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Episode Date: November 30, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to a huge day in College Football! The Alabama Crimson Tide go on the road to take on the Auburn Tigers in the Iron Bowl, Ohio State goes on the road to beat Michigan to go to the Big 10 championship, and Alabama wide receiver Isaiah Horton joins the show to talk about the huge win in the iron bowl and much more! 05:30 - Bama beats Auburn28:05 - Ohio State beats Michigan43:10 - Isaiah Horton joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. y'all know my partner and co-host liberty city's own the guy that doesn't pay off his bet bingo ring of fame honorary a former pro bowler and an all pro that is chad ochosinko johnson ohcho i told you this game throughout the record that doesn't even matter it doesn't even matter because alban was really trying to spoil because they knew if they beat alabama tonight Alabama is not going to the cc title game and they're not going to the college football playoffs and nothing loves company more than misery misery

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Isail Horton, the outstanding Alabama wide receiver will be joining us shortly. But our first, Ocho, Alabama, headed to the SEC championship game to face University of Georgia, the Bulldogs, which they beat earlier this year by score. 2720 over Auburn, the Iron Bowl lived up to its height. We know the last three iron bows that were played in Auburn, the last six, is split right down the middle, three, three. We knew it's going to be a tough ball game. Todd Simpson, he missed the throw in the first quarter.

had a guy had a walk in touchdown he overshot it he hasn't been the same the last four games but there are a lot of mistakes made tonight alabama is very very fortunate very fortunate to win this game arbin did themselves shot themselves in the foot so many times oh how many drops did they have a lot six seven yeah something like that and you know you know i wasn't familiar with i i wasn't familiar with iron bowl i'm i'm i'm be honest with you know i watched college football but i didn't understand how serious this rivalry was i tweeted when it was 17 3 I say it's safe to say this game is over and everybody on Twitter had to let me know

Listen, you must not be familiar with the Iron Bowl It's never over It's never over And I'm watching the game on my phone, right? And I'm like, I look up I go back to my phone It's 1713 And the thing is, Ocho

Because like Ohio State, Michigan They're not in the same state so it's a big rival it rivals it might even because they call it the game yes so we understand what it is but Alabama Auburn the Iron Bowl tough gritty and it's right down the middle so you got to pick aside Ocho right you either when your kid is born they either got on Auburn gear or they got on Alabama deal it ain't no hey it's right down the middle right and you got Auburn it ain't no way you know if Auburn if Auburn wins I'll be okay with that if I'm an fan. You saw what the Alabama fan

did to the Auburn tree. Yes. He poised in the tree in, what is it, Tumor's Corner. He said when they put, when they put that Cam Newton jersey on Bear Bride, I just lost it. I lost it. And so, we understand what this rivalry mean,

but Alabama had to scratch and claw. They got very, very fortunate to win this ball game. Isle Gorton came up big. He had a touchdown. Yeah. And the guy did not give up on the play and he got it out late. Got it out of there. Yeah. But on this, on the, what was it, fourth down? He's like, you know what?

I'm not going to be denied on this one. Ty Simpson was 19 to 35, 125, 122, 3 touchdown, zero interceptions. They ran the ball 38 time for 158. I just don't understand them but simple mistakes that they're making, Ocho. Yeah. The thing I like, at least I like to do, Ocho, when I had a responsibility, I would always ask Coob, I would ask, I normally I would ask, I normally ask, I would ask, I'm normally, I would ask, but sometimes I ask my position coach, why are we doing this? Why are you putting me in this formation? Why are you put me like this?

They put Bam, they put Bam Miller. They brought him in an offset, but they put him close to the line because they're anticipating blitz, which means we don't want you, we don't want the guy to get a head start and sit you in the quarterback's lap. We're going to put you close to the line. Yeah. Ocho, how about the hole open up and he don't block a soul? Oh, yeah. I'm looking at the left guard. They got fan protection, which means the tackle's going to kick out.

You kick out. You block a man. He's blocking a gap. The guy comes up, get pressure on Simpson. I'm like, are you kidding me? Yeah. It's simple stuff like that. I know that I, you can't convince me.

The offensive line didn't tell the guy, guy, is head up, outside eye, most dangerous man. You got a guy outside eye. That's your man. Yeah. You know what? Do you think obviously maybe the pressures of a game, this magnitude? You think some of the might be rattled a little bit? Yes.

Because of the game they're playing. Yes. That's what I can think of because I know they've. going over it all week. I know you've done it all week in practice. I know your officer line coach and told you what to do. Here, in certain situations,

we're expecting blitz. So you don't, so you don't have to, you know, we're going to put you up close. We're going to offset you so you can meet him halfway. Yes. You can meet him halfway. Make it easy for you. How about they blitz and you don't block him?

