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Episode Date: October 28, 2025

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As you watch the Kansas City Chiefs open the second half with three straight drives and score and pull away from the Washington commanders by the score of 28 to 7, Patrick Mahones tosses three touchdown passes in the second half as they win this game comfortably 28 to 7. y'all know who I am, I'm your favorite unc. And this is my partner and co-host. He's Liberty City's own Bengals, Ring of Fame, honorary, a former Pro Bowler, and all-pro. He's Chad Ochosinko Johnson.

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will be joining us a bit later. But the Chiefs use a dominant second half to pull away from the commanders by the score of 28 to 7. Patrick Mahomes tosses three touchdown passes in the second half, as you can see the numbers right there. And they win comfortably, 28 to 7.

You know, watching this game, I just thought the commander squanded two million opportunities in the first half. They had an opportunity and the ball hits Deboe in the face and Mike Dana intercepts it and they come up short on a fourth down where he tosses out of bounds. But I thought they had some really good opportunities in the first half to really apply some pressure.

It was doing a great job of getting the ball out quick. I thought Marcus Mariotta did a great job, you know, and Cliff Kingsbury did a great job. of putting them in situations where they could get the ball like quick, a lot of misdirection, use Marriota's legs a little bit. But when you're on the road and you don't take advantage of opportunities when they're presented for you, when a team gets their rhythm, especially at their home, they're probably going to pull away for you from you.

And, you know, you saw very uncharacteristic, some turnovers. If you notice, that route was a terrible route by Hollywood Brown. Oh, Joe, how are you in the slot? You already got leverage on it. How do you take two steps and stop? start looking back for the ball. You know, even Mahal went to the sideline.

And you notice, he disappeared after that, didn't he? Oh, yeah. Yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, it all come down to being sharp,

being sharp and precise, regards to what routes you run. And you always have to be, stay friendly to your quarterback and understand, you know, how to not only get open, but continue to create separation to be able to catch any and everything.

You know, for Hollywood, long as he's been playing the game of football, you know better than that. Yeah, you can't run the right like that. You got to put pressure on the deep, you got to make him think you're going deep. So he's going to want to get on top of you. If you start back oncho, if you take three steps and you're looking for the ball, you don't run no go-rout like that.

Who runs a go-rout like that? No, you're not, you're not fooling nobody. You're not going to fool nobody like that. Oh, and, you know, I'm sure that was a situation, and then he hits Trave in the head with the ball and it pops up in there and B-wags end up picking that off. But I thought once he got it going, guys made play for him. He did a great job of using his legs,

sometimes to run his way out of harm's way and sometimes to buy time. You see him hit Rashid Rice on a couple of plays like that. He found for a touchdown, the running back for a touchdown. You see him for a trav. He hit Trav a couple of times after using his legs to buy time. But I thought overall, once they got it going in the second half, they had drives of what, 90 plus yards, 80 yards, 70 yards, And it really broke the ball game open.

Because for the first half, Ocho, I thought the commander's defense did a great job on him. Listen, they did a phenomenal job on them. Listen, whether they played zone or whether they played man. They added pressure and they played a really good game. The one thing I don't like about the first half of the commanders. And the chiefs are one of the few teams that when they turn the ball over, commanders have to capitalize. You got to make them pay.

You got to make them pay. Because at whatever point, the chiefs cast that moment. them and find that rhythm, you want to stress that lead as far as possible to make the game a little easier, make it a little more difficult for them to almost into a point to a sense on, you got to make them damn their one-dimensional, where they don't have a turn to throw to get itself back in the game. Right. But the game was too close.

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or y'all are playing zone. Well, hell, I'm going to be surgical. Yeah. I'll find every hole. Because every time there's the defense to play called, there's always a hole and my home knew exactly where to go with the ball every goddamn time. Those plays where the defense actually called the right play, okay, you got me this time, but I'm going to beat

you with my legs. Then he'll go beat you with his goddamn legs. I think, and you're right about that, especially when you're on the road. When you're on the road, you try to keep the crowd out of the game as long as you possibly can. As long as they're not chairing, as long as they're sitting on the hands at the edge of their seat and they're nervous, you're winning. Yeah.

But when you get those opportunities, because the momentum is going to swing. If you look at the first half, the commanders had the momentum. Now, what happened is that in the second half, the Chiefs got the momentum. And when they got the momentum, it went 14, it went 14, 7, 21, 7, 28, 7, and the blink of a night, and the game's over. Hey, it was a rap. And they were, where they scored, what, three straight possessions? Something like that? And then they ran the ball, you know, ran the clock down.

Laying the box or they could have, like, I'm surprised they didn't, you know. But I just thought they did a great job. They were really, really balanced, Docho. You look at it, targets, Travis Kelsey had eight targets. Rashid Rice had nine targets. Xavier Wirt, they had seven targets. And you have six catches, nine catches, five catches. So you saw what they were doing.

He bought time and found juju on a couple of routes. He about time with his legs and found a career. in the end zone with his legs. He's done a great job as he's gotten older. He's doing more and more with his legs. He will run, but he's really looking to buy time and hope somebody comes open. And that's what makes him so dangerous.

You don't want to bless him because he will come out of the, he will jump out the window on you and take off running, but he will, but he's also looking. He's constantly trying to process information. Can I throw this ball over the head? Is there a gap somewhere I can fit this ball? in to get me 10, 15, 20 yards down the field and pick up a first down. But I thought they ran the ball well.

