Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Seahawks BLOW OUT the 49ers + Broncos BEAT the Bills + Bo Nix FRACTURES Ankle in Broncos Win

Episode Date: January 18, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Seattle Seahakws blowing out the San Francisco 49ers, the Denver Broncos beating the Buffalo Bills to advance to the NFC championship game, and Sean Payton says that Bo Nix has fractured his ankle and will be out for the season and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 04:30 - Seahawks beat Niners22:12 - Broncos beat Bills (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in San Francisco. So, babe, come up, come out and show out with us. The number one Seattle Seahawks bullied the San Francisco 49ers by the score of 41 to 6. The Seahawks advanced to the NFC championship game. They'll host either the Rams or the Bears next week. Raheeshaheed returned to open and kickoff 95 yards to set the tone and they never look back. Seattle's defense was stifling as they were the last game of the season when they beat the 49ers 13 to 3. This time, it was even more convincing. Seattle defense dominated, forcing three turnovers, holding the 49ers to

236 yards, and three turn them over on downs, three consecutive times. Kenneth Walker finished the game, 116 rushing yards, and three touchdown tying the great Alexander the great Sean Alexander, the great Seattle running back, Seattle Seahawks running back for the most

touchdown in a playoff game. Ocho, this thing got started from the job. It's hard to overcome. You know, a special team touchdowns, Ocho. They just do something. Hey, listen, they take the win out of yourselves. For one, you're already playing on the goddamn road, having to deal with the 12th man. Then, you know, you practice all week and you focus on the offense and the high power

octane that is the Seattle Seahawks offense. Then you know what they look like on defense. And then they have to deal with the special teams, too, they come out and score as soon as the game stars it already put you behind the eight ball then you can't get nothing going offensively on top of the turnovers you having in the game hell you really don't stand a chance to actually let alone win you can't even compete playing like that and so i mean damn a all three phases they dominated all three phases they dominated the entirety of the game at no point at no point the game, well, the goddamn 49ers in the game at all. And listen, I tweeted at one point,

they were up, they were up by, maybe about 14. What, 17, 3, 17, 6, something like that? For the 176, I said, listen, at some point, the pendulum is going to shift. The momentum is going to shift. Can the Seahawks get enough of a lead when that momentum shifts where the 49ers don't have a chance to come back? Most of the time, Monk, you watch football for a very long time. most of the time when it does shift the other team makes a way and finds a way to come back and crawl their way back into the game. Tonight

man, yeah, that wasn't even close. I don't know what that was. It wasn't happening. I don't know if I've ever seen this before. A team only had 50 plays. Team ran 50 plays, though, Joe, and get 41 points. Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, we're going to take that special teams play away,

but still they got 34 points on 50 plays. That's crazy. That is crazy. You cannot, in the postseason, I don't care how good your team. And we're going to talk about this. Buffalo, you turn the ball over four times. Now, you know, Sean got a little conservative there. Oh, whoa, four. Yeah, five turnovers, my bad.

Five. But in this game right here, Seattle, man, that defense, they're good at all three levels. Their back end is really good. Ernest Jones, the fourth, takes the ball away. Big Leonard Williams and D.L.L. long. DeMarcus Lawrence has found new life getting out of Dallas.

He finds the guys are playing for one another. They fly to the football. Big Leonard Williams has been sensational. Man, you know, they got guys that can make plays on the offensive side of football. They can run the football with Kenneth Walker, what, the third Sharbonneau.

But the receiving end, they make plays. I mean, they're just the sound football team. Very, very well coached. And I think the thing is, defensively, Ocho, when you watch them, they don't do a whole lot. They don't do a whole lot. I mean, from what I see, they play some quarters and maybe man down in the red zone.

But other than that, simplicity. Let's do a few things great, as opposed to doing a lot of things, okay. Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons why defensively, most of the time, they're really not ever out of position because they do the simple things, and they do the simple things very, very well.

Obviously, when you have the personnel, that they do have defensively, it makes it a lot easier. We don't have to do all the exotic shit. You don't have to confuse your opponent with all type of different coverages and schemes and tactics to be able to do things. And the fact they were able to put up 41 points tonight, minus, like you said, let's take out the return from Shishahee. They still put up 34, 35 goddamn points.

Sam Donald tonight, he was only 12.17. But that's it. One T. The JSN. that was it. That is how good they played the night. Kenneth Walker Jr. played well.

Cooper Cup led the team with five for 60. But that goddamn defense, boy, that goddamn deep. I'm not sure who they're going to play. I don't know who they're going to play. Obviously, we'll find out tomorrow. I'm not sure it matters. I'll be honest with you, old Joe, and that you never want to put the, you know,

the card in front of the cart. Well, that's where it goes. The car in front of the horse. The car in front of the horse. The card. The car is the car. The heart's supposed got to pull the car.

I mean, when you look at, when you just look at them in the way they rally to the effing football, I mean, it's not one. I'm like, well, hold on. Hey, Ralph, I bet they got too many men on the show.

There's 11. There ain't no way to have, boy. Hey, hey, no, no, no, we all are supposed to have 11. They got to have 13. Ain't no way that they get to the ball

that quick. And they do. That's exactly. The front four, they can generate pressure. Occasionally they'll come with a blitz. But most of the time, they just generate pressure with that front four. Hey, that number three, ooh, ooh. But if you look at them, they play defense just like the old Legion of Boom.

The Legion of Boom basically plays one cover. They played single high robber. Back then, he used to call it Lurt. Cam Chesa Lurker looking to pick up any crossers. They call it robber. Now he's looking to rob the crossing route. end. Other than that, that's it. That's all they played.

If you look at this team, they're a very simplistic coverage team. Good luck, good enough against spoon and wolding. Got love at safety. You got Ernest Jones the third, excuse me, the fourth, and then you got those guys you swarm, the D-Lines just swarm. They are fundamentally sound McDonald. You know, this is a really tough, because

Ben Johnson could get coached a year, Brable could get coached a year, D'Amico Ryan can get coached the year. McDonald's up in Seattle could get coached the year. I mean, look, there are a lot of worthy candidates. Hell, Sean Payton can get coached the year. There are a lot of worthy candidates. But the job that McDonald has done with this team

and its short time there, this is only the second year. Yeah. Only second year. Phenomenal. And here are the NFC championship game with that game on their home field. Go ahead, Ocho. The funny thing about it, too,

those in the chat that are watching, now you understand the importance of a quarterback. You look at some of the teams, that have struggled. And it's the goal to say for Sam Donald, situations matter. Where you go matters. Coaching matters.

The person that's around. I don't give it that. Carver Brady could go to the Jets. He ain't going to be to do what we know. Well, yeah, what we're used to seeing. So, I mean, Sam Donald is in a perfect situation.

