Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Rams KNOCK OFF Bears to ADVANCE to NFC Championship + Broncos Jaquan McMillian JOINS Nightcap + Patriots ADVANCE to 1st AFC Championship since 2018

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams go on the road in freezing conditions and beat Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears in overtime, Denver Broncos defensive back Ja’Quan McMillian joins the show to talk about the Broncos big win over the Buffalo Bills, and the New England Patriots beat the Houston Texans to advance to the AFC Championship game and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 05:38 - Rams beat Bears in OT24:49 - Ja’Quan McMillian joins the show44:02 - Pats beat Texans (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is a paid advertisement. Wow, what a game. We had two overtime games, Ocho, one yesterday, one today. And we had two duds, one yesterday, one today. So hopefully we can combine it. We get two very exciting games. Guys, thank you for joining us. The Rams were bailing overtime.

They get the ball first and overtime because the Bears deferred. They wanted to see what the Rams would do. The Rams didn't do anything. They punt it. Caleb Williams is driving. He throws an interception and then Matthew Stafford takes over in the running game

and they drive down the field walking off. I need some water. They walk it off and win by the score of 20 to 17 and overtime. Very similar to what the Broncos did yesterday. Oh, Joe, they deferred, wanted to see what the Broncos would do.

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The show will be Thursday night, February and 5th, at the Earps Theater in San Francisco. We're looking for all Bay Area to come out and support. Gonna have some of your favorite people there. We've got Broncos cornerback. Dequine McMillan, joining us a little later. He had the play of the defensive play of the game with that completion. He had a completion, a completion interception. That's what it was.

A completion interception, Ocho. Yeah. He was the only one that caught the football, survived the contact, and came up with the ball. But first, this game, Rams beat the Bears, 2017, and overtime. Matthew Stafford, 242, 258, no touchdown, no interceptions. He was set four times. Kyron Williams ran the ball extremely hard.

21 carries 87 yards, two touchdowns. 31 rush attempts, 111 yards, two touchdowns. Kobe Parkinson was the lead. Well, he caught three for 56. Fuka had five for 56. Jordan Winnington have two for 35. Devonty had a big catch on that last drive. Yeah, that was nice.

He got him in field go range. Yeah. C. Dub, Caleb, with another unbelievable throw, Ocho. I don't know. I don't know how. Yes. Again, that's two, that's two, that's two weeks in a row. Two things can be true, Ocho.

Yes, sir. Yes. The ball was misplayed. But to say that wasn't a hell of a throw is you're just being disingenuous. I mean, you are. To keep retreating with four guys in his face and throw off his back foot. And in most of the. And putting on the money.

Yeah. And most of the time, I'll say most of the time as a quarterback, once you're retreating backwards and you have pressure coming at you, that obviously the ball tends to fall. actually short and it's an interception. Yes. Most of the time, because you are retreating, you have pressure in your face, you're not able to get the kind of strength

you want to on the ball, but listen, Caleb Williams is up there when it comes to having an arm talent and arm strength. I'm not calling him Aaron Rogers. I'm not saying he's Brett Farrow. I'm not saying he's Matthew Stafford, but in conditions like the night, he can still make all the throws they can. Yeah, but

I think his ability to throw on the move is kind of what separates him. Because if I, if you really just watch him yeah he's more accurate on the move than he is in the pocket pocket yeah I mean he can roll and the thing is oh Joe if you notice a lot of his throws he's rolling to his left who is almost like you always try to force a guy to his non-dominant hand yeah which is a right-handed quarterback you force him left a left hand to quarterback you force it right yeah but if you if you look

at his best throws he is rolling left yeah mm-hmm he feels very comfortable you putting him in that situation and by design it's hard for you to imagine. Maybe he's right-handed. Let's push him right. I mean, let's push him left. You push him kind of where he want to be. He made some throws tonight.

He turned the ball over three interceptions. Chat. Look at the story. How many turn off for Buffalo? They lost. How many turnovers for the 49ers? They lost. How many turnovers for the Texans?

They lost. How many turnovers for the bears? They lost. Yeah. You see a real current theme? It's the common denominator, uncle. You say it all the time, especially when it comes to playoff

football were points at a premium. Every series that you have the ball, it matters. In games like this, when it's so close, the margin of error is so small, when you turn it over three times, it's hard to overcome

that. Even though the Bears had opportunity on that last drive, I'm not sure with it. I don't know if it was a miscommunication between Caleb Williams and DJ Moore. And, I mean, I don't know what happened on that intercept. You got to keep running. You can't stop. Even though if you can't catch it, you might be able to knock it down.

That situation right there, Ocho. They've already had a possession. You not have a possession. Yes. If you turn this ball over, next possession wins. I mean, next going to win. Basically. And that's why you've got to keep running because he's thwarted with the anticipation

that you will continue to run. And if you don't catch it, you just make sure he doesn't catch it. Just give me another chance, Ocho. Just give me another chance. If I'm not mistaken, I think that was second down. Was that second down or third down? I think it was second down. So at least give me another chance.

And if it was third down, allow me to put the ball and pin them. Yeah. And that's, I mean, I mean, those in those conditions, guys were catching the ball extremely well. Oh, Joe.

Yeah. Those DPs? Yeah, they were. They were. Listen, the DBs were catching the ball better than the goddamn receivers. Because there were a lot, there were a lot of drops.

There were a lot of drops. They could have kept some drives going. I think, but I'm not mistaken. I think Rome had some. Romad do one. Yeah. Loveland, you know, he had some balls that were catchable. You know, they were right there.

But obviously, even with the conditions, you got to focus a little bit more, you know, practice bringing the ball in. And listen, I'm used to playing in conditions like this all the time, especially once you get to November and December, you know, everything has to change. Your mechanics, you being able to focus on the ball a little bit more, bringing it in, making sure you got it. it. And, hey, that ball, hey, that ball heavy. That ball hard. Man, it's hard and heavy, boy. I would just, I'm just getting ready to say that. And the fact, hey, Stafford and Goddamn Caleb throwing it like it's nothing. That's why you kind of got, you want guys with armed talent like that, don't you know,

that can cut through the elements. Yes. Because you know in Chicago, it's going to be windy. And you're also outside in Green Bay. Mm-hmm. So if your home game is in the Midwest, so you play Kansas City, So let's just say your home, you're Kansas City, you're Chicago, your Green Bay, or you're gonna be in the Northeast where you're New England

or you're the Jazz, you're the Giants, you gotta have a guy that can cut through the wind. Oh yeah, you got to. Because it's gonna get windy, it's gonna get cold, you're gonna probably have to play sometime in Clement weather, be it rains, snow, sleep, wind. I don't know why this happened. It always happened like this soon as I start to come on there

and now, I can't stop coughing. I bet, but you sure everything good over there? You coming down with something? Not everything is good. You see, I can't stop coughing. But I'm looking at the Rams defense, Ocho. Why y'all keep crashing and letting the man get the edge? Outside, yeah, yeah, every time.

