Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rams best Niners, De’Vondre Campbell quits, Hurts & Brown good

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

Shannon Sharpe reacts to Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams defeating Brock Purdy, Deebo Samuel and the San Francisco 49ers on Thursday Night Football. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Niners LB De’Vondre Campbell telling the team he didn’t want to play anymore and left the game in the third quarter, Philadelphia Eagles Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown saying they are on good terms and things got blown out of proportion and much more!03:13 - Introduction05:50 - Rams vs Niners17:20 - Jalen Hurts & AJ Brown33:30 - Lions take back tickets44:05 - Campbell tells team he doesn’t have to play1:08:45 - Money Moves Draft Kings(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, I knew it was released, just dropped last week. New, we have t-shirts, we have sweats. As you can see, this is not a beanie. I don't know who came up with the name Beanie, but this is what we call a Scully. But okay, Ash is a little late. We also have koozies and we have bugs. Ocho was not home to receive his Scully,

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The link is pinned at the top of the chat. It's February the 6th in New Orleans. Be there. You don't want to miss this one. The Rams got four field goals in a drink and a downpour, but that was enough to beat the 49ers, 12 to six in a very, very sloppy game, a very boring game. Matthew Stafford was 16 of 27, 160 yards. I think he had like 23 yards at the half. Kyron Williams continues his great play.

29 carries, 106, and it was him that basically ran out the clock late in the ball game that led to a field goal with limited time on the clock that really put this game away. Pukka Nakua continues his outstanding play after coming back from injury. He has seven catches for 97 yards. He had a longer 51, he only had eight targets.

But I think the story of the night was Cooper Cupp, who had three targets and no catches. I can't remember the last time Cooper Cupp played a game, Ocho, and did not have a catch. Brock Purdy was 14 and 31, 142 yards and a very, very, very bad interception. The 49ers could not muster anything as far as running the football. They did a very poor job of protecting Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy was spraying the ball all over the field, but he did have an opportunity to get a touchdown and Debo dropped it. He had split the scenes and he had his mind on

probably scoring a touchdown and he just flat out dropped it, Ocho. There's no other way around it. And that's why you don't complain about when you don't catch it, because I've seen the chats and I was online and I see what everybody's saying. Now you see how you make yourself look foolish when you start complaining and then you drop a touchdown. But watching this game, Ocho, I think all intents and purposes. This probably ends the 49ers season

There with three games to go. I don't see them doing enough I don't think Seattle the Rams or the Cardinals do enough damage to themselves In order to have the 49ers in the 49ers would have to win out and I don't see that happening So I think for all intents and purposes they don't even have a milk chance with 2% to get into the playoffs But when you look at this game, what did you like about what you saw from the Rams? I mean listen what I saw for the Rams obviously being resilient being able to get it Being able to move the ball just a little bit the first half on the first half was abysmal. It was both foreign that you said. Obviously I think if the weather was a little bit better, we would have saw the Rams look

like we're used to seeing them look. Now that they have Cooper Cup and Pukin' the Cool healthy, it would have been a much, much better game. Obviously, I don't like the fact that Cooper Cup wasn't able to get a kiss tonight. It is it's hard and it's hard to fathom that obviously pool the cool best And now Cooper Cup seems to have passed the torch on on the poker I mean they they still they still won the game the foot Like you got to be careful, but Debo when you

Like you gotta be careful about Debo when you complain about Debo gets to catch that ball. The game is different. The game is completely different. The 49ers game. He had two drops. Kelly tackled his own teammate. He had two carry, I mean for what? What a Russian total of three yards, 1. He had two carry. I mean for what what a Russian total of three yards 1.5 yards to carry

He has 60 yards receiving and a false start penalty So deep deep boat this is a lesson for him got to be careful You got to be careful what you wish for because the football gods will always put you in position to make a play To make a play and this is the difference in being good and being great You know if you complain about the ball and the opportunities when they come, even if they come few and so often, you got to make those plays. You got to make those plays. And other than that, listen. Ocho.

Thanksgiving, they go on a run. Ocho, start your log off and see if we can get a better connection. Because right now you're cutting out like every other word and people really can't hear what you want to say. So if you could just restart your computer and see if we can get a better connection. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I mean maybe you can call down and see if they have a premium Wi-Fi that you can get on to.

Because I'm sure they have a conference center down there somewhere that they, that businesses come and they use. So let's see what we can get done. Sorry about that guys. Look, things happen. We don't always be in a situation where we're at home and we have great internet service and everything is wired accordingly.

We have the greatest, the fiber optics and high speed internet out of the yin-yang. But sometimes you're at the mercy of situations and I've been there before where we don't always have the ideal situations. But hopefully we can get this thing, we can get it rectified because we really want to make sure we give you guys the best show we possibly can. And I think that's the only way, only possible if we can get Ocho on a better internet provider,

a better service that he can, that he's not on the lag that he's on and he's not cutting out every other word. So just bear with us. We're sorry, sorry about that guys, but we appreciate your patience. But as Ocho was saying, and the thing is with Debo, he has to understand.

It's funny how the football gods will humble you. Now he's complaining and he put up a tweet and then he took the tweet down and now here it is for all the world to see. This your opportunity. Now look what you did. I mean if it wasn't raining we just saw you wet the bed. But your clothes wet so we don't really know. But you did. You did all that talking, oh, I want the ball, ain't nothing wrong with Debo. Bro, you're not the same.

I mean, even they showed the cutups, bro, you had no separation. Even on the balls that he didn't get, guys, did y'all see any separation? How was Purdy gonna drop the balls in there? There was no separation It's just so I just I just don't get these guys these guys start reading the comments and oh Debo you should do this and you should go somewhere else and you start getting high on your own supply and you start feeling Yourself and then would you get an opportunity before tonight?

I put you in a situation where you can make plays you come up small now I want you to go on and say, hey, just like you had a head, the nerve to go out there and tweet and say, nothing wrong with Debo. I want you to say, Hey guys, I let my let the team down tonight. I had an opportunity to make a play and I didn't have a false start. So, Hey, that's what you have to do. But, uh, it's tough. It is really tough playing in these conditions,

but Hale DeRams was playing in this condition. Pukin Nakua had eight targets. He had seven catches. So you expect Kittle had four reception 61 yards. He had a longer 33 on seven targets. Yawan Jennings had nine targets, two catches. I don't know what Purdy was throwing on that last interception.

