Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Rodgers passes blame, Lamar underwhelming,

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 13 of the NFL season including New York Jets QB Aaron Rodgers passing blame yet again and Bill Belichick saying he believes Rodgers will rebound in 2025, an underwhelming performance from Baltimore Ravens’ Lamar Jackson and Justin Tucker missing 3 different kicks for Baltimore in a 24-19 loss to Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles.03:13 - Lamar Jackson leads in Pro Bowl votes07:10 - Aaron Rodgers passes the blame10:40 - Bears Head Coach position opening up?15:24 - Christian McCaffrey suffered potentially season-ending injury18:46 - Eagles versus Ravens30:23 - Steelers vs. Bengals58:18 - Seahawks vs. Jets(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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See dkng.com slash promos for deposit, wagering, and eligibility restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Ocho Lamar Jackson Lee, all players and initial Provo vote. Lamar has received the most fan Provo votes of any player. Derek Henry is second. Next on the list is Saquon Barkley. Third on the list is Josh Allen. Fourth on the list, yeah, fourth on the list is Josh Allen. So Lamar is one, Derek Henry is two, Saquon is three, Josh Allen is four, and Jameer Gibbs is fifth. Are there any, is there a surprising omission to you?

I mean, no. I mean, you look at everybody, look at everybody that you name and look at their resume to date and what they've done so far this season. I mean, it's in the right pick and order. It's in the right pick and order. I mean, some might switch Josh Allen and Lamar, but either way, it's all the right pick and order. It's in the right pick and order. I mean, some might switch Josh Allen and Lamar,

but either way, it's all based on preference right now. If we were to have an MVP, I think Josh Allen might be leading that race. I think you would win too. So it all depends. And if it's fan voting, if it's player voting, it all comes down to preference, especially if it's pro-bow voting,

because everybody that you just named, regardless of order, is playing phenomenal effing football right now. So you can't go wrong no matter what. There's no Patrick Mahomes, there's no Travis Kelsey. For obvious reasons. I know they have a winning record, but they're not playing well from an individual standpoint as a team. Yes Yeah individually. Uh-uh

Matter of fact and go ahead go ahead. I don't even think I don't even think they would be able to go to they They wouldn't be around to go to the pro bowl anyway No For me, they might be playing possum. You never know. No, I mean, I don't think they would have earned it. Now sometimes guys get to go on reputation. Yeah, name alone. Yeah.

But if you look at it and say, this individual earned the right to participate in the Pro Bowl, I'm going to say no. Right. I'm going to say no. Right. I'm gonna say no. Now you take three quarter... First of all, three quarterbacks go. I don't like the way they do it now because they have the Pro Bowl before the Super Bowl.

So you know normally, the quarterback that makes the Super Bowl, he's gonna be a Pro Bowl player. He's not gonna go. So that's why you get these guys all of a sudden, oh, he's a Pro Bowl throw. He was the ninth alternate Nobody else wanted to go. I

Mean if you want to put a half on Joe once man, they like Now you got that ninth and eighth guy cook. Come on, bro, bro They took the back up to Lamar from Baltimore one year to the Pro Bowl the quarterback. I don't know chill. Yeah, take it a backup You got 16 starters, he a backup, nobody else wanting to go, but that's on his resume. Right. But you're right, I agree with everything you say. I don't believe Patrick nor Trav has earned the right. Brock Bowers should be the starting AFC at the Pro Bowl.

At the tight end position. At the tight end position, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Man, he's playing really, really well. Really good. Yeah, and I'm trying to think. With the quarterback carousel at that.

Yes, yes, yes. And they getting in the rock. But he deserves it. Man, hey, I thought when I watched him as a freshman, I said, this guy can play in the league, and he's really good. And then I saw him in sophomore year. I said, yeah, he'll talk to him pick. You can see it. His ability to his ability to track the

football, his ability to run after the catch. He can catch it on crowd. I mean, he's fluid at his size. I mean, offensively, he has he has no weaknesses. Right. And that's what you're looking for. These guys, you got to be able to play in space. You got to be a match-up nightmare. And he's a match-up nightmare for your safety, for your linebackers, for your corners, because of his size, because of his quickness.

He's really, really good. I mean, he has the potential to be historically good. After Jeff lost his seat to the Seahawks, Rodgers was asked about his pedestrian statistics. And he was quick to remind everyone it's not all his fault. There are 11 guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault. Definitely multiple times today. And then sometimes the details

aren't there in other spots. The Jets are three and nine. They're O and five when Rodgers have the chance to win the game late He threw a brutal pick six since 2022 Rogers ranks 30 out of 35 quarterbacks and total QBR Ocho at some point in time, bro. You just got to say Yeah Most quarter when Brady see the thing is Brady is quick.

Manny, the great quarterback, and I'm not talking about the average guy. I'm talking about the great, because I think Rodgers deserved to be mentioned with those guys. They ask you about you. I'm not playing with Coach O. Shannon, you know what, Shannon,

you're not having your typical year. Yeah, man, I ain't playing well. I'm not seeing the ball, you know. I just not playing well. It's, it's, and I, you know, I need to take advantage of the opportunities when they present themselves. I think sometimes because I'm trying to force it, because I feel like the opportunities that I normally would get aren't there.

I'm trying to magnify that. So if I get an opportunity, I'm trying to make three opportunities, and I can't. I'm trying to make everything a home run because I'm trying to make every, I'm trying to show everybody that I'm still that guy. That's all you have to do, Ojo. Why mention anybody else? They ask you about your-

Yeah, he's not going to do that. He's not going to do that. And actually they got the wrong people that are asking the questions. You know, if you, if you got the right person to ask the question, they're going to ask the question in such a way where you have no choice but to answer it in a way that we want to hear directly. Not around the bush, not about your numbers. I'm talking about specifically where you can't dodge, you can't beat around the bush, where

you can't even miss anybody else because the question is going to be directly pertained to just you, not even give you the angle to be able to put others in it. Yes, we all know it's a team game, but we ain't talking about the team right now. We talk about you. Yes. It's all in the questioning, all in the questioning. It's just tough for him.

