Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Sam Darnold LEADS Seahawks to Super Bowl + Patriots win the AFC & are BACK in the SUPER BOWL

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks beating the Los Angeles Rams 31-27 to advance to the Super Bowl, the New England Patriots beat the Denver Broncos in a blizzard to head to the Super Bowl and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 7:54 - Seahawks beat Rams31:30 - Pats beat Broncos (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm going to let you know if we get closer to it, closer to it. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hey, did you ask him if I could perform with him? No, I ain't asking that. Yeah. You know, I do a little. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. You know, we're saving that. We're saving that for a later day and time.

But we're going to let the Russell have some of stage by himself. Okay. The Seattle Seahawks hold on to beat and beat the Rams by the score of 31 to 24. Sam Darner was 25 and 36, 3.46, three touchdowns, no interceptions. They ran the ball 26 time for 75 yards. One touchdown. JSN, 10 catches of buck 53, one touchdown. And Cooper Cup caught another touchdown.

Jake Bobo had a touchdown. Matthew Stappert was just as equally as great. 22 or 35. Yes. 3 74. 3 touchdowns. Pooka Nakua 9.4 bucks 65 in a touchdown. Devante Adams, 4 for 89 on a touchdown.

Kyra Williams, 2 for 22 at a touchdown. But it was costly turn over the punt. They muffed the punt. He got away with it the first time, Mocho. He jumped on it. Yes. This time he could not get away from it. And the CS Seahawks are going back to the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl. 60 would be a rematch of Super Bowl 49 when the New England Patriots take on the Seattle Seahawks. Ocho, this was the Seattle earned their fifth trip to the Super Bowl. They have yet to win. They haven't won one yet. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, Seattle. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They beat the Broncoe. They beat the Broncoe. Beat the Bronx. Yeah, I'm trying to forget that one. They put that ass on us. Ocho, watching this game, man.

They were dealing. Yeah. But I thought Seattle made just the. few more plays defensively, and that was the difference in the ball game. That was the exact difference in the ball game. I was going to come down to defense, obviously both quarterbacks were dealing. Both offenses were very efficient on the ground,

having a lot of balance on the ground to be able to do what they did in the passing game. Matthew Stafford was phenomenal, Unk. He was phenomenal. Kudos to them, even though they didn't win this game. They played offensively, extremely, extremely well. What I saw from Sam Donald is a Saram Donald that I know we needed to see in order for them to be able to win this game. Sam Donald, that they were going to pressure,

they were going to get him off his spot where he had to make plays that were off script that weren't exited nose, things that were away from the goddamn game plan in general. And he was able to do that. Obviously, goddamn, what more can I say about the J.S.N that we saw tonight? What more can I say about the JSA that we've seen all season long? J.S.N. has been Rose Bowl, the Rose Bowl, Jays'N that we saw.

at the Rose Bowl in goddamn college with the JSA we've seen the entirety of the season, including tonight's game. He has one more game where he needs to be that JSA that we saw at the Rose Bowl when he was, when myself was introduced to him and who he was and how special of a talent he was. I never knew he would be what we saw this season, but man, he's one special dude. Outside of that, defensive, the Seahawks, were the Seahawks. they almost almost i'm glad to reek woolen that that costly penalty didn't didn't cost them didn't cost them the game uh outside of that being selfish it was a great game yeah

i mean you all can i can ask you something real quick and i know how you are i know how you are when it comes to discipline hey chat y'all let me know what you think about uh about about the taunting and i think when it comes to the game of football we should still be able to be allowed to express in front of the opposing teams bench No, no, that's what he did. Not that. Not that. Yeah, but this is the NFC championship game.

Do you really want to call something like that? You say you was a team game? Where was this team back celebrating with him? No, no, no, no. It's a team game. You say you'll express yourself. I thought we were celebrating because the NFL said, you know what?

We'll let you celebrate with your team because before they would let you celebrate with your team. Right. So now they say, you know what? It's a team game. Let's celebrate. So where was this teammate that was celebrating with him? No, I know. I'm here.

I heard you saying, but I'm just saying. In that situation, Ocho, so you don't, so you think about it. Not only did he do that, what happened the very next play, Ocho, for the people that didn't see it at home? They went right at him, Monk. They went right at him. That's what made it even worse. And I'm glad that penalty didn't cost them the game because they went right back at him on the very next play to put in the core down the sideline. But I mean, I just, I just hate to see those type of flag come out.

Obviously, obviously, Willing has to be a lot smarter in that situation. You made a great play. You made a great play. And obviously it was fourth and it was going to be fourth and 12 until they threw the flag. And obviously he got a little beside himself. It was unfortunate. But, hey. Because he's in his own hand.

So that's the best chance to take advantage of him. Because he knows what he's done. He's like, oh, my goodness. We were off the field. We were about to get the ball back. We're already up 10. Oh, boy, we're about to get the ball back. Hey.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Feeling good, feeling good. What have I done? Oh, Cho, they let you get away with it. How long, let me ask you question. How long do you want to stand there and celebrate in front of their bench? Because they let you get away with it initially.

The official didn't throw the flag, but you just stood there and just started walking up and down and just looking at him. Yeah, yeah, he kept going. So I just wanted, I mean, if it, like Kea and Pills say, is it one pump, is it one pump? Is it two pumps? Is it three pumps? Five, ten. Yeah. I just want to know how many, how many pumps he want to get.

because the official the fish was standing right there Ocho he let him go he like you know what yeah he let him go yeah he let him feel it good I'm gonna let it go he kept going

yeah yeah yeah hey um it was it was a little excessive it was a little you know hey listen listen talk your trunk talk your shit you almost intercepted

you made a great play on Puka you know say what you need to say and going back I've seen previews that didn't last this long I don't know what he was thinking and then Nick

I mean Worry got it afraid and did he get mad at Nick? Bro, why are you mad? The guy's telling you, bro, we're off the field. And you doing that, we're going to get an opportunity. Now, just think about it, Ocho, you get to celebrate all you want to right now. Just keep celebrating. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

And so I don't have no problem. I know Eman Worry is a rookie, but I love this gentleman can flat out play. He is a effing player. He will thump, he can cover. He doesn't have a weakness in his game. he is as good as he's better than advertised now i don't know hey i don't know what who let him pass get all the way down to the second round considering that what he did at the combine but he is he's he go here to state go ahead oh hold on hold on speaking speaking of him like can you please

explain to me chat maybe you guys can help me in and fill me in maybe it's something that i don't know unc maybe maybe you can fill me in and educate me on how pool of the core fell to the goddamn fifth round. I'm not sure with the scouts. I'm not sure with the I'm not sure with the owners. Oh, Joe, you know the best everything on 40 time, man. And that maybe, uh, and that is the problem. Some of the best receivers that ever played this game, it had nothing to do with it. I know.