And I was looking at it and I was like, Kyle is just running this football because he really doesn't want to put this ball in harm's way. He want to put it on the foot of his kicker to maybe tie this ball game up. And worst case scenario, for a best case scenario,

get a field goal and maybe get a quick three and out and get the ball with a chance to win The game but pretty through this ball I don't know where we're throwing it because Jennings had no separation the guy with the corner was over the top lip But That's a That's neither here nor there but give the Rams their play They're going in the right direction at the right time The 49ers is too many injuries too many inconsistent too much

Too much inconsistent play big guys being out of the lineup T Dub was out of the lineup again. We could understand why Both of them missed some time because he was Nick. They just got Greenlaw back. I Think it's they are you huff nagger? He just got back after a long season, but it was just a season where expectations weren't met. This is the 49ers, the team that was in the Super Bowl last year. They bring a lot of the key pieces back, but it didn't work out for them this year. And so that's why I keep telling teams all the time, just because you went somewhere last year, that doesn't mean you're going to go that same place this year. You have to start all back over again. And it's not easy. So I think you have a healthy level

of respect for what you saw the Patriots do year in and year out, what you see Kansas City do year in and year out. Here they are trying to go for a three-peat as far as Super Bowls. They've been in the AFC Championship game every year since Patrick Mahomes has been the starter. They've gone to four Super Bowls in a six year span. Yeah, six, seven years, seven years, excuse me. So it's gonna be very, very interesting. But guys, we really appreciate you guys bearing with us.

We know it's never easy. It's frustrating. Y'all know it's frustrating for me. But, you know, every night that I go to bed and pray for patients, he hadn't given it to me, but he sure put me in some situations that required it. So that's how that's how that's... Huh? Man, y'all know this thing called a scully? A beanie, my definition of a beanie, it doesn't have a lip. It's just a thin hat that you pull down and that's it. This is a scully.

Definitely a scully, yes, a scully. I don't even know why I let Ash name it anyway. That's on me. I don't even know why I let Ash name it anyway. That's on me. I don't want to F'ed up. But I don't know, maybe the definition have changed over the years. I know when I was a kid, it was called a scully. What we had to wear when we was waiting outside

for the bus to come pick us up, or we went somewhere and it was cold, my grandma said, boy, get that scully. But I guess somehow over the years, it's been changed. I mean, I don't know where Beanie came from. Beanie Weenies, I don't know. Y'all young, y'all don't know no better.

I do, I think it's what you call them. I think it's age, I think age according to where you are. I think someone around my age, probably 40 and above, they probably look at it and say it's a scully. Under that 39 and under, they probably look at it and say it's a beanie. I'd never heard of the term beanie when I was growing up. So, but I think y'all have to admit it's cool though. You know, you boy rockin' it.

I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I can't think y'all have to admit it's cool though. You know, you boy rockin it. I can't remember last time I had one on my damn head. I probably hadn't had one of these on my head since I played. Yeah. Right. Exactly.

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Brought to you by Hypnotic. Jalen Hurst and AJ Brown addressed the speculation surrounding their relationship. Both said it isn't fractured despite teammate Brandon Graham suggesting otherwise. AJ, BG was just being BG. He's emotional. In that case, he just misspoke. Me and Jaylen are fine.

Her said BG spoke out of place and he knows that. Yes? Everything is not for public consumption. Let's just say for the sake of argument is true. How did BG help the situation? Cause at the end of the day, whatever's going on in the locker room, your job is to try to diffuse it and to try to help it.

This did not diffuse it, this did not help it. And I expected them to say what they said and I don't have any reason to doubt them, but let's just say for the sake of argument, and that's what we do here, we try to play both sides of the argument, how what BG said, how did that help this situation? I don't see that it did. I don't see the good that came from it. Everything that he said, be it true or not, could have been said behind closed doors in a private meeting room with both of those guys.

Whatever the situation was between Hertz and Brown, AJ could have said what he said, his frustrations. Obviously, when you're the number one receiver and you don't get the targets and you don't get the catches in the yard that you're probably thinking you should or you're accustomed to, you become frustrated. The only thing I will say to AJ is that you have probably thinking you should or you're accustomed to, you become frustrated. The problem, the only thing I will say to AJ is that you have to be careful because you're winning. You won nine straight games, nine or 10 straight ball games. And then when you complain, it comes off as you're being selfish. Now, I don't believe AJ is selfish. I believe he's a guy that's highly competitive and wants to win and understands that in order for us to get to where we need to be and where we want to go, the passing game is going to have to greatly improve.

I believe it. I don't believe you're going to beat Detroit. I don't believe you'll beat Minnesota. I don't believe you'll beat Green Bay. I don't even know if you'll beat Tampa when your quarterback only throws the ball. Now, if you run the air out of the ball for 250 300 yards, yes that can overcome the lack of passing. But the likelihood of teams are just gonna let a Saquon run wild. I just don't see that happen. And so when you got two quality receivers, Goddard I think just got Nick last weekend so I don't know if and when he's coming back. But your two big guns are gonna have to go off at some point in time,

and they're gonna have to be consistent with that. But I like what AJ and Jaylen, I like the united front. Look, BG was out of town, he spoke out of pocket. He should have said what he said. And like he said, whatever issue that BG had, just like he said hurts and AJ could have gotten to a room, you could have did the same thing.

So hopefully if they got it worked out, everything is gonna be good moving forward. And so I think that's the thing. I mean it's tough. You guys are very, very competitive and highly emotional men in that locker room and they realize they don't want what happened last year to happen this year. Got off to the great start, lose a bunch of games at the end and then they were one and done. And when you got guys that care a lot, this is what you get. Now, I'm not surprised that it's like this because you get a lot of guys that put a

lot into it. You have to make a lot of sacrifices in order to be a great football team and guys have to sacrifice. Sometimes you have to sacrifice numbers in order to be the team that you want to be. Everybody look, it would be great if everybody could get their numbers and we still be successful, but sports doesn't work like that. They really don't.

But I'm glad to see, and hopefully we come out here and we'll find out over the next couple of games. They got Pittsburgh this week at home. They got the Cowboys. They got a few games, some tough games down the stretch. And what you're gonna need in order to win these games, you're gonna have to have a united front. You're gonna have to have one,

the team that's on one accord. And if you get that, you have an opportunity to do something special. But it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out. Pittsburgh is a very good test for them because we know what Pittsburgh represent. They have an outstanding defense.

They do a great job of limiting the run. They want to make you one-dimensional as do most teams. And if they can make you one-dimensional, now they can come hunt your quarterback. It's going to be very interesting to see if that defensive line can continue to hunt like they've been hunting. We see Jaylen Carter, we see Williams, we see Davis. Sweatt has been doing a great job of getting out to the quarterback. N'Kobe Dean is having an outstanding season. Braun is playing really well. That secondary is getting better and better.