And it's hard, Ocho, when you've been great for a long time, and all of a sudden you're not great anymore and you see your mortality man that's a hey he can't go get you the 300 yard games in them for touchdown games like he could in Green Bay he can't just whip it we'll let that you see him do this we last time you see the discount double Oh, you know his favorite thing. Yeah, that little fist. Yeah, we ain't get that. We might get it next year. Well he must be playing golf or something. Listen, wherever he gonna be playing. I know one thing, the Jets don't have no options

right now. Him on the run? They still don't. Even with him there. They don't have an option. Oh Joe he's about to be 41 He's about to be 41 at what situation do you get better with age playing a professional sport at that age? I'm not saying that like when you know, oh Joe, you know you in your 20s and you head to watch your friend He's long past the friend. So when when when do you start to get better at that age? The Bears joined the Jets, Saints as team to find their head coach in the season this year.

Ocho, do you believe the Chicago Bears will be one of the most coveted jobs from a head coaching staff, from a head coaching position in the NFL? I think so. Simply because you have a quarterback. You have a quarterback that you can work with. The quarterback has the foundation. He has something that you can work with, depending on who comes in there.

What type of offense are you gonna have for that foresaid quarterback? Can you find a way to keep DJ Mo happy? Can you find a way to keep Kenny Allen happy? Adding some more pieces to that team offensively, adding some more pieces to that team offensively, I think it could be a nice job. It all depends on who the coach is. I told you what I told you, I told you what I said

and what I like, hell, I like God damn Bill going there. Hell, I like God damn Bill going anywhere. I think all Bill needs is a God damn quarterback. An organization like Chicago would be perfect for Bill. They're gonna give you the keys and allow you to do everything you need to do to allow them to compete in the NFC again. Is he gonna be able to relate to today's players?

Maybe be the 85 Bears once again. You never know. Is he going to be able to relate to today's players? Listen, one of the greatest things in life that God has given everybody is the ability to adapt to their surroundings in the areas that they're in. I'm sure he will be able to.

How malitable has he been in his career? Why wouldn't he do it in New England then if he's so easy to adapt? I can't answer that for him. What you just said that he has the ability to adapt. Listen, you have to be able to adapt to have that kind of success at anything you do. What did he adapt to?

He was rigid, hardline, what did he adapt to? We're in different times. I think Bill understands we're in different times. In order for you to have that same success, some of the things that you're used to doing, you got to do them different. I think he understands that by looking at the landscape and seeing way. You know what? I got to approach it differently if I get the opportunity to be a head coach again. Because this is how today's players are. I can see that. This is how I'm the coach.

Because now he's forced to do that. Yeah. Sometimes that's what it takes. Some, some, some times, sometimes with that, sometimes it has to be against the wall for you to see things differently and change your perspective in the way you do. Yeah. My back, your back is before it.

I have nothing to do with the game of football. Yes My back has been against the wall before it had nothing to do with the game of football I know okay if I don't straight it up if I don't straight about right now You already know the end result is I? Still believe the greatest the greatest people's Bible is adaptability that to I still believe the greatest, the greatest, the greatest Bible is adaptability. That too. It's not size. It's not strength.

It's not speed. It's being able to adapt to the ever a changing. And there are two things that can get around you. Ego and your pride. Ego and your pride can get in the way of that. If you're able to compartmentalize and set those aside and understanding whatever that end goal may be. And then it doesn't just have to be football.

You don't have to be just you coaching them, but just life in general, setting that, that pride of your side for the betterment of whatever end goal you're trying to reach. It'll help. I think if, if he's going to have to be think if he's going to have to be that kind of that Coach Belichick that's on the inside of the NFL, and he can't be so rigid, and he can't be so structured, and he can't be so what he was in New England. First of all, he doesn't have Tom Brady running interference for him anymore. Yeah.

Because Tom was the Patriot way. You heard the guys. Bill was not coached but we played for Tom. Hold on, let me change my camera getting blurry. Hold on. It's still blurry. Whoa. Man, get your skeletoid ass face up back up by the camera, man.

Damn. Man, back up. Oh, yeah, that's better. Yeah. You need to shave too. Oh, yeah, that's better. Yeah You need to save to Yeah, I got a real no real I feel why don't Yeah, you do yeah you do I ain't even know, I ain't even know Skeletor hand raiser pumps. Nah, that's all clean. That's Skeletor.

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Ocho, Kyle Shanahan said, Kristen McCaffrey suffered a potentially seasoned ending PCL. Wait, that was non-contact. Or was it previously when he got tripped up? You think it happened previously? They showed that play, but you knew as soon as like that knee buckle,

when he took off, you could see that knee buckle. And then he like gave himself up. So you knew something, I was like, damn, did the Achilles, did the calf go? But Kyle Shanahan just said his press conference just Christian McCaffrey. So for the potentially season ending it's over it'll make him They just had the Planner I think it was his right. I think it wasn't right one

No, he had a key had a calf injury that led into his Achilles and No, he had a calf injury that led into his Achilles. And, and the thing, Ocho, and you know the thing is, is that I, what do we say all the time? If you limp into the season, oh, you limping out of it. How do you get healthy during the season? It's impossible. The, the number one thing when anybody have surgery or anybody have an injury, what do they tell you the most important thing? Oh Joe rest

Are you here? They working the dog crap out of you listen So much because in order to get you back to the playing speed and get you acclimated to Game tempo you got some type of work. You got to put some work. Because once they put you right there, you got to put that work. The bullets are firing.

Hey, them boys moving. Them boys are moving. They know they can do. Dan, I'm sad. I'm sad for him. Prayers of the Lecee Magnus. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball,

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that keep all of us NBA fans coming back for more. Basically, if you love basketball and you like to laugh, listen to Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosties, an NBA podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Brought to you by Hypnotic. The game of the day, the Eagles defeated the Ravens 24-19. Justin Tucker has lost multiple games this season and left seven points off the board

tonight. He continued this season long struggles by missing two field goals and a PAT. One from 47, one from 43. His two failed field goals came in the third when Baltimore trailed 14 to 12. This is the first time that he's missed three kicks in a game and he put a major dent in the AOC in the Ravens opportunity to win the North.

