Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ranking DeAndre Hopkins trade, CMC returns, Lamar’s perfect game

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 9 of the NFL season including ranking the DeAndre Hopkins trade to Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, San Francisco 49ers RB CHristian McCaffrey returns to practice,  Baltimore Ravens Lamar Jackson has a perfect game and much more!03:13 - Ranking the DeAndre Hopkins trade05:30 - Christian McCaffrey returns07:16 - Jermaine Burton spotted at casino09:37 - Colts vs. Vikings15:47 - Take a look at Lamar Jackson’s stats22:36 - Eagles vs. Jaguars27:51 - Bengals beat the Raiders35:40 - Chargers vs. Browns41:00 - Panthers beat the Saints45:12 - Rams vs. Seahawks47:45 - Titans beat the Patriots(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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terms, and responsible gaming resources. Ocho, before we get to other news of the day, Chiefs have seemingly found their number one receiver at D Hopps. Acquired D Hopps from the tights only cost Kansas City a conditional fifth round pick. Yeah. Ocho, where would this rank as far as in season trade if the Kansas City Chiefs go on and do what they, and do what they, what we think they can do. Where would you rank this in season trade? I'd rank this in season trade probably, damn near, damn near, Uncle gotta be one of the best.

It gotta be one of the best because It gotta be the one of the best cause you trading for a player, if you put him in the right situation, he can give you what we're used to seeing when he was considered a top three, top five player in the league. You put him in the right situation. That's what's so important.

When we're used to seeing D Hop when he was with Arizona, when we saw D Hop when he was with the goddamn Tex saw D Hop when he was with the goddamn Texans. He was considered one of the best in the game. Sure. All of a sudden, he's out of that situation where the opportunities come a little bit more often than normal. So you're able to see the talent.

You're able to see the skill. You're able to see how good he is, how he doesn't drop shit. He don't drop nothing, huh? Yep. Boy got all state for hands. Now you put him in this situation in Kansas City. You allow him to get acclimated into the offense. He already has 8 for 86.

That might to me, I don't even know a stat line when he's with Tennessee. I guarantee you that's his best game. Yeah. It's probably his best game. And he only been here for goddamn three business days. It ranks up there and I think the cheese are probably gonna if and when they do go maybe back to a chip again, D Hop is gonna play a big part of that. He gonna play a damn big part in that.

Yeah he's a look I wanted D Hop to go before he signed with Tennessee because I thought that would be a great move for him. Oh Joe, you gotta get that money. But gotta get that money. Gotta go get the money. And he did that. But I think that, but he saw losing sucks. You get that money and you get your eyes beat out.

It gets hard and hard to go take your ass to work on Monday. Oh Joe. Yeah. Cause you already know what life is. Kristin McCaffrey returns to practice for the 49ers. Not only did C Mac return to the practice field for the first time since week one, wide receiver Jawan Jennings, kicker Jake Moody, and offensive lineman John Feliciano were all back in action according to reports on the site.

Ocho? What, what do you expect from the 49ers moving forward? Once CMC hits that field, the offense gets that much better. Once CMC hits that field, the offense gets that much better. Arguably, CMC was the best runner back in the league. I know what Derrick Henry is doing right now, but before CMC got, I mean, before CMC got hurt, he was considered the best runner back in the league for all the things that he can do at the receiver position, lining up in the slot, all

thinking do come out the backfield, catching the ball out the backfield, running the ball. It allows, it allows them to do so much more. I think the offers a playbook with Shanahan when CMC is back there, even though Jordan, even though Jordan Mason played pretty well, you know, while, while CMC was out, I think they can do that much more offensively when they have CMC in there. Yeah.

I think, I think healthy, they still, they're still a threat in the NLC. Hell yeah. They're still, they're still very formidable. Formeable. Whatever term you want to use. Formidable, formidable. See Mac, his ability to run the football between the tackles, hit outside, can catch it out of the backfield. They get Debo back, they get Juwan Jennings back.

They have an opportunity to do something really good. Ocho, I want your thoughts on this. Bingo's wide receiver rookie, Jermaine Burton, was spotted in the casino alone in the Hard Rock, in Sensi, wearing the same city he had on yesterday. Burton was a healthy stretch again yesterday and sun and Saturday didn't show up a walkthrough. Damn, man. Maybe we talked about that a little bit. I think he trains with TJ Houshmizadeh. I think Hous I think Houch is a good mentor for him.

