Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Purdy wants $50M, McCarthy out in DAL, Vrabel headed to NE

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NFL season including, San Francisco 49ers QB thinks he's worth at least $50M, the Dallas Cowboys part ways with Mike McCarthy, Mike Vrabel is the next New England Patriots HC and more!03:43 - Christian McCaffrey suffered potentially season-ending injury05:44 - Josh Allen making NFL history with a touchdown09:48 - Dak Prescott defends Mike McCarthy12:18 - Brock Purdy wants $50 Million14:17 - The MVP race is not over23:14 - Atlanta has a new starting quarterback: Michael Penix Jr.28:00 - Fans panic over Tyreek Hill social media post31:38 - The quarterbacks weren’t the problem with the Panthers34:31 - Brock Bowers sets a rookie record36:53 - Unc is hype about his Broncos…and roasts Ocho about his Bengals44:36 - Mike McCarthy and Cowboys part ways51:14 - Deshaun Watson undergoes second surgery58:00 - Mike Vrabel to the Patriots(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So the team that the Kansas City Chiefs will face in the Sioux Bowl are the Philadelphia Eagles. As they crushed the Washington Commanders 55 to 23, setting a new record for the most points scored in an NFC Championship game. It's the fifth time the Eagles have made the Super Bowl and their second appearance in the last three years. Kyl Shanahan said Christian McCaffrey suffered a potentially season ending PCL injury. Wait, that was non-contact.

Or was it previously when he got tripped up? You think it happened recently? I, they showed that play, but you knew as soon as like that knee buckle, when he took off, you could see that knee buckle. And then he like gave himself up. So you knew something, I was like, damn, did the Achilles, did the calves go?

But Kyle Shanahan just said his press conference, Christian McCaffrey suffered a potentially season ending. It's over. Is it the same leg? Was it the same leg that he just had the planter? I think it is. I think it was his right one. What you call it?

Planter. I think it was his right one. No, he had a calf injury that led into his Achilles. And the thing, Ocho, and you know, the thing is, is that what we say all the time, if you limp into the season, oh, you live out of it. How do you get healthy during the season? It's impossible. Then the number one thing when anybody have surgery or anybody have an injury,

what do they tell you the most important thing? Oh Joe rest. How do you get risk? They working a dog crap out of you. Listen, I'm just saying, they can only, it can only take you so much because in order to get you back to the playing speed and get you acclimated to game tempo, you got some type of work.

You got to, because once they put you out there, you gotta put some type of work. You gotta put some type of work. Because once they put you right there, the bullets are firing. Hey, them boys moving. Them boys are moving. Damn, I'm sad. Josh Allen's next touchdown will make Buffalo Bills history. With his next touchdown rushing or passing,

Allen will become the Bills all time leader in touchdown, and passing the great Jim Kelly. Allen has been the best quarterback since, has been the best quarterback in December since 2020. In that span he's first in total touchdowns, passing touchdowns and wins. That's like, that's like. Look, I hate it. I hate it. Cause the Broncos could have had him. Yeah. The Broncos should have drafted him. And if I'm not mistaken, they drafted Bradley Chubb to pair with Vaughn Miller.

Two outside linebackers. You can keep Vaughn and get a quarterback. You gotta have that guy. You gotta have him. I don't care how many great your defense is. You better have a quarterback. You think maybe they didn't like what they saw. Coming out of Wyoming, right?

No, am I wrong? Yeah. So I think small sample size too, if I'm not mistaken, huh? Yeah. You know, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes scouts miss. Sometimes you overthink it, don't you? I mean, you took, you took Brossauce Waller,

you take Pax DeLin, you taking guys like that. Guys that are not, even if you just say, you know what, he's not the most accurate, his ability to run the football, that's what makes him, you talking about a man that's 250 pounds that can run like he can run. In fact, whatever discrepancies you might have with his game, especially from a throwing standpoint, throwing standpoint, oh, we could work on that.

You can work on that. Yes. Look at the foundation. Look at the foundation. You have the arm you have to work with and build with. You can you can take it from there. That's take it from there. Look how he's turned out in Buffalo. He has the arm because in order to play in the state in Buffalo, you got to have an arm because guess what?

The Jets, they play outside New England, you play outside. So you put him in Denver, get you outside. Kansas City is outside. You really need arm because a lot of the teams that you're gonna potentially face, Kansas City outside, Baltimore outside, the Steelers outside, Buffalo outside. So your quarterback is gonna have to be able to deal

with the elements because in those stadium, not only does it get cold, the wind blows. So you might have, Ocho, you might have snow, gust and boom, bone crunching, crunching cold. I'm talking about 10 below, 15 below, with gust up to 20, 30 miles an hour. I sure wish we'd have drafted him, but we're not gonna get him now because Buffalo ain't letting him go. We're not getting, but I like on Bo. Bo playing real well, very well

for a rookie. I'm not sure if it's Bo Nix or if I'm not sure it's the quarterback whisperer in Sean Payton but somebody doing something right over there. I don't care what it is. Just keep on winning. I'm going to get me some bo buddy. Ho Bo. Ho Bo. Ho Bo. You know they got to play the Bengals, right? Don't you worry about that. Don't you got freestyling tomorrow? Who y'all play tomorrow? Damn, who do we play?

We play the Steelers. we finna win that game. We play the Steelers. Oh yeah, that's L. We play the Steelers. Can y'all see that chat? L. We play the Steelers. You won't bet none.

