Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Schottenheimer official, Raiders hire Carroll, Ocho wingman

Episode Date: January 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Dallas Cowboys officially hiring Brian Schottenheimer as their new head coach. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Pete Carroll being the oldest person ever to serve as head coach in an NFL game as he reaches an agreement with the Las Vegas Raiders, Ocho tries to hook Unc up with one of Sharelle Rosado’s friends on Netflix’s Wags to Riches and much more!04:00 - Show start06:48 - Cowboys new HC28:31 - Pete Carroll to Raiders41:23 - WAGs - Ocho setting Unc up52:00 - Snyder hates Commanders success(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Jerry made the movie and he was comfortable. Now, mind you, now remember the reports that came out, Jerry really liked Dion, and Steven really wanted Brian Schottenheimer. He-he-he-he-he! And he really, he really wanted, uh, Jerry really liked Coach Prime, but Steven, ooh, they were really butt in the head. And I came over and said,

Oh Joe, that's a bull jive. Smoke a mirror. Everybody know about some bull jive, but it was just something to smoke screen. Hey, we talked to Coach Prime, that's our minority. Hey, that's our one token. Boom, we get on, we good with that. The Cowboys notably, they didn't interview

any of the top candidates. The Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury couldn't talk because he was going week to week, so you could only talk if you were in the bye week. Right. So Maggie, Spagnola, Eric G, Aaron Glenn, none of the top candidates were interviewed by Jerry. Yeah. Ryan Schoenheimer, again, my only problem, Ocho, I don't have a problem.

Chat, I don't want anybody to think that I have a problem with the hire. But don't give me this bull job. You want somebody that call plays. Mike McCarthy called plays. You see? Yeah. We want somebody with previous head coaching experience. We want somebody that called plays.

Brian Schadenheimer has never been a head coach. He didn't call plays. That's neither here nor there. Oh Joe, what do you think about the hire? I mean, obviously Jerry wants to continue his reign with power. He doesn't want to relinquish that power. He wants to be in control of everything. And he hired a coach that will fall in line with just that.

And, and, and, and brain, you know, what else, Ocho, not to cut y'all brain, Jason Whitten on. Oh yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. So again, Jerry getting in the way again, doing things his way and the definition of insanity,

Chad, you stay with me now, the definition of insanity is doing things over and over and over in a way you see fit in expecting different results. The results have been the same for years, for years and you continuously do it. Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy. Now Mr.

Schottenheimer, nothing is going to change until you remove yourself and get out the way and to call people to do their job. Not to try to do multiple things at once. Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, not Brian Schottenheimer, all of them. Nothing's changed. It's just different names, but nothing's changed. But any of the people that you just called,

were any of them challenging? Hell no! My point exactly. And you let him fill your staff, and you let him like, well, I want this guy to be on your defensive staff. I want this guy to be on your offensive staff. No coach is going to do that.

No, no, no, they're not going to do that. That's it. If it's one thing, Ocho. Yes, sir. I go to a company and I'm looking around, I'm going to give them an opportunity. That don't mean I'm going to keep them. Right. But if I like what I hear, I'll keep them. But I'm not going to let you tell me, well, you got to keep this VP or you got to keep this CFO or you got to keep this CEO.

No, hell nah. That ain't happening. Yeah. But this hurts. Another thing, Ocho. Now, one other team attempted to interview Brian Schottenheimer. Now, all I want to know is this. Look, I'm going to get me somebody if somebody else won't. Because if nobody else wanted that, you're trying to tell me something I don't know. Well, you got to think about it now. Look at the elephant in the room. Now, the coaches that were available, we talk about good coaches.

And also the coaches that were also available that could have come to Dallas, that could have interviewed in Dallas, wouldn't go for the Shenanigans. No. You think Ben Johnson's gonna stand down and you're gonna tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who we care?

Aaron Glenn, I mean, obviously he wouldn't get the job. But anyway, you think Aaron Glenn ain't gonna come to Dallas? No. You gonna tell Aaron Glenn what type of staff he can put together? But people believe he can work with Coach Belichick. Can you imagine him telling Coach Belichick,

hey, I want Jason Whitten to come on and he gonna be your coach-a-waiting. Man, man, Belichick, man, Belichick, tell that goddamn, tell Jerry's world down. Absolutely not. You have to get out of your own way. You have to. You don't have a choice. He's been an offensive coordinator before. He's with the Jets for three years. His highest points per game, they were 13th. He called for St. Louis. The highest points per game was 21st.

He also called in Seattle. His highest points per game was 6th. In 2018, he had two, three top 10 offenses as far as points. He averaged 28.7, 25.3, 26.8. And then that ended. And this was his first four-way back as being a coordinator, correct? Okay. So he's been a coordinator. He's been a coordinator for 11 years, had some success, orchestrated three top 10 offenses in Seattle, none in the top 20 in St. Louis,

and none in the top 10 at the jet. But he wasn't the coordinator, though, was he? He was? Okay. Okay. Okay. So he was there with, well, Rex. Oh, okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So we know those offenses back then, Ochoa was running the football play behind your defense. It was more ground and pound. But his most success, it came in Seattle. He did have great success in Seattle with Russ.

16 points per game, ninth in points per game, eighth in points per game. That's pretty good resume. But we know why he got the job. It's because Jerry wants someone that he can control. It's really that simple. There's no other, I'm not gonna make it a black white issue because I don't believe it's a black white issue.

It's a control issue. Jerry wants control. Jerry wants control because Jerry wants credit. None of the blame, but the control because this thing fell apart. I can't believe this happened. I'm shocked as anybody. No, you're not shocked as anybody.

You put this together. You should be the least shocked that it fell apart. Right. But like you said, I mean, you do what you're done. You get what you've always gotten. It's hard for me to believe I can be in a scenario. At some point in time, I'm going to change something. If I get the same results for 30 years and my objective, but Jerry's a promoter,

Jerry's not trying to win, Jerry's not fooling me. He might fool some of the fans in Dallas, and I think for the most part, they've even caught on. Jerry's all about selling. Jerry looks at it like, anytime they're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk. They don't need to talk about me winning championship.

