tell me you put up a whole lot of damn shots and people get seduced by raw numbers. Yeah. Right.

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. This man shoot 51% from the floor. and people get seduced by raw numbers. Yeah. Right. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. This man shoot 51% from the floor. Can I ask you a question? Ain't a whole lot of people that have ever done, whole lot of guards have ever done that. Right. Can I ask you a question, Joan?

Yes. You know your history much better than I do. You know the history of the game of basketball much better than I do. In comparison to what SGA has been able to do Being efficient from the field scoring 51% while putting up a lot of shots in comparison Who does he compare to from the past? The only guy that's done this from a guard is Jordan

To score 30 plus and shoot 50% from the floor only Jordan has done it at the guard position Okay, I'm just curious because I wanted you to say that because I heard someone say, I just know reading the chat, just reading the chat and, Oh, people are so quick to compare somebody to Kobe. So I just wanted you to hear the numbers and why the comparison can't be through based on what he's actually doing in real life. Yeah. He's, he's, he's more, look, he's more efficient. Hardness kind of reminds you more like Kobe. Yeah.

With, you know, they're going to score a bunch of points, but they're not going to do it in the most efficient manner. Now, can they have nights where they go 50% from the floor? Absolutely. But more times than not, they're going gonna be probably around that 46, 45%. This kid is shooting half his, he's making half his shots. Now, the playoff notwithstanding,

cause he hadn't been as efficient in the postseason as he has in the regular season. But you look at all the top guys, none of them have. Even Nikola Jokic wasn't as efficient in the postseason as he was in the regular season Obviously thing changes you're playing better teams Those get those guys get to focus on you on a nightly or on a nightly or every other night basis And it's not you're playing Charlotte one night. You're playing Milwaukee. You're playing Orlando. You're playing Atlanta

You play in Miami this team set their whole game plan up to deal with you over the course of two weeks if necessary Yeah, because when you compete in the playoffs, you know, we're going to pay attention to every little detail and teams pay attention to details and we want to take your strengths, we want to take them away from you in the playoffs. You know what I mean? We want to make you have to use a counter. We want to make you have to pass it to somebody else and make a play. But you let alone yourself, we're not going to really let you play everything you get. You're going to have to pass it to somebody else and make a play. But you, let alone yourself,

we not gonna really let you play. Everything you get, you gonna have to work hard for. Yeah. Yes. The stars in the playoffs this year, the Shays, the Yokes, you know, them dudes had, they have had to work tremendously hard just to kind of get theirs off. The one thing I love about Shay, Uncle Ocho,

he's not just offensive minded. Like he, yeah, he has an arsenal as far as his offensive package, but defensively, bro, he sits down, he plays both ends of the court, he gets his teammates involved, and that team, they love being around each other. That's a scary team. Yep. I love them. I'm happy for Shea, man.

This is a huge, huge accomplishment for him, And I'm sure he's proud of it. And he's the type of guy who try to build on it and try to learn a couple more MVPs. Yeah. As well as you should. SGA met the Supermax criteria. All NBA, two out of three seasons, last offseason. But he was ineligible to sign because of the short years of service. Because he won the MVP, he's going to be an all NBA selection. He's now eligible for the super max Ocho five years, 380 million, or he can sign the four year, 294 million, but would have to wait to the

2026 off season. I'm good. I got nothing to do. Y'all still paying me 30 million, right? 35 million right now? Hey, what you gonna do? You gonna ride that 30, you gonna ride that 30 million out, right? To 2026 and then next season, you know, hit us up ahead for that 5 year 380. Or the 4 year, you take the 4 year 294. Nah, let's go get that money. I mean, you got real eyes. Hey, you gotta realize, Shay only 26. Oncho, let's just say I wait the next year. I'll be 27. I get that super max 380. That's 32.

I get me another super max at 32, hit me to 37, that's gonna probably be 450. Mm, ugh. Huh? 394. Okay, my bad. I added a million dollars to it. It's 293 not 294

Hey, 93 94 What I don't want to know on Joe, what can't you do with 293 that you need 294 to absolutely do it? When you when you get that kind of money ain't nothing there ain't nothing that you won't say you know what? Man, I want that house it happened to be 294 million dollars. I sure wish I'd have got that extra me Well, I won't this car or I want whatever the case may be on show there ain't nothing that you can't do That's what I tell guys all the time broke. Okay, you like a couple of million dollars three million dollars. Okay, what can't you do? With 17 million that you absolutely got to have to do with 20? Right.