The game of football is not played in the straight line. I'm not sure why the emphasis on 40 time is talked about so much. And the funny thing about it is, it chat, stay with me real quick, is the way the NFL is built is you can become, you can change your life. If you can run in a straight line as fast as hell, you can get you a large lump sum and be set and be set for life. Now, eventually you will get exposed because if you don't have the other intangibles that come into play when it comes to playing the game of football. I mean, you come on, man. You preach it to the choir.

You talk about some of the greatest players, a Emmett Smith, a Jerry Rice, or Shannon Sharp, or Tom Brady. It's okay. But they put so much emphasis when you don't play in the street. straight line. It's very few times how many go routes are you going to run the course of a game? Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic

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always say the game is 90% mental and 10% physical. Because if you can win up here, all the other attributes that you come with don't even matter if you know what the fuck you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If you know exactly what you're doing, that's it. I think the thing is, Ocho, coaches like things that they cannot coach. I can't coach speed. You can't teach speed. I can't coach you high.

I can't coach your size. So those things, see, I can teach you technique, Coacho. I can teach you how to back. Yes. I can teach you how to drive a T-step. I can teach you how to rip. I can teach you how to bend. I can teach you to have turn speed into power.

I can't teach you how to run fast. Either you have it or you don't. It's either in you or it. not. And people say, well, he, no, you could all row, you could, a person that's like, well, he went from this to that. That was in him. Someone taught him technique, but he could always run fast because if that was the case, you could teach Tom Brady how to run four, four. If you could teach somebody how to run fast, you could teach Tom Brady how to run four four. You can't, because his makeup won't allow it, no matter how much technique he has. With that being said, Ocho,

yeah, Clint Kubiak within his bag. Now, he's got to get a head coach job. Now, I don't know if it's going to be the Raiders. I don't know if it's going to be. Because it seems like everybody turned the Browns down. They're like, nah, take me off the list. I only want to interview for that job. You got to understand. Nobody wants to go to the Brown simply because they're in quarterback purgatory right now.

They don't know what they're going to do in that direction. Now, all the teams, listen, the Giants, man, listen, everybody was hawking at that job. That's a job that anybody would love to have. You got to have a quarterback. Teams that don't have a consistent quarterback or that foundation is not in play. nobody wants to go there. You just don't because you know your lease is going to be very short

until you answer the question at that position. I agree, Ocho. I totally agree. We'll talk about that in a minute, but the Rams is the one turnover and you play dearly. You look at the Broncos.

We'll talk about that in the minute. It was the turnover. The Broncos. The Broncos. Yeah, we don't talk about that in the minute. What do you think about to play on 30? seven with 320 remaining. Do you think Cooper Cup was short of the first down or you thought he got the first down?

I thought he was short too, Joe. Yeah, yeah, he was short. But they gave him the first. Listen, but you know how they play on. I don't, I don't want to say none. And I'm not saying I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but you know he was short. I mean, a blind man can see that.

I'm not Ray Charles. And I only got one eye. And I can clearly see that he was short of the first down. I'm not sure what they were doing in that sudden situation. but hey he was clear as short as long as i've been watching the game of football that ain't no god damn first now i think the thing is is the ram and the off season they got to go get secondary help the secondary is not good enough oh the rams listen the rams secondary is not good enough okay they're not good enough but they've been good they've been good this season even though

they don't have even they don't have what you may excuse me what you may think they played they played good enough for them to do or get to this point. We'll see when they might they they they're not the Broncos they haven't been the Seahawks but they've been very good because that front that front is phenomenal. They've been good so very very very very few times that the back and been exposed. No but if you go back and look at them to come back it was the secondary. If you look if you look at them. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there off their offense because they score so much they put much pressure on you, you don't really get a chance to, yeah.

So now a team can dictate on their terms. Seattle was able to dictate the entire night on their terms. Yeah, I got. Take JSCN out. Cooper coming. And guys were just, I'm like, well, damn, y'all want to cover somebody? And I agree, look, they got, they got to a Sam Darnel three times. But if they didn't pressure him enough, they let him outside and they let him by time, you got to pressure him.

And my concern was, will Sam Darner revert back? Thus far in the postseason, he's been exemplary. He's been exemplary. Can he be exemplary? One more game. One more game. That's all that come down. And we look at Sam Donald.

The Jets let him go. The Panthers let him go. The 49th, and I get the 49th, because Brock Purdy played extremely well. The Vikings let him go. Now the Seahawks got him, and they're going to the Super Bowl. You know what? You know who could have, you know,

When I sit back and think about it, I was watching the game, and I know there's one receiver. There's one receiver that I was watching the game tonight that I know he's pissed off. I know he's upset. He should have called management, and whoever he needs to call and say, why they ask you let him get up out the door? No, no, not DK.

Oh, I'm talking about 18 down there in Minnesota. Get her. Yeah. This is what you let out the door after what he did because you believe the number eight pick was the answer for the future, and you see what we got now? What are you doing?

What are you thinking about? But anyway, listen, like you did say, one more game, monk, no turnovers, no turnover. And I was thinking tonight, what is McVeigh going to do to the Seattle Seahawks to rattle the quarterback? We're going to pressure him. We're going to get him off his spot. We're going to force him. We're going to speed him up and hope he can make mistakes and turn the ball over and give us one. He didn't do it.

He didn't do it. He didn't do it. I'm not going to sit here. I thought that Sam Darnel would command the 50 plus million dollars on the market. So I was against that. I was like Minnesota, don't keep him for 50 million. But for 33? Oh, Joe, 33?

Wait, hold on. He underpaid. Yes. But see, I thought they were going to have to go to one of those. I thought they were going to have to go a quarter of a meal where they having to play in 50 million, you know, have to give him $130, 40 million. I was like after one year, I don't know about it. that. Hey, I got a question.

Now we're on the topic of money. Did he say he didn't sign a long term? He signed the $300 million. I think he got $30 million. Oh, Joe, they're probably tear that. If not this year, next year, they're tearing that up. He'll never play to the end of that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Well, if he wins the Super Bowl, they definitely go tear it up. Oh, man, man, I'm talking about rip it. And four corners. They're going to sit five. They're going to set fire to that, Ocho. He'll never play another day. Hey, he won the Super Bowl. Oh, it's a rap.

It's a rap. They got to come see him. They ain't got no choice. Because I don't think, I don't think the rank. It's easy to say now, but the play called down there and when they had two cracks at the end zone, I'm sure Sean would like to have some of those calls back. It don't look like now the field goal would have done them any good. Puka was this close to getting out of bounds and having a staffer that were a chance of a hell Mary.