I know, I've said it multiple times on the show. I know Minnesota is kicking their selves in the foot, you know, for actually allowing it out. You kind of hard to kick yourself. Oh, my bad. But I get what you said. We get, we know what he was saying, Chad.

Come on, that's also, man. Listen, I'm trying to prevent from cursing. That's why I said that. We know, we know what you be. Right, right, right. But, hey, Sam Donner's playing exceptional. I've been worried about him. He's been somewhat, he's been turnover.

Yeah, he's been very inconsistent. You're right. I think he had 20-something interceptors, huh? Yeah, 20-plus turnover. 20-plus turnover. So I was worried about him. Going to the playoffs, I was hoping he just took care of the ball because the defense was so well. And if they can play defense the way they play tonight and special teams, they do what they need to do.

And Sam Donald doesn't put the ball in harm's way and just allow offensively. Whatever the defense gives you, just take it. Just don't lose the game trying to make bad situations worse. You're right. You're right, Ocho. And when you look at this team, like I said, they're very well coached, the discipline. They're good in the special teams. area, especially on punk kick return, because he is a pro bowl player on their special

teams on the other end. They do a great job of tackling. They pin you down. They make you, they don't give you big plays. They make you nickel and dime your way down the field. And that's the best way to play defenses. Defense is not to give up anything cheap, anything deep. I believe if you have to consistently drive the ball 10, 12, 15 plays, I believe I can make you

turn it over as opposed to giving up a one or two, you know, a 60-yard. run or a 50 yard pass play. I believe if I make you go first down, first, second, okay, convert third down, first second, convert third down. I believe if I make you continuously have to nickel

and dime your way down the field, I believe you'll stub your toe. I believe you'll make a mistake. And that's all I need. Yeah. And you know what else is good? If you look at the landscape of the team to the left, let's say for the NFC in general, you look at a game like tonight offensively,

Chris McAfrey causes the issue regards to who they're playing because they can create mismatches by using him in a multitude of ways offensively. But because the goddamn Seahawks are so good in all three levels, whether it be the front, whether it be the second level, or they got them back in,

they match up so extremely well. Some of the things that Christian McCaffrey is able to exploit when they're playing other teams when you play somebody like Seattle, uh-uh. It's not happening. Like he had some runs. He wasn't able to do what he knows.

He does. No, there were no gasses tonight. And boy, they was putting a hat on him tonight, boy. Boy, they was putting a hat on him tonight. I mean, Bernie Jones, the 4th had two takeaways. He had a pick, had a force fumble, ripped it out on the tight end. But I thought, look, from about week, I mean, for like the last month, after what they did to the Rams, they showed me something.

being down like they were and finding a way to get up off the mat and to win that game and overtime and the fashion, not only did they because the Rams go right down the field in overtime. Get a touchdown, PAT, they're up seven. And for Seattle to match it,

to go down the field. And then say, you know what, we ain't doing no more overtime because the next score will win. We're going to win it or lose it right here. And they say, you know what? We're going to win it. And Sam Donald did a great job. Seattle's going to be a tough idol, Joe.

You're going to be tough. I don't care. Look, the game, obviously we can say the game favors Chicago because they practice in that and they play more often in those kind of conditions than the Rams. But anything can happen on a given Sunday. That's why we love football so much because it's one game. It's when to go home.

There is no tomorrow. There's finality once postseason. It's not like that in any other sport. They say game seven. There's nothing like game seven. Well, in the NFL, every playoff game is a game seven. Whether it's the wild card division or the AFC championship, obviously the Super Bowl, we know what that is.

But every playoff game in the post season, I mean, every playoff game in the NFL is a game seven. No other sport has that because I get four chances. All I got to do, I got to beat you four times. But it doesn't work like that in the NFL. I ain't got to beat nobody four times. I got to win four games. If I win four games, if I'm a wild card,

I'm going to beat the Super Bowl. champ. I'm holding up the trophy. In other sports, if you win four games, all you did was advanced to the next round. Oh, yeah. We're four games in the NFL in the postseason. You're Super Bowl champs.

But, uh, looks. San Francisco, uh, you know, the injuries, the end and out, you know, they lost Trent for a minute, uh, the wire receiver. I thought they did, I thought they, they played well. But sometimes, you know, team just has your number. Teams just have your number. You know, Seattle, Seattle is.

I'm not so sure if the 49ers have all their pieces that they're a better football team than Seattle. You know, when I think about it, I think about if they had Bosa, if they had Fred Warner. Okay, yeah, because you got to be, because they can't get pressure on the quarterback, Ojo. It's so hard for them to get pressure, and you got to have somebody that can win quick. You need somebody that can win right now that can win his one-on-one matchup. And they don't really have that. Fred Warner's not going to make some of the mistakes that these guys were making. They're trying to go under and they get peeing and it spits out or they go over and the guy cuts back.

Fred is not going to make some of the mistakes. He's too veteran of a player. He's going to read and diagnose what's going on a lot sooner than these guys. But I think, look, these games are always close normally, normally. I mean, the first time they played up in Seattle, the 49 is one, but it was a very close ball game. The second time it was a 13-3 ball game. The 49ers felt that, you know what,

if we eliminate some of these turnover, Joe, we like our chances. Because we've already been here and won before. So it's not like it's foreign to us. It's like it's out of the realm of possibility that we can win because we've won here before. So, you know, you feel somewhat good. You like to have Bosa because you had Bosa

when you won the first time. You had Fred Warner when you run the first time. You had Kittle when you won the first time. first time. So you would have liked to have some of those pieces. But you got what you got. You got what you got. You got to look good. You got to make do it what you have. Obviously, I think it hurts not having kiddle, not having boats and not having Fred Warner. But when you think when it comes to this time, when it comes to the playoff time, there are a lot of teams that that have injuries. Maybe not maybe not injuries to some of their star players to the extent of

that of the 49ers, but you got to make do it. You got. You got to make do what you got. So I mean, it's unfortunate. fortunate. I think for the 49ers, it's hard for me to, and I got a chance to look, it's hard for me to understand why. It's right back in this year. So, I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. I'm trying to think, I'm looking at the 49ers, maybe a D-Lyman, maybe a corner. I mean, losing Huff, a fanga, who's in Denver right now. They're safety. man, I just don't know. I mean, the past in Jigba,

I don't know what 36 were looking at. I don't know what he looked at. Oh, so why would he look back inside? The quarterback is rolling towards the sideline. You look back inside, and he throws it and Jigba slith and catches it. I'm like, what are you looking for? That was a nice drop in the bucket, too, now.

I mean, he's looking like your mom called him. Like he heard somebody. You called me, Mom? No. Oh, man, see, oh, Joe. I mean, when I go to games, this is why, and we're going to talk about the Bronco, this is why I came, man.

I see some stuff, bro. I'm like, bro, what? I just, okay, come in, son. Come in, let me see something right quick. Tell me what you saw. What did you see? Right. I don't know.