So let me ask you a question, don't show. They blitz, you don't block. What's you go tell the coach on the sideline? Probably I ain't see him He ran away by you My point my point exactly That's the only reason

You can't see him If it was a snake He'd have bit you And on his way to bite Simpson So I'm just trying to confuse Your center You got a he got a big old His ankle right ankle is heavily tape

Ocho An offensive lineman that can't move Laterally He didn't you're done because how you push off how you slide to your left how you kick and slide to your right how you drive somebody yeah you can't boy i was like man mm-hmm i said oh my goodness but they dodged the bullet they they really dodged the bullet i mean oh cho two years ago no was it yeah it was last year yes sir yes sir and 31 when they what they was fourth and thirty one when they was fourth and

31 and Jalen Milro threw the ball in the corner of the end zone for a touchdown. Two years, three years ago, Bryce Young, they had to come back. They was down. He threw a deep ball. And then win it in double overtime, triple overtime, I think. But these are these games and this is what makes a rivalry. So what makes it special? Right.

Because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the records. They're going to play hard. Mm-hmm. They don't play hard. And, I mean, some talents come out of this game. I mean, Alabama is, you know what Alabama is. Now, Auburn has had some really good players.

They don't have won as many national championships as, as, Alabama. Alabama. Nobody has. They got, they're a 12-time national champion. Well, actually, a 13-time national champion. Yeah. Coach Bryant won six, Coach Sabin won six, and Gene Staling won one. So they're 13-time national champion.

Nobody can boast that. And you know if Alabama, too, going into this playoff, obviously going in to play Georgia now that they've won this game, they can't play sloppy like this. Nah, not. They can't have these kind of miscues. They can't have these kind of misassignments because you're going to get beat. You absolutely will. You absolutely will. The game was why, and I told us, oh, Chow, look, you throw records I didn't win.

I said, I'm not going to be surprised. I'm not surprised the game came down to the very end. And I'm not surprised how close it was and how tight because I don't know why Auburns was tight. You ain't got nothing to lose. You're not going to the boat. I mean, maybe six and six, well, six and six gets you to a bowl. Yeah. Okay.

But Alabama, I get why Alabama's tight. SEC title game, college football playoff. There's a lot at stake. Yeah. A lot of stake. And listen, some of the players played like it too. They did. Some of them played like it.

Can I ask you a question? And maybe you know, maybe someone in the chat. I'm sure there are a lot of Alabama fans in the chat. What's the deal? Why my brother, brother, why Ryan Williams not playing? You know, Ocho. My thing is, if he's healthy enough for you to put him out there in certain situations, he hurt healthy enough to play.

He's not the same. And I told people that. He started dropping passes kind of tapering last year. And we saw that. And this year, he picked right up. He's dropping. He's lost his confidence. I'm not saying that he's not hurt or he's not possibly dealing with something off the field.

But I do believe it's an impact that it's confident. And he doesn't run to say, oh, so they don't even look his way. He didn't get a target tonight. Yeah. And then, hey, listen, I put my foot in my mouth. I put my foot in my mouth. My tweet is there. I should erase it because somebody, when you know what, they can't make fun of me because they won the game.

Before the game started, I said, I got Ryan Williams having a outer body performance tonight to ensure this win for Alabama. Man, Unk, not one target. No. Not. So I'm thinking the game of this magnitude, you know, the season didn't go well. You know, he didn't do what we're used to seeing him do as far as his freshman year is concerned. It's been a rough year this year for you.

Maybe this game, they're going to use them and put them in position to make some of the plays. and, you know, make things a little easy for you offensively. Nothing. No. Nothing. And we see this. I mean,

also he's a sophomore. He's only 18. Oh, yeah, yeah. This supposed to be his freshman year. Yeah. Really? Remember now he was a car. There's a great chance that he's going to go to the NFL

and he'll be 19 years of age. Mm-hmm. He's 18. He'll be 19 getting you. drafted. Oh, that's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, he left early.

He didn't enroll his written ball. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I think Kobe, I think he's from Louisville. He's the only, he's the youngest guy to ever get drafted.

I think he got drafted in 19. Number 10 picked to the Houston, Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't really work out well for him, but, yeah. I mean, he had to go. great college career and who knows if he comes back and puts up numbers his junior year

like he did his freshman year he'll be a first-round draft year because the talent is there it absolutely is the talent is there he just has to he just has to you know confidence is everything I don't care what anybody tell you you got to believe that you are bad mofo it's huge it's huge it's everything ohcho yeah I've seen a lot of guys that have talent but don't believe that they belong or don't believe they're as talented as they are. You're in your own way. Own way. You're in your own way.