L, L. You won't bet none. I asked. Y'all about to be. I'm I'm I'm Ocho. You owe me so much money now man. Damn. Whatever I owe you, I'm gonna pay you when we get to the tour in February and in Super Bowl. Dak defended Mike McCarthy said I wholeheartedly believe in him. Dak thinks McCarthy deserves another contract. He also said he would help

McCarthy if it if he had more influence on the thinks McCarthy deserves another contract. He also said he would help McCarthy if he had more influence on the team's development. But McCarthy said he's confused by Dak comments. According to Clarence Hill, the Cowboys coach McCartney said he had the most input he's ever had as head coach. Oh Lord have mercy. Coach compared to Green Bay,

he is not sure what that meant by needing him influence on his terms. We know Mike McCarthy does not have. He don't have no power, he don't have no pull. He's a head coach in title only. For those that understand the game of football, for those who know about when it comes to being the coach of the Dallas Cowboys organization,

with their star on the helmet, there's one person that runs the show and it's not the head coach. And it's always been that way. You have no pool. You know exactly what Dak meant by the words that he said. Yes. And I'm taking Dak, what he said with a grain of salt,

because guess what? He said he wanted Scott Linehan. He said he wanted Kelly Moore. He said he wanted Jason Garrett. He said he wanted this one and he wanted that one. So what's he supposed to say? Nah, I want Mike McCaul, I want another head coach. I want another play caller. Of course he's going to say all the right things.

Because if you go back and check his track record, Ocho, he said the exact same thing about every officer coordinator, about every head coach that he's had. I mean, you have to, you have to. He has to be PC. He's a quarterback. He's the face of the franchise, no matter what. So he has to say all the right things. It's not like he gonna come out and go against,

you know, his head coach. I mean, come on, Mike. No, it shouldn't, but I'm saying for him to say, Mike, let me ask you a question. Do you have any say on the final 53? Do you have any say in free agency? Do you have any say in the draft? So if that's the case, so I'm just trying to figure out what do you mean you have some say?

Wait, didn't he say he had more say, more control, more say than we than he had in Green Bay? Yeah, I disagree. Maybe, maybe Ocho, maybe at the end, maybe at the end, he didn't have the same amount of say. But it's hard for me to believe throughout his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas than he had in Green Bay. You know what that get, right?

Huh? Chop. That's what that get. You know damn well. Well see, now by saying that, you know you take some of the onus off Jerry so we can't blame Jerry fully. So Jerry can say, oh, see, he would have

done said that he has some say. Let's get his ass up out of here. Cause we lose it. Brock Purdy reportedly seeking a contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He don't need to talk about no contracts right now. Dollars a year. At all.

Look, go ahead. All I know is I ain't getting nowhere in there. No 50 million. I'll give you one him nowhere in there no 50 million. I'll give you one of them on 35 40 million. What you think you gonna say? What you think you gonna say to that? No. Okay, you play on a play on a guess what?

What we'll put you on a what you call it for two years. He gonna bet on the self like her cousin. Yes. Okay, let gonna bet on the shelf like her cousin. Yes. Okay, let him bet. If you always hear the story of everybody bet. Oh, what they don't, what they lose. What about them snake eye stories? There's a reason why those windows don't open in Vegas.

You notice that Ocho? You in the casino, none of the rooms open. Those windows don't open, do they? You ever ask yourself, man, the unit casino don't none of the rooms open those windows don't open duty You you ever Open I want to give some fresh air talk you talk You're gonna take the easy way out You know it They might have no choice but to pay purdy

Cuz listen, you don't want to pay him what he worth or what the market says he should be paid. Well, she going with at the quarterback position, you have no one to replace them. You don't have the choice. I'm not paying him no 50 million dollars. They had a choice not to pay Daniel Jones. Yes, you do got a choice. Okay, what did they pay? What did Tampa what did Tampa play Baker Mayfield? Ah, 40. Okay, okay. 33. That's what you're going with. I see.

Three years, 100 million. Oh, so you're saying he should have a Baker Mayfield type contract. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's feasible. That's feasible. I'm not sure. Yes.

He would even complain about that. He would. I'm not giving him no 50 million. That ain't happening. I don't know. That quarterback position is very, very, very, very important and sometimes if you want it bad enough, you will overpay for it.

No, MVP is not over. It is not over. And that's why I always advise people and I used to vote for a decade, I had a vote. I voted for the MVP, I voted for the all pro team. I voted for the wards, Ocho, you know, offensive player of the year, defense, and so forth and so on.

And I waited to the very end, and I took it serious. And I obviously, being in the studio, you get an opportunity to watch all the games. I ain't just watching highlights. I'm watching, because that's why I feel very comfortable. I took it serious. I'm not just going by, excuse me, guys. I'm not just going by names,

because I think the all pros team is serious because you talk about the best players regardless of conference. So I'm just like, your name, your name means nothing. Nothing. I'm based on play that year. I'm not trying to take away the All Pro teams that you got selected on before. That's not what I'm trying to do. But if I don't feel you deserving of that honor this year,

I'm not voting for you. It's really that simple. But Lamar, and I said this, I said, y'all gotta look at Lamar's stats. I mean, the man has 37 touchdowns, four picks, and then you throw in his rushing total, so he's 40 touchdowns with like six or seven turnovers. You look at his passing numbers,

that's what Aaron Rodgers was doing when he was winning MVP. Throwing 40 plus touchdowns with single digit interceptions. That's what he's doing. Now I do think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, they're like, but hold on, he got a guy that rushed for 1600 yards in his backfield. So what are we gonna do with that?

Right. And so I think that, you know, his numbers are his numbers. Now, right now, if I had a vote, I probably would vote for Lamar. Right. I would vote for Lamar. Has your vote, is your vote swayed because of the performance that Josh Allen had?

Josh Allen had. Yeah. Just like it was swayed, just like it was swayed when Lamar number lost and he didn't, just like it was swayed when he played against Pittsburgh. Remember? He didn't play well. Right. This week he came back and he played better. And you look at the last couple of weeks, Josh Allen had like 10 touchdowns in two games. How can it not? But we gotta be a fair, we gotta evaluate it on what we see. They got two games left. I do believe Lamar Jackson can win.