Damn! Every time. Y'all crashing down hard. He's a mobile quarterback. You can't do that. Yeah. You got to stay just me. Oh

There you go Oh yeah Joy to miss That light so I knew something was going on I was like damn I spelled lysos Maybe We got we got some lights off There you go

Yeah let me get let me get that Hey because I hear you are listen Well ain't no reason to be coughing like that What? Chat how are you all doing tonight? Y'all good? Hope you all having a good Have you all having a good weekend

y'all shouldn't have to work tomorrow if you have to work tomorrow you need to think about changing you know um jobs outside of that we're going we're going to have a good time tonight when going to go into the holiday tomorrow celebrating you know exactly what it is it's that goddamn yeah but i thought uh-huh i thought the rams defense allowed him to get to the edge entirely too much too much you have to understand you have to you have to you have to continue There you go. There you go. See, this is what I'm talking about. Hey, I'm just making sure I want nothing you got coming over, come across this place. You're the eater? Hey, if I'm the eater, you don't see me coughing ever. Oh yeah. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. You remember. When? Man, I had to call hazmat up in and clean every, sanitize everything. But they get the win. Look, I thought this win was probably very satisfied for Sean Nick Bay considering

how Ben Johnson ran on the field against Green Bay and shook and shook Matt LaFleur's hand. Yes. Matt LaFleur and Matt and Matt are best friends. He didn't take too kindly to that. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he didn't take too kind of for that.

No, you know what? If you're a Bears fan up, you have no reason to let your head down. You have no reason to be sad. obviously said because you want to be in the NFC championship game obviously you want a chance of going to to compete from Lombardi but your future is very bright because the absolutely that goddamn Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams as long as they're there you're going to be in contingent every single year and now the EFC that division in general looks different now because of your quarterback and your head coach and it's going to be like that for a very

very long time well if Minnesota wants to don't if Minnesota doesn't want to get left behind, they better get a quarterback. Hey, they left behind already. They are left behind already because who are you going to find that's going to be the type of talent or equal to that of goddamn Caleb Williams or Jordan Love? Hey, find the Jerry Golf. Where you have, say, I'm darner. You let it walk out to the door.

And you let him walk out to know because you thought your number eight pick was the answer. And you found out quick. Not only is he not the answer, but it's hard to keep his ass on the goddamn feel too. Yes. Yes. I totally agree with everything you just said. But when you the Rams have to feel very good. Look, we got an epic game. We got an epic matchup one Thursday night, Ocho. It was an unbelievable game. If we get anything close to that, I'll take it. As a matter of fact, I'll take a second helping of that because that was a phenomenal game. Let's see if the Rams are fixed their special teams because remember, Rashid, Shaheed.

got it started. Yeah. Again, I mean, I've never seen a game, a game winning play. Mm-hmm. The first minute of the game. Yeah. But when Rashid, he took that play, that kickoff back, that game was over. Yeah.

Take the win right up out of your sale. It was over. Yeah. It was over. But this was a good, this was a good game. This is what the game is supposed to be. Two very evenly matched teams, Matthew Stafford, two gunslingers, two number one overall picks, going head,

to head. Caleb look good. I agree with you, Ocho. I think with the talent that they surrounded him with, the offensive line help that they got. Now, if I'm them, I'll probably go get me a, I need a pass rush. I need another pass rush outside sweat.

I need somebody that can consistently generate pressure. But you look at them offensive, they got leveling, they got more, they got a duncee, they got commit, they got Burton the third, they got Zakias. They're loaded, man. I like the running game with Dianre Smith and what is, Montaguay?

Monongi, Monongi, Monongi, Monongi. Monongi. Yeah, him. Hey, he'd be running people over, he'll be on top of him. He don't play. He don't go, he don't go. I'm not what day.

Yeah, he don't play. He's gonna let you know. He's gonna let you know he there. I don't care how small he may look, you know. Yes. I don't care how small he looked. I said, oh, okay, he's running behind his pad, you know, when you was,

hey, son, run behind his head. your pads. He definitely run behind his pass. But I thought Swift ran the ball really hard tonight.

Yes. But they turned up when they turned the ball over on downs inside, you know, Ziocho, pass gave up those points.

Yeah. Now, that game when it touched down, you're in the lead. Yep. Analytics is ruining the game. Instead of coaches

having the field for the game, they're allowing analytics and data. Right. You're getting away the games. And now you lead points on the field, the points on the field going for it on fourth down.

I mean, they were more successfully against Green Bay. But they do it all the time, though, Ocho, we used to like, okay, it's fourth and one. We kind of like at midfield or on the other side of midfield. Okay, we go for it once. I mean, we might go, we might have on fourth down, especially if we're losing, okay, we get you going for it. Right.

But, man, that go, Ocho, the Bears went for it six times. You might have in a situation where you're not losing. You might have maybe five in a season. Now these teams have like 10, 15, 20 fourth down going for it. And you got to understand why they're going for it too. You understand the probable cause if you do make them, the chances if you do make them, the chances you win in the game increase that much.

So I kind of understand it. I understand the analytics and the data behind it. and the percentage, how high the percentage is, if you happen to make those four downs, it give you a better chance of winning those games. But when you don't make it, that's the problem. Now you put your goddamn defense in harm's way and hoping they can stop these teams that you're playing against,

especially if you give them good feel, especially if you give them a short feel. That makes it even worse. Especially you play in a team like the Rams. Ocho, I'm confused. I need you to help me out on this one. Because we had a very similar play to what happened last night in the Denver game.

With Devante. Yeah. Same way, but they gave him the catch. They did. They gave him the catch. I mean, obviously, his knee was down. Well, hell, when Brandon Cooks had the ball in his hands, his knee was also down as well. I guess this.

I mean, it's confusing. There's no consistency when it comes to calling those, I call him bang, bang plays. Yes. The receiver's catching the ball, and the DBs right there, and they're both handsy. And whoever comes up with the ball, that's what it belongs to. But Devante, let the ball go. So I'm assuming that should have been, what, maybe a fumble based on our logic. Fumble or incomplete or something?

Incomplete, based on our logic and reasoning from last night. Well, it couldn't have been incomplete because the guy caught the ball. So it's either a fumble or interception. Yeah, one or the other. Yeah. But I was surprised. I was surprised because I'm looking up like, and they did like first down. I'm like, really?

Yeah. Because that's like a very similar play. Matthew Stafford gets an opportunity, goes back to the N. championship game. You know, last time he was in the NFC championship game, well, that was against the the Eagles.

That's where they lost, they lost last year to the Eagles in the snow game. And he played really, really well. Yeah. I thought, look, for a guy that's played in a dome his entire career, he played at the University. Oh, he grew up in Texas, Highland Park. He went to Georgia.

