Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Ravens OT win, Jayden Daniels MVP, Davante Adams trade rumors

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap week 5 of the NFL season. Top stories include Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry and the Baltimore Ravens thrilling OT win against Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals, Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels looking like an MVP candidate, Davante Adams trade rumors and much more!03:13 - Chiefs’ Rashee Rice Injury Status07:00- Davante Adams Trade Rumors13:30 - Jayden Daniels exceeds expectations19:15 - Ocho and Shannon speculate on Stefon Diggs gossip24:10 - Ravens beat Bengals in overtime38:10 - Unc is running out of words about Deshaun Watson50:30 - Bryce Young takes first snap in a game since being benched54:30 - Don’t you call Ocho delusional now58:45 - Packers suspend Romeo Doubs(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Saints. They're undefeated in their quest to be the first team in NFL history to win three straight Super Bowls. The Chiefs received some good news today, Ocho, regarding Rashid Rice status. Ann Rapoport reported that Rice's LCL may be the only ligament that needs to be repaired. Shepter reported it's unlikely Chief Rasheed Rice will play again this season, but doctors will not know for sure until they do the surgery.

He's going under anesthesia. They're gonna look around and see what they find and what they repair would determine the extent of the injury and how much downtime. What should the chief do? Hey, Miami, y'all want to trade us Tyreek back? I'm going to Tyreek first because he knows good offence. They don't need to. I'm going to put that out there.

Not based off what I saw tonight. Not based off what I saw tonight. You don't need to. Oh, no, no, that's not good enough. That's not good enough. I don't know if you'll beat the Ravens again. But they only got exactly worth it. Tyree is that fear factor. Hey, I want to see he's scared. He ain't the boogeyman. I want, I want nothing. He's scared.

He ain't the boogeyman. He ain't, I want the boogeyman. I want you afraid to come outside. I want to, hey man, you got Tyree. Nah, nah bro. Could you imagine a team. Now think about when Hollywood, Hollywood Brown come back. Think about if they did get Tyree.

Think about Anne Xavier worthy at the same time. Come on, man. So matter of fact, you know, if Tyree was to come back, just say, hypothetically speaking, how about we just hand them the goddamn Lombardi now? Okay. Cause you're not, you're not stopping that. You're not, you're not stopping that. I don't think there's a defense or a scheme or a team that has put together

well enough has the personnel to stop something like that. No. No. So you reach out to Miami and see if they're interested with Tyreek. Then I'll probably go. This ain't mad. You trying to create a bad ultimate team.

Me personally, I don't. Huh? But here's the, but no, I'm just saying all that punch on close mouth don't get fed now Jerry said he thought Henry was too expensive, but did he see That's like you going you going to the you going to the club or something and that fine girl over there man She probably got somebody but listen if you have a girl over there, and'd never forget the game of soccer. Just because there's a goalie in that doesn't mean you can't score. Exactly. So go over there and ask her. Guess what? She might be on the out. They might have just broke up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He

might have just some flosh. You got to be, hey, yeah, yeah. He just got to be a thing about it. She want to look back. And she probably, all she can do is tell me that man, you know, I've been told no, but I want to hear a say it though. You like that? No, I, no. Do you know how many times I was told? No, that I ain't gonna be ish that I ain't gonna do nothing. And if you go to college, you ain't gonna do you ain't gonna do what you did in high school.

If you go to the NFL, I don't been, no, it ain't no thing to me. But hey, guess what? She say, yeah. Man, I be clicking my heels like Dorothy. Rumors surrounding Devontae Adams and talks of him being traded away from Las Vegas are ramping up. According to K. Adams, he will not be on our show Tuesday as originally scheduled.

She tweeted, Oh boy, lots happening at the moment with our guy Adam. He won't be on tomorrow. Sorry about that. Stay tuned. Today, Adam Schiff, the name the Jets, the Saints are the most likely landing spots for Devonte Adams services. I mean, it makes the most sense in the most sense. We know why the Saints, but I don't think the best fit for him would be the Saints, being that they have their targets already in Olabe and Rashid Shaheed. But what makes sense to me to help both of those orphans over in New York is Aaron Rodgers. I mean, it just, it makes the most sense, you know, and I think if he is to come, I think he will restructure, uh, and promising that he'll be there, obviously more than, more,

more than one year, because I think Aaron will probably come back another year as well. Um, because, because of the injury that, uh, the previous year, but just, I mean, it's, the writing is on the wall. The writing is on the wall. I'm sure Aaron behind closed or they try to do everything you can to get, to get, uh, the jets, to get a Devante on down there. And it gives them a chance. It gives them a chance. I think if you have Aaron Rogers, you brought him there for a reason. So you might as well get them all the twos you want to, to see how far you guys can go. They FC, they have to eat right now. I mean,

it's up for grabs. It's up for grabs. So why not improve your offense and go take it? All that being said, Aaron's going to have to play better than Ocho. Oh, yeah. Yeah, most definitely. He's not playing well. Especially based on what we saw last night. And the week before against the Broncos. And the week before that, yeah. He hasn't played well.

Even if you go back to the first game, now he played well in one game, but other than that, he hadn't played well, even if you go back to the first game. Now he played well in one game, but other than that, he hadn't played well. He's going to have to play better because remember Ocho, he was supposed to be the reason why they're winning, not why they're losing. And so their defense is, look, their defense isn't historically great, but they're playing well enough. Well enough, yeah. He's not holding up his end of the deal. defense isn't historically great, but they're playing well enough. Well enough. Yeah. He's not holding up his end of the deal. I'm not breaking news guys.