Well, I agree. Hey, I'm doing, they, these dudes want their money on though. They ain't, they ain't cutting no, he ain't cutting them no slack, no discount. And he is well deserving man. The work that they do. I'm going guess what? Cause he can sign the 293 this off season or he can wait to, I'm signing that right now. Yeah.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, hey Joe. I pray that contract don't die here. Cause hey, we can date it at a later date and time, but I want my signature only. I'm taking that phone. Cause here, okay, he signed the next year, 26 off season. That's 76 million per year. Or I can take 73.3 right now.

Give me 73.3. I think if he take the one now, he'll probably still be able to keep some of them dudes around, right? Yeah. Take that 76. Will they still be able to keep them dudes around him? Not everybody.

Well, hey, guess what? Cause by that time, that'll to have that'll be Chad. Chad will be coming up. Yeah. Well, it's interesting to see what they got with Jalen Williams because that's the thing they want to do away with the super team. Now they'll have their bird's rights. But the question is guys like, man, she making 76.

I stay here. I'm only going gonna make 36. I can go somewhere else and make 50. That's how I got to start the thing. You're like, hold on. 36, now hold on. 36 times four, that's 72, that's 144. Or I can do 50 times four, that's 200.

Yeah, now that's a big difference, Joe. 144 versus 200. We're talking about a 56 million over four years. We're talking about a 56 million dollar difference. That's 14 million per year. Now we're talking about a whole different ballgame, but Joe, we ain't talking about two to five million. We're talking about 56 million.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's definitely a difference. You know where it kind of puts me in mind when I was playing in Phoenix before I left? You know, the year I had to play, the year I played with Nash, and that was the only year I played with him. It was my contract year because the start of that...

The start of that season, they brought in Nash and Quentin Richardson. They paid them big money to come in. So they kind of put me on the back burner, like, I know we said we was gonna take care of you this summer, but we just gonna wait till next summer. Not we said we was gonna take care of you this summer But we just gonna wait to next summer not knowing that we was gonna be the best team in the league at that time then nobody right So they offered me 45 million. Okay, oh Joe and I turned it down. Oh They offered me 45. I got turned it back. I said now I feel like you know, we play it out. Shit, I can get more than 45.

We played it out and we ended up being number one team. Now we lost in the Western Conference Finals, but I ended up getting 70 to come here to Atlanta. Atlanta, right. You know what I'm saying? That's 25, that's a 25. Yeah, that's a big difference. Hell yeah it is.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Absolutely, yeah. Hey, I got a better understanding now. Okay yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Double that. Double the bump. He double the bump, Ocho. Ocho, boy, you got that back, man. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ocho, Ocho. Okay, Ocho, I work hard for mine, man. I work hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen. Hey, look.

We all work hard. Some of us get paid differently, though. You know? I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand. Yeah. HSGA will soon become the highest paid player in the NBA. Very well deserved guys, put the time in. Don't call it the problem. They play the game the right way. You can't be mad at somebody that haven't had success. Three teams with three players to win the MVP, the Thunder. Russ, KD, Shay, 76ers.

Dr. J won it, W Thunder, Russ, KD, Shea, 76ers. Dr. J won it, Wilt won it, and Joel Embiid won it. Lakers, man, what are we talking about here? He out the boat. Celtics, man, what are we talking about, man? The Rockets, you know, they had Moses Malone won it. They had Akeem Olajuwon win it. They had James Harden win it. They had Akeem Olajuwon win it. They had James Harden win it. Yeah, yeah.

And the third, there's only been a team since 2008. Moses won it, Moses, for the Rockets won it twice. Won it once with the Sixers first year that he won the championship. Obviously Akeem won it and Harden won it. But the Celtics, when you look at the Celtics, I mean, you got Havlicek, I think Dave Cowans won it. Bill Russell won it.

The Lakers, you got Shaq, Colby. I'm trying to think who else won it. Did Wilt win it? I don't think Jerry West won it. I would probably say, oh, Kareem! What the hell? And Magic, what the hell am I thinking? Sheesh.

