Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rockets Force Game 7 vs. Warriors + Gregg Popovich Steps Down as Spurs Coach

Episode Date: May 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson and NBA Legend Robert Horry react to Round 1 of the NBA Playoffs featuring, the Houston Rockets forcing Game 7 vs. Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors, Gregg Popovich stepping down as San Antonio Spurs head coach, and much more!01:47 - Introduction04:30 - Rockets v Warriors30:20 - Knicks win the series42:00 - Pop steps out of coaching(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They got great performances. Fred Van Fleet played 40 minutes. He was six and nine from the three, 9-9 from the free throw line, 29 big points. Shungun had 21 and 14 and 6, he played outstanding. But Rob, you know this, when you play on the road and you're trying to force a game 7 or you're trying to close out a series, your stars, your guys that you count on need to play well.

But you need to get some production from somebody you don't expect it. Now, I don't know if this is the most points that Steven Adams has ever scored in a game. I know it's not the most rebounds or the most blocks, but this might be the most impactful game that he's played his entire career and he's played a lot of playoff basketball games. He's played a lot of games. But tonight I believe he was the difference maker because he got rebounds

He kept possessions alive. He blocked shot He changed it when they went to that big lineup with him and Shungoon in there that change that changed it Go ahead Rob. You know the one thing you can't teach is size and I say that all the time You know you just change your favorite team just went down because they elected not to use their size. And when you got a small team, Go To State is a small team. And you know, we know how strong Draymond is, but he ain't strong as Steven Adams. And Steven Adams, he'd be carving out that room, he'd be grabbing rebounds, be pushing people out the way.

He's an enforcer. When you got guys, if you look at this Rockets team, I saw Dylan and Rayvon Shungoon, they all little guys. And so you need protectors out there on that floor. And that's what Steven Adams is, you know. Look at Jah. Jah is missing that right now. So you need a guy like that. Oh Joe, I mean, you look at it, and I thought Jabari Smith Jr. He made like two or three buckets with the shot clock winding down. He had two big threes. He was one string. He got up off the floor. There was a scramble for the ball brand fleet gets it and kicks it back. He gets up off the floor.

Hell, I thought it was Ray Allen for just a second. Not to scale up the game, but he gets up off the floor and he cans a three. As Golden State was trying to make their move trying to create a turnover I thought the bench was outstanding for the houston rockets tonight I think they got 32 32 big points. No 1633 36 big points from the bench The guys played really well the starters played well brooks got in foul trouble and uh, uh, uh Uduka didn't have and didn't have a choice but to send him to the bench But I thought their backup played extremely well.

Your role players, you got what you expected from Van Fleet. Outside of that first two games, he's been light side rock from the three point line. He's been going crazy, I mean crazy. And then you got Shungun, he's an all star for a reason. He gave you that. And then you get Adams coming off the bench and giving you what he gave you.

They got a lot of confidence because they won back to back games. They forced the game six. Now they forced the game seven. The Rock, the Warriors have their work cut out for them. They went cold in that fourth quarter to start. They couldn't get anything to fall. And, and, and a lead that was what three, four points all of a sudden went to 12

and, um, the Rockets didn't let off the gas and they didn't look back. Oh Joe, you're a warrior. Yeah. I thought Steph had it going. He got hot there for a second. Him and Jimmy, but they didn't get enough from the auxiliary players. Hey man, listen, the Warriors, the stars showed up. They showed up obviously.

We didn't see the Steph Curry we're used to seeing. Obviously he had 29 points, but it took 23 shots to get there. Jimmy Butler had 27. But listen, some goon, but young boy special, young boy special and Van Fleet showed up tonight and did what he needed to do at being a veteran presence that the Rockets do have. Listen, them young boys, them young boys look like they wanted it more. The intensity, they played on both sides of the floor. Spacing was really good. And that goddamn Steven Adams, listen, he was probably the difference maker. When you talk about the size in which the Rockets have

and how small the Warriors are, I think it comes down to making more shots. Cause those second, what do you call it? The second attempt. The second attempt, yeah. Bingo, that's what he's trying to say. The second attempt that the Rockets had is the reason why they won the game and obviously

them playing with a little bit more fire, like they wanted a little bit more. Even though the experience of the Warriors who have been in positions like this before and had the experience with the Draymonds, you know, the Jimmy Bullets that are used to being in playoff atmospheres, them young boys look like they wanted more. And listen, like you say, they got their stuff cut out for them, having to travel. Now they got to go to God damn Houston and seal a deal. You got to believe. Rudy T. never underestimated the heart of a champion. I don't know if these Rockets are the champions, but that's what Rudy T. Corne the phrase, and it's stuck.

I think the thing is that when they went to that big lineup, because Dreymon is undersized, you can't play Mooney because he gives you nothing on offense. Pulse wasn't hitting any shots, so you can't play him. So you're really trying to say, Dreymon, I need you to keep 7' 300 pound Steven Adams off the glass. I need you to keep 6' 10", 6'11", Shungoon off the glass. They're asking too much and you see they started to wear him down over and over, over and over again. Second chance points. They did a great job of finding Shungoon in the high post and then guess what? He take one dribble, he drops it off to Steven Adams, a dunk. Or he drops it off, he finds a Thompson for a layup. He played extremely well tonight.

I expected Van Fleet, because they gotta do something with Van Fleet. Because he's walking in shooting around trees. He's feeling that comfortable. Okay, you know, for me, I knew the war was in trouble from jump. Because anytime you change your lineup, that's like a sign to the other team,

like, oh, we don't know what to do with you. Now the Rockets, when you're that young, anything can give you emotion, give you spark, give you energy. They're like, oh, we got them. They scared, they changed their lineup. And you think about this, they changed their lineup, and look what happened.

They come out. They wanted somebody to slow Van Fleet down. Why? Why change your, because you just talked about offense. because they wanted somebody to slow Van Fleet down. Well, why? You know, don't why change it? Because you just talked about office. You know, that's no office right there. And then you got Buddy Hill. We all know Buddy Hill is not a defensive player. But the one thing that's that Kerr is going to he's going to do the same thing

that JJ Reddick did by himself in the butt with it, but not paying him coming. Because you need size and you need athleticism to go up against this, this rocker team. Yeah, you gonna, cause you mad at this dude. I don't know what's going on. If you curse him out of something, he won't play him. But this is your third leading score on the team. He was a second leading score on the team until you got, um, but the butler, but now you're not playing him. So I don't know what's going on right there, but that's gonna cost them in this series.