I don't know. But, yeah, you got to understand, too, Unk, now, when you're watching the game from a fan perspective, even though you play the game, and when you're watching from, from eye level of you as you were to date. That's the $2.22 because we can see everything up my own show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes, you know, what we see with a clear eyesight. Not the eye level. Yeah, you know, and the bullet, and the bullet, you know, it's flying. You know, it's a thinking man's game out there, huh? You think of man's game. So one mistake, one slip up, one step behind. What are you done? Look the wrong way you have.

hesitate, you peek in the back field. That's all the tape. The only thing that I tried to do, Ocho. Go ahead. Go ahead. You say, yeah. I'm going to say, you're out of position.

The only thing that I really emphasize, Ocho, is that I never tried to get beat on what I've seen on tape. If I know a guy like the cross face, I can't let you beat me cross. Now, if you step cross like you're going to cross my face and come out of the back side, we need to get a different running back because he two got them slow to hit hold. Other than that, Ocho, you're going to make. you're going to have drops. You're going to make some mistakes.

But as I told, I remember Pat Sartan, I got a chance to highlight him. I saw his dad. I saw his dad also talk to him. I say in the playoffs, there are no incidental plays. Every play matters. See, in the regular season, Ocho, sometimes the first quarter play

might not have an impact in the rest of the game. But in the postseason, every play matters. every play matters and so you're like oh don't worry about we'll get it back but that's the difference you know now all of a sudden

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Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his phone Nick's at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. But Matthew Stafford is doing statistical. bro, it's crazy.

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We'll come back to this. The Broncos beat the bills in overtime. Head to the LFC title game. Will Lutz made a 23-yard field goal to win in an overtime following two late penalty to get Denver in the red zone. Bo Necks passed for 279 yards, three touchdowns. He did have one interception. Josh Allen threw for 283, three touchdowns, but he had four of Buffalo's five turnovers.

But the big news came after the game, Ocho, when Sean Payton took the podium, let's take a listen to what he had to say about this breaking news. Not good news. On the second to last playing overtime, Beau fractured. a bone in his right ankle. He's scheduled to have surgery Tuesday of this week, which will put him out for the rest of the season. Stead he's ready to go.

And it was the second and last play before he threw the pass to Mims. Birmingham is where he'll have the surgery with Dr. Waltrip. And I don't really think there's any other questions. You know, in other words, this is just what it is. And we felt like it'd be best to just tell everyone now. Man, hey, Uncle, that's a best thing.

I mean, come on that. Damn, boy, that's a buzzer look. I know, no, yeah, that's bad luck. Listen, second, second, second play, the second last play before the game, you know. After playing in tired of the game, I mean, that sucks, especially for Broncos fans, I'm sure, obviously losing your starting quarterback, that changes everything. That changes the way your offense is called. That changes the way your offense is done. So now someone else has to step up.

I'm not sure. Who is your backup? Steadham. Started with the Patriots from Auburn. And then he went to the Raiders. Yes. I remember Stidham. I remember Stidham.

He's not Bow-Nicks. I think he is capable of maybe winning you a game. Obviously, listen to me, I'm trying to get some hope. I'm trying to get some hope. That's a young lady's name. That's a young lady's name. What, hope?

So you ain't got no faith in still? We're going to face the Patriots or the Texans. A, both two defensive. Yes. And then for some unforeseen reason, you get past them. There's a great chance. you're going to play Seattle.

I saw with Seattle. I was in New York when Seattle did that 43-8 demolition job on us. I'm good. Yeah. So basically, you want to start packing your stuff for Cancun now or what? I'm going to enjoy this. I get 24 hours to enjoy this.

Okay. You can't. Right. Don't feel bad by the same. Yeah, I'll feel bad. He was elected in the fourth round of 2019 draft, Ocho. He's not his first season with the Broncos serving as a backup

to Knicks for two of those. Stidham is one and three of the NFL starter. He last started the game in 23 when he went one and one over the last two games of the regular season. Stidham has thrown eight touchdowns and eight interceptions in 20 NFL games. The Broncos, they get the ball and they go right down the field.

Little John Humphrey, little Jordan Humphrey. Bro, he dropped it. He dropped a touchdown. Now, he came back and caught one in the second, no joke. that's four points. Yeah.

The same play that I think, who was that, King Kay, they caught a touchdown from the slot, run the fade from the slot. That's the same play. Little Jordan Humphrey dropped.

Cortland, bro, you're a pro bowler. You just signed an extension. You on the last, you dropped two passes. You dropped two. Yeah.

You got to have that. You're supposed to be their best, their best wide receiver. He is. You can't, You can't have those drop votes in that situation. Yeah, yeah. I mean, everything is magnified, especially in the playoffs.

You know, you don't get as big plays as you'd like, so the plays that you do get when the ball does come to you, they didn't go to court for a very long time during the game. He wasn't in rhythm. He had to catch. He's one of those that's not going to complain. He's not going to say anything. He's going to run everything hard until the ball does come his way.

So I kind of understand it, but he understands that he knows you can't have those drops. those drops could have been costly. Obviously, it didn't cost you this game. But listen, the Broncos win a game. We need to talk about Josh Allen. Oh. We need to talk Josh Allen. Hey, um, four to five turnovers.

He had four of their five turnovers. Yeah, I mean, two interceptions. Two fumble? The fumble, you got the ball. What are he doing carrying the ball like that, Ocho? Come on, come on, man. You know, he should know better than that. He couldn't eat and get your ass into the locker room.

Yeah, he's fast, but he's not that fast to not think pursuit is right there. They had the ball holding it like a loaf of goddamn bread. Like, this was supposed to be the bill's year. I said it multiple times because he didn't have to deal with Pat Mahomes, his kryptonite. He didn't have to deal with Lamar Jackson. He didn't have to deal with Joe Burrow. And he's the best quarterback. He was the best quarterback remaining on the AFC.

He's out. But there's nobody. He's better than C.J. Stroud. He's better than Drake. He was the best remaining. He was the best remaining quarterback in the AFC. And he gagged. Yeah.

And I told you at the beginning of season, Buffalo, y'all need to have some questions about Sean McDermott. Whoa, wait. We can't, we can't blame McDermott. We can't blame McDermott after that performance by 17. So what about those before? What about the previous six games when Josh Allen didn't have any turnovers? And you still lost.

Okay. Talk to me now. I mean, at least John Harbaugh, he got to approach. he got to a Super Bowl and won it. Mike Tomlin got to two. One, one. I mean, we got to have some conversation. It's just not good.

Oh, Joe, you had the best quarterback. You were the only one that had an MVP quarterback. As a matter of fact, nobody else had an MVP quarterback in the postseason. You're the only one. Hey, he put up a stinker. Yeah, and I'm trying to figure out the way you're running the football. Why you got Josh Allen throwing them all 39 times?