Kareem won it three times. He won it three with the Lakers and three with the Bucks. Magic won it three times. Kobe won one and Shaq won one. Jared West didn't win it. Jared was the finals MVP. The first year they had it initiated in 1969. He won the championship.

They lost seven games to the Celtics, but he was the first finals MVP. Put some, hey. Oh, AI with six is okay. You gotta put some respect on Sam Pressley's name over there. Oh, he's done a great job. Okay, but you know what, Joe? He'll have to close the deal now.

Yeah. You gotta close the deal, because think about it, you got guys, I mean, think it, you drafted three top 75 players. Yeah. And two or three MVP's there. James Harden went to Houston and won it. But at some point in time, you got to close the deal now.

We know you can select talent. And he selected these guys, KD, Russ, Harden. Make the trade for Shay. trade for, for shade. You drafted Jaylen Williams, all these other guys, you make the trade for Lou Dor, all these other guys, you're Chet Hongren, you drafted, you signed a Hardenstein and Fredency, you drafted Reggie Jackson.

I mean, you've done, hey, Serge Ibaka. Hey, it's only so much he's gonna be able to do. Now, he gonna get you, he gonna put the pieces in place, but he can't go out there and play. Some of this gonna have to, the ownership gonna have to take up amongst the players to be able to come out and compete and be the last team standing. They've been the best team the whole entire regular season. Yes.

For him, he's done his job. He just gotta hope that they sustain and pull through on these playoffs. So I think at some point, they'll eventually get one if not this year, which I feel like is wide open. I don't feel like, obviously no. This might be their best chance to get it too though.

It might be, it might be man, but hey, it ain't gonna be easy. I promise you that. KD, you look at KD, when he won the MVP averaged 32 points seven rebounds five and a half assists he shot 50 39 87. Shay in his MVP season 32.7 five rebounds 6.4 assists 52 38 90. Russ when he averages triple double thirty one point six ten point seven ten point four forty three percent from the floor thirty four percent from the three eight five percent from the free throw line so

Great job Sam Prestick Congratulations shade very very well deserve the Thunder organization and you guys playing well This is what the Clippers traded to get Paul George. They traded Shea Gilder's Alexander, Danello, Danello, Danello, Golanari. 2022 first round pick, 2024 first round pick, 2026 first round pick. Miami's 2021 first round pick. Miami's 2023 first round pick. A lot of protected. The Clippers first round pick. Rice too. In 2023 they get the Rice

toy pick swap. This year they get the Clippers Rice toy pick swap. So they got one, two, three, four, five first round picks, two pick swaps for Shay Gildes and Gali Nari for Paul George. They didn't, they didn't see, I knew, I've seen the word Doc say, he kind of knew Shay was going to be special, but they didn't see this. Yeah, not this. Yeah, I thought he was going to be good. Yeah, he's going to be good. But come on now. They didn't see this because if they seen yeah I thought he's gonna be good yeah he's gonna be good but not come on now. They ain't see this because if they seen this they wouldn't have got rid of him. You know what well they had to but they had to because Kawhi was gonna go to the Lakers

yeah you really want do you really want Kawhi, AD and LeBron and you're playing in the basement at least Kawhi gave you some credibility now at least you think because Kawhi has won his finals MVP twice. He's defensive player of the year twice. So he's given you hope. He's given the Clippers fans hope. That's why, you know, Uncle Dennis, I think that's his name, Uncle Dennis, and you make concessions what you gave Kawhi to get it. You make those concessions.

Yeah. Hey, Joe, you know, you think Kawhi would have, I mean, not Kawhi, you think SGA would have become who we became if you traded? No. That's what I don't know either because sometimes, a lot of times when you get traded, it puts a little fire in you because, you know, as a player, you know, it's a business, but at the same time, you kind of feel like in the back of your mind, you don't want me. That team didn't really really want me All right, I'm gonna show him. I'm gonna show him Makes you lock in a little harder to you know to prove

I don't want to say prove them wrong, but you know kind of prove I want to prove myself, right? I prove myself that I am the player who I think I am And he's done that bro since he stepped in. Okay, see he's he's made tremendous leaps and bounds every year. And that's what's impressed me the most. Because here's the thing, Ocho, because the office, Kawhi's gonna be first option. He's first option in OKC. It's just like Brandon Ingram. No, he couldn't have been that with LeBron.