It'd be interesting to see, I bet those odds for Josh Allen winning the MVP ain't what they started today. I bet you that. What are the odds now? I bet you that. Josh Allen won the first game in the last four games. Ain't what they started today. I bet you that. What are the odds now? That's it. Well, he started at minus 900 today, right?

I think he started at minus 900. Hmm. You know what I don't like? I don't like the fact that when it comes to the MVP award is an individual accomplishment, but when it comes to what's necessary to win it, as far as the team's success as well, they take that into account as well. Because if we were talking about MVP from a statistical standpoint, in stats, I look at Joe Burrow and always ask myself, well, why is he not in the conversation? And then everyone says, well, the team itself is losing. So therefore, he's not in the, you know, he's not in the game. I mean, he go, I mean, there's a chance, I So therefore he's not, you know, he's not.

I mean, he go, I mean, there's a chance, I mean, he doesn't make the playoffs. You never gonna get the MVP on the guy that didn't make the team to make the playoffs. Right, right, right. Understand. But no, and that's the thing. I think Joe has had a phenomenal season.

Now had they have a, they had a record similar to Lamar's or they had a record similar to Lamar's or they had a record similar to Josh Allen. Now we got a whole different discussion. Yes, yes. But I mean the guy, MVP and the guy, what is they, he's seven and eight. Can be really. I know it's tough, but again, that's why I just said

how the goalposts move when it comes to discussion on a trophy that's based on individual accomplishment and accolades on what you've done individually. Right. You know, so using the team's success as a reason why you can't be in the conversation, it throws me off just a tad bit. Because at the end of the day, what do those stats mean if you're not winning? day what do those stats means if you're not winning? Because at the end, and this is what I used to argue with with my co-host, my partner on first, on Undisputed. I said, still a stat award. You're not gonna, you go 15 and 0,

and you got 3,000 yard passing, and another guy goes 10 and six, and he's got 5,000 yard passing and 40 touchdowns, and you got 3,000 yards and 20 touchdowns you're not winning that award. Go back and look look at all those years Drew Breeze was throwing for 5,000 yards how many MVPs did he win? You're right. Yeah it's a stat award but I need I need those stats to equate the wins. So if I'm piling up a bunch of stats, Ocho,

and I ain't getting no wins, people gonna like, ah, bro, yeah, well hell, you behind all you doing is you stat padding. Because none of those numbers goes towards wins. Like I said, y'all don't believe it, go back and look at Drew Brees and look how many, I think he got four, five, 5,000 yard passing season. But when you losing, how can I give you an award like that

because your stats doesn't equate to wins. Lamar's stats is equating to wins. Jared Goff, although he doesn't have, I mean, he had an outstanding day today, you look at Josh Allen, his numbers equates to wins. Right. Saquon, his numbers equates to wins. Right. Saquon, his numbers equates to wins. But I think the only thing that's really hurting Lamar

is that he got a 16, almost a 1700 yard rush in his backfield. Right. Who's averaging five and a half yards of carry. He's got 13, 14 Russian touchdowns. Well, when I think about it, you know, chat, y'all might not like this and uncle you might not like this. I mean, Joe Burrow hasn't been in the conversation

for MVP all season long because of our record. Yes, correct. But the last two games, these last two games, after we beat the Broncos on Saturday, I'm telling you right now, I'm letting you know right now, Patrick Surtain Jr, you got to deal with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. So at Bo Nix, ain't nothing.

You gonna get nixed. That's what's gonna happen. Well, I figure y'all can go. We gonna go into Pittsburgh the following week, we gonna win that game. And then when we make it and we have an opportunity to go into the playoffs, because the football guys happened to bless us.

That MVP conversation gonna have to change. There's a good chance, Ocho. It gonna hurt. Y'all beat the Broncos and then lose the final game of the season. It gonna hurt. That's gonna hurt, oh, that gonna hurt, Ocho, so bad. Cause I know you gonna be happy. Oh, what I tell you. Oh, it's just so bad. Cause I know you're gonna be happy.

What I tell you. Okay, I told you. And y'all lose that leg. Ooh, but that thing gonna hurt. That thing gonna hurt like star. They say brand new shoes. It is. It is.

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the number eight pick in the NFL draft. Pinnix will make his debut as the NFL starter Sunday against the Penick Jr. will take over the starting quarterbacking job from Kirk Cousins, the number eight pick in the NFL draft. Penick will make his debut as an NFL starter Sunday against the Giants in Atlanta. Raheem Moore said there was a football decision and we're fully focused on preparing the team for Sunday night game against the Giants. Penick Jr. revealed he found out when he's getting Falcons that he was getting the Falcons starting gig while shopping at Costco for a hot dog. Do you like the move? I love it. Even with them still having an opportunity I think they think they need to make a change. They

need to make a change. Get that offensive spark. Give that team a spark. I think it was smart by the coach to make the decision. I'm excited to see what Pinnock can do. Obviously being somewhat of a dual threat quarterback as as opposed to Kirk Cousins who was somewhat stationary, and he has to play better. He knows he has to play better. The last what? Four, last two or three games? You can't, you can't play that kind of football.

You just can't. You can't turn the ball over like that and put your team in harm's way and expect yourself to compete, let alone even have a chance at winning the game, playing the quarterback position. That got damn bad. Like that was bad. That was very bad.

I thought I thought that he would like keep the job, Ocho, for the simple fact that still a game behind. But they're like, look, the Giants coming in, it's either it's it's just as good a time as any make that change. But think about it. Kirk Cousins gonna make $62 million this year. He's got another $38 million coming in next year. That's guaranteed.

Either way. Well, yeah, they're gonna bring it back. They're gonna bring it back. But can you imagine sitting on the bench next year behind Penning Jr. Megan. Oh, no, no, you can't have you can't have no you can't have no guy making 38 million. Where the hell are you going to be at? They what you're going to think? They're going to try to trade it.