You look at Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco, what they did, running the football, 12 carries 58 yards, 9 carries 40 yards. Mahomes had four carries for 30 yards, 30 rush attempts, 148 yards. So basically almost five yards of carry, that's good enough to win. Very balanced. Mahomes had 299 yards passing, three touchdowns, two. interceptions he was sat three times i thought they did i thought martin did a great job of putting pressure on him they did a great job of forcing him out of the pockets but you get when you get

there you got to get him on the ground yeah i don't know what that last x i don't know what he was he saw mahomes gave himself up and then you still going to throw him down right there in front of the referee and you don't think he's going to call he's going to throw a flag that's frustration that's all frustration that's all frustration at that point and y'all obviously okay i can't hit him all game we haven't been able to get to him all game. He's been getting out the pocket, extending plays. You know what? I finally got a hold of him.

I'm going to give him a little extra. I'm going to give him that extra. Just to let him know I'm here. And it didn't matter at that point. No. And when you look at a little show, I think they didn't run the ball nearly as much as they needed to because now all of a sudden the pressure started to get into Mario, he had eight rushes, 28 yards.

Krosky Merritt had nine for 25. five yards. That's not enough. And it looks like a McLaur might have nick that groin to that hamstring again because he ended up coming out. I thought he made some great plays. Hell, I thought Debo was a catch right there at the pylon. And then I was looking at like, man, that's a catch by McLaurin in the end zone. That was a touchdown. Now, I don't necessarily know if I was an official, Ocho, I would have overruled because I couldn't see that right leg, the inside leg, did it hit down out of bounds. He did get the elbow down. And you look at the left leg the left leg didn't come down you but where was that right leg there was never a clear view

of where i can see what is right what his right leg was doing so i probably wouldn't overrooted but even in real time i thought that was those were catches with debo and uh mccloren but you know hey that was a situation i'm sure they said oh that's the cheese getting home cooking the cheese getting home cooking hey um wait listen i'm not i'm not saying the rest of cheating but they was cooking I think the thing is if you go back and look up it a lot of them were out of position

like that catch on the sideline there were really no officials right there in the vicinity so you've got to be in better position now they were looking at McLaurin when he was in the end zone and they're trying to see but you want to get there

as close as you possibly can because you got a really hard job is his feet and does he hold on to the ball if I look at where he catches the ball I can't pay attention to his feet So they really have a hard job and that's really the job of two people.

Yeah. That's why you always see him check. What did you get? Was he out of bounds back there? Nah, he didn't step out. Okay, but he touched the pile on is good. So that is a two-man job, but the guys got to be in position,

the guys, the women and the men, they need to be in better position to make sure they're on top of those calls so they can get it right. But it's a tough situation and it's only going to get worse. Since the implement of gambling and what we're starting to find out now,

people are going, now it's really going to ratchet up. It's really going to ramp up and say, see, I told you, I knew it all along. Bad, you can't fool me. How a team play like this one week? And then the next week, they act like they ain't never seen foot or a ball. Yeah, and it's a funny thing about it. Now, people can say what they want to say. You can say the ref, cheater, you can say that they didn't.

But you understand when you ever have a quarterback, when you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, it gives you a favorable chance to win any matches. Yes. A favorable chance to win any game. Obviously, there was some turnovers early. in this game, the commandant to do what they needed to do to capitalize on those turnovers, and you saw what happened. And it's funny how the conversation about the Kansas City

had the conversation about the Kansas City Chiefs had changed as a weeks of going on. First, they washed. They're not the same as they used to be. The receivers are playing bad. In the first two weeks, they started 0 and 2, which they haven't done before to now looking like the Kansas City Chiefs of old. And it was only a matter of time. It was only a matter of time the players getting back healthy. Rishie Rice coming off the suspension, Hollywood, Brown being in, Travis Kelsey,

actually getting back the form and then get with them with, hey, now they're hitting on all cylinders. And we still haven't even seen probably the best Kansas City Chiefs team we can see just yet. I'm just trying to figure out what happened to Taekwan Thornton.

How does the guy be that involved? And I understand Rashid Rice coming back. I get that, Ocho. But when a guy puts up, that kind of numbers, you've got to find a way to get him on the field. They got so many options. Man, look, it's hard for you to convince me

that Hollywood Brown is better than Tyquant Thornton. Based on what we've seen this year. Yeah. I'm not saying what he was when he was in Baltimore or what the year that he had in Arizona. I'm talking about right now, based on what you saw, Hollywood, Hollywood Brown was in there and Tyquan Thornt was in there.

When Rishie Rice wasn't, Tycoon Thornton was their best receiver. He was making some plays. He was making some catches, you know, especially deep balls. Yes. What was needed and it mattered most.

And I knew they were going to play like this. I understood that. That's why when we had them on the show and I said, listen, once that door opens for you, make sure you put your foot in there, cross it and close the door behind you. Because this is the type of game that they play when it comes to business.

When it comes to those that have already been paid, those who are making top dollar, they're going to see the field first. I get that with Rishie Rice. I get that with Rashi because he is their best receiver, Ocho. We saw the maturation when he came in as a rookie and he got better and better and better and better.

And as the year, he was clear-cut. He was the number one receiver. Yes, sir. Obviously, he had some issues. I think he got Nick and he got that situation, got himself off field, got that behind him, got that issue resolved. But I just, I'm looking like,

damn, you mean to tell me this man can't get on the field and get 10 plays? he can't get one target, he can't get two targets in that old show, after doing what he's done in the absence of Rashid Rice, look, we're not trying to start no conflict, but I think everybody in Kansas City and I think people that watch the game, follow the game,

study the game. You're like, hold on. How does a man go from playing that well to not even getting in the game, barely getting in the game, not getting any targets? In a sense, I'm not even upset. In a sense, I'm not even upset because I understand the doors with the way he played

when everyone else was out, when Hollywood Brow wasn't there, when, when, um... Hollywood was there. No, no, no, no, when he wasn't there, Hollywood, Hollywood wasn't there yet? He was hurt. What was he at? Not this year. Wasn't he hurt early on when Tyquan kept making all those plays, making it on kids. Hollywood was in there.