This is not an amber alert where Shannon Sharp is breaking news about Aaron Rodgers being bad. He's not playing well and we can acknowledge that. A lot of people don't want to acknowledge that, but I think athletes want you to be honest with them. I believe you could be honest without beating them over the head. It's okay. Yeah. And the funny thing about it is, you know what I like about Aaron, which I think most

of the time, or maybe maybe he doesn't, he took accountability for that. He said he has to play well. I mean, he said it most times they deflect and point the fingers at other people, you know, but the fact that he was able to take it kind of, you know what, I didn't play well. I didn't play like myself. So I mean, we're gonna see what happened. I'm not sure who they're playing.

I'm not sure who the Jets are playing next, but hopefully he has a better showing. What a question. Is the Lions gonna have a fire sale? What about Max Crosby? Does he want to stay? Does he want out? Yeah.

The boy, they must run somebody get him. Can you imagine? He'll raise the Ojo. Oh yeah. He really time. Big time. He reminds me of Jared Allen. You remember Jared Allen? I was just getting ready to say Jared Allen. Remember every time Jared Allen got a sack, he would steal the cow and tie him up.

Yeah. Kansas City and Minnesota. I think he played one year in Carolina, too. But that's where he cut. That's where he made a name for himself with Kansas City and Minnesota. But. Well, look, I just won't. I won't Devontae to get somewhere where he can, you know, play out his last because what he got two more years left on that contract. He's in the third year of a five year deal. Right.

So he needs to get somewhere. And obviously, he's going, you know, look for what Shepter is reporting, it looks like. The Jets and Saints. Yeah, and listen, it needs to happen sooner than later. It needs to happen sooner than later. All these most recent podcasts, Michael Parsons said he thinks the Jets is where Devante is going to land.

I think that relationship with the J Jess is going to come to life. Michael said that Devontae brings a winning culture after predicting that he would head to New York. Yeah, I like it. It makes the most sense. I mean, it just it just makes the most sense. If it's another team outside of that, to me, I mean, it just I just I don't I don't understand it. I wouldn't understand it.

But the fact that he got out, Ocho, that he wants out, he's brought down, he's suppressed his value, because I know you gotta get rid of him. See, Ocho, anything I know you're trying to sell, I ain't finna give you, I'm not finna give you market price for it, because I know you gotta get rid of it. Because you know why I know you gotta get rid of him? Because he wants out, and he'll cause you a problem

if he doesn't get out. Not publicly, not going to do anything. But remember, and I told you off the air, I said, I believe AP was talking about Devontae Adams when he said guys are making business decisions and we will make business decision moving forward. Right. I believe I could be totally wrong, but I believe that's what we was talking about. Yeah, I'm not sure. Ain't no telling because I wasn't able to see the film. I think if I was able

to see the film, I'd be able to tell you exactly who was making those business decisions. And, what would that happen? The tweet. Devontae Adams played his last game. the tweet Devontae Adams played his last game somebody that either runs his account or AP like that tweet oh that's right that's right I know somebody I know somebody yeah yeah I remember that I remember that cause if somebody's saying something if somebody's saying something about Ocho and somebody from rail account like that tweet. You're like, hold on. Rail, you like that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to have a little conversation.

You see? We'll be on, we'll be on, sister. Yeah, we'll be on. You like the tweet that they talking reckless out here about your boy and you like that tweet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got something you want to tell me? The commander's quarterback,

Jayden Daniels, has exceeded expectations to begin his rookie season, including those from his own teammate. Terry McClory talked about the quarterback's hot start with Albert Brear saying, I did not anticipate him coming in and hitting the ground running like that. I played with a few quarterbacks and definitely a few rookies. Sometimes it takes some time to get comfortable in an NFL system, not just at practice. Then you go into the game and it's a different animal. What's always encouraged me about him is his ability to get better every day

in practice. When we would have a social practice, the next day he would not make making the same mistakes twice. Same thing in joint practice. Then you get into the game and you see him getting better each and every week. I think it's a testament to the experience that he had in college. But it's also his preparation he puts in that dude worked so hard. He's always prepared. Yeah. I think it also has to do with where he came, where he came, what school he came, what school he's coming from.

Being under the big lights, being at LSU, used to the large crowds, coming from a college team that is preparing you for the next level anyway. So all you had to do was do just that, hit the ground running. Based on everything you've taken from there there everything you've learned since your adolescence Since you've been playing quarterback You come on to the nfl you put the right people around you if you're in the right situation You get what you're getting from jane daniels at such an early age Even as I mean such early age at such early time even as a rookie

But he had 55 starts so Joe. Do you know how many stars that he has in college? Yeah, yeah. That's a good thing. Most college quarterbacks, they'll red shirt, play two years, they go home. Yeah. That's why he looked the lead. Let's just say, if you play for the national championship, you're probably playing 14 or 15 games. Obviously he didn't play for the national championship.

So he's playing, basically he's been a starter every since he walked into college Yeah To get that many starts Mm-hmm Yeah, so It's extremely impressive It goes to show you the work that he's put in

Daniels and completing 77.1% of his passes, the highest among all starting quarterback. He said a single game rookie completion record during week Washington's re three win over the Bengals connected on 91.3% of his throws. Young bull looked like he'd been there before, man. That's the only way him and him and him and CJ shroud. They look like they've been there before. They do. And if you can believe this, he's playing better than CJ did last year

because CJ didn't pick up his play to like week three, week four, week five. This joker came out the gate. Gerard Mayo had a noticeably different tone about his quarterback room after week five. Many have wondered if, when, he'll make the change from veteran quarterback Jacobi Brissette to rookie Drake May. Last week, when Mayo was asked about the possibility of quarterback change,

he said, Jacobi is 100% our starter. Today, he said, every single day we're all being evaluated and it's no different. Now the Patriots have fallen to one and four on the season after dropping their fourth consecutive game on Sunday in the loss to Miami, the new England muster, just 10 points while Jacobi Brissette completed 18 or 34 passes, 160 yard. Oh Joe is a, in the words of Sam Cooke, I would hope not. Brissette can't get it done as a veteran.

