Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Reaction to KD being called 'Weak,' Jeff Bezos' interest in Celtics

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Dennis Schröder calling Kevin Durant "weak" after KD took shots at him after the Olympic win, Jeff Bezos' reported interest in buying the Boston Celtics  and much more!04:05 - Show Starts06:00 - Dennis Schroder calls out KD15:10 - Carmelo Anthony Gold Medals better than championships29:35 - Jeff Besos wants to buy the Celtics44:20 - Zion Williamson weight loss01:02:20 - Sam Watson speed climbing champion joins the show(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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emphasizes entertainment more the comment clearly caught the attention of one kevin durant who shared a photo of the gold medal celebration in caption, entertainment, and IQ. Truder addressed the comments during the Twitch stream and said KD is being weak for his reaction. You're the type of star that you have to say something to a person like me who's not even meant to

be negative. It was just, I see it from both sides and you know what I'm saying. I didn't appreciate it. I don't care, but at the end of the day, that tweet or whatever he posted was because of me. For me. It was never no negative stuff. I respect all guys, all goals, but to say

to tell me how weak he is as a person. What'd you think, Coach? I don't see it as weak. Listen, Trudeau made a comment. He says NBA basketball here is all about entertainment and NBA basketball where he's from in that area. European basketball is all IQ. To play in the NBA, you have to have some type of IQ. You have to not

only lead skill set, you have to have an IQ to play the game of basketball. Whether you're playing in Europe, whether you're playing in America, no matter where you're playing, you have to have an extensive basketball. Whether you're playing in Europe, whether you're playing in America, no matter where you're playing, you have to have an extensive IQ. Now, you have some players whose IQ is much better than others. LeBron, your Kobe's, your Michael Jordan's who see the floor a little different

than everybody else. But I mean, a comment like that is unnecessary. It's unnecessary. It's something like that. That's something you can probably keep to yourself. And then when you do say it out publicly when you say something publicly you have to be willing to take the criticism that comes with it from a player one of the best i might add that plays in the entertainment side of basketball as you so call it who also has an iq for the game so i mean listen you you you got to be able to take the criticism

when you say something publicly. Yeah, for the simple fact is he makes it seem like the American game is all about entertainment, that these guys don't have high basketball IQ. And like you say, you have to have a certain level of basketball IQ. But just like any sport, there are certain great players that have a higher level of the IQ. But to say your guys' IQ and it's not entertaining

and this is entertaining and not basketball IQ, I'm surprised more guys didn't respond. But, Trudy, look, you're entitled to your opinion, but you can't be upset if somebody gives you their opinion back. So he just captured it like oh okay this is entertainment and iq hey to each his own he he has an opinion um i don't agree with his opinion to play any sport whether it's basketball football uh hockey whatever it may be especially even in even individual sports it turns it takes a certain level of of IQ to be great at those or to be able

to compete at any level. I mean, it's just, it makes sense to him. It doesn't make sense. What is pro sports? Entertainment! Yeah. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. And the more

entertaining you are, guess what? The more money you make. And the thing comes down to at the end of the day. And the more entertaining you are, guess what? The more money you make. And the thing was, look at the Spurs. The Spurs had a great dynasty with Duncan and Ginobili and Parker. But they was born as hell. They played great basketball. Hot basketball IQ. But ain't nobody breaking down the door trying to go see.

She got a Ginobili jersey. She's all things. She's like the Sp down the door trying to go see. Ash got a Chernobyl jersey. She's all thing. She like the Spurs, the Cowboys, TC. She like all that bull jive. But they broccoli. And look, they won five championships. Probably should have had six. Had Ray Allen not hit that shot, Tim Duncan would have been perfect 6-0.

But they were boring. They weren't entertaining. There's a reason why the lakers got the showtime showtime lakers yeah that's and people flooded to go see those guys play yeah there's a reason why you know steph curry because he's entertaining yeah jordan they were entertaining you so there's levels yes I believe you can have both but to say the biggest difference no, they play a game, you guys

have been playing, so let's just say, okay, if LeBron and KD and Steph had been playing together like Schroeder and those guys, or like the Serbian team or like the French national team had they been playing together for years, y'all never

beat them. They got together a month. You guys been playing together for 10, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 years. They got together one month. So let them play together for 10 years. So let this up-and-coming guys, these up-and-comers, play together

for 10 years. Y'all never beat them. Nah, at all. I mean, I'm not sure why he said it. Maybe it's something he believes. Maybe some of the players he's been surrounded by in the NBA, it makes him feel that way. And thinking that the players that he plays with in Germany

have a higher IQ than them. But when you say it like that, it speaks for everybody. Because he didn't put a name on anything. It just, it just didn't make sense to me. Let me ask you a question. People going to say,

well, well, how much IQ you got? You turned down 80 million to sign for 5 million a year. Oh yeah. I remember that. I remember that. So they say,

well, how much, how much IQ goes into that? You turned down a four year, $80 million deal to sign league minimum deals now moving forward. Dang. That's not a good one right there. And I asked you that.

We talked about that a few episodes ago. Do you think that opportunity of money itself will be available again? No, we ain't getting that money no more. That's why after you get to a certain age, Ocho, you have to be very, very careful. Like when I was younger, I could take risk because I'm 23, I'm 25. But at 56, I need something a little bit more.

Instead of trying to get hit in home runs, I'll set up for singles. Because the likelihood of me being able to make up at my age what I've lost isn't very good. So when you're like 25, you see guys go broke. They're like, man, I went broke. I was 25, 30. You get a chance to break that up. You get a chance to recoup that.

Yes, sir. You go broke at 56. It's going to be hard. Yes, sir. You go broke at 56 it's gonna be hard yes sir you go broke at 60 oh joe it's hard yeah to recoup that to make that up again so that's why i tell guys hey guys you got to just be hey everything you know sometimes it it's not meant everybody ain't meant to be i know everybody want to get on the ground floor of google or netflix or some you know know, some of these other big companies. Right. Uber, Ring, DoorDash. But everybody, everybody, because for everyone that somebody gets in, they don't gotten gotten to a couple that ain't do nothing.