At some point, I'm sure Houch is gonna talk to him and try to get it through his head. These opportunities aren't gonna come often. You have a little leash. Again, they will tolerate you as you always say, they will tolerate you until they can replace you. And when it comes to NFL, everybody's expendable and replaceable, except maybe one or two guys. And that's literally everybody, no matter what you may think.

So listen, you can't ruin this opportunity. You work too hard. You work too hard, really all your life. You know, you started this as a teenager. You worked all your life to get to this point where you're able to live out a childhood dream. You're able to be a blessing. You're able to provide for not just yourself but for your family and bless all those who helped you and guided you along the way to get to this point in life and in your career. You can't mess it up.

You can't mess it up. I'm sure he has enough people bothering him. I would reach out to him, but he already has Hush in this corner as someone he talks to and mentors and trains with. And I'm sure Hush is going to talk to him and get him together because, hey, that NFL, boy, that NFL stands not for long, you know, even when you're doing right. So if you ain't doing right, I mean, that leash becomes even shorter.

You're right. Hey, he's a talent too, boy. I mean, that leash becomes even shorter. You right. And he's a talent too, boy. He is a fucking talent. Mike Hilton sent a strong message to the rookie wide receiver. When you get to this point in your career, you gotta grow up.

You're a grown man. Nobody's gonna babysit you anymore. At all. At all. Joe Burrow had a good quote too. You know them boys don't them boys don't play man. They have yeah they have a singular focus. Not only they trying to win they behind the goddamn eight ball. They ain't with the bullshit. The Minnesota Bikes can stop their two-game losing streak by a score of 21-13 over the

Indianapolis Cokes. The Cokes went with Joe Flacco. They benched Anthony Richardson. Sam Donnell was 28-34, 290, three touchdowns. He had two interceptions and a fumble. Justin Jefferson continued his hot streak, 7-4, buck 37. Addison Jordan Addison made a great one-handed catch. As they pull away and hold on to win 21 13 over in Annapolis coast to

keep them somewhat connected to the Detroit lions, uh, coast produced their worst offensive performance of the year. Tonight, the coast had six, uh, the coach office had six points, their lowest output of the year, zero red zone drive, the lowest output of the year, 13 first downs, lowest output of the year, zero red zone drive, the lowest output of the year, 13 first downs, lowest output of the year, 227 total yards, lowest output of the year. Ocho, watching this game, what did you like about what Minnesota was able to do to get back into the win column? Listen, to get back into the win column, they need to give the game ball to Brian Flores,

all defense, all defense. They played extremely well all four quarters. They played all three phases of the game extremely well. Sac and Joe Flacco causing turnovers, interceptions, and hell, hell, the coach didn't give themselves the chance actually with the turnover that they had. And they picked the worst opportune time to have an inefficient offense against,

arguably, one of the better teams in the NFC. And really, the defense smothered. So Brian Flores, I would like to give him the credit offense against arguably one of the better teams in the NFC and really the defense smothered. So Brian Flores, I would like to give him the credit for the win tonight, even though offensively they did what they needed to do as far as scoring points, but that defense was really, really good. Really, really good. Yeah. You look, you know, one thing when you play the Vikings, their pressure defense, they're going to heat you up. Brian Flores is going to heat you up now. So you better, whatever, whatever you're doing,, they're pressure defense. They're gonna heat you up. Brian Flores is gonna heat you up now. So you better, whatever you're doing,

you better do it suddenly. You better do it in a hurry because you're not gonna have a whole lot of time because he's coming with the pressure package. He believes in his back end. He believes they can hold up and he believes he can get to you before you get to them. And so that's the number one thing

that I've noticed that the games that I've watched them play. And for the most part, they've had a lot of games that have been televised. If you can't, excuse me, if you can't handle that pressure, you can't deal with their defense. Now, the problem is if Sam Donalds, now when you play Detroit, you turn the ball over three times,

they're gonna blow you out. I'm just telling you telling you played the Lions and you turned that ball over early like they did. Oh Joe, that game be open. That game was over, but definitely that's, that's, that's probably 17 points. I see him. If you turn it over three, they score on two off that in the field goal. Right. Because remember they hear what they have a, didn't they have a, they got to pick six. So you see, even Andy turned their offensive possession because the last thing you want to happen

is a team score when you got the ball. It's hard enough, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? It's hard enough to keep them out of the end zone, especially these high powered offenses. The Ravens, the Lions, even though Kansas City hadn't got on track, we know they have the potential to be explosive. You let them score when you got the ball and you catch hell stopping them when they

have the ball. You're asking for problems. But I thought- No, I was just saying they put you behind the eight ball completely and you got to do that much more offensively and damn they got to play perfect football if you allow them to score on defense. Yeah, you're absolutely right. ball if you allow them to score on defense. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Joe Flacco could never seem to get into rhythm. He was 16 or 27 179 one interception. He was sacked three times.