They can't they can't they can't cut it. You got to try you got to try to trade it and you might have to take some of that salary on, but you can't have it. OK, they have to pay most of the salary like the Broncos are doing with Russell Wilson and, huh? Mm-hmm, yeah. I mean, where else do you see him fit then? Where else do you see where a quarterback is in

their entire need of a quarterback, especially with quarterbacks coming out with the draft issues? The Giants, the Raiders, the Giants, the Raiders, there's two. Now they're probably gonna be in the market to select one, but what's to stop them from the Giants and the Raiders from doing, what the Bronx, what the LLM did? Bring in the AFC, draft the quarterback and then make.

Okay, okay. That means they would be bringing Kurt in on a one year deal, if anything. Well, if you trade for them, you got the remaining deal. I mean, it was a four year deal, like a hundred and something million, like $180 million for,, you got the remaining deal. I mean, it was a four year deal, like a hundred and something million, like 180 million dollars for it was 45 million a year. Now, the question is, oh, I mean, Cleveland needs a quarterback.

I'm trying to think who else needs a quarterback? AFC, South, AFC West, AFC East. Well, wait a minute. Whoa, wait, wait a minute. Well, you talk about Cleveland needs a quarterback. When Deshaun Watson comes back and he's in it from his injury, he will be the star the next year. But you know how much dead cap money that, you know, that is guaranteed, boy.

They'll eat it. If he ain't producing his dead cap money, let's be real. We have real conversations here. If he's only gonna give them the production that he's given them since he's be real. We have real conversations here. If he's only gonna give them the production that he's given them since he's been there. I got you, I got you. Listen, I'm with you, you're right.

I'm with you. Where's the value in that? Look, I'm gonna say I'm surprised, but it just goes to show you that they're this close and they'll gain back and if they beat Tampa, if they beat Tampa, let's just say they beat Tampa, they sweep Tampa, they got the same record, that means they win the division.

For them to be this close and they make this move, it lets you know just how bad Cousins will play. Yeah, I mean, shit hell. God damn Ray Charles can see how bad Kirk Cousins is playing. You can't turn the ball over like that and expect to win and compete. And the Titans need a quarterback too, Ocho. The Titans. Oh man.

Hey, I feel sorry for Will Levis. Why? I feel sorry for the Titans fans. I'm serious. When you look at young Bull, man, and you look at his makeup, you look at his DNA, his stature, and the eye test in general, know the arm strength, and what he's able to do,

being able to run the ball as well, he looks like a Josh Allen. He doesn't play like one. He has all. He had to play. Yeah, he look like Josh Allen. He play like Woody Allen. It's time for me to go coach Tyreek.

Well, without punctuation, Dolphins fans panic, wonder if he was telling Mike McDaniel if it's time to leave Miami. Well, Tyreek said today, what I meant was when it says time for me to go coach, meaning that he wants to see you guys Teddy Bridgewater. Meaning what, when we see you guys Teddy Bridgewater. Meaning what? When we see guys like Teddy Bridgewater, you see guys like Michael

Vick getting head coaching job is like, bro, I want to be a coach also when I'm done playing, you know what I'm saying? So that's what I mean by that. Oh, it's time for me to go coach. Oh, OK, OK, OK. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. Hey, that Rick, get it. I get it. Yeah. Rick, everybody ain't cut out to be cokey, bro. Hey, listen, I love Vic. I love Prime. Eddie George. I love them boys.

But to play a game all my life, all my life, and understand what it took to get to get to where I did. And then retire and then go right back into that. You have to have a love and passion for the game and coaching and patience and understanding that no matter the amount of hours you put in, sometimes it's just not enough and you don't get the results based on the work you put in. Right. I can't.

I couldn't. I couldn't do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I can see how people were thinking like, it's time, man, it's time for me to go coach. And so he was saying, it's time for me to go coach in the literal sense. I need to go coach. And so he was saying, it's time for me to go coach. In the literal sense, I need to go coach.

I need to be a coach. I see Vic, I see Prime, I see others doing it. I want to do that also. People, you know, look, Tyree has not had the season that he had hoped for. Tua being out had a great, had impact on that. He's probably not going to make, he's not going to make the probe. I don't think it's how close he is to a thousand yards.

I mean, it's going to be a long time. Uh, I mean, he's going to have to have go off. I mean, does he have six, 700, did he have 700 yards received? I think he only has like a one, maybe one or maybe one or 200 receiving yard games. Did you? Yeah, they don't fire. Well, you know, I touched down. So he's going to need he needs he needs one ninety five over the last three games. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

You get that in two and that's what four or five games on. Yeah, you get that. But the but the thing is, oh, Joe. I mean, when you look at pro bowlers, I mean, the only two I can think of in the AFC off the top of my head is Chase and Judy. Yeah. Wait, there's a third though, right? There's a third. Well, you take four.

But I'm trying to think, I mean, when we look at the AFC, we take, what's Nikko Collins? How many yards does Nico Collins has? I think he missed the game. He had a hamstring. I think he missed about three or four. If you go AOC, if you go, you got a 49, I think so, Nico Collins, because he touched down to the L six. OK, all of them, all of them going to get bigger.

They don't read it. Reach a thousand. They are right. Chase. But the pro bowl vote, I mean, the pro bowl about to be announced. But next week, and then Rick Rick still well, you know, at some point, you use it based on name alone. You might still get that not. Yeah, you might. My Carolina had Sam Darnall and they have Baker Mayfield. I don't know if you all know, but make a Mayfield got like four or five games

where he's thrown four touchdowns this year that he threw fire today with over 300 yards. Sam Donald threw three today. He's thrown 35 touchdowns, which is the third most for a for a for a Viking. So I don't know., so clearly these guys can play given the right sort of circumstances. Now look, they were devoid of talent. They didn't have this level of talent in Carolina. So you have to take, look, I'm not saying that it's all Carolina fault, but Mike Evans

and Chris Godwin, you look at what they got in Tampa now, even though Chris Godwin has gone down, they still have quality receivers, and they have a nice running game. You look at what they... Obviously, look at what Sam Darnold's throwing to. He got Aaron Jones in his backfield. He got Hawkinson, who's been a Pro Bowl player. He's got Jeddah, he's got Addison, he's got Naylor.