You see Big Play Slate starting to make his plays on one side. Michael on the other side. Those two safeties. Blanket ship. So it's going to be very, very, it's going to be very interesting to see how this thing plays out this week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. But I really, really hope that this thing is behind the Eagles and they come out there and play with a sense of urgency and they go ahead and, uh, take care of, uh, what they need to take care of.

You got it back up? You up and functional? Can you hear me? Yes. Hey man, man, fuck man, fuck this shit, man. Hey, no, I'm for real, can you see me? Yeah I can see you. With that big yellow bird ass t-shirt on. Okay, okay, be good, be good, be good, be good, be good. Hey, you gotta help me out with something real quick. When I I'm on the road like this and I get I get the hotels

Where the internet provider is not good How do I counter that what can I carry with me to counter them having bad Wi-Fi at a hotel? So you just ask them to have a premium service because a lot of times they have conference room right then you might have to ask them to let you use the conference room because you need, because of what you're trying to get done. Ask them, do they have an upgraded internet service that's not typical for regular rooms? A lot of people don't want to put an extra $20, $30 for internet service. But that's what you're going to have to, yes. Right, I just called down, I'm at the Grand, I don't want to be disrespectful to the hotel,

but the hotel I'm at, I called down and asked the lady, do you have a premium service that I can get? She said, no, we don't have that and we'll send an engineer up there. She called back two seconds later, oh, no, engineer is here. We can go to our business room downstairs on the fifth floor. I'm like, ma'am, our show has already started. I don't have time to pack all my stuff and go downstairs. But here, from now on, hey, listen, it's not my fault. But I got my phone.

I got my- Ask if they have a premium upgrade, internet service, that you can use. If not, ask them, can you go use the conference center? Okay, so I'm gonna just, you know what? I'm gonna just use the conference center from now on when I'm on the road. I ain't got time for this shit.

I'm ready, I'm ready. When was that, when was that? We was discussing the Jaylin Hurst and AJ Brown. Let me go back. Oh. Surrounding their relationship. Both said the relationship isn't fractured. Despite what teammate Brandon Graham is suggesting otherwise. AJ, BG, which is Brandon Graham, was just being BG. He's emotional. And in that case, he just misspoke. Me and Jalen are fine. Hurts said BG spoke out of place, and he knows that.

Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. Anytime you have somebody on the outside speaking on a situation that they know nothing about, even though you are teammates, you have, for one, as a receiver, as a tight end, you understand A.J. Brown's frustrations. Watching the film and watching some of the plays in which his frustrations stem from from you understand where you're coming from

But there's a way to do things. There's a way to do things everything should have been kept in house and stayed in internally and the conversation should have been had between AJ Brown and Goddamn Jaylen Hertz boom all they had to do. Hey listen after practice come in here Let's break down some of this film, some of the plays where you could just hit me, you know, based on anticipation. If a guy is off, you give me a shot on the right side of the field when he had that shot when it was one-on-one and the safety, at the snap of the ball, the safety went to the middle of the field. You got to give me those shots on those D-balls.

You have to trust in me. There's a reason why they paid me what I did. There's a reason why I'm the number one receiver. You got to trust me in these situations. I got you. Nine times out of 10, AJ Brown will make those plays on the throws where he was hesitant and then let it go.

It seems like when Jaylen, when Jaylen has played his quarterback on, he waits for the player to be open before he lets the ball go instead of insisting. His anticipatory skills aren't where they should be. They just aren't. You got the charge of receivers, man. You got to trust him.

And he hadn't been doing that. And I understand AJ Brown's frustration, but the way he went about doing it, it wasn't the right way. I agree. I agree with everything you just said. And just like BG said that AJ should have pulled Jaylen to the side and had a private conversation,

he should have done likewise with Jaylen, Hurston, and AJ. Yes, sir. You ask somebody to do something and you can't ask more than you're willing to give. You can't ask them to do have a private conversation while you go have a public conversation about the private conversation they were supposed to have. Yeah, and see, this is the funny thing. This is where it all, this is where it stems from being very media savvy.

Being media savvy and understanding the space that you're in and understanding the power that your voice has based on the situation. Because all we did was just made it worse. All we did was just made it worse. So if they did ask you the question of a podcast or whether it be the media or whatnot, you spin it. You spin it and you say something positive

to deflect the situation that's going on. You don't add goddamn fuel to the goddamn fire. You're absolutely right. But I think the thing is that, Ocho, at this point in time, you know the situation. Look, you're in Philly. You've been in Philly. If I'm not mistaken, you're the longest tenured eagle.

So you know the least thing that is said about the ego that coming from that locker room is going to be magnified. Now I don't need you to give it a megaphone and amplify it even more. Understand that. That's media 101, I understood everything is not meant for public consumption. No, sir. And even though the media, oh, they want honesty. Okay, I'm going to give you my honesty. But I'm not going to give you the honesty that's going to tear the fabric of the locker room. Right.

Because then what's your role in helping put it back together? You trying to sell story. You trying to get people to read your article. Right. Click on it. Like it. Whatever the case may be. I'm trying to keep the team together in order for us

to get to where we need to be. Right. And me telling secrets or dirt what's in the locker room doesn't help that. Nah. At all. At all. I think it will be all right, though.

Matter of fact, this week, this week, I listen, as well as Saquon has been playing all season long, they not finna run the ball the way they think they've been running the ball all season long against that Steelers defense. The Steelers defense against the goddamn run, they top five in NFL. So this is a week where AJ Brown and Devontae Smith

are gonna have to show up, and Jalen Hurts ain't gonna have no choice but to get that ball out of his hand. Ain't going to have no choice and they're going to have all the chances they need. I think it was two years ago, 2022, I think AJ Brown's best game against his dealers, he had maybe he had three touchdowns. I forgot how many he casted for like 165, 156 yards, something like that. So they gonna have to get back to that, go back and watch that film,

see what you did in that Pacific game against the Steelers. You got to repeat it. You got to repeat it this Sunday. Look, I understand the Steelers are great against the run, but don't think y'all gonna scare me out of running this football. We do got Saquon and he's running the air out of the football.

So whatever y'all think y'all gonna do, oh, we number four against the rush. I don't give a damn if you're number 1,000 against the rush. Plus 1,000. We're gonna attempt to run the football because we're not gonna let you make us one dimensional early. Now it might get to a point where we have to throw the football,

but I tell you what, we're gonna still sprinkle some runs in there because we're not gonna just let TJ Watts and he bring in High Smith, just pin the damn ears back and come get the quarterback That's not gonna happen right even though you have my lot on one side you got Lane Johnson you got dick Dickerson I get it. I get you got Beckton at the I get all of that But if you just pinned it if you just a lot of Steelers that front seven led by TJ Yeah, even the cam Hayward can come get your quarterback,

he's really good against the run. But if you just let these guys just like, oh, they're not gonna even shift to run the ball, or they gonna get your quarterback down. See, this is the frustrating part. This is the frustrating part. They are so good against the run, they can't allow, how do I say it?