He was in a dome. he's in another dome in Southern California. He played really well. Yeah. I mean, listen. He played really well against, you said it. You said, hey, you know last year? Last year.

What, last year against Philly? He was dealing, boy. He was throwing. And he came, he came one back shoulder pass away from beating the goddamn Eagles. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when you have that kind of armed talent, it really doesn't matter the conditions that you do play.

And you just hope those that you throw on the ball to can make those catches. I get the ball to you. I get the ball to you. I'll definitely make it happen. But the Los Angeles Rams move on. They played their division nemesis, the Seattle Seahawks, 20 to 17.

They're very familiar. This will be the third time that they played. There's no love lost between these two teams. Seattle, physical, both sides. They want to run the football. Yes. With a walk in a third. Charbonneau.

Yeah, and Charbonneau good? And Charbonneau good because he left the game. He was Nick. Yeah, he got Nick, didn't it? Yeah, yeah. Because they got, they got him to be somebody up from the practice squad. If I think I read that, Ocho.

Right. But look, the way Kenneth Walker running, he's good. We just keep running him. And you know those wives, the JSCN. Now. Cooper Cup. Cup. Yeah, he makes a big catchers yesterday on third down. Now you're just hoping that Sam Darnel

doesn't revert back because he has a propensity. to put the ball in harm's way. Yeah, yeah. You got a great chance to winning if you don't put the ball in harm's way. You turn the ball over. You're not going to represent the NFC

and the Super Bowl. No. So I'm just letting you guys know, just hope Sam Darno does do what he's been doing, which is not turned the football over. I don't think he turned it over that last regular season, that last regular season game against the 49ers.

They got 49ers again. He didn't turn it over. He needs to, he needs to, to repeat that song. Just play that, just replay. Just put that on replay. Repeat and keep playing it over and over.

Because if you take care of the ball, there's an excellent chance that you're going to go to the end of the Super Bowl. According to NBC sign line reporter, Melissa Stark, Rams player who put in cayenne pepper in their socks to stay warm against the bears. Hold on.

Coyan pepper. What the hell of Cyan Pepper going to do in those kind of conditions? As far as keeping you warm. It's still pepper. It heats up. Boy, Unk, that's the new one now, boy. I ain't never heard of that one.

Well, when you put an, uh, what, what did you, uh, icy hot, Ben Gay. Remember they used to put that in people's job? And when you start sweating, what it do? Oh, you heat, okay. Yeah, I ain't never used that before. The only thing I had, Unk,

what do you call the warmas they give you? And you braced. The hand warm, yeah. I ain't have those either, yeah. Yeah, that's the only thing I know about. And I used to take the hand warmas once it got cold, Unk. I take one, break it up, let it get warm, and I put it on the inside of my glove.

Yeah. I put one on the... I could, I have my... I mean, if they called timeout, or I went to the sideline, I would have them, but I didn't have no pouch. I need none of that.

No. Yeah, you know, pouch? Mm-mm. Oh, but look at you. Okay. No, no pouch. The last time the Rams won the Super Bowl, Cooper Cup was the MVP.

Next week, the Rams will try to get back to the Super Bowl with Cooper Cup now on the opposite side line as a member of the Seahawks. Look, he knows this offense. He knows that when they're getting certain formations and you hear certain calls,

he can call it out because he's that kind of smart, he's got kind of player. Right. How much they rely on that, the film study normally tells you. Maybe he can give them some intricacies or like when you hear certain calls on children. This is what that means

because it was always interesting when we play a West Coast team to hear they try to disguise it with both. Bro, I know what Lucy is and I know what Sluggo is, and I know what all that. I know this, and I know smoke, square out, comeback. I know we knew all that. And we know we y'all was trying to give us those bogey-dubby calls too.

So get that mess out here. Ocho, yeah. We're going to talk about the Texas Patriots game in a bit, but first it's time to welcome Broncos cornerback, Jaquan McMillan. Jay Mack, walk us through that play because I know your heart was beating fast. You let Brandon Cook kind of get behind.

You're like, oh, my goodness. We had the ball first. If he catches this ball, they're at the 20-yard line. They're in field goal range, considering Matt Prater kicked for almost a decade in Denver, and he had just made a 50-yard field goal to send it to overtime. So you're like, okay, walk her through that play, what's going through your mind? Because you look up and you see the ball. Take it from there.

Yeah, man. Who was actually in zero? We're in zero coverage. Yep. And I see Josh Adelight hand and kind of bring to it like a 20 look, which they'll a protection look. And I'm just thinking of my head like, oh, man, like, okay. You know, they've got to pick up the blitz.

So I kind of back up a little bit. It was like 30 and 10. It was like 30 and 10. So I'm right at the sticks. I'm playing at the sticks. I know I got two droppers at the hook, but, you know, they ain't really going to help you know what I'm saying right so I'm playing sticks he he's running and uh he kept going so I just kind of gave him a little jab and running that's how he had me by like a yard or two

you kind of he kind of under through it and you know I'm just running running and uh I try not to panic and I didn't panic and I seen his eyes getting big and I'm like okay the ball is in the air so once he starts going down okay I'm like now I'm like okay the ball is underthrown so now I'm just playing through his hands I'm just waiting on the ball to drop so I'm like really having my hands you know through his hands and uh once he he had it at first coming down and then once I got my hand on the ball I'm falling with him and once we feel together he he lost control and I just ganged out his hands and I mean you like you say okay I'm playing through his hands and that Ocho and I was

talking about this a receiver sometimes they give it away right give a tail away yeah a receiver with late hands is very difficult for you because he'll wait till the last second and pluck it. Right. Some guys can keep the eyes, it's like, no, I'm like, damn, when is the ball coming? And next thing you know it's in his arm.

A lot of guys can't control their eyes. It's just like, oh my goodness. And the eyes get bigger, and you're like, okay, the ball's in the air. Like you said, the ball's in the air. So now you're playing through his hands. You're like, okay, I got the ball, he got the ball. But the problem is he falls,

you fall on top of him and pull it. Yeah. Did you know, did you think like, what are they gonna call? Are they gonna give me the interception? Are they going to say he's down by contact? Are they going to say incomplete? What is your thought process?

What's going through your head? Play every scenario, what you're thinking? Yeah, man. Once I came up, once I had the ball in my hand, I kind of rolled on top of him. I get up and I'm holding the ball in the air. And you can see in a video, I'm looking at the back judge, like, okay, what you're gonna call?

Once I sit doing this and point the other direction, I'm all right. I'm heading to the end zone. I'm about to celebrate. So once I see him do that, it was over with. The funny thing about it too is there's been so much controversy about that play a lot of people saying that obviously the bills got hold because the play call was wrong but obviously what happens is is there was a smooth transition from him catching and you coming up with

the ball to where the call was made the right way yeah the call was made the right way in order to have a completed catch the person has to come down with the ball secure the ball and be able to get up with said ball and that was you who got it with the ball so I'm not sure how the people don't understand the rules. And one of the things that that kind of gets everybody upset is because tonight we had something very similar with Devante Adams and there's no consistency with plays that are like that. So I think that's where the confusion comes in that.