James Cook got 24 carries for a buck 17. He's averaging basically four, five yards of carry. Josh Allen got averaging five and a half yards of carry. And you throwing the ball. So I got a question. You think it's time for a new voice over there in Buffalo? I think they're going to have a serious discussion. I think the Pagoolas are going to have a serious discussion with themselves.

They got asked themselves some questions. some questions because are you, are, I mean, think about it, are you closer? Are you closer? Remember, you got to the FC championship game last year. They put all this technology in to make sure because, oh, he got it, no, he didn't get it.

Now they got this technology. When everything removed, when they had removed the hedge from around you for you to go, there's no Pat Mahon. You don't have to go to Kansas City. You don't have to deal with Burrough. You didn't have to deal with Lamar, although you've beaten Lamar.

But those are guys that are, Lamar is a two-time MVP. Joe Burroughs, going to your building and beat you. He's gone to Pat Mahon's building and beat him. He was, you know, a couple of plays away from winning a Super Bowl. He's removed. The guy has gone to five Super Bowls, one three in the MVP, league MVP.

He's gone. And the guy in his second year, what are we doing here? The funny thing about it, if there was a year for Buffalo to make it to the Super Bowl, this was it. This was it. So I don't understand what happened in the game like today.

You need Josh Allen to be what we most of it we call him. We give him that moniker as being Superman because he does less with more. I mean, he does more with less. This is the game. He put up a sinker. He played bad. There's no if and's butts about it. How about this, Joe?

Bill's in the postseason under Sean McDermott. Lost the wild card game round to Houston. Lost the championship in the championship game to KC. Lost the divisional to KC. Lost the divisional to Cincinnati. Lost the divisional to KC. Lost the championship to KC. Lost the divisional to Denver.

You think about some of those turnovers on? You think about... You think about somebody? I'm like, well, who was that? But you think about some of those turnovers on? I think the game changes because some of those are points. Yeah, for sure. Some of those are points, and it takes away your opportunity,

your chances to win a game of this magnitude where points at a premium. Every series counts. Every time we have the ball, it counts. And the fact that they only lost by three with five turnovers let you know that the opportunity slip right between their fingers. Oh, Joe. all you got to do is take a knee going at the half. Now you're kicking

instead of the time to go in overtime. You're kicking the game to win it. Come on, man. Sometimes you can be too cute. Sometimes you can get greedy. They got greedy. We got Josh Allen. We got two timeouts. Let's see what we can do. He didn't protect the ball. Benito did a great job, stripping him from behind. Then Benito did another job. He hit him in his back. He fumbled that ball.

Denver should have put that game away early. When Benito hit him in his back, They got the ball at the 19 yard line. You get two yards. I thought Sean called the game conservative at that point. No, I'm going for you. I'm going for your throat. Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

I got to, I'm going to end it. Can you imagine, oh Joe, if the score is instead of 20 to 10, the score is 24 or 27 to 10? Now we've got a whole different ball game. Ball game. But McMillan, that DB, 29. He made a play of the game. Yes, so.

Chat, I know y'all say that was a catch. You should have been down. Let me explain it to you. It's called a Calvin Johnson rule. If a receiver catches the football and he, in turn, goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act called catching the football. I don't know how. Let me explain it again.

If a receiver catches the football and he goes to the ground, he must maintain possession of the football throughout the. throughout the entirety of the kent to make a long story short and i made a long and i made a short story long and i made a short story long he goes to the ground he need to get his ass up and hand the ball to the official yeah yeah yeah it's like it's like it's called a calvin johnson rule yeah yeah basically when he was playing chicago remember and that was a catch and he's still he called the ball and tried to get it tried to get up and they challenged it it up.

And they won't. I don't forget. And obviously, when I saw it, most of the time, I call it somewhat of a bang, bang plays a sense where you have to maintain possessions to play. And through the play where possessions are supposed to be maintained, McMan, he took the ball away from you. He took the ball, he took the ball away from you. That was obviously the player of the game.

Because they had the 20-yard line, they're going to kick a field goal and win it. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, it's tough. Then I hate, I don't know, and I say this. I tweeted this as well. It's with a game like this, as close as it was, I hate for the refs to be the one to be.

They're going to be maligned, but it was the right, Ocho is the right call. By the P.I. The P.I. The Davius White. Ocho, it was P.I. And they missed the other one earlier. Earlier, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we pulled his arm back. They missed one. They were PIs. It wasn't like, man, I don't think that was a PI. It was an obvious PI. They missed one earlier. And they let them play for the most part. Hey, yeah.

You heard what you just said? They let him play for the most part. But I would love something to see. If you're going to let them play early in the game. We can't let you be that agree with it, though, Ocho. Yeah, it was agree. Trude Davis was a little early. I wish he would have looked back for the ball.

He patted it. He got beat off the line. When you get beat off the line of scrimmage and then you were in hurry up mode trying to catch up, what's the first thing you do? If that receiver slowed down, then you can't run up his back.

You're going to run right up his back. Bo, that's supposed to be a walk-up touchdown. But Bo didn't trust himself. So he put it up there, knowing Mims was going to have to slow down and no white was going to run up his back. That's a touchdown. That's a walk-off touchdown.

That's supposed to end the game. All he's supposed to do is let Mims run up. Woo-woo. Yeah. I just hate the fact, I know it was PI, but I hate the fact that it came down to the yellow flag. I hate that the end of the game and the game's decision making ended up on the rest flag. I mean, it was PI.

I'm not not not not. I'm saying it wasn't. I just hate that it ended the way it did. I do. I do. But I can see Ocho if it wasn't like it was kind of like when you had the conversation of our first year old nightcap with the Eagles and KC. man, man, you can't throw the flag.

The man came and told you, Bradford the fore and said, I held him. I was beat. So the man telling you is held him. Even the official, when he explained it to the pool reporters, what we saw is the guy gets beat, he's pulling away, and the guy, he's about the option away, and he tugs it. Bradford came, he said, I did it. I was hoping they didn't see it.

And Philly fans still, and everybody told him up, what they shouldn't have called it. The man, Ocho. So if a man, I robbed. that bank. I took that $15 million. Man, he ain't do it. They shouldn't even arrest that man. He told you, he did it. And he got the money to show you. You saw the man grab JujuJurzy.

All he had, like you said, they missed the first PI. That really should have been PI. And they didn't call. I was like, well, damn, are y'all not going to call PI today? So Sean said, you know what? Let's dial it up again. Let's see either we're going to get a completion or we're going to force them to call it. One or the other. And especially, especially that situation, that timing of the game.

Once I saw, once I saw White get beat off that. And then the bomb list. You ain't got no, Elcho. He ain't got no help. He already know. At all. I got to get on my horse. I got to get on my horse.