You couldn't tell me. I didn't belong. Man, listen, me and you both. And the funny thing about that confidence, Unk, when I go into games, I envision already doing it. I envision doing it before I even actually go out there and do it. I mean, not a no cocky, no arrogant shit. I mean, that's the way. Well, I was cocky and arrogant, all that.

that's the way I focus. Hey, that's the way I get in the zone. I envision doing it and go out there and try to replay exactly what I see in my head. Yeah, you can't tell me who invited you? This invitation said I was invited. The moment they sent me a plane ticket and told me to bring my ass to Denver,

clearly I had something that you like. I could do something that you thought I might be able to help your football team. And that's how you have to approach it. And make sure you know you're, assignment be where you're supposed to be be on time i'm not going to cut myself i'm going to make it hard on you you're going to have to make a decision yes damn he he got something we we might need to hey you got to hold on we got to hold on to him but we just got to keep him here and just let him get

to office let him learn what he's supposed to do right and how you're supposed to do it because there's too much talent there i got that big that fans that strong he's not afraid to go block anybody yeah let's find let's find a place Maybe he can play special team. You damn right, I can play special teams. If I couldn't, I was going to learn. Hell, how hard it would be able to tackle somebody, Ocho? Yeah, it ain't that hard.

It comes down to want to. You got to want to do it. That's it. You want to play in the NFL or you want to go back to Glenville. You want to play in the NFL or you want to go back to Glenville? I think I choose A for $10,000, Alex. That's what I wanted to do. Yeah.

But, look, Alabama, you're going to have to play because this game is going to be at the Mercedes Benzdon. This game is an hour, 70 minutes away from the University of Georgia campus. That's in Athens, Georgia. Yeah. So they're going to take 316 and come west. That's going to be a good game. You going? No.

Hell, I didn't play at either team. Okay, okay. What I look like standing on. What I look like standing on the top. Yeah. Great hope. Hopefully, the game is well played. Yeah.

Hey, Georgia going to the college football playoffs, win, lose, a draw. Right. I don't know if that can say and be sad for Alabama because we're three losses. Hold on. Because people are going to say, well, look at Texas. Texas beat three top ten teams.

Right. You lost the Oklahoma's going. Ole Miss is going to be in there. Georgia's going to be in there. Wait, so even after the night, after this scare, there's a chance if they lose again, Georgia. Oh, they're out of there? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I believe so, yes. Man, listen. If they play anything, if they play anything like they did the night with all those miscues, all those mistakes, all they got to clean that up, quick. Or they didn't turn the ball over, Ocho, they're just making mistakes that you can't make. All Alabama did, all Auburn did with pressure with zone defense. They just play zone, make you throwing the tight coverages. They got a great play call, proctor oversteps.

Here's the thing. now I play like that, you got to toss. If the guy goes inside, if he catches that guy by going inside and coming and catching the running back, we need to get another running back. The only way he can blow the play up is if you let him cross your face. If he stepped down hard and comes back over your face, because now he's right in the lane. I'm like, you just have to look. You might get beat, you might beat me, but you're going to beat me where I want you to beat me.

Right. It's a toss. Beat me inside. Thank you. I appreciate you. You just say, hey, I just can't let you jab inside and get over the top of because now you're right there in the passing lane. Now you're like there in the running lane.

Mm-hmm. You know that. Yes. Yes, Alabama beat, Alabama beat Georgia in Georgia, yes. But here's the thing. The thing is that the committee is going to look at three losses and Alabama just lost. Mm-hmm. Texas beat the number three team.

Right. Texas also beat three top ten teams. They beat Oklahoma. So it's going to be a, look, I believe Georgia goes if they lose. I believe Ole Miss is in. Right. You see, we think we're thinking with logic, though. You're thinking with logic based on the teams they played,

plus, you know, plus the teams they played and the teams they won. Well, what if the committee doesn't think like that? What if the committee is not using the same logic we're using as who's supposed to go? Give me the top, right, today. Yeah. Here's the thing. Ohio State, Indiana, Texas, A&M, Georgia. I believe Texas Tech goals.

I believe Oregon goes. I believe Ole Miss goes. Oklahoma's goals. That's 18s right there. Right. name is going, that's nine. Indiana. Now, if BYU beat Texas Tech, BYU's

going. Miami's going to say, we got a compelling argument. We're 12 and 2. Hold on. BYU only had one loss, right? BYU got one loss, yeah. Yeah. So they'll be 11 and 1 if they were to win. It's going to be, we thought it would be easy. When it was four teams, now we got 12 teams, and now 13 and 14 are going to be very disappointed

if they don't get that bid. Yeah, BYU, oh, because that was before today, right? From last week, yeah. But nobody in the top, but nobody in the top, in the top 10 lost. Everybody won today. So Ohio State won, Indiana one. Okay.

A&M loss. The question is, how far does A&M fall? I don't see them falling out of the top 10. So that was- You can't put Notre Dame in front of them. They went to Notre Dame and bust their head. And plus, they only lost one game. Notre Dame has lost two games,

and one of those losses, I hung on you. So you can't leapfrog me. But you know the committee taking Notre Dame. Absolutely. I don't give damn what they say. But it doesn't matter We're to lose Ohio State, Indiana is going

Georgia is going Oregon is going I believe Ole Miss is going Oklahoma is going Notre Dame They're taking Notre Dame Yeah Miami say what about us

They're 10 and 2 because they just beat Pitt Mm-hmm But I mean One two One one, two, three, four. I mean, theoretically, the SEC could get five teams in.