It's just the refs, they have to find some of the competition committee, whoever it is. They need to find a way to have the calls always remain consistent based on the rules that those that have already played the game know and were able to call right away when you got the interception. Did you know Jay Mack did you under did you know the rules that if a receiver catches the football goes to the ground He must survive the contact from the ground and to possess the football because you survived the you you he can he caught it You took it survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball That's the way Carl Chaffer's that's where all the other fit the referees that have been going on shows explained it It's like yes there was a transition

that on the way down that the DB took the ball. He survived the contact from the ground and got up with the ball. So what we have is an interception. It can be it can't beat anything but an interception. What did what did, uh, Vijay? What did what did Vance tell you? Because I know he was like, oh my goodness, we just went bomb blitz. We just blew it up.

They max protect because like you said, they went 20 protection. They brought two extra guys in. So now whatever you come with, they can pick it up. They got seven protection. They got enough to hold it off because, you know, hey, you go here, you go here. They always go in bombs, in the bomb situation, they always go send one player deep, at least one.

You and you're like, hold on, wait a minute. Damn, they can pick this up. Oh, Lord have mercy. Jesus. I'm like by myself, and this guy can still run. He might not run four three like he did coming out, but he can still go on the hole. He was running.

He was running, but Vijay came to me. He was just, man. He was just excited, man. He was like, hey, man, you made a play, which you always do, man. I always, you know, come up. And the clutch time, I made the play, man. It was just, it was just crazy, man. But, Matt, it's, people don't understand.

It's a whole different animal playing the slot as opposed to because the slot, he can go across the field. A lot more space. He can start in and come back out. He can start out, come back in. He can go up the scene. He can go far across. He can go sail.

He can go stop. He can do so many things. Yeah. And like you're playing like you're based on formation, down and distance of where he is on the field. So you've studied the game like, okay, in this formation, this down and distance, this area of the field, he likes to run this.

And so you kind of play, but you can't get too aggressive because if he optioned away from you. Yeah. Ah. You got a position. Oh yeah, like like I said, we had two hook droppers.

You can see in a video, you see Nick Benito, he dropped. So I'm like, okay, even though we're in zero, I can line up, like, head up to outside. Right. Okay. In the slide, you always, you got to pick a leverage because you get two-way go. You got to make sure you know, okay, he can't come this way. And if he go this way, okay, I'm already caught.

I'm already open to run. So that's what I would. I was head up to outside. Yeah. If they do anything quick, I knew I had my help defender, low help defend on the hook. So he kept running. And, you know, I just played outside leverage and gave him a jab. And I just ran with him, just ran.

Like I said, he just played through his hands, man. But he was rolling, man. He was rolling. He was a little bit on throw. He slowed down a little bit. That kind of helped me. But he just made a play. But he showed you the ball also.

Ocho and I was talking about it last night. If he let that ball kind of like with Marvin Mims, Marvin let the ball go over. So now you've got to run through him. He opened up and allowed you. He kind of jumped in the air. He kind of jumped in the air. So it came like, it helped me.

Yes. Because, oh, Joe, remember we talked about a lot of times when guys jump up in the air, that's how guys punch it out because you got no leverage. You're not grounded. Yeah. That's why it's so easy to get the ball out when the guy's up in the air. You see guys try to go up over a running back or a wide receiver try to go up. It's easier because they don't have no stability. They're not on the ground.

Yeah. And you said when he jumps up, okay, now he ain't as strong as he would be if he was on the ground. He was on the ground. Yep. And plus he got to, I know one thing. If you play basketball, I know the guy. he's got to bring the ball up. So he got to bring it to me.

Well, he got to bring it down because he's going to try to get it to his body. That's exactly what I did. You bring it to your body? Yeah. I'm going to shoot through and I'm going to get it. Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Once he came down with that mug,

I'm already in his pocket. You in between, yes. Yeah, I'm already in the pocket. So he brought the football to me. And I just fell with him and ripped that thing out. Go ahead, Ocho. Now, in those pressure situations like that, especially understanding it's cover zero, you on an island all by yourself.

Most of the time, the ball got to come out short, but you got your hook. You got the hook. You got to help you out, right? Most of the ball, the ball got to come out fast. Even though he had that step on you and you got to play catch up, how do you stop yourself from panicking in situations like that where you know you beat? Because that's the hardest thing for DBs is when you know you got to catch up, you lose all technique and all you're doing is just running and just going.

How were you able to keep yourself in a relaxed mind state to make that play you did make? Just reading them, the receiver. Just reading him. Once he slowed down, I knew the ball was short. So I had to adjust to that. And you can see in the video, I kind of like, once he slowed down, I see them jumping.

I kind of turned my head a little bit. Yeah. And got my hand up in there. but man um it's just it's practice it just take practice you know uh the receiver and uh that that's what that's how you stay calm just yeah in the moments yeah it's one it's one thing to say it right it's one thing to say it but you know i'm talking about in practice in practice is easy to stay calm but in the game time you know shoot man shit well you see it all the time boy every every sunday we always we always we always talk we always talk we always talk we always talk

to like force the receiver to make the catch. You know what I'm saying? Fight them all the way to the ground. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I did. Just fight them all the way to the ground. And, you know, the ball just so happened to be in my hand,

but I was going to get the ball out regardless. That's what I'm saying. I was going to get the ball out regardless. And Jay Mack, but here's the difference between practice in the game because in practice is quiet. And you hear them say, ball, ball, ball, ball, you start looking. Yeah. You can't hear ish in the game.

Yeah. They can be screaming, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball. You ain't even hear you. You don't hear nothing. You know, I hear. They buy it who a BG is, because you don't hear a feed. Yeah.

But it's just reading there, like I said, he's just reading the receiver, man. He's going to tell you when the ball is right there. And he jumped up in the air. He gave me all the signs that the ball was right there. So yeah. Yeah.

Did you watch any of today's game between the Patriots and the Texans? Yeah. Yeah. What do you what do you what do you what do you see what do you what do you what do you got to come there obviously we about everybody knows bow nicks is done for the year you're going with your backup jared stidham who at one point in time he was a start he started started from patriots started for the raiders so now he's been I think he's been there for like three years

I think he's been there two or three years so you know what you go you know what you're going up against you're going to have to do what you've done all year play to your strength but you're going to have to do you know help you help your young quarterback back out. Man, yeah, they got a good quarterback, good run game. They roll off the runoff, the runoff play action. We got a decent receiver core, man. But I haven't watched too much.