It was Hollywood, Xavier Rice, Xavier Worthy and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, somebody, somebody was missing. Somebody was missing from the equation, but. Rashid Rice Rice was missing. Okay, either way, either way Taekwon Thornton was arguably easily based on what we were seeing. Yes, that's all what I'm seeing. But this is the only thing, this is the thing I like, is you've already put it on film now. You already put it on film, what you can't do, when you're actually put in a position to make those plays. So that door and the opportunity to play somewhere else where they would probably use him in his skill set that he does have with that kind of speed, it's going to pay off.

It just might, it's not going to pay off where he is now because obviously they don't appreciate what he was able to do because you have too many other options. You got too many other options. And maybe there's a situation, Ocho, maybe he's Nick. Maybe there's something going on that you and I don't know about. Ain't know anything wrong with him. Ain't that ain't nothing wrong with him.

Ocho is trial. Ocho's scenarios out there, bro. Damn. You know the game and folks play. You know the game they play. Hold on. Hey, you know, I'm sitting there. I got a, I got to grab the chip.

Yeah, I'm sitting here on my suitcase. Hey, look what I'm sitting up. You heard me look. Yeah. Lord, have mercy. It hurt my butt. Yeah, see. Yeah, Xavier, think about Ocho.

Xavier Worthy was injured, and now Hollywood was there. Okay, that's what I meant. That's what I knew it was one of them. I knew it was one of them. I just, I knew it was one of them. So it was, yeah, it was Xavier. That's right. But Taekwam, but he was.

And maybe some situation. situation, Ocho, where T plays the same position is worthy. Hollywood plays a different position. Right. Because, you know, you got two speed guys. So maybe that's the situation. But I was, I was trying to figure out, like, well, damn, how he go from being so productive to damn near, he damn near inactive.

Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Now, I've seen it so many times. I've seen this so many times which is why I don't want to say the wrong thing because they are winning but when you have a team like that where they can plug and play

different players in different positions and because you have Patrick Mahomes it's going to always work regards to who you put out there I mean it's hard to argue the fact on it's real hard to argue the fact and then Juju is so versatile Juju blocked Juju make the tough catches over the middle

he understands he doesn't miss hot reads and that situation where they run the fake, I'm trying to figure out, I'm like, Noah, why would you run a seven route? Bro, you should try to score a touchdown. Don't run that at the angle, get that up the field. I'm like, guys, guys, do y'all, I don't, I don't get it.

I ain't try, I'm trying, if I got the defense fool and the linebacker is trailing me from the inside, I'm not trying to get a 20-yard completion. I'm trying to get a 40-yard touchdown. And you see, how my home threw the ball. My homes threw him up the field because B. Wags was trailing on the inside. He was like, he wanted to catch it and get tackled out of bounds. No, bro, take that up the field. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe it was set up like that. Maybe it was, hey, to be a 20-yard

completion and not a 40-yard touchdown. But that's like, you know, the way we ran around, like, look, if somebody's over the top, you're flatted it off. If somebody's in the trail, you keep it high. Right. Yeah. Backing's quarterback, Carson Wentz, is set that undergo season ending shoulder surgery on his non-throwing shoulder, Ocho, and will be placed on injured reserve. J.J. McCarthy began the season as the starter, but who has missed the last six game with a high ankle sprain. He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit. The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer. Jay J.J. is not, uh-huh.

Oh, yeah, exactly. He was undrafted, so you know even less about him. J.J. McCarthy has not only played two of 24 regular season games since he was drafted with the number 10 pick in the 2024 draft. Oh, Joe, how bad are the Vikings missing Sam Darnel? Listen, they're missing Sam Donald very, very much so, very much so. Listen, the way Sam Donald played last year, I still, for the life of me, can't understand why you let him walk out that door.

I just don't understand for the life of me and not knowing what you were getting with J.J. McCarthy. I understand he was a high-round pick. I know what he did in Michigan. I get that. But listen, there is no problem with him sitting behind and learning from Sam Donald with the way he played last year. You don't let a quarterback, as hard as it is,

to come by quarterbacks that you can find that can maximize everything you want to do offensively. He did everything well. He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets. He didn't look like the Sam Donald in God damn Carolina. But for some reason, everything in Minnesota, it looked good. He looked very good, similar to how Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn

Indianapolis Colts, like a completely different person. Oh, yeah. A completely different person. And the same person is still carrying on right now in Seattle. He's still doing it. Yes. And now you're struggling, now you're having quarterback goals, and he didn't know what to do. And I think they're not playing J.J. McCarthy on purpose.

Ain't, it can't be nothing wrong with him, huh? I mean, he was out of long time. I mean, he was out a long time with a high ankle sprain. Normally guys were getting back in three high-end four weeks. This would be six weeks that he's missed. I'm just saying, you're right. You know, Goodwill ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle.

You know that. Boy, Jay-Dade, hey, Justin Jefferson, boy, he's going to cut up this week. You hear me? But let things don't go right. Let things don't go the way they should be. You know, they love calling players divas and all this that are passionate and want to win.

understanding that in order for me to have success, in order for us to have team success, we've got to have the most important position, have a good person, a good player with the ball. And we don't have that? Hey, them great players that we all love, they start to act up now. You're laughing. What's up, everybody? Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that?

Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. They love the, I'm not sure with that with that term diva cam. from i'm not sure you know but you know when certain when certain came from y'all misbehaving yeah hey we don't

misbehave we're just passionate about the position that we do play we like what y'all call it yeah we like to show a little enthusiasm you know a little energy you know okay when we do it it's called divas when they do it it's called um what's what's what's what's huh it's called yeah yeah yeah yeah you know the word the definition changed depending on the let me i'm not going to go there It's been reported that went toward his labrum and dislocated his shoulder in week five and they still played. Let that sink in.

So he's got a torn labrum and his non-throaring shoulder and it's dislocated. So you're asking him to play through that. You got a guy that you took with the number 10 pick last year that you was so set that he was going to be your guy that you let a guy walk out the door that had thrown like 30 plus high 30 touchdown for you.

I think fewer than 15. perception, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So you let that guy walk out the door, but now you got a guy that's a jurnerman. He's turned into a gentleman. Yes, he was the number two pick in the draft. And yeah, he had a nice two, three-year run and it all fell apart. And he's bounced around every sense. But so now he's a journeyman quarterback.

You're willing to keep a journeyman, you're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn laborman, what's being reported? I don't know. I'm just reading what's being reported. You're asking a guy that's a journeyman quarterback that, has a torn labor and a dislocated non-throwing shoulder to go out there and gut it up instead of putting a guy out there that was a high draft pick that you believe

so much in, a guy that you saw go through the totality of a season and play exceptionally well, you let him walk out the door. Hey, I know what Sam Donner looks like before he left. Might have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths,

but the position he put you in in the regular season to even be in contention to be in the playoffs it was phenomenal it was a great run it was a kind of run where you bring someone like that back who gives you a chance he puts you in position he allows you to maximize what you want to do offensively with his decision making and chemistry that he built with hogginson addison and justice jeffson you know you let that walk out the door because now you have a situation like you do now where we're saying goddamn JJ McCarthy has been injured on the sideline with a high angle spraying for six weeks.

I know that's a lot. I know the devil is a lot. Somebody lying, I don't know who it is because now you're not sure. Now you really don't want to put him out there based on what you saw already when he was, when he had the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like it should.

It doesn't look like you guys made the right choice. So now you're relying on Carson Went to say of the day. Yeah, look, and he, look, Ocho, he's on in his second year, so he could get better. But I have my questions about him because they ran the ball way more at Michigan than they threw it.

So I was always like, okay, what happens when they're going to require you to throw the ball? The days of you just being able to run the football, you've got to throw it in this league. I don't care who you are. They're going to come a time that you're going to have to make, and more times than not, you're going to need to throw the football.

And so I was always a little leery on that part. Now, I will say this. Look, I thought they could have kept Sam Darno, but I knew they wouldn't keep Sam Donald for the simple fact of the money and they tied up into J.J. McCarthy. He was the number 10 pick in the draft, Ojo.

And, but it wasn't a lot of money. Now, if Minnesota had back to Brink's truck up and said, okay, we got 40, we got 40, 45, 50 million, I get Minnesota, but this is a very digestible contract. This was almost like a Baker Mayfield contract. Yes.

30 million is is the lower level of a starting quarterback. And so I was a little surprised that they didn't, that they didn't go to 30, that they didn't look, at least for another year or two. Hell, if, and I get it, this is not a very fair assessment, but Jordan Love rode the bench. Now, he's backing up somebody much more substantial and proven, but he sought his ass on the bench. Aaron Rogers sought the bench. So there's no harm in that. And look, if Sam Darner doesn't make it this year, but Sam Donald is not old.

Sam Dahl is 26. So if he continued to play well, hell, I'll move on from J.J. McCarthy. I'll ship his ass out. Yeah. Because J.J. McCarthy is what? How much younger is J.J. McCarthy than Sam Donald, Ash, because I think Sam Donald is 26 years of age.

So it's not like he's 30, 32, and plus you're dealing with a quarterback. So they, you know, they like dog years. That 26 is really like 14. Oh, yeah. So it's not like other positions. How old is JJ McCarthy and how old is Sam Darnel? Okay, Sam Dahl is 28, J.J. McCarthy is 22.

Only 22? Yeah. Oh, man, listen, I'm not, I'm not a GM. I'm not an owner, but I understand, I know who gives out. best chance to win and I'm not gambling regardless of him being the number 10 pick there's no problem with him saying he has a he has a team friendly contract even being the number six I'm bringing Donald back and giving him that lower tier no disrespect I'm speaking in football terms of quarterback yeah in quarterback money to see what he can do for us the next two or three years at least the next two

before I have to because I really don't have to make a decision on Sam on JJ McCarthy the Ocho until year four going into year five. I got to make a decision. So I don't have to do a deal with him. I mean, obviously, guys that are playing get deals done after their third year if they're that guy. So I get that. But theoretically, I can go into year four.

Says, okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Donald. I think we've maxed him out. Okay, JJ, I'm going to give you a year to prove it. And then, hey, but I'm not in the. But I think the thing is Locho, going into that year, that year four, now I got to pick up his fifth year option. Yeah. And one thing about it, too, you know what I don't like?

You know, I think it's the perfect situation for him. You played in Michigan, so you used to be in that type of environment. Obviously, you come from a school where you ran the ball, you know, a high percentage of the time. But you're a quarterback. You're in the NFL now. And if you can't throw the ball to Jordan Addison, Hoggerson, and Justin Jefferson, you don't be long.

You just don't. Oh, yeah. You just don't belong because that's one of the better receiving cores in the NFL. And even if you can't bring yourself to their level of play, they're so good, they can hide whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback. And the fact that he can't play going into week six, and we talk about it's still an ankle sprain, something ain't right. And it damn sure I don't high angle sprain.