Because Vanderbilt said, Texas is talking about, you know, there are a lot of teams that go and have a compelling argument, Ocho. But I don't think it's fair. If I make it to my conference championship, and I lose, and I got the same. losses or somebody that didn't play in a conference championship and you put them in and

kicked me out that's a bulljive that's some bulljive oh hey listen i know it's bulljab you know what i think it comes down to what one not only the school the name and how much do you bring to the economy being in them goddamn playoffs because at the end of the day it's all about money it's all well first of all Alabama and Texas travel that too Alabama Texas can you get too big a name than Alabama in Texas? Yeah. Mm-hmm.

So that comes in the play right there. Of course. I know we be thinking logically about wins and losses, but that committee, they think about something else. How can we generate

the most revenue with the teams that we have in the playoffs? And that's why you take it Notre Dame, because what does Notre Dame do? Travel. Notre Dame travel.

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Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the My Coutura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Who's playing a... Who? I thank Virginia because they beat Vate. It's about 60 degrees in here, man, it's about 60 degrees in here, man. Have they figured it out yet?

Wow. So Miami, theoretically, can get left out. Did me tell me they wouldn't take a, they wouldn't take a, they wouldn't take a representative from the ACC? I think so. Duke, Virginia. Wow.

Duke. Duke. Duke. They play in the ACCC title game. Isn't that automatic? That's a Power 5 conference. So, Duke and in the college football playoff or Virginia, the college football playoff.

That's why they want to do away with the conferences, championships, Ocho. That don't even sound right. I get Texas, yes, I know Texas be Oklahoma, they beat Vanderbilt, and they beat A&M. But all those teams have a better record. So how do I take a three-loss team over a one-loss team? Duke? No, I'm talking about the people in the chat was saying where Texas beat Vanderbilt,

it'd be A&M, and it'd be Oklahoma. Right. But guess what? They lost more games along the way. Texas A&M lost one game. It's to Texas, yes. But y'all lost three games. So you want me to put a three-loss team in over what lost team?

They could. Somebody's going to get their first. feelings hurt. They're going to be upset. The committee's like, committee's going to look like, look, they did beat three top 10 teams. Nobody else can say that in the country.

That they beat three top 10 teams. At the time they beat them, they were top 10. And Texas is a big-ass brand. Texas travels. They're coming. They're coming. Wherever the game at,

they're coming. It's going to be very interesting to see. Well, we won't find out until a week from Sunday, right? Because you got to wait you out after the championship games. So you'll see what the rankings are,

but you won't know definitively what's going on until a week from Sunday. And then you have, that's when the selection show. Is that what the selection show is? December 7th That's a two Sunday

Next Sunday week from Sunday Yeah Somebody All I know is somebody gonna be disappointed That's some boojive The number one Buckeyes

Took down the number 15 Michigan Wolverines And a snow-covered Michigan Stadium To snap a four-game Losing Street to their rival And eliminated the Wolverines From college playoff

considerations. Ohio State completed 12 and 0 regular season and earned a date with number two Indiana and the Big Ten championship game thanks to 233 yards passing and three touchdown from Julian Sayan. Michigan hung tough for as long

as they could, Ocho. Yeah. They just don't have the firepower. They don't have the I mean, you play it with a rookie quarterback. I mean, a freshman quarterback. You're only going to be due so much. Bo Jackson had 22 carries for a buck 17 47 rush attempts 186 yards Quiet day from Jeremiah Smith

Yeah he had three for 40 in a touchdown Tate had five for 82 at a touchdown Didn't need a whole lot just As long as we don't turn the ball over guys We're good They had one turnover They got there early Bryce Underwood

But like I said I think Underwood's going to be fine He is a freshman He's a true freshman goes 8 of 18 for 63 yards that's not nearly enough they had less than 170 yards of total offense on Joe I don't believe you're going to be in Ohio State you probably need 170 on the ground alone yeah just just to be able to compete

to keep them to have a chance because that's the problem they got so many weapons at the wide receiver position they got a top quarterback and they can run the football so the last thing I want to do is I don't want them on the field because yeah we're tough defensively but we just don't have the kids to deal with their kids. Right.

But Michigan, had they won the game, Michigan would have a compelling argument, Ocho. Yeah, they'd have been 10 and 2. This was their third loss, though, right? Yeah, if they'd beat Ohio State. Yeah. They'd have a compelling argument. I do not envy because there are some like Ohio State team

that got no losses and will have one loss. I think they're no-brainers. Yes. They're no-brainers. Doesn't matter what happened in Indiana, Ohio State. Both of those guys are good. Now, the only thing is they might not still, might not get the buy. They may or may not, that may or may not happen, but they're making it.