I just watched the game, so I don't really know too much about them. But from based on who I see, I got a good run game, it's kind of helping them, you know, in the past game. You like watching, you, if I'm playing a team, I'm playing a team, if I know that team is on our schedule, I can't watch them on TV copy because I would get a false sense. If they played bad, I was like, oh, yeah, we're about to run through these dudes. And if they play good, I'm like, oh, my goodness, Lord, how are we going to score on these guys?

So I never watched it. I just wanted to, hey, just give me the cut up. Just give me a breakdown and I'll take it from there. So you actually watch a team that you're going to actually play. Do you get the TV copy to try to hear, you know, calls or anything like that, cadis, if you're going to come off the blitz or anything, do you watch the TV copy and try to pick up the sound? Because some guys, some defensive linemen,

obviously try to get the cadence of the quarterback. I kind of watch the TV copy kind of like on the back end of the week. You know, I get my cutups first. I watch all my cutups, first, second down, early in the week. And then the next day I might do third down and do that. And then towards the later of the week, closer to the game, I watch the TV copies. Because, you know, the commentator is kind of give you a lot of information.

You watch the day. They do. You know what I'm saying? And you pick up on little signs based on, like, chicks and you hand signals and stuff like that. And you know how, is this guy, does he like to hard count? You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm reading everything.

His first reads, you know what I'm saying? I'm just listening to the commentary and seeing how the game flow, how they, how they, you know, the flow of the game is going up. But I don't watch too much of the TV copy. I'm more of a cut-up guy, you know. Right. watching formations and things like that. So based on what you've seen so far,

based on what you know about them, even though you haven't gotten into preparing for that game against them, is there anyone on the Patriots that you see might be able to give you fits on the opposite side of you or you feeling comfortable going to that game where it ain't nothing? I got this. I just have to be technically sound and be disciplined with my eyes and I'm going to be all right.

When I always go into the game, like, man, if I just do it, I do my job and- Right. Have my eyes where it's supposed to be in playoff technique, man, I feel like I just can't be beat because that's how I feel. I like it.

I like it. You guys got tomorrow off? You got to go in to watch film? You got anything or you got tomorrow off? We go in for like a team meeting, but we don't do too much. It's like a regular week now, so going on a team meet and then we have Tuesday off

and then we start back Wednesday. Back at the weekend. Okay. Yeah. I like it. Man, congratulations. Man, I was that man, I was, I said, man,

if the Broncos lose this game after getting five, after getting five turnovers, I'm a lose my mind. I'm a little, I'm a bad, I was going to lose my mind. But I talked to Pat, a PS2 before the game,

and I think you know now is that there are no insignificant plays in the postseason. Every play matters. In the regular season, you might can brush a playoff in the first or second quarter. But you can't do that in the postseason. I get a prime example. I think it was the second quarter.

You remember when Coleman dropped that ball in the end zone? And people say, ooh, glad he dropped it because it was a penalty. But if he catches it, you guys are going to have to accept the penalty. Now you give Josh Allen another crash, you see what they did on Joe? Yeah. Now because he dropped it, we could decline the penalty instead of giving him another crack to get seven, they had to settle for three. See, there are no insignificant plays. People like trying to, well, you know, it really didn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

come post season, every play matters. Talk to Sean, and I know Sean, Sean told you guys, I'm like, Sean, hey, you've been here. You know what it's like. You're like, we're ready to play. We're ready. And you guys, Matt, you guys got to put that away. They come out, you get the strip sack.

Benito chops him. You get the ball. You kick a field goal going into the half. They get the ball. Benito hits them in the back. You get the ball to the 19. Put them away. You got a touchdown there.

You put them away. Yeah, game over. Yeah, that's one thing about, like, NFL football, man. Like you said, we got the force fumble right before they have three points and then come back, you know, force another fumble. And we've done all this and the game still closed. It's like, still like, you got what I'm saying? Like, it's a long game.

It's a long game. NFL are crazy. It's a long game. Playoff game is the atmosphere just crazy. It's different. The tempo is different. The flows. Man, it's a different world.

Oh, yeah. Man, that stadium got so quiet when they took the lead because they got a field goal and then they came back and they took the lead and they made it 24 to 23. That might have been the quiet as I've ever heard in my high. Because they're like, hold on.

We got four turnovers. We were kicking the issue out of them the whole game. How did they got the lead? That's what be the crazy part. Like, man, like you would think, like, if you don't even look at the school, bro, you're just thinking like, man, we, we, we, we own them, like, we own them. Dominating.

Yeah, we dominate them. And then they score one, such, and they're like, they're right back in. Right back in it. Man, well, congratulations. That's one of the biggest plays in Bronco history, in postseason play. Congratulations, proud. I think you or Benito going to probably be AFC defensive player the week. Because Benito got two fours fumbles.

you got a pick. I don't know. It's going to be out of you and Carlton Davis. But I think one of you guys are going to probably be the AOC defensive player of the week.

But congratulations, great season thus far. Hey, I'm trying to see y'all in saying for you, Matt, I got a question. Go ahead. Matt, you hear me? Yeah, I hear you.

Hey, if I was playing today, right? Yeah. Like, hypothetically speaking, if I was playing today game, you think you could cover me? Of course. 100%. A hundred percent.

No, I'm being serious. I'm a hundred percent. This Ocho you're talking to? I know who I'm talking to. I know exactly who I'm talking to. I know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't, you know what I'm talking to Jay Matt. Yeah, you're Bronco, bro, you know what we do? I know, I know, listen, I know, I know, I mean, I mean, he said he can cover me.

I mean, you can cover me right now. What, oh, Joe? Of course. We can line up when you got locked up, won't live. We can line up whenever. We could, we can do something. Listen, your whole, your whole, your whole secondary can come get this work now. Ain't nothing wrong on my feet.

Hey, we ain't ducking done. The whole secondary. All right. I'm in Miami. Come on down here. I'll be down there. I'll be down there. Real?

Yeah. Fort Laudey. All right. All right. After y'all holding that trophy up. Yeah. I got you. Hey, you're nervous, huh?

I can hear it in your voice. Nervous. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't never nervous. One thing about J-Mack. Hey, one thing about J-Mack. I don't care who I line up against.

Yeah. Yeah. Who anybody can get it. Hold on. This is me, that. This ain't. This ain't them. This is me.

I understand who you are. I'm the original shit talking. It's me. Don't do that. I know who you are. Okay. But I'm J-Matt. There.

Bronco country. Hey. Hey, have a good one, boy, man. I salute you, man. I salute you. Appreciate you. Congratulations, man. Great week.

Keep it going, man. Hey, one more. We're so close. One more. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us. Yes, sir. Appreciate it.

Juan McMillan. Devere Broncos. The Patriots beat the Texas by the score of 28 to 16 to reach the AFC championship game. New England earned their first AFC championship trip since 2018. It's up a clash with the Denver Broncos. I don't know it always comes down to, you know, Peyton and Tom. Yeah. The victor keeps alive a 15-year streak with every AFC title game since 2011 has featured either the Patriots or the Chief.