That's not it. I mean, we know that. And I'm not sure what they're trying to hide. but whatever weaknesses that he may have as a quarterback, they have to find a way to hide it because you have the players around him that can hide it. You have the players around them can hide it. Well, I think the thing is, Ocho,

you can only hide it for so long. It's like an Easter egg. They might not find it, but somebody's going to find them eggs. So whatever your weakness is as a quarterback, Ocho, we're going to find it sooner or later. Because as long as you continue to play, we're going to find out where you weak at. That's just how it's just how it is.

That's just how it is. And so I agree with you. I just knew, based on the NFL, the number 10 pick, they really like this guy that. And also, I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that he wanted to be guaranteed a starting job. Seattle guaranteed him a starting job. Okay. You talk about Seattle.

Damn Donald. Oh, okay, okay, okay. And so under those circumstances, but it's hard for me to believe, Ocho, somebody going to pay you $30 million and you don't start. Yeah. There aren't very many places that he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where they weren't going to guarantee him the starting job. It wasn't anybody that you're going to have to look over your shoulder

and understand, okay, their pressure is on me. If I don't play well, they're probably going to put this guy in. you're in a great you're in a great spot i think minnesota been a great spot for him to come back i'm not sure what management was thinking there's a reason why i'm not a gym there's a reason why i'm not an owner because that's you know the choice of decision i would have made and now he's in seattle and he's flourishing he is flourishing he is he is i'm having a effing ball

yeah they they and i think ocho when they moved on for they moved on from gino um now you look at a situation they moved on from D.K., they moved on from Lockett. It seems like Lockett went to Tennessee. Now he's going to be reunited with Pete Carroll and Gino in Las Vegas. Maybe a lot of people like, man, what do they have? They got Jackson Smith and Jigba.

They got J.S.N., and he is phenomenal. Yeah, and listen, what we can do as well, because he's not too far removed from winning a Triple Crown, I love Cuba Cup. He might not be the Cooper Cup or old. Cuba Cup at this game. He can still make plays. He can still, he's still one of the better route runners,

one of the better creatives of what I like to say, artistry when it comes to running routes. Yeah. He's still one of those, despite what people may think. He's just not, he's not going to be used like that. That's not Sean McVeigh system. Sean McVeigh, if you look at the way Sean McVeigh used Cooper Cup, you look at the way Sean McVeigh use Pooka Nacua.

Yeah. That's not what he is. They're not going to use. use him like that because first he's not the number one. That's JSN. Yes. So now the JSN, he's going to get the favorable. He's going to get the favorable play calls.

He's going to be the first target. And so, but if you go back and look at it, Ocho, I think Cooper Cup only had one 1,000 yard receiving season. That was the Triple Crown season season. That's funny how that works, right? That's funny. And I saw that before with understanding with damn, you won the Triple Crown.

And I remember going back and looking at some of his numbers. me and T.J. Houshmazada were talking about at one point, and he told me, well, go look at all the stats from before that. And it's unbelievable with the right system, with the right coach, and putting you in the right position and right position to make certain plays. They can manipulate the offense to where you can succeed no matter what. No matter what, they can do it. And obviously, when it was time to work and wiggle him out that system,

here comes Pugin the Kua. Yeah. You draft players. You need smart players. those guys on the bigger side. They're not your typical slot. You look at Puka, you look at Cooper Cup. They're not these, they're not Julian Edelman.

They're not the West Welkers. They're not your typical slot receivers. They're on the bigger size, which means they're going to have to be able to take more punishment because when you catch that many balls, Ocho, you got to get a damn assload of targets. Because Cooper Cup caught 140-something balls. That means he's 190, 200 targets.

1,900 and what? 130 yard receiving yards he was well over 2,000 he was probably he was damn near 200 catches on the season when you tally up what he did in the postseason

and you look at the yardage he was well he was like I think he was like 23 2400 receiving yards and you look at what he did in the playoff games so he probably had another 30 plus catches

so you figure to tackle another 30 35 catches with another 45, 50 targets, now you see, hell, he might have had 230, 250 targets. And call it 190 of them. When I think about it like that, as dynamic of a playmaker as he was, I would always sit back

and hypothetically think, damn, I wonder what my numbers would look like in that situation, being that, you know, but we're, we're, we're, we're, there's a lot of punishment, oh, Joe. Huh? That's a lot of punishment. Hey, I could take punishment.

You know, I ain't got no problem going across that middle and doing some of the things that really made me uncomfortable. I can say, didn't tell you now. I mean, I wasn't comfortable, you know, sitting there running screens. I don't like that. I like to be having a somewhat of a... Now, you're not going to catch that many balls getting pushed down to field, little, Joe.

They can't throw that big the ball pushing you out of the field. Not no, not no hundred and, you know, he caught 140-something balls. So think about how many, how many screens, bubble screens that he actually caught. I don't like how many how many little smoke routes yeah I don't like those on I'm I'm going to be honest with you it that it it gives me a certain level of uncertainty a certain level of uncomfortability with with me not being able to have my eyes on what's in front of me and me have the focus on the ball now having a run around and understand and being able to read defenses and knowing where everybody's going to be and with their job and knowing when I get out of breaks I can protect myself I know what's coming I know where you're coming from I know where the pursuit is coming from I know where the pursuit is coming from from. But having to turn real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm a damn pump return, that makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't like that. The Browns bench Joe Flacco after one in three stint as a starter. Rookie Dylan Gabriel is one in three. Many in Cleveland are wondering if Shador Sanders now deserve his own shot. Well, today, Kevin Stafansky, was asked by

Mary Kay Cabot, whether he's considering the possibility of playing Shadour. His response, the focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay. That's not my focus. Guys, can we stop asking these questions? Y'all know this man don't want to place your door. You know that. We know that. I see people, you know, in the chat, not in the chat, but just in general,

when we talk about the Cleveland Brown, they talk about, oh, it's, it's, what the word, when they don't like someone and they, they, they're doing them wrong. I forgot the word to use. But listen, we already know what the play was. We already know what the play was. They didn't want him. It was Drew Barry, no, Andrew Barry. Andrew.