Right. Yeah. And that's just the way just the way it works. But, you know, hey katie clearly didn't take kindly to that katie's like hey bro i play the game i'm entertaining yeah and i play the game with a very high iq yeah yeah yeah so he i'm sure other other other players so well they just chose not to respond man we ain't paying that no man yeah so uh yeah i mean look shoot i mean you gotta expect that when you say something like that um somebody's gonna probably take offense to what you said but here's the thing intent and this is what i tell people about intent right it's like i remember my professor dr welch he asked us in class he said what's the difference

between murder and manslaughter and you know that's like you know. Welch, he asked us in class, he said, what's the difference between murder and manslaughter? And you know, I was like, you know, and he's like, he gave us this term. He said intent. He said manslaughter, you know, there is no intent. Murder, there is malice, there is forethought, there is intent premeditation. He said, but intent only matters

to the defendant. The victim is just as dead. So whether he intended it to be offensive or not, Katie took it that way. Well, I said this, man, that wasn't my intention. Well, your intention, that only mattered to you. But the person that you said

it to was equally, was still offended by what you said. So whether you intended it to be that way or not, intent only matters to you because the person is still offended by what you said. So whether you intended it to be that way or not, intent only matters to you because the person is still offended by what you said. So, hey, lesson learned, Schroeder. I'm sure they'll see each other.

I mean, where was Schroeder at last year? Toronto? Oh, he got traded. He got to Brooklyn? To Brooklyn, yeah, he got. So I'm sure, look, they're going to cross paths. I'm sure that, hey, one thing I know know about katie katie ain't got no problem hey he with the rafters oh i'm sure he

doesn't have a problem they'll address it move forward oh joe carmelo anthony says he would not trade his olympic gold medal for an nba ring right mellow said when we talk about global sports for me medals mean something totally different than an NBA championship. They both have their own separate meanings, but winning a gold medal is the passion, it's the pride that you have, not just for a city or a state,

but for a whole nation, a whole country you're winning for. Three gold medals, four medals for me is bigger than an NBA championship because I understand the impact of it. Not everybody wins a gold gold medal not everybody wins a silver or bronze i mean what's your take on it you know with the with the way you and steven a and other basketball enthusiasts and basketball heads talk about the importance of having a championship and getting that monkey off your back it would make it it would make it seem to me that it's more important to have a championship and getting that monkey off your back, it would make it, it would make it seem to me that it's more important to have a championship

ring because that's how you're evaluated. When we talk about some of the greatest of all time, when we talk about the GOAT conversation, I mean, not a great phenomenal player, but the GOAT conversation, you know, it's rings and how many times you've been there, how many chances you had to actually win one. I think there's, there's a difference in the gold medals and the championships. Now, we talk about the sport of basketball.

I'm not sure how you view it, but he views it in this manner. Now, I think asking you or talking to a Stephen A. Smith, they might view it in a completely different manner. I think there's an importance in both in representing your country, but I think the difficulty of winning a championship is a little different because you're playing against the best of the best as opposed to the Olympics where you're coupled all together with the best players from the NBA against, excuse me, I don't mean to be disrespectful. I don't want to say inferior opponents, opponents that are not as good collectively as us. Did I say that right without

being disrespectful? You did. Okay. I think it's easy for Melo to say that because he doesn't have an NBA title. People ask me all the time, Shannon, which would you rather have? A Super Bowl ring or a Hall of Fame ring? I say, well, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision because I have them both.

It's easy to say when you don't have something. For me, I don't think we judge any player. I've never heard someone rank somebody ahead of someone else because they had an Olympic gold medal. Now, I could be wrong, Chad. Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. Right, right, right. But I didn't say, they didn't say,

well, we're going to put this person over that person because he has a gold, well, we're going to put this person over that person because he has a gold medal. Or we're going to put this person below that person because he has a bronze or a silver and the other person has a gold. Championship is what it's about. That's what you play for. That's ultimately how we're judged. Charles Barkley

would be ranked a lot higher had he had a title. He got gold medals, but ain't nobody putting him in front of Duncan and all those other guys because why? Duncan has a title, has multiple titles. So, I mean, look, he can feel that way. And I'm not, look, that's the way he feels. But it's easy to say that when that's your only option.

Right. Ocho, man, what you eating tonight, chicken? Well, man, I love chicken. Well, that's all you got. You ain't got no steak. Right, right. You don't got turkey. You don't have anything.

You don't have fish. So if that's your only option, what are you supposed to say? What's the choice between? Because we're dealing with a hypothetical. Right. He wouldn't trade because it's impossible to trade. Well, you think if he did have one, he would still feel the same way? No.

No. Because he, Ocho, if that was the case, why did he join LeBron? He tried to win a title. He joinedBron? He tried to win a title. He joined Russ in Oklahoma City, trying to win a title. He joined Dane in CJ in Portland. He wasn't trying to win no gold medal. What was he trying to do? Win a title.

If it wasn't that important, because he had accomplished everything. He already had gold medals. Already had three of them when he bounced a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. What was that about? I think more so trying to solidify, you know, solidify that legacy. To me, it's already cemented, and he is a legend in his own right, regardless, even without the ring. First Ballot Hall of Famer. We're not even questioning that.

He is one of the great scorers of all time. There's no debating. We're not trying to debate. But I just think the thing is when guys say, well, I'd rather have this than I have that. When that's your only option, it's easy to say. Okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean.

Okay. I mean, Ocho, probably if all I had was a Hall of Fame ring, I would probably say, yeah, the Hall of Fame. I'd rather be in the Hall of Fame. There are fewer of us. But I don't know anybody that actually goes into the game and says, I'm planning to get into the Hall of Fame. You hear a guy says, I want to win the title. I want the confetti to rain down

on me in our colors. I want to hear we are the champions playing in the backdrop. I didn't even know anything about the Hall of fame until Mark Kisler told me he and Woody page started talking to me in 1997. I had no idea that I would even could be, that could even be a possibility. Right.

Right. But I know about them Superbowls. I know being in the AFC championship game in 91 and losing 10, seven to Buffalo and being that close. And he's seeing the dejection on the guys in the locker room afterwards realizing you're that close. You're that close.