I mean, look, he's got guys that he can throw the ball to. But it just goes to show you, I don't care. He's got Addison, he's got Naylor. I mean, look, he's got guys that he can throw the ball to. But it just goes to show you, I don't care. Would I tally around you? Now, you got some guys now, guys like a Mahomes or guys like some guys can elevate like Brady. They used to elevate, could elevate, you know, not... If you're in the league, you're good.

But everybody is not going to be a Jetta. Everybody's not going to be Randy Moss, TO.s and so forth and so on. But what a great quarterback like my homes, he can elevate those guys play. Yes, you're not that level of player. You need guys to elevate your plane. And that's what the great skill position players around you are able to do. Baker Mayfield has been better. Since he got to Tampa, that even when he was in Cleveland,

because he got more talent around, Sam Darnold was never going to be this good in the Jets and at Carolina because he didn't have this level of talent around it. And so if you go out and sign a Sam Darnold, look at what you have. Do you have the roster that's equipped to help continue to elevate him? Because if you don't, he's not Mahomes, he's not Burrow, he's not Lamar, he's not Josh Allen.

That's not what he is. And I'm not finna sit here and tell you because he's having, and he's having an outstanding year. I'll give credit what credit is due. But I don't look at him as a guy that's a multiplier. No matter who you put out there, Ocho, he's gonna make him times two. That's not what, that's Lamar.

That's reserved for the top four or five quarterbacks in the league. That's not for him. You're one quarterbacks or your elites that regardless of what you put around them, they're always gonna get the job done. Always get the job done. Always get the job done. Then you had your tier two quarterbacks.

Your tier two quarterbacks, sometimes they need a little help. Now they're good, but they're not great. Now you put some good receivers around them. Yes, but they can have a game where they are, they can have a game or two where they are great. You know, around. But more times than not,

you need to have that hedge around them to support them. Brock Bauer's record setting day pushing the Raiders to a win versus the Saints. The Raiders posted back to back wins for the first time this season with a 25-10 victory over the New Orleans Saints. Rookie tight end Brock Bauer led the Raiders in receiving with seven catches, 77 yards and set several records.

Bauer set an NFL record for the most receiving yards by rookie tight end in a single season. And the most reception by rookie in a single season. Hello, the most reception by rookie in a single season. In this, oh, in the second quarter, right? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. Okay, in the second quarter, okay.

Bowers also set a rated singles season record for the most receiving yards by a rookie and the most receptions. I mean, what's the record? The most reception by a tight end is Jason Witten, 116? Ooh, 116. They would deal anymore. Because he has, what, what does he have now, 108?

Because I think Malik neighbors has like 106. He's right there on it. But Zach, it's OK, Zach, it's as one 16. Brock Bowers has how many? One oh eight now. So he's nine catches away from breaking the record. Hey, all I know, I'm throwing in the ball. I'm going to the ball every day. I'm telling everybody.

Oh, I forgot. Pat Surtan gonna get some votes too. Cause when he covered, Jamar Chase had throw on, what, six, seven targets. He had three catches for 27 yards against Surtan. And when Surtan wasn't on him, what's it called? Joey, Joe Burrows, honey.

Well, hey, oh, you are going somebody else. Jamar, get ready. Yeah. So Sir Ted is going to get some, he's going to get some votes. He good, man. He really nice. Oh, Joe, that's a big size. To be that big.

Yeah, they told him. Hey, listen, to be that fluid. He tall, he tall. He like, think too, think too what I have. He got great hips, great technique. He can play off, he can play man. He's really good. And always in position to make a play. Always in position to make a play.

I got you some luggage. I got the boys some luggage. Just this hefty baton. To put all this stuff in, to make sure they get it from point A to point B. Oh, man, you ain't gotta do that. Because you know what? I'll take one.

I got something for you. I got something for you. Since you're talking sporty, right? Since you're talking sporty, now you're... Run me my money. I know that you ain't mentioned about my money. I owe you a thousand, right? No, no, no, no, no, no.

You owe me a thousand on top of the three you already owe me. Now I want you to run me my money. I'm back at thousand, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. You owe me a thousand on top of the three you already owe me. Now, I want you to run me my money. I'm back at four thousand again? Show lives. Okay. You was at three, but you see, I told you, I said, Ocho, I don't want to bet you.

And listen. I don't want to do this, Ocho. I'm gonna give you money. I'm gonna give you money. Where you want me to give it to you at? You want me to zeal it to you? I can zeal it to you right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I can zeal it to you right now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no No, I want to pay my I want to pay my debt. You're gonna be told a joke. It's my turn Now I want both thousand dollars, right Both thousand dollars. How you want it? Buffalo nickels. Run me four grand of buffalo nickels. Hey. Huh? How you want it man? Come on man, for real.

I want buffalo nickels. I don't know what no buffalo nickels is. Don't worry about it. That's not your job. Go to the bank. Go to the cashier and say you like $4,000 in Buffalo Nichols. Is there such thing? Whoa! I'm just saying, is there such thing? Why are you doing me like this? Oh my gosh! I've never heard of anything called Buffalo nickels that's not a currency that's not a currency here in the states can i please just sell you your money so i ain't got to hit

nobody in the mold teddy says no teddy bear says no you cannot sell me my money or you give me four thousand dollars in wheat pennies. Who? $4,000 in wheat pennies. What's a wheat penny? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know what? What I'm noticing is you're asking a lot of questions. Well, I'm asking a lot of questions because down here in Miami, at Bank of America,

at Chase, at Navy Federal, we don't know nothing about no wheat pennies. We don't know nothing about no Buffalo pennies, we don't know nothing about no Buffalo nickels. I've never heard of these phrases in my life. I want Buffalo nickels. And I told you I don't have cash out. So you can't Zell me nothing.