Don't put your rookie quarterback out there. Don't put your rookie quarterback out there like things are going to miraculously change just because he's at the helm. He's a rookie. He's a rookie for a reason. Now, T.J. Shroud, different. Jay Daniels, different.

Understand what they have around them to make that offense go. Hell, if you change some of the weaponry for Jacoby Resett, I'm sure things will be different. You're one in four, you're one in four for a reason. You're one in four for a reason. And I don't think changing to a rookie as your quarterback ain't going to change much anything. Now you might want to, I was just going to say that. Now you might want to stick him out there. Let the man get some experience. Get them that experience, but you know what happened with the experience to you know what has to happen to him. Yeah, but.

Yes, you know, thanks for one thing about it. But like you say, you don't learn that you got to even been there. You got you got it. Once you make that change. And you may take you can go back. Oh, yeah. What you want you once you go to a break, may. Oh, yeah. back back. Oh yeah. Once you go to Drake May. Oh yeah. He does. He's quarterback. He's quarterback for the rest of the year. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Oh Joe

Callamari announced a partnership with Cod. C-O-D Call of Duty. Yeah. In a statement, Callum said to the trolls who mean me into the bag. Thank you. I'm officially enlarging my Call of Duty partnership. We talked about Callum so much. People made complaints about the trolls who mean me into the bag. Thank you. I'm officially largely my call. We talked about Cala so much people made complaints about him playing a video game so much it drove him right into right into a sponsorship, right into an endorsement. What's that? That's a good thing. That's a good thing, because the way he's playing right now. Yeah, young fella, go ahead, man. You could play a little you could play a little COD.

You can play a little play, play a little video game. Just get the ball to Marvin Harris and Junior, baby. That's all you got to do. He's playing good. He's playing good. OK. Go ahead. What happened? What happened? You all right? Who? I don't even know what to do with this The

Interest I know Steph according to academic I'm telling you Steph if I don't get my a6 That you collab with I promise you you gonna get with James Harrison gonna get I'm telling you I'm telling you I want my ace telling you. I'm telling you, I want my ace. I'm a 10 and a half. Well. Huh? It's been reported that this day, Stefan, he stepped off in something. It's been reported that allegedly Cardi B cheated on offset with Stefan Diggs

while she was eight months pregnant. How we know? We weren't even there. We weren't there. You can't believe that. You can't believe that. Stay out of here. I don't know, Ocho. Ocho. I don't know about that. Ocho. Now, your woman, your wife, your significant other, your girl pregnant, that's one thing. But eight months, somebody else girl. I don't believe it. I don't know. I think I think it's just that a rumor.

Steph wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. Huh? I'm just saying, well, hey, if that's the case, he got the right last name, did he? Because he would dig it. My bad, my bad's the case, he got the right last name, because he would dig it. I'm just that. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad.

Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad.

Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad.

Oh, my bad. Oh, my bad. Oh, like that, man. He wouldn't do nothing like that. He wouldn't do nothing like like that. Like that, just come on, man. I just I don't I don't even like the rumor. I don't I don't like the person that even started the rumor to really step on, you know, and assassinate his character like that anyway in the first place, you try and you try my dog. How about he come on, man, man, little brother.

I don't even get out like that. You feel me you try my dog. How about he come on, man, man, look, bro. Don't even get out like that. You feel me? Eight months now, now, maybe maybe if you maybe if you want to move on, we should. That's a different story, you know, you know, Stefan Diggs is like, he's like the like, like Zach, Zach Efron in his prime, you know, all, all the women, all the women love him, you know, all the women love it, you know, you know, he's very fashionable. He's charismatic.

He has a, he has a good personality, you know, uh, I mean, shit, you know, you know, he has his opportunities and can, even if there's a goal or a goalie in net, he can score, you know, he's, he'sie in net, he can score. You know, he's one of those, he can score. So, you know, I just don't see it based on the situation and the circumstance at hand. Eight months, him, nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what yeah.

Maybe two he don't know. That's one thing, but eight? Nah, nah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what yeah Maybe to he don't know that's one thing. Hey, nah, nah But hey listen step no step step on yeah, oh yeah big props Ah, you'll get be gonna have bigger problems if I don't get them goddamn basics Shit, I ain't got time man. I've been working on these hands, too. Oh, okay Shit. I ain't got time. Man, I've been working on these hands too. Oh, okay. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars

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So join us every week as we break down episodes of the challenge 40 battle of the eras. Listen to MTV's official challenge podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, James Brown, BB King, Miriam Makeba. I shook up the world. James Brown said, said love. And Makeba said, I'm black and I'm proud. Black boxing stars and black music royalty together in the heart of Zaire, Africa.

Three days of music and then the boxing event. What was going on in the world at the time made this fight as important that anything else is going on on the planet. My grandfather laid on the ropes and let George Foreman basically just punch himself out. Welcome to Rumble, the story of a world in transformation. The 60s and prior to that,

you couldn't call a person black. And how we arrived at this peak moment. I don't have to be what you want me to be. We all came from the continent of Africa. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman and the soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Ravens beat the Bengals in overtime 41-38. Lamar Jackson spearheaded the comeback double digits multiple times in the fourth quarter, but Lamar Jackson would not let this team lose.