Yeah, look. Yeah, the Hall of Fame is great. You're in a very, very elite company. You see Ocho? They sent me a cup. Can you see that? That's my number. I'm number 267. I'm the 267th member in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Hey, I got me a cup too.

You know, my cups say one. One of one. I said, it's just me. But, Ocho, that journey. Yes, sir. That I went on with those guys to go on the road and play Kansas City, to go on the road and play Pittsburgh

and all three rivers. And when I was in Baltimore to go on the road and beat Tennessee and go on the road and beat Oakland, I ain't gonna lie. I love the Hall of Fame.

I love going back and seeing all the greats and seeing LT and see buckets and see some of the greats that are passed on. Can't nothing replace that, bro. Can't nothing, nothing replace that. Don't let anybody tell you different. There's something about because that's what I wanted.

I wanted to win a championship. I wanted to make a Pro Bowl. I wanted to be an All-Pro, and I wanted to win a championship. Now, I didn't know how long I was going to play. I played a lot longer. I was like, hey, if I get me a year, hey, obviously you can't do all that in a year. I'm a seventh-round draft pick. I said, but

now, all of a sudden, I got five years. And in five years, I got a first-team All-Pro. I got three Pro Bowl selections. I'm like, oh, I'm good. I'm goofy. Now, let me see if i can get a super bowl how good can we get to get a super bowl we got a super bowl now ojo you can't hit me in the ass with a red apple because i got super bowls i got like six pro bowls i got like three first team all pros yeah on second team all pro now what and to go on that journey to see what goes into it all that hard work that

you did that summer all that lifted all that eating denying yourself for me now there are maybe some people might feel just like mellow fields say hey i'd rather have a gold medal than an nba title i would rather be in the Hall of Fame than have a Super Bowl or a World Series ring or whatever. But I just don't know who gets in a professional sport and says my objective is to win the Hall of Fame. You'll be in the Hall of Fame. I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody. I don't think anybody. I mean, because of your play, because of your

stellar play throughout numerous years of consistent elite play, I mean, it's just warranted. That's what happens. Because at the Hall of Fame, Ocho, somebody else determines your validation. You got 50 million women that's voting.

Ain't nobody voting for no titles. You got to go through. You got 50 million women that's voting. Ain't nobody voting for no titles. You got to go through, you got to run the gauntlet. And sometimes you have to beat, sometimes, hey, there are some people that win a title and you're the favorite. But to go on the road as the underdog, that's just me. Like, hey, Chad, I don't know what you guys think. That's just me like hey chad i don't know what you guys think uh that's just me i mean hey mellow might sincerely feel that way and hey i don't begrudge him but i just don't know if the hall of fame if the if rings especially in basketball yeah now when we

talking about sprinters gold medals mean something right when we're talking when we're talking about sprinters, gold medals mean something. When we're talking about track and field, we're talking about swimming, that means something. We're talking about individual events. But I just don't, I've never heard and maybe because pros weren't going when

I grew up, but even then ain't nobody said, well, oh, because Jordan got a gold medal. He's the greatest. They don't even factor that in. Right. Kobe.

So if Kobe didn't have a gold medal, if Kobe didn't play that one year, we're going to look at Kobe different. No, not at all. No, we're not. A little different. We don't look at Shaq. Shaq got a gold medal. Shaq says he was so upset to how they did him

about not playing him a whole bunch that he's like, I think I threw my gold medal away. I don't know if that's true or not, but are we down? So if Shaq didn't have a gold medal, are we going to down him? Nah. No, no,

hell no. So we, we can't, we can't even down mellow because mellow was one of the greatest, even without, even without the championship ring. But again, when it comes to the conversations of some of the best all time,

again, the goat conversation, it's just, it's people get left out of that conversation because they weren't able to win a ring. Like you said, Barkley. So. Kind of unfair, though, honestly. Because sometimes that's, stuff like that is out of your control.

You know, if you're playing an individual sport, I understand, but you're playing a team game. You're playing a team game where you're trying to do everything you can to get to win an NBA championship, and sometimes things just don't go your way. I love that. I ain't gonna lie with you. I ain't did all I did to get to the Hall of Fame. I'm trying to win a championship because

that's really someone else voting. I really could control. I play good. I greatly increase my chance of helping my team win because that's what I'm there for. Guys that I see every day putting into work, just like you and I go into work, meeting, preparing, doing all we can. Right. Man, I even even after like, man, okay, I've done pretty good

at this point, it still hurts. I ain't thinking about, man, I'm going to the Hall of Fame. Even when Mike would address me, our Hall of Famer, man, that don't do me no good. We lost.

Right. We lost. Losing always hurt me, Ocho. It bothered me. It still does. Yeah. That's why I don't do a whole lot of stuff because I don't like to lose. It bothers me. It still does. That's why I don't do a whole lot of stuff.

Because I don't like to lose. I'm a sore loser, but I'm a worse winner. I'm a worse winner, Ocho. For sure. I had to mask losing and deal with it

by being entertaining. Yeah. You got to think. I'm not sure if anybody can look it up real quick in the chat can you tell me how many winning seasons we had during my tenure in cincinnati so when we weren't winning i had to find other ways to cope with the fact that i'm not sure how this game is going to go but what i am going to do for the people that came to watch is they're going to get their goddamn money's worth. Yeah.

Do everything I can possibly do in my power to make sure it's entertaining week in and week out. I don't get, I don't care what our record looked like. You finna get a goddamn show. I can tell you that. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

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The team announced after winning the title that, what's his name? Grossbeck? Grossbeck planned to sell the team. The NBA wants the sale price to be $6 billion. According to Bill Simmons, they don't own their arena. It's a crazy, ooh, damn. That's a crazy price for somebody that don't own their arena. But they're probably going to get it.