They can't allow the goddamn Steelers to dictate what they want to do offensively. Because it's going to be a lot of two yard gain, a tackle for loss. It's going to be a three yard gain. At some point it's going to break. But the Steelers are so disciplined and they're not doing nothing special based on who they playing. They're going to line up. They're not going to do nothing exotic.

And they just going to play because they have the personnel to get it done And that's how they played it That's how they played all season if you're going to have success against Steelers You're gonna have to put the ball in there. You're gonna have to yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah It's just hard to have success do being one-dimensional. Yeah in an end of a game dish The at this it there used to be a time that you could just run the football, Ocho, or you could just throw the football. But those games, those days are just few and far between. And I'm not saying you need to have 200 yards rushing and 300 yards passing. I'm not saying you need to have 150 yards rushing.

But you do need to give the defense something other to think about other than hunting your quarterback. Right, right, right, right. Other than hunting your quarter. Right, right, right, right. The Lions revoked season tickets of a fan who had a pregame verbal altercation with Matt LaFleur at four fields last week. A TV camera caught the end of the heated exchange between LaFleur and Fahad Yusuf. Yusuf? Yusuf.

LaFleur could be yelling at the fan, but said his actions were provoked. I've never been a part of something like that, LaFleur said. He was talking junk to our players, giving them throat slash sign. You're trying to deescalate it and then gets in my face and I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike. Youssef said he was devastated by the move after being contacted via email.

The biggest punch in the gut, man. Just waking up and seeing that email and not being able to talk to somebody in person, it was a terrible feeling. I don't have a chance to give my side of the story or anything. You can't do that, man. You can't do that. You just can't do that.

You can't. Listen, the NFL is not going to go forward. The team's not going to go forward because you're a representation of them. going to go for it because you're a representation of them. So if you, if you, if you as a fan of say a team is chatting and talking trash to the opposing team's head coach, what do you think is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? You have to remain a fan.

You have to remain in your position as a fan. I'm surprised. I'm surprised Detroit did this. What? I am. Well, surprised Detroit did this. What? I am. Well, it's no different. It's no different than playing in the NBA and you got fans heckling players on the sideline

just because you sit in court side. We gotta enjoy the game. There's no need to disrespect the opposing team's head coach. For what? You know what? It'd been interesting to see, to hear what was said.

Right. Now, I don't, Ojo, I don't think the throat slashing gesture is enough. Like I said, I don't know. Did he say the magic word? Did he say the N word? Oh. Did he say some of the other stuff? Did he call somebody a monkey? Did he, I mean, what were some of the words, Ocho?

And then, like I said, I don't know. Now, you're talking to somebody that's been in a similar situation. What were some of the words, Ocho? And then, like I said, I don't know. Now, you're talking to somebody that's been in a similar situation, everybody knows my story, it's well documented. I got into a verbal altercation with some of the Grizzlies players. Now, if the Lakers said, Shannon, you can't come back.

I'm dead-ass wrong. Hey, the money that I paid for the ticket, I gotta eat that. I gotta eat that right, right I gotta eat that cuz my thing. Oh Joe, you know how I am. I control Shannon's action, right? I don't get to control the consequences that came from Shannon's act, right, right? And I get what he said he's like man I ain't even get a chance to talk to nobody I ain't get a chance to explain my side of the story. If I get I was wrong.

But, you know, hey, maybe I'm a little bit more sympathetic and understanding. Right. Because sometimes, oh, Joe, man, you look, look, I, I don't know. Hell, I forgot I was in the game. I ain't lying. If I. And you were you was hot. You were hot. Bro, it was like, I'm like, I'm thinking I'm on the corner. I'm at the barbershop and I'm going, I'm going back and forth. Yeah.

You like this guy? I like this guy. It's like, you know, we having a conversation about Kobe LeBron or Kobe Jordan or Jordan Braun, Braun Kobe. Right. That's how it was. I don't, I honestly, I don't remember anything until the security got me back and into the hallway and they asked, hey, oh, you okay?

And I'm like, why y'all keep asking me am I okay? Right, right. What happened? They're like, oh, oh, you okay? Right. And I'm looking at, I'm looking at my man, he looking at me like, I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. And then it really dawned on me. But at that point in time I was like,

oh, Lord have mercy. I said, I know my sister's gonna see this, my brother's gonna see this, the kids gonna see this. I said, I know father's gonna see this. Hell, everybody gonna see this. But- no Fox gonna see this. Hell, everybody gonna see this. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, you know, there was, there was no, there was no consequences behind that, right?

Nah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, there was a consequence about my image. Oh, I mean, other than that, I didn't suffer any monetary damage. But like I said, kept the lake.

If the, if the Lakers had told me, uh, that I was not allowed to come back anymore, I would have just had to suck it up and say. They wouldn't do that to you. They wouldn't do that to you. I mean, listen, that happens, emotions rise, obviously, when it comes to players, when it comes to fans, obviously, with you being a public figure and your passion for the game of basketball and the Lakers as well, they wouldn't do that. Now the situation with the fan and talking to a head coach like that

is completely different. Completely different. And the thing was, Ocho, like the officials, because Zach, no, I forget the official name, and I had seen him at a game before. But like I said, I was just good old trash talking. You know, this and that. And then it just escalated to, you know, bitch and shit. I was like, whoa, hold on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, don't y'all let the big sweater fool you now. Yeah, put them hands on them up. No, no, I didn't want him to get out of hand like that. Right, now. Yeah, yeah. Put them hands on them up. No, no, no, I ain't wanna be getting out a hand like that. Right, right, right, right. Hey, listen. And I'm older, but the problem that I'm most disappointed in, don't you, my job as the adult in that situation

with the lowered temperature in the room. Right. Hey, hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on that, hold on that. Sometimes, sometimes as an adult, you got to raise the temperature because if somebody slap you in the body, they say turn the other cheek. Are you going to turn the other cheek? No, no, no. Ain't nobody slapping nobody.

There we go. There we go. But all the words, but in a situation like that, the words, I could have just like, you know what, bro? Hey, just sit down, enjoy the game, blah, blah, blah. Uh, uh, what, bro? Hey, just sit down, enjoy the game, blah, blah, blah. But the thing was, when people tried to spin it, to my, oh man, he about to fight, he about to crash out by LeBron. LeBron, he had nothing to do with this. LeBron, he had anything to do with this.