Lamar picked apart the banged up bingo secondary to the tune of 348 yards. He also had passed for four touchdowns and he rushed for 55 yards in the first five periods of the game. The Ravens put up 520 yards on 31st down. They needed every one of the big division win after the game. Burrow said it was frustrating that a team that started the year with title aspirations is nowhere close. We're not a championship level team right now.

We're not. I like to think that we'll come back and prove throughout the season to get to that point. But right now we're not. We have to get it together. Ochoa, do you want to change your playoff condition? Listen, we in a hole, huh? But we in a hole.

I feel bad as a Bango fan, as a Bango player, as a former player. The game was good though. Offensively, the game was good. It was good to see that offense look like it should have looked starting in week one. It was good to see that bangle's offense. Look how they always look by the time you get to week three

and so on. Defense, still a little shaky. Still a little shaky. Well, I mean, we, we shaky shaky. A little shaky. We shaky shaky. I don't, I don't know what the, I don't know what the statistics or the stats are,

but we might be when it comes to stopping the run or end the pass, we might be damn that at the bottom half of the league, at the bottom half of the league in both of those categories. But from an off in the standpoint, what you saw from T Higgins today, what you saw from Yoshi, what you saw from from goddamn Jamar Chase,

who's showing you that's why you pay him. Even if he has two years on his contract, I can take the ball, I can take small smoke screens and take him 77 yards. I can go deep. I can do everything no matter where we at. Just put the ball in those hands. Then we get the overtime. When we get to overtime, you have a 250 million dollar

fucking quarterback. That's not the time to play conservative. You put the ball in your 250 million dollar quarterback's hands and allow him to win you the game when it matters most. Like you said, the game of four all is all about moments in a moment like that. And a game that you need to win an important division game. You allow your $250 million quarterback, the earned a goddamn check. Hold on all game on all game. We're all game. We've been very successful. We dishin', we dishin', we dunkin', we doin' everything.

But all of a sudden, when it matters most, everybody ass got tight. You run the ball three times in a row. Hold on, now you run the ball three times in a row, right? And you put the pressure on McPherson to make a 50 yard field goal. We could just ran a normal offense. You've been running all game.

That's been working all game. Open up your playbook. You got your quarterback. Come on now. I will hot. Why are we conservative and we're supposed to be trying to win the game? You already won in three 30 kids and sing out the motherfuckers man. It's all time.

Run your offense. Daniel, that's how you feel it. Godly. I'm looking at some of the goddamn stats. Hey, touchdown passes. Joe burrow 12. He lead me in a fail passer rating. Joe burrow first 113.8. He lead them in a FL and completion percentage.

Joe Burrow, 72.2%. He's second, pass yards 1370. He's third, 40 plus completions, yardage. He's tied for first. So what does that tell you? What does that tell you just based off the stats and what are you doing at the quarterback position despite it not reflecting what the record may show.

When he has the ball in his hands, he's getting it done from a quarterback perspective. It just not enough because we motherfucking wanted for, but again, and overtime, what do we do? We take the ball out the man's hands and we give it to the running back three times, first down, second down, third down. Are we not trying to win the back three times first down second down third down. Are we not trying to win the game? Are we running the ball? Why playing conservative in that? Come on man give at least give us a chance. At least at least give us a chance. I mean we paid him that kind of money for a reason.

Can I ask you a question? What role did that interception play in the Ravens getting back into this ball game? It played a big role. It played a big role. It played a big role. I'm going to be honest with you. And listen, when you say something. Are we going to gloss over that?

I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that.

I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to gloss over that. I'm going to right you can't you can't make those kind of mistakes Okay, let me go ahead of costing my things because the fact that they made that mistake I think that's another reason why they took the ball out his hands and ran the goddamn ball overtime to make sure The mistake didn't happen again What do I do so what what I just want to know Right from a from a play call I didn't want to know why y'all mad at me. So, oh, he got five touchdowns. Okay, Ocho, you know your defense currently

is not playing very good. The last thing you can do is turn that ball over. You can't do that. So now keep moving it, keep moving the ball down the field. Even if you sell them a fee to settle for a field goal. Now they need a touchdown to be right as opposed to a field goal to tie you. The five touchdowns. Yes, he's playing well. I glass the difference is that what are you going to blame Joe Burrow?

Last week he set up for he set up for field goals. He got two field goals before he got those three touchdowns. The Washington commanders got touchdowns when he was getting field goals. They were getting touchdowns. That's the difference. Okay. They had two double digit leads in the fourth quarter. At one point time, the score was 24 to 10 24 14, let me take that back 24 14 24 14 because the Ravens it was 14 9

They got a touchdown to what? Yes. It was 24 14 in the fourth and Lamar Jackson Went to that phone booth changed into that cake and became Superman again At some point time old joke is not about you. you can look at the numbers. We used to kill Peyton. Peyton had gotty numbers every year and everybody would say stats are for losers. Because John Brady would throw for 200 yards and win the ball game. Peyton have 300. Peyton will play a team. He throw for three, 400 yards, they lose. Stats are for losers. But it's funny how it changed if we like somebody. Joe Burrow is a very likable guy. I've met him a couple of times. He's great.

He's a great young man. But at the end of the day, Ocho, you know what it comes down to. You can't make those kinds of mistakes that he made knowing that my defense is not very good currently. Because think about it. If they're going up and down the field driving seven and 80 yard, what the hell you think you're going to do if you put them on a short field?

Yeah. They go get the ball in zone. They got very conservative. He scared them. Zach Taylor got scared. He turned them all over late in the fourth quarter. They tied a ball game and now instead of Ocho, instead of like going for it. But you can't do that though.

They pulled a rain from a coach standpoint. Listen, I'm at no position because I ain't no goddamn coach. All I do is play goddamn mad. But from the outside, looking and understanding how we're doing as a team collectively, understand how our defense is not really playing well. They're not playing well. They're not playing well against the run. They're not playing well against the pass.