They don't need to talk about me being that. They're talking about me. So I'm in the news. That's good enough for him. Right. And I don't see it changing. They bring back the same cast. Uh, if you look at guys leave Dallas and play well, look at now,

Neville Gallimore, he went to the Rams. Yeah. All that. I'm just saying they make a trade for a guy, uh, Carolina. They give a fourth round draft pick and the guy had, how many catches? He might have had four catches the rest of the year. You mean Armingo? Yes. Yeah, obviously man listen, I don't know what Jerry is doing.

I can't question it. I've been around football for a very long time. Obviously not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner, he's a GM. Hell, he's every goddamn thing. He is. You just think his way always works. And the fact that he wants credit is just beyond me. You know, when you can look at the landscape at NFL with all the

owners that consistently win all the other franchises where they win consistently, you know, the Packers, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Steelers. I mean, teams that have a rich history in winning. You know, the... Well, anybody's going to the championship since he's been. You don't see any of the owners front and center making decisions, you know, pigeon-holding head coaches, not allowing them to pick their staff, people that they work well with. I mean, all that, all that matters, all that matters. And the fact that control

and credit is what he wants is ridiculous. And if you know, oh Joe, Jerry has, Jerry has probably, let's just say for the sake of it, let's just be safe. He owned 10 other businesses. How many of those businesses you think he has on? None, because he doesn't know. Yet, he thinks he knows football. Well, he's been around football the longest,

so he feels like he knows it. Yeah, I've been around a plow. It doesn't make me a tractor. Just cause you around something. Hey, as a matter of fact, I'm sleeping in my garage tonight. That don't make me a car. Yeah. That's a good one.

I got you. I'm just trying to figure out what makes him think he knows just because you're around something. Yeah. Hell, if somebody's going to give me the scouting report, I can read off what they wrote down. Right. You'll see Jerry going to the senior bowl and out there looking at Scott, got his no pad like, okay, guy got great pad level, drops his hip, great transition, change of direction. Oh, he bends the edge really well.

I like the way he button press. Yeah, he don't know the idea. Hell no! Not detail and sharp like that. Hell no! But there are guys that do. Yeah. What's the guy name that runs the Cowboys?

Will McClay, Will Clay, he knows. Yeah. He writes the notes, gives them to Jared and did Jared and they have a little selection. Okay. Okay. And I, who do we think is going to be available when we select

at the time we select, they give them a list of names. Everybody has their thing with the Jerry. This is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is what we need. Bro, Michael Parsons fell in your lap. You ain't do nothing, CD fell in your lap. Right. Come on, bro, that ain't nothing.

They failed to you. Right. They had an agreement, DeVon Tate Smith, the Eagles wanted DeVon Tate Smith. They was like, hey, we'll trade up, just don't bother him. We'll let y'all trade. Okay, fine. Just don't select Parsons. Or y'all not gonna select Parsons, you're gonna take Devontae, right? Okay, boom. CD filling the lap.

All the other receivers were gone. So who are they gonna pick? They needed a receiver. Jeddah was gone. Judy was gone. Ross was gone. Waddle was gone. was gone, Judy was gone, Rose was gone, Waddle was gone. Wow, he really went out of the limit, got a CD. I need a receiver. He the last one left. Oh no, my bad. No, yeah, cause he, Jaylee Regan went before a CD. Yeah, cause Jaylee Regan went to Philly, right?

Philly, yes. So, Ocho, that ain't nothing. If a guy just fall in your lap, no, you wouldn't impress me. Do what Kansas City did. Zoom up the draft board and go get somebody. That's what's impressive. That's what, that lets me know, okay,

they know what they're doing. We didn't do that. So, I just don't get it. Mingo has 17 catches for 167 yards all year. He had five catches for 64 yards when he arrived in Dallas and he played eight games. Played nine for Carolina. And they traded a fourth round pick for him, right?

Fourth or fifth. Traded a fourth round pick for that kind of production. He doesn't know what he's doing now. He may does, but there's no way he does. It's not, you know, it's, it's almost, it's, it's, it's. Hold on. Let's see. When the dog did, hold on, Ocho.

Did Justin Jefferson go before or after CD? He went 22nd. Oh, so you saw that you went CD and Justin Jefferson went 22nd. Check the numbers out. Right. Look at the numbers between the two. But he know football.

Yeah. Not that CD is a bad, because CD is a number one receiver. Oh yeah, absolutely. But I don't know very many people that's taking CD over Jetta. Mm-hmm. I mean, listen- Maybe Cowboy fans, but I'm talking about if you poll, if you poll GMs, you poll all 32 GMs and says, okay, you got Jetta or you got CD?

Cause right now people gonna take Chase and Jetta. They want to, both of those guys were unanimous first team All Pros. There weren't a whole lot of unanimous first team All Pros, but those two guys was two of them. And Jetta and Jamm, they've been an All Pro every year, except what last year he got Nick. He went over a thousand on joint miss like seven games.

James. Yeah. You imagine what his numbers would have been. Ain't nobody close to him. His first three years, his first four years, his first five years. Nobody's close to those numbers. Now with the season that Chase had, Chase might have an opportunity to get him, but he's gonna probably need another 14, 50 hundred, which is possible, which is quarterback in that system.

But Jerry don't know what he's doing, man. Yeah. And like I said, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring and he's trying to get the best man for the job. I don't believe he's doing that. I don't believe he's ever done that. Now, he's not going to get a chat.

Cowboy fans, Jerry is not gonna get anybody that's gonna offer him some resistance. Brian, let me tell you what Brian Shottenheimer doesn't have. Any say on the final 53. Any say in free agency. Any say in the draft. And all those are things that a head coach should have some type of say or control over.