Cause now you don't get the Rockets, all type of energy and they gonna go back and probably win this series because you elected to do some dumb stuff like in game four, I mean, game five and game then tonight. You know, you know what? Before you go, what I think, what I think for the Warriors, obviously going into game seven, what's going to have to happen, regardless of what the Rockets do, I think for the Warriors, obviously going into game seven, what's going

to have to happen, regardless of what the Rockets do, I think it's going to have to be Jimmy Butler and it's going to have to be Curry. Curry's going to have to be a little bit more efficient from the field to overcome all the things that the Rockets do, whether they go big, whether they go small. The only thing you do is put the goddamn ball in the bucket and have more points and just hope. Just hope. Whatever you can do.

You got to lean on Curry. That's the only way. That's the only way game seven. Going into, I don't know what stadium it is that the Rockets play in, in Houston. Toyota. The Toyota? That's the only way it's going to happen. I think the thing is, I like what Yodoka did. He went to a zone and every time Steph got the ball, they trapped him. They said,, bro, I don't care if you had the timeline. We gonna get that ball out of your hands. Somebody else is going to beat us.

We don't believe in a moment like this here, because there's a difference between hitting shots in game one, two, three, four, five, because this is an opportunity for a advance. And now, you're gonna be like Ochoa-Sand, you're gonna have to rely a little bit more on Curry and Butler, because a lot of these guys haven't been in moments like this. Draymond has, but I'm not counting on Draymond to give me a whole bunch of points I'm counting on him to give me somewhere between four and eight points. He'll give you six seven rebounds five six seven assists

That's what I'm expecting for him But your production is gonna have to come from Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry guys that have been in this moment But I thought you don't could do a great thing. He went to the zone. He said, look, do not get back picked, because they're going to try to come and send that back pick and have Curry floating. And they kept their eyes on him. They gave up a couple of, you know what, backdoor cuts,

because, you know, I got eyes on Steph and guys snuck behind him. Draymond got one, Jimmy Butler got one, a couple of guys that's a, but I give you that. The one thing I don't want to have happen is Steph Curry hit a couple of threes, and he hit a couple early, and he I give you that the one thing I don't want to have happen is Steph Curry hit a couple threes and he hit a couple early and he got the crowd into the game I want to keep the crowd at Bay as long as I possibly can and then the longer you kept them at Bay and then come the fourth quarter they

couldn't buy a bucket. Steph had some great looks Jimmy Butler has some great looks and it just wouldn't go down for them. Hey, hey, hey Rob, I mean you could probably attest to this, obviously being in that situation, I consider pressure situations obviously planning to play off going into a game seven, but one of the things just from me watching from the naked eye, two, three things that the worry can clean up. But one, the turnovers, They had 16 turnovers a night. They filing, they had goddamn near 30 fouls. And then under pressure, let's say,

E-Made goes to zone again in game seven. Relax, tighten up under pressure, relax. Continue to run your offense, to do things in a relaxed manner. And if they trap, if they trap Curry every time to get the ball, everybody else, including the supporting cast, you got to hit your shots. You got to hit your shots when it matters most.

Yeah. You know, Steph's got to hit his shots too. Six for 16 from three ain't going to cut it. And you know, sometimes I know Steph is considered the best shooter ever to play this game. A lot of his threes to me were bad threes. I know he said, oh, that's not a bad three for Curry, but you can, today was a bad three. You can get off the ball because you move so much and the Rockets only going to play defense for so long.

You can get a better shot. You know, that's one thing about in the playoffs and I'm always harping on, you want an okay shot, a good shot, a great shot. I know every time Steph touches the ball from anywhere in the gym, it's usually a somewhat great shot. But when you got a long defensive team like the Rockets, those turn into good shots. I don't care how great of a shooter you are. And for me, that's one of the things they got to do.

And for me, Draymond got to keep his cool because you don't know the little antics you do, that adds to the other team's spark too. And so for me, he going into Houston, know they're gonna be bullying him, he gonna get amped up, he's gonna have to play under control, Jimmy Butler's gonna have to play under control, but they gonna have to go back to they started a lot of, because that's the rhythm they have,

because when you got a guy like Jimmy Butler who just came into your season, and you changed the lineup on him, that can affect him because now, okay, how do I play with this dude? I just learned how to play with this guy. It's a little intricacies like that that coaches don't think about that players need to know because I know like, I know what routes you're going to run on the

quarterback and that's what, and then think about that. Now the Jimmy's out there being the quarterback and all of a sudden you got a guy that's not going to run to his point. Meaning, you know, you go, okay, what do I do now? It messes up the rhythm. So I think, Hey, hey, Rob, go ahead. Oh, Joe. Now obviously go as Rob, uh, obviously, listen, you can attest to this, especially in a game situation like this. And you got an athletic player that can match up very well against the Rockets.

Do you think Kurt plays coming to this game a little bit more being that he, no, I don't think he's going to play him at all. I don't know what that situation is, but it's been bad. You think about it since three games left in the season, he had, he played him and he played him on the reason of the night because he needed someone. And you know, you think about it, if he didn't play him tonight and then in garbage minutes to try to let him get some type of rhythm he prime on playing in game seven Oh, so you rather what does it you know despite?

He rather despite whatever situation they got going on you rather chance losing game seven based on what you saw tonight And not make the necessary changes to give you give you a team the best chance to win Hey, I wouldn't do it I've been playing regardless because you know for for me, when you that talented athletic, I know that you gotta play them, man. So many coaches get pissed off at players and like, oh, I'm gonna show you. No, you showing yourself because you only hurt your team.

And you know, and I think that's one of the mistakes that coaches make, you know, it's just hard for me to fathom that you really have your pride getting in the way of you getting the dub. Yeah. Well, look we've all played this more for a long time And coaches would rather lose their way than win some other way It's just the way it is and then the part of coaching is coaching sometimes you're like, okay This is what we're gonna do but a really good coach say well, you know what that ain't working That wasn't my original plan. But let me try to find something else to go instead of being bullheaded

Well, I said I wasn't gonna play this guy. Well, I'm not playing this guy. It doesn't work like that. If you're going to be a coach, you got to be a coach at all times. Sometimes you have to swallow your pride as a player, as a coach, whatever the case may be in order to get the victory. And I thought tonight, you know, yeah, I agree with you, Rob, him changing the lineup because even if you put when you put Peyton in yeah you get defense but the floor is not spaced as much as when you got Podzimek in there so now all of a sudden the floor is a little bit more condensed yeah you might get a little bit more on ball pressure with Van Fleet but what you're

giving up on the other end because you want as much space as you possibly can for your shooters like a Steph like a Steph, like a Buddy Hill, like a Podzimski. But now it's condensed. Dreymon is not a threat. They'll give Dreymon, if you notice, like the last three games, Dreymon take the first shot. They'll give him that three.