Who do I put the ball? Who do I put? You put it as it, even with the mistake. You put the mistake for the turnover in the fourth quarter. You have no choice. There's a reason we paid him the money we paid him because at times like that, in moments like this, we need a win. You put it in his hands.

The office had been looking good all goddamn day. Just run your regular offense on you. You can't pull the reins and then have your ass tight when it matters most because that gets you beat. That got us beat. Even with the even with the pick, we had the opportunity to win the game. I mean, Joe was 30 or 39, three 92, five touchdowns. He normally plays well against the Ravens. I think he has a 500 yard passing day.

He has a 400 something yard passing day. So he normally plays well, but in that situation in your running game, Ocho 23 for 71, you really haven't. Now, I'm not saying it's not going to get better, but as of right now, you haven't replaced Joe Mixon. What he gave you in the run game, you had a couple of false starts that set you back behind the eight ball, kill some of your momentum.

But you just got to find a way to win these games. T and Chase were unbelievable. They had 276 yards combined on 19. They had 16 targets. No, they had 12, 26 targets, 19 catches, 276 and four touchdowns. Well, your star guys, skill position players, they did what they're supposed to be.

They did what they were supposed to be they did what they were supposed to do They did the thing. Yeah, sometimes it come down to one play interception now Cuz you probably you might have could have run the clock out because the one thing I don't want to have happened with the way I see the heart Jackson player. I don't want to give him the ball back coach. Oh, I Don't want to get back to it. It's the guy Lamar Jackson Joe Burrow Patrick Mahomes guys like that Okay, hold up man, man, they don't came back. They only one score down. We can't give them that ball back

He gonna find a way now First of all you got you know, that was a face mask on Joe Andrews. You got face mask to vote Joe and the referee Andrews, you got face mask, and the referee standing right there. He came up off of the fast man. Andrews was doing this as he was getting tackled. I think it was Pratt making the tackle. No, not that deal. Yeah, I think he just got hit.

Yeah, he was. He was making the tackle. Andrews was screaming. Andrews got the ball in one hand, he face masked me. He face masked me. But it was a very exciting game. This is what, you know, it was a shootout in the AFC North. We don't normally get games like this.

It's normally a black and blue division. It's normally more physical. But when you got these types of quarterbacks, Ocho, and I don't want to pat myself on the back. But what did I tell the Ravens, how to use Derrick Henry? And over time, you tell them people at home, and over time what they do.

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Lamar Jackson bobbled a snap. He's still farm Sam Hubbard not, but twice as he's running, rolling off balance, falling out of bounds. He discarded a pass rusher, took a shot to the face, extended a play and threw a touchdown pass to Isaiah Likely. How Lamar? How? Listen, I tweeted it too. You saw it, LJ.

I said, I tweeted it too. When the game was going, I said, well, God damn it, Lamar just won't go away. That young boy is unbelievable. I've been watching Lamar. She was at Boyden beach high school. I used to go wide. You used to go and watch just to see like he was a superstar.

He was a superstar back then. What are you doing? The NFL now I've been seeing that before even got to Louisville. He was doing the same thing at Boyden beach, But he don't eat a real deal, man. I just, man, that hurt, man. We had an opportunity. We had it right here. It was in our hands.

And I was at Twin Peaks. You know, I watched the football game at Twin Peaks because they put on multiple TVs for the one o'clock games at once so I can enjoy them, right? There was a table of Ravens fans that sat adjacent to me where I was sitting, you know, about two, three tables over. And every time we made a play, you know, I look on down there.

Yeah, I look on down there. I ain't talking no trash now. I ain't talking no trash, because I ain't want to put my foot in my mouth. And when we covered that fumble, when we covered that fumble in we covered that from an overtime. I told the waitress, I like, Miss, you could put this this coconut ice. You can give me a to go cup of styrofoam cup right before they kick the ball.

I went over to the section and I sat there and I just smile. I didn't even say I just smiled because we're going to get this kick and we're going to win. Oh, when that goddamn place over Bob with that snap and I damn what you know, the Raven fans went crazy I would hurt That that hurt there. Yeah Because you know the momentum swung you guys had the momentum after Lamar former the ball in overtime now you guys got the momentum had the momentum after Lamar fumbled the ball in overtime. Now you guys got the momentum.

Heartbreaker. Ochio, I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro. I'm running out of words, Ochio. At some point in time, Ochio, just gotta stop now. Cleveland has the top more than 18 points in the game this season. The Browns in a week five with the worst third down offense in the NFL, and they failed. They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts today with

Deshawn in the game. I got a question. At some point in time, Ocho. What's the issue? What's the issue? Is it mental? Is it the play it, is it, is it mental? Is it, is it the play calling? I mean, what do you think it is? And I'm confused. Huh? I've been watching football for a long time, for a very long time. And the, and the nose dive in the nose dive that, that I've seen from a personal standpoint of RDB, maybe a top three quarterback when he was with, with the Tex to what the version of the Sean Jackson I'm sorry that the version of the Sean Watson I'm seeing now That's how in such a short amount of himself such a short time. How?

Barring an injury the only time the only time oh Joe I did say I've seen this kind of drop-off From any kind of player. Hold on is through injury Injury, if you have a significant injury that would explain it. I could offer you Ocho man You know the man towards he towards patellar tendon. Oh, so, you know the man towards Achilles He had back-to-back ACL surgery. Oh Joe, you know the man, Torrie Lachile. He had back to back ACL surgery. Oh Joe, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone. So that would explain the cataclysmic drop in his plate. But I don't see an injury that would cause it.