This basically almost like I guess what if they still have arranged marriages? Hold on. I'm the one that got to be with this lady. You try to tell me what I want. I know what I want. Jerry is this is an arranged marriage. Jerry is telling you he's picking players telling you what you need as opposed to what you want or what would best, or what would fit best to the system. Right.

Now is them coming back? I mean, as far as I know. See, that's another thing. What if Brian Schott and Howard Woodhawks is on DC? What if Brian Schottenheimer were to hire his own DC? Mm. Now that's crazy. I mean, listen, it's crazy the way things have run. Obviously, Jerry has the power.

We understand that. He's going to exercise that right and that power at every turn and every chance he gets. Every chance at every turn that he gets. He's killing his own franchise. He's killing his own franchise. He's killing his own team. He just doesn't get it. And I like, look here, it's hard to say CD ain't top five. Oh, he's top five. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I think you and I in agreement,

one two Jetta Chase, Chase Jetta, it goes year to year. Last year with Jetta, I agree with you. I mean, one, two, one, two, I think you and I in agreement. One, two, Jetta, Chase, Chase Jetta. It goes year to year. Last year it was Jetta. I mean, two years, last two years, but the first couple years it was Jetta. Chase has been gangbusters, Triple Crown. Um... What, Triple Crown? I mean, this was Chase's third year. So, it's not very many guys that get an opportunity

to win the Triple Crown so soon. Right. Smitty won it in 2005. So that was close to it because Smitty came in in 01. One, two, three, four, five. So it's fifth year. My brother won the Triple Crown. He came in at 88.

So it's fifth year. Jerry came in in 85. He won the Triple Crown in 90 in his sixth year. Cooper Cup. What year was Cooper Cup when he won the Triple Crown? Could have been no more than three. It was 2020, 2021. It was the 2021, I think.

Yeah, 2021 if I'm not mistaken. When was Cup drafted, 19? 2017, so okay. So five years, so that, I mean, so, okay. So five years, so that, I mean, so about the, you know, about six years or so, somewhere between four and six years is when guys normally win the Triple Crown. Right. And CD, oh, that's CD, excuse me, not CD.

Jayce, what are the quickest? Third year, fourth, it's fourth year, right? What was the third year for him? Third, this is his Third year. Fourth year. Fourth year, right? What was the third year for him? Third year, this is his third year. No, one, two, three, four, it's fourth year. This is his fourth season. Cause he's drafted in 21, remember? Chase.

He had two years left on his deal. So it would have been his career. No, he wanted it in his third year. No, he would have done the contract after his third year. He played this year. Okay, I see, I see, I see. Yeah, because you gotta count, a lot of times when you get confused, don't you,

is that people don't count the year he drafted. He played that year. Yeah, I'm tripping. He drafted in 21, he played in 21. Right, you're right, I'm tripping, I'm tripping. So that's why, you know, you see 1990 to 99, that's 10 years. A lot of times people will say from 90 to 2000, no, that's 11 years.

So that's about the timeframe, somewhere between four and six years. Guys, so Chase is just now entering into his prime. So you're gonna see big time production as long as, and we saw even when, what you you call him got hurt last year, two years ago, excuse me, Burl, he still put up those numbers. Oh yeah, most definitely.

He him. Most definitely. And that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When you got a guy, Ocho, and I don't have to alter anything, he's him. I ain't gotta stack him. I ain't gotta bunch him.

I ain't gotta put him in motion. I can just call a play and say, son, go get open. I can put him in the slot. I can put him out wide. Yes, I can put him in motion. Yes, I can stack it. He can run shallow. He can run deep. He got intermediate. He's great after the catch. He can high point the ball. Everything. What am I gonna complain about? Everything. You know what's funny is maybe it's a handful of receivers that can do that now. Only a handful of them though, Joe.

I'm talking about only a handful. Literally a handful. You know? People in this chat might not understand what you mean. Hey, listen. Take a five-yard route and turn it to an 80 yard spectacular. Man, every, every time you mess around and take a bad mess around and take a bad angle. Let's run a miss attacking. There's some receivers that make coaching, coaching job easy.

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MUSIC MUSIC Check this out, Ocho. There was another hire over the weekend. Pete Carroll was hired as head coach of the Raiders. Pete Carroll and the Raiders have reached an agreement on a three-year deal with the team option for a fourth. When the regular season starts, Carroll will become the oldest person to ever serve as

head coach in the NFL. He turned 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Cronel, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this move? I mean, it's Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll. Pete's resume, you know, it speaks for itself what he's done. He's a Super Bowl winning head coach. Again, when I look at what he has to work with over in, in, in Las Vegas, I'm not sure why he would want to, maybe he, he knows something we don't know. Maybe he knows something, you know, he asked something. He's one of 32.

What you talking about? What he want? And with 32 of those jobs. Oh yeah, I know, but still, I mean, just, just going to take a job, knowing that your lease is going to be short, knowing that you don't have the most important position on your team, on that team, that matters, be able to compete and contend, and that, do you know what conference division he's in?

Yes, AFC West. AFC West? Kansas City. Broncos, Chargers. All of them got quarterbacks. Everybody got quarterbacks for the next decade. Except who? The Raiders.

Exactly. But here's the thing. I'm not sure. He got to be thinking about some meeting, must be cooking up something with Mark Davis. I don't know. Let me ask you this. And Chad, y'all could help me, you'll understand. You 70 years old, this 32 year old thing, she nice, got long hair, she got, ooh, skin.

Ooh, woo! Yeah. You know, stack like dirty laundry in a dorm room? Come on, man. Hair down her back, and when she steps, she'll step her. Y'all know what I'm talking about, she'll step her. Y'all gonna see if she gonna have on YSL, she'll have on Tom Ford, she'll have on them blood bottoms.