I didn't even mention cash out. Everybody has Zell. I don't have Zell. You have an iPhone, don't you? Yes. Okay, you got Apple Pay. I got Apple Pay to you then. I don't got no Apple Pay. I got Uncle Pay. OK, you got Apple pay. I got Apple pay it to you then. I don't got no Apple pay.

I got Ocho pay. Now, run me my money. I'm trying to pay you. You keep on talking about what you got and all this right here. But first of all, why you talking? Because you asked me questions. I'm talking. You asked me questions.

Let your ass die before I make change. Hey, listen. I said, Ocho, please. I said, Ocho, get up off me. I was down last week. I said, Ocho, come on, Ocho, you got me. Don't you say foot. As a matter of fact, don't even make reference to a ball. I don't want to hear you say soccer. I don't want to hear you say basket because they use... I said, come on, Ocho. Yeah. Nah. So now, go and look here. But listen, you know, you're a little too happy now.

You very, very happy. You know who y'all got to play on the first round, huh? I tell you, hey. You know who y'all got to play in the first round, right? So I will make sure on next week's episode, when I bring some trash bags in here, when I bring, and we break it down, Cancun on three, one, two, three, Cancun,

I don't want to hit nothing. For the chat, I want you to say what you just said. You say, oh, do you know who y'all play next week? Right. I want you to know, I want to know, Ocho, who do the Bengals play next week. Right. I want you to know, I want to know, Ocho, who do the Bengals play next week? Oh, so you happy? You happy we went home?

Hold on, hold on. You think I take great pleasure in this? Let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. And it's for the people in the... Go ahead, ask me. If you're a Bronco fan, are you that happy that we got a vacation a week earlier than you? That's it. That's all it is. We got a vacation a week earlier than you cuz you gonna be home next week, too

And I'm gonna help you pack I'm gonna help you pack What you got? Hey, hey, listen, hey, listen. Hey, one thing, that's that boy right there, man. No, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's that boy. Why are you talking about my team? That's that boy.

Now, I'm not talking about your team. I'm talking about the individual that happens to play for your team. I'm talking about the individual that happens to play for your team. Yeah. Hold on. He nice. I can't believe this man talking about somebody that plays in the blue and orange. No, no, no, no, no.

As a matter of fact, I'm embarrassed that your team has orange in their colors. Hey, don't do that. Ah, disgusting. George, turn this land. Why do you want them on the Portier glass and then someone on a chape off the counter? What you finna celebrate? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm just saying, it's gonna be a short celebration. glass in the door or something in a shade off the counter. What you finna celebrate? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm just saying it's going to be a short celebration. I don't know why you celebrating. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Do you know who you guys are playing in the first round next week? Who y'all not? Okay, I understand that.

You scared to say the name? I know it, Buffalo. Okay. Okay. You know y'all playing at? In Buffalo. Am way stadium or whatever I think that's the name. Okay I'm just making sure you know what Josh Allen finna do to y'all? He finna send you home packing. Okay. He finna send you home packing. How that make you feel? So you get listen you get no hype you happy but you get ready to go home anyway next week. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle

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That's some bullshit. Heartways with Mike McCarthy. That's some bullshit. Oh Joe, who the? You know that. Uh, Dez Bryant sounds off against the Cowboysboys coaching drama. This is what Dez tweeted.

Dan Quinn turned a once struggling franchise into a playoff contender and won his first playoff game until Dallas focused on winning instead of politics. Cowboys fans should not expect success soon. I'm telling you this straightforwardly, just as I always do. Ocho, who's gonna to be the cowboy's next other coach and victim?

I don't know who the victim is going to be. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I just don't like the way Jerry operates. I don't like the way he operates. There was an opportunity for Mike McCarthy to be able to interview for the Chicago Bear job. Jerry blocked that. He said, no, I'm thinking, well, if you're telling me no,

Mike McCarthy should be upset. If you're telling me no, I can't go interview for the job, I'm thinking you're going to retain me and discuss a long-term contract at some point. What was the point of even doing that? Just to show that you're in control? Just to show your power? Just to...

Yeah, that's what it was. You knew he wouldn't, Ocho, he knew he wasn't bringing Mike McCarthy back, but no, I'm not gonna let you interview with, I'm not gonna let you interview with the I'm not gonna let you interview with the Bears on your timeline, it's gonna be on my timeline. What's the point? What?

What's the point? We know you're in control. Control. We know you're the owner. We know that. The season eight isn't even in, and you're still making headlines based on your decision making. That's making absolutely no sense.

Let the man go. You know you didn't want him to begin with because if you wanted him, you would have paid him before the season even started or paid him in season instead of allowing him to finish out this contract. Like what would it be doing? But here's the thing, remember when they lost, they lost a couple of times in the first round, they thought they kept Dan Quinn,

Dan Quinn really stayed because he thought he was gonna get the job. They thought they kept Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn really stayed because he thought he was gonna get the job. Then outside Jerry kept bull driving, said, man, let me go on out here and get me a job. You bull driving. And guess what? Bobby Wagner was available. He had no blind back like Bobby Wagner.

B. Wags, look at that. Know that defense, know Dan Quinn's defense. Now Kendr's played well, but B. Wags is a different animal. But see, Jerry is gonna be Jerry. He gonna hire a coach and then he gonna tell you who to hire. Well, this is gonna be your defense coordinator.