Me and Bruce were having a very healthy conversation. We going back and forth. We going back and forth. He said what he said, I'm saying what he said. And then they got a little thought it went to a spot that it didn't need to go and then John came in I'm like oh yeah they say they got nothing to do with you. Yeah yeah wait that's his teammate huh that's his teammate. Yes and then his dad and I boy Lord now see that's what really got me. Of all the things, Ocho, I was focused on them. And if you notice immediately, Ocho,

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We nailed that this is a weekly podcast about all the amazing moments that keep all of us NBA fans coming back for more basically if you love basketball and you like to laugh listen to miles and jack got mad boosties an NBA podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Brought to you by Hypnotic. Will I ever wear the blue sweater again? No, that's retired. It wouldn't do it justice. As a matter of fact, Greg Lorin, I don't know how you say it's what, as a matter of fact, Greg Larene, I don't know how you said it, Greg Lauren, Ralph Lauren, but Greg Larene, but he said he got, he was in London at the time and he said he got so many emails. He got so many calls about your sweater

and like, what about the sweater? That's what, that's the old sweater. We don't make that sweat anymore They did they put it back in production and made some more. Yeah, see see see see the kind of impact you guys You got impact fashion. I didn't want that kind of impact Nobody no listen Everybody remembers the villain Nobody, listen, everybody remembers the villain. Nobody remembers the good person. The villain lives on forever. So sometimes you have to embrace the consequences

that comes in certain situations. It's okay. Next time, I'm gonna be with you court side next time. No, no, I just sit down. I just sit down, hey, I acknowledge blah blah blah But for the most part the folk the opposing team they are I mean all of them they come Being and all those guys Debo DeRosa, yeah when I come to the game, they might how you doing so for the song

Yeah, everybody like it sounded to see me was just I don't look the Grizzlies don't really care for the Lakers Mm-hmm. The Lakers don't care for the Grizzlies don't really care for the Lakers. The Lakers don't care for the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies fans don't care for the Lakers. Laker fans doesn't care for the Grizzlies. Laker fans damn sure don't like the Grizzlies. So I get that. I didn't get it at the time.

I get it now. I totally understand. I got a question. Is the Grizzlies hatred for the Lakers and the Lakers hatred for the Grizzlies, is it almost equivalent to that of the Saints and the Falcons are nowhere close? Yeah. Well, it just recently started. You realize the Falcons and the Saints been in the same division for a long time.

It used to be the NFC West. So the Falcons, the Saints, the Rams, all of them, the 49ers, were all in the same division. So plus the close proximity of New Orleans to Atlanta. So you got a lot of fans driving down to New Orleans, you got a lot of fans driving up from New Orleans to Atlanta. So the hatred is... I'm talking... you talking about Baltimore Pittsburgh? Yeah. Saints Falcon? Yeah. Right there. You're talking about Green Bay Chicago. Yeah. Oh that's bad. That's bad. That's bad.

Listen, I didn't even understand the situation when it came to the Saints and Falcons until hell till I was damn Retired and they go on they go on back and forth on Twitter I'm like listen we can get we can have a kumbaya a kumbaya moment I'm not dope it would be if Saints and Falcons fans got together Sat together the games and enjoy together that it'll happen. Well, you gotta tell me. Oh, yeah, I know now I know now I know now I'm in Atlanta. I'm in the barbershop. Yeah, and it's a if

Yeah, yeah It's good nature, but uh like I said, I was able to go back and I had a conversation and uh I'm cool. I mean as a matter of fact, I've gone back to summer games and saw the The Grizzlies play and I think Josh phenomenal Yeah, I mean to watch him play and to see how he could elevate and contort his body and to do things that he does Yeah, it's just listen. It's second. No, there are very few basketball players. Listen people people buy tickets to go watch the game Josh one of the few players in NBA where you buy tickets and he puts he puts fans in the seats and they strictly come in just to watch him. Yeah.

That's it. Yeah. It was great. Now it's time for... Okay. Wow. Devondre Campbell told the team he's a linebacker, Ocho. Now he was playing, remember Dre Greenlaw

was the starting linebacker. He got hurt. He got hurt. In the Super Bowl. Yeah. He just got activated. Yeah. So I guess what that meant is that Devondre Campbell,

either he didn't start or his playing time was cut. Well, obviously. This is what we're saying. Devondre Campbell told the team he didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of tonight's game. Per Kyle Shanahan.

Trudevius Ward spoke about Campbell leaving the team middle of the game. He's probably going to get cut. Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask you something? Can I tell you something? Yes. Do you understand his frustration though?

No. Do you understand? No. I don't agree with and then I don't agree with it I don't agree with it. Listen, yes as a teammate as a player on a team You got to understand your role you got to understand why you're in the role in the position you're in. Yes hurt Because he got hurt but then I'm thinking about also being able to empathize with him But damn I've been putting all this work all this time I've been playing all this time and all of a sudden he comes back and I got to take a backseat

Well, obviously what you want start start from the get go. So hello, you gotta remember that. But I think I'm seeing him from his perspective, but damn I'm putting all this work, meetings, practice, playing, doing everything I can. All of a sudden he comes back from injury and now I'm on the what? You got to understand your role young bull. You got to understand your role. Come on man. Bro and that's, bro first of all had he not got hurt you wouldn't even been there. You got to realize you got released from the Packers. Yeah. So they threw you a lifeline. He was coming back.

Yeah. Okay. Hey, I'm gonna play, play my role, whatever they need. Hey, I only signed a one-year deal anyway. Right. Hey, my season about to be over in the next four or five weeks. Right. Oh, wait, wait, wait. He on the one-year deal? Yeah. And he had the nerve to walk off, walk off the field? Yeah. Hey, um, you got, listen, you know, hold on. For one, you got to be that boy to pull some shit like that off. You ain't, I'm saying, now you know what I mean.

You got to be, you got to be breadworn or somebody like that. Well, okay, we know you upset, you know, come on back. We'll work things out. Well, if you're in a one year deal, are you acting like that? But no, but no great player would ever do something like that. Exactly. He got too much pride, he understand. Also, no great player would be in that position where they would have ever do something like that. He got too much pride, he understand.

Also no great player would be in that position where they would have to do something like that. Correct. They have to understand. I think there's a situation, Davis, the DB. Remember the DB he quit at halftime in Buffalo? Oh, oh, oh, Vonte, Vonte, yeah. Hey Vonte, hey, I heard the story.