Tucker has missed eight field goals, but he's missed 10 kicks if I'm not mistaken. Eight field goals and two PHEs this season, which is a single season high. Harbaugh is sticking with Tucker. We saw him go to them on the sidelines, say, we believe in you, you hugged him. If you're asking me, are we going to move on from Justin Tucker? I'm not really planning on doing that right now. I don't think that would be wise. Did you hear the key words you just said? I don't like that. I don't like that. Did he say right now or did you just add that in there? No, he said that right now. I don't plan on doing that right now. I'm not really planning on doing that right now. I don't think that'd be wise. I don't like that. Listen. I don't like that.

Listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Also, also the chat. Talk to it. Chat, y'all listen to me now. I know I play around a lot, when it comes to saying some of the things that I've done, but all of you know,

my history and my resume as a kicker, especially in NFL, I know what that feel like. I understand the pressures that go into what Justin Tucker is going through right now. I understand the pressures that go into what Justin Tucker is going through right now. I understand the pressures of already having the moniker being the greatest kicker of all time

based on what you did in the past. But what you've done in the past when it comes to the NFL is always, yeah, it ain't got nothing to do with that. It ain't got nothing to do with that. What have you done for me lately? Right now, I don't watch much baseball, but I can tell what Justin is in.

He's in the slump. He's in a slump. Sometimes, uh, he got the yip right now, Ocho. Oh yeah. You got the yip. You got the yip right now. Justin Tucker is in a slump and you know what happened when players in a slump? It gets to your hair. You got to be mentally strong.

He has for one and know how to get back into rhythm to get back to what you were doing in the past Being the Justin Tucker that we're used to saying you got to envision that mother up here right now is getting to it He think about missing the kick before he even kicked the ball, which is why he's missing the kicks Mm-hmm, and it's always and they seem to be always very into the left. Hey always very good. Look at It's kind of like... That's all mechanics. That's all mechanics.

On your follow through, on your swing, you got to stop your leg at a certain point. If it's always veering to the left, if anything, adjust your split, adjust your alignment, face the ball up a different way because everything is happening and reoccurring the same way. Kickers watch film. I'm a kicker. I'm telling you I know some of you might laugh at me. I'm serious. I know what it is. I know what Justin Tucker's going through He's going to be alright. I Don't like the words that hardball said

You'll do the best in the world like that just because you're going through a slump because you have quarterbacks. Quarterbacks go through slumps too. Sometimes even the best go through a bad season or bad stringer games where they just can't get themselves out of a funk. But at some point they turn it around, especially at the position. Once he gets it here, you got to visualize it here. Once you visualize it here and get that confidence back. He'll be fine The question is if he gonna get it back this year

Because it doesn't matter if he gets it back next year because they're trying to make the playoff this year And we how many times have the Ravens he kicked the Ravens to the Super Bowl as a rookie as an undrafted rookie he went to Denver and made the game winning kick and That launched him that put him on his way. We've seen guys. It's you mentioned the sport drafted rookie, he went to Denver and made the game winning kick. And that launched him, that put him on his way. We've seen guys, you mentioned the sport. Uh, you go back and look at golf, you look at David Duvall, you look at Ian Baker, Finch, they had the yips. You mentioned baseball, look at Chuck Nogblock, look at Rick and Kiel. Rick and Kiel had to move to the outfield because he couldn't get the ball over

home plate. Chubb Knoblock could not throw the ball. He's a second baseman. He could not throw it to the first baseman. Steve Sachs had a similar situation. We've seen guys do it. David Duvall left. Ian Baker-Fitz ended up leaving because they couldn't punt. Yeah. Hey, but listen. Rick Ankeel moved to the outfield because he could not throw the ball over the plate. It's tough. Lamar Jackson did not play a good game today, Ocho. He really never found his rhythm.

Had multiple fumbles, but he recovered those. Had a lot of overthrows. He had likely. He he could hit like little that Little bit yeah, yes. Oh, yeah Likely start running like what he gotta be throwing somebody else Cuz he hey he run it he saw with the ball going So he just started like with somebody out in front of me And then he come back and in the form of the ball He was six and fifteen on third down the touchdown that he got Oh Joe that was late in the game because they don't get that

Touchdown this shut out in the second half Lamar said he has a his mother cursed him out after the game for not running more and not hitting the running lanes The Ravens finished two or five in the red zone. You know what? He didn't play well today On a day in which the defense, they held, they held, they held and held and they was needing Lamar to be Lamar. You know what? It didn't happen for him today. One thing that I watched tonight, I love Lamar.

I love that Lamar has proved that, you know what? I'm not just a run of the ball. I'm gonna show you I can pass. I'm gonna show you I can pass. Listen, I know you can pass the ball. I'm going to show you I can pass. I'm going to show you I can pass. Listen, I know you can pass the ball, young bull, but I need you to be special. You know, on nights like tonight and games like tonight, I need you to be special in what makes you you.

I need you to do what you were doing at Boynton Beach High School when I used to go watch you back there when you was a legit. Take off with the ball, baby, if it ain't there. Sometimes you got to go through your progression. One, two, and three. Sometimes you can look at one if one ain't there. Man take off and go with that thing. Sometimes you got to go off script. Sometimes you got to go off script and do what makes you you. You especially you're a two-time MVP for a reason. I would have loved to see the Ravens win the game

tonight. I would have loved for, especially when your kickers not playing as well as he should be. Well, who has to overcome that? Right. Number eight, Lamar. When Lamar is the one that has to overcome Justin Tucker, not playing as good as he should be. So those points you're missing, that puts the pressure on the onus back on the quarterback to overcome the kickers' woes. Sometimes you don't get that be in the past, boy drop back if that shit ain't there, man take off with that. Oh, I'm, I'm seeing it.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Sometimes I do think he tries to prove a point. God forgive me. I do think sometimes Lamar tries to prove that he's a thrower of the football. He's proved it already. He's proved it already. At the end of the day.