The last without them was Pittsburgh over the Jets. in 2010. C.J. Stroud had arguably his worst game of his three-year career throwing four interceptions in the first half. He finished with 20 and 42 yards, and a quarterback rating of 28. Strauss' score a deception in the first half tied for the most in a playoff game since at least 2000. C.J. Stroud passer rating was 28.

Ocho, if he had taken a snap and just backed up and threw it into the ground, his quarterback rating would have been 39.6. That was embarrassing. That was embarrassing. You can't do... You got the best defense in the NFL, you got the best defense in the NFL. You got away with it last week

and you watched film all week. All right, I can't go into this game. I understand the importance of this game. I can't do one thing. I can't put the ball in harm's way. I can't turn the ball over. I just can't. And the watch film,

to understand that you got by, by the grace of God, and you come back in this game, and you still, oh, come on, nah. You got the best defense that can take you all the way to Santa Clara. All I have to do is the quarterback of this team is don't put the ball in harm's way.

Don't turn it over. That's it. I mean, it sounds easy, obviously, sitting here on the goddamn, you know. No, it's not. But it's not. I would have thought he learned his lesson Monday night, Ocho, we talked about it.

Come on. We talked about it, Ocho. He fumbled four times. They got two of them back. Yeah. So he had two fumbles and two picks, right? Or would he have two fumbles and one pick? What did he have on Monday?

But he got seven turnovers in two games. Yeah. Ocho, this is what Troy Aikman said on the broadcast. C.J. Scrow has been chasing his rookie success for the last two years. He's not been the same player. We've not seen the development from him. There's a reason for that, and it needs to be addressed.

Now, when Shannon said C.J. Stroud has not been the same since his rookie year. What is they on, Joe? Go ahead and tell them. What they say? What they say about, when I say CJ has not been the same. They say you hate it. They say you hate it. You hating.

Where is that energy for the white quarterback? Now, what y'all say about Troy? Maybe because Troy played the quarterback position and I give, you know what? I give you that. Right. He played at an elite level The guy with a Super Bowl MVP led a team to three Super Bowls.

So if you want to say well, Troy, know more about that position, I'll concede that. But all he said was the exact same thing that I said, it was just a different voice. You see, C.J. Stroud, he got intoxicated by the success that he had. Listen at him talk.

This man said his rookie season, he was one of the five best quarterbacks in the NFL as a rookie. Yeah. He was going on there. by the platform, he that guy, he that guy. And he's regressed every year. But y'all don't want to have real conversations.

Y'all won't, y'all want us to, because before, well, we, you wanted guys like Ocho and myself, guys that played the game, guys that played the game at an elite level. But then when we tell you the harsh truth, well, oh, the word that energy. I said something today, Ocho, I say, think about this. Think about this. I said, chat, think about this. If we want to debate Peyton and Tom,

Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes. Okay, we can critique that. I say, think about this here. Y'all talking about Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. Neither guy has won a championship, and now we're debating who's turned the ball over the most in a playoff game. Let that sink in, something we've never done before.

We're not talking about championships where we can compare. You want to compare LeBron? Well, LeBron got four championships. Kobe got five. LeBron got four MVP, Kobe got one. LeBron got four finals MVP, Kobe got two. Kobe's been the 19 All-Star

LeBron has 21 All-Star game MVP If you want to debate that We can have a conversation But since when do we debate Guys that don't have a championship We start baking we start picking apart With one guy turned the ball over four times

The other guy turned it over three One guy turned it over three The other guy turned over two When do we start doing that, Ocho? Because there's nothing There's nothing else to talk about You have to pull something out the air To create dialogue

to tell the difference between two quarterbacks that haven't won a championship yet. Back to the C.J. Stroud thing, I want to have a better understanding on why he's regressing the way he is. Is it the coaching? Is it all, is it, his OC is gone from his rookie year? What can it be?

What is the issue behind it? Because he has a talent around him. Yes. He has a great supporting cast around him offensively where the struggles that he's having, he shouldn't be having them. One of the best chances as far as that window for them and having the opportunity to compete for a Lombardi trophy was this year,

having the defense that they do have. Yes. This was the year. Yes. I just don't understand. He's been very inconsistent. He's been up and down. He has good games.

Then he has a string that are bad. It leaves scratching your head. Based on the standard in which he's set from his rookie season, you expect him to continue to get better. And keep chopping wood. Keep chopping wood. Sophomore year, okay, it's a little. little shaky. Okay, we can live with that. We know going into your third year, maybe

things will continue to get better and you build off some of the things that you've seen that have been mistakes, you learn from and you don't do them again. But now those same mistakes are continuously happen. Those same assessments, those same fumbles, that clock in your head has to go off some time as a quarterback, understanding when you got to get rid of the ball. Norman will let go. Is he getting better or is he talking about getting better? because here's the thing now. See, it's kind of like winking in the dark. You know what you're doing, but nobody else does.

You can tell us whatever you want to tell us. We have no choice but to believe you because we're not there in your most private moments. But that's not what the work says. But I will say this, I will say this. You don't get, you don't have the success he's had. You don't get to where he's gotten to and done some of the things he's done in his career without putting in the Oh, Cho, how many guys got to the NFL? There have been a lot of guys that had great college careers.

We've seen a lot of guys have great one years. Yeah. The trick is to do, Ocho, if you go to the Pro Bowl one time, didn't nobody know you had that in you? But now can you go back again? Yeah. Can you go back again? Can you go back again?

When they build a game plan to stop you, Ocho, can you still have success? Okay, so now you have the outstanding rookie season. What are you going to do about in your sophomore year? Yeah. What about your junior season? You got to keep building? Are you going to talk about it or you're going to be about it?

Come on now. Damn, man. Hey. Sometimes you have to have real hard conversation about these guys. Like I said, I came in the league in 1990. So that means I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I saw Mahomes. I saw Brady.

I saw Manning. I saw Rivers. I saw Rothersburg. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. I've never, ever. Since 19. So that's about 37 years of being in the NFL and covered. I've never heard a rookie quarterback.

Talk as much as this young man did after success that he enjoyed in one season. I've never. You know, you know, you know, it's funny. So it's hard for me to be able to give my context and perspective on what he said because most of the time, the time that I've heard him talk, it's obviously God-fearing guy. So I haven't seen or heard some of the things you might have heard. So it's hard for me to give my piece on that. But I just don't understand what the issue and why is as good as he is,

as great of a throw of the football that he is, having Nico Collins and having some of the other weapons. When Nico was out today, Ocho. I'm just saying in general. Yeah, overall, yeah. But he had Nico the large part of the season. Yeah, during the season, I just, I don't understand. I get what you said.

Maybe next year, we got Tank Dale coming back. You got tank, tank one hell of a play. I think is one hell of a player and he changes. Hopefully he can come back. That was a gruesome injury, Ocho. Yeah, he'd be back, though. That was a gruesome, Ocho. It was, it was.