Why $6 billion? The league wants to establish a price which the sale as a precursor to the expansion according to simmons they want it to be six billion apiece and expansion fees for teams in seattle and las vegas which means a check 400 million for every nba owner all 30 yeah i like that now listen if there's anybody that can do it, it would be Jeff Bezos. Then Jeff has any background or knowledge in the game of basketball. I'm not sure. Maybe he does. Maybe he doesn't. If he doesn't, I'm sure he has a team of people that can consult him on whether this is a good decision or not. Jeff Bezos, a businessman who thinks long-term. How does this affect him long-term? And whatever his end goal might be, his five-year plan, his 10-year plan, whatever it may be,

it might be something good that he can think about doing. And do you want to actually own a basketball team? Understanding all that it comes with, all that it entails. Not that you're going to be hands-on because you have a team of people that it comes with all that it entails not that you're going to be hands-on because you have a team of people that are going to do everything matter of fact hell we could have had jeff on tonight you should have told me this was part of this was part of the topic i could i gotta had him you know call in and we could have did did this via zoom asking myself i'm surprised he didn't buy one of the, um, hadn't got a football team. Um,

the commanders came available. The Walton pinners, uh, purchased the Broncos, um, football teams come available a little less often than baseball, than basketball teams. Um, but when you got that kind of money, than basketball teams. Um,

but when you got that kind of money, he's probably worth 160, 160, 140, $160 billion. What's 6 billion to him? Ain't nothing. Excuse my language.

Exactly. Nothing. At that point in time is just that, you know, you're like, okay, I got all this money, but it's like, you know, Hey, let me, let me own a professional, let me own a sports team.

I mean, that's, though, people, the elite 1% that have that kind of money, they're very strategic. And the decisions they make, if it's not about making more money, they're not doing it. They're not doing it. Oh, you're not doing it. They're not doing it. Oh, you're not losing money with a professional team. Yeah, of course you're not losing money. But is it something that you're passionate about? At times, it has to be something that they're passionate about that they know that's going to recoup whatever you put into it. Ocho.

Yes, sir. When you got that kind of money, you just like to own a whole. That's why they buy $40 million dinosaurs. Why the hell are you buying $40 million worth of dinosaur bones? Or you paying $500 million for a painting to hang on your wall. Or you got a billion dollar

yacht. Yeah. They like to own ish. Yeah. When you got that kind of... Ocho, what are you going to do with all that money? You can't take it with you. So why not enjoy it by, okay, I want to own this. I want to

Stan Kroenke, he owns the Rams, he owns the Nuggets, he owns the Avalanche, he owns a soccer team. Hey, Stan, smooth as hell, boy. Yeah. So at some point in time, O mocho it's just not like i'm the world's i got 100 billion i got 200 billion okay and what now so now let me get a sports franchise

let me get an nfl team or mlb or basketball let me get a team. He got his hand in a little bit of everything. So he has the money. Obviously boy that's a steep price. But what happened Ocho is when the NBA

forced Donald Sterling to sell. Right. The Clippers. Yes sir. And Steve Ballmer wanted to own that team so bad. If I'm not mistaken, Sacramento had just sold for like $400 million. That's it? That's it. Look at me talking about that shit like I got $400 million. He paid five times what the highest bid had ever been sold for her.

He paid $530,000. He turns around and pays $2.2 million. But you see how Steve is? You see how passionate he is about basketball? How passionate he is about the game? I just don't see Jeff. Jeff ain't like that. I don't see him as... He's a little bit more...

I've been around him a couple times, spoken with him. I don't know him, but I've been around him a couple times. He's quiet, but he'll talk. He likes sports. He talks football. Yeah, I done met Jeff a few times with Roger Gaville. I sat with him in the suite. I done met Jeff a few times, you know, with Roger Goodell.

You know, I sat with him in the suite. I talked to him for a little bit. Like, nothing like that. So, we crossed paths a few times. And a normal dude, if you didn't know who he was, you'd walk right by him. No, no, no, no. You didn't know who he was, you'd walk right by him, and you wouldn't think nothing of it. No. You're absolutely right.

I met him and his brother um at an event but as a matter of fact with the nfl but yeah i mean if they if that's what they go if that's what they're going for hey you want it oh joe yeah something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it yeah that's why i hate when people ask when i hate when certain people talk about I know my worth and I know my value. Yeah. Of course you do. But who's willing to pay for it? That's the problem.

And that's the issue. It says his net worth, Jeff Bezos net worth is worth. He's worth one hundred and ninety six billion dollars. Yeah, we are. We are. Yes, we are. One hundred and ninety six billion. Yeah. Yeah are. $196 billion. Yeah, yeah.

You notice I said we. You know, I work for Amazon too now. $196 billion. Man, what kind of? That's a lot, huh? What you do with that? Just hypothetically speaking, if you had $196 billion right now,

what you do with that? I know black colleges ain't gonna be ain't gonna be suffering no more yeah i know i know that for certain i like i know my community there's gonna be a lot of outreach programs in my community yeah my community gonna be a lot better and a lot better shape than what we're in right now i can can bet you that. I might be worth $196 billion today, but when I die, I ain't going to be worth $196 billion. I ain't going to lie. I'm not going to lie.

Yeah. I'm not. Yeah. Dope. Dope. And I'm not going to leave all that money to my kids. I'm going to leave them enough to do something, but not enough where they ain't got to do nothing. Right. I like that so oh yeah

Savannah State going to be well well off and then I'm going to trickle that down to I think it's probably 125 150 other black colleges oh they're going to be straight my community yeah it's going to be good

hell yeah 196 million I'm thinking for one They're going to be straight. My community? Yeah. It's going to be good. Hell yeah. Let me see. 196 million. I'm thinking for one, first off, my kids and those I have kids from, everybody good. I'm taking care of that. I'm taking care of home first, that nucleus. That's very important to me. Obviously, my mom and my grandma are

gone my brothers make sure they good schools fam you obviously you know how much i love fam you yeah oregon state got to get back to oregon state even though i was only there for four months uh yeah my immediate close friends and it ain't that many. It's probably eight of us. I'm talking about close. I'll make sure they good. There's some other entities that I enjoy, that I support. Charities. I'm going to pour into them as well. And that's all I can think of right now.

Yeah. I'm sure it's more. I'm just hypothetically speaking right now off the top of my head some of the things I would do. Yeah. I ain't going to be too crazy. I ain't going to be too crazy, though. I'm going to get me a new smart car.