Go back to doing what you do then. But who cares? Who, okay, so why is his mom cussing him out? Hey, you heard what she said, right? Boy, when you see the running lanes, what, take off and do what you do. What? What you mean? You dangerous. Just as dangerous as you are, you've already struggled us. You're just as dangerous with your arm as you are with your legs But tonight is a night where we needed your legs not your arm But we had this conversation the AFC Championship game you asked after the game why did Lamar run more So why do we keep having these conversations in these big meaningful games where we keep saying Lamar? Why aren't you running the football more? Why are we continuously having these conversations,

don't you? I don't know. I don't know who put- So what, because what are you trying to prove? Who can't, you proved it. You led the league in touchdown passes. You got 29 touchdown passes. It's gonna be you and Joe Burrow

probably the league in touchdown passes this year. At this point in time, the only thing left for you to prove Lamar is that you can get to and win a football. That's it. That's it. Not only that, but anything necessary. On throwing it, running it, crawling it, wheelchair, I don't care, I don't care.

How you got to get there? That's how we just get there. So we can get these mother off your back. By any means. There will come a time, there will come a time that he will need to like, I'm gonna force Lamar Jackson to throw the football. I'm a firm believer that I would rather,

I know he can kill me with his leg. I just can't let him outside the pocket. I can't let him, I can't let him outside the pocket, Ocho, because he's too dangerous out there and he can throw the ball over my head. So I gotta keep him in the box. Now, I'm gonna try to make sure that I got a spy to entice him like, okay, I got somebody spying

and I wanna trick him into thinking, yeah, go ahead and throw it from the pocket. What you playing into your hands? Because that's really where I want you anyway. But listen, this is the good thing about it. This is the good thing about the evolution of Lamar Jackson. This is about how good he's gotten, even as a pocket passer. Okay, you want to put a spire.

Okay, bet. Okay, boom, you want to have your D and rush up field and keep contained. But I can beat you from the pocket. I proved that I can beat you from the pocket and be a throw of the ball. I done showed you I can drop back, I can be in shotgun, I can beat you from the pocket. I proved that I can beat you from the pocket and be a throw of the ball. I didn't show you. I can drop back.

I could be in shotgun. I can RPO. I can play action fake and read through my progressions from one to three. I can't even come back to one if I got enough time. I can buy myself time. I can go off script. I can do all the, all these different things from the pocket. So now that makes me that much more dangerous and multidimensional from

the quarterback position. I just don't like the fact that it, to me, it seems like sometimes the more wants to prove, especially tonight. I'm going to show you, I can beat you with my own. When we know how close you are with your legs. I'm trying. It's a reason God gave you that gift. Where I need to, again, I know, I know the Margo seated. a reason God gave you that gift. Well, I need you again.

I know, I know the Margo city. I know he's going to see this. Well, I need you like you did when you was at Boynton beach. Huh? Stop playing that. Come on. Oh, matter of fact, oh, wait, wait, wait.

The Ravens lost tonight. Can you please tell me how many carries Derrick Henry had? D Henry had 19. He was over the 16 yard mark. He was over, yeah. Yeah. 32, they had, they had 32 rush attempts for 166 yards, which ain't bad. You can live with that.

Lamar was 23 of 36, 237. He got sacked three times. I thought, I thought the Eagles D line did an unbelievable job of getting out there. Jalen Carter is a monster. This is what I I this is what Jalen Carter was supposed to be a top five pick. I'm not so sure he was had he not had all those off the field transgressions while he was in college. He's a top he's a top three talent. He could rush the pass and he could stop the run. He's relentless. He's starting to see just how good he can be. He's the guy that you start circling.

But I thought their defensive line did an unbelievable job of rushing but containing Lamar. Lamar, look, Lamar, you can't run up the field on him now. He'll jump out the window on you. But I thought Sweat and I thought some of those other guys did an unbelievable job. Boy, they got, hey, that Bron, that Zacron, that middle 53?

Well, he nice, boy. Hey, he nice, boy. The Steelers defeated the Bengals 44 to 38. Shoot out. Not only did the defense, or office, excuse me, the office move the ball at will, but the Steelers defense forced three turnovers, including a fourth quarter scooping score

by Peyton Wilson. Pickens led the Steelers with 74 yards receiving on three catches with a touchdown, but drew 15-yard penalties after two of his catches. After the game, Pickens said there wasn't anything he needed to do differently in those situations. Tomlin said, he just got to grow up. This is an emotional game.

These divisional games are big He got a target on his back because he's George he understands that but he's got to grow up He's just got to grow up in a hurry Yeah, that's your game of the playoff George George. I'm a hit young bull. I got I got Georgie number I'm gonna talk to him. Listen take some of that take some of that fun, you know some of that Energy that you display that is that is that you're being penalized for, and turn that into entertainment. Turn it into entertainment.