And then if he comes back, it's still going to take another year for him to get his timing and his legs up. Because Ocho, he's been rehabbing all this time. He ain't training. Yeah, I, I, I, fuck, I hate, my bad, excuse me, sorry about that. No, you're good. I hate, I hate stuff like that.

Just, could you. you understand how that position is scrutinized. Yes. But you also understand why they get $60 million a year. Come on, now. Look at your Brady's. Yeah. Look at your mannings.

Look at your Jacks. Lamar this year, I'm going to chalking up the injury. He was injured. He was in and out. And when he came back, he wasn't the same Lamar. But you go back and look at Lamar's track record, Lamar, Lamar's proven commodity. You look at it.

His first year, he started like six games. They make the playoffs. He come back to the next year. He wins the MVP. Yeah. You look at Mahon boy and maybe it's unfair. Because everybody in their second year and third year not winning MVP's. Everybody can't have the level of success that Lamar Jackson is had.

Yeah. Patrick Mahomes is head. Drake May is in the running for the MVP in his second year. Could win. I think Matthew Stafford is going to win. They're going to give it. They're going to be the staff. The mere fact that he's in the discussion.

Right. Only in your two. Says a lot. Yeah. Yes. Now, maybe we look at the coordinator. Who's coaching him? What's he teaching him?

Is he processing? Is he learning what he's being taught? Because we've seen coaching matters. We look at Matt Jones when he had a Josh McDaniel. And we look at Matt Jones when he had the other guys in this. is here. Yeah. Mm-hmm. We look at cable on chess on. Now that he's here with Brable, he looks like a different player than what he was with the Jags. Yeah. Coaching matters. Systems matter. Organizations matter. Sam Darnal. Tadda. Those things matter. So I would ask,

Demico, look at your office, who's coaching him, the quarterback, who's in his ear, O.C. He's regressed. He has not gotten better. He has not. And you cannot convince anybody that's watched him his rookie year and watched him sophomore and junior year that says that C.J. Stroud has gotten better at anything than what he was as a rookie. Yeah. And I don't understand it.

You know, from the outside looking in, I'm not in that building. All I get to see is I get to see to finish. product like everybody else in the chat. I get to see them on Sundays. Obviously, playing that position, you understand the work that has to go in to improve from your rookie year to your sophomore to your junior year. And for some reason, things haven't, it just, it just hadn't done that. Now, the one thing that we can't hoop and holl about is a goddamn defense over there in

Houston. Huh? That, that's one of the best, if not the best in NFL, outside of the goddamn Seahawks and the goddamn Broncos. Yes. Can you imagine? Could you imagine understanding? I'm just, I'm putting myself in C.J. Straub's shoes.

Me having a defense like that. Okay. Don't eff it up. I ain't got, all I got to do, I don't got to mess it up. I mean, it sounds easy, you know, but obviously, oh, man, that's, Ocho. How about just not, Alcho. Look at the plays that he was turning the ball over on, though, Ocho.

Yeah. What was complex or what was complex or over? complicated about that. No. Just don't throw it to the other team. Hold on to the damn ball. They would have won this game. If the Texans could have got

those scooping scores like they got against Pittsburgh, they'd win this game. They, they, Drake made former twice. He only lost two. He former four times. What if one of those or two of those they scooping scores?

Of course, yeah. Like we saw against Pittsburgh. They got a scoop and they got a pick six. Changes everything. It changes everything. But when you got a defense like that, you don't have to do much. You don't. You just, I don't know.

I don't know maybe he goes to Whitfield or he go to Tom House or he goes to someone. But whoever is in his ear currently, Ocho, you can't regress like that. Yeah. You can't. Now, I promise you, we got to have real, also they're having real conversations. Do we extend this guy for $300 million or do we make him play, oh, do we just pick up that fifth year option and make sure he plays year four? $300 million or play out year four and we pick up year five.

That's that, oh, that's, see, that's one, I wouldn't want to be Nick Secaria. Is it Secario? No, you said you want to be a GM. You said you want to be Matt Ryan. That's what you said. Chad, did he not say that? Why don't know why the Bengals should call me? One of these teams should call me.

So now here you are. You're GM. So, okay, I'm the GM of the Houston, Texas right now. Yes. Do I pick up, do I pay C. Day Stroud? What? 300 million. 300 million.

So do I pick up the fifth year option and make him prove himself one more year? Yep. I'm going to take option two. I'm going to pick up that fifth year. I'm going to prove himself next year. Yes. And then, boom, okay, you know, you're the future for the next 10 years. I got you.

Let's go. I can do that. I mean, both guys were just like staking up the joint for a long time. I mean, Ocho, if you go back and think about it, Drake may got three touchdowns, but two, Boutet touchdown and Stefan Digg, I don't know how they held on today. I still don't know how Stefan Diggs was looking at the damn hand like, how did I hold on to death? What the hell? Yeah.

Boutet in those elements He caught the ball with one hand Against Stingley Jr. Yeah, he had a beat. You know what? That was great coverage by Stingley But a perfect ball placed Will be great coverage any day.

No, absolutely. That was perfect ball placement. A perfect shot beats a perfect defense. I don't care. Oh, you see, we've seen Kobe and Steph and LeBron and Jordan all these guys. The defender, I mean, bro, how you,

first of all, how you, KD, how do you even see the basket? We watched Steph, also, we watched Steph last year at the Olympics. Yeah. I mean, 24 in the Olympics. And you're like, hold on, wait a minute. Batoon and these guys are basically in the job.

Bro, how are you making shots from 35 like that? Like it ain't nothing. Ain't nothing you could do. We've seen the hottest hitters. And a pitch company, the perfect placement, ain't nothing you could do. Mm-hmm. That was a perfect throw.

Bootate, ha, ha, survive. Oh, guess what? He caught the ball. He survived the contact from the ground. And got up with it. That is a catch. Yeah. But this defense,

at some point in time, you can't pay everybody on that defense. now. Oh, Will Anderson Jr. contract's up. What you're going to do with him? Hold on that, and that's what I'm getting ready to say? He's the three times. Hey, I think he's going to what, three pro bowls? Yes. Two or three pro bowls. He's an all pro this year.

He's going to be probably a top 20 of the top 100 players. He's probably going to be in the top 20. Okay. If you get CJ 300, oh, you just saw what Miles Garrett got. You just saw what Michael Parsons got. And he's younger than Michael Parker. Yeah. So you're going to have to be looking at to give him $1,900.

Oh. You just paid Stingley and you paid the other guy, Alasseter on the other side, Petrie. Wait. Wait, no. Lasseter Petrie. Bullock. Hey, this was their year, man. Hey, they got a squad, man.

They got them, boy. Hey, Shazir, uh, Shazir is up or he still, he got. I think Shizur, uh, Shizir might be up too. Oh, they got a score, man. Yes. This was their year, boy. Look, they've taken care of Sholes. They've taken care of Nico.