Everything is immaculate. And she's interested in you. You taking that? Pete Carroll's about to be 74. How many jobs do you think he's going to get in the NFL at the age of 74? I like how you're going with it. Listen, when you put it like that, when you give me that kind of analogy, I like how you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know? You talk about Tom Ford. Yes. I want you to know that the nice shoes and she's a step up. Yeah.

Everything you just described in that woman ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't pick out her. You know, now the Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say, hey boy, I show up, I need someone to take him up for the team tonight. Oh no, for never, for that. The one I got, you know, she's a 10 now. Her friend, she say she had to bring her friend with her. Now her friend is on the six.

You gonna take over? Yeah, she a two out of two. The Las Vegas Raiders. You right. What she is inflamed is like getting ready to be the head coach for the Chiefs or something. But you have to understand though, Ocho. She's so interested in you. Yeah.

She ain't gotta have on nothing. She might come out the house with crocs. She might come out the house with that bonnet on. But she's 32. Hmm. Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Yeah. Curry.

Ooh, yeah. Hold on, hold on. She's 32. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. She's 32, Curry. Hold on, hold on. Let me get my visuals together now. How tall are we talking? How tall are we talking? She's somewhere between five seven and five nine.

Ooh. Mm. Mm. I'm gonna do you one better. I'm gonna do you one better, because we both tall. Let's just make it five, five, five, nine, five, 10. Woo.

So when she put some heels on, we call her Amazon. 32, got a nice job. She makes six figures, little six figures. Ooh. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carrying Louis all the time. She got her own, got her own crib, got her own car. Yeah, you gotta be careful now.

Cause everything you describe right now as a woman, she talk back. That's okay. I listen too. She talk, I listen. Hey, I don't know if you talking about old choke. Hey, I'm trying to be fit yourself. Man, I ain't fitting you all that.

I'll pass that stage old choke, where I got to where the pass, I just got to be my way. Oh no. You know what? You right. I didn't want to go over there. Why didn't you tell me this yesterday? I like it.

I like it. I like it. Listen, I understand where you at. Listen, you're in a different phase in your life. You have to understand. You don't have to argue about it. It's not like you've been Johnson at. This is you're in a different phase in your life. You have to understand. You don't have to argue about it. It's not like you've been Johnson.

See, yeah, Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I ain't got no quarterback. Yeah, ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No, but I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position players over here. Oh yeah. I got a lot of cap space and I can build. Guess what?

I got a quarterback on a rookie and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on a rookie contract so I can put some pieces around it. Yeah. You got a little time. You got about two more years. Got two more years? Two more years. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being 70, about to be 74, think about it. In the history of the game, there's only one other coach, Romeo was 73 and he was interim. Wasn't head, that wasn't somebody

hired him to get him the job, he just took over. So for me, for Pete, it's a no brainer. Now Pete can build a team, we saw what he did with Seattle, but Russ came to him in the third round, I think Russ was a third round draft pick and we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B-Wag, they had Scherm, they had Chancellor, they had Earl,

they had Malcolm Smith, they had Bennett, they had Cliff Averill, they had Red. They had a squad. Big time. Russ come in, remember now they assigned Matt Flynn in free agency from Green Bay. He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed out of $30 billion contracts, $10 million signing bonus. And he never touched the field.

Russ beat him out in camp. Crazy how that work. Hey, and maybe they can, maybe he can strike light. He understands what the thing is on Joe. He understands he's been a head coach a lot of different stuff. He's head coach at the Jets. He's head coach at the Patriots, head coach at Seattle, head coach here, head coach at USC and you look at what he did.

USC was USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map. Now you don't have to remember when USC had that juggernaut late sixties and through the 70s. They were hell. They were loaded. It was a real deal. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen. Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browder, Ross, all those guys. So they were really, Len Kane, all those guys within that backfield.

They were really good. Munoz, yeah. I think Don Mosbar was on that team. They were loaded. But Pete knows how to build a team. But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success, not a quarterback.

Always. It matters. And without him, so, Russ and Pete, hey, Russ, Pete reunite in Oakland? I mean, in Vegas? You mean Russ? Russ and Wilson.

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility. I'm not sure. I am not sure. Damn, that's a good one. Yeah.

A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with, but there were some issues internally. Yeah. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with, you know, but there were some, there were some issues internally. It got, yep. You want to look back at that? Pete was like, I see diminishing skills. Right. Nah, bro, I, and you know,

I spend the block. Yeah. Yeah. You know, sometimes if I ain't be so bad on you, you ain't got no choice but to spend the block. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, that ain't what I said I had to do. Right. Sometimes, Ocho. Sometimes that's what you have to do.

Yeah. Sometime, Ocho. But sometime, that's what you have to do. Yeah. You know, the age. Half your age plus seven minus three. So that's why I come forward. That's my box. It is.

I stay right here, Ocho. I ain't going outside of it. You know, side to side, side to side, right here. But I ain't going outside that box. Oh, yeah Okay, maybe Depending on who it is, maybe You don't know my

You don't know about oh Joe you'd offset AIDS Sometimes, you Like, hey, you boy ain't 27, ain't 37 no more, old Joe. It's different, it's different. Listen, you know what's good about us? Is really understanding and realizing we're not the same as we were. No! We understand what we're capable of doing at our age now.

Yes. We did it in our teens and 20s and 30s. Man, we ain't pulling that shit off. No, no, no. I ain't gonna look. I ain't finna grab no 25-year-old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that. Right now, old joke, I'ma win when I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, old joke?

I'ma win when I can, not when I want to. Understand see what I'm saying, Ocho? I'm a when I can, not when I want to. Understand that, chat. Understand. Stay with me now. Stay with me. There's a difference between the two. Hey, you know what you got? You got self-awareness.