It's okay to be the villain. Enjoy being the villain, embrace being the villain, but do it in a way where it's organized chaos within the game of football. Have fun within the game of football without having to get those penalties. I'm telling you, it's gonna pay dividends in the long run. He has to understand that, you know, the gun gesture, you know, in the end zone, you

know, after after. You can't. But you know you can't do that. And I know, chat, fans, I know air guns and bullets don't kill anybody, but the NFL said we don't want that. If your boss tells you, you cannot come to work with khakis. Don't bring your ass to work with khakis. I mean, I don't get it. Ocho, we knew Ocho if we wore our socks a certain height, the NFL said we want you to pull, we want your knees covered. The NFL said, we want you to pull,

we want your knees covered. I expected to get a fine if I meant more than two planes and I didn't pull my socks up. But you can't say, well, what is the socks? And I said, and I used to ask all the time, what does my socks gotta do? They say, Shannon, we want uniformity. They say, Shannon, we let you do yours

and then somebody gonna come out there with footies and then somebody gonna come out here and then everybody gonna start looking like an all tournament team. They say we want to we say we want everybody we want every we want uniform, Shanna. We're the National Football League and we're trying to set example. Okay, but Ocho, they remember they cut that out before you got to the league. The throat slash adjustment. They cut that out. They cut that out. Anything violent or sexual in nature, air humping ain't got nothing to do. Ain't nobody ever got pranked

about air humping. No dry hunching. But they cut it out. Those peak fans, please stop saying, But they cut it out. Those peak fans, please stop saying because you know the rules. George knows the rules. You can't do that. You know what, in the stress, outside of knowing the rules, you got to understand and to remember those rules

when you engage in war. At the time of war, when you playing. He said it. You got to remember that. All he need to do, I'm telling you, I'm going to talk to him. I'm going to talk to him. I'm going to hit him tomorrow. I'm going to say, bro, you need to take that same energy and the stuff you want to

do and turn it into something else and a fun entertainment type of way where it's, it's engaging for us and for those watching where it doesn't cost your team. There's a way to do it. I mastered that. your team. There's a way to do it. I mastered that. You know, there's a way to do it. You know, as far as your players concerned, you're good. Keep on playing ball. But what I don't want, this is what I don't want because the young,

because the young, so Coach Tomlin has to be careful with what he say because you don't want to lose a player like that. Up here, huh? Up here. You don't want to take too much. You don't want to pull the reins back too much hard because you're going to lose what makes George picking George Pickens, but you can't hurt your team like that. Though you can't, you can't. Thank you.

We just saw this on Thursday with Jamison Williams. Yeah. We just saw it Thursday where he threw the ball in the guy's face. Oh yeah. Yeah. Remember on the sideline. We just saw it Thursday where he threw the ball in the guy's face. Yeah, yeah. Remember? On the sideline. Yeah.

We just saw it. Ocho, if the, if even if I'm speeding, if I'm going eight in a school zone, I can't tell a fool. Ain't no kids in school. You can't go eight in a school in a school zone, bro. It's still a school zone whether the kids are in school or not. You can't make that gesture. Even if you have no gun, even if there is no bullet, you can't make a sexual gesture.

You can't make a violent gesture. So please, chat, please, people, stay off the internet talking about ain't no guns, ain't nobody ever been killed by that, because you can't do it. The league says, we're going to penalize you, but it's not the league penalizing you, you're penalizing your team. And it hurts you today, but it happens to you when it matters most. Yeah.

When you leave they expect it. You get an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. And now what was a field goal, they back you up. Because a lot of times, Ocho, that's after the fact. Now they back you up. What happens if it's second down and you get one of those? The down counts. So now instead of being second and five, it's second and 20. Or it's third and five, third and 20. Or it's third and 15.

You see? It's things like that you have to think about in real time Ocho is too late for you and I to have this conversation said Ocho. Yeah, we tried to tell him it's too late It's too late. So just learn From others That have made those mistakes So you don't have to be a footnote got a costly penalty. I don't, Oh Joe, but I try to tell you now, now people will tell you Joe Burrow played great.

Oh Joe might come out here and tell you Joe Burrow played great. His defense, if your defense is bad, Oh Joe, as an offense, what can't you do if your defense is bad? Tell the people at home how many turnovers you had. Turnovers, but before you say that, wait, wait, wait. How many did they, how many points did they lead to to the Steelers? 14 to 21, or 17.

How much, how many? They got a scoop and score and they got a field goal right before that. That's 10. That's 10 points, right? Can I say something real quick? Okay. Just for the chat, for better context, let me get energized real quick.

You know, it's hard for me to defend my bangles. It's hard for me to defend my bangles, but for better context in those turnovers, now one was a tip. Cam Hayward tipped it. Boom. Pick. Scoop and score. Boom.

Running with the ball. TJ Watt. Great play. And I think it was a high Smith. Is a high Smith that beat Orlando Brown off the edge? Came around? Yeah. I don't think it was high. It might've been the other guy, the other guy.

I think it was like, it might've been 51, Wilson. He might've called the sack answer. Listen, but one in that scenario, Orlando Brown, I'm not sure what the Bengals are doing. There's no reason why Orlando Brown should be on the field if he can't walk if he can't if you can't walk that means you can't play left tackle there's no reason to be on the field but if you are on the on the field then that's the onus is on the offensive line or the goddamn often the coordinator hell let's slide protection

that way because he's not fully healthy obviously we saw it. They can't. You're going to sign up for the WFC? Listen to me, we got to leave Mims over there. We got to leave Mims by itself, one on one. Yes, I know, listen to me, huh? Oh, well, DJ Y's about to break the NFL record. Look what happened. Look what happened. That cost us.

That cost. If he's hurt, goddamn, fly to the left, put the runner back up there and goddamn chip. You got to put the tight end over there and chip. You got to do something to help him. If have a player out there that is hurt. And it cost us offensively. I get it. That was a scoop and score. Ocho, but your guy has got to take care of the football, Ocho. You know if your defense, if your defense, you have one of the two or three worst defensive football, you can't turn it over. Listen, there's nothing I can say.

There's nothing I can say about that, but it is his blind side though. That is his blind side. He has no idea that two seconds after the snap, that somebody's barreling down and knocking the ball at his hands. Again, you got, listen, I'm not making no excuses. You got to have two hands on the ball.