The biggest issue was the inability to run the football because in order to slow some of that pressure down you're going to have to run the football to make them think about something other than your quarterback. As long as they don't long as they're teeing off on your quarterback and they're not respecting your run, it's going to be a very difficult evening, especially on the road. And that crowd get to rocket is hard. You see, they got a couple of false start up here to these old shows.

And so you needed some some you needed some resemblance of a run game to try to slow that pressure front of the the Vikings down. Jonathan Taylor, 13 for 48. Um, so they had 19 carries for 68 yards. That's not nearly enough. A slightly over three yards of care. That's not nearly enough. Oh, Joe, I think I'm cutting.

No, it won't. It won't. So, uh, the Vikings stopped the bleeding of their two game losing streak. They moved to six and two 21-13 winners over the Indianapolis Colts who falls to four and five. Now we're going to talk about Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson completed 16 of 19 pass attempts for 280 yards, three touchdowns, and had a perfect quarterback rating. 158.3. Lamar now has four career games with a perfect quarterback rating with a minimum of 10 passes. He ties the NFL record held by Ben Roethlisberger, who also has four such games. Lamar now has 20 passing

touchdowns this season after connecting with Zay Flowers twice, Patrick Card once, Flowers and Jackson's Flowers with Jackson's favorite target on Sunday, five receptions, a buck twenty seven. In winning six of their past seven games, the Ravens have beaten three teams with a winning record. The Bills, commanders and the Broncos by combined score of 106 to 43. But this is the same Baltimore team that lost the two last place. See they lost to the Browns and they lost to the Ravens. It comes down to the most criticized Ravens defense. When Baltimore holds teams to 25 or fewer points, the Ravens are four and

Oh, that's great. When Baltimore host teams to 25 or fewer points, the Ravens are 4 and 0. That's crazy, bro. That's crazy. They lost to the Ravens and the Browns. Excuse me. They lost to the Raiders and the Browns. You know what's funny? You see, why I was a little optimistic about maybe the Cowboys being able to pull it off, you know, and changing their season around

is because on any given Sunday, you never know what's going to happen. You never know what's going to happen. Now, as dominant as the Ravens are, if you're a bet man, if you're a gambler man, when they paid the Raiders, you putting all your money on the Ravens. When they played the Browns, you putting all your money on the Browns. But I don't understand why that happens. Maybe playing down to the competition, maybe the play calling play calling like you said when they play the Browns They only gave goddamn Derek Henry the ball 11 times. How many I mean, how many how many rushes Derek Henry had today?

23 For two to with two touchdowns in a buckle six See, maybe that is a formula. Maybe 34 they almost had double the amount of rush attempts as pass attempts. Last week. It was the flip side. Lamar Jackson threw the ball 19 times today. They ran it 34 times.

That's your recipe. And because Lamar doesn't need to throw the ball 30 plus times because he's going to be a so efficient because the gaps that's gonna be in the defense because you can't stop D Henry with a light box. So he's throwing against man coverage and when his own coverage they so out of place because they've taken the false steps trying to get down when he fakes the ball into D Henry's belly.

Now you out of position, but he's dealing with the ball. He's playing unbelievable. Right now, the MVP is Lamar, is D Henry, is Jerry Gough. Okay. Anybody else in that race that you would throw a name in the box? No. Okay. No. Not for me. I mean, listen, a blind man can see it.

I'm not going to mention a blind man name, but a blind man can see there's a chance that Lamar Jackson can win his third MVP. There's a chance that he can win his third MVP. And man, by God, young boy. I know, I know young bull watch, they be watching too. I know Lamar probably probably not watching right now. I think he going to see this, boy. You the real deal boy.

Pumping those finest, boy. I salute you. This is coming from a bangle. It's coming from a bangle. But I know one thing. You know who they play Thursday night? Who they play? Yeah, okay.

I bet they put pussy. You know who they play. I bet they put pussy. I bet it's gonna be built to ass. Bet that. I bet they put pussy. I bet it's gonna be built to ass. And that. I bet it's gonna be built to ass. And that's respectfully to all my Raven fans,

I love you, you know how I feel about you. I love you. And Baltimore. I got the Raven. You won't bet nothing. Whatever, make a lot of yourself. I ain't gonna do you like that. I ain't gonna take your money.