LeBron and Ingram need to get his own team. Guys need to get the Julius Randle. No, he wouldn't have been that. He needsron. LeBron and Ingram need to get his own team. Guys need to get the Julius Randall. No, he wouldn't have been that. He needs to be on his own team. Right. Sometimes a guy needs to be on their own team. I'm the first option so I can grow. I can get, I'm only gonna, Ocho,

I'm only gonna get so big when there's a lot of shade on me. I need the sun to shine on me. That's a good one, I like that, I like that. I need the sun to shine on me. I said, Goodwin, I like that. I like that. I need the sun to shine on me. So no, not with Kawhi, no, he was not. He was not. Does that woman happen in basketball? You think?

Uh-huh. Basketball, does it only happen in basketball where a Kawhi? No, we've seen it. We've seen Priest Holmes. You saw Priest Holmes when he left Baltimore, what he did when he went to Kansas City? Right.

All down. Because he was a backup. How could I do? I could only do so much. You coming in and you giving me five, I get five, seven carries a game. Now, I'm averaging five and a half, six yards a carry, but guess what happens?

When you give me, now I'm getting 20, 25 carry. I'm getting 25, 30 touches. Right. Okay, I go get you 28 touchdowns. I'll be a first team All-Pro a couple years, average 50, rush for 50 on the yards. Was one of the two or three best backs in the league before I messed up my hip.

Yeah. No. I can only do so much, Ocho, when you don't allow me to get with X amount of touches. Yeah, but see, you don't see the difference. You talk about in football, you have to rely on them calling plays for you. You have to give them you the ball. Your opportunities come from an official coordinator.

Okay, we're calling this play for you. When I think about basketball and some of the greats that have opportunities to play together, but in turn, you guys say, in order for them to grow, they need their own team. The game of basketball is free flowing. There's one ball, but it's only five people on the court. Yes. So I see it based on names and what I know they can do.

Well, hell, if they should all be able to play together, all of you good. Shoot the ball with the hair you motherfucking want to shoot it. All right. You see, some guys who are really good complementary pieces don't know it until, you know, their time has to prove himself. Meaning, you know, look at Julius Randall. Even though he's a hell of a player, like, he's been through enough to where he knows and understands, okay, I'm playing with Ant-Man. I know he's first option, but I'm gonna be the best Robin he could possibly have.

You know what I mean? Right. As far as being aggressive, making plays, and some nights he's gonna probably get off the slow start, so I gotta be the guy to pick it up. I feel like Randall is a guy who has really came into himself and he knows and understands his role and he's been playing it to the tee, especially in these playoffs.

So that's kinda like one example I would definitely give. You know what I mean? Jalen Brunson, you think Jalen Brunson is this if he's still in Dallas with Luca? No, he needed his own team. Okay. Primary ball handler. It is what it is.

Let's, let's be real. He's not this. He needed his own team in order to flourish. That's okay. So that is the similar with Kyrie leaving, leaving LeBron and Cleveland is the same, same situation. But see, they play different positions. You see Brunson and Luca play the same position. same position they both guard they both need the ball to be dominant

See LeBron and Kyrie can play off each other It's just like Shaq and Kobe Shaq and Kobe is easy to play cuz it's a big and a little Magic and Kareem. It's a big and a little yeah now we got two we got two we got two we got two threes We got who we got two poor we got That threes. We got, we got two, poor, we got. That's why you go back and look at the Lakers. They had Norm Nixon, they had Magic Johnson. Norm Nixon was a damn good point guard. But in order for Magic to be, he didn't need to share.

So what we're going to do, we're going to get rid of, we're going to trade Norm to the Clippers and we're going to go draft Brian Scott. Yeah. Yeah. Now we got a guy that can shoot. He can fill the lanes. We got James Worthy. So we got two guys that can fill. Guess what? We get into a half-gore set. Okay, Cap, what you want it? To the right or to the left?

Right. Right. Right. Hey, look, I think about when Kyrie play with LeBron, he's like the ultimate two guard, Ocho. I don't necessarily look at him as a point. I think playing with LeBron, because LeBron's so unselfish, it allowed Kyrie to kind of naturally play that scoring role, because he scores the ball with the best of him. And he was more of a two guard to me, playing with LeBron.