It's mental, it's mental, huh? This is up here. Listen, do you know how hard that is to get back, especially at that position? At the quarterback position, the court, hey listen listen, yes, because everything because it's mentally here. And at the quarterback position, you got the ball in your hands every time. So your judgment and your mind, it already got to be clear because if you judgment in your mind and you're not healthy as well on top of that.

You'll never be you'll never be able to play well. You'll never be able to excel in that position. Like I was thinking about it. I'm looking at I'm thinking about it early. Well, God, damn, I'm looking at what they're in the Browns that Mark Cooper. You got Nick, you got Nick Chubb coming back soon. Maybe I think maybe two weeks, maybe maybe one more. And Joku and Joku, you.

Elijah, you bought him a young bull. Damn, I'm going blank right now. You got to board him a young boy, Jerry, Judy, you know. I'm like, OK, we good. Yeah, we good. We I'm talking about we good. I'm just saying from as a fan, as a fan of the Sean Watson, as a fan of some of these young bulls over there, man, that I enjoy watching.

I'm like, OK, they don't compete. They don't compete. They don't have a chance, you know, in the FC North. And it just is not what I envision based on what I've seen in the past. And I really can't put I can't put my hands on it on why they look the way They don't even move the same Okay, he don't even move the same you don't look the same in the pocket and and and and I think you know look I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything, but I think that yeah that that way a lot on his mind

I think a way to a hell of a lot on his mind and He what he's he hasn't been the same and I think everybody knows that I'm not great. Oh Joe you and I not breaking news Everybody knows they saw the guy he led the league his last year starting in Houston. He led the NFL and passing yards. He did that. I'm not so sure Dishon, he's a 28, 29, 30, 31st, 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently.

Look at Joe Flacco in Indy. Look at what Joe Flacco did in Cleveland. Joe Flacco Joe Flacco is if I that. Oh, yes. Yes, it's because I think sometimes, oh, Joe, when you have. Yeah. An image. And. And then all of a sudden, that image is not what was being portrayed. And people started like, you start to think.

How do they how do they look at me now? How do they perceive me? Mm hmm. And that plays with you because you're out in the public. It's. If somebody I would have been so I'd have lost a lot of money, Ocho, if somebody would have said, Shannon, he's never going to be the same thing. I bet you had your mind. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

I'm a hold on. Is he going to have a shadow? He's not going to have a career threatening injury. He's not going to have anything. No, he just not. I would bet it on injury. He's not going to have anything. Nope. He just not. I would have bet it on. I would have bet it with the quickness too. I know, I know it. I know what I've seen from him.

I know what I've seen and I've just, I've just never seen. Um, um, um, performance decline in such a fast rate, especially when you have better, a better support cast in which you had Houston. And he's young. And it wasn't like he's 30. The Sean is 30. Is he 30?

He can't because he came up. He's 29. I got a better question for you. He just turned 29. How do we get him back to the old Sean? How do we fix the problem? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues?

How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? How do we fix the issues? I got a I got a better question for you. Just turn 29. Oh, I didn't get him back to the oldest Sean How do we fix the problem? How do we how do we fix the issues?

Let me ask you a question In professional sports, when have you seen a guy have this kind of precipitous drop and bounce back up? Name the sport Football basketball baseball Name the sport. Football, basketball, baseball. Ain't never happened, huh? Yeah, man. It's hard, Ocho, because so much of sports is physical. Yes, we've seen guys that had talent,

but if you're weak minded, mentally, that's where you have to be the strongest. What do they say? The best athletes have what? The strongest mentality. You got to be. Because that's everything. You have to have a self-belief that I'm the baddest mofo on this field, this court, this diamond, this whatever the case may be, whatever this field, this court, this diamond, this whatever the case move, whatever your avenue, this court, what Serena, whatever your arena is, you have the mindset that I'm the baddest mofo here.

Dang. Cause a lot, bro, Tom Brady ain't the most talented quarterback. Not even close. He might not be in the top one as far as talent. I'm talking about, I'm talking about physical talent. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about the ability to run, jump, uh, uh, arm strength. That's what they beat you at. That's what they beat you at.

That's what they beat you at. Hitman Peyton. That's your mind. Drew Brees. That's where they beat you at, huh? They beat you upstairs. All that coach speak to Tom, oh man, that's a great, Tom listen, and I tend to tell people, how do you know? I said, I'm telling you how they think. Let me tell you, we did a lot of this too. They gonna tell you what a great team that is, and they're really, really tough. They're really disciplined. They're really well

coached. But in that closed door behind that meeting, Belichick is telling me we're gonna kick their ass and Tom Brady is in that meeting telling Matt Pratt and we're going to kick their ass. They don't deserve to be on the field, but we're gonna keep hyping them up. He actually believed that and what great leaders can do, they can convince others around them to believe just like they are They believe just what Tom was so great and so believable Guys we're gonna keep we're gonna do this we're gonna do this man. You hear what Tom said man. We're down 14 We're going to do this.

Man, you hear what Tom said? Man, we're down 14 times. They were coming back. Yeah, we coming back. Yeah, we coming back. That's how it works. I don't think the Sean, I don't think his what happened. Same thing. Look at Ben Simmons.

Oh, look at Ben Simmons in basketball. Oh Joe, all defensive, all star, all NBA rookie of the year. Yeah, he got hurt, but his mentality was is that what happened in Philly. Y'all remember I said, I said, he'd never going to be the same. His coach criticized him and the best player on the team criticized him. But stuff like that shouldn't break you. That's motivated right there. That's motivated.