Hey, I'm confused. Huh? He went out of bounds, purpose he with the ball. Why did the clock keep going in that situation? Before he went out. That's what they said. Okay. Okay.

But went down before he went out. But this was an unbelievable game. What is what we thought it would be two division rivals. They're very familiar with each other. We were, uh, what was a couple of, you know, less than a month ago, maybe a month ago, these two teams played and it was up and down. It was a very similar game. just like this, I think Stafford had over 400 yards passing,

but Seattle made the plays, the two-point conversion, and so forth and so on, and they end up winning in overtime when they went for two. And Mike McDonald, in only the third year, has this team in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. And listen, I know we talk about the coaches and the coaches having, you know, players in the Super Bowl, but what people also have to understand is he just happened to be the coach for the Seattle Seahawks, and he has the right. players he has the right personnel to make it chances of getting to where he's going much easier

so without the personnel without the players without you know the right people the right foundation it all starts with the quarterback i had the right quarterback and if you don't have a quarterback you have to have a stellar defense hey he just happened to have motherfucker god he just happened to have both a good quarterback in the right situation with a very very very good defense that needs their own identity outside of the Legion of Boone. I mean, and he, he came into a great situation. They had great pieces. Yes. I mean, you know, I think Woolen was there. I think they might have drafted Spoon the next year. They get even, uh, uh, uh, Eman Worry. They get him. They, uh, get a D law and free agency. They make the trade for, uh, Leonard Williams. They get Ernest Jones

the fourth. I mean, you look at the pieces and how they kind of put this thing together, Ocho. And, you know, they had D.K. They let D.K. They got J.S. N. They make them. They make mid-season trade. One of the best mid-season trade that's going unnoticed is Rashid, who's been playing unbelievable football. Hey. You know, in Free Agency, you go inside and free. You go get Sam Brown.

Go ahead, don't you? I'm going to say, before you keep going, Rashid Shaheed didn't want them about two games, don't he? He didn't want them about two games, but go ahead. And so you look at the pieces, kind of how they put this thing together. Mike McDonald and John Snyder has done an unbelievable job because we know Snyder can You look at what he did, how he assembled his team. And from Russell Wilson to to Richard Sherman to Bobby Wagner to Smith and, you know,

all those guys that they had to make the trade for Beast Mode. They, they, they, uh, uh, uh, uh, Cam, they, he knows what he's doing. And they put this team together. They got a young team. Now, I think Wollin is up. They're probably going to lose Wolling. You think so? You don't think they're bringing back?

In Hill, what, what year is it? I think he a fourth year guy, Ocho. I think yeah What you're gonna do with Spoon? Well Spoon got two more don't it Or he got one more He just finished his third And you know what corners are going for

You saw what a Salt Gardner just got Okay, spoon like come see me Yeah You either go have to You'll have to he's not gonna You'll either have to pay him Or trade him You can't keep both huh

And Sam Donald with Sam, you got to do something with Sam Donald. Right. I'm thinking, hey, what, you're going to get a nice bag? Even Worry is coming up soon. He's in his first year, two years. You're going to have $300 million dollar

defensive players on your team, and you got Big Leonard Williams. Oh, I forgot about JSA. What about JSA next year? Oh, oh, wait, hold on. He got, he got to be one more before you get to be. That'll be year three. Okay.

Damn, that's crazy. You hope that. You get everything. That's what you want, Ocho. When you draft the player, man, I hope he performs.

They perform. But the problem is that when they perform, you got to pay, but you can't pay everybody. You can't play Wolling. You can't pay JSCN. You can't pay JNWR. You can't pay Sam Dara.

Market price. Now, they might be willing to give you a hometown discount. It all depends on who their age. No, no, no, no, no, no, probably not. Ain't nobody get,

ain't nobody get no discount. Probably not. I was just throwing that out there. Probably not, but I'm just saying, especially not my first contract. Now, maybe the second one, I thought it made me, you know, made me some big bucks, no whammy's. I might consider it.

But it's not even the top of my, when the Marcus Lawrence joined the Seattle Seahawks after leaving the Cowboys, he said Dallas would always be his home, but he knew he would never win a Super Bowl there. He's headed to the Super Bowl for the first time in his career with the Seattle. Seattle Seahawks.

Damn. Hey, and Matt if, and I know, I know we're not on top of the Cowboys. They're not in the playoffs. But,

well, we got some hell of a pushback on our, on our comments and conversations about the defense coordinator coming in for the Cowboys. And then people, they jump down my throat,

talk about, oh, don't you think things are going to change? And I, I mean, I'm confused. After 30 plus years are the same thing.

And thinking just because you bring someone in new that something's going to change differently, I'm confused. How about this? I do you want like this, or Ocho.

The New England Pages have been to 11 Super Bowls since the Cowboys been to their last one. Could I interest you in that? Okay. That's enough. Needs to say. I wanted to fire back and engage in the conversation, but like I'm not a hater of the Cowboys.

I was just stating facts based on what I've seen over the years. Since I was playing and since I've been going from the game, and I'm not sure where the confusion lies or the delusional, of those that really don't understand the makeup of how it's going thus far. But anyway, that's enough of that. And the thing is, is that up until the last game of the season, Matt Stafford has done a great job. He had never lost until that one game that he lost to the Seahawks

and now this is back-to-back games in which he's lost to the Seahawks. But he can't, I mean, you can't play. You're 22 or 35, 3, 74, 3 touchdowns. I don't know what, I mean, what else you want him to do. No, you can't. And, you know, if they, if they don't muff, if they don't muff that fumble, you know, on that, on that one, he's 50-Oh, in two games, in the last two games against the Seahawks,

he's 51 of 84, 831, 6 TDs, but he's lost both games. Jesus. So I don't know what else he can do. I mean, there's nothing else you can do because you're playing against another great offense on the other side of you as well, a quarterback that is also dealing at the efficiency that you are as well. another team that had JSC that has receivers that match up just as well as yours. I mean, as well.