And I don't know if he just wanted to ball in his hands to be able to make plays, but I thought that was the best position for him. I thought they had a great, great connection, man. Yeah. Look at Steff play with LeBron in the Olympics. Look at KD with LeBron play in the Olympics and how easy open the shots they get.

Yeah. That's what it's like. Hey, yeah, right. You right. Everybody's thinking LeBron is like, damn, ain't never been this open because they guys got to worry about Steph or they got to worry about KD. Yeah. When you play with other great players and you're not playing the same position.

Now sometimes Eagle gets involved and you know, you want to, you know, I want this to be as my team is this's that, whatever the case may be. But you think people be like that for real? Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. It just, you saw that broke. Did you see what happened in New England?

And you talk about, do you think it's like that? You was there. Of course it's like that. Oh, I mean, yeah, that's, that's playing in coach. That's, that's, that's different. I'm just, egos, the greater you are as an individual, the bigger the ego you have. I don't give a damn about the sport.

Right. Be in corporations. If you don't think Amazon and Google and all these companies are competing, you're fooling yourself. You're fooling yourself. Okay. Okay. Nvidia, you don't, don't do that. You don't.

So you don't think Walmart and Costco are competing. Sam's club and Costco compete. You don't think that. You don't think Walmart and Target compete. You don't think that. Yeah. You do. You know they are.

Yeah. Of course. Is it, that's, that's what makes us who we are with your competition. You do, you know they are. Yeah. Of course. That's what makes us who we are with your competition. There was always competition, you go back to whatever. You had to do certain things in order to win the man, to win the father's heart. You had to, it was competition. Well, this guy got, he got four goats, two cows.

What you got? I got some lentils. Nah, that ain't gonna work, bro. I'm sorry. You lost. It is what it is. But this might be one of the worst trades in history. What's that?

The shame for Paul George. Five first rounders and two pick swaps. So they still got the Clippers first round in 26. That's not lottery protected. They still got a pick swap this year, first round. Now Shay, Shay goes through it. Now, Shea, Shea goes through it, he's one of the MVP and he mess around and win a title because you know they win a title, he's going to be his final MVP. Yeah.

Hey, look, it's the risk that you take. You got to. It's the risk that you take when, you know, when you are on a GM and you making these moves. You don't know how none of this is gonna pan out. You're going based on feel or how you think it's gonna pan out. And man, I think all that is lit a fire on the SGA

because since he's left the Clippers, bro, he's done number to sin. And got an MVP. 80-26. 26 with an MVP on his belt, possibly could win a title this year. I don't know what more you can ask from him to prove your worth and what you're capable of doing. So, like I say, man, my hat goes off to him because he seems like a guy

who's not going to be complacent, I can also he seems like a dude who's going to come back and be even more relentless than he was this year. Yeah. Uh, I'm looking forward to seeing his, his, his progression as a player and ultimately who he, who he ends up, you know, becoming and what he's able to accomplish in this sport. It is.

I think the thing is, I don't know how, but I can speak to me. Yeah. Once I made the Pro Bowl, I had an unquenchable first or desire to do it again because anybody can do it once right now Because I nobody expected that you talk about a seventh round draft pick the mainly special teams player and he goes to the Pro Bowl Okay. Now when the game plan for your black ass What you gonna do no The whole different ball game. When they game play, we got A, we got to deal with 85. Man.

Or we got to deal with number two, we got to deal with number seven. Yeah. That's a whole different ball game. You might catch a rabbit. Sneak up on it. Set him down, let him know you trying to catch it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sneak up on it, set him down, let him know you trying to catch it. John, let me ask you this. What's going on with Americans?

Cause in the fifties, fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties, you had no foreign NBA, uh, uh, MVPs in the nineties. You had one Elijah one in the 2000s you had three you had Nash one two dirt one one in 2010 you had one Yonis now in the 2020s and American got one you got Yonis started it off and then you got yoke yoke MB yoke not she started it off and then you got yoke, yoke, MB, yoke, nashay. Man, listen, overseas they grooming them dudes, man. They, they start playing pro ball at 13, 14 years old. They really, really learn the nuances of the game.