Vonte hit the half and like, man, I can't do this no more, man, I can't do this no more, man. I can't do this no more. Yeah, Vonte, rest in peace, man. Yes, yes. But yeah, I've never, man, these guys do, I've never been a part of something like this. In my 14 year career, I can honestly say

I've never seen someone that refused to go into the game. Yeah. It happened, somebody else just did that not too long ago. Deontay Johnson, he refused to go into the game. Yeah It happened somebody else to see that not too long ago. Do you have a Johnson? You refuse to go to the game? Yeah, sir. Yes, it got suspended. Yeah, and now we have um, what's his last name? Oh a B did it You remember a B did it in the jazz? Yeah, he cleared it. He did it but I Came close you I did You did it. But I came close. You? I did.

What? Wait, let me get comfortable. Tell me the story. Let me sit up. What happened? We play a lot of two tight ends. Yes, sir. And I'm always, I'm always, I'm why in 21 personnel,

two backs, one tight end, two receivers, I'm always why. Yeah. Anytime we go to 12 personnel, I'm always a tiger tight end. So no matter who, if House came in and 12 personnel, I'm going to tiger. If Charkeye Chamberlain came in, I'm going to the fly tight end, which is what we call tiger. So I remember looking inside, I'm standing in the Tiger, I'm going to the Fly tight end, which is what we call Tiger. Right. So I remember looking inside, I'm standing in the huddle,

and I see, I see Chaka Chamberlain coming into the ball game. Yes, sir. So I go, I'm standing in my spot, I'm standing in my spot. I'm moving over, I'm going to the Tiger position in the huddle. He's like, nah, he's like, uh, he like, uh, 84, you, you to why? I'm like, huh? Who told him to do that?

They, they did. They said they sent the play that they said to play it. So they call, uh, two jet, why still, uh, why stick, right? Two jet, Y stick, lookie, which is the tight end, has a two way go. You know, you can break it out. You break it in. The Y, the Tiger, he can come across the guy's face or he can break it out. Right. In other words, the Y, which is what I'm playing now, he went in the dressing. I was hot. I played.

Hold on, this on the, is this on the, yeah, I bet this is on the back of your carito. It is, it is. See, you see how they play you? No, yeah, this is my, what year is this? This was, this was 1999. 1999, I never forget it, don't you? This was 1999. I never forget it, don't ya?

And they, I played a game and I'm seeded it. Right, I know you were hot. Boy, I know you were hot. I told Coob, who was often the coordinator at the time, because he and I got a great relationship. I said, Coob, do they ever pinch head for Barry Barnes? Do they ever pinch head for Ken Griffey Jr.? Come on now. I said if y'all ever send somebody else in to do that bulljowl, it ain't gonna go well. Yeah and listen you already know what they doing.

I tell you all this time people in the chat listen to this real quick. Think about all the great receivers. Think about all the great receivers even from my era right. It's one thing that they always do. They always say at some point a player's losing a step or they're getting slow, but you never ever see the part where the opportunities decrease to make it look like it's something wrong with you.

Or they work you out the offense. They always find a way to work you out the offense and putting you in positions that they never used to before. It'll never really be nothing really wrong with you, but they find a way to work you out and it's always small things like what you just said. If you talk to Julio Jones, you talk to AJ Green, you talk to the Andre Johnson's, the Randy Moss's, even the Jerry Rice's.

At some point it always comes to a time if there's nothing wrong with you, they find ways to decrease your opportunities to make it seem as if there's something wrong with you to justify, well, you know what? Man, you're just not putting up the numbers you're used to. You know, we think you might need to take a pay cut. Yeah. It's so funny how it works.

Yeah, also, a guy that they thought was losing, I go to Baltimore, I lead the team in receiving and help them get to a Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah, that's the way it is. It did come back and I finished second, I finished second behind Rod both year and catches and yards. Had eight touchdowns my final year, over 700 yards. Yeah, and that's the dirty part of the business that people really don't understand or see.

They never see that part. They just hear the media, oh, he's lost a step. Oh, there's something wrong with him. Oh, he's not the same player he used to be. Well, hell, of course, if I'm not getting the same opportunities I used to get when I was putting up with the goddamn numbers. Of course, I would have never not gone into the game because I had built up too much credibility with my teammates.

Right, right, right, right. And they had, they expect me to be the voice of reason. Even, uh, there've been times that I've like got on guys and I know things weren't going their way. I can see it. Hell, everybody can see, but I say for me, I've always felt I needed to remain, have a level of professionalism. Right. Now, pro, P-R-O, and professional are two different things.

Yes, sir. A professional is your job occupation. Right. A pro is how you handle situations. Right. So I wanted to be a professional and a pro because I always wanted to handle things the right way. Right. There's a time and a place because I always wanted to handle things the right way. There was a time and a place

I had the conversation with Cool, hey, bro, me and you go way, I say Cool, me and you go way back, bro. You was my quarterback for two years. You helped me become the player that I became. You was the buffer that when me and Mike wasn't seeing eye to eye with button head, you was the guy that's like, hey boss,

we gotta get the ball to 84. Yeah. Come on now. Yeah. Give me that. Let me have my dignity now. Yeah, give me that grace. You gotta give me that grace.

But you understand. Absolutely. You know what you gotta understand though? Kuvyaq, even in that situation, you know his hands is tired now. Oh yeah, I do. You know that's coming from a higher power now. Mm-hmm. That's the way that it works. Me and Mike used to butt heads. Yeah. You know that's coming from a higher power, man.

Me and Mike used to butt heads. And the thing was is that Mike thought money would motivate me. But when he realized it wasn't money that I was playing for. Come on, man. My situation, and this is why I can empathize with Tom, because the thing that I wanted from Mike was what Tom wanted from Bill. Right. Just the level of appreciation. Yes, sir. For what I've been able to do for you for a very long time.

Money wasn't it. Money wasn't it. Oh, I ain't even get no million dollar signing bonus. Right. And I was cool with that because I know what I was capable of doing. Right. And I just tell him, I said, Mike, you can't find a tight end. There's not a tight end that's currently playing that can do what I do.

I don't care if he's an all pro. First of all, he's not going to be an all pro as long as I'm in the lead. Come on, now. How are you going to do that? I know you listen, I didn't grab a pen and paper because I know you're about to give me some good stuff. I'm just saying, I'm just trying to figure out how you figure there's going to be a tight end. First of all, the Pro Bowl and the AFC goes through me. Come on man. Now they might be some guys, you already know at the start of the year from 93 to 90, from 92 to 99. Yeah. When it came to the Pro Bowl, I sure hope I can get that backup spot. Who? What?

It wasn't the two quarter to AFC. Yeah. And me and Ben had it on lock. Yeah. Now, if you was nice to me and call me, I would pull out and let you go. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I would leave. I would pull out of the pro bowl. Cause you know, somebody goes to my, Oh, what you pulling out of? But I would do that. Yeah. Tell me what, cause it's going to look good on your resume. You got a contract coming up. You know, somebody goes to my, oh, what you pulling out of? But I would do that. Right. Tell me what, cause it's gonna look good on your resume. Yes sir. You got a contract coming up.