Yeah, you do that. Oh, hello. So I can make that case for Daniel Jones. All them sacks, that ain't on Daniel Jones. All those turnovers. Every quarterback that turn the ball over, because what they're doing is that you're making excuses for Joy B because he had three yard passes

and three touchdowns. I made no sense. I would just give you better context of how the fumbles happened. So who cares? Yes, sir. Did he have the ball in his hand? So all those fumbles and interceptions that what you call them, we feel we saw

Patrick Mahone two years ago, how many caroms that he has seven interceptions and like three or four pick sixes that went through the receiver's hands. When you fumble the ball and your defense is bad, all I know is this, Patrick Mahone got to the Super Bowl with the second or third worst defense in the NFL. That is the bargains because what has happened is that we've allowed Joe Burrow, and he's a really good, he's great quarterback, but we've allowed that one-year run to taint us,

because we feel he can do no wrong. Because every year, he's ranked above Lamar. Lamar is more accomplished than Joe Burrow. We rank him ahead of Josh Allen. He throws a beautiful ball, he puts up big numbers. But at what point in time do we hold them accountable like we have all the other great quarterbacks that haven't fulfilled the promise of what we expect them to be? Because we make excuses, we like, well, his blind side. Man, get my home's offensive line.

Is my home's offensive line any worse than Cincinnati's? Two tackles bad. One team down level to one record And so and that's the thing when you just if you if you just look at the stats you're like this man threw for 309 and three touchdowns But he had a he had a scooping score that the ball was in his hand that gave him that gave him seven points And then he had another former that gave him 10 points. So now if I take those 10 points off the board,

how many points did they, they scored 44. If I take those 10, Cincinnati scored 38. They win the game, 38, 34. Yeah. Ta-da! You right, listen, listen, I'm already hurting right now as it is, you know? I don't need you to continue to pour salt in my wounds.

I know, I know because I've been on my soap box. We talked about this old joke. And I've been continued to let down. I've been continued to let down for a week out. Huh? Well, get your ass off it. Get your ass off that box. I'm off of it right now. I'm off of it. Because you know, you know the higher you up you are the easier you're easier target you to hit.

With sniper shooting it, what are they trying to do? See when snipers are shooting they're at a higher elevation. But when you show your head that's where they can put that bang on you. You better get low to the ground get off the box say hey, man. I thought my baby's gonna be better than this. It's over for y'all. You know, it's all about. Matter of fact, and listen, I was listening to Joe. Joe said we could win seven of the last nine. There's a possibility. So when he said that in front of the, I was hype. How? I was hype. I was ready. I've been talking cash. You know what? I've been making bets with Ryan

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and if you give them points on your possession, oh, don't cry. No, no, don't cry. Uh-uh, no, don't cry. You ain't crying yet, Chad. Don't let it fool you. You should be crying. We gon', sorry, we gon', we gon' should be crying. We go. Sorry.

We go. We gonna be all right. We gonna be all right. No, y'all late. Next year. Y'all gonna be all right this year. Hey, man, you don't got the people you have people assistant that and believe in you man.

Old Joe say we gonna be all right. Now everybody now everybody ain't doing nothing but eating chilling hot dogs. Stand up, stand up in your chair. Come closer, you blurry, you blurry. No, no, no, no, you get, bring your hands back into focus. Y'all got Ocho crying, bingo, bingo.

What y'all, bingo nation, bingo country, what y'all? We'll be back, we'll be back next year. That's what Custer said. When they seen his ass out there, he said, I'll be back. And they ain't seen his ass, he went up to a big horn and they ain't seen his ass since. That was in 1875, 78. What was that, when the little,

when the city bull get on Custer? I think that was somewhere between 75 and 78. I don't care, I don't care what nobody say. When the uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, wanted to go. Night, sometimes they like you. Hold on. You can talk your ass off. I ain't finna let it. We didn't come here for that. Hold on, I'm trying to laugh or keep from crying. Let's change the topic, man. Shoot, man. No, we ain't finna change no topic. That ain't what we do.

We don't dunk no chat. Do y'all expect Nightcap to dunk a topic? Do y'all expect us to move on so quickly? No. Lester, we got to address it. Your defense is historically bad. They've been bad. But if you go back and look at it,

the Bengals had Kansas City dead to right. What happened? Drip sack, scoop, and score. Touchdown. They had the Ravens again, dead to right at home. What happened, Ocho? Joey B picked Marlon Humphrey. At some point in time, even your great numbers

can be overshadowed if you are the one that puts the ball in harm's way. He's done it, we've seen it. But nobody, everybody just wants to look at the stats. Oh, he played great. What about those three turnovers that gave the other team the football or gave the other team points?

Do we not count that? We counted for everybody else. We ripped quarterbacks that turned the ball over. At the end of the day, it is his responsibility to take care of the football. It's greater pleasure than the year. All this is saying to me is, is Joe Burrow is going to basically have to do, he has to, he has to put on the Superman cape because our defense is playing so bad, right? He has to do what Josh Allen is doing. If Josh Allen can do it, and he can overcome himself

and not make the mistakes he made in the past and has his team playing the way he has them playing, Joe Burrow has to do the same thing. And he has to do it with a much better supporting cast offensively. That's, it sounds easy, it sounds easy, but it's not easy to do. Josh Allen makes it look easy, but it's not easy to do. Josh Allen makes it look easy, but it's not easy to do.

But I understand where you're coming from. I remember when Peyton Manning had those bad defenses in Indy. And even he was putting up those numbers. Oh, Peyton Manning can't get the gun in the big game. Peyton Manning, yada, yada, yada. Even though his defense was historically bad. Y'all didn't make the excuses for Peyton that you make for Joe Burrow. And I just need to know why.

I got time. I took a nap today too. I took a nap today after we lost. You were good. Well, I need you to tell me why. Why is Joe Burrow getting a pass? We never gave Peyton a pass. I, I didn't tell I need you to tell me why why is your girl getting the pay? I said he didn't play well. I said it didn't play well now when you said about the three turnovers I just wanted to add a little context on the turnover just say they weren't all his fault

But on the stat sheet guess who guess whose name is about in turnovers Yeah Cho when is the strip? Hold on. When have we not given a strip sack to the quarterback? Because the ball didn't even. I just said on the stat sheet who are the turnovers on? Whose name is there? The quarterback.