They shoot that head. You're not gonna make enough of those to put fear. Ain't nobody gonna say, gonna say get a hand up Don't even worry about it. Let him have that Let me have that shot. I'm not getting I don't want open looks for Steph I don't want open looks with Buddy Hill and Podzinski, but here's the thing, but he gave you zero tonight So yeah, buddy gave you nothing you said Steph I think the state what makes Steph so dangerous and how he gets the

crowd in is when that he takes those shots from 25, 30 feet away and it's a bad shot for everybody else and it goes in. Not only does it get the crowd going, it gets him going. So now he sees it goes in after he's taken a shot and he turns and goes down before the ball goes through the net. Boy, you're in trouble. You're in trouble when that start happening cause he feels it and now there is no bad shot.

If he see a couple of them babes go in Rob, ain't no bad shot for him the rest of the night. Yeah, but if they don't go in, he's six foot 16. Yeah, yeah. He needed, look, you got great production from him and Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, 12 or 14 for the free throw line. That's what Jimmy does.

He's going to put pressure on you. Now he's going to attack. They needed one other player. Draymond gave him eight. Buddy gave him nothing. GP, the second game, gave him five points. That's not enough. I thought Moody, I thought Moody would get more minutes.

Cause he came in, here's the big three. I thought Moody would get more minutes Rob Cause he came in his big threes. I thought Moody would get more minutes Rob, than the 20 minutes that he got. 22 to 22. You know what's weird? Because Moody has been playing very well in this series. You think about you want a guy that's gonna give you 12 to 13 points and is active like he is.

And he hasn't gotten as much play as I thought he would. For me, you're gonna start, keep him in the starting lineup. Do something, let Buddy Hill, who's been coming off the bench all year, keep coming off the bench. And it's just one of those things where Steph, yo, we know this is your arena, we know it's your league, but sometimes defer.

You know, I play with a lot of grace, and them mugs, sometimes they come out like, yo, if you're knocking out of shots, I ain't taking no shots, you carry us. And that's one of the things that Jimmy Butler's really good at too, because he can get it going and he would defer to other people. But that's one thing about Steph though.

Steph is not a guy that really defers because he doesn't have to. But I think when he goes in Houston and that Houston crowd and he not knocking on them shots, he's going to have to be a facilitator because he ain't going to be able to do it on his own. People forget the Rockets are a defensive team because you got Eme back there. You got a lot of guys that know how to play defense that long the athletics.

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That's the last thing I wanted to do, have like 10, 12 points in the first quarter. Now he gets an extended rest for the second, because you got to think about it, tonight he played 42 minutes. Steph don't normally play those kind of minutes That's a lot of minutes for a guy that his age people don't we people talk about Lebron He was because he's perpetual motion He's not a guy that's taking a lot of break because he has to work that he's working to get his shot

So he's from sideline. It's a baseline to baseline Mm-hmm, and then you forget there's not two games to the rest days No, it's great off play. So he only got one day of rest, 24 hours, went back on that court. So that's it. And then he got a fly. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a three hour flight, maybe four, because you might not take off in San Francisco with all that damn fog sometimes. So you can't get out of there.

Fred Van Fleet, this man. What you say, I'll tell you, say something. Now, I was going to say the good thing, the good thing about Steph, the chance of him having a game like this, like tonight, where it takes him so many shots to even get to 29, 27, whatever points he had, he ain't gonna double that. He's not gonna have another game like that. I think he's gonna be much more efficient. Buddy Hill probably gonna be much better, and they probably gonna get Buddy Hill going

early. And I really, for some reason, I don't know why, but Kerr really understanding, I'm sure Dre Ma, maybe Steph would probably talk to Kerr, with great understanding, we need a little bit more help. We need a little bit more size. You know, you gotta do something and get comming in there some kind of way, before we be sitting at home

and got damn cankoons. Right. I thought the Rockets were one thing they did too. They put a lot of pressure on them. They shot 46 free throws, Bob. They shot 46 free throws. It's been a while since our team seen the team shoot 46 free throws. But 16 of those witnessed Steven Adams and a lot of that had to do with

they were Hacker Adams. And you know, down the stretch, he made them pay for that. He was making them. It's one of those things where you try to, you know, that's all that Pop stuck. Remember Pop did that against Shaq and, you know, the hacker Shaq and you got to think about some of these guys, you make one, you make two, you got to go away from it because that guy has a little real, you know, sometimes you want to trust the process. You talk about following your game plan.

There's certain game plans you have to scrap. You know, Steven Adams is, you know, you know, his free throw percentage might be bad, but the dude, you look at his form, the way he approaches it, everything is fundamentally sound, so he can knock him down. He just don't knock him down because he don't shoot a lot.

So it looks like a percentage of bad. Right. The Rockets, excuse me, the Warriors shot 22 free throws. All of them came from three guys. Dreymon was one for two, Jimmy was 12 or 14, and Steph was five or six.

So that tells me they're not nearly aggressive enough. When you only got three guys to take your free throw attempts, that means like, and but the thing is that's not who they are though. That's not who they are. That's what you get from a jump shooting team. When you shoot jump shots, you don't have to do the free throw line. And the thing about, you know,

you talk about analytics of basketball shooting threes, I've always had the mindset, if you're shooting the threes, you're playing soft. Why? Because you're not trying to create shots. You're not trying to get to the rack. So you're taking the easy way out. So I'm just going to pull a four, three. Think about that. If I pull a four, three, that's easy. Now, if I had to cross on a spin, get to the rack, that's hard work.

You think about Ant-Man, Ant-Man, he don't mind that work. You just saw he put in that work. And now you get to these guys when that's hard work. You think about Ant-Man, Ant-Man don't, he don't mind that work. You just saw he put in that work. And now you get to these guys, when you shoot jump shots, you're not gonna get to the foul line. And no one reason Steph gets those fouls sometimes, because if you watch closely, he's causing the contact. He's really good at that.

And also when he does that. Stopping back at the people. Yeah, and I hate when he does that, because a lot of times when he does it, he's not even concentrating on the shot. He's concentrating on the foul. Just take the damn shot to make the shot and you get fouled, so be it. Hey, Rob, I just want to say one thing about you talk about Curry being able to put the ball on the floor and create his own space and his own shot. You mentioned Anthony Edwards, Jahmurah can do it as well. But you have to think about it when you look at the landscape of all the teams in the NBA, including those in the playoffs,

as well, but you have to think about it. When you look at the landscape of all the teams in the NBA, including those in the playoffs, it's only maybe one or two players on each team that can do that. That can go ISO, that can put the ball on the floor and create their own shots. So it's not that many of them. So once you take that away, you trap a player like a Curry and they have to facilitate, then now you've got to get everybody else involved and it puts pressure on them that I didn't know. There's still a game of basketball and everybody, like I'm told before, everybody doesn't have the green light to shoot the ball at will. Hell no. I just learned that.