Do me like that. Do me like that. I ain't gonna take your money. I ain't gonna take your money. Yeah, I'm gonna take my money. Do me like that. Do me like that. I ain't gonna take your money. I ain't gonna take your money. Yeah, I'm gonna take my money. We just talked about what happened when they played the Raiders. We just talked about what happened

when they played the Browns. So you think the Bengals, after today's game against the Raiders, you think we gonna, did you? Talk about, I remember what they did last time they were in Cincinnati. Dropped a 41 piece on me. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Stay with me now. Did you see Joe Burrow today? I don't mean to jump the gun and get off topic. Did you see Joe Burrow today? How many yards did he throw for against the Ravens last time? What you talking about last time? We've improved since then. Move them.

No, you haven't. Your defense haven't. You just played a bad team. Remember how y'all went to Philly? Philly beat y'all 34-17. OK. All right. All right. Mark my words. the the record. Alright, he can't beat Lamar. He got one victory against Lamar. I know. I know what the record is. I know it but listen Lamar wiping his

feet. That's what Lamar do to everybody in the in the yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah it all right. All right. Make it light on yourself then. Make it light on yourself.

What you wanna do? You call your price. Better band. A band. And I ain't talking about fam you or grambling the Southern. What you wanna do? I got, what you wanna do?

Better band. I wanna band. Better. Matter of fact, you know what? What you want to do? I got what you want to do. I want to bet it. Matter of fact, you know what? Since you're talking and I got 10 right here, make it 2000. Now what? What you want to do? Let's go. Hey, Joe, I told you what Joe Burrow said the last time he was in front of the media.

We're going to win seven of the last nine. And starting at number one, but at next nine was the date. And the next win is going to be Thursday. They have it and that anybody in the chat. They got something to say you better to put your side bed down. Y'all talking about man. So talk about man who they what they play it too good.

They play it. Yeah, they playing real good. And no too good. Yeah, they playing real good. And no, listen, Lamar Jackson, the Ravens, Brother Todd Monkin, they are playing phenomenal football. Derrick Henry, phenomenal. Zay Flowers, boy, I see you, boy. I see you. But Thursday, no sub.

Thursday, no sup. Thursday, no sup. Eagles beat the Jags 28-23. St. Quine hit a backwards hurdle. Devontae Smith one-handed touchdown grab. Eagles almost let this one slip away. The failed to convert the brotherly shove two point conversion. They turned the ball over on fourth and one.

Jake Elliott missed a 57 yard field goal attempt to give the Jaguars the last tap to beat them. But, Nicoby Dean, interception in the end zone, saved the game. Ocho, did you watch this game Ocho? You watched a lot of this game? Yeah, I watched spurts of it because I had multiple games going on at once.

So my head was on swivel, left to right, left to right, left to right, like I was watching a goddamn tennis match. But I was able to watch most of it I saw summer say Juan play that's all Devante Smith do it he did one hand other than that I remember tweeting that the Eagles look good I tweeted is not long ago I said the Eagles look so good there's a chance they'll probably be playing for a Super Bowl championship. And everybody tweeted me back, hell no, we not,

not with Nick Sarriani as a coach. And I simply said, even with the inconsistency at the head coaching position that people are complaining about, the offense is so good that I think they can overcome any coaching walls. I think they can overcome any coaching walls. As long as they play defense, I think they'll be fine. But nobody agrees with me.

No, nobody does. No. Cause they don't look as good as the Lions. The Lions look great. Yeah. And here's the problem. The Lions look great. Yeah. And here's the problem. They're probably gonna have to manage AJ with this hamstring.

Now they didn't release the injury of AJ because he left his game on Joe. So it's gonna be interesting to see how this thing plays out because they're gonna have to manage him. I don't believe they can go all the way without a healthy AJ Brown. Wait, he just came back from hamstring, didn't he? Yeah, I don't know,

Sirianni did not say after the game what the injury was, but he left and didn't return. So it's gonna be interesting to see moving forward because I don't think they can go to where they trying to get to without him Oh And I'm I'm sick of this shit, man But That move fake one hit on for 14 yards. Oh Joe

He hopped over the dudes backwards. Hold on. He spun. He made somebody miss did a spin in spun, he made somebody miss, did a spin in the middle of the spin because he was already behind. He knew he knew the guy was going to go low and jumped over him. A reverse, what's it called like? Reverse what? A reverse hurdle. There it is. Bruh had a reverse hurdle. Chat, y'all don't understand. A reverse hurdle? That's likeall don't understand reverse hurdle. That's like a wrestling move. You know, when they sling somebody into the turnbuckle and they hop backwards. Look, that's, that's as good a move that you're going to see for him to be able to do that.