This is gonna be your offensive coordinator. I have a question. Now I've seen reports, I treated that earlier today. You know, I'm just thinking, I just threw it out there. Like, you know, I ain't talked to Pram, you know, I'm just thinking, I just threw it out there. Like, you know, I ain't talked to Prime, you know, I'm just thinking, well, let me see, Mike McCarthy is gone. And I think about Prime, you know, obviously, you know, I'm not trying to disturb no trouble. And then as soon as I tweeted it three hours later, they go to reports, Jerry Jones, Reese

Alford, Deion Sanders about the opportunity. Deion saying he was intrigued, you know, but he loves what he has in Boulder as far as his team and his roster. And I just, I just, I just listened when an opportunity like that comes along. When an opportunity like that comes along, do you let it pass you by? Do you let it pass you by? I know Dion said I would love to coach my sons. I doubt probably, I'm not sure where Dallas is picking, but she's saying

it's not going to be there. He's not going to be there unless they do something extravagant and climb the ladder, climb the ladder and go get, go get a quarterback. I doubt it. You know, they have that. They just think about it. You just raise that system. You're just speaking hypotheticals, but I'm just saying for the opportunity to actually coach at the highest level where you dominated, where you made your Hall of Fame career. I mean, do you really pass them up like that?

What do you think? Oh, you do. Mm hmm. Well, look, no, Ocho. Look, we know Jerry. Jerry is right. Our authoritarian. Uh, it's Jerry way right. Our third authoritarian. Oh, it's Jerry way or no way. He feel I heard Troy tonight said he don't believe the cowboy job is coveted.

It's our profile, but it's not coveted. He says because coaches can't become who they are and what they can become because Jerry, he says Dan Campbell is not going to be Dan Campbell in Dallas like he is in Detroit. Uh, Andy Reed would not be Andy Reed in the Dallas like he is in Kansas City. That should tell that should tell, think about it, Jerry, you continue to do things your way because you want the credit. Sometimes you don't realize how great things can be if you don't care who

gives the credit, but Jerry cares and therein lies his problem. He's always cared. That's why he fired Jimmy. He won't ever admit it. It drove him crazy that everybody mentioned Jimmy and he got no shine. So he fired a man back. Let us think, Chad, let us think here for a second, because I don't think you guys realize what I'm about to say here. He fired Jimmy after back to back Super Bowls and his oldest superstar was Michael Irvin at 28 years of age.

His oldest superstar was 28 years of age and he fired it. was 28 years of age and he fired it. Now, first ballot Hall of Famer and Troy Aikman, first ballot Hall of Fame, all time leading rusher to Emmett Smith. Michael Webb got in on the second ballot and they had that team together. They won another one, they missed that year, they went and got prime and they won another one. They missed that year. They went and got prime and they want another one.

But had they had Jimmy, that's when Jerry started. They were, they won in spite of Jerry. That was the best. How good that 95 team was. They won in spite of Jerry, but had they kept Jimmy, what you see the Patriots did, you think they could have ran it like that? Think about what they had. Emmett Smith, Emmett came in with me. So Emmett left early.

So 93 Emmett should have been 24. Troy was 26. Mike was 20. Troy was 27. Mike was 28. Listen, 27. Mike was 28. Listen, remember what member was seeing he said in color purple? Huh? Somebody. Somebody needs to do that to Jerry until you write by me. Everything you. I forgot what. Yeah, every day. Go come back over.

That's what's happening. Nothing is going good for the Cowboys since that fire. Now you made you made it to the playoffs. You made it. But you always you always going home in the first round. Oh, Joe, Joe, the Sean Watson underwent a second surgery for a right Achilles rupture.

According to a team statement earlier this week, Watson reported to the cross-country mortgage campus for an exit physical as a part of the Brown season ending process. He complained of discomfort after rolling the ankle in Miami. MR results demonstrated a re-rupture of the Achilles. They're normally in a boot for at least three months. What makes this injury so difficult to repair, to recover from, is that when they put you in a boot for at least three months. What makes this injury so difficult to repair,

to recover from, is that when they put you in a boot, the muscles start to atrophy. You know what happened? Now you got weakness. So now you have to build that calf muscle. Now you have to build all those muscles up. Cause you can't do anything. It's not like an ACL, Ocho.

They get your butt in there. The day after surgery, they got you bending that leg. They got you raising it, squeezing that quad muscle, trying to get it firing. They're putting stem on it to get that muscle firing to keep that muscle from atrophy. Right. Well, when you're in a boot, there ain't really anything that you can do. 62 days after surgery, Desha Sean didn't have the boot on. Oh, Joe. Remember we had a conversation.

I'm like, why is he reworking his contract when he got guaranteed money? Now we know why. Remember I said, Oh Joe, he got guaranteed. Why would I rework my contract? Y'all can't do nothing. He's going to miss all the 25. He missed a large part of 23. He missed damn near all the 24.

He's going to miss all a 25. It's a lot of, I don't wish injury on nobody. You already know how I feel about injuries in general. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He missed a large part of 23. He missed damn near all of 24. He's gonna miss all of 25. It's a lot of, I don't wish injury on nobody.

You already know how I feel about injuries in general. It's unfortunate. I've been one who's stood high, you know, and hoping that we get to the Sean Watson of old. This is a setback, you know, for him. It's also a setback for the Browns. I'm curious to see what the Browns are gonna do at that position, knowing where they're picking the draft.

If they're able to find someone to play the quarterback position where you bring a veteran in, would it be maybe Kirk Hutton? Can Joe Flacco maybe come back? I'm not sure what they're gonna do, but man, this is not good for them. It's not good for Deshaun. And that's upsetting. Look, when this thing happened on Joe, I thought what was going on with Deshaun was more mental than physical.

Right. It was what transpired and then everybody kind of knew, uh, or thought they knew and what was true was that's not our job. Right. We're not here to try to read, try anything or say somebody innocent or guilty, but what we can say is that when people realize and say, damn, all of this, all of this, and let's just say for the sake of our, all of this true, All of this, all of this. And let's just say for the sake of our all of this truth, all of it's real.