I'm thinking, well hell, if I'm open, just shoot it. Nah. Hey, if you open, you open green either. Exactly. You help it out for your ass. That's why you open. Hey, they go play the percentages. They gonna let you take that shot.

Yeah, see, see, I ain't. You're not down-tuned in in my guard you. Yeah, I ain't know all that. Brad Bandfleet last three games, he had 29 points. He has six threes tonight. 26 points, four made threes, 25 points, eight made threes. So his last three ball games,

he's got 18 made threes. More points and threes than Steph. He's been, look, he's the veteran presence on this team. He's the guy that's been in championship Steph. He's been, look, he's the veteran presence on this team. He is the guy that's been in championship moments. He's the guy that's been on that stage in the Eastern Conference where they were, you know,

in the Eastern Conference finals, they went to a championship, they led, Kawhi led them to an NBA title. He's the guy. So this is what he needs to do. Hey, follow me. Follow me. He's the leader. He did what he was needs to do. Hey, follow me. Follow me. He's the leader.

He did what he was supposed to do. He got great contribution from Shungoon. Now Shungoon is their best player. But the veteran presence of- The best? The best? Yeah. Best?

Yes. Better than Jaylen Green? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Why don't you talk to him? Yeah. Jaylen Green has only had one good game so far in his playoff series.

Yes. He was three of 11, one for six. He had 12 points. Shingoon is an all-star. I'm just talking about, I know Shingoon is an all-star, but I'm just saying Jalen Green is supposed to be that next up and coming, that boy in Houston. Am I mistaken? No, you're not mistaken, but we're talking about right now. We ain't talking about what's supposed to be on the floor.

I'll check back with you three years. But if you're talking about totality, Shungoom's still the best player because he's rebounding, he's scoring points, he's getting assists. Jalen Green is just a hot fire right now, and that's all he's living off of. He gotta do more than try to, you know, that's the one thing there, but I've watched the NBA now.

There are so many guys that have become showmen instead of playing the damn game. They want to do all these antics when they hit a three. They want to, you know, it's just play the damn game. You know, you make a damn shot. Big damn deal. You know, you get back and play some defense. How many times have you seen a guy make a shot and get a layup on the other end of the defense because they're doing their shit? Just get back and play.

And that's one thing that you watch Jay, Jaylen Green, he play, he has a tendency to like try to get to the hole, look at the crowd, and next thing you know, you know, get your ass back on defense. So that's why Shingoon, he's just a hard worker, man. He in that pain, he dunking on people, he can get people involved.

He's the best player on that team. They thought it was gonna be Jaylen Green Yeah, Shungun has taken over. Shungun He leads the Rockets in points, rebounds, assists, and steals in the playoffs Jalen Bronson game went over the Pistons. What a shot. What a moment. The Knicks win the series. Rob You're one of the great clutch shot shooters. Let me ask you this. I think for our audience They want to know. In that moment, are you thinking like, man, if I make this shot, I'm a hero, if I miss it, or are you just going through the, it's the same,

whether the moment is there or not, it's just like if it was the first quarter, the second quarter, third quarter, what goes through your head when you're taking a shot that could potentially win you the game or lose you the game? You don't think about anything, man, because it's just like when you're in a gym, you're taking all these shots and prepare for this moment. You put the reps in and that's what you got to do.

That's why you see guys, you know, you take Kobe, for instance, with he's been a gym 24 seven, so everything came easy for him. And if you put in the time and the work and the sacrifice, these moments like this, you don't even think about it. You think about Jalen Brunson. Most guys, they like going to the offhand to pull up for the jump shot because you can square up a little bit better. He got you going left, like he thought, oh, he's a strong left guy.

He was setting him up. He said Thompson up. I'm coming right back over here to where I want to knock down this three. So is this a process that you go through each and every day and you watch him. He is so good at manipulating the defense. He can get you on your hip and then he can cause a contact or he can get you, he can gauge your speed if you're going too fast. He stops on a dime and pulls up.

And I think for him and any guy who's playing this game long enough, you don't think about it, you just do it. It's just a second nature thing to you, man. You just enjoy the moment and you just hope that you make that much so you can talk a lot of shit. He does a great job, Rob, as you mentioned, but he gets his body in such a position to shoot that shot. Because like you said, he's a left- player and most left handed players are left hand dominant.

They're trying to get to that left side. They want to go left. He did that. And then if you notice he stepped back and squared himself and let it go. He hit a Schroeder. He got an A1 on Schroeder and he got a tough step back. He, I mean, the way he can like get his body in position to take and make tough shots for a guy his size he's not a big guy I mean his body you know I'm

saying he's you know he got a little girl to him you know he got but he's what you think six foot I think he might six six'1". He hit that. He hit that. But his ability, and he's stronger than you think for a guy his size, because the way he can like put that shoulder in your chest, and get that shot off, and to square himself, and to knock these shots down, he was sensational. They couldn't buy a basket for the first nine, 10 minutes of the ball game, and then all of a sudden

he said, man, just give me the ball. What y'all doing? Every shot that needed to be taken and made. Now they got a huge tip in by Bridges. Somebody missed a shot and they didn't block out and Bridges got the tip. They tied it up but you know once they missed that shot, I said, oh boy, y'all better get this ball because Thompson had just made a great defensive play of like two possessions earlier. He got a shot clock violation on the Cofio. He went to go up and he stripped him of the ball. He's like, yeah, Brunson, I got something for you. I got something for you. Just hold it. But hold on. I got a question for you, for Rob, man, for you and Unc, right? As great

as Jalen Brunson was in this series, as great as he's been. Obviously being a very, very clutch player. Hell, you just won NBA Cuts Player of the Year, right? Yeah. Obviously showing his offense of prowess tonight with 40. Is there any chance y'all giving the Knicks in winning this series against the Celtics? No. Any chance?

No. No. And the reason I say no is because when you look at the Celtics, they got six guys that can score And every time I look at the Knicks, they remind me of AI You know They got this one guy that does all the scoring everybody else does two or three things really really good to make that hole And I do take out bridges with one of my favorite players

When they use him and he's able to score they're a totally different team But I just think the Celtics has too much firepower and one of the things they don't talk about with the Celtics is, you look at them, they got four good defensive players out there on that court. And we don't talk about that because he's so caught up in all the threes they shoot.