But I'm confused. There was a play late in the ball game where they're trying to run out. He hurdles the guy and slides down. I don't know if you saw it. And the reporters didn't ask him about it. They didn't ask him about it. And I don't think they asked Sirianni about it.

And I'm trying to figure out what was going through his mind. Did he think they were out of timeouts? Did he think he had the first down? I'm confused why he would slide in that situation instead of getting the first down. So I was confused I think he miscalculated it'll be very interesting to hear what his thought process was and why he did that Probably in his ear somebody was probably in his ear and told him to do that He they he just didn't realize the situation and the fact that he did need the first down. I Called I call it. You know what I call that I call that over coaching

first down. I call it, I call it, you know what I call that? I call that over coaching. Over coaching. You had your player thinking more than they should instead of just playing the goddamn game and probably based on a situation, having a situational awareness in that moment, you'll know to get the first down and then slide. I agree. I was surprised that, uh, that he did it. Because I was like, what was Saquon, you got to get the first down in that situation. You had to have miscalculated something. Something.

Because there ain't no way he's sliding like that. Because he slid like he thought he had the first down. And so, or he didn't think they had any more timeouts, but they had two timeouts and they had the two minute warning. So I was just totally confused by what he did in that play. But the play that he had was incredible. That caught the pass, spin, hop, backwards. I don't even know, can you do that in Madden?

No, no, you know. You will, I bet they added it, I bet they add it. You think so? I mean, they probably can. That matter of fact, it should be a feature specifically for him because I mean, a lot of people hurdle, a lot of people hurdle, so they might as well add it, just a reverse hurdle.

I like it, that's dope. The Bengals beat the Raiders 41-24. Joey B gets the win, only six more to fulfill the Ocho promise of seven wins in nine games. Rookie Jermaine Burton was a healthy scratch after missing walkthrough on Saturday. Joe Burrow just didn't have little to do, they have to do the little things right.

Mike Hilton, you're a grown man, nobody's gonna baby you anymore. What do you think, Ocho? The Bangles won. Joe Burrow. How many touchdowns did Joe Burrow do today? Five. He was 27 to 39, 251, five touchdown.

And the pick that guy, Ocho, that guy started the hell out some film. That's like the second or third time he done picked the jailbreak three. Did that last year too. Did it last year too. Listen, I tweeted, I tweeted it, I tweeted it and some of the people complained.

Well, if, uh, I think maybe Yoshi, if he said, if Yoshi had made the block, listen, Jack is reacting as soon as the ball snaps based on facial recognition, and he already knows it's coming. And you see, once he sees Chase Bubble, he goes. He going right to it. So you really can't even get to the block

or make an attempt to block him because he already know what's going on. And sometimes that's why you have that guy Yoshi that's normally going to block you to have him go up the rail because the guy's going to react like Jack Jones do and then you hit him up the rail. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good. Yeah, you can get him. But if you throw that ball, if he get a reaction like that and you throw that ball to Chase,

he'll go another way if he can catch it. Hey, but again, on Jermaine Burton, being late, obviously doing the same thing that Dag did. I haven't had the chance to talk to Young Bull. I think TJ Houchemazada is a mentor of his. He trains with him. And I think TJ gotta talk to him. TJ gotta get in his ear.

They're tolerated. They're tolerated until they can replace you. Now Jermaine is, Burton is a special talent. He has a lot of talent. He can help this offense in a tremendous way, especially with his speed and being able to stress defenses. So I would like for him to do whatever he needs to do. I'm not sure.

I'll probably reach out to him. You needs to do. I'm not sure. I'll probably reach out to him. You gotta do the little things, man. If you do the little things right, it'll pay off for you. It'll pay off for you. So I wanna see him. The old bingles would have tolerated this behavior, but the new bingles aren't.

I love what Joe Burrow said. I love what Mike Hilton said. Bro, ain't nobody babysitting your ass. You're a grown ass man. Get here, be professional, show up on time, do your job, do what you're supposed to do, and let's go try to win football games. You know what he should do?