Hey, Pro Bowl look good. Yeah, yeah. You trying to get whatever the case may be. Right. But, nah, Ocho, check this out Ocho. Yeah. Campbell signed a one year, $5 million contract. The 49ers gave him 3,350,000 signing bonus with 4.56

of the $5 million guaranteed. You can't do that. You can't do that. You can't allow emotions to get in the way of your job. But one is, for one, it's about being self-aware and understanding the position that you're in. Understanding how you got in a position that you're in. So how you think other teams gonna look at that?

That's what I'm saying. So he gonna retire? Is he about to retire, Ocho? Because this is what Kyle Shanahan said after the game. This ain't no speculation. Because I was wondering. I was wondering. Kyle Rip Campbell after the Niners lost. That's somebody who doesn't want to play the game. Plain and simple.

Because I was looking, because Greenlaw seemed like he got nicked, and he asked out of the game, I said, well damn, where's Campbell? Mm. But it didn't dawn on me. Yeah, during the game, right. It didn't. Because I'm looking for him because I think, okay, Green Law's in, okay, Green Law comes out. I'm thinking, okay, Campbell's back in.

Right. Bro, bro, do you want to retire? But the one thing in pro sports that you cannot do above all else is quit. You cannot be late to quit on Ocho. You know that. Everybody knows that. Do not quit. Yeah that's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst. That is it. Yeah once that label and then then obviously and not only quitting but quitting on the team like the 49ers. So if you're gonna quit on a team like that despite their struggles this season, hey they

gonna look at you funny in the light. So in other words, you front running. So now they go a little adversity. They struggling as a team. You don't get your way. You're not playing and you're going to quit. Well, you know what you wait. Oh, I wish I could talk to him.

Well, you know what you went through to get to this point? Do you know what you went through? Do you know how many people wish they was in your position? To have an opportunity to even be playing in the NFL. Come on, man. Don't forget how you got here. Don't lose sight of that. Don't lose sight of that.

I know he don't see this. Don't lose sight of that. I hope he took care of his money. I mean, ugh. Hey. But that's tough. Oh, Joe. And that's what I tell guys. That's tough. Listen, if you do the right thing, you can steal another, you can steal a year or two. Yeah. You can steal a year or two, old Joe. Yeah. Yeah.

Don't mess that up, bro. Cause at the end of the day, all you got is your name, Ocho. Now I promise you, this guy's been to Pro Bowls, he's been to All Pro. Now this is going to follow him. Yeah. Ocho, in Mark Anthony's oration about Julius Caesar, he say the good that the good get buried is the bad that gets left behind. That's what people remember. Hold on, bring that to me.

When Mark Anthony was giving his oration about Julius Caesar, he said, Friends, Roman countrymen, lend me your ear. He said, I come to praise it. Yes, sir. And I bury him. But he said, no. He said the good goes in the ground with you. Yes, sir. It's the bad. This going to follow this man.

Yeah, it definitely is. It definitely is. I just don't, I don't grow. It's when you allow your emotions, emotions, you allow emotions and pride and ego to get in the way. Ocho. Yes, sir. When emotions are high, what is logic?

Low. Very low. Extremely, extremely. I think, you know what's gonna happen is, is he gonna get an opportunity to allow those emotions to come down, allow that anger to come down, and reflect on all the things I've been through

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What are we doing this? But you had a money going come. You're going to make money. Yeah. But in the process, I don't care how much man losing gets. Oh, I've done both and I'd rather win. They lose. Yes, sir. Give me making money because you make money who doesn't make money right but that losing Well, you got it. You're like, what the hell am I doing this for? Right. I don't got up and denied myself and been away from my family lift all these heavy weights

They're all eat all this food doing all the the right things, cold tub stretching, Pilates, yoga. Well, what? Yeah. Hey, listen, think about all that. Think about all that you just said, right? And I played 11, 12 years. How many winter seasons you think I had in that 12 year span? Well, unfortunately, you played for the Bengals, so. You ain't had the... Hey, there was two. It was two, too. It was two. But, I never ever... Listen, I know it's funny, but I never ever allowed the winning situation to fault an effect. Determine your play.

Oh, no, um. Oh, no, um. We was horrible. But I guarantee you, if you pay $80 for a ticket you finna get $80 worth of entertainment Whether we playing home away. I don't care what our record is. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm showing that show at as you should Because lose it everyone they don't they don't pay you based on whether you want to lose Oh, no, you get a salary regardless. Yeah. So that man give me an honor day salary, I'm going to give his ass an honor day. And he going to get it every time.

Because not only am I not only not only my plan for that organization, not only that, I'm playing for that name on the back of that jersey. Yeah. I ain't finna embarrass myself and everybody else I represent outside of that uniform. It ain't happening. Ain't happening. Hey, you absolutely right. And there's something to be said

that when you play for an organization, but look at your name. Look, you only had two winning seasons, but you're royalty in Cincinnati. Because of the way you conducted yourself, the way you played the game. Yeah. You go back, I can go back to Denver.

Now I don't get a chance to go back. I can go back to Baltimore. I don't get a chance to go back. I can go back to Baltimore. I don't get a chance to go back. But, uh, hell, I'm working. So, you know, man, you need to go. Y'all do realize I got to work, right? Yeah. Now, if it's a special event, you know, special occasion and stuff, I'll, I'll, I'll definitely try to get back.

Like, uh, one of, one of my teammates or something that, uh, that I played with, got an opportunity to go into the pro football, excuse me, got the Hall of Fame ring or something like that. I always try to get back, but it's just hard now because just like my focus was on football at the time that I played, my focus now is on night camp. I got to make sure that I'm prepared and to do the thing and it's just hard I mean, I remember going back and and trying to Watch the game and I really was no fun because I'm up in all I missed the bowling box And I ain't watching the game on the field hell

I'm watching all the other games cuz I got to talk about them right tomorrow on undisputed Mm-hmm, so I've got to do by due diligence because it's not fair right? It's not fair to skip It's not fair to ff1 that I bring my ass on the show and I'm over there. Just just. Pre-lancing, right, because I haven't watched the game now. No, that's not what he paid me for. So in that situation, but hopefully the bond, Campbell.