But you think about White, Holliday, even Brown, these guys are fucking good defenders. And so they got bodies to throw at Bronx, a little short sale. And so that's going to be hard. And I, you know, going back to Bronx, the one thing that makes them really good is, this is going to sound really crazy is,

left-handed players are always, have that ability to get to the line and do things because you're not used to that. You hardly ever run across a left-handed player. You think about Manu Juno who I played with. He was so good because you think he's about to do something with his right hand. Like, oh shit, he's left-handed. And by the time you think about it, it's too fucking late.

You know, James, you're up. And because it's just not what you use, it's uncommon. But I just think the Knicks might win one game because they play hard But I think overall I think the cell that yeah, it's gonna be a gentleman's sweep, man I just think this could the Celtics stay healthy You know, they they've been getting a little banged up in there, but I just think the South is a too good Yeah, cuz when you look at it think about what they go. They got Derek White that can defend They got holiday that can fan they got JB that could defend they got

White that can defend. They got Holliday that can defend. They got JB that can defend. They got Horford that can defend. Puzingas can protect the paint. And then they bring Pritchett off the bench that can score. Howser that can score. Cornett that can give you a little rebounding. They're loaded. You wouldn't know JT can defend if they have to, but he can score. JB can score. Derek White can score. They got scores and they got defenders. So they're always going to have at bare minimum two quality defenders on the court at all times. And so when you have that, when you got two guys that can defend, but look what they start with. So if they start Holliday, you got Holliday, Derek White, JP Al Horford. Honestly, I'm gonna tell you this. I like the Knicks winning at least three games.

You got them winning three games? They ain't winning, that mean? I got them winning three games. I mean, hey, Raw, you want to bet some on it? You want to throw a little ways on it? What you want to bet? See, make it light on yourself. Bet 5,200.

That's very specific. Why you said 5,200? I'm just trying to make it up some money. I owe them 5,200. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up some money. I'm just trying to make it up 5200 so I'm just trying to make it up some other kind of way.

I'm trying to break even. Ron let me ask you this. Of all the game winners that you hit, what's your favorite one? Lakers against the Kings. Kings with the ball came by to you that game. That was game seven. That was game four. Game four.

You know, we lose that game, we go down three one. And the reason is my favorite because if you look at most of my game winners, they were all done on the road. And so this one was done at home. And you got a chance to rejoice in it with the crowd. Yeah, I grew up a huge Lakers fan, man. I grew up a big Magic Johnson fan. You you were never you being a Laker you used to them to chant Kobe Kobe or Shaq You know when you get a chance to knock down a big three and you get them chant your name like that, man

It's the best feeling ever. I think Yeah for me is probably outside of Kobe's last game is the greatest moment in staple slash crypto and if the if you every time I see the shot from above and when I make it and the crowd just jumps up and cheers, I get goosebump every time I see it, you know, even though I love what I did in 2005 against the Pistons in game five, when I lit their asses up. Yeah, that's the one I was thinking. Yeah.

Yeah. But you know, it's something, you know, we are as an athlete, we all got that ego. We all got that pride. You want to get them fans chant your name, but I tell you know, it's something you know, we are as an athlete. We all got that ego We all got that pride you want to hear them fans chance your name But I tell you what, I only have like one pitch up I don't even have that shot up in my house but I do have the picture of me making that shot against the pisses because I Just like looking at the faces of the people in the crowd. You got some people like though No, you got one guy in the crowd is like

You got some people like, no! And you got one guy in the crowd like this like, yeah! Because he knew what was going on here. People, I don't know if people realize this, Rob, but before those Black Angels, you were a hot flyer. You was ever, I mean, you was punching on folks. I mean, you were up over the top. People look at you and they're like, man, all he did was shoot threes. No, no, no, no, no.

When you came in, I mean, I don't know what it is about them, uh, them Alabama guys, you and McKnight, all the guys had up, up, up in the way ups. And I don't know if people realize that, but you were a high flyer, a six, 10 guy that finished above the rim. And then you turned yourself, I think it was the back injury that you turned yourself in more of a shooter, you still could punch those folks, but not like you could when you first got into Houston. No, it's so weird when you come into the,

funny story is like my middle son, he came to me one time like, daddy, you don't ever dunk anymore, you can't even dunk. And it was that one dunk in the playoffs against the Detroit Pistons that I dunked on real Pelham, and I took it outside the bank. And I was like, see, your dad can still dunk, I just don't have to. But you know, the weird part about it is when I got to the Lakers, they were like, oh, we don't

want you to, you know, they said we need you to just spot up. And the worst thing as an athlete, any athletes listening is don't let coaches limit you and what you can do. And I think, you know, this day and age is a little bit different. Back then it was a little bit more, I need you to do this, this and this. And so in my mind became, OK, this is what they want me to do. Spot up and shoot threes and all this kind of stuff. But I showed my youngest son, Christian, who's at UCLA. So let me show you something, man. Come sit down.

And I showed him my highlights. I mean, in Rockets, when I used to dunk, he looked at me like, damn, you had hops. I was like, yeah, I showed him my highlights. I mean, Rockets, when I used to dunk, he looked at me like, damn, you had hops! I was like, yeah, I just stopped doing it. Because I didn't have room to do it because Shaq was in the damn way. That's dope. That's live.

Hey Rob, some of those clutch shots you hit, were you ever, did you ever keep any of the balls? No, man. shots you hit? Did you ever keep any of the balls? Especially, I mean, you got some really, really, really good moments. And for me, I personally would want to keep those balls. You know, you don't have any. I have one. I have one from, it's actually the game seven ball against the Knicks. I have that. And the only reason I have that is because I told the guys, because the first two points of game seven was me dunking on Patrick Ewing.

And I was like, I want that ball. I want that ball. So I have that ball. And I wish I had the one I made against the Kings because shit, if I lost, if I bended you and lost, I'd just sell that and get me a lot of money to cover that. So I know these Laker fans would love that ball. So hey, but but but speaking of you talking about balls and being able to sell a ball and get you a lot of money. Listen, I got a prized possession. That's what I meant to say. I'm supposed to have it enclosed in a case, right? But I got the I got the game ball when LeBron hit his 50th point.