I mean, he was sitting on the bench. Did you see, look, I don't know what was said, but he was sitting on the bench next to Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow said something to him and got up, walked away. Jermaine Burton gets up, walks away. Joe Burrow goes sits back down on the bench. No, I ain't see that. I ain't see that.

Take a look at it. He said something. I don't know if he said, don't sit next to me. What are you doing over here? He said something. Cause all I know is he got up and when Burton got up he went back inside down That's all I'm saying now you deduce for whatever you want to deduce from that but technically You know Joe might be upset Joe might be upset because he understands how good he is he understood

Right, but he does understand how good he is and how he can help You know the team and he's hurting the team by not being available, by not doing the little things right. If you can't do the little things like show up, practice, catch the ball, then you won't be able to help us on Sundays. So hopefully he'll get it together and add another dynamic and another weapon to the offense that Joe can use, then Joe's probably frustrated. And when your quarterback gets frustrated, that's not a good thing. That's the wrong person you don't want on your side.

As soon as I sent you the clip. But Joe tried to win games. I love that Joe's holding people accountable. And that's what you have to do. Your best players must hold everybody accountable. Your best players must be have to do. Your best players must hold everybody accountable. Your best player must be your hardest worker. Your best players need to set the standard in which everybody conforms to.

That's what happens. That's how you win. Oh yeah. He said, oh, he said something. Oh, now, okay, now you, he said something. Body language and mannerisms. You could tell something wrong. Body language and mannerisms, You could tell something wrong. Body language and mannerisms.

You could tell something wrong. Yeah, he pissed. Yeah, he was. He says, I don't know, Ocho, we can deduce, but we don't know what he said. But he turned and he said something to Burton. He got up. And when Burton got up, he went back inside down.

Yeah, he hot, boy. Hot. He gonna get right. He gonna get right. He gonna get right. T.M. listen, listen, you probably got enough people in this year already. I don't wanna be one of those.

You got T.J., I'm sure who she's gonna reach out to. But that's why he didn't fall in, that's why he fell in the draft. He had issues at Georgia, he had issues at Alabama. That's why he dropped. We're not making this stuff up. Right, right, right, right, right, right. He dropped, Ocho, and sometimes guys can have red,

that's why they call them red flags, they're warning signs. Sometimes guys have flags and they say, you know what, it's time for me to mature. I'm not a kid, I'm not in college anymore. I'm a professional, I'm a dope. I need to conduct myself as such. And then somebody use it as, hey, that's who I am. Nah, you can't do nothing.

They'll tolerate until they can replace you. Not as though, but listen, your visit can be real short, huh? Nah, you can't do nothing. They're tolerating till they can replace it. Not this level. Listen, your visit can be real short, huh? Your visit can be real short. The Chargers defeat the Browns. Rough day for Jameis, three interceptions. Damn, he might need to have another lacing surgery. One week after Jamus helped engineer

a season best performance, the Browns often struggled against the top defense in the NFL. Cleveland had 57 total yards in halftime. Jamus Winston has now thrown 102 interceptions, the most by any player in 100 career games since Matthew Stafford in 2016. Browns sacked Justin Herbert six times a day,

all of which were in the first half. Wide receiver Quentin Johnson had a career best game of four catches, 118 yards receiving. Oh, he a horn frau, that's Ash. He with Ash, yep. Yes, sir. Fancho, sometimes I wonder what Jamey sees. Yes, I'll show. Sometimes I wonder what Jameau sees. I wish I could look through his eyes

so I can see what he see. Hey, ain't no way you could throw, ain't no way you could throw the ball directly to the other team that many times in your career, Ocho. Ain't no way. I can't even. I need to, I gotta see, I need't even. I need to, I gotta see, I need to see for what I want.

Look, I don't ask for a whole lot. I ain't never wanted to be like another man. My brother, I wanted to be like my brother, but I just want to be able to see in a game. I wish I could see what Jamer sees just for a game. So I could tell him Jamers, that guy got on a different color uniform. He's not your teammate.

Cause the way he be hitting guys between the numbers, he got to be colorblind. He might need to wear gargoyles like ED cause Lacey didn't do him no justice. Damn, huh? Damn. Hey, did you did the interceptions? Were you able to

see each one? Did receivers run wrong routes? Were they covered? Did they get blanketed or he just man, the dude undercut. Uh it looked like it was like too mad and he hit dude right in the chest. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I just I I and you know, there are there are a couple of plays last week if the Ravens could catch the interception. You're right. Kyle Hamilton dropped the interception. That would have sealed the game. They stole, you're right. And I'm like, I just, I don't know, man. I don't know.