And the funny thing about it is, would make some of the greatest DBEs in the NFL, in the NFL when you're in a in that, no, a bad situation. Oh, there we go. When you had a disadvantage like that, when you get beat, can I still remain calm and collective when the ball is in the air

and still be able to play the ball even though the man is in front of it? That's hard to do, boy. It's even harder when you're in overtime. So just to imagine that's all right. In first quarter, second quarter, maybe there's a chance. Now, if next score win, they have had the ball, we've had the ball. They score, they win.

So now it ain't like the fourth quarter. Okay, our offense get a chance. They can go down and redeem this. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. And when I look, I was like, oh, he opened. And I saw him throw, I say, why would you throw the ball like that? When you're not confident, Ocho, and you don't want to overshoot it?

Yes, sir. You try to just get him the ball. knowing that he's going to, because I can see the ball, Ocho. I see the ball. The D.B. not looking back because he's in such a hurry to catch up with me. He's just going to run sling. It's just like you, when you're not paying attention, you run slam in the back of somebody.

Where if you're paying attention, you don't run in the back of nobody. You're filling down with your phone or you go to answer your phone and you go to train. Bam! Oh, man, what happened? You're a ran dead in the back of somebody, Ocho. But it was, it was a, it made. Man, Ocho. I think we got the record.

119.7 decibel. That's a lot. A, that plays with crazy. Yes. As check that. 119.7. I think we took that thing back from from Seattle or Kansas City.

I don't know. I think we got 119. Unless somebody got more than 119. That's ours now. I know, Kansas City or Seattle might have hired in 119. I could be wrong, but them two stadiums there when it comes to that crime.

See, how to get loud. Well, you can't hear nothing. See, I was there been tracking stuff like that when it was in like the Kingdom or the Astrodome when it was old, the House of Pain. That's what you used to call the Astrodome, Astrodome, the House of Pain or the Kingdom or some of these old, but they didn't keep track of it back then. Here's Sean McDermott on that controversial call. It's hard for me to, and I have. I've had a chance to look at. It's hard for me to understand why it was ruled the way it was ruled.

And if it is ruled that way, then why wasn't it slowed down? Just to make sure that we have this right, that would have made a lot of sense to me, to make sure that we have this thing right, because that's a pivotal play in the game. We have the ball at the 20, maybe kicking a game winning field goal right there. So I'll just leave it at that. But I'm doing, I'm saying it because I'm standing up. for Buffalo, damn it. I'm standing up for us. Because what went on is not, that is not how it should go down, in my estimation.

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to play the cooks in which McMillan took it out of his hands. Listen, Mr. McDermott has been around the game of football for a very long time. Mr. Dernard understands the rules when it comes to the game of football. Even watching from the sideline, you had a field side, you have an eye, you have an eye view of what's going on. You know that's an interception. I'm a receiver. Even I understand that you have to have positions to catch and maintain it and get up with the ball.

because he went if he doesn't go to the ground but once you go to the ground on Cho you must maintain if the dad's Brian I, Dan Bryant is there it. Green Bay game. He went to the ground. No, the moment you go to the ground. So let that chat.

If you can, hey, I don't know what your rules are in the Turkey League or your flag football league. But if you catch the football and you go to the ground. You got to maintain possession of the football throughout the act of the catch. And Buffalo, it's hard, but you know, McMillam, as he was going down,

McMillan was pulling the ball. That's why he was able to come up with it. Yeah, hey, that's a bang, bang play. It's, you know, going to the ground. I mean, the receiver, you want to do the best you can to grab that thing. and have strong hands. But obviously, you out,

you out here. You out here with it. So it's hard to bring that in. And because you're out here and you, you expose, you don't have much strength because it's not close to your body. And because when he turned, made a stronger man,

because when you turn, Ocho, you bring the DB into play now. Yeah. Now he got, now he can do this and his momentum is carrying him over. So he's going to pull it out. Yeah.

Every time. But think about it. He pulled it out and held on to it. A lot of times we see it pull out and it's incomplete. Yeah. But the hair is the play before. See, if Cooks was a hands catcher, he'd caught that one on the sideline.

Remember, he jumped up and caught it with his body. He got his foot down and then he tried to brace himself and his hand touched down out of bounds. Yeah. He caught it with his hands. He got both feet down and bound. You have to understand where you are on the floor. deal.

But I thought, look, if I'm Buffalo, I'm definitely bringing cooks back. Because I think he played, I thought he played really well. I mean, also he just got there like two days ago. Yeah, he ain't been that long. He ain't been that long. But even if you don't bring cooks back, you think about some of the options, some of the options that you have. You know, there might be a shakeup.

There might be a shakeup with someone that's down there in Philly who might, might be a viable option. option to come in as your number one, who would be tremendous to have for Josh Allen to have a, what I'd like to consider a true number one. Chat, y'all know exactly where I'm going with this. You never know what can't happen in regards to people talk about cap hits and all that. I'm not sure if you're following the game of the game of football long enough. NFL teams don't care nothing by no cap hits.

You'll make it work. NFL team don't care nothing about no cap hits or how high it is. They don't care nothing like that, especially when situations have. deteriorated as much as they have this year over there with some of the issues that they had. So I think they're probably going to move on from one of the best in the game, and there's a good chance he might end up in Buffalo. Ocho, pool report reasoning. Question, what did you see on the past of Brandon Cooks that was ruled an interception

by Jaquan McMillan? Carl Chaffers, who's the referee. The receiver has to complete the process of the catch. He's going to the ground. As part of the process of the catch, he lost possession of. of the ball when he hit the ground. The defender gained possession of it at that point. The defender is the one that completed the process of the catch,

so the defender was awarded the ball. Did the ball hit the ground? No, that was confirmed in the replay process. The interception was confirmed. Now, he is an official. Now, I just told you the rule. I told you the rule. I tweeted.

I said, this is what has to happen? When you go, chat, is the last time, Moteo and I was going to say, explain it to you. Ocho is a receiver. I'm the DB. Ocho jumps up and catches the ball. If he stays on his feet, we good. But if Ocho goes to the ground and in the process of going to the ground, we hit the ground simultaneous and he loses possession and I come up with the ball. It's my ball. I completed the process, not Ocho. Ocho started the process. I appreciate for doing that. I completed the process.

That's my ball. Right. Also, chat, with this hypothetical scenario that Ungd just created, if he was a DB and I was a receiver, I would have scored a touchdown. That would have been a difference. I hadn't let you off the, I hadn't let you off the,

and I hadn't let you out of, Ocho. And they know this. In overtime, everything is replayed. All scorer. Yes. Because they didn't want people challenging it. Or touchdown. somebody had to burn a challenge flag

because they thought it was a touchdown or that was a fumble or that was this. They said, you know what? We're going to let you save your challenges. The mere fact it was a change of possession. They replay it. I don't know why Sean McDermott burned a timeout. They replayed it.