So sometime to come to a mistake there, a mistake there, you know, a defense to stop here, a defense to stop there. And you say it all the time. And those that are you in the chat that are watching the game is you watch a game for three hours, right? You know, you enjoy it. And your team runs maybe 60, 65, maybe 70 plays. Out of all those plays that each team runs is about three plays. five plays that change three or five plays that change the trajectory of a game and that's what wins it for you three or five that's it out of three out of watching out of a hundred out of a hundred and between the two teams let's just say oh cho they have 120 plays it's probably five plays five to seven plays between the two teams that you can go back and say okay this is where we wanted or we lost this is why we want yeah but congratulations goes out to the seahawks they are the representative from

the NFC. They're headed to Super Bowl 60 and a rematch of Super Bowl 49 with the spanks to a score of 31 to 27 over the Rams, a division rival. Sam Darnel again was 25 or 36, 346, three touchdowns. He'd no interceptions. They ran the ball 26 times for 76 yards, one touchdown. JSN was sensational as he's been all year. 10 catches, a buck 53, one touchdown on 12 targets. So the Seattle Seahawks. Your Seattle Seahawks and the 12th man are going to San Francisco for a chance to win their second Super Bowl. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, Director of the Men's Clinic at UCLA Health and host of the Mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

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After a seven-year drought, the Patriots are headed back to the Super Bowl. New England. or one win away from their seventh NFL title. If their 12 appearance in the Super Bowl, four more than the next closest franchise, which happens to be, I thank us, isn't it? John's been to five, Peyton went to two,

and Craig Morton went to one. Hey, we're not worried about who went to what. I know who's not going this year. But we don't care who went to what. I know who not. Matter of fact, hold on before we finish. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Man, here he goes with some bulljohn.

Come on back, man. You ain't this show. business? Man, what is this man doing? The Patriots beat the Broncos by the score of 10 to 7, Drake May 10 of 21. I thought you had that jersey. I thought you had that jersey.

Oh, lie. Hey, don't you say foot or ball tonight. I don't want you to say play off. I don't want you to say super upbole. Hey, Chad, y'all hear that, you're not here. Man, I ain't got that jersey. That jersey don't mean nothing to me. Do me a favor.

Hey, hey, say Cancun on three. Cancun on three. Man, I'm hurting that, Ocho. Don't do that. Don't do that, Ocho. Hey, no, listen. Hey, they go into the Super Bowl. I just happen to have a jersey from when I played there.

I ain't really do much there, which is why I don't really claim. You got to frame. So clearly it means something. Huh? Oh, no, it means something because, no, I ain't framed this. Somebody took it in a frame, they gave it to me as a gift. So I kept it.

I was like, well, what you send me that for? I ain't do nothing while I was there. I said, we used a part of the jersey you won the Super Bowl. I bet you. Exactly, because you got it framed. Hey, hey, hey, yeah, but, but, hey, that's me, though. That's me right there. The new inch of the break is wearing by the score of 10 to 7.

Drake made was 10 or 21, 86 yards. They ran the ball 25, 38 times for a buck 41. They had less than 200 yards of offense. It was a, uh, look. both teams had to play in that weather. I don't want to, I'm not going to blame it on the, on the, on the elements because it wasn't,

it wasn't like the Patriots were playing in a dome and the Broncos were playing outside. But I will say this. I think Sean Payton started to believe his own supply that Jared Stidham could win him the game. Because if Sean Payton is as smart as I think he is, he looks at that weather forecast and say, there's going to be a storm moving in the second half,

have. Points are going to be at a premium. Now, we talk about this all the time, Mocho. We say when, when you have the momentum, how much separation can you put between you and the team that you have the

momentum of? Yes. They had all the momentum and all they had was a seven point lead. One mistake by Stidham and all of a sudden it's a 7-7 ball game. Now you've got to fight. Okay, they get a field goal. It's 10-7 and the Broncos get the ball.

I said, and I tweeted, I said, this is the Broncos best chance. They had them backed up. The guy shanked the ball. They get the ball to 35 yard line. And they could go away with nothing. Now, it's been reported now that Lutz, Will Lutz said that he might have been too close because they couldn't tell the distance between, you know, where the yard line was. Because you're supposed to be like seven yards back.

And it was shorter. And the guy got a tip, got a tip, and he got blocked. But I don't know why everybody was so confident instead of him. Um, he was in New England. He was supposed to be Tom Brady's backup. I mean, era parent, that didn't happen. He goes to the Raiders.

He's supposed, that's a prime opportunity. As a matter of fact, wasn't he there with Josh McDaniel? So let me, the guy that drafted him. Josh McDame when he had him in New England. He had him in New England. Yeah.

Had him in the Raiders. Couldn't get nothing out of it. And I think Sean Payton started to bleed that. He started to convince himself because remember, Ocho, I told you my coach used to tell us all the time. Sometimes. he got a lie to him, son. He lied.

Not only did he lie to them, but he lied to himself because that's the only way I can explain him not taking the three points and making it 10-0. Go ahead, don't you? I mean, he had no choice but it lied to himself.

He had to lie to the media during the week. He had to lie to himself and lied to his actual player to give him the confidence that you can do this. Obviously, they didn't get blown out. They didn't get blown out. We needed you just to the ball alone.

The dude just that big, Well, you took the words right out of my mouth. You took the words right out of my mouth and what they needed to do is before that storm came in, we need to get as many points as possible, whether it's six, whether seven, whether there's three, and extend the lead as much as possible before the storm comes in. Because if you look at the day Drake May had the day, because of the conditions, because of the elements, even though as a player you have to adapt to whatever comes your way, it was not in the favor of the Patriots at all.

Stidham had, what, did he even have over a hundred yards? He was 17 and 31 for 133. Remember he had that 52 yards like the second player, the third player of the game to Marvin Mims. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Drake May was 10 or 21 for 86 yards. 86. And he had a long of 31.

Yeah, he hasn't had a stat line like that. That's the stat line for an offensive series for Stim. I mean, for Drake May, the way the way, the way they played offensive this season. And another thing that we need to talk about, I know we had conversations throughout the season. For those in the chat, some of you, we talked about the MVP for the NFL this year. Many people said Matt Stafford, obviously Patriot fans are those who have watched the second year player in Drake May. Some said Drake May deserves it. And after what

he's done in completing this season and getting the Patriots to a second year, to a second year, with Mike Brable's first year, I think about some of the team that Drake May had to even get to the Super Bowl to even be at this point. Three of three of the top defenses in the NFL, huh? Drake May. He had to be the charging defense, huh? You had to be the charging defense. Hell, he had to deal with God damn Daniel Huller and Will Anderson and that goddamn

Houston defense, which is phenomenal. And then obviously today, tonight or earlier today, the Broncos, who were the number two defense at NFL statistically, and being able to beat those teams back to back to back, obviously, man, is a tremendous feat in a sense for a quarterback that's in his second year alone. Sometimes you have veteran quarterbacks that stumble when it comes to playing top defenses like he did, you know, three weeks in a row. Yeah, I just think the thing is, and Ocho, that you know, a game like this here, you know, Sean has to know. Sean knows, okay, you can lie to them, but you can't lie to yourself. Yeah.