12 and 0. So now of a sudden you're 12 and 1? Yeah. You go it. I hate that bye week, especially for a team that are playing really well. I think, for some reason, I think it causes you to lose momentum a little bit. Yeah. It could.

but if you got if you kind of banged up you kind of want that okay yeah yeah get some guys healthy because you know uh jeremiah smith and uh i think it was take last week missed miss time right so i want those guys 100 percent you're right right so it's it's a it's a catch-22 situation on show because like if you play well you want to build on that momentum and just keep going yes yeah but here's the thing you, uh, if you don't make your college championship, you ain't, you ain't playing anyway. Because look at teams like that we think going to be in there. Uh, we think Oregon.

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it's going to be interested so now it's kind of like the bracket of the nca tournament who gets who gets who goes out west who's in the south who's in the midwest who's the number one seat who's the number two seed it's going to be oh yeah but uh the buck eyes that had to be that had to feel sweet Because the last four times, they didn't got whooped now. Yeah. Yep. After the game, Michigan players protected the logo at midfield. Y'all, don't even do that.

Y'all don't beat us now. Hey, don't get swole. Don't get swole. Right. It ain't he worth it. Hey, they're serious about that logo, huh? Oh, they did? Yeah, because they're going to fight.

Oh, yeah. But y'all are going to do this on that? Y'all ain't fit to plan nothing. Y'all ain't about this. And listen, I know they had, they had their time. Like, the point where you needed to fight was in that game. You wouldn't have to worry about that logo. Yeah, you defend the logo.

Man, I don't know about you, Ocho, but I'm cold. I've been out here for three hours. And 20 degrees, y'all handle that. Hey, security. Y'all don't let them snap on the logo. Hey. Man, I haven't been to get no more frostbite than I'm already frostbid. Absolutely not.

But I, look, college football is different than NFL. The logos and the rivalries, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah, they mean something. Pittsburgh and Baltimore rival is 20 years old. You're talking about these rivalries 100 years old, Ocho. Right. These rivalries go back. These rivalries go back so far.

They play it for Paul Bunyan's axe, and they play them. They play up all kinds of stuff. So I get it. I get it. And, you know, you get kids. You get, you know, 17, 18, 19, year old kids. and, you know, as just brought to my attention, they planted the flag on our field last year,

so we got to get some retribution. I saw Brutus put, he ex out, their Michigan logo, and put Ohio State. I saw that. But it was, hey, Michigan hung tough. I thought like, okay, Michigan, y'all hanging in there. Y'all give them much more.

Ryan Day spoke to Shmore and more after the game. If we don't want a problem, We got to get them out of here. I'm not going to plant any flags, none of that. First of all, I came for problems. That's why I'm here. I showed up. I want problems.

Right. Now, if you don't want no problems, go ahead and take your team in there. Y'all don't see what we doing. Right. And you won't know. But I'm planting, I'm planting the Buckeye Fag somewhere. corner the end zone

gold post yeah but something I'm erecting something up in here yeah listen are we clear

yeah it ain't no better place to plant that fag than the middle of that field with that logo at

that's not all of a sudden y'all don't want no problems but y'all had had no problem last year when y'all planted the flag

in the horseshoe oh they did oh they did it to them last year yeah okay okay okay okay okay okay okay I got to get back

Yeah, I mean, but she's not with all them players standing out there. Well, I'm going to steal the mascot. I'm going to steal the Wolverine next year. I'm getting something, though, Joe. I won't get back. I won't retribution. Right.

Like I told Goose, I won't restitution. I mean, I wish you, uh, who I'm trying to think who would be our rival as a battle state. Y'all had to have somebody right there close, huh? Everybody was close. We had Fort Valley, Auburnist State. We had Morehouse, Clark, Mo Brown.

Well, God, damn. Yeah. Everybody was within, you know, three, three and a half hours, Ocho. Yeah, I mean. But it wasn't going to be none of it. They weren't planting nothing on Savannah State. As a matter of fact,

I ain't lose that much at Savannah State, not to them bums. But I kicked their ass that they place a lot. Mm-hmm. Am. Showed in. Yeah.

Speaking of HBCU, you see Marshall Falk just got the job. At Southern. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Home Tide. Perfect. Perfect.

Man, I ain't even know Falk wanted to coach. He said he didn't want to coach until, you know, time got him into it. You know, the funny thing about it is you said you don't want to either. I ain't. Until I get you into it. Mm-mm. Same concept. No.

Oh. coach, man, look here. I didn't play for either team, and I'm upset all the Mr. Simons. Can you imagine my team? And I don't go on over this issue. See, you don't understand. I don't. You coaching, you'll be able to get through the players a different

way. You're not just, you're just not a player. You're a coach. You can't teach less? Did I tell you? Hey, you can't, you're going to manhandle the kids when they mess up? Hey, man, please. Hey. The old Bobby Night Day is over.