I know, I'm just saying, I was just trying to give a little context on what happened or whatnot, but he didn't play as well as he needs to play. Joe Burrow needs to understand, and I'm sure he understands, play he didn't play as well as he needs to play. Joe Burrow needs to understand and I'm sure he understands and he will have this conversation with his head coach with his officer coordinator and with his quarterback coach you have to protect the ball. You have to in order for us to even have a chance to win going on from this season and later on in the future you have to be the best at protecting the ball and not turning it over because if our defense is not playing as well or playing the way they played this year at any point there is no way for us to overcome those no mistakes

all up and we're not finna move on cuz I'm not finna let you do this to Russ. And Russ, you trust. You say you love Russ. Well, let's give Russ some flowers. 29 and 30. I was the only one standing on the soap box for Russ too, man. Don't do that. Yeah. You were.

Russ, 29 and 38, 414, which is a career high, three touchdowns, one pick. He was sensational today. His career high. He knew like, look, as good as our defense is, their offense is going to score. It is incumbent upon me as the quarterback and one of the leaders of this, where he is the de facto leader on offense. Oh, we can have our way with these guys, boys. And think about it, Ocho, you did get some of them. You got that big third.

That was nice, that was good, listen. Boom, pointed attack, nice little jam. Boom, eyes on the ball. Oh, we going the other way, Oski, Oski, let's go. Yeah, that was right, I thought, listen, after that play, I thought we was gonna other way. I ski. I ski. Let's go. Yeah that right. I thought listen after that yeah I thought we was gonna run away with the game. That was a yeah and I remember do y'all remember when Peyton Manning was losing to Tom Brady? Oh he had never beat Tom. Peyton was winning MVP but Tom was winning

Super Bowls. He wasn't putting up numbers like Peyton but but he was winning. Oh, Tom Peyton will never win. I remember he got beat 41-0 by Chad Pennington. He got beat by Billy Bowling. Oh, they were just ripping Peyton. Ripping him. His defense weren't very good. He's putting up, even his owner, when Peyton talk about,

I don't want championships. I don't want no Star Wars numbers. Because he feels that Peyton underperform. And now, and Peyton, go back and look at Peyton numbers. Yeah. That man won four MVPs and all of them wasn't in those Super Bowl seasons. Fans, media alike, killed him.

Me too, I was one of them. Yep, me too, yep. Right. I can look at when I was on CBS. Beat him up, everybody did. But now, well, Shannon, his defense, y'all didn't say that when Payton had a bad defense. Y'all just said he couldn't stand up to Tom Brady.

He lost to Super Bowl, gonna get Payton numbers in the Super Bowl. But he had that one big six, Tracy Porter, red and right, they came with a zero blitz, he undercut the under route and he peaced them out. Y'all gotta stop this. Y'all got very, very short memories. But what I'm seeing, Old Joe,

what I'm seeing, if we like somebody, we'll make every excuse in the world for him. I don't give a damn what he does or what he or she does if we like you. But I'm gonna call it straight down the middle. Y'all know how I am. Now y'all get on me and say, Shadow, yes I do. Y'all know I do. Go back and check my track record at CBS if y'all don't think I call it down the middle. Me too. Yeah, check my track record. Me too. Me too. Me too. Yeah, check my track record.

Yeah. Russ, put, Russ, Russ, hey, see, but here's the thing. Hey, guys, when people, y'all keep saying, get that man his flowers. Don't give me my flowers. I'll plant my own damn garden. I'll grow my own damn flower. Hold on. And I'll pick my own. I'm tired of y'all. Y'all don't want to get people. Russ, plant my own damn garden. I'll grow my own damn flower. Hold on, hold on. And I'll pick my own. I'm tired of y'all.

Hold on. Y'all don't want to get people, Russ, plant your own damn flowers, grow your own garden. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And pluck your own flowers and put them on display. I don't need nobody. Don't give me no more flowers. I don't want them. I got my own garden.

I'm on the road, but I got a notepad. Hey, I don't need y'all to give me my flowers because I'm finna, what you say, plant my own garden. I'm on the road, but I got a notepad. Hey, I don't need y'all to give me my flowers. Cause I'm finna, what'd you say, plant my own? I'm gonna plant my own garden. I'm gonna plant my own damn flowers. I'm gonna plant my own garden, yeah. Yes, whatever you want, what you want, you want roses? You want daisies?

You want millets? You want platoons? You know what I want? I want tulips. I want tulips. Cause I thought, hey, yeah, I saw a movie, and Lena Horne, she liked tulips. So I'm going to give me some other tulips. Russ, listen, Russ is in the ideal situation.

He's with a coach that understands quarterbacks. Not that he can coach them, but he understands the psyche of a quarterback. And the one thing you can't do with a quarterback is beat him up mentally. And I think Sean Payton beat him up mentally. For whatever reason, Sean never embraced Russ. He never gave, he tolerated him. He's like

I got a year with him and I'm not so sure that Russ could have done anything other than go into the Super Bowl that would have ingratiated himself with Sean Payton. Sean Payton has a guy now and he you know hey he has a young guy and young guys for the most part, Ocho, they're happy to be there even though they're first-round pick and they can stomach a little more. Russ is a vet. Russ has been to Super Bowls. Russ is a multiple-time Pro Bowl player. He's like, why are you talking to me like that? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. He's been... I'll finish. No, no, no. Obviously, you know, because you got on me about it is I've been giving Russ

his flowers for a very long time, even when he was in Denver, you know, you, you, you, you was into him because then one of the way they should be going. I always stood on that soapbox for Russell was because I understood there's no way, there's no way that a player like Russ that was with the Seattle Seahawks that has played well at a high level for so many years and all of a sudden could go to Denver and things just weren't right. I think the situation and the scenario that he was in and the pressure that Sean Payton who kept challenging him berating him as a head coach, I just knew that wasn't the right fit. And I understood once he got over there with the Steelers, I said it, as soon as he got there,

I said, man, this is perfect. He's going with the right coach, the right type of coach, winning coach with the right mentality that knows how to deal with him. And Arthur Smith has put Russell Wilson in some great positions and understanding his strengths and his weaknesses, knowing what he can do and what he can't do anymore than he used to do in Seattle. And he's been paying dividends off for him, man. And he's been perfect. He's been perfect.