It was a turnover. All scoring and change of possession plays are automatically reviewed. Yep. Yeah. and then and then to know the rules as a head coach and still you have to you got to fight for your team you got to stick up for your team but like come on there you know you know that once brandon cook goes to the ground he was maintained possession

if he'd have maintained possession what that would have meant ohcho macmiller wouldn't have had the ball how you have something in your possession and then i got it in my position right and then you know some people aren't even going to listen some people aren't going to listen you know the people that are not going to listen the people that are buffalo failed oh shatter you just saying that you just saying that because your team won no i'm saying that because that's the rules i just happen to know the rules i mean yeah I mean i would I would look and I get it and in situations

ocho and I talk about talk about a little earlier is that guys are really hard, but they become excruciatingly hard the later you get to the game because you feel like that might have influenced to have some impact on the game. Yeah, I hate that. But ask yourself, Buffalo fans, if the guy had dear Shakira like that, would you have wanted that play call? Yes or no? Yeah.

How about your quarterback? Hold on to the football. How about your quarterback, not try to think. throw down the scene and read the backside safety. Right. Josh Allen, I mean, for the mere fact that you was even in the game, I mean, you play probably any other team. You lose it.

You're in a situation like San Fray and Seattle. Oh, game over. Game over. Four turns out. Five. Oh, five, excuse me. You do realize the goddamn Seahawks capitalize off every turn of a night. Every last one.

And the thing, this game was about, boy, this game was about to get out of hand. It was 7.3. Devere did not do anything. They got the ball back, and they're going right back down the field. And Singleton put a hit on James Cook. Yeah. Take it.

I mean, he picked him up off his feet. Yeah. Huff was right there, Johnny, on the spot. and they go right back down the field and they get a touchdown. But this thing was about to, I was like, oh, it's about to be 14 to 3. There are no

inconsequential plays come post season. Every play matters. Every play matters. And people don't, well, that ain't no one play. Because it's like four or five plays that actually determine the outcome of the game. Every time.

It's four or five plays. You can go back and look. In the postseason, It's because every play is very, very important. You just track it back. We make this. We do this. But that was an interception.

They reviewed it. I don't know. He's talking about, well, they should have took a little bit more time. How much time you want them to take? It doesn't, it don't change. Oh, Joe. If they took, you know what, they just came back from the. review. It was an interception.

It don't matter how long it takes. It doesn't change the outcome. No. Mm-mm. And some people, I'm reading the chat as we sit here talking, some people still, still not listening. He hit the ground with the ball. I mean, like, he did.

But, so let me ask you a question. If the ball, let me ask you a question, he catches the football. He hits the ground and the ball pops out. Is that a catch? Why isn't the catch? He hit the ground with the ball. Mm-hmm. If Ocho, I can't read the chat. But Ocho's saying he's reading the chat.

He said he hit the ground with the ball. So if he hits the ground with the ball and the ball pops out, what is that? Incomplete. Okay. Go to the ground as the receiver. You must maintain possession of the football. He goes to the ground. He didn't maintain possession.

You know why? Because McMillan took it from him. Yeah. McMillan. Temple is that. And Carl Chapters told you. it was the DB that completed the process of going to the ground and coming up with the football. Oh, yeah.

The difference is McMillam was down by contact because Cook had touched it. If not, he could have got up and ran. Yeah. I mean, it, listen, it sucks. It sucks. It's like, you get your girl pregnant. And she wait. Oh, Joe, she wait three or four weeks to tell you.

Why don't you tell me? it wasn't going to change anything. I'm still pregnant. It's not like, it's going to change nothing. So if I had told you in March, instead of telling you April, what would that have changed?

I'm still pregnant. So if they take 30 minutes, they take 45 minutes, they take an hour to review that call is still an interception, is still the Broncos ball. No matter what. I know,

no matter what. I get it. I get it. This was supposed to be your year because all the. stumbling lots, all the things that have stopped you in previous years, removed, mainly Joe Burrell and Patrick Mahomes. Those two have been removed.

And now you let us say, your quarterback come in and. That's why I'm a firm believer in letting a coach pick his quarterback. Sean didn't want Russ. I don't believe he had to be little Russ like he did in Detroit. And so, hold on the who's, I was talking about. not to get off track. Oh, y'all, we were talking about A.J. Brown. They're talking about A.J. Brown to do too big of a cap hit dead money.

I said, is he more or less than what Russell Wilson was on the cap? I mean, if he is $85 million. I don't think people understand how this business works on. I don't think they do because the first thing they do is they, and the NFL teams do not care about that dead cap hit money. They don't. When things have deteriorated, the relationships, the distractions, as they so call them. When it gets to the point to where it is now, there's no going back.

There's no going back. And obviously, it's the Eagles fans. Listen, you love AJ. You love what he stands for. You love what he's done for the organization. But it's tough, man. It's tough. He's not happy.

No. And the report of that, that he had requested a trade. I don't know if that's true. Some reports could be erroneous and some can be. have some, there might be a little truth in it. There's a little truth even in the line. Oh, wait, it depends where it came from. It depends where the rumor came from.

And if it, if it's anonymous and someone that is somewhat of a credible source says it, it's coming from somewhere. Yes. It's coming from somewhere. They reviewed it. Oh, man. The NFL record decibel level is Arrowhead Stadium fans reach 142.2. Wow.

I told you. I knew, I knew it was either, it was either Kansas City or Seattle was one of the other. Oh, Joe, I don't know. That thing was like laugh. So that's, that's 23 show. Yeah. Yeah. You, you, I mean, oh, you played in Kansas City.

Oh, Kansas City and Denver was the too loudest state as I ever played in. Yeah. And it's just what happened. You know, Denver was my home in Kansas City. We played, you know, we played that every year. Played it every year for 12 years. So I got 12. Well, I got 13 because we played them in the playoffs one year.

Yeah. I only had one trip. And that one trip there, I was like, I never, never experienced nothing like this. And I'm like, I'm curious, all fans, they sit in the stadium, they all scream, they all cheer, they all boo, whatever it may be. And I'm thinking, well, maybe it's the way the stadium is built. Why is it that this stadium in particular sounds so much different than everyone else? I mean, it's, I mean, when it's so loud and I got to get.

And you sitting right next to me? And you can't, you can't, I can't hear what you say it. Unless I like, yes. That's when you know it's loud. This thing, it was, it was crazy. But I'm glad Carl Chephyrs and normally the referee meet with pool reporters and they ask any controversial call or what this, X, Y, MZ. And he explained it to him. Possession of a football receiver goes to the ground.

He must maintain. possession of the football throughout the entirety of the act of catching the football. He did not. And y'all know it. So hopefully, Ocho and I explained that to you guys really, really well because I don't really know what else to state. Ocho, obviously, emotions were extremely high in the Bill's locker room after the game. Here's Josh Allen and Dion Dawkins after the game.