No, I don't want no... I don't care about no cars. I got enough cars. I done had all the cars. If I don't get another car, I'm good. I'm good on cars. I got enough cars. I done had all the cars. If I don't get another car, I'm good. I'm good on cars. Yeah. But I tell you what, the battle states, hey, Nick Saban coming out of retirement,

going to coach at Savannah State. Listen, hey, the NIL money. Listen, that fam, you're going to be a power five school when I'm done. Oh, yeah. Nick Saban will be coaching at Savannah State. The NIL? Oh, y'all want to battle? Who want to battle?

Come on down here to Tallahassee now I got what you need Yes sir Savannah State ain't going to have number five stars We ain't got number five stars Football and basketball Hey Girls basketball

The next Juju Watkins, Paige Beckers. Yeah. Come on down to Savannah State. I like it. Come on, get the two gone and get this. Hey, I'm going to pay y'all more than y'all going to make going to the WNBA. Come on down here and get this money. That's right.

Oh, for sure. I like it. Man, that ain't right. It is right. It ain't wrong either. So I'm just telling you what if I had that money I'm taking care of black colleges and my community oh we gonna build this thing up

yeah for sure I'm thinking I'm gonna change Liberty City I'm gonna change the name of Liberty City and call it call it Ocho's World by everybody by all by all the buildings up by all Wynwood back. Yeah.

Cause you know, they done came in and bought up all of all the stuff, all the people out and it puts all my people out, bring them, bring them on back home so we can, we can have our wonderful, beautiful city back, man. I got to buy a franchise. We got about five or five of us. We're going to get us a franchise.

We're going to get a football team, a basketball team. Damn. Yeah, for sure. I just want one. All black. We're going to be all black owners. Yeah. Majority owners.

Yep. And I don't even want to be the face of it. I just want us. That's what opened the headline. I don't want to be the face of it. If I had $196 billion, I mean, just hypothetically speaking, I'd ask Mike Brown to send me the team.

He ain't selling it. I know. I mean that in a respectful way. I like the way they run things, but I just want to be an owner. If I was to be an owner, either I ask Stephen Ross, Stephen Ross to send me the Dolphins, or Mike Brown to send me. You got a better chance.

You got a better chance because Stephen Ross doesn't have the attachment to the Dolphins like Mike Brown has to the Bengals. You got to realize Mike Brown's dad founded the Bengals. Paul Brown, yes. So there's a little bit more attachment to it. It's kind of like the McCaskies and the Bears. There's a little bit more attachment

of the Kansas City. Hunt, Lamar Hunt founded Kansas City. Clark Hunt and his brothers, they're not getting off that. That's a family business. So you're probably going to have to have somebody, Ocho, that purchased a team that doesn't have the same attachment, the family attachment, the family connection to it. Now, Jerry ain't ever getting rid of the Cowboys.

Yeah. So. Listen. And they just have a $10 billion valuation. But you're probably going to have to find somebody that doesn't have the family attachment. The Titans, you're not getting them. Amy Adams Skunk, end of the name.

Bud Adams' daughter. He founded the Houston Oilers. You're not getting that from her. Yeah, you're going too far now. Miami and Cincinnati, one or the other. So if it's Miami, Skunk,

Amy Adams Skunk. Strunk. Strunk. Amy Adams, Strunk. So, like I said, you know, Ocho, like, you probably, like, the Wilsons, because they sold it. Because a lot of times you got these owners because the, what is that? The death tax was so great

that the owner would die and the family would have to, like, it's going to take 45, 50% of it. So you had to sell it. Right. Damn. Yeah. Could you imagine if I own, imagine if I own the Dolphins.

Like, think about that. I'd be the first owner that owned a team and played. Yeah. I don't give a fuck if it's one play. Put me in the game. This man want to go out there. You got all that money and want to go out there and you have surgery.

Hey, put me in the game. Listen, one play. I ain't got to do much. I tell you what. Play a cold gym, everything. I'm closing down Magic City for the whole week. Ain't nobody coming there but me. What about the women? That's who

I want to see. Ain't no other dude coming up. You can't. I got a hundred and ninety six million. Don't tell me what I can and can't do. I got them all the whole week. Hey, buddy. Private. That's funny. Or a private event, Ocho. Matter of fact,

we can have a private event. When you fly to Atlanta? When? When? Okay, I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm going to leave tomorrow. I'm going to leave tomorrow. Well, then what you going out there that early for? What you mean?

What you mean? I'm going, I got to. I ain't, I ain't, I don't be in Atlanta like that. So I'm just trying to get myself acclimated but but rail ain't gonna be there nah where rail get there too i don't think she coming she got oh okay she got to take care of oh zion williams apparent weight loss draws attention on social media. Zion was posing with the kids attending his basketball camp in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and looked noticeably thinner.

He has reportedly lost 25 pounds since December. Zion reportedly, he's currently at 281 pounds, less than what he weighed at Duke, 285, and intends to be 272 when the NBA regular season begins. He was listed at 284 last season. So if he was 284 last season and he lost 25 pounds, so how much was he? Hey, that's 281 right there we looking at? He looks small as hell.

How tall is Zion? Like 6'6"? Oh, okay, okay okay okay he's back like joy and hype hey listen the smaller the smaller he get the better on his knees on his ankles and his hips yeah and that's a lot of force going up and down most definitely listen and the smaller he gets think about the more explosion how much better he'll feel about himself. You know, being able to move laterally, taking people off the dribble. Listen, he can already do it anyway.

But even if he's losing his weight, he's not going to lose his strength. No. Oh, man, he can be. Man, y'all need to stop it. What happened? You can't even lose no weight no more. Anytime somebody lose weight, oh, he on that exempted.

You can't, wait, you can't take ozempic and ain't that illegal? No. Yeah, but that... Illegal for what? Yeah, I mean, you don't want to do that

playing no sport, man. That's too much. Can you be out there? Nah. You be out there doing what? Ozempic, I'm sure sure would affect you in a different way outside of losing weight no you think you would still have his strength and all that that bounce and all that would be there yeah should there be a current what it does it it curves your appetite

and uh you know your sugar right Right. So which process in terms of fat. Ah, okay. So how does people lose weight so fast though? Because it curves your appetite. You don't eat. Nah, it ain't.