But I got the guy got the game ball when LeBron hit his 50th point 50,000 Yeah, like listen 50,000 point and that's something that you would think Yeah, so it's a 50,000 point ball right now you see 50,000 point You follow hard time to try to, if I ever fall on hard times, I mean, it's just here going to come in handy. If you fall on hard times and try to send that ball, you're going to steal hard times. Exactly. You might end up on real hard times. Greg Popovich stepped out as a coach of the San Antonio Spurs today, ending a nearly three decade run that saw him lead the team to five championships He's the all-time winning his coach in NBA history and he's a three-time coach of the year and he's a Hall of Fame going to gold medal and

He's inducted to the basketball Hall of Fame Rob. You played for pop. What what wasn't about pop that made him special What was your what's going to be your lasting memory of playing for pop? I? What was your, what's going to be your lasting memory of playing for Pop? I think for me is just how genuine he was. And, you know, he, he was one of those coaches where he's one of those coaches where he'll yell at you and then take you to have some Nokia and some wine. You know, it's two favorite things. And for me, I think I tell this story all the time. The one thing that really made me fall in love with the guy was my daughter Who passed away was really sick my last year with the Spurs and she went into the hospital like at the beginning of the season

And he was like don't don't come back until she's out of the hospital And I sat in the hospital with her for like three weeks And then she finally got out of the hospital and I came back like a day after he says she out of the hospital Like yeah, she got home like two days ago. He said she ain't out of the woods and I came back like a day after. He says, she out of the hospital? Like, yeah, she got home like two days ago. He says, she ain't out of the woods yet. Go back home. You know, we don't really need you right now. And I looked at him like, are you trying to get rid of me on the slide?

He said, no, man, family first. You know, family first. And that's what, that's how Pop always was, man. You know, I just heard the day about the story of Demar DeRosa when his pops passed and all that. It's like, and that goes to show you, you know, there's some things bigger than a freaking game, right? And pop realized that, you know, he was always about, you know, spending time

with your family, doing what's important. And I remember even my last year I went to him and I was like, you know, I want to ask a favor. Like what? I said, it's my last year. I said, can I? I mean, my son's on spring break. We going on a road trip. Can I bring my son with me? He's like, man, yeah,

don't even ask me a question like that. It's, you know, it's about the family. It's about doing things. And a lot of teams wouldn't let you do that. You know, cause I remember with, I remember the Lakers back in day, you said, hey, can't get the flight back. No, liability, you know, insurance thing.

I'm like, what? Is this a flight home? So, but Pop was, he was really, really good about, man. If it came down to your family, you do whatever's necessary for your family. This is Courtside with Laura Corenti, the podcast that's changing the game and breaking down the business of women's sports

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Yeah, Timmy was one of these superstars that if you didn't watch the game, you would never know. He was a superstar He didn't dress like a superstar. He'll I'm gonna be showing up when you pick up an empty petrova with flip-flops and shorts What? What? What? The swing on Tim. Yeah, on George. You remember that, Bob? Yeah, yeah, on Gene Shorz. Gene Shorz with Will Plop. And he, David Stern like, hey, but that was Timmy. What was it about Coach Pop and Tim's relationship that made it so unique and special? I think we're gonna back this up a little bit

because you really have to credit David Robinson. Okay. Because you think really have to credit David Robinson. Okay. Because you think about he had David Robinson when Tim came and David was like, yo, this is what we do here. And Tim just follow suit. You know, Tim is just that type of guy. He doesn't say much.

You can tell. If you talk about cars, he'll talk to you. Talk about video games, he'll talk to you. Talk about poker, those three things. And he'll talk about that. He ain't gonna really talk to you. It's like, for us, you know, it took me a year just to get him to say a couple of words to me.

But he is just a, he is a type of guy who's really focused. We don't, you know, we always talk about Kobe the Workout, I think we talk about it, but this dude was always in the gym shooting jump shots, you know, always trying to perfect that bank shot, which we know he's famous for shooting a lot of free throws because you know, that was one of his downfalls was his free throws. One of his weeks was when he came in. Yeah, and he just, he worked hard,

but he was just, if you talk about guys who, you know, I used to, I had to get onto him one time, like, dude, can you fucking yell at somebody, man? You sitting there like with your mouth closed, you know, you yell at someone, you're gonna be like, yeah, everybody's gonna perk up and listen. So he was very mild-minded, well, he's mild-minded, he didn't wanna say much, but the guy was,

he competed and when he let you into his world, one of the nicest guys you'll meet. You mentioned the Twin Towers because David Robinson was there, but when David was there, I mean they won them championship with David, but David was on the tail end of his career. That was, I mean basically the Tim Duncan team from the time he walked in the door. Oh he was, yeah. He was just that good and he was one of the last guys that was a true senior

that was a number one overall. Kenyon Martin was the last one I think in 2000, but Timmy was what? That was the number one overall. Kenyon Martin was the last one, I think, in 2000. But Timmy was what? 98? I think the 98 draft was Timmy's first year. But he was the last of those guys that went four years of college and came out. So he was more than ready, more than prepared for the grind, because basically he was a grown man when he wasn't 18, he wasn't 17. Tim Duncan was a 22-year-old grown man when he wasn't 18. He wasn't 17 Tim douglas was a 22 year old grown man when he got to the NBA So you tell me some I did not know I thought he came out earlier You just so you say everybody coming out early, you know think about and that's the one thing I hate about the NBA

I know these dudes are Freaking 21 when they get to college now, but I just wish that That is about to say David Stern, that Adam Civil put like two years onto it because these guys, you can tell by the way these guys play now, that's why so many threes are being shot because they don't know how to play. They doing what's easy, just taking the threes and not learning the game.

You know, you got some guys that don't come in the league that know how to play the game because of the upbringing and how they would talk, but it's just, it's just, it's just a lot of bad basketball being played because guys don't know how to play the game because of the upbringing and how they would talk. But it's just a lot of bad basketball being played because guys don't know how to play. You know, you think about tonight, watching the game, like, dude, the first thing you learn in high school and college is how to beat a damn zone. The zone is the easiest freaking thing to beat

and you can't beat a zone. It's like, go to the open spots, go to the dunk spot, go back door. And it just shows you right there that the guys aren't learning anything because they all just trying to, you know, get to the Duncan spot, go back door. And it just shows you right there that the guys aren't learning anything because they all just trying to, you know, get to the next level to league without learning something. Rob, you played with some of the greats.

I mean, you was on a team with Tim Duncan, you was on a team with Shaq and Colby. You were on a team with a lot, Dream and Drexler. And I know people ask you, what the difference between Dream and Duncan, the difference between Duncan and Shaq, the difference between Clyde and Colby. What are some of the different, look, because look, all of those guys that I just mentioned are top 75 greatest players in NBA history. MVP's, finals MVP's, defensive players of the year.

When you got to the Rockets, what was it about the dream that you know? Okay, this guy's special What set him apart? Oh Shit, I knew dream was special. I watched him in high school When I was coming out I want to play alongside this guy, you know I was praying that I went to the Rockets and no God wouldn't I did because you could just see His work ethic, you know, you watched him You know, guys always talking about going into the lab. Dream would be in the lab and we didn't even know it. He would be working on stuff

and then he'll just all of a sudden get in the game. You know, you think about in 95, how he annihilated David Robertson. Yeah, cause he said they took the game and took his MVP for them. Yeah, all that stuff we had never seen before. You should have seen us on the court. We're going like, oh, kill him Dream. Oh you should see those on the court like oh

You became fans on the court right and so he just and you watch him man He just played hard man you think about you know back in the day when he you forget he used to knock some people out Too oh yeah, you know he had that toughness you know you do elbow him He would he wasn't because only a $50 fine and you know punch someone in the face And so he had that toughness and he just had that. The one thing about Dream though is, he, we talk about how hard guys play, it's like how hard Giannis plays, how hard Bronson plays, how hard these guys.