Huh? Stingley. Lasseter, didn't they take care of Lasseter? No, Lasseter only in the second year, ain't he? Oh, is he? Yeah, you only in the second year. What about Petrie? I'm not sure.

I'm not sure about Petri. Oh, them boy, man. Hey, God. Hey, could you imagine, could you imagine if I was out there at the quarterback quarterback at Houston? What? Hey, I call Josh McDaniel. I call Mike McDaniel, Joe. Blue Rape.

Ooh, that's a good one for the OC? Yes. Hey. Oh, hold on. I rather, I mean, honestly, I like, I like the idea. I like where you're going with it. But I prefer, I prefer goddamn Mike McDaniel over there in Detroit. Because he has more to play with.

Yes. He has more tools to play with. He got more tools in the toolbox and that kind of offense. And it's basically what he's already used to running. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, this is what D'emico said. He never considered bitching, C.J. C.J. is our guy. I believe that he could come back out in the second half and flip it.

I believe that he could come play better. And he did that in the second half. He did play better. We had some positive drive there in the second half. I believe that we. would do that and he did that. As I always tell our guys at halftime, it really doesn't matter what happened in the first

half. Yeah. It's a two-half game, huh? It is. Two-half game. You can stinking up the first half and come back and look all-world in the second. Yep. Yep. But in a game like this, it's hard to overcome four

turnovers in the first half. The only thing that saved him it was that Drake May was throwing picks and fumbling the football. Yeah. That's what kept him in the ball game. And they needed their defense to get some scooping scores or some pick sixes like they got against Pittsburgh.

And they had one. The guy tried to pick it up in that area of the field. You got to just jump on it. Just jump on it. Try to try to play hero ball. Will Anderson, Jr. got one out. And he almost had it between his leg. And then Campbell jumped on that one.

That could have been another one that could have led the points maybe a touchdown, maybe a field goal. We don't know. Yeah. But there are some opportunities there for the defense, but it's just hard when your offense puts your defense on short fields and keeps putting you in harm's way because I don't care how great you are. That's what we had to learn like the 2000 Ravens.

Yeah. As great as our defense were, if we kept putting them on short fields with a guy, hey, all they got to do is just kneel down and kick a field goal. Yeah. And then a busted player or a broken tackle, that's a touchdown. Make them drive 70, 80. you weren't driving 70 80 on that defense, not that year.

I don't believe a team is going to consistently drive 70, 80 yards on that Houston, Texas defense. No. The only thing that would harm them would put them in harm's way, turnovers. Offent turning the ball over. Yeah.

And the Patriots, hey, they got their hands on the ball. Gonzalez got it out from Woody Marks. Carlton Davis had two outstanding picks. They're intercessible night. Hey, Carlton Davis played a little receiver, boy. He must have played a little receiver back in the day. Those guys, those guys played well. They did a great job.

Anthony Jennings had a sack. Tonga had a sack. Kay Levin Cheson had a sack. They put pressure on him. But man, Will Anderson Jr. were playing out of his mind. Three sacks. Danelle Hunter, two sacks. Countless pressures.

Hey. they're supposed to come away I mean they're supposed to come away your defense do that for you you guys five sacks you're supposed to repay the favor though but you know it's funny it's them five sacks

the full turnovers it it counters it evens it evens everything out yes it even it evens everything out yep and the thing is the reason why it was a close ball game is that like you said one team had had

five what five turnovers no they had no Woody Marks lost yeah Woody Marks lost one uh and uh four so that's five turnovers and the other team had three turnovers. Mm-hmm. It's crazy. But I, but I look I got to try something because something is going on with my quarterback and I believe he's the guy if I'm Domeco, this is how I'm thinking I'm D'Amico Ryan.

Mm-hmm. My quarterback is not the same. as he was in his rookie season. Now, I need to know why. Now, I'm not, I'm going, I'm not going to leave a stone unturned. Yeah. I'm on Sky with heaven and earth. Maybe he needs to get an old OC.

Maybe he needs somebody else in his ear. You know, I don't know what it is. They need to do something because when C.J. Stroud missed a few games, David Mills came in and kept their head above water. David Mills came in and kept that Houston, Texas offense above water until, until C.D. Stroud got back. He did. So if David, he was.

Even Mills can do it and look the way he look in such a short amount of time. I'm sure C.J. Stroud can come back and do it. I'm not sure if his confidence, maybe shot a little bit. Maybe they need to have a different approach and to getting him in rhythm. Stop having plays that are so long. Stop having plays that require play action. I don't know. I don't know.

You know, that team, D'Amico, they understand what C.D. Strow's strengths are as a quarterback. And they understand what his weaknesses are. you need to make sure you play to his strength and hide his weaknesses the best way you can until you can make his weaknesses a part of his strength and that that takes years and years and years of working at your craft to do that.

Yeah. What, today was the AFC championship game in 97? Oh. Yeah, yeah, that was 97. I think we did pick off Cordell a couple of times. What did we pick him off? two times.

You played against Cordell Stewart? Yeah. Winners, huh? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. Three times. Yeah.

Well, I think the thing, no, he, because, uh, one year, Cordell, I think it might have been that year. Cordell finished like second or third in the MVP voting. What year? Who won the MVP? In 97, Barry and Brett Farr tied. Oh, Brett won it three years in row, 95, 96, 97.

Yeah. TD wanted in 98 and then Kurt Warner wanted in 2009 and I think Marshall wanted him in 2000 and then Kurt wanted it in 01 I think with the Rams huh? Nah, Rich Gavin

yeah I think Kurt won in 01 I think Rich wanted a rich one in 2002 that's with the Raiders yes yeah we're Jerry and Tim yeah yeah but Houston you got too much talent. Don't squatter this.

You got to find out what's going on with CJ because you're about to have to invest a boatload of money in him. So you might want to make sure everything is on the that you got you, you give him the best tools possible from an offensive perspective as a coordinator and a quarterback coach

to make sure you're maximizing his ability. Yeah. After the game, several fans posted Strauss Stroud's infamous post-game moments with Kayla Williams from week two of last season. Stroud's big brother Williams, despite them being the same age and told Caleb, stop taking those big hits and then it would be a hell of a player in the NFL.

Well, he ain't lie. Williams did not look at all interested in what Stroud had to say. Since that moment, C.J. Stroud, 5,795 yards, 34 touchdowns, 18 picks. Caleb Williams, 6,612 yards, 48 touchdowns, 12 picks. Yeah Yeah Tough He's just trying to look at

He just trying to look out Yeah that's it You know that was That was a genuine moment too From from two players Obviously knowing each other Before they even made it To the NFL

Just just give me some Because you know how they were giving Caleb crap CJ From California From LA No I'm saying Caleb is from the DMV

They know each other Come on man I'm talking about from college I'm not talking about When you know you know you can get it. I think you say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.