Nah, it's more to it than that. Nah, I done seen some people back there and they're 400 pounds. In two weeks, they about 150. That's more than just not eating. Well, that's crack. That ain't no exhibit. That's more than just not eating. Well, that's crack. That ain't no exhibit.

That's crack. Listen, I like it. I like it. And sometimes certain people, some people are just meant to be of size. I'm not going to say big. Some people are meant to be of size because when they lose weight,

they don't look right. They don't look right. You suppose they have a low, a low, a low meat. You supposed to be a low, a low curvy. And it just,

at times it just, it just doesn't look right. You know, you're putting it with a little weight on it. They talk about it. It gives you diarrhea. Well, stop overeating.

I eat the wrong thing right now and get diarrhea. I ain't on no Zip-It. You want to try it on, Joe? But you don't see how big I done got? Let me tilt my camera down a little bit. I know you probably can't see. You see how I'm filling in? I'm all yoked up right now

by the time we get to Atlanta I told you I'd be at 200 you ain't believe me my little Pele soccer shirt don't even fit, it don't fit right yeah, no no, see I be sweating on here that's why I got me a towel now because i do cardio

so your ac messed up too no hell no my ac ain't messed up okay no but i do car i do cardio so i i i've come to the conclusion oh joe right me and cardio in the in the morning we don't get along why not i don't like doing cardio that was was the only time, Ocho, in college, me and my college coach got in one disagreement. For real? That morning workout. That's the best time to work out, Unc, before the sun come up? No, it ain't. Before the sun come up?

Nope. Nope. Oh, you tripping. Nope. So, I shifted. I said, I'm going to go to the gym workout between 1130 and 12 come home, eat, chill and then get on the bike

oh man, hell I don't eat until 915 don't you? I don't even eat breakfast in the morning let me take that back I eat breakfast in the morning but I'm at the gym at 6am oh no I'm an early ris but I'm at the gym at 6 a.m. Oh, no. See, I'm an early riser.

I'm an early riser. Now, yesterday, this morning, I messed up a little bit. I didn't make it to the gym until 8.30 because, you know, the show, boom, when we get off. Hey, boy, not yesterday's show, but the show when we had

Noah Lyles on and Vernon M. Yeah. Boy, I we had no allows on, and burning them, boy, I would fight for my life, boy. I swear to God, I would fight for my life trying to stay up. As you can tell, tonight, I just took a goddamn, I just took a nap. You took a nap? So that's what I do, Ocho. I work out in the

afternoons, I get in my garage, about 115 in there. And I burn anywhere between 300 and 800 calories. I'm good. And so by the time I come here, that's why I'm sweating, guys. It's going to be like this on most

nights because I got to get my cardio in. You know, I got to get right. Yeah. One day you can look like this, I gotta get, you know, I gotta get it right. Yeah. Yeah. One day you can look like this, but I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. Give me, oh, I got. Nah, Jordan, my competition. Huh? Jordan be in the gym trying to show off. He be boasting. Yeah, look at that right here.

That right here. You know, hey, you know, somebody asked me would i get ready for a show i said man ain't nobody ask you that oh hey you just made that up because i've been watching you the whole time right right ain't nobody saying what word do you i said when they ask you that who's stronger uh it all depends on what right like i can't i don't know why but i can't flat dumbbell bitch man hold on i just watched your video right we did 225 and you kept and you kept going up and up yeah for the life of god i don't know what it is about flat bench for me

from the chest from the chest here i can't get it off i can't get it off. I can't get it off. I get up on them damn dumbbells, 120, 100, not with ease, but I can go. I can go. I put 225 on the goddamn bench. I get up under there. I need, for one, I need help taking it off. And then I need help from the chest to right here. This area right here is not good for me.

That's your sticking point. You got to work on your triceps. And heel. That's tricep work. When it comes to that dumbbell bench, strong as hell. I like incline. I'm good at incline. I probably can do...

What are them? 132s? I can do 132s because i can flip those but i probably two weeks yeah in two weeks i'm gonna hit them i'm gonna get them 140s i'm gonna get them before he does i know he see he's gotta be slick see i've been getting to the gym early yeah and i've been parking where he can't see me. So he come in there. He got his backpack with him. I walk into jail. He, you're on theater.

What, what'd you do here, ball? What'd you do? What'd you do in here? I'm working out. I'm going to be ready to get ready to try you. Is that what you get ready to do? Hey,

where I find when them people, man, y'all be having a camera where I get the camera people from. You have to, you have to hire somebody. Yeah. I need one of them, man. I'd be watching people you know they they they record their workouts and you know just their day-to-day life even when they go places you know they take nice pictures i'm like maybe i need to start doing that man like how much a photographer costs though it all depends on what

you're trying to what you're trying to do i I mean, you're going to need somebody to edit. Edit a picture? Or video? Yeah, video. Even pictures. You want it edited. You want it nice. You want it smooth. You want it to look like it's professionally done.

Right, right. Yeah. Because everybody got to look at all the NFL players, NBA players. You take them pictures, and when they go on dates in nice places, people catching them coming out the car and yeah god damn but i just i'd not be scared to add it without jordan y'all jordan jordan got it jordan like the cat when we on the road jordan's like jordan going where i go oh he good with the camera he got the camera he set it up in the hotel room when i go to functions behind the scenes right so i was okay, when I go do a commercial shoot,

there's like anybody coming. Okay, I bring my makeup. I bring my personal makeup person. I bring Jordan because he's going to get behind the scenes footage. We'll collab once the commercial gets ready to come out. So, yeah. I'm going to do that, man. I'm going to be a new Ocho, man.

Forget this, man. New Ocho. Anybody, every man out there, man, that's willing to travel with me, man i'm finna i'm finna i'm finna it's gonna be a new ocho man forget this man new ocho anybody every man out there man that's that's willing to travel with me listen i got 30 37 30 11 job now i don't want to hear no complaining but forget that man well see that's why i work with jordan jordan ain't got no kid he ain't got no dogs he ain't got no pets oh so he just because hey he don't call he don't call he gotta go wherever i go and i'm gone all the time right but he get a little work out here hey boss you need anything nah you go ahead right so he go get his workout in he find out what i got going on i ain't got nothing going on he get an hour hour and a half go do his his workout, get his workout in.