I just, I mean, do you know, Ocho, do you know how bad you gotta do be to throw 30 plus interceptions in a season? Yeah, I think listen last week game against the Ravens. I think it's different being that you're kinda preparing for one quarterback and another comes in and then a team has a week to prepare prepare and game plan for you and Standing because your past inconsistencies at a quarterback position. All right. This is what I know we can do and

You know after a week to prepare knowing who the quarterback would be. I mean, this is the kind of game you get You get a three intercepting game knowing who the quarterback would be. I mean, this is the kind of game you get. You get a three interception game. Ooh, 26 or 46, 235, one touchdown, three picks. Damn. 40, they threw the ball 46 times? Mm-hmm. Yeah, boy, I wish I could have played it today, boy.

Yeah, Lee. Yeah, man, he... I don't know. Who the Browns got next? I hope they got an easy game. I hate using the word easy, but do they have a... That's what team, where they... They defense could be pretty good,

but the offense keeps them out there on the field so long, you can wear down. That defense nice boy. That defense nice. Who the Browns got next, Ash? Oh, it's gonna be a Yuckfest. They got the Saints. Oh, shit.

So, Jame is going back to the Saints. Where's this game? So, James is going back to the Saints. What is this game in New Orleans? In New Orleans, yeah. Hey, that's tough. Hey, you know what? I think I'm going to watch highlights of that game. Ain't no way I'm watching that game.

Hey, the players, I don't mean to go back to the previous game, but I hope Derek Carden loses confidence because the players in that locker room, the players on that team have- They done lost confidence in him. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. Because whenever you see players, you know, lash out at the quarterback like that, without really saying his name,

oh, put me at quarterback. And like stuff like that, he done lost him. And then watching Cam Jordan and his reaction, watching Kamara and his reaction. They ain't got no respect for a man. I keep telling people, it's the same thing that, last week when the guy was horse jiving around and he ended up catching the Hail Mary,

you play for your teammates' respect, your coaches' trust, and the fans appreciation. Damn. Those are the three. And if you play for those, everything else will take care of itself. You want your players, the teammates to respect you. You want your coaches to trust you.

And you want the fans to appreciate the effort that you put out. The Panthers beat the Saints 23-22. Chris Olave stretched it off the field after a scary hit. Olave's brother was active on Twitter. Brogith call, he's up and active. One follower said, might be time to have that talk. Might be time to have that is it worth it time to have that, is it worth it talk? Joshua Lave, who's the brother of Chris, it ain't worth it in NOLA.

I'll tell you that. Hey, everybody upset at Derek Carboy. Everybody's upset at Derek Carboy. I saw Cam Jordan, you know, walking away. He didn't even go in the locker room. I think the players upset. I think the players are fed up with his play. Obviously playing a game against the Carolina Panthers.

And when you look at it on your schedule, based on the way they played this year, that's the game you should win. That's the game you should win. And due to the quarterback play and inconsistency at the quarterback position today, they weren't able to pull it off. On that fourth down,

think of what was it, fourth and two? Fourth and four, whatever it might've been. You took my dead card, he thought of go on? What do we do? What do we, what do we? Help me on this. Bro, he make it seem like he been lighten it up all day.

He was 18 to 31. Why? Why is that your first choice? Especially in that scenario. Why do you throw the ball that has the the The least percent. Exactly. That's not making any sense. At least give your team a chance.

At least give them a chance. I don't understand what he was thinking in that situation. And I know, listen, I knew the players hot. I knew the players are hot. You know, I listen. Yeah, you just lost to the worst team. You just lost to the worst team. But hey, Saints, I don't know if y'all noticed this,

but y'all done lost seven straight. So are we sure the Panthers are the worst team in NFL? And it's not the Saints? I know they got talent. You look at Kamara and you look at Olavi, you look at Cam Jordan, you look at Marshawn Latimore, and the Mario Davis and the Honey Badger. I know, I can throw out some names for you.

Think about how they, think about the first two weeks of the season. You're averaging 40 plus points a day. Man, I thought the Saints was finna run the table, boy. I thought they was finna run the table. Derrick Carr looked good. Kamara looked good. The offense looked good.

You know, I've just, I don't know what happened. I don't know what it was. Michael Thomas goes in on Derek Carr being butt. They fired all them coaches trying to cover his flaws up and still he doing the same ish. Dude tried to lie and say I was jealous of them making Chris Olavi wide receiver number one. Whole time he can't even get him a decent ball.