Of course. Self-awareness is so important, but it's lacking in so many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our men. Yeah. You're trying to think you can keep up and do some of the things you did when you were But it's lacking in so many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our- Yeah! The kind of things you can keep up and do some of the things you did when you were- Oh! No, I'm a, hey, I'm who I am,

about to be, hey, six months, 57. Now I don't look it, I still, I'm in shape, you know, I eat my veggies and do my abs. But hey, at the end of the day, they hit that Google. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, 50, 50, 70. Yeah. Oh, 50, 70. Yeah. Hey, so, hey, you know, sometimes you have to get a cat

that's gradually coming out of the supermarket. You know what I'm saying? I'm leaning on the wall, Joe. Hey, listen. I'm leaning on the wall. We're going to come out. You know what? Yeah, it's a night in it. Yeah. It's a night in it? It's a ninth inning. Damn. It's a ninth inning.

It's two strikes and three balls. What you gonna do now? Hey. Go up corner. Two minute drive. Hey. I want to, hey, you seen your car for a little while. Why don't you go in and out?

Okay. Hey. Oh Joe, she look as desperate as I do. You desperate, I desperate. Hey, let's make this happen. What the hell you talking about? It's so funny the way you telling it and I'm visualizing it and actually lived it. Just like that.

Just like that. Yeah, like my homeboy told his one chick, Ocho. He say, I'm ugly, you ugly, let's go home and screw our ugly self to death. I ain't ugly. Oh, mofo lie. I'm ugly too though. Hey. Don't look like you can get anybody. I damn sure can.

Right. Wait on. Right. Wait on. Hey. You're going to get there and get some, get some honey crisp apples. It gets a pretty little butt out of that machine. And he's in some water. You can get it out. Hey, come on, hey.

I see you right here at 15. Ha ha. See, I see you right here at 15. I ain't going nowhere but. Oh man. Oh, you funny. Do I look like I'm laughing to you? Good memories, boy.

I see the way you dress. You coming out of the house dressed like this here, ain't nobody see. No, you wasn't expecting to see nobody. Cause anytime a woman expect to see somebody, you best believe she gonna be laid. Hey, she gonna be right, man. She ain't finna run the risk.

She gonna have her face together and she ain't finna come out there looking like who did it and what for. Every time. What? Oh man, that's quick. Oh Joe, check this out. Yo.

We're about to do a toss to a, to a rail show on Netflix. Let's take a chat. Take a look at this. I got somebody I could hook up with. God damn, I'm so sorry, she just got here. I've been sitting here like the fifth wheel for 30 minutes. You ain't say that to me all night. I got somebody I could hook up with.

Good dude, good dude. I have to find something to do while I'm here. Not something to do or someone to do something. He's not here, he's busy. But it'd be perfect because he ain't going to find something to do while I'm here. Not something to do or someone to do something. He's not here. He's busy. But it'd be perfect because he ain't going to be all in your space.

What's his name? Shannon. Shannon Short? Oh, OK. Oh. You got it. Come on. You know who Shannon Short is.

No. Shannon Short. He's a well-known, retired NFL. Analyst, ESPN. He got a lot of information. Well-known. Tell me one rule. Let me see if I'm about this life.

One rule, when you use the bathroom, you have to go downstairs. Yeah, I got it. I plugged in like a Dyson jacket. You had to plug this? Why you had to break that up? You could have broke that up a little later. Which part? The part about, oh, he got a Dyson vacuum. You had to plug this. Why you had to bring that up? You could have brought that up a little later. Which part?

The part about, oh, he got a lot of rules. You had to mention those rules. No, no, Uncle C, you don't want to lie to him in the beginning. That's the one thing. That's exactly what I want to do in the beginning. No, Uncle, you want to set the precedent early so you don't waste your time.

No. Hey, hey, you know, hey, I was going to break. Let me bring that on after we, you know, we're at the table. So what's some of your biggest pet peeves? Right. I don't like someone being late. Okay. Burping or passing gas. That's how you break that in to own your damn, you know, ruin the mood.

I ain't ruin the mood, I was in the toilet, she's still interested. Did she call you? No. No? Well, I probably gave her the wrong on her toilet, she's still interested. Did she call you? No. No? Well, I probably gave her the wrong number. You changed her number. Yeah, because what happened was, you done gave her the rules. She probably drank milk, eat cheese,

eat all those vegetables, just be blowing it up. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice if you want something. You know that, huh? Oh, no. Listen, sometimes you have to compromise if it's something that you really want. You can't always, if you have a set you know that, huh? Oh, no. Listen, sometimes you have to compromise if it's something that you really want. You can't always, if you have a set of rules and obviously sometimes it's something that you like,

you know, it's in the Bible. Sometimes you have to sacrifice and compromise if it's something that you're actually interested in. I can't do that, I can't do that, Ocho. I can't. You don't like it like that. Ay, ay, there's one ay, ay, ay. But that's always been my thing.

So it is not something new. It's not, I mean, it's the first time that, you know, probably people that have said it publicly, but if you've been around me, all my teammates, bro, nah, hell no. But hey, it is what it is. Hey, I appreciate you looking out for your boy. Oh, listen, I'ma always do that.

I'ma always make sure you're good, because at that time, when we were filming, I didn't like the space you were in, you know? I didn't like not really having someone. Obviously, this was before the Michelle DeBaco, and then, you know, that... And it was when I was trying to plug and find people that you can date,

and they could feel that void and that space and then um and I I I I I think I I've failed to this point because I haven't I haven't you know I don't really get it. You know if I'd have went up that balloon where they popped the balloon she'd have popped the balloon. Wow a 28. Hold on I'm glad you just mentioned that. I should do a 20 versus one, huh? What you think? You know what they pop? No.

No. No, you don't think so? Bad Real or popular school. Bad A, look at them playing Real. Real ain't one to play with like that, old Joe. You can joke about a lot of things. Look, you know Real better than me, but the way I've been around Real,

Real don't play like that. Nah, nah, nah, nah. You don't play like that. See, Real got, Real like old, Real more like values, kind of like me. She old school. She's from Alabama. She ain't from New York.