It's extremely difficult. I feel like I, yeah, feel like I let my teammates down tonight. He said he feels like he let you guys down. How do you react when you're a quarterback who's done so much for you, says that to you guys? Let us do. I love that. I love that emotion.

Huh? Because you know why I love it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I know how much they invested into them. This is the kind of emotion that when you invest into it. Your relationship is ending out for five, 10, 15 years. that hurt, boy. Your child is, after everything that you've done

and you've invested so much and they get sidetracked temporarily, that thing hurts. Yeah. I've been there, Josh. I've been there, Dion. Bro, don't let nobody are a big grown-ass man. Because everybody's going to say, man, if I'm making 40, 30, 40, 50, 50, I don't care.

See, the funny thing about it is people can't see past the money. People can't see the money, but they don't understand all the work that you put in to be able to make that kind of money. Lot of sacrifice. Training camp, all-season program, hours and hours and countless hours of practice and film and studying, rehab.

They don't understand everything that goes. People, fans of the game, they get to see the finished product go out there on Sundays. They don't understand the work you've got to put in before Sunday gets down. Do you know what they talk them to get them? That's why. That's what it is. Think about how long it took them to get there. Man.

I mean, from the time, a lot of these guys been playing football from the time they were seven, eight, nine years old. This is a lifetime of devotion. This is a lifetime of dedication. And I'm so close. I can see it.

I'm so close. I can see it, Ocho. And every single year, and it doesn't get easier. I want you to know, disappointment does not get easier. It doesn't. Even if you've had disappointment

one year after the next, it doesn't get easier. It doesn't. As a matter of fact, it gets harder. Because as you suffer these disappointment, as the years go by, you realize I've got you less years to do this.

Oh, yeah. Oh, that window of opportunity is small, huh? That window of opportunity in the NFL in general is small. And then you have to maximize the opportunities to make the play. playoffs or be able to make that run at getting the Lombardi. You were afforded the opportunities

for a while in your career. I was very fortunate. I want three and four years. Hey, imagine being on my end. No, I don't know. You know, going into each season hoping, at least just hoping to have a winning season.

You got me thinking about no Lombardi. Shit, I'm trying, can we have a win this season first? Yeah, let's. Let's win. Let's get to the playoffs. Then maybe I can shift my focus. Because right now, I can't really see paths.

I can't see that far down the road, don't you? It's dark and I ain't got no headlights on. Yeah. Amen. Like I said, Chad. And just, I'm not just like remove yourself if you've never been an athlete or or, but I'm saying, just imagine the thing that you poured the most into, the thing that you sacrificed the most.

and it didn't go your way. Maybe you didn't get the job. Maybe you didn't get into the school that you wanted. Maybe you didn't get the grades that you wanted. Maybe you didn't get the promotion that you wanted. You know what the funny thing about it is? Is everybody can be able to have a sense of how Dionne Dawkins is feeling or how Josh Allen is feeling?

Simply because maybe if you didn't play sports, hell, it could be a relationship. You think about the years and the time you spent, you know? investing in something and not getting that return on it. And then it ending and you're sitting there wondering like, well, God damn, where did everything go wrong?

What did I do? What could I have done differently? Better. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the thing. It's the lifetime of regret that you look back at like what

because nobody's going to, nobody remembers all the great Superman, the Hercules plays that Josh Allen's made. All they remember, I remember him in the divisional round. He turned the ball over four times. He had gone six games. He had turned the ball over.

16 total touchdowns, zero turnovers. And then today, he had four. They had five turnovers. And for that, you have five turnovers. And still, I have to take a field goal in overtime to beat you, less you know you're close. But close only matters if you're throwing grenades and you're slow dancing. And if there's a chaperone there,

you're not going to be able to get that close. I like that. I ain't never heard that one. It's tough, man. I know how Josh was feeling. Because, boy, I felt the same way when we lost to Jacksonville. That exactly, exactly. And I held it together when I was on camera.

But when I got in that car, you let it out, huh? As a matter of fact, my girl, she didn't eat right home with me. I said, ride home with your mom. Damn. Because I already know I already know I would be able to go together, no. Yeah, you want to see you vulnerable, huh? Hey, it's okay to cry? I know it is.

Hey, I didn't see. I didn't, I didn't, because I had put so much blame on me, I had dropped the two-point conversion. I had dropped the crucial third down. I had put so much on me. Yeah. I couldn't let her see me break down because I know I was going to break down. Hey, Uncle, it's okay to be vulnerable, huh?

See, I'd be, I'd be crying on the show live in front of everybody. I don't be can. That's, uh, yeah, I'm just like, I, and plus. I just wanted to talk I just wanted to talk to my brother I just needed to hear his voice because he's that soothing he's that calm

that let me know it's okay yeah and that's that's what I got so what Josh is feeling what Dion Doggers is feeling I felt the same thing I was just able to keep it I was just able to hold it together on camera but trust me when I got in that car yeah

damn I'm sorry I'm sorry about that man I mean, you play shitty, boy. Yeah, I caught a touchdown, Ocho. I'm feeling good, Ocho. Call put in motion, went down to, I. I was like, you know, I put a move on them,

Coach, they put me in motion. Yeah. Got up to sleep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Called like a 20-something yard, 27-yard touchdown. We were high. Go back down the field, scored again, two points, because we kicked two field goal.

Then we got a touchdown, and the mic said, we got to go for two, going for two. Yeah. Oh, man, I still. Then, uncle, you drop it? Hey, you're sorry, man. You're sorry, y'all.

What I say? The mind replayed with the heart can't delete. I was heartbroken. I replayed that over and over. I mean, think about it. I mean, I won three Super Bowl. I was a multiple time all pro pro pro pro bowl player. I'm in a pro football Hall of Fame.

Every state that I've ever lived in, I'm in the sports Hall of Fame. I'm in the Division II Hall of Fame. in the Black College Hall of Fame that play. Damn. That play. I still think about it. And don't worry about it now, boy.

That was a long time ago, boy. It is. I mean, sometimes I find myself, I mean, you know, I just be, I find myself just thinking like, damn, whatever. But then I flip sides to what show, that was the catalyst for you guys to get, go get back to back.

But then I start talking to Burns. I start talking, man, man, we, you know we should have three-peated. then all of a sudden all those emotions that I felt so many, many years ago start coming back. Dang. I try to be,

and that's, I think that's one of my problems because I try to be, I try to be a perfectionist. I try to do every single thing right. Yes, and I try to do, I try to take every step to make sure it's right.

And when, and when it's not, boy. It'll hurt. You got to understand, but you're human, man. You're human. As much as we want to be perfect and all that we do. Yes.

Yes. My sister tell me that all the time, Muncho. Yeah, human error is inevitable. No matter how much we try to perfect our craft or perfect the way we walk, you know, in the steps of the big man upstairs, man. We all backslide at some point. We all fall short at some point. And then the thing is, I go to Baltimore, and I'm known as a Jaguar killer.