I ain't, what, I am who? Coach, you have to understand. You don't think I'm who? Oh, okay, bet. Let me ask you a question. Okay. Yeah. It's the, it's the, it's four to five.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. They call a place for you. Hold on, hold on. You say, hey, what down? What down it is? OK, OK, I'm lined up. It's forced and fine. Oh, we're not. No, we're in the huddle.

No, they call the play. They say, oh. Let's say we will call 200 J. Excellent. That's you. You to ask. No, no, but this is what you do. You You done lost your confidence so bad, you like Carson. Oh hell nah. So TJ the ball. Hey you got hell nah, you got me fucked.

Boy, boy fourth and five, and you know it's four down and they finna play man to man? Man, stop playing that. You remember that game when they played Atlanta? They passed Ben Simmons the ball. Oh, hey, when he had the layup and he passed it off? I remember the play exactly. See that? I remember that.

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Oh, so you mean to tell me the quarterback situation that don't change anything, huh? Huh? On the first play he brought time and Scrabble found Miles Sanders open for a 27 yard game. Canales did a fantastic job and said Andy Dogg will remain the starter for next week against the Falcons after the game Bryce Young asked if the current situation lit a fire put it here. Come on. What'd you think go Joe? political politically correct He's saying he's saying he's saying all the right things but maybe that is just him though You can tell from his you know, his manner that way the way the way he carries himself. That's his personality, Ocho.

Yeah, I see. I can see. That's his personality. I can see. Cool dude, real soft spoken. Real soft spoken. It just, you know, I think he gonna get the opportunity again. I just hope his confidence is that whenever that opportunity

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I don't care who the quarterback ain't nobody. Look, you better be paid manning or Tom Brady. I mean, make this, make these receivers. They got, they got somening or Tom Brady. I mean, this is a big receiver. They got they got some nice. They got I mean, they got they got some boys over there. Now, once they get out, once they get Adam Thiel back, they got your leg. They got Mingo. You know, they got some boys.

They got the I think they got the I think Johnson. He had one target one kid. They got some nice, you know, some nice little pieces. They just got to put that together. They got, they got to put it together. And then when you have a, when you have, when you have question marks at a quarterback position, that means the receiver position and the tight ends have to be that much better than the quarterback. It got to be, it got to be.

And that's why, that's why he doesn't stand a chance because they're not nice. Oh, they're not that much better. He ain't throwing he throwing the Kelsey and LaPorta and Kittle and guys like that. He's not throwing the Justin Jefferson and chase and guys like that. Even if you want to go, even if you take those top 10 guys out and go to the next year, what, what guy, if I give you, if I give you how many receivers you're gonna go to before you take Deontay Johnson.

Leg it, I get it, he's a rookie. But how many receivers and tight ends are you gonna go through before you pick one off the Carolina roster? A bunch. That's rude. It's the truth though. Rookies look at what CJ was throwing to.

He had Nico Tankdale, Noah Brownswell. He had Dalton Schultz. He had nice peak. Which one of those guys are better than any of the guys that I named on the Panthers? Yeah Which one of those guys is better than Nikko Collins better than tank Dale better than Dalton Shultz Better than hell no brown comparison is the thief of joy Noah Brown. Comparison is the thief of joy.

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You saw what we did today. You see how that offense looks today. Listen, don't do that. Don't do that. Who was that? What was his name? What was the name? What was the name?

Uh, Tim Lee. OK, Tim Lee, you'll see. You'll see. Now we play the Giants next. We're going to beat the Giants. Then we play the Browns. We're going to beat the Browns. I'm not sure what the schedule is after that, but we gonna be right and we make the playoffs

I'm gonna make sure Tim Lee I'm gonna remember you I'm gonna remember you and when the Bengals make the playoffs and Get up out of this hole and rise from the ashes like the goddamn Undertaker you make the playoffs. I'm gonna find you You mean like a phoenix? You mean like a phoenix? You mean like a phoenix? What's the phoenix? That's what rise from the ashes. Well, I was, I was, I was trying to insinuate how the undertaker comes about the grave or he like,

Oh, he's up in the middle of the ring when he was like, yeah. And he sits up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh, you do, I mean, you keep, you know what I heard? I heard you say about the office. I hear you mentioned nothing about that yeah, yeah, yeah. You do you I mean you keep you know what I heard I heard you say about the offense I hear you mention nothing about that defense. Oh listen our our our team our identity is the offense now Lou Lou is gonna do what he needs to do to make sure We play good enough

Good enough football win, huh? We I mean listen, that's that's why we practice Good enough football. Win. Huh? Win. I mean, listen, that's why we practice. I mean, you do realize y'all gave up 41 to the Ravens. You gave up 33, 36 the week before to the commanders. We talk about Lamar Jackson and Jaden Daniels. Two of the most efficient quarterbacks in NFL right now. Y'all got beat by Jacoba Brissette too.

Oh, that was week one. You know, week one don't count. It's a toss up. Anybody going to be one. Ain't no telling what's gonna happen. Who beat them the third week? Huh? Oh, Kansas City.

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The suspension came after Dobbs missed two days of practice and meeting. The team initially explained the absence as for personal reasons But sports Illustrated reported that dogs was upset about his opportunities in the passing game Package am Brian Gunn against Unfortunately, we had to make a difficult decision to suspend Romeo for this week's game his decisions and actions during the week game. His decisions and actions during the week negatively impacted the team and required us to take this action. While we are certainly disappointed, we are confident that we'll be able to move forward in a positive manner. Romeo is a

valuable member of our team and we look forward to welcoming him back next week. Dobbs ranks second on the team with 20 catches, 169 yards, but has yet to score touchdowns in four games. In love's return, Packers threw dogs with 54, oh look, threw the ball 54 times. Eight of those were targeted to dogs who caught four for 39 yards. Only one wide receiver, Dantavion Wicks, with 13 targets, was throwing the ball more than dogs.