And he lied to himself. He convinced himself that, you know, we got the momentum. Let's go for it. But look, even if you go for it, I don't you. I don't necessarily have a problem that going forward on fourth time, I got a problem with the play selection. Because you just scored on that plate where you have rolled it and you hit Scort and Sutton in the back of the back in the end zone.

So the one thing you know about the Patriots, especially when they got a very good coach, you're not going to beat them on the same plate twice. Yeah, no. And you're rolling into the short side of the field. And you're rolling when it got and ain't got no wheels. He can't run. But, Unk, you got to understand.

What do you want Sean Payton to do? You understand, you understand the, the, the limitations that your quarterback has. You understand that the playbook, as if you had Bo Nix, the playbook changes completely. The office of play calling changes completely. The thing that you can do is Stittem, you can't do with Bo Nix. You've only had a week. Ocho, I ain't got no noodles. So guess what?

I can't make your pasta. So you ain't got Bo Nix. So you got to take that in consideration how you call plays. And that's why the play, that's why he called the safest plays he could for the quarterback he had at his disposal. That is both, that is, that is, that is Jared Stiddle. He's a guy. Yeah. He's just a guy.

There's nothing special. He has an average arm. He has no, he doesn't do anything that you says, you know what? He's a long-term solution. He's not, he does not do anything really well. So, I mean, he's getting. trouble, what did he do? He retreats. I don't know where he got this, this shoveling this.

I mean, how many times did we see it cost him? We see him try to shovel the ball to Harvard. We shoot him trying to hover the ball to the running back. Bro, throw the ball out of bounds. You should not even have been in that situation. But Sean Payton has to know. Jared Stiddleman is my quarterback. I'm in the AFC championship game.

I'm taking as many points as I can get. I'm not taking any points out the board, though, Joe. I'm not. And he's supposed to know. He's supposed to study the weather forecast. I guarantee you if Rable knew it. I guarantee you Belichick would have known it. Mike Shanahan, damn show would have known it.

So if you know that weather is coming in, you take the points. You got to. You got to. And listen, not only take the points, if you got a defense like you have, if you have a defense like you have, you know the weather's coming in there. most of the time offensive you're not going to be able to do much through the goddamn air and they damn show not from to run the ball on you first of all the broncos hadn't been able to run the all year so what makes you think you're going to be able to run it in those conditions

I also do you do guys wear seven studs anymore guys don't wear seven studs anymore do they no not really I don't even know if they have seven studs in the equipment room anymore because everyone's field most of the fields are bermuda grass and if you don't have bermuda grass you have that turf and no matter what the conditions are no matter what the conditions are The, the stubs that they use now, you're not going to slip and fall. Did you not see everybody slipping and falling? Oh, yeah, I saw him today. But that, yeah, I saw him today.

I think that was grass. Yeah, we got rid. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, like, yeah, it's some field turf, but we have, they have real grass with some synthetic sewn in. Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah. And mems, in conditions like that, the goal ball is not going to be where it normally is. I'm surprised that, oh, Cho, after like, 20, after like 15 yards, you got to look.

The ball is not going to travel like it would. It's not going to be 42 and 4. Yeah, it's heavy. It's heavy. It's heavy. It's stuff like that, Ocho that just like, bro. But this was on Sean. Hey, can I actually, can I ask you something? You mad?

No, not really. You're not hurt. Because I knew this was going to be the outcome. I tried to tell you, you told me, oh, you got to have faith. No, I don't got no faith in Jared Stedliff. I mean, I would give me, I would give you false hope. I knew y'all won't win. I could have told you that.

You can't give me ball. I mean, hey, listen, the fact, the fact that you even talking football, let alone, you shouldn't be able to say foot or ball. You shouldn't be happy. The fact that you even, we engage in this conversation and y'all lost tonight, I'm not even sure. Matter of fact, you know what, don't say play or off. Where your Broncos helmet tonight? What happened to your Bronco robe?

You were so happy, you were so excited. And y'all won't last week. I don't want to, what happened? Where's the energy you had? Oh, Joe. Come on, man. Oh, Joe. Boy, I'm just saying the boy, the Patriots put belt-to-hast.

Oh, really, 10 to 7? The 10 to 7. Yeah, yeah. Hey, they gave that Michael Irvin. That they gave that Michael Irvin. Huh? What we talk about? But it's okay.

It's okay because y'all still got next year. Bo Nix will be back. Most of the players on that defense will be back. But Ojo. Y'all will be all right. But it's going to be a long time before that. You never know. You never know.

I was fortunate that we lost the heartbreaking game in 96 and then went back to back. But also, you don't know. I mean, think about it. Dan Marino went to that Super Bowl in the second year and never went back again. Nah, it's hard. Never went back.

You get guy, you get, like Joe Montana go to four and win. You get braided at gold. You got L-weighted, went to five. You get Jim Kelly went to four straight. You get guys like Mahomes. But Aaron Rogers went to one and never went back. Yeah. So it ain't no guarantee.

Oh, you're so close. I mean, sometimes things just line up in your favor and you need to take advantage of it. Man, look here. They better be glad. Can you imagine Patrick Mahon and Patrick Mahon was in this thing again? Hmm. Everything it lined up.

I mean, all the heavy hitters are gone. We're gone. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? The heavy hitters are gone. Most of them are gone because they didn't play with the season. Due to injury, obviously we saw what happened.

Lamar turned on this. Well, look, Lamar doesn't play well in the post season. So we can't look at him as being impediment to somebody. They got the big guy. Right, right, right, right. That guy in Kansas City, they didn't play well all year long. That is the hurdle that everybody in the AFC was having to get over. Not Lamar.

And this is not a knock on Lamar. Lamar has been great in the regular season. He's a two-time league MVP, but Lamar Jackson has, has not looked like Lamar come post season. So he's really never been an impediment. He hadn't really stopped Joe Burrell or Mahomes or Josh Allen from getting to where they need to be. With that being said,

with Mahomes out, Josh Allen got put out by the Broncos last week. And Joe Burrow didn't really have a chance because he got Nick early on. Right. So when things like, when the road open up, you got to travel on it.

You got to. You got to take advantage of it. Obviously, Buffalo wasn't able to do that. But the thing is, with all these quarterbacks that we are talking about, and you talk about the Joe Marino, I mean, Joe Marino, you talk about Dan Marino, getting there one time. The difference I think about today's game with all these teams that have those elite quarterbacks, I think those teams will always be in contention every year.

Those teams will always have a chance to go no matter what, even though they fail short this year. Lamar failed short this year, they're going to be in contention next year. Was Green Bay not in contention every year? How many times the Aaron Rogers losing? He lost an LFC championship game to Seattle. He lost the 49ers twice. He lost the Tampa.