She ain't from Cali and stuff like that. Real got Southern rules, Southern upbringing. Some stuff ain't gonna jive with her. Don't you think? Yeah, they too. They real, real, they on real head right now, bro. About what? I mean, she's got, she's seen and viewed as a mean girl.

She's viewed and seen as a villain. And I told her, name you one person in history. Name you one person that made history. You know? Wait. Everybody can't, oh, Joe, everybody can't be the hero. No, you can't. Sometimes, what I always say about embracing

being the villain in what you do. Yes. Always. You know? I can name, I'm going to give you some examples. I'm going to give you one example. What's that? Housewives of Atlanta.

Even if you don't watch the show. Yeah, because I know most of them. I don't, I don't watch the show. Yeah, cause I don't most of them. I don't, I don't, I don't watch the show. Yeah. I could tell you who the villain is and I could tell you to make the most money from the show. Ms. NeNe.

Oh yeah. Huh? Come on that. People are tuning in for, oh, they ain't tuning in for Kumbaya, Kumbaya moments. Shit, Kumbaya moments will get you fired. You won't have no goddamn show. Exactly. Listen, you know what?

I'm gonna leave it at that. Y'all make sure y'all go check it out. Let me know what y'all think. I want you guys to watch it and come back and let me know if they portraying real in the right light. Make sure you go watch Wags to riches on Netflix. It's out now. Wags to riches.

But don't you all, you ain't do your boy no favor. I know I did. I did you great. You ain't do it. Chad, do y'all think ho-cho did me a favor? Bro, you put, bro-cho, you gotta go slow. The fact that, how you talking about, I didn't do your favor, the fact that I didn't even mention you,

period, is a favor. Rocho, if you gonna mention me, if you gonna mention me and say, hey, he got all these rules, he got like 50 little rules. No, I didn't say that, I said the only issue that you might have is that he has rules. Now everyone has a set of rules. Everyone has boundaries, everyone has things, Now everyone has a set of rules. Everyone has boundaries. Everyone has

things that are non-negotiable. I think I thought it was important for me to let her know about just one rule and she was okay with that. So that means your foot is in the door already. Your foot is in the door already. See, she's going to compromise. She don't have to do me no favor. When you say Shannon Shaw, certain things go out the window, certain boundaries go out the window, certain things that you wouldn't tolerate from somebody else, they'll tolerate from you. Let me tell you how I would do it. I say, and I got this partner, I said, man, I say, you know, he played in the NFL, had

a great career. Oh, you got to say, he's about six foot tall. He still work out. Six, three, hard working. Yeah. I said, uh, funny, great sense of humor. Now, if you want to laugh, he got, he's the guy. I mean, he got great personality. He loved to do.

He'd fly off the cuff, whatever you like to do. You want to go bungee jumping. He right there. You want to go go carting. He right there. You want to go horseback riding. There's nothing that you could possibly want to do that he'll say no to. He's that kind of outgoing, fun-loving guy. He's the guy that whatever your adventures are, he's right there with you. Come on now.

See, that's what I'm gonna do. I say, hey, you want something that the thing I know about it. Yeah. He love hard. Yeah. I say he loves hard. There is nothing that he wouldn't do for you. Once he wants, once y'all get to that point where he like, okay, we gonna do this. Yeah.

He all in. All in. If you want the son, I go get that bitch. That's what I'm saying. So now I'm gonna say I just got one thing look that's my boy I say we ain't brothers I said but we close the only difference is we ain't got the same blood. Yes sir. All I ask is this all I'm gonna ask you is this if my boy fall will you catch it?

See what I did for you. That's what I did for you! You deserve me anyway there, bro. You had a song. You see, that's all you had to do, oh, Joe. You got me hyped, bro. You got me hyped right there, bro. Listen, I couldn't do the presentation like that. I couldn't do it in that manner, obviously, because we were, you know, we on camera. They filmed it. Yeah, I got you. I got you.

I was slow to stick to a certain, you know what? And I went, I went off, I went off, you know, the strip and whatever we were supposed to be talking about. Just the plug, we ran. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah. I appreciate that. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle.

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and is in denial, sad and devastated. Snyder outlook has evolved, there's still anger, and he remains in denial about what led to his ouster, said one person close to his inner circle. But there is also something else, sadness for himself. That person said it's killing him, it's devastating for him. Listen, uh, uh, most of the time, it's more so the younger folk, right?

When you and your ex break up, you know, you know, a lot of people like to say, oh, I'm happy for you. I'm happy that you know well, goddamn no. I don't know if you want to wish the worst. I don't want nothing good to happen with you if it ain't with me. Yeah. Some people are like that.

And that's how Dan Snyder's feeling right now. What did you expect to happen? You had ample time to do right. You had ample time to do right by Commanders fans. You had ample time to do right. You had ample time to do right by commanders fans You had ample time to do right by your franchise because it starts at the top It starts with you you had time to do it The fact that your franchise turned around and less than a year after you were gone since all you need to know See dance night another place. There's another place that I'm not gonna mention

That's also going to turn around as soon as someone is out the way. Oh, Jerry. I didn't hear no there. We're not talking about them no more. But I'm just telling you. Right. What happens when someone is removed,

that doesn't mean well for a team and a franchise, an entity in the business of the magnitude of that of the commanders. Because sometimes Ocho, uh, a person can say I'd rather you be sad with me than happy somewhere else. The possibility or the thought that you might be happy is enough to crush me. Yes, sir. So no, stay here and be miserable with me. Cause I don't want you to find happiness.

I don't want you to find success. Because if you find that, that means there had to be something wrong with me. Because he said, but I don't believe, I don't believe you find success. I believe you create it. You create success, you create happiness. Now you can be in a situation that's chaotic,

that doesn't allow you, you so focused on all the auxiliary stuff that's going on around you, that you don't get an opportunity to focus. Right. But that's not how I am. Yes, it would crush me, but I'd rather you be happy elsewhere than another day miserable here with me.