It was Andrew Barry's pick. It wasn't, it wasn't the owner. It wasn't Safansky. So this is exactly what they want. This is exactly what they want. It seemed as if someone forced their hand to take this pick and they don't want to give him an opportunity to play the game. From the small sample size that we've seen from Dylan Gabriel, he has now had he played four games.

They're one and three. He won't push the ball down the field. It's hard. You can't run the ball, and all you do is that you shore, you fish from, you shore fish. Because the big fish, the big fish don't swim close along the shore. They're out of the deep. And so to get points, you got to push the ball down the field at some point. Yeah, well, maybe he's not that comfortable doing just that yet, because we saw him push the ball down the field in the goddamn preseason.

We saw him push the ball down the field. I saw him throw short balls. I saw him throw eating meated. I saw him throw dig routes. I didn't really see him throwing anything deep, but I think there's a third level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively they're not calling plays for him to push the ball down the field

because obviously maybe that's not what he's good at. That's the only day I think of. But if he was good at doing it, you will call the plays that call for him to do just that, what we're asking of in order for you to win games. He's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games. And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understand that my job is on the line because this is the guy I stood up on the table for

and who I wanted to make, you know, the start of our team. At some point, you're going to lose the locker room too, huh? Yeah. And you're going to lose the locker room. We just take the right person to say something. Denzel Ward, a Miles Garrett, you know, you know, your captains, you'd be like,

listen, we need to do something. I mean, to see Miles Garrett frustrated like that, the way he was, understanding that offensively, we're not getting it done, knowing the check needs to be. I mean, but I think that's a hill that Kevin Siffick is willing to die on because this is my guy.

And he knows, I mean, his job ain't in jeopardy. He's now in the hot seat. He's not in the hot seat. So. You don't think so? No, hell no. Absolutely not. Joe Flacko training camp completion percentage was 58.7 in his first, in his fourth start,

he was at 69%. Then he went to 56%, 58, and his last game was the start. He was 47%. I hear somebody in the chat funny as hell he had Dylan Gabriel did throw it down the field but it got intercepted

I look man look I'm just tired of like man put Shador in man they don't seem as interested in putting your door in as we're interested in seeing him and who knows what would happen

if he got in there but I think we want to see what it would happen yeah yeah my thing is he's like well he didn't play he wasn't even the number two. Bailey Zaffrey was the number two on Sunday so he had to deal him with a back injury. Well, how do you just standing on the sideline

so I could get why it's back with tight? Hold on. How he had a back surgery, but he was out there throwing balls in pregame. I'm just saying that's out there warming up thumbball. Look, you know ain't nothing wrong. Ain't nothing wrong with him. The same way it ain't nothing wrong with J.J. McCarthy.

There's nothing wrong with him. This is just the game that they do play. If you understand the game and understand what they will do, And with their report, knowing that there's nothing wrong with you, to cover there, you know what, get us on the outside to shut up. But listen, I played the game. I understand some of the things that you will do when you don't really want a person

to actually be in the game and to contribute. You don't want to look wrong. You don't want to be wrong in the decisions that you've made. Of course, you're not going to play him because, you know, he probably will go in there and succeed. Shador Sanders works and operates very well. chaotic environment and that's environment that has been created for him because of who he is and obviously also because they didn't want him but he will operate very well in the type

environment and they don't want that to happen so what do we do we say he's hurt his back is messed up you tell you tell the reporter chemistry says hey don't ask me the focus the focus is what it is right now is dillon gabriel and doing everything we can and make sure he improves week to week but the clock the ticking because the next thing that's going to happen it ain't going to be the reporter saying something and asking questions it's going to be the own players in your locker room Dylan Gabriel his training count completion percentage was 55%

and his four starts he was at 58% 56% 72% 60%. So it looks like he's right about where he was in training camp And because they're, they don't have the best playmakers. They don't have, they don't have the Detroit skill position players. They don't have Green Bay skill position players. They don't have, uh, cincis.

They don't have a CD and pick. That's not what they have. So when you don't have that level of talent on the outside and you have a marginal quarterback, what do you think you're going to get? Listen, you know what? Then the onus, the onus at that point is on the officer coordinator. Who's calling the plays? Mr. Brayette's good.

Okay. Well, listen, I understand I have a quarterback right here in Dillon and Gabriel. There are certain weaknesses that he does have. I have in Jukun, Tillman, Jerry Judy. I know what they can do. I know what they can do. I know what their strengths are. How can I put them in the positions creatively,

creativity in a creative way. Creatively. Yeah, creatively. What's wrong with me? I'm talking too damn fast. Creatively to hide some of the things and the flaws that Dylan Gabriel is not good at. So now you can't make him grow four inches. So you can't do anything about that. You can't make him have a stronger arm. You can't do anything about that.

No. Your offensive line is not the best. there's not anything you can do about that because you have what you have. So I don't really know where you, I don't know how much better it can get for the Browns based on what you have currently. Yeah, I listen, I don't know. I'm all, I'm all a lot of suggestions. I mean, everyone else has suggested, you know, do this, do that.