Remember how Bobby Day? Bobby Night was the head button. Oh, you see the Michigan player. You lead the Michigan player headbuttoned referee? Yeah, that was an accident, wasn't it? No. There was no accident. Hey, that goddamn Bobby Knight boy, he was, he did not care.

And, Ocho, how you, Ocho, how I go sit on, I'm going to go sit on somebody, grab my couch, mom couch. Right. Well, you know, you got to be tough to play for, play for honk. Yeah. No, Ocho, I just ain't got to. to be miltry. And listen, I'm sure, I'm sure Dion said the same thing.

I'm sure. No, time is open. Listen, hold on. I used to ask time all the time when he was coaching his kids. I say, bro, how you got patience time? Bro, you historically, you great, great, beyond grade. Right. How you tolerate mistakes?

And you're like, man, they're kids. I don't, he's like, I don't. He says, I don't look at the kids and say, because that's what coaches mess up well, such and such should have made that play or he could have made that play or I couldn't make that play. No.

You just keep working with them and hopefully they figure it out. I said, oh no. Yeah, you know Eddie George didn't want to coach either. Deshawn Jackson didn't want to coach. Michael Vic ain't want to coach. I'm just, listen, sometimes you don't see what God had for you

because your eyes closed. See? Because what's going to happen, Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, I get the kids in. There you go. He says, he's going to transfer, go home and tell his mom and dad or his grandma, man, uh, Coach Sharp effing over me. Right. I'll call his family in. I'm going to call him and say, look here, here the tape.

Now, that's your son. See, we already got him circle. That's your son right there. That's your grandson right there. Now, he told you I was effing over him. He effing over me. You see that? No.

He then came home and told y'all, man, Coach Sharp effing over me. Now, that's your son with the circle around him. Yeah, and you're going to pull up the film for the family? Yep. And say, see, he effed over me. See, now, see, that's the kind of coaching we need. We need that. It's the kind of coaching we need.

That's the kind of carry on. That's what we need in college football. Uh-uh. Kids can't go home and lie to the parents. You know, they're not giving me an opportunity. Boom, you pull up that film. Let me show you why you're not getting no opportunities. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that. We had my freshman year. So I was like, me and Squirrel, we ended up being the start of the next year. But we kind of rotated. We rotated players, but I did start like, oh, got a very special guest joining us. He caught the game winning touchdown. He caught the first touchdown. He got the second touchdown.

And he caught the third touchdown. He probably should have. had a third touchdown earlier. He seemed like he relaxed and let the D.B. get it out. Here he is the outstanding wide receiver from Alabama, Azeel Horton. Issa, what's going on, bro? What's going on?

What's going on? We're doing great, man. Talk to us about this game. The Ems and flow, you get out to a 17, what, 17-0-lead. They come, they wheel it down. They tie the ball game. Tell us about the motions because you know what's at stake. A birth in the SEC championship game,

potential birth in the college football playoffs. So there's a lot of riding on this game. for you, not nearly as much, but just bragging rights for them. No, yeah, for sure. As a thing, man, we knew what it was coming into the game. We're going to be hard playing in this environment, man, playing at the stadium. But, you know, all we have to do is execute, man. Just do I want to know, do our job, and everything else for all the place.

I know you say being at the game, the magnitude of this game, where you say all you have to do is just execute. How are you nervous before games like this, or you still have the same approach regards to the game you're playing? no, yeah, I'm always cool comment, but like, just because, like, I'm going to overthink of myself. So, you know, if I, if I go out there to, you know,

so I've got energy, I'm always concerned regardless of that, when it's time to, you know, when I'm on the field, mind's up, I'm cool coming. Yeah, okay. But did they do anything different than what you guys have seen on film? Because it seemed like they played a lot of zone. There was not a whole lot of man coverage,

but they were generating a lot of pressure with just a four-man rush and occasionally they'll bring an extra guy, but they seemed like they had everything zoned off. Did you see anything different in the game than what they had shown on tape? No, I really wasn't nothing different. It was like I was just saying, they were sending that person for sure. They knew what they were doing on that far, but it was good. Like, we expected that.

We knew what it was, and, you know, we just kept it simple. Make routine plays, dick plays, and let the big plays call. Now you know what's in front of you. You did what you needed to do. You're going to the SEC championship game. You're going to face a team that you'd already played. You've already beaten. What is your expectation?

What can we expect from this Alabama? Because the last four games, the last month, Isaiah, you guys haven't been at your best. When we saw you against Georgia, we saw you against Vanderbilt. That was some of your best football. We haven't seen that team both offensively, defensively, and special teams. What can we expect Saturday in the Mercedes Benzoned in Atlanta, Georgia? Sure, not. You can expect us to go back to the drawing board,

you know, fix our mistakes, first and foremost. You know, we can expect us to come down and be dominant. We're going to, we go on, we're going to do our part during the week. Like, we know what it is. We know it's a mistake. We've got to really buy in and lock the end. Yeah. Just that's something.