Oh Joe. Yes sir. You better tell me guys really like, really miss practice. Guys get upset that I ain't got no, I ain't getting no targets, I ain't getting no balls, they gonna touch that. Right. And guys really miss practice.

I don't know. Not be late to practice, miss the entire practice. Yeah, you know what? It's hard to actually know what exactly happened and a report coming out saying it. I mean, how truthful do you think that really is? Why were they suspended then? Why were they suspended?

Because we don't know what they got suspended for. We don't know. Hold on. They say, hold on. They said it was for personal reasons. When did somebody ever got suspended for personal reasons? It was somebody told them, Sports Illustrated broke the story that said he missed skip practice.

He skipped meeting because he was upset. I know, but I, hold on, hold on. This is what the GM said. Unfortunately, we had to make a difficult decision to suspend Romeo for this week's game for his decisions and actions during the week that negatively impacted the team and required us to take this action. Ocho, nothing else needs to be said.

Oh, so you just, you're using sports illustrating as your source? I'm using Brian Gunikis, the general manager. Based on what he said, what if he was in practice and he acted a fool in practice about not getting a bowl? Oh Joe come on. Oh Joe at some point in time. Oh Joe. You got to stop this. I get it I'm not relying on fucking sports illustrated. I'm relying on Brian Gunikis Maybe he acted a fool in practice and they had to spin suspend him for his conduct because he's not getting the ball Okay, I can I can a fool in practice I ain't getting the ball, you know, you act a fool You know what? You can't be doing that while you're here. You got to go

Hold on. Now. You just told me last week when these reporters get stuff about Devante It's coming from somewhere now all of a a sudden it's not coming from anywhere. They made it up. That's not what you said. No, hold on. Hold on. Sports Illustrated? I ain't using, I'm not paying them as no source.

You said when reporters say things, they're getting it from somewhere. Now they report this, it came out of thin air. And now Brian Gunikens, the general manager said we had to make a difficult decision to suspend Romeo for this week's game, his decisions and his actions. This week negatively impacted the team and required us to take this action. And I guarantee the action you talk about it happened at practice. I guarantee you that. I guarantee you did. Let's bet. How much you want to bet? Let's bet.

I'll tell you what I do. I'll tell you what I do. If it if he didn't miss practice, you give me your salary. My who? If he didn't miss practice, bet your salary. What's salary? What's job? Bet your salary.

Which job? Whichever one you want to pick. Whatever show that you appear on, bet it. OK, bet. No, no, no. appear on, bet it. Okay, bet. No, no, no. Ain't no bullshit now. I'm real. I'm talking real. Bet it. Nah, bet a thousand.

No, I don't want no thousand fucking dollars. What am I going to do with a thousand dollars? A lot. I bet 500. I bet 500,000. Who? I'll bet you $500,000. Why we can't bet a thousand? I don't want no thousand.

What the hell I'm going to do with a thousand dollars? What you going to do with 500,000? Hell, I go upstairs right now and pull that out. What the hell I'm going to do with that? Well, see, I can pull it out too. What you saying? Bet 500. I don't even gamble.

You ain't got to gamble because you said it didn't happen like that. So that's not a gamble. I said, what if it didn't? I said I wouldn't rely on Sports Illustrator for nothing. Bet 500 then. Okay just think about it you can be 500k quick just like that in a blink of an eye. No no no no I don't care about no money I'm trying to figure out why you so happy about what Sports Illustrator said. I'm talking about what Brian Gunnigan did.

Okay and I said it's probably because of what he did at practice. Bet 500K then. Why we bet money? I'll tell you what I do. I'll tell you what. No, no, no. I'll tell you what I do. I'll put up a million to your 500,000. No. Chad, y'all see that?

Hey, Ocho, I'm going to cover you. I'm going to put up a million to your 500K. Listen to me. Listen to me. Hey, Romeo Dobbs in I'm gonna cover you. I will put a permission to listen to me. Listen to me. Hey, Romeo Dobbs in the second year. Right. I don't know what you're in the second year. I mean, even second year. Right. As as any second year.

What are you the second or third third year pulling some shit like that. That's that's a vet move, man. That's a vet move. Not showing up, not showing up to practice. I can honestly say I played 14 years. I ain't never have a teammate. And guys have been upset about playing time, about incentives, but I ain't never. Have guys been late for meetings? Yes. Have a guy been late for practice? Yes. But I'm talking about just give that ish all together? Hell no.

You got to be, you got to be that boy too. You got to be that boy. Like Aaron Rodgers, like that, that, that mini-cam. Yeah. See, you got to be that boy to be able to pull some stuff like that off and nothing happened and have no disciplinary actions. Now I'm a third year receiver, just not showing up for two days in a row.

Come on, man. No, I mean, and then they're going to, even if you're a first year, you've got like that, they probably won't suspend you, but they're gonna take that game check. Right, right, right. You can play. Oh, they're gonna get something out you. But I will take that money.

Oh, they're gonna get something out you. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because the thing is, you gonna want to play. I mean, because you don't want people to know to give that negative light that you miss. You miss practice. You was out and you were moping. So you don't want to get you don't want to give that little go to

because you don't want that out there on. And that's the thing with these young guys, bro, you don't want that out there. You don't want the mouth to tear because it's hard to shake that. Once you get that label on show, you think it's hard to shake it. Yeah. I mean, you got to be on your best behavior for years and years because you have another step up because they say you remember one thing. One thing about it is like, bro, one thing about it now, I still can't believe they put that ball in his hands. Oh, boy, you remember? One thing about him. I was like, bro. One thing about him now. I still can't believe it.

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