So he was in contention. Did he get back? No, I know, but I'm just the possibility. You know, the sense of if you're a fan of those specific teams, you just know at least we have a chance. There are some teams, Unk, there's some fans. No matter what, going into a new season, you know damn well. You don't even have a chance.

I think it hurts more. I think it hurts more. The closer you get, Ocho. But listen, but I think it's even worse to know I'm going into the season, you'll have a chance. If you're a Cardinals fan, well, hell, you know when you're going to see the postseason,

you might will book your goddamn ticket in January to go back home. If you're a Raiders fan, I mean, what the hell? What you expect? If you're a Vikings fan, hell, you don't have a goddamn quarterback right now. What are you going to do? I mean, there are a few other teams as well.

I think the bills, the Bills, the Seahawks, the Rams, the Ravens, the Bengals, the Bengals, if we can keep Joe Burrow upright, some of the teams with the better quarterback play, the Texans because of their defense, I'm not going to probably leave some teams off. All these teams will continuously always be in contentioned, whether they win and lose in the postseason

or whether they make it to the Super Bowl, they will have a chance to make it to the playoffs and contend. Some teams can't even be afforded their opportunity. Yeah, I think the thing is, I think what has the Bronco fans so upset is that Sean Payton knew this quarterback was limited. And he had an opportunity to take a chip shot field goal, 10-0. 10-0 gives you momentum.

You make it seem like if you got that first down, it's not like if you got the first, it was a touchdown. I can see if you went forward and they stopped you. You still had to get more plays. So 10-0, the way you had been dominating, I think they had one first down, maybe ran like seven plays, Up until that point, oh, Joe. So 10 points might have felt like 14,

based on how you had dominated them defensively. But the one thing, all that being said, the one thing that he couldn't do is what he did, is turn the ball over and negative turn. All over. And that's- Change the game right now. You know that, you know, that's what lost the game.

You know that, huh? You know, of all the plays they ran, nothing else mattered except that goddamn turnover. That's all it came. down to, you know? So, I mean, it's unfortunate. I know you feel bad. I don't mean a pile on you like this.

No, it's okay. It's okay. I'm a realist. See, the thing is, if I'd have had Boe Nixon out of loss, I'd have been, I might have been tearing some stuff down. I ain't only like to you, Cho. If we'd have had Bowen lost, yeah, I'd have been upset. But having Jared Stenham, because I didn't expect to win.

Right. That didn't. Yeah, I mean, I, yeah. man, it sucks, it sucks. You think the boys got his flight for Cancun already? No, because I think, you know what you? I think sometimes, I think Sean had lied to them so well. They had convinced themselves because I heard the defense,

oh, we can win with Stitty. We can win the Super Bowl with Stitty. If the other team don't show up, y'all can win. But if they show up, y'all not win with Skiddy. Let's be real. I'm a realist. And everybody knows I'm a Bronco country through and through. But I'm a realist also.

Jerry Stenheim, when did you know, big game. But hold on. Now, you know you could rely on your defense and still with a game. Yeah, if you get a scoop. If you get a scoop in score, if you get a pick six or, or you create a, you know, something like that or you, you know, you strip sack and you give them a short feel. All they got to do, you know, you, you know your chances of winning the Super Bowl, even with him, we're still waiting.

No, they weren't, Joe. Turn the ball over. Because all you're going to do. You take, you take, let's say, you take the, take the elements from the, day out of it. The game is an even game, you take the elements out of it today. You can, Ocho, because he, because Drake May played in that.

It wasn't like Drake May was on the phone booth or in the dome. He played in the same conditions that Jared Stillam. The only difference is Drake May took better care of the football. And the one thing that the Broncos couldn't do, based on that, was turned the football over, especially in negative territory. You basically gave, gifted them seven points. And like I said, Sean, has to know who his quarterback is.

He has to know the weather conditions are going to change. He had to have known that. So why do you have all these these analytic people there, you have that on your staff. And so for Sean, for sure to forego those three points, like I said, I'd have called time out to really assess, to really assess what do I really do. Right.

I mean, damn, I do got, I don't have both. Points are at a premium here. 10 points are going to seem like a lot. And if long as we don't, as long as we don't turn it over, because if we turn it over, Ocho, it's a tie ball game. Yeah.

It's not like a situation if we turn it over, we still got the lead. You turn it over, it's a tie ball game. Mm-hmm. You got a 7-0 lead with a chance to go up 10-0 with a backup quarterback in your building and the weather is going to get progressively worse.

Yeah. What made it worse, Ocho? It was not, yes, everybody's going to look to say, Sean Payton got to know better than the four go three, but his quarterback didn't help him by turning it over. Right. If you forego to three and he doesn't turn it over, you say, hey, if they drive the length of the field

against this defense, don't you know what you want me to do, Ocho? I really don't. because we got one of the two or three best defenses in all football. We can pressure the quarterback. But I thought Drake May used his legs a lot because he was jumping out to wind a lot and scrambling for first down. And on the last play, again, see, he won't do its responsibilities.

52 got contained. Sam, man, where are you? Must be the gone out. Ocho, you got contained. Why are you trying to get inside? That's not your play to make. Trying to try to make no we don't need see you see if you if if I get beat doing my job I got beat doing my job I can't get beat trying to do somebody else's job.

That's the job yeah I call it playing hero ball I'm playing hero ball trying to do two things at once oh man I know Broncos fans I'm sorry man I love y'all I've been very supportive of y'all all season I thought I was going to be able to put my sharp jersey. Oh, he had a little jersey? He had a little jersey. He got a little jersey. Got 84, got real stitching just like the official jersey.

Yeah. Well, he's going to have to hold off to the next year. He ain't putting it on now. You're going to have to hold off to the next year, little buddy. Ah, man. Don't worry about it. They beat the one, they beat the number one, the number two, and the number five defense.

Yeah. If they win, I think Seattle has. the number three defense. See, number six. So that'd be a hell of a road. The fewest points scored in Wild Card Division and Conference Championship game in route to a Super Bowl.

Y'all are talking about the 2000 Raven, but we scored more points than the 25 Patriots. Even if it's only seven. But look, Mike Grable, this is why you make the move. People are like, oh, man, Jerry Mel, they don't get the bro.

This is why you make this move. but the difference is it's Josh McDaniels. I don't know why Josh McDaniels can't be a great head coach. I don't know why he can't be a good head coach, but he's a great offensive play caller. That's his calling.

Yeah. It's calling up offense. That's his calling on Joe. He's never going to be a good coach. He's never going to be a good head coach. But as an office of coordinator. Yeah, he's beautiful. He's beautiful.