But it's not like we haven't been banished. We really have been there, but we know, so we've got to take it up a notch now. Something different. And you know, the fact that you've already played Georgia before, are there any issues or, is there any, you're worried about defensively from them or the fact that you've already to play them are you confident that that from an individual standpoint for you

you feel you'd be able to get to be able to do what you want yeah from my from yeah yeah yeah I mean since you've already you know when you when you when you played an opponent already you've seen a DB you've seen safety you've seen the defensive schemes that they do run most of the time I don't know how it is you know in college, for younger receivers, but for us, there's somewhat a comfortability when you're familiar with something that you see all the time.

Yeah. No, yeah, exactly. It is, and I respect them to. I don't know what it is at the end of the day, like, like I said. So we're going to go back to the drawboard. Yeah, you don't see next Saturday. Sure. Well, the task is not done, because obviously, you know,

when you go to Alabama, you expect to play for an SEC title, and you expect to play for a national title. You got to came up. up a little short last year, but here you are back in this position again. Now you're going to play a team that you faced before with the opportunity to potentially get in the college football playoffs

because that's the ultimate goal is to be a national champion in the NCAA. So what can we expect? What should we expect from this Alabama team that we haven't seen in the previous month? All right, what do you just expect us to be tough? I ain't going to lie.

I mean, like, you don't just expect us to come out with a little with more start out fast. Yeah. Start out fast. Does it help that you, like Ocho said, that you've already played, see, for me, Isaiah, to be honest with you,

I always felt it was easier to play a team the second time if we had lost the first time. Because now I can get you guys undivided attention. You can say, see, that was a play we could have made and could have flipped the outcome of the game. Sometimes when you beat a team before, you get comfortable and think it's going to be a cake, walk to walk back in there and beat them again

they make adjustments and we don't necessarily make the adjustments that we need to what is your take on playing the team the second time around? You know, we're going to listen to our coaches, go back to the door on board and just see what they got to tell us this week.

You know what? A lot of people are asking us, Isaiah, Ryan Williams he had that sensational freshman season and I don't know if he's been nicked. It seems like he was in and out of the game. I mean, he was about to come in the game and they said, no, come back over and then he'd go back in the game. And it's hard. You know, as a wire receiver, it's all about rhythm.

It's all about timing. It's hard to just run in and out of the ball game, and especially when you're, you're used to playing the entirety of the game. But so is he Nick? I mean, what's kind of going on with him? Because he doesn't look like, he doesn't look like the, uh, the Ryan William that was the freshman All-American that we used to see. Yeah, no, Brian's fine. This is going to all right. He's doing stuff. He's still working hard.

And we're fine. We're doing well. And, you know, we're going, like my gosh, we're going to go back to the job and keep in there ain't nothing else to it. Well, congratulations, Azeel, the big win. Azele Horton, five catches, 35 yards, three touchdown. The game-winning touchdown. as the Alabama Crimson Tide win 2720 over the University of Auburn

and the Iron Bowl as Alabama stamps their trip back to the SEC championship game. Yes, sir. Isaiah, thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it. Good luck. Stay healthy. And next week, hopefully you all get that bid to go to the college football playoffs. All right, appreciate you, bro.

Yes. That was the outstanding wire receiver from the University of of Alabama, Azeel Horton. He had five catches for 35 yards and three touchdowns. None bigger than that final touchdown because it was on fourth down. And, Ocho, because you haven't played the game, you kind of get a sense. Like, man, they ran that bulljohn play on third down. They got to be going forward on fourth.

Why the hell would you run that damn play? Right. So that lets me know because I'm like, okay, that's a throwaway play. You're definitely going for it on fourth down. Because you already, the head coach has already told the O.C. If the O.C is not the head coach, he's already told him. This is two downs. Yeah, absolutely.

You get two downs and get whatever, whatever we need. I mean, whether a first down or a touchdown, but you got to get two down to do whatever you need to get done. And so when looking at some of the plays that, because I was like, I don't know what Alabama's offensive coordinator is calling. And I say, well, since you called that Mujah, Jive, you've got to be going forward on fourth down. Oh, what I was saying.

So Coach Turner had his arm, just like this in, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like this here. And Coach Davis was talking. And the dude just kept, just kept, muttering under his breath. Right. But loud enough so he can hear him, though. Loud enough so he could hear it.

I don't know if Coach Davis could hear it. Right. But Coach Turner, because, you know, I'm on one knee, because you know back there, Ocho, you get on one knee with the coach, you coach talking, you get on one knee, you listen. Right. So I'm on one knee. Coach Turner, like, behind me, the dude right here.

He kept talking. Boy, Coach Turner, I said, Fah! I'm talking about... He hit? Yeah. Wait, hold on, hold on. Time out.