Yeah, he's been, look, he's been good. I don't know if he would have ever been what he is right now in Denver with Sean Payton. Look, that first year, we gotta chalk that up because ain't nobody being good over Nathaniel Hackett. Ain't nobody, he got fired in Denver and he lost his play calling duties in Green Bay. I mean, excuse me, in the jazz.

So nobody, so we can't say, you know what, Russ, we gonna just, that first year, now whatever happened with you, like I said, I don't know, but it just seems like he was never egregiated. Sean didn't put his arms around him. It's like, I'm happy to have you as my quarterback for whatever reasons. And it was best that they go accept, you know,

you go your way, I go mine. And we're both better for it. The Broncos are doing quite well. The Pittsburgh Steelers are leading their division. They're doing extremely well. And I'm happy for both because this, this match wasn't going to work in Denver. Not, not Russ and Sean Payne. Maybe it's with somebody else, but not that. But Russ, Russ needed to go. Yeah.

And get Bill back. He had to start. He had to start. He had to start from scratch. He had to start from scratch. And what better place to go than with Mike Tomlin, who's own firm, he has a firm foundation. He ain't going nowhere. He ain't going nowhere. And so, Roger's a long shot. They're talking about potentially, I said something, what

did that article, but they're potentially like, they don't know if he's going to start moving forward. They're going to bench who? In favor of who? Aaron Rodgers. It don't matter, because I'm getting the same results. Listen, you think about benching Aaron Rodgers over there in New York right now, he will flip every table.

He gonna take a bite out. That's okay, he gonna be gone next year. We'll straighten it back up. He gonna be gone anyway. They wouldn't do that. And he not gonna go out quietly. I don't see Aaron Rodgers as the type of quarterback that gonna take benching him well.

I don't see him taking a well. What are you gonna do? Go on P-Mac show and have some conspiracy theories? Act like that's liberals? Act a fool and make a hell while he's there. Act a fool and make a hell while he's there. That's okay. He just seemed like the type that would do that. That's okay.

Yeah. He didn't play well, but I'm sure, you know, I'm sure they'll say he played well. He was 21 of 39, 185, two touchdowns, one of the receptions, Ocho and Seattle gave, tried to get a game away in the first quarter. I've never seen return a fumble that many times. And I've never seen anything like that, Ocho. So the very next play began 19th. So from that point on, Seattle outscored them 19 to nothing. Rogers has a long shot of return. They asked Ulbricht after the game about was he contemplating a quarterback change. Instead of shutting down speculation with a direct no, he replied, not as of today.

I don't like answers like that. I don't like what Harbour said when they talked about and asked him, and Justin Tucker returning. I won't address that right now. What do you mean right now? We talk about the greatest kicker of all time. But anyway, now back to the topic at hand. Listen, Aaron Rodgers, I mean, man,

I mean, it's bad. He looks bad. Ocho, the man about to be 41. He's coming off an Achilles injury, which is one of the toughest injuries for an athlete to overcome a Young athlete imagine one that's 40 What did you expect him to look like? But see if you're honest Oh Joe anybody that's honest about Aaron Rodgers

You labeled a hater and they try to make it about all the other things. Go back and, I don't need y'all to do me a favor. Go back and check my track record about Aaron, about when I was on CBS. I've never denied his ability to throw the football. I always catched question. I saw some character issues that concerned me. And I'ma leave it at that. Now, with that being said, he didn't play well.

Aaron Rodgers has not played well this year. Yeah. And I'ma leave it at that. Now, with that being said, he didn't play well. Aaron Rodgers has not played well this year. And it's okay to say that. Ocho, he's still a four time league MVP. He's still a four time first team All-Pro. He's still a Super Bowl MVP. He's still a transcendent, historically great quarterback, one of the greatest quarter.

But this year, he hasn't played well. And all of those accolades that we've been, but don't be plenty of, and rightfully so, ain't got nothing to do it right now. You're right about that. You know, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I'm not sure. Uh, I'm sure we've seen quarterback decline.

I don't think we've seen quarterback decline in such a manner at, you know, this fast. I think maybe because of the injury, due to the injury, I think it kind of sped up and expedited the process. I was hoping things would work out. I was hoping things would work out because I was one of the few that said, oh shoot, the Bonta Ambers coming to the Jets, oh, they're going to be, they're going to be hell. Now, you know, Alan Lazard and him having the pieces and having Breece Hall, I thought they were going to be all world and having the defense that they did have. Ah, things aren't, things aren't the same at hell.

Aaron Rodgers playing bad, the goddamn defense ain't too much to talk about either. But they were hoping that Aaron Rodgers could elevate this office. Like Josh Allen is doing on the bills? that Aaron Rodgers could elevate this office. Because they think, yes, what Peyton, you remember, now hold on, people remember that before Peyton, the year before Tom Brady got to the books, James threw for 5,200 yards, 5,100 yards and 30 touchdowns. was through for 5200 yards 5100 yards and 30 touchdowns. Bruce Allen just felt that if we minimize the turnovers we could be able to play our team.

The year that Payton got to the Broncos they won the division but they were 8-8. Payton comes in they go 13-3 they get the number one seed now they get knocked out in the divisional round but you see the improvement the next year Peyton wins MVP he breaks all the records they go to the subo they get demolished but they did go you see Tampa every year Brady was there they make the playoffs so they were expecting they say look that guy coming in, he should be able to elevate our offense. We got Garrett Wilson, we got some players, we got nice running back with Allen and Breeze Hall, we got solid tight ends, not great, but they're good, they're adequate, and a defense. But I said one thing, and I kept

reiterating, I say you're under the you're under the the notion that the defense stays exactly the same and there's no slippage because if there's slippage, then what? Oh, you hate you just say, yeah, well, listen, there's been slippage and there's no flex all there's no flex all the stop the leak. The Volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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