Man, that's a good one, boy, I like that. I'm just not built like, that's a good one, boy. I like that. I've just not built life. I don't want somebody to be where they're not wanted. Well, I'm not wanted. Ultra, the saddest place, see, people think that being alone is sad. The saddest place, the loneliest place, is being someplace you're not wanted.

That's when you're the most lonely. And you know what? They take advantage of you too, huh? Yes! I've always been like that. Now, I've been very good at it. I've been very good at it. If I'm anywhere, if I'm anywhere, I don't give a f**k, excuse my most curse, just to let you know how much I mean and to add emphasis on what I'm getting ready to say. If I'm ever anywhere and you don't want me, you hear me? And you don't want me, all you have to do is show me signs. All you have to do is show me signs, you know? Now some people aren't in a position to be able to maneuver like that because everything is energized and geared towards that individual.

That's why I say, fellas, the more you got going on, the easier it is when things happen to change. The more you got going on, normally, when you're young, everything is about just your woman. That's it. Everything is geared towards that young lady, whoever it is you're dealing with, seeing. I think to me, I think that's why it hurts so bad.

Yeah. That's why it hurts so bad. Yeah. That's why it hurts so bad when things don't go well with the individuals that they're talking to. Because everything, your whole focal point is on just that. Okay. You might work. Okay. You might go to school, but outside of that, your whole world and everything

you got going on, we're all around that individual. Yeah. Yeah. Once you, once you start to stop celebrating me and start tolerating me, look, just tell me. It's okay. Yeah, it's going to break my heart. I'm not going to lie because I do care. You got to tell me. Matter of fact, your actions will show me. Yeah. Well, I definitely see better than I hear. But I'll tell you, a lot of times people have a hard time saying that, cause everybody say, oh, I can just,

nah, it's a lot harder than it seems. It's easy to say that. Now, because there are some things that that person does that you really like and what drew you to the, say an individual. Yeah. But man, it's a situation, bro, like, God almighty.

What? Hey, Titus, what's up, twin? Come on this side. Come on this side. Come on. Come on. OK. OK. Yes. Yes. Hey, what's up, Titus? What up, twin? Go to bed. Go to bed. Hey, what's up, Titus? What up, twin? You go to bed. Go to bed. Hey, come on, let's go.

Come on. Let's go. She only just got home and let him out. And I knew he was going to run straight down here. That's why I had him locked up. But yeah, it's tough, Ocho. Everybody says it's not easy, especially when you've been somewhere, someone with a significant amount of time.

There's natural attachment. There's things that you really, really like about this person. It's hard to let go of that. I don't matter how long you, there's still things about that person that you don't like everything about a person. Anybody tell you that that's not true. Because nobody has all the qualities that you want or you like, you just hope they have enough

of the ones that you can't do without and some of the ones that they don't have you really to overlook. Oh yeah. But man, to be somewhere that you're not wanted. Yeah. And then it's always, you know, no matter what you do, it's not good enough. It seemed like the least thing. It turned him off. Matter of fact, all the things, all the things he fell in love with, all the things that she enjoyed when you first met, all the places you like to dine at, all the places, you know,

all the other little things, all the cuddling, you know, all the fun stuff, you know, once the dopamine wears off, the honeymoon phase is gone. You know, everything is now become routine. Man, listen, where my boy? Ocho, that's another reason why a lot of athletes get, because see, here's the thing. When you making that money, a lot of times they'll tolerate you. You going out hanging with the boys coming in at three or four, that ain't a problem. Cause you giving a 10, 15 grand a month. You got this big old house.

Okay, Ocho, you passing gas. You know what I noticed? Gas don't smell nearly as bad as you making five, six million dollars a year as opposed to you making a hundred thousand a year. You notice that, Ocho? I'm just saying. I'm gonna keep it, we're gonna be honest. We're gonna have an honest conversation tonight. I'll keep talking that. Come on, Preacher. If you go back and look at it, look at women, all the things that like, is he doing all this? He did it when he was in the league, when he's in the NBA, he's, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, You can't get LV, you can't get De'or, you can't get Chanel. Now it's a problem. Oh. It was never a problem him coming in.

And he told you while I was with the boys, he came in at four o'clock or he came in the next morning. You ain't have a problem with it. The moment he leave the NFL, the moment he leave the professional rail, he get on my nerves. Yeah. He never got on your nerves before. Yeah. I need you around more. Ocho, cause think about it.

When we play sports, Ocho, we gone. We leave the house at what, eight, eight, third in the morning, we don't get back to five. Now all of a sudden, I want you to, you always gone. Now I'm home, I wish you'd find something to do. What? Yeah, which one you want? I work, I worked for 14 years not to do any.

Listen, I'm sorry that most people don't get to retire at 35. I did. Oh, well. Yeah. The more money you have, huh? You know, the more money you have, the longer your leash. The more they'll tolerate bulljie. The more money you have, the longer the leash.

Yeah. And then obviously, sometimes you get into a certain tax bracket. Sometimes you get in a certain tax bracket where your leash is in, what's the word I'm looking for? Not inevitable. What, what are you, what are you? Infinite, infinite, infinite. Yeah, that's it. It's long, it's long, it's for perpetuity, it's infinity.

Infinite. And then, you know what I was also thinking about? I was also thinking about some of the wealthiest men in the world, right? And you think money's an issue just based on the situation we're talking about right now. This is the great, great analogy. I think about the billionaires, you know, and how they have not succeeded in via time. I think, well, hell, if they couldn't do it, what goddamn chance do I have? And have it all they're able to give all You know to solve all problems, you know, especially from a financial standpoint, and I'm assuming they're there. They're mostly as well

All had divorces Jeff Bezos Michael Jordan Yeah, for sure There are few there there a few more B&As. I don't have enough. But see, here's the thing. Oh, sure. The mistake people make is that they think money absolves them of problems.