What everybody wanted, they got, you got what you wanted. You got your quarterback. You got Joe Flaccoe going now having success, you know, in the air throwing to two of the greatest duo in the NFL now Dylan Gabriel is your quarterback but you're still in the same you're still in the same place

you're still in the same position you think you think your duo better than Dallas a duo come again ask me ask me that one more time wait wait wait wait wait wait before you ask me think about what you ask me me again then ask me real I will ask you do you believe

that your duo is better than Dallas is duo Well, not only do I believe, man, our duo is better than Dallas's duo, but it's, it's, it's, we're, we are, we are better, we are better as a whole. And this is no disrespect to CDN pick, but they write below us and it's close too, huh? You hear me? Yeah, right is close. Hey, I mean, let me stay with me, Matt. It's, it's close, but because of Jamar Chase, it edges us out. Okay. And T, T, T is very good. You know, George Picking can do what T. Higgins does. Yeah, I think you do a little better. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I think so bad. They're about equivalent.

Now, he can go up and get it, you know. Teak get running the routes, them 50-50 ball turn to 80-20 when it's them two. Yeah. And the thing I like about Pick is pick is angry. He gets his ball, hands on the ball. He's like, you got to tackle me. I ain't going down. I ain't running out of bounds.

You're going to have a tackle me. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. I love that. I love the focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas. I love that. I love that.

I told me. It was a simple conversation. Shadour has been liking IG post today that are calling for him to start for the Browns after the by week. Hey, we'll see. Whatever you got to do. Whatever, whatever you got to do. And obviously, going into the by week,

this is the Brown's by week, right? Yes. They definitely not. They definitely not. name the star during the buy week but we're going to see what happens we're going to give dylan gabriel another week another week to get to get better to improve himself based on what he's done so far with the four stars he's had i wonder who they got coming out to buy on uh that's as you have coming out of the buy oh man and my thing is oh cho is that no you don't have to do anything

It's just like, who? They got the Jets coming out of the buy. Shoot. Ain't tell it. I think that's as good as any time to let your door start. Well, in the Jets? Yeah. Yeah.

I think Dillon Gabriel will be to start against the Jets. Ain't telling you. Jets might come out there and Molleywap Day. You know what? Oh, they already beat y'all, so they got confidence. Nah. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Let's not bring up the past. Let's not bring up the past. Let's look forward. Because in the Bible, it said, do not look that behind you, therefore, so you can see where you go with. I don't know your eyes closed the way to beat y'all up.

You know, look, there's only so much because I think the thing is, I think for the most part he's done, he's saying all the right things. I'm going to support Dylan, you know, hey, he, you know, we're in that room. I think everybody, when Joe is in the room, I think you do her saying all the right things.

I think he's been coached up. I think he's been groomed to play that position to say all the right things because you are corporate when you're in that position. Yeah. But I think deep down, he believes he's better than Dylan Gabriel. You know he believed that. Every player that has competition at a Pacific position believes they're better

than the person that's in front of. Yeah. You know. And unfortunately, y'all won't, he said, unfortunately, y'all won't give me an opportunity to show you that I'm better. I mean, look, there's only one way, there's only one way to prove it. Give him, go, let him go out there and give him four stars. And let's see, I think the thing is, Ocho, I think they're going to let this thing with

Dylan Gabriel go a little longer for the simple fact you don't want to play. You've already moved on from Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco got four starts. Are we really trying to get Dylan Gabriel four stars? Okay, give Shadour four stars. It don't work out with Shadour, go back to Dillin Gabriel. It don't work out with Dillin Gabriel, go back to Shado. I don't know if that's where you want to be at, Ocho.

I don't. I don't think that's where you want to be. Listen, Defansky's in a tough position, he's in a tough position. Damn if you do, damn if you don't? Yeah, basically that's exactly what it is.

But I think it's okay for them to have a quarterback carousel and being able to make those changes when necessary because you need to find out what you need to do for the foresee of your future. They're probably going to go back into, they're probably going to go back in the draft and get a quarterback. But, I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, because I'm looking around the college right now.

I don't see anybody, I don't see anybody that's blowing my socks. I'm like, oh, I got to get them. I got to have him. I'm glad you just say that because obviously everything at the quarterback level, there's been some great quarterback playing college football, but there's nothing that's going to come to the Cleveland Browns and be like, oh, shoot, we found the one. There's nobody.

Cleveland's more than a player away, that's the problem. They're more than a player away. But they're more than a player away, but if they get the right quarterback, which is always, problem for the past now 36 years then you're a little closer to where you want to get to but you can't even get past step one

no even if you had to you had the quarterback you had the quarterback you just needed to get some pieces around better and let him heal yeah but you know the damage was done you you you know I guess conversation you know he felt like they wanted him to be something that he wasn't

they wanted him to be more buttoned up more structured and he's a guy that he wants to dance he cool with the locker room. The guys like him. And so that wasn't their cup of tea. Well, if the guy's going to win, damn your cup of tea. I'm trying to win. Yeah.

It's all that matters at the end of the day. Especially for quarterbacks is based on wins. Winns and losses. Yes. So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think, you know, Cleveland goes quiet for a minute. There's no games. There's nothing to report.

I don't know how much they're going to. Oh, they get the whole week off of the by week. They're gone. What you mean gone? They're practicing. They ain't practicing? You got to get the week off. Wait, they change the rules or something?

Yeah. As look up and see, I think that's a rule. You get the whole week off. Oh, man, I ain't never see. Man, what? No, hell no. We got Thursday. Man, we got Friday.

Normally we got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. We had a half day. Thursday. If everything went good, you know, we got a half day Thursday. But I hope, now, we got a week in Baltimore. But Mike Shanahan went playing that. I don't know. I don't know. I was like, damn. I was like, man,

they, man, such a something. Yeah, we got the week getting a whole week of. I'm like, well, damn. We ain't got no week off. They get the whole week off, yeah. That's crazy. So they got to do any work they want to do all by yourself. But obviously, during the by week, you want to get away from football. Yeah.