I'm trying to understand last year, I mean, I'm the linebacker, man. Not, what's the linebacker from last year that coached? Gerard Mayo. I played with him, too.

Yeah, Mr. Mayo, brother Mayo. What is the difference in the team that Gerard Mayo had that went four and 13 as opposed to the difference in what Mike Brable had to work with with this team this year? John McDaniel calling the plays. Quarterback playing even better.

They bring digs in, Boutet played better. Ramadre Stevenson and Henderson ran the ball extremely well, but the defense. They brought chase on. in. They brought Harold Landry in. They bought Milton Williams in. Okay. They got Splalini. They brought Spillane in.

They're better, they're a better football team. They're a better football team player personnel wise. They're better football team coach wise. Just coming like it is. Yeah. That's okay. I like Mel and I wish you to success. But they had back to back years in which they won four games. And guess what, Ocho, they're going to the Super Bowl this year. That's crazy. This is Rabel's first year.

You realize that, right? This is his first year. And to take a team the first year, you're the head coach, with a second year quarterback who is still going through the growing pains, who still hasn't seen that much football at that level, and he's beat two of the best defenses in the NFL? Like it's nothing. I mean, it is something.

It means something. I'm just saying the fact that, dude, and he's almost, almost done it. Mistake free. Defense carried this. Obviously, he had some easy. The Patriots defense have given up 26 points and three playoff games.

And three. You know what I mean? The Ravens gave up in four. How many? Three to the Broncos, 10 to the Titans, three to the Raiders. They didn't give up any.

So theoretically, Ocho, they gave up 16 points in four games because the seven that they gave up was a kick return. They gave up 16 points in four games. And you know what? You know it's funny? I don't think people, especially people that are of younger age right now, I don't think they understand how dominant.

I don't think they understand how dominant that defense was. There was no weakness at any level, whether the first, second or third level, the back end was phenomenal. Now, obviously, the second level was phenomenal, and that front end was hell to deal with. And then we talk about damn near elite players, damn near elite players at every position. in those positions that weren't elite, they were very, very, very good. I mean, you couldn't run the football on us.

I mean, we were very simple. You played cover, too. But you couldn't run with Sam and Goo Res. Your soul, you couldn't run the football. No, and you couldn't get y'all out of cover, too, because you couldn't run the damn football. Oh, we might play some Tampa to have a run down the hole, but you couldn't run it.

And if you couldn't run it. Now, but you got to look at what we had. We had a defensive rookie in the air, Peter Bowler, I mean, Rod was the secondary. We had, Ray was defensive player of the year that year. I mean, they were loaded. That defense was really, really good.

And they had rotational Pellet, J.L.A. and Keith Washington and Powell. I mean, they could just run. New England's offense averaging 15.7 points per game, 4.4 yards of play, 13 of 43. The defense is allowed 8.7, 3.3 yards per play. 12 or 31 on third down, and they had eight takeaways with one score.

And then, oh, but also, you know what, that 2000 defense wouldn't be able to play in today's game with the way the rules are. They wouldn't be able to play in the quarterback. They wouldn't be able to play it. Everybody, everybody on that defense, where they either got fine or suspended. One of the other.

So they wouldn't be able to play in today's game. And now that we know the Super Bowl matchup, I'm just curious and don't be biased on who you got Super Bowl. Seahawks. If you may be picked right now, I will say the Seahawks. But why is that why? Because of the offense. Have you seen the Seahawks defense?

I mean, well obviously that that too, but. And that's secondary. It's nice. And they can pressure the quarterback with Leonard Williams and D. Law and those guys, they can get out there. But the question is, can he avoid the turnover one more game. Yeah.

The Patriots have feasted on opposing teams turnovers. Turning the ball over. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I mean, from an offensive standpoint, I would get the upside, obviously to the Seahawks offensively. Obviously, Stefan Diggs and Bouté and Brother Matt Collins have played phenomenal all year,

but I think they're a little bit more explosive offensively for the Seahawks. from the defense side of the ball, we know what the Seahawks are, but the goddamn Patriots defense is just as good. Maybe not with all the notable names. They're not very many. I hate using the word household name. I hate saying that. They play well collectively as a group, very, very well collectively.

And they're well coach, and they're very disciplined. So I'm excited. I'm excited to see who's going to win. I don't know who that. going to win but if I had to take someone I'm just given a slight edge to the Seahawks because of the explosiveness that they have on defense with JSCN I don't know who's going to cover him in the slot cover who yeah in the slot hell hold on you're talking about the backfield who won't cover him out the backfield who won't cover him on the outside I mean obviously Christian Gonzalez but they

he don't want none of that how but the Christian is not in the slot be able to lock lock in because jess ain't I mean but normally normally what Bill Belichick does and what Brable does is that they take away your best. Take your best. Yep. And somebody else is going to have to beat me. Yeah. Somebody that's going to have to beat me.

I'm trying to think. And so I know everybody, the line, what is Seattle to open up as? They're probably what, three, four, four point faves? Yeah, three and a half. So I'm not surprised they opened up as a three and a half. one favorite. Yeah. It's going to be a good one.

Drake, make him had to put the boys on his back. Drake got to put the boys on his back. For me, Ocho is that in the Broncos, they're receiving, I mean, guys,

I understand the weather is bad, but you got to make plays. Yeah. Cortland Sutton drops too many passes. Drop two minutes. Little Jordan Humphrey, you get those opportunities, you got to come down with the ball.

It's really that simple. In a situation like this, Ocho, got to help this quarterback. This ain't both. You don't have the ability to come back. So every possession matter. Every plays matter. Matter.

And I, uh, Drake May has three playoff wins in three playoff games. And on the second year. Hey, that's crazy. What you call them has? I think what you call them has what?

Three, two, four. How many of those? Joe Burrow has. Joe Burrow has four. Lamar has three. Burrow has five. Lamar has three. How many does it Josh have?

Hell, he don't pass that. Dat got two. Josh, I have seven. This is why the Patriots let go, Gerard Mayo. It's been a magical run for Mike Brable in his first season with the Patriots. He inherited the franchise that had won four games in 23 and in 24. Now they're the AFC champs once again with a 17. three record this season, including the playoffs.

That's crazy, man. That's dope. That's dope. I mean, I was trying to put my finger on it too, Unk. That's why I asked you when we first started this segment, I mean, what is the difference? I mean, what is the personnel, the players that came in that just made a complete difference in what they looked like the previous year.

John McDaniel calling plays. Yeah, but I mean, it's just the play call and taking you from four and 13 to the 14 and three? I think there are some philosophical differences between Mike Brable and Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo seems, excuse me, Mike Brable, you see how he waits on everybody, hugs everybody, he's slapping five, he gave everybody credit. Gerard Mayo had more of a Belichick style. Mike Brable has his own style.