Sometimes he go to use the hotel gym. Sometimes there's a gym somewhere that he read about or thought, like, hey, I'm going to go here. He's trying to stay one step ahead of it, but I ain't going to lie. I'm going to get it. I'm going to catch up. I'm going to do that, man. Chat, y'all know anybody

in Miami, man, that, you know, I just... Yeah, yeah, there are a lot of people in Miami. Yeah, I know, but what if they try to hit me across the head, like, with price? Like, if they come talking with some crazy numbers, man, like, nah, nah. It all depends on what you, I mean, you're getting them for, like, an hour, you're going to hire somebody for an hour. How long are you going to hire them? Because their day rate can range anywhere from between $1,000 and $2,000 for a day rate. We only probably need, like, an hour how long you're going to hire them because their day rate is anywhere between a thousand and two thousand for a day rate we only probably need like an hour come on go back go back a thousand who for a day

now i want to come on i got flash spirit man but i'm saying now you know i ain't paying those thousands if somebody take no damn pitches now come on but here no i'm ocho first of all you got to pay for them you you understand ocho You know I ain't paying those thousands for somebody to take no damn pictures now. No, Ocho. First of all, you got to pay for them. You understand, Ocho. They have jobs. When I used to have my massage therapist,

when she came to work on me, I booked her. She was gone for three, four days. All the clients that she would have had, I bought them out. Oh, shit. Yes. That's how it works.

My massage therapist in Denver, when he came to work on me, I booked whatever. Monday, he was off Monday. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I bought all of it. So he was doing eight massages a day. I bought all of them. So I had to pay somewhere between $800 and $1,000 a day. A day?

Yes. Because that's what he would have got had he been working. You can't take me. You can't take me for my work and expect me to give you a $100 massage when you've taken me away from $1,000. Right. Okay. Okay. Listen, I'm trying to process this.

I'm trying to process this. Like, I'm trying to figure out where in my budget, because listen, I have a monthly budget. I ain't going to- What are you trying to do? I just, you know, just, I want to, I forgot what people call it. Like, if you look at my Instagram, right?

If you look at my Instagram, right? My Instagram is just straight nightcap. Nothing else. So, in other words, you want some personal stuff on there. Yeah, I want to. No, you know what? I think I'm going to leave my Instagram how it is, right? My main page, Ocho, All In Father, that's straight nightcap stuff.

I think I'm going to create another page. And I don't know the right word and I want to, like, I want to, you know, I want to create, like, like content and, you know, get dressed up nice and getting out the car in nice shoes like the NBA.

What are you doing? I don't want to do that, man. Ocho, but you have to understand, like, in order for somebody to do that, you hire them. I mean, okay, how long you have to book them? Right. Like, is he going to be a guy you use all the time?

Yeah, he got to be all the time. Because what I want to do is I want to be consistent. I feel like I'm behind the times a little bit, huh? Everybody doing it. So I think I want to catch up with the times as far as aesthetics are concerned. I'm a the times a little bit, huh? Everybody doing it. So I think I want to catch up with the times as far as aesthetics are concerned. I'm a lazy dresser. I'm a lazy

dresser, huh? So maybe I could hire me a stylist or something, you know? And just give them a routine of some of the things I'm not used to normally doing. Maybe get out the box a little bit. Try something different for a change. No clothes on. I might

take the clothes back, but get some high-end stuff, have a not a booster. What you call the people that pull clothes? What you call them? A stylist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get me a stylist. Have them pull me something. Put some on nice. Go to

dinner. Boom. Catch me coming out of the truck you know i pose and pretend like i'm not looking like they got you know stuff like that i i just i just i just need to i need to do something new man because i'm stuck in so you look at the vlog you're looking for a person i mean or you could i mean you could use a a selfie stick and you could get a pov your personal point of view, nah. I wanted to be professional because people, Hey, you ever see some people Instagram?

It looked like they, they fucking models and shit. Yeah. Like that's, that's what I want. I want some nice, like I'm a, I'm a do it.

I just, but if you're not trying to monetize it, so why are you doing it? I, you can, how the hell am I monetized? And I ain't no model. I just, I just want, I like the curation of people's igs it just looks dope sometimes so are you gonna be an influencer

are you gonna be wearing other people's clothes I mean what you're trying to do hey you think I could be an influencer yeah but what would be my what would my content be, though? The stuff that they send to you. Well, who wants to make you? I mean, you see Fashion Nova, man, you see a lot of these women wear Fashion Nova. You can do Fashion Nova, man. You can do different things. Yeah, I think I can get it. You think I get to deal with Fashion Nova, man?

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Yeah, we can hear you. Can you hear us? We can hear you, yeah. Doing great today. Thank you for having me on. No, thanks for coming on. Ocho, before you go, let me ask you this. Obviously, you go to the Olympics and you're trying to win the gold medal. Did you think it was going to take a world record in order for you to win the gold? Or you didn't really care at the time? You're like, I want the gold medal.

And if it takes a world record, because if I'm not mistaken, you had just set the world record a couple of weeks before going to Paris. Am I correct? Yeah, so I set the world record twice, actually. before going to Paris. Am I correct? Yeah. So I set the world record twice. Actually, I said it once and broke my own one in April at a company in China. And then I went to the qualification elimination heat and broke. So I lost it for 14 minutes to another athlete and then got it back. And then so speed climbing is a tournament format.

So then I lost in the semifinal round, got sent to the bronze medal match. And then, you know, after that, you kind of got nothing to lose. You're kind of mad. So then I broke my own world record to get the bronze medal. I like it. Listen, you grew up in the South Lake, right? Yeah. So I'm curious.