They learn how to play versus just going out playing every day. Yeah. So, uh, when, so now, you know, they didn't caught up as far as talent wise. Yeah. How about with us as Americans and man. Their best players might be better than their best Americans. So, because when you look at it, it's hard to say what American player right now is better than Yannis, Yoke or SGA.

It's hard, man. It's yeah, you're right. You're right. Y'all, it's hard. It's hard to say as Americans what Americans are better than them at this. Go ahead. Don't y'all. I'll let you take. You want Jason Tatum?. It's hard to say what Americans are better than them. Go ahead, don't y'all. I'll let you take. You want Jason Tatum? You want A-Man? You want LeBron? I just want to know. I had to look up and think a little bit. Ain't nothing out there. Not right now. Ain't nothing out there not right now. There are other players that will compliment them, you know?

But they look right up under. Right up under far not too far away man yeah right up under I mean you got Yoke averaging a triple double you got Yonis shooting 60% from the floor with 30, 12 and 5 you got MB doing what he's doing when he's healthy you got Shay giving you almost 33 on 50 plus percent shooting. You gotta think, hey, these dudes probably grew up watching the NBA and wanting to be a part. Of course. And they probably just, they just put in the work, man. And this is kind of how it's paid off.

I think- What David Stern envisioned, Joe, was having an American having the Olympic dream team in 92 that opened up the world. Make it global. That opened it up because out of that, you got a dirt and you got Yonis and you got Steve Nash and you got Jokic and you got Luca and you got SGA. That's what you got because they thought that, hold on.

This is a world stage now. Yeah. because they thought that hold on this is a world stage now yeah so now guess what you got from Canada you got Germany you got server you got Slovenia you got Greece and you got Frank you got Wimby yeah you got Manu Manu you got Tony Parker yeah You got Manu, Manu, you got Tony Parker. Yeah, it's, it's, hey, look, the talent, the talent, the talent disparity ain't lopsided no more, you know what I mean? Like everything is pretty much even if not lean more toward the foreigners way. You know, they've kind of come in and, and kind of took the league by storm. When you look up, you like, wow, like the top guys in the NBA right now, you know, outside of LeBron,

you know, KD, them dudes. Steph. Yeah, Steph, but man, these young dudes, these dudes, they running in the league right now. Yeah. Yeah. And because I've been proud of that, I mean, the thing was, and see, and that's why I say, you know,

it's not a foregone conclusion because when the original dream team, they might've had four or five players out of all the other countries in the NBA, you go to any team now. They got four or five NBA players on that team. You go to Serbia, you go to, I mean, you go, you know, Greece got players. You got Canada. Canada is loaded with NBA players. You go to the French team Canada is loaded with NBA players. You go to the French team.

They loaded with NBA players. Yeah, yeah. So all these teams that you're playing where it was just one or two sprinkled in here and there, they got guys. And not only they're in the NBA, they're playing pro ball overseas. So even if they're not in the NBA,

they're playing pro ball. It's not like it is. Oh, hey, man What you doing? What you doing for the next two weeks? Come on. We got to go to the Olympics Hey, no more that oh Joe These are actually playing shea hook this team up with teammates up with Rolexes Follow his MVP announcement Joe and Ocho take a take a look at this video take a look at this video. Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. . Pro Bowl. I had, I think I had like $12,000. I got $12,500 if I made the Pro Bowl.

I went and bought all the offensive linemen Rolexes. The only one that said he didn't want was, I asked John, I said, John, you want a Rolex? He said, nah T, I'm good. I asked Zem. Zem like, nope, I'm good. Rest of the guys, I got the other guys Rolexes, had my name engraved, show them thank you. Cause you know, cause me, Ocho, I believe that I could be wrong, but I damn sure believe they blocking harder when they know a pass will come in the old 84. Yeah, I don't believe that. I like that. I like that. I listen. They like, come on Sharpie. Yeah. I mean, that's different. I think about it. you know, I've never been in a position obviously where I had to To buy teammates, you know playing a sport

Gifts as a thank you now now that you bring it back to keep things in a perspective in context I've bought some watches. Mm-hmm. I bought some watches in and It's funny like now that we're not together, like, can I ask you to watch us back? No. No? Oh, hell no. It can't be no. It was like. My time is valuable and I need the time that you wasted,

I need that watch back, the watches. But you know, there are people sue for that though. People sue for talking about this lady is suing talking about this guy wasted her youth. Right. She's 26. This this guy this lady is suing tell me this guy wasted her youth right she 26 But that's that's that's that's a great gesture or shake congratulations team mates congratulations well-deserved I Think that's dope. That's real live man. That's a great gesture, Shay. Congratulations, teammates. Congratulations, well-deserved. I said that's dope.