It's the fact that everybody knows it's the same thing that happened with Tiger. I mean, think about it, don't you? Now, this different situation. Allegedly, nothing Tiger didn't. People said to Sean, made did things against the will. But what I'm saying is that when Tiger. People like Tiger, you still playing golf? Right, right, right, right.

It was the fact that they saw him in a different light. Light, yes, sir. Now all of a sudden he wasn't this wholesome, this family mad father of two. Oh, you're a freak. And it messed with him psychologically. Yeah. I mean, he won one more major. After that. After that. You know what that comes from as well, obviously, right? And it messed with him psychologically. Yeah. I mean, he won one more major after that.

You know what that comes from as well, obviously, right? Not only are you embarrassed publicly about everyone knowing what, how you conducted yourself away from the game of golf, but if anything, what you could have done is you could have stayed true to yourself. Stay true to yourself. Everybody knows now. So why don't change? Because not only did

it change you as a golfer, you were winning majors and playing extremely well at the, at the height of your game when you were doing whatever it was you were doing outside, outside of the golf courts. If you look at guys that have built big, big brands, what have they all been? big brands, what have they all been? Married. That's what we sell it. He's the all American guy, wife, 2.5 kids, house, white picket fence. Go look at the guys that have the biggest brands.

Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer, Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahone. You look at guy, Kobe, LeBron James. Yeah. Shaq was, go look at the guys that have built these huge brands and what do they all have? The only exception, what's the only exception? Ocho.

Derek Jeter. Right? I'm talking about people that's building half a billion, billion dollar, you talking about Ocho. Oh, I got that now. Don't do that. So maybe that's what he was looking at, Ocho. Yeah.

The problem is he got mad and didn't have his peepee on the control. And then everybody knew it. Oh, Ocho, you're about to be, I don't want everybody to know I'm a freak. Right, right. Freak man, freak man, yeah, that's me. I want y'all to know that.

Yeah. People knew. Now they look good. Coach, Coach, watch out. You walk to the course, everybody looking at you. Yeah. I bet Tiger shoot. I bet Tiger shoot the covers last night. Yeah.

And you just say everybody, everybody, everybody on that goddamn course, just like him. Everybody just say everybody don't know about it. See? Mm hmm. You see a pretty girl at the golf course. I want to shift for Tiger. I bet that's Tiger people. You're thinking what you're thinking.

Oh, Joe, you think that is? I don't know. See, I just, I just, I just, oh, Joe, we just, we just got to keep it wet by with you, but hopefully Deshaun have a speedy recovery. He's never going to be the same quarterback again, Ocho. Never, never. Now it's not really about playing. Bro, you and your 30s, you want to have a normal life.

You don't want to be walking around like Shannon Sharpe at 56. And you 35, 33, 34. You want to have someone of a normal life. You want to be able to walk without a limp. Yeah, you walk with a little bit 32 with a head. You think you'll be a part of to get to 62. Yeah, you're down to need a wheelchair.

So now it's about getting a level of health back. Right. Well, you can do stuff. I don't know if he if he wants kids or he's going to have kids, but you want to want to do something with the kids at this point in time. I'm not even thinking about playing football. I'm thinking about hitting, tackling this rehab, take it as serious as I possibly can and try to heal up and get back.

Cause 2025 is over. You're not coming back. The Patriots have hired Mike Vrabel as the next head coach. Robert Kraft will replace one of his former players with another in hopes to improve the results. Vrabel is the first coach since 1950 to directly succeed another coach where both played together in the NFL as teammates since Forrest Gregg took over

for Bart Starr as the Packers head coach in 1984. There might be a possibility to bring Josh McDaniels back as offensive coordinator considering that Josh before we talk about Mike Ravel it seems to me the only place Josh McDaniels can have success is in New England. Wait a minute whoa stop right there the only place Josh McDaniels could have success is in New England when he has Tom Brady at the helm. Well he did go to the playoffs when he had success is in New England when he has Tom Brady at the helm. Well, he did go to the playoff when he had a Mac Jones. Remember, Mac Jones rookie year, he had Mac,

they went 10 and six. Then he goes to, remember he goes to the Raiders. He gets the Raiders job. Coach Belichick had this brilliant idea that I think Bill O'Brien was the coach for one year and then Bill O'Brien leaves. And then he has two of his slappy homies come in there, Matt Patricia and Joe Judge,

guys that have never called an offensive play in all their life. One is a special teams coach, the other is a DC. And you know what? Our first round draft pick as a quarterback that made the Pro bowl as a rookie, that ended up taking us to the playoffs, we wanna have two guys in his ear

that's never ever called an offensive play. Yeah. What do you think about this? For me, I'm disappointed that Mr. Kraft did not give Gerard Mayo more time. It'd be interesting to see if Vrabel struggles and not have a great record, the likelihood of him moving on with Vrabel after a year is not very likely. No, absolutely.

Everybody else that Mr. Kraft has had, not granted,. But coach Belichick was five and 11. He got another he got a DeGrasse period. Next year we know what happened to win the Super Bowl and they take off. But do you like the hire of Mike Grable? I mean I like it. I like it but I don't see much changing. I don't see much changing depending on how the draft goes, depending on what they get in the agency. Then you get some pieces in there that could help defensively, that could help offensively. Things might change but I don't see it to be a quick turnaround that fast. I've never seen a team turn around that fast. The quarterback position,

obviously Drake May is good. He showed flashes of brilliance. Then he's had some lows. Obviously, you get that with a rookie quarterback. Depending on his growth and how much better he gets from now to next season, then I think things will be okay for them. But I don't see him making that kind of jump where it just changes the dynamic of that team in general and all of a sudden they turn it around and win 10, 11-something games. No, it's not going to happen. But if they do have a loser's season again, the leash for Vrabel will be much longer than the leash for Gerard Mayo.

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