Who figured this out? But that's not a good that's that's not a good look. Yeah, Devon Dre. Devon Dre. Campbell is his name. Um, if being, uh, Kyle Shanahan said this, what he told reporters after the game, Devondre Campbell told the team when other words he told Kyle, he didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of tonight's game per head coach, Kyle Shanahan, Traverius Ward said he spoke

to Devondre Campbell, leaving the team in the middle of the game. He probably is going to get cut. You probably, you're probably Kyle Ripp Campbell after the Niners loss said that's somebody who doesn't want to play the game. It's plain and simple. Damn. doesn't want to play the game is plain and simple. Damn. Kittle was not happy either.

If you're on the roster, you suit up, you expect to play. I think anyone in this building that has asked to go in and go win would say 100% of everybody will die getting off their field, football field, excuse me. Things go on in the football field and his decision wasn't for this organization, not even the team, and that's on him. And I'm not happy about it. I hope I'm never around anyone who does that again.

The one thing, if you, listen, if you're a professional at that, look, Ocho, I hadn't had a whole lot of jobs. Now I've had a whole lot of, I had some jobs that I wanted to quit. Right. Working in the biker field, clipping onions, picking up PKS, right.

Mold watermelon belly. Right. Hell, I wanted to quit those jobs. Yeah. You don't think I wanted to quit? Yeah. Well, Mary Porter wasn't finna have that. No, sir.

Right. You cannot quit as a professional athlete. That is the worst thing of, Ocho, I'm trying to think. Can you think of something worse that you could do as a teammate to your team that's counting? Because I'm counting everybody, I'm counting on everybody. Ocho, I put my playing career, I'm putting everything in your hands. I'm asking you to do the same thing.

Yes, sir. And then, man, what, man, what, O sir. And then man what, man what Ocho? Man Ocho man Ocho say he done. Shit me? Nah don't even use, don't use me as no example use somebody else name. Nah I'm a, hey where he at? Man he walking out the field now I gotta come down. Ocho and Sharpen is boiling on the sideline. I don't know what happened. Man, get your ass back in here. Hey, listen, the first thing that would jog through my mind, if I even thought about quitting, is the obstacles and the hurdles

that I had to go through to even get to this point. I went through hell to even make it to the league. And you think the fact that I finally made it. Think about that feeling when that name would cross that ticker or when you got that phone call from your organization. Think about that feeling you had with the tears flowing in your family, everybody crying and celebrating, and you finally make it. And you reach the childhood dream, the pinnacle of it. I want to always be an NFL player. I finally make it because of a situation.

I'm gonna walk away from it because I can't play, because I'm not starved no more, because they want me to come off the bench. Hell no. All the work I done put in, everything it took for me to get to this point. You think I'm finna quit? Man, nigga, please. Oh, mother, I mean child, please. Oh, oh Joe. Everything it took for me to get to this point? You think I'm finna quit? Man, nigga, please. Oh, Mother, I mean child, please.

Oh, Ocho, think about how many times from when you started to where you ended up, things didn't go your way and you didn't quit. No, definitely didn't. Now you at that point, you like, man, F this. Mm-mm. Mm-hmm Oh Well, yeah, I don't know. Now it's time for money moves presented by draft Kings the Carolina Panthers Yeah

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the past three weeks, wait, maybe four weeks in the team that they played, it's come down to the goddamn nail in the coffin. Damn near to the end. Bryce Young, I don't know what you been eating for breakfast, I don't know what you been eating for lunch, I don't know what you been eating for dinner, but boy you playing some hell of a football.

Now you look like the Bryce Young we're used to seeing from Alabama. Now you look like the Bryce Young that they picked number one. You playing good football, great football, and the reason why they're scoring the point that they're just scoring, everything starts at the quarterback position. Yep. Everything starts at a quarterback position and you're doing everything right that you should be doing to give your team the best chance to win, which is why

you guys are the favorite because of your play. Yeah. I mean, wow. Two years. Yeah. Long time coming. And you're the favorite. Long time coming.

Long time. And you know what the funny thing about it is? What's that? This is the good thing. This might be the start of some special, but not just the Panthers fans, but the Panthers organization, but for the team in general. Because all you got to do now, based on what you have going on, even though you're losing the games, you're competing, huh?

You're competing. Yes. People are barely beating you. So you're going to stack it, stack them one at a time. One at a time. Take this momentum that you're finishing the season with, carry that bitch on in the next year. You're going to have off season acquisitions.

You're going to have a draft, and that team is going to continue to get better. You're going to get pieces in there. And before you know it, everything's going to change. Before you know it. And it all starts with a quarterback and the quarterback is playing the way he should be playing, which is a good thing for the Panthers in that organization. Hey, Leggett, don't you come out of this game talking about my bad. Hey, I know my dog, my dog, I know my dog been on that jug machine.

Heavy though. You done talked about you done had a coon for Thanksgiving. So you should be straight. Coon and baked potatoes. You'd have probably had, you know, had him cut up in some bell peppers. Yeah. Onion. Probably had a nice little sweet potato. You just have a sweet potato, Ocho.

You don't know nothing about that. But anyway, and see, you know, back in the day, we had a fireplace too, Ocho. Yeah. So we take sweet potatoes and put them right down there in the front of the fireplace with a hot coat putting coals on them. Yes, sir.

Whoop, there it is. I know about sweet potato. I know about sweet potato fries. Yeah, but you cook them in the stove. We cook them out of the fireplace putting them hot coals on them. Yeah. Uh-huh. OK. OK. OK. OK. We cook down to the fine place put them hot coals on them. Yeah Uh-huh. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. What's the butter that they would it's there? I mean it still tastes the same though

Uh X come Like legit leg it he's coming on night capo Joe when? tonight Tonight not tonight in the future. Oh man. This next week, when they beat the Cowboys on Sunday. Ah there we go. Matter of fact, you know what? I can see it right now. I'm not saying I'm Cleo. He gonna score twice. I damn sure also. He gonna score, listen, he gonna score twice? So this Sunday, he comin' on this Sunday. After they beat the Cowboys? Yep, he gon' score twice, watch.

I bet you. Guarantee you. Yeah. But I'm happy for Bryce Young. Most definitely. They're playing much better offensively defense. They get out there defensively. They were very close to ball game,

very close to beating Kansas City, very close to beating Philly. And early in the year, those were games they would have lost by 30. Blowouts, it would have been blowouts. They'd have lost those games by 30. This is something they can build on. You know what I'm happy for?

I'm happy for Coach Kanellis. I'm happy for him because the way they were playing, he was going to get fired. If you look at David Tepper's track record and his impatience when it comes to coaching and thinking that he can continue to bring people in and there's never any continuity as far as the head coach being able to gel with his team and giving coaches a chance to win and build a team and build a winning team. I'm glad they turned things around for the head coach because now that person's off his back. Look, Dave Temper, look what I'm doing now. You see, we on the right track.

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