I always like to go back. I always like to go back and get a better understanding on where the passion and love for climbing came from especially speed climbing so i just personally loved the idea of improvement and the idea of being on the same wall it's the same track every time right and you can be on the same wall in training as all these competitions across the world right so lowering your time through all that and i met a beautiful people beautiful community in dfw and that really brought me up well let me ask you this obviously you got eliminated from gold medal competition and you set the world record in the bronze medal match is there is it bittersweet

because obviously you went there to win the gold medal. Now, I think the consolation prize of setting a world record and taking $50,000 off a nightcap, you had to feel pretty good about that. But were you kind of disappointed in your performance, Sam? Yeah, there's a lot of emotions. Obviously, you have this goal of this is the only thing I want. I'm trying so hard to get an Olympic gold medal. But to be quite honest, I think I represented my country well,

and I respect the other two athletes that podiumed ahead of me. And I like the fact that I had this goal for so long. And now I have four more years to keep that the same. I get to go to LA 2028, compete in front of my home crowd when I'm a bit older and more experienced. And then hopefully competitions wise, I can get a big resume of things, keep my world record, push it down, and then be a gold medal favorite and finally kind of complete that resume in LA. Yeah, I like it. Listen, as someone that also climbs, not, not walls, listen, mango trees. I don't know if you would know what mango trees are. I used to climb the fence. I used to break into the pool when I wasn't supposed to be there in the summer as a little kid growing up. That is

really considered climbing. But for you, speed it it's it's demanding not just physically and and mentally how do you handle the pressures right before it's time to climb especially when you have to compete against someone and you you're competing against time is it difficult yeah so i'd say speed climbing is the lowest margin of error sport in the entire Olympic games. It is 30 movements at max speed. And if you mess up one, you're kind of screwed.

So, I mean, you got to embrace the pressure, tell any other 18 year old that they have to compete in this sport at the, on the biggest stage competing for your country and glory. And then I was also thinking about the gold medal count overall. Thankfully we did one of the tiebreaker, but kind of chip my shoulder that uh we didn't win overall so i mean you you have this stress and you have this pressure and obviously you have to embrace it and not everyone

can sam how did you get into rock how did you get into speed climbing uh so i got into climbing because i would climb walls and i climb these brick places around my house. And my parents were like, we we want to support you, but you're going to that's pretty dangerous. So they took me into the climbing gym and I met a great community in DFW. And that's kind of how I got into it. Competition, climbing and then eventually speed as well. So how long will you go ahead? listen when you talk about speed right and when it comes to climbing how do you improve your reaction time and explosiveness like i know how to do it when it comes to sports you know and the things you have to do in the weight room but how

do you improve your reaction time and explosiveness when it comes to climbing that's that's really interesting yeah so it's a it's pretty similar in a lot of ways to track as well. So I'm in the gym probably three to four times a week, and then I'm on the wall probably four to five times a week. Right. So you're in the gym doing some not fully plyometric, but pretty decent high effort motions, big jumps. I can dunk a basketball.

I'm only 5'11", but I can do it. And stuff like that to really get you get you exploding on the wall both upper body and lower body i like that but it definitely works better for rock for speed climbing the lighter body weight you are but the stronger you are am i correct uh typically the leaner so think about like the the archetypes think about like the john morant type builds where it's like very lean and you can jump really high so i would say the the leaner uh rather than the just overall lighter you are is this the quickest you've ever won 50 grand uh yeah i'd say so i'd say so hey before race do you have any pre-race rituals do you have any superstitions or you just go out

there and have fun and just climb as fast as you can yeah so since the wall is the same every time uh what i do is i kick the wall and i uh i'll hit the wall and then i just say every time after that i have 20 seconds probably between that time where i set up the set up the buzzer on the foot and when i go i have about 20 seconds and that 20 seconds regardless of if it's in practice or if it's at the olympic games i can do the same thing every time ah that's dope man so the walls no matter what the competition all the walls are exactly the same yeah yeah there's some there's a couple details like uh obviously it's hard to uh what's called homologation where you make it the same every time to certify a world record, but generally, yes. I got to do that.

I got to do that. I will gladly give both you guys a climbing lesson. I'm too heavy. I want to do it. So what I've done, all the Olympians that we've had on track, swimmers, I've challenged everybody.

This could almost be a series um listen ojo versus everybody even though you guys are at what you do and your respective crafts i do respect it but i want to compete i want to race against you and speed climb and see how bad i lose or maybe i can win what's up no no no okay if you set up there as you come out i live in salt lake city you want to come out. I live in Salt Lake City. Do you want to come out there? Right. Okay.

I think you guys are in LA too. There's a wall in LA as well. I'm in Miami. Miami. Okay. I'm not sure about that, but we can find a place, right? Right. And we can put you on the speed wall.

We can give you a road to sub 10 seconds. And that'd be super impressive. 10 seconds? 10 seconds. Yeah. That's long. I'm sure. All right. Okay. We'll give you nine or eight. sub 10 seconds and that'd be that'd be super impressive 10 seconds 10 seconds yeah that's long i got i'm sure i right all right okay we'll give you we'll give you nine or eight i mean you can just keep going you can keep going i like that i like that okay uh we need camera crew okay sam do you do you free climb uh no no unfortunately my parents disapprove i can't

be doing that um too dangerous okay i got i got a. So the guy who did that, Alex Honnold, the free solo is we want to do not just speed climbing on the on the regular competition wall, but I want to do big wall speed climbing. So I'm trying to race up like the route he climbed to the nose in Yosemite Valley. Like, I want to try to do that under two hours. So that's a that's another ambition I got. hours so that's a that's another ambition i got that's dope that's dope man i mean but so what's the biggest difference obviously speed without with speed not being a factor what is the major difference between uh climbing wall climbing and say free climbing uh so like what i do speed climbing is just on your goal is just to compete and do it faster and you're really racing against the the mental aspect and the stress when i talked about uh and then like climbing on rock is such a different experience and i still do love doing that so much where you're you're in nature

you're on a route and it's typically harder and you're doing it slower so the holds what you grab onto are smaller right and the for both your hands and feet So you have to grip them pretty hard and all that. That is crazy. Well, Sam, thank you for taking time. I know you were busy. Thank you for getting back. Congratulations on your bronze medal. We got you covered. I think you've already received your consolation prize from Nitecap.

Thank you again for coming on. We greatly appreciate it. We're proud you represented the country extremely well. Best of luck in 28, and we'll see you down the road. All right. See you guys then. Hit me up if you want to learn how to climb. I'll follow through.

I got you, baby. All right. See you guys. Thank you. All right, man. Have a good one. You too. The Volume.

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