He needed his butt whipped. This year, Buddy Whip, first team All-Pro. That year, his Buddy Whip, first team All-Pro. In 2022, he needed 180 target just to catch 100 passes. He is butt on my granny. Dude's scary and panic, he just throws the ball. Get him the F outta here. He's so, but.

Damn, man. Okay, Derek Carr for you. I've been told y'all ish sad. Saints players pros game reaction show they've officially given up on the season. Cam Jordan, we just lost to the Panthers. I love y'all New Orleans. Truly had high expectations and the best of hopes of us

for us. Y'all deserve it. Kaylin Sanders said fans keep saying loose so we get the number one pick. Hell throw me in the quarterback ish. Let's have some something fun to watch. He then tweeted mofo cheekbones. Hey, buddy. Something fun to watch. He then tweeted, mofo cheekbones. Y'all deserve better. My only goal is to finish above 500 at this point. Rams defeat the Seattle Seahawks 26-20.

Kareem Kitchens, 103 yard pick six, tied the game up in the final minutes. Seahawks tied it up in the final because they blocked the punt and they ended up scoring a touchdown in the final seconds. They got stopped 31 and fourth to one. And the Rams go down to go down the field. The Rams went in a walk off one handed grab by the Marcus Robinson Pukka Nakua got ejected for throwing a punch.

The league office ultimately controls the ejections. And however, Xavier was not getting ejected for sending Chris Olavi to the hospital, but Pukka Nakua gets ejected for throwing a punch, especially when Trent Williams has thrown punches in multiple games without getting ejected. That's what Pro Football Talk tweeted. I can see it. Brian Branch got ejected.

You see that when you deal with subjectivity that's why you know gymnastics or you dealing with diving or you doing things that have judges come into a play these are officials. one official see it one way. But that's normally a call. Ejection normally comes from the lead. And I don't get it. Cause like you said, Trent Williams, man Trent Williams almost took a new head on two weeks ago.

You have to remember it. But I don't think he realized who he had punched. I know he didn't think he was gonna be able to put T-Dub and he go get away with it. Man, if you notice, don't people don't play with Dub? He must have shown one time, he ain't the guy that you get to face somebody do it. Cause he gonna do it.

Don't tell him hit me. Yeah. I don't know. I think the, the, the, the, the league is going to have to like ask the answer to question. Why was it a dude ejected that hit a lobby? So it's gonna be a very interesting, a very interesting answer that they give.

If they gonna make the call and start ejecting people, they have to be consistent with it. They gotta be consistent. The Titans defeat the Patriots, 2017. Drake May Heroic sends the game into overtime. May Heroic would have end after throwing an interception with two minutes left in overtime. May did some magical things to send the game in overtime,

but two constant mistakes of strip sack and an interception in overtime provided the ultimate learning experience for the number three pick of the draft. I thought they was gonna do it, Ocho. I thought they were going to do it. I did too. I did too. Drink Mate? Hey, you got to cut them interceptions out, baby. They're not good enough to overcome? You got to cut them interceptions out. Simply because of what you just said.

You can't overcome the interceptions. No, you don't have that kind of team. You there been very, I mean, think about it. That's why the Patriots so good. Because Brady didn't beat them. Brady didn't they didn't beat themselves. Brady didn't put the ball in harm's way. Even when he had exceptional defenses. He didn't put the ball in harm's way because now you eat. Now you neutralize it. Now you drop yourself, you lower yourself to the competition.

No, we're better than you. We're not going to help your cause. So no, if you beat us, you're going to beat us doing your own, you know, playing us. We're not going to give you turnovers and increase your opportunities to beat us. That's not not gonna happen. But, yep. So, the Titans, Titans two and six, Patriots two and seven. Both bad, huh?

I feel like, man, you know what? Hey, if they need some help, man, I could be out there, I could play a little quarterback. Now, you know, I played quarterback at Beach. No, you good. Blue 80. Blue 80. Check, check, check.

You ain't pointing to the mic. I just pointed to the mic, man. What you talking about? I just pointed to the mic. I just pointed to the mic. Man, what you talking about? I just pointed to the mic. Okay. You want to call his number out? Call his number out. Mike 52.

Mike 52. Hey, hey, watch the safety coming down. Watch that white safety. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, motion, motion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Motion. Motion. Motion. Yeah, man. I'm telling you, boy. Boy. That's what they need. They need somebody like me at quarterback, man. The Volume

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