That's real live, man. That's real live. The NBA announced Anthony Edwards has been fined 50K for using profane language during an immediate interview following the T-Wolf loss to the Thunder in game one. He said, I only took 13 effing shots. That's... Do they fine him for that yes, but oh Joe we talked about that last night I said oh Joe and only had 13 shots and

He didn't even realize it cuz he look at look at his response. Yes, so, you know what that mean He's gonna come out good in the mall Gonna go crazy. Yeah He's gonna put my gun in the mall. And he's gonna go crazy. Yeah, but look, uh, Ochoa. And just, sometimes he might be a little too raw for TV. You know, it's like he'd be sitting there talking to his homeboys, you know what I mean?

Yeah, he in the barbershop. Yeah, he for real though, Joe, for real. They don't know he'd be right there on ESPN. They got him tapped in. Hey, look, he'd be lost and gone. He'd be like... Hey, Joe, hey, Joe. That's what happened to Ocho and I. We get over here, Ocho,

I forget like, damn, I got a microphone and camera in front of me. I can't... Listen, hey, and we will always remain the same, authentic to yourself. That's why it's called Nightcap for a reason. And I think it's why people not even realizing this ain't linear TV, this ain't television.

This is something completely different. So you're gonna get something different every time you tune in to watch. Ain't no... That's what we come on late at night. Cause I, hey, Joe, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't know what I'm gonna say. And sometimes when it's time to do the show,

I don't know where I'm gonna be. John, I don't know where I'm gonna be. It's like them late night videos, man. Come on. You hope them kids in bed go, yeah, what's gonna come across that TV? Yeah, if you were late night videos, you come on with MTV, that's where they showed you the raunchy stuff. I want my MTV. I mean, they'll tell me, I'm like, damn, I don't know that that came up, but it shows you the came out. The Sixers are reportedly not looking to trade Paul George. The Sixers lucked into the number three pick next month's draft and everyone will be watching to see what they do. There have already been reports suggesting that Philly is open to shopping the third overall pick and Drake Fisher is reporting that it's more likely the Sixers trade down, not out of the draft entirely.

Another far more important tidbit, the Philadelphia may not actually be looking to trade PG. Recent reports suggest that the Sixers will be looking to explore George's trade in the market conjunction with the draft or Misread there have been no indication that they're looking to package George in the number three pick to move him on his own I'm trying to figure out so if they trade who and what they're gonna trade in for Joe cuz they country he got his huge Yes, you're going to get about six players back for him. Because, and he signed up, what, he got a player option too. Yeah.

And he gonna pick that up. Yeah, you know he will. He be fool not to. So Joe, what y'all saying what? What, trade him or keep him? Well, here's my thing. What Joel gonna do? What is he gonna do? Everything is contingent on him, Ocho.

He gonna give us anything, Ocho. Because if he can't, if he can't get up off of him, we might well, I mean, just fess up and say, look, we probably did make a couple bad investments, but we need to try to get up off these. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So if Joel can't come back healthy to where you can compete because everything is really lies in his hands. Everything is contingent on him.

Yeah, so I don't know, man. I don't know. Damn. They got some young promising talent. I love Tyrese Maxxie. Yeah, and the one, the little guy from Duke who got hurt. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, McClain. Yeah, and the one the little guy from Duke who got hurt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah McClain Yeah, he came in balling, you know in the minutes that he got the opportunities that he got he took advantage of him

He showed me something that I didn't think he could do like he put up some he put up some big numbers in that little Yeah, when he was playing he played some good balls, so they got some good pieces. Like I said many injuries play a huge part of people's legacy. Obviously, teams, you know, season. So if Joel and B can't get back to the dominance that we were accustomed to watching him play at, it ain't competing for nothing, man.