Dream play hard each and every night. And you know, people would talk about who's the greatest center, who's this, who's that. Dream to me is always gonna to be top three centers. Because if he needed to shoot threes, he could have shot threes. He didn't because he had us out there and you couldn't stop him in the paint any damn way, so he just going to kill you that way. So he was just, you know, he was just a hard worker and the more important great

guy, cause he taught me about the business of basketball. He was like, yo, I remember one time at a Christmas party, he took me outside and said, listen, listen, you're going to be on this team now. Let's talk about things outside of basketball. What you doing with your money? How's the family? Are you investing?

Do you have the right people? He was just a good guy. A lot of guys now, they won't come to you and be like, yo man, you need to check your finance, you need to do this. They're like, fuck it, I learned it on my own, you on your own. And so that's one of the things I love about Dream.

He taught me about the business of basketball. So you leave Houston and you go to the, well, you know you have, you didn't go right to- You gotta go there, man. No, you have a little- You gotta talk about the signs, man. You have a little pin started standing up and feeding. You have a cup ofced star to sit and feed it.

You have a cup of coffee at the airport. It got right back on the plane and went to LA. So you get to LA, Shaq and Kobe. You're like, damn, got Shaq, got Kobe. What y'all need me to do? You know what's weird? When I got there, man, I was looking at the team. We had Nick Ben Exler at the point. Yep.

We had Eddie Jones at the two. I said, okay, I can play the three, you know, back then I was a three man. Right. And I said, we got a young guy like this, you know, everybody's like, oh, you gotta see this rookie Kobe Bryant. I'm like, who? And then you get to the practice. You see how good this dude is.

Okay. He's learning. And then you got Shaq, you know, you say, okay, Shaq just got beaten nine and five in the finals. And you got all this talent. You know, you say, okay, Shaq just got beaten nine and five in the finals and you got all this talent. I said, oh man, we gotta do some work. I said, we're gonna do some work for some years because everybody's young. Right.

Everybody's under 30. But sometimes it goes to show you too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to basketball, ain't good. You gotta have some guys that are glue guys, some screw guys, you know, some folks and do the things to keep the team together. And you think about, we had four All-Stars. And then we got swept by a damn team that had been together for 30 years.

You know, that was Kobe's rookie year, wasn't it? That was Kobe's rookie year, yeah. Mm-hmm, yep. And then the final, and then in 1999, we got beat by the Spurs, lost the last game in the forum to the Spurs. And that was when we got new coaches and we said we got rid of Nick, we got rid of Eddie, and we brought in defensive-minded people.

You know, we brought in Ron Harper, we brought in B Shaw, we brought in Rick Fox, we did all these things. We brought in AC Green, and it was that glue. Was Ho Grant there then, or Ho Grant only came for the last time? Ho Grant was on the second championship in 2001. Right. Yeah, so, and it was just weird, man. You just, and it goes to show you when you got too much talent, it can get in the way. But when you got enough talent and you got guys who are mature, and you can tell Kobe

and Shaq to shut up and sit your ass down and do what you're supposed to do, they're gonna, you're thinking about it. We used to tell Kobe and all, dude, you ain't doing that tonight. Shaq, you ain't doing that. And they will listen to us because we are veteran guys. You know, now you got this going on guys, you know, respect us. And we had a lot of respect for one another and it was no animosity. And people always ask me about the Kobe Shaq thing. I was like, man, I must have been fucking blinded

because they never had beef in front of us. It was all in the papers, man. And that was the weirdest thing when people would talk about it. I'm like, they in the locker room laughing and joking. They the first people to hug after a championship. I know, you tell me, you won a championship. Who was the first person you hugbed

after you won a championship? It's probably your favorite player on the team. Yeah, absolutely. And so that's why I was like, man, for Rob, they would say, oh, they beat you. And I'm like, when? Where? So it was just weird to me. How good was Shaq? You look at Shaq and I tell people, I don't think people realize how athletic Shaq was.

When Shaq got to the league, like Shaq first five or six years, when Shaq was like 7'1", 3'25", and can move like a dare. We're never gonna see that again. You're never gonna see a guy his size with that kind of agility. You're just not. Now you might have like a yogi got the footwork and Joel and me got footwork, but I'm talking about raw athleticism and power. You're never gonna see Shaquille O'Neal again.

Never. Yeah, never. You know, you think about if you always talk, if you start a team, if I can take the 2000, the 1999, 2000 Shack, the MVP Shack and have him, that Shack and put him on. That's my first person, not Jordan, not Dream, not Kareem. That's the first person I picked to start my life. I can get that Shack because he was just so dominant. He was just so strong, so athletic. You think about this. This guy can bring the ball down, cross you, or spin, take off from outside the paint, then monkey dunk on your ass, and then you can do it. You know? And you go back and look at a lot of tape. And I've heard this out of Riff's mouth, I'm sitting there. You can hear all you hear on him, and he's not getting the call.

They're like, oh, he's too big. He should be able to handle it. I'm like, dude, it's a freaking foul. He's slapping this. I said, all right, y'all gonna piss him off. And then I'm going to get out of the way. He goes, sorry, elbowing people. And you can tell when he got frustrated because he'll do that spin and put the elbow up.

He comes like this. He don't care who he in. I'm like, so yeah, he was, he was, like I said, if you got one player, one moment, I'm taking $19.99, $2,000 check, and I'm starting a team with that guy, if I can get that guy each and every night. Okay, Kobe. You, you, Kobe is, is, is a 17, he gets there at 17. Now by the time they start to win championships He's the Kobe. He's he's become

What he became and you get to see it on full display. He can still elevate over the top. He got the minute He could blow up bop bop. Oh, he had he had the package And if you needed to sit in the chair for 40 minutes and take the polling team's point two three. I got it. Best player. Yeah. And he wanted that challenge. And you know, you know, I know you think LeBron is the greatest of all time and you people talk about MJ being the greatest of all time. I want you to think you, when you watch Kobe Bryant, he did every freaking thing like MJ. And he probably took it to another level.