He always has. And so when I look at it, guys sincerely, you hear guys say Bill was the coach, but we played for Tom. Guys say we play for Mike. I can see that. Hey, he'll play as coached, well. Hey, uh, milk Williams told me out there.

Hey, he'd be out there in the drills. Uh, Milton Williams said they're staying overnight in Denver. Said Brable told him no curfew, but the bus leaving it at eight. And if you're not on the bus, you're not playing in the bowl. Ooh.

Belichick would have had to ask on that plane head straight back to Boxboro. Hey, straight, straight back home. But you know, they probably can't even fly out because of the weather. Maybe. They inclement weather.

But congratulations to the New England Patriots. They're back home. So it looked like the Patriot Invitational. They win by the score of 10 to 7 over the Denver Broncos. They go to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl 60 will be a rematch of Super Bowl 49. I don't think. Super Bowl 60.

I don't think, Ocho. If they get the ball in the one yard line, they're going to throw a pass. I think Kenneth Walker might get that ball. Absolutely, boy. Hey, he's an animal, boy. He's an animal. Mike Brable, best it to the team,

pledging the ticket to the Super Bowl. No curfew tonight. The buses are leaving at 8 in the morning. So if you ain't on it, you ain't playing in the bowl. Brable spoke on the field about the possibility being the first former player

and current head coach the same Super Bowl. I won't win it. It'll be the players that'll win the game. I promise you. It won't be me that will win it. I promise you that.

I'll do everything I can and our staff to have them ready for the game. Yes, coaches make a difference. Coaches make a difference. Yeah. Make a difference. They do. They just do. Yeah, you've got to have good players.

But we've seen teams that have good players. Right. And one coach can't get them over the hump. And another coach comes in and he can. And it's okay. It happens. just like some players perform better under some coaches

than others. That's okay. Damn, oh, what? Y'all are one game away, what? Dang. Seems like a lifetime, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, Ocho, is that

when you like this, think about how many times they came from behind. The likelihood of you coming from behind like that next year is slimmed enough. Remember Kansas City? All those games,

they won the previous year by coming from behind. They lost them all of them this year. In one score game. Yeah, all the one score games, yep, show did. So I think the thing, the way they practice, I think the thing the way they meet, the way you hold them accountable. I think it's, you know, some of the things

in that you listen to Ray Gerard Mell was saying, hey, it's on the coach, it's on the players, all we could do. Yeah. Brave was like, look, we got to do a better job of putting them in place in position to make plays. Sometimes it's just as simple as that. Sometimes it's tone, sometimes it's voice inflection. You never know what resonates with a player,

but it's your job as a head coach to know what button to push on each individual 53 players. Do you pat him on the back? Do you put your foot in his tail? Do you say congratulations? Do you yell? Do you scream? Because every player has a different stimuli

to get them to form and their best. It's your job as a coach to figure it out. Your job as a coach to get each player to go further than he thought he could on his own. I think Mike Brable does a great job of that. I would like to play for a guy like Brable. I played against him when he was in league. And so he was solid, he was a solid player.

He was where he was supposed to be. If he was supposed to be in the flat, he was there. If he was supposed to be in the hook, he's supposed to be in the hook, he's supposed to be in carry the tight enough to see. He was there. If he's supposed to set the edge, he was sitting the edge and you weren't getting it. You wasn't hooking him. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I played it in Brable one time when I was in Cincinnati earlier.

Early, I forgot we get it. Oh, Joe, Nick Benito say he's sick. that they lost the Patriots because Denver is the better team. We're definitely the better team. Ocho, do you like Benito saying this after losing? Yeah, you can say that. I mean, that's how you feel. And he wholeheartedly feels that.

I feel like we're the better team. And sometimes you go in games and sometimes do things in life, unk, and you lose the people that you feel inferior to you. And it happens. It happens. Nick Benito knows why they lost. He just can't say it. You can't throw anybody under the bus.

You know, you guys might be the better team. But not today. around in certain areas, but not today. It comes down to one game. This is not a basketball series where you got multiple chances to try to win the game. It's who's the better team on that specific day? Now, you might be the better team, you know, mentally in your mind coming into the game, you're probably the better team, but you lost the day.

You won the better team today. I don't have to be the better. I don't have to be the better team. See, and that's the thing where people love so much about football. Because beating somebody four times or beating somebody, three out of five. That's not important to me in football because every game was a game seven once you get to the playoffs. So with that being said, the Patriots were the better team that day, today. And that's all that matter today. Now, if they play tomorrow, could the Patriots

win? Maybe, maybe not. But we'll never know because they don't need to win Saturday. They didn't need to win Saturday. They didn't need to win Monday. They needed to win today. And they won today. So it's always tough when you lose a ball game like that. Yeah. but I don't know, you know, like you said, he know he can't. Hold on, Ochoo. Hey, you know what I just thought about? I'm wearing an Arsenal shirt, right? And Arsenal played Man United today.

And Arsenal lost the man United. So therefore, I'm wearing a loser. I'm wearing a team who's, you know, let me change shirts. Hold on. Ocho, what's you call it? This is JSC's third year. JSCN going to make one to get back to the table. So hold up.

For y'all break up, what you call them? Let me get a little something. Yeah, he just finished the third year. He had 100 catches last year. Yeah, for real? Hey, Nick, I know it's tough, bro. I know it's tough. Drake May 17, Sam Donald 16, have combined 33 wins

and starting quarterbacks in this season, including regular season and playoffs. That's the most combined wins by the two starting quarterbacks entering a Super Bowl in NFL history. Yeah. Because I think, I think John and Chris Chattell, I think we had with 16 and two.

And what was the, what was the Falcons record? We finished him in the Super Bowl. Because I know we were, we won 14 games, we won two, because we're home. So we were 16 and what was the Falcons record going into the game? Falcons might have had it wins. So they should have been 17 and 16 too. So they won 14 regic season games, right?

And then three postseason games. because they were not, what's it called it was the home, was the one seed. Oh, it used to be two first round buys, though. That's why. So it was, it was, it was 16 and 16, 32.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, hold on. Yeah, it used to be two first round buys. But Drake May 17 wins,

Sam Donald, 16 wins have combined 33 wins, starting quarterbacks, because when you consider the regular season and postseason, Ocho. Most combined ever, by two quarterbacks starting in the NFL in the Super Bowl. JSCN is the fifth player with 10 receptions,

150 receiving yards, and a touchdown in a conference championship game. Julio Jones did it in 2012. Pierre Garsohn did it in 2009. I hear you did it in 2000 with the Giants and Playmaker did it in 1994. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast.

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