The coach hit the player in the face? Oh, he hit the helmet. No, in the face, he slapped the taste out of his mouth. But they start... And then he jumped and said, man, man, he fat me. Coach said, yeah, I'll do it again. Whoa, but what the hell? But y'all had, like, the longest yard.

type of... What? So what happened after that? They started squabbling? Nah. He didn't want another, he didn't want another Coach Turner. And Coach Turner was old. Then Coach Turner was probably about 55.

Hey, Coach Turner ready to throw them things, huh? He slapped him. Man, we had a dog, the, uh, coach dude was fighting their practice. Yeah. Coach reached down and grabbed him by the back of his pants. Yeah. Pull the jock off. Pull the jaw

Oh, I swear, I swear Reach out just like this here It was trying to pick him up by his pants Yeah And pulled his whole jar Had the jock in his hand Hold on Coach Turner

But like an MMA dude or something Nah Coach Turner, he grew up hard though He grew up when back then Where they really put hands on players In high school coach You grew up in high school bowl Yeah, yeah, yeah

They really, really put hands on you Right Yes And I'm crazy. Absolutely. I can imagine. I could honestly say, Coach Turner,

Coach Davis never yelled at me. One time, Coach Davis, he didn't yell at me. He asked me where I was going. Right. And the offensive coordinator

got into it. Rest your soul. Ran out, Ocho? Yeah. Run it again. Now, he was the first your officer coordinator.

Oh, I remember you told me this. You can't keep running it over and over? Yeah. All I'm asking, Ocho, I'm asking, okay, what do you want me to do? Ocho, you know,

I break down and break out. run it again. I speed cut it, break out. So now I really don't know what I'm doing. I say, well, you know what?

Maybe I'm planting off my inside foot. I need to plan on my outside foot when I roll it on choke. Okay, no problem. I made sure I rolled it. Boom. Run it again.

I say, what am I doing wrong, coach? Run the play again. And you got up out of there, huh? Coach Davis, hey, Holmes, where are you going? He, yeah, and all I heard when I was walking through the pants to go back,

he said, I told you, don't F with that one. You leave him to me. I'm in my room, oh, sure. I'm sitting in my room, my feet on my bed. Hey, you're chilling, huh? Bo, bo, bo, bo, boy, boy. Hey, who we talking to like that, huh? That's what I want to know, because I had already, that's what I wanted to know.

Because I had already, but I had, I had already told Coach Davis, I said, coach, you can correct me. I say, you can be hard on me. I said, but, Coach, you can't curse me. I say, because my grandmother never curse me. I'm sitting under, I got my feet on my, I got my feet on the bed, don't you? I don't win that. I don't win to eat lunch.

I mean, dealing everything. I get him knocking a dough. Coach Davis wants to see you in his office. So I go over there. He said, God dang, Holmes. He said, he was wrong, but I need you to apologize to the team. Oh, for leaving, huh? Yeah.

So I next to die out there. Oh, sure, I have my fingers crossed, though. I think I got on them. Hey. Hey, but, hey, hey, this group. Black college football, I'm telling you, anybody that went to Black College football in the 70s and in the 80s, if you went to an HBCU, you know exactly, you know exactly what I'm talking. talking about. There was the days,

or Cho, but it was some fun now. We had fun. Listen, I'm a little after you. You know, the late 90s, late 90s, no, mid-90s, late 90s, it was a beautiful run, boy. It was a beautiful run. And the fights?

Did y'all have fights in Oregon State, don't you? Yes. Yeah, you got to think, Oregon State, we was a bunch of junior college kids. A bunch of junior college kids. I'm talking about, We had some stuff, I mean,

going at it. What? Hey, what's the one? Did you have one, y'all had one against a basketball team? Was it the basketball team? No, then you, uh, uh, uh, the basketball, they, wasn't nobody mess with us. But the guy used to go take, you know, the frats have parties.

They have tags. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah. But we had to find out on a football field, a dude would brag about how he was sleeping with the guy's girl. Oh, whoa, whoa. Whoa, he snitched? He snitched on himself.

Hey, he just kept talking. He just kept bragging. He died on one knee. I'm killing him. I'm killing him. I'm beating up back in. We hit him in the head with the helmet? How many times did he hit him in the head with the helmet?

Oh, he knocked him out. Yeah. Oh, Lord. Oh, that. And talk about something. You're talking about somebody mama? Mama? Oh yeah, yeah.

That's it. You know, you had a football sitting on top of your helmet? Yeah. Your mama, B. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I said, yeah, that's time for me to go here and go. I'm gonna move on over here.

I'm gonna move on over here. Uh-oh, I'm gonna move on over here. Whoa, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. Hey, boy, talk about somebody mama. What? What? I don't know how they did it at a PWI, but there are certain things at a HBCU.

You do not say. They don't play like that. Uh-uh. They don't play like that. Mm-mm. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, he did pull a Miles Garrett. Oh, basically, yep, same thing.

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