You want to reset mentally. You want to reset mentally get yourself away from anything football related go home you know getting your game i mean just do whatever you detach from the game of football in your by week that's that's the point of it and when you do come back you be ready to hit it you're ready to hit it all i know is i hear a lot of my own injuries you're nothing to keep me here on the byweek because i got something i'm nick oh hell you good yep they sell lies in the convenience store Your ice don't have medicine. The only other, you got that rabbit turret ice.

I got to get that cube dice. It's all the same. Yeah. It all does the same at the end of the day. Aaron Glenn declines to name Justin Fields, quarterback won after the Jets by week, despite his first winner 2025. Glenn said, this is the by week and we're going to focus on us.

I have time to make that decision. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, and obviously you have time to make that decision. Also, Aaron Glenn understands that he was playing against the Bangal Defense. He also understands he was playing against the Bangon defense, which really hasn't been good, you know, all year long. Ever. Don't do that.

Don't do that. But, I mean, he understands that. The year y'all went to the Super Bowl, y'all was good. Oh, yeah. Hey, hold on. The year we went to Super Bowl, we was middle of the pack. That was good. We was middle of the pack

And that's all I'm asking for Ta-da So where are you now? Well, I don't know what number we're at What number you think we at? Lord a whale poop Hey, man, unc is bad I don't know if you guys are worse than Dallas

But you're close You think so? Y'all fighting it out I wonder at Ash, Ash, who has a Who defense is worse? Is it us or Dallas? I mean, both y'all in the ugly contest. Hey, we both in the ugly contest?

Yes. Hey, we might not be the ugliest, though. You know what? We're ugly, but we're not the ugliest. We're going to have two winners. See, I told you. Wait, we did let me 30 second in defense? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

God. damn i don't i don't i don't like that i don't i don't like that i don't like that at all like that i don't know what it i don't know what it's that that upsets me now you see why aaron glenn doesn't want to make a decision on who he wants to start because you went and you won a game against the 30 second best defense look look at me 30 second best defense in nfl and you win so that really that really gives me no gauge on how well you can do when you play against a competent defense. Because it's going to be a different ball game

if you're playing somebody else. Damn, man, 32. Yeah. Shit. Well, who knows? This is where y'all was last year. Why are you surprised? So tell me who the addition that you guys got

because you got last year, he has 17 to half sacks. He led the league in sacks. You were dead last. You don't have anybody even close to that this year. So where do you expect to be? You expected to move up? How? Well, I'm just, I'm just thinking about some of the moves we made.

In the draft, Demetrius Knight, phenomenal player. I mean, he's made a huge impact. Okay, y'all, you told me that, and then Bryce Hall, Breast Hall, just go out there and have a day for days. Yeah, he did. He did. But listen, I mean, 44 can't be everywhere now.

He's only, he's only one man. He can only do so much. We need everybody to come to the party. That's the problem. I don't think everybody had a ticket to the party. they did have to take it to the party i think that's the problem but ain't nobody brain nothing yeah so we had to escort them out we had to let them go

hey man look i think the thing is look i'm going to say if i'm erring glenn i'm going to sell ag i'm celebrating this i don't have to make a decision first of all ain't nobody in the building all the guys the guys are gone yeah the guys are gone so go somewhere warm uh um go to miami go to la go to do something fun I can honestly say that when I on the by week I didn't think about football that was the last thing on my mind that was the time for me

not even think about football not think about nothing you know go somewhere but see it was different for us Ocho we only got two and a half effing days we didn't have no week yeah I think I think the most I probably had it maybe three maybe four days

but them three or four days on we talk about detaching on to about reset mentally getting away from the game of football I'm in Miami. Obviously, you know I don't club. I don't do none of that. I go home, man, hit that swimming pool.

No, I didn't really get hurt. So, you know, I did think go bike riding. Back then, I used to enjoy my little huffy. Yeah. What the huffy is? Yeah, I know the huffy is. Yeah, do an early morning bike ride to make sure I keep my conditioning going. And, shoot, that's about it.

And play video games. Yeah. But I kind of wait for football. I didn't want to see a football. I ain't want to see a football. skin. I didn't want to hit anything. You know, you go home to your home boys. They always want to talk about the season. I say, man, bro, look,

I ain't trying to hit none of that. Don't ask me nothing about the season. I ain't worried about who we plan. I ain't trying to hit none of that. But what we're going to do? Let's hit South Beach. Let's go to the news cafe and sit outside and people watch. Let's go to dig, you know, then, shh, man.

And them days go by so damn fast. You're like, damn, did we even have a week? I say, I think they skipped some days. Very fast. I mean, it's Monday, the next thing you know it's Thursday. I'm like, man, what happened to Tuesday, Wednesday? And then if you, but then if you nicked, ugh.

It's even worse. I remember my last year in Baltimore, we got the whole week off. I ended up getting my knees drained before I left and then had to get them drain when I got back. Wait a minute. Speaking of the drain, speaking of the knees drain, why when I played in the flag football game and goddamn in London and I hit the turf right? Yeah. Why I got a burst of sack?

Yep. Now, on my left knee. My left knee, like I'm goddamn Professor Clum. And I refuse to get a drain, and I don't know where to get the sleeve from, you know, you put a sleeve over there. Yeah, just get one of those, one of those, you go into the CVS and get one of those pull up. Compression, yeah.

Boy, I got to get one on my left knee. I used to get him when I played, right. You know, he hit your elbow on the on, man, my elbow used to be so fat. I used to always wear a little wristband to cover it up. Oh, man, that's fun of them. Yeah, I used to fly because I had swelling bad in my joints, my knees, my ankle, and I always wear compression stocking. I wore them on both, on both, bring them up to your knee, above the knee.

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