When Kobe first came into the league, we used to laugh and joke, like, you can't shoot threes. He'd just shoot threes like MJ. But we would joke with him, so that dude would be in the gym every morning at 5 o'clock shooting them with threes. And now he can shoot threes. And it's things like that, why he was great you Could tell him he was not good at something He would prove you wrong by going and working on it and add it to his game This dude, you know, God rest his soul was the hardest working dude I've ever seen in my life and you think about where he went from his rookie year where he just played

Wow, yeah, you know, he didn't have no structure to his game to understand that, oh, I got to tone this down. You know, I don't know if it's because he talked to MJ, he talked to Phil and whatnot, but when he got Phil, it made him more structured than I've ever seen before. So the dude was just phenomenal, man. So I hate when we talk about the GOAT

and we never bring him up. Like, cause it's like, you know, to me, the GOATs are MJ, Colby, LeBron, and Kareem. Those are the GOATs. And why do we have to put one, one, two, one, three, and four? Those four guys right there, why can't just four GOATs? That's the Mount Rushmore right there. Why didn't, playing on that team alongside Shaq and Kobe, why didn't they win more individual MVPs? Kobe didn't win one until later, late like 2001, I think 2009 to

2010, he won the MVP. Why didn't they win? Why didn't Shaq win more MVPs? Why didn't Kobe win MVPs? Did they cancel each other out? I don't think they cancel each other. I just think, you know, if you, if you look at the league back then, it was hard to win back to backs unless you was a white guy named Steve Nash. You know, you think about that second Steve Nash. You're the one that in Miami for real though. So it's so many things you can look at. It's just weird. You know,

you think about MJ when he was in the league. He didn't win it every year. You know, it's always someone different. And like, you think about this year, even though Jokic is having the best freaking career, best year of his career, he ain't going to win. They're going to probably give him the shake. You know, and it's just how they do it. And I don't know why, but I think Kobe should probably run at least three.

Shaq should run at least, I think Shaq should run at least two. You know, I think it's, I think the beginning he should have wanted and then the following year he should have wanted. Okay. You know, other than that, I think, you know, cause you think about his third year, my third championship, he wasn't as dominant as he was, he was still effective. He just didn't bring that. You think about it, he wasn't the Shaq before was he was still effective he just didn't bring that you think about he wasn't the Shaq before that and that's what they

based off they always say okay we gonna take your last year what did you do better than that year and I think it was just consistent he never like went up a little bit to another level. Tim Duncan yeah Tim Duncan had one of the great games. He had a damn near quadruple double. He was two blocks away from a quadruple double in an NBA finals game. When he played, when he played, uh, the, the nets, uh, that you, I think he had 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and eight blocks.

Yeah. But that was a nest man, a nest. No! That was a nest. We had just swept the nest a year before that or whatever it was, a nest was like, you know, poor Jaycee Kee and Richard Jefferson, that crew, you know, you was a beast in the East,

but when it came to playing the teams in the West, you were just like, you like the Leggans and the Clippers, you're just a little brother, so. They made it a good challenge, but you go back and look at the East back then, East was terrible, man. They were god awful. And so, but Tim Duncan though, that goes to show you when he wants to take over, he can take over, man.

And the one thing I like about Tim, when it comes to blocking shots, he didn't care if you dunked him. He's like, shit, I don't care. I don't have social media. I don't care what you say. You know, people in San Antonio gonna still bow down to me.

And you know, most guys will shy away from trying to, you know, go up against a vintage car thinking you might get dunked on. They're like, nah, I ain't challenged that. Tim didn't give a shit. He would try to challenge you anyway to block it because he knew nine times out of 10, he was gonna block it.

It's gonna start a fast break. All right, your Mount Rushmore teammates, you get four teammates on Mount Rushmore, who you going with? Dream, Shaq, Kobe, Clyde. Damn, you ain't doing Clyde over Timmy. You know what, this is one of the things, you know, I love Timmy, but I'm going Clyde. Clyde is my boy, man. You know, sometimes personal feelings get in the way sometimes. Hey, I'm going to Steve Kerr right now. Hey, but you know, people don't, I think people forget how good Clyde was, man.

Oh yeah. I mean, he took kind of a backseat role when he got to Houston, but Portland Clyde, I remember when he was dunking on everybody in five slammer jammer at the University of Houston. But Clyde used to elevate. Yeah. You know what, and the reason I put Tim in there is because I'm watching the Hall of Fame ceremony and I watch Rudy T get inducted and then when Rudy T gave me a shout out for the Hall of Fame and they pan through the crowd and Tim didn't clap.

So that's why he ain't on my rush board. I thought the cops to the motherfucker. I saved your ass in 2005. Excuse my life. Like, you better get your ass up and clap. Spurs got some cap space. They got a night. Hey, they got Stefan Castle, rookie of the year, Wimby, who's a previous rookie of the year.

I think I do they, would you make the move for Yonis? Would you try to package some pieces for Yonis? Us. That's the thing you got, don't you forget about Darren Fox. I think that's hard to say. I would because you can't pass him. Oh, I think that's gonna be the hottest commodity this summer. Everybody's gonna want the Greek freak because he's that type of player.

You know, I mentioned earlier how hard he played. So this is going to be really interesting to see where he goes. If Milwaukee want to give him up. But if I'm the, if I'm the Spurs, we got the cast space to why not go out there because, you know, he loved it there because he got a, one thing about the Spurs franchise is it's a good franchise. They're a very humble franchise and you don't have to worry about a lot of outside noise. You think about in LA and in Chicago, New York, there's a lot of outside noise.

So you being in Milwaukee are used to the outside noise being at a minimum. So if you go to the Spurs, you in the same thing. So I don't know if he wants that. I don't know if he wants to, you know, be more, you know, I can't get no more notable than you are as Greek Freak, but does he want a bigger market? That's where it boils down. He wants that market.

It boils down to a bigger market. I haven't talked to Greek Freak, but I talked to the powers at B. We're going to do everything we can to get him down here in Miami. I've told, I've told that already. I'm not sure why he continues to ask that question. Um, Hey Rob, I've sat down with Mickey Harris and I sat down with Pat Riley. Pat is, is willing to change some of his ways and let the reins go a little bit on

the way he conducts himself and to come to, to, uh, the entity that is known as the Miami Heat. So, uh, and we also also gonna get Ja Moron too. You don't know if that dog. Yeah, I'm just telling you anytime. He was feeling great in Miami, but you gonna have to give up a lot to get him to Miami. That's fine.

That's fine. Listen, we wanna get him. But then, if you give up stuff, you're gonna be right where the Phoenix Suns are. You give up all that, you got three guys making 150 million, but your bench sucks. Same thing happened when Carmelo left the Nuggets. He went to the Knicks, but what he wanted to play with, they ended up going to Denver. And then you had to trade those draft picks, so now you're there, you're basically by yourself,

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