No, you just have means to help maybe solve some of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it doesn't absolve you. It doesn't. Man, if I had to... Bro, you still have the same problems. Your girl and your wife or whatever transpire You would have issues with your kids Everybody kids not perfect as much as we want all our kids to grow up and be respectful and be manner and don't run a file

With the law and go to college and be off It doesn't happen like that. Ah, all money does is that give you an opportunity that you could pay I got means Which I could probably try to solve some of this, but it doesn't guarantee it. It masks everything for a little bit. It does. It does. But I've seen it though too. I've seen some of my teammates and I've seen guys that do things and it wasn't a problem when they was in the league. Right. Matter of fact, here we go. Think about this, listen to me. Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Dr. Dre, Ryan Reynolds, Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong, Alex Ward-Jugers, Shani Tatum, Chris Rock, Ben Affleck, Chris, Liam Hemsworth, Ben Stiller, Orlando Bloom, Tiger Woods, Sean Prince, Sylvester Stallone, Paul McCartney, Ralph Felipe, Jason Bormore, and I already said Michael Jordan. We talk about the cream of the crop.

Mm-hmm, but it comes to financial earning status. And that couldn't keep a woman happy. And the women, all of their women initiated divorce. And so I sat back, I was looking over something, I was reading some early today, you know, and I understand that, you know, really now we had our beef, we had our arguments, we had our, our, our disagreements and misunderstandings, right? You know, and I, and I thought to it and I came across this, I'm like, well,

God damn, if, if, if, if they couldn't get it right, you know, and they have almost everything they have almost everything. They have the resources, the wisdom, and all their wives left them. And these ain't just anybody. We're talking about Tom Brady. How do you leave Tom Brady? How do you leave Michael Jordan? How do you leave Tiger Woods? I mean, I understand there were things that happened publicly, and you know, some things I didn't need Tiger Woods. I mean, I understand there were things that happened publicly and you know, some things that didn't happen publicly, you know, with others that were left. Or Jeff Bezos. We took off. You left Mr. Amazon? Hell, didn't Bill Gates get a divorce? I mentioned Bill. I said Bill.

Yeah, I think Melinda Gates. I think even Melinda separated. Hey, what the hell is going on? If they couldn't do, what the F makes me think? Even I'll have a chance. But that's what I'm saying, Ochoa. When I get married, that's what I'm saying. I've waited a long time. I'm gonna do it once. Now, what's gonna happen, I'm gonna, hey, you go ahead up there, I'm gonna go out into the guest bedroom. But ain't nobody going nowhere. Right. Right. Yeah. I like it. Whatever issue we got, we can solve it. Right.

I like that. See, I like to just say it. Now that's something that I've always been. Anytime there was a problem, I was always able to find a solution. I was always the problem solver. I always have been. Now at times I know my personality is all about fun. It's about joking,

it's about laughing, you know, just being happy, but there's also a serious side. You know, there's a serious side because when I mess up, when I get in trouble, I ain't got to look for the straight up and be somebody that I'm not. But here's the problem. Here's the thing. You can only solve a problem if the other person wants it solved. One plus one got to equal two. If I don't want it solved, I don't care what you do. I don't care what you say. Right. So if it takes two, they say it takes two to tango. It does.

Okay. Yes, it does. I like to tango too. Okay. Yes, I like the take on too. So. Hey, that's my dance. You never, hey. Hey, listen, it's a good thing I'm dancing. I can tell you that, huh?

Mm-hmm. You happy? I mean, there was a time I thought I was gonna have to come do an intervention. I thought I was gonna have to do an intervention. Oh, you was gonna have to. Yeah. I. I thought I was gonna have to do an intervention. Oh, you was gonna have to. Yeah. I could be honest with you and I could,

listen, we family. I could be honest with you. It got to a point, and I could be honest, where it felt I was, to me, let me say that first. To me, I felt I was doing enough in pursuing and trying to fix things in a way. And that individual wasn't moving fast enough for me. Right.

You ain't moving fast enough for me and me not realizing, hold on, hold on now, you messed up. So you can't. You can't put something on somebody else's timeline. And tell it, and try to, so I was trying to speed up the process. Now what you doing? And then I started pulling back. Yes. You can't put something on somebody else's timeline. So I was trying to speed up the process now, what you doing? And then I started pulling back.

Yes. And like, you know what? I got to a point where it was almost like, man, fuck this shit, man. And I'm like, Yeah, I get it. I put my pride and ego aside and say, okay, you know what, let me make it right.

But then it got to a point, man, shit, man, fuck this shit, man, I'm OJ. What am I doing? OJ, it's like somebody step on your foot. Yeah. Man, that ain't even hurt. Bro, you stepped on my foot. How the hell you gonna tell me how much pain I'm in?

Or how long I should grieve? If I've wronged you, it's like you tell me I've wronged you, Ocho, I apologize. Right. I'm gonna apologize. I'm not gonna say, because a lot of times people say, well, if I offended you, if I upset you, well, clearly you told me that I upset you. So I don't need to say if, because you've already told me.

If you say I've done something wrong, you told me. I'm sorry. Right. Boom. Yeah. But it's tough. It's like I said, it's tough when you want something and you want, oh, Joe, but here's the thing.

What we're used to, you have to realize. See as an athlete, you could control the outcome. If I do this, this, this, and this, I'm going to get that. I'm going to get this in result. I put the work in, boom, instantaneous. Because I can see what I did in the course of the off season and go back and try that in mini camp and training camp and boom, happened just like that. Like hard work.

And that was the issue. Man, that's- That was my issue. I'm like, God damn, listen, I'm doing A, B, and C. Now I'm expecting D, E, and F and I ain't getting D, E, and F fast enough. Exactly. The Volume. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback, Matt Castle,

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