Two game winning tough guys against them jokers. Set up another game when a key field goal. Yeah. I was like, okay. Okay, okay, Jaguar, I like that. Okay. Hey, hey, y'all. Yeah, yeah, I declawed them.

Give them them clog. You can't do nothing. Who are the claws down? I declawed him. Let me stop for, you know, Peter be talking all crazy, reckless. They got mad at Kim Kardashian because you wouldn't bought some dogs

and didn't go to the pound. Ocho. Yeah. We're going to put this loss on, Josh? Yeah. Yeah. We put it on every other quarterback when they lose. This is on John. Because we gave a ton of credit last week against Jagged,

did we, Ocho? A game a lot. Game a lot. Game a lot. The owner's on that win. Josh Allen. So the on this loss is on Josh Allen. He didn't have four turnovers. He played like doo-doo, boy. He played like dude. I ain't talking about any kind of dude. I'm talking about like diarrhea, like slippery. Yeah, like like messy. Like that on, hey, tonight bad from 17, what? You know, and I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not one to really criticize,

but I've gotten better at being able to express myself when someone doesn't play up the bar. based on standards of being of MVP, caliber quarterback, and not having to deal with your nemesis. No, he ain't no MVP caliber quarterback. He had an MVP. He got it.

He got the award last year, remember? Okay. I bet. You ain't know. Right. Right. Yeah. Hey, boy.

And you know who Mr. Hanky is? You're on Wild South Park? Oh, no. Yeah, well, Josh Allen played like Mr. Anke tonight on. I let I let Ash or Jordan. They can tell you who Mr. Anke is, but he played like Mr. Hanky tonight, boy. for the most part

if it ain't if we're not critiquing a movie for a Netflix or a movie house, if it ain't sports someday I go if sports at Ocho, like if we got less than just say we're going to be off Tuesday Wednesday. If the Lakers not

playing, my team don't even come on. I go days without TV even coming on. And like I said, if we're not going, if I ain't got to watch to talk about it on nightcap. Yeah. I got to get my, I have to give my line of break because I mean,

bro, I go. I mean, I'm all in. Yeah. I mean, I make it look either because I enjoy what I do. I love what I do. This is my passion. I'm passionate. God has blessed me with tremendous recall. He's blessed me with the ability to express myself and have a way with words and I can make people laugh. I can be serious what I need to be. But sometimes you just have to turn your mind off, Joe. And it's hard. I can turn my mind off and not watch TV. But then I'm like, try to go to bed.

And I just sit there, two, three hours at a time. I mean, sometimes I go to bed like after a nightcap. Hmm. I look at my watch. It's like 2 o'clock at the morning. Knowing I got to get up at 630 because I just go bark one time. Right. I mean, it's time to go.

I mean, it's just like here. And then he bark two times. And then I said, well, I got to get up because he's going to wake the little ones up. So, Josh, I feel you. Now, don't think, no, don't think now. I ain't going to put all this, blame on you. I amplifies with you. Now, I do.

You end it, don't. Yeah. But just know. You don't play. Play it like some stuff right now. Oh, Joe, did you see the flag plant before the game? The flag plan. Hey, man, I've seen that.

jacket you had on. Forget the flag, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got, look at them. Just, go, look at the jacket. Hey, but that jacket, well, I don't know me you got that from, well. I don't know that jacket 27 years old. That's nice. That jacket is 27 years old.

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. That thing, when I did, that's the first thing I saw, I saw the video when you got out of the truck, I'm like, well, what's that it on top on? Yeah, that's a name. You know, Jeff Hamilton. Actually, he's going to make us some nightcap jackets.

For real? Oh, man. Hey, that's, I need a law. Hey, you know, when we go to Santa Clara now, you know it's going to be cold up there all week. He won't be able to turn it around that quick. It's like a two-month, yeah, because these days are handmade. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Hey, let me see my, I didn't see, I was talking to all you. I didn't see the flag plant. Run it back. Yeah, run that thing back, run that thing back. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, you got a high.

Little flag playing. Okay, I see you. I see you. You should have had me out there on the field. Let me play that thing. No, what you should have done is you should have wrote the horse out the goddamn tunnel. I told you, man. Hey, you got to make a statement, man.

When you get an opportunity to go back to the stadium, you don't go too often. You got to come in there with some style. I made a statement one time when I skydived in the statement. That was the last statement I was making it in a mile high. Other than that, I'm getting my ass out of vehicle. Hold on. You skydived? I skydived in a mile high.

What's that? 2009. Well, boy, you do a dead double. Okay? I mean, you know, every the day I used to do something. Hey, so that means you won't have no problem getting on the back of one of them boas with your boy, huh? Not with these hips.

Oh, no. Man, I, I, you weren't, oh, I, you weren't here, Ocho. Man, my knees, still. He'll hear from bowling. I almost pulled my glute. That's why I started throwing the ball like that because I couldn't get into the slide. Man, my glute, man, don't laugh at you.

Man, my glute on fire, man. Hold on, speaking of you, you told the chat, how I whipped you in mind? No, I didn't tell nobody. We hold it up on that. But you know who bragging, though. I just want you to know who bragging. Oh, yeah.

Hey, he's talking. He's talking. Damn, man. Okay, okay. See? Okay. I got something. Oh, oh, yeah, I got some.

Oh, I definitely got to get Joe. He already know it. Oh, Joe, Joe, Brazil. Hey, Unk, man, listen. I don't know how to explain it. Hey, chat, I don't, I don't, Unk, you don't really watch soccer like that. But I had the opportunity, man.

I had the opportunity to meet Brazilian Rinaldo, who is arguably the group. greatest complete Renado or Ronaldino? No, Ronaldo. You know what I mean? I know Ronaldinho like this. We were cool, but I never had the opportunity to meet Ronaldo. The Brazilian Ronaldo

won the World Cup. 2004? Oh. I forgot. I think it was 2004. I felt like a little kid. I felt like a little kid. I don't think, I don't, I, it's hard to explain meeting someone of that.

that you have been a fan up for years and you always watch videos, you watch highlights, you was able to see him when you were in high school, watching play, knowing how great he was and finally being able to be right there up close in person and person with him and talk and he, his English was okay. And it was like, I'm not calling him a God. I'm not calling him a God. It's like, like, like to see him walking to that stadium and see all the, The Brazilian fan thought they went crazy.

They went crazy. And people in the chat, unless you understand soccer, it would be hard for you to understand that feeling I had. And then I met Namar as well. You know your first time meeting Namar? My first time meeting Namar. First, I had met everybody else, and it's my first time meeting Namar.

And to meet both of them at the same time within a 10-minute span. I tweeted, I know it it felt like to get drafted, of Bengals. I know what it felt like to get that phone call. And today, the butterflies, the nervousness of meetings, players of that magnitude, it almost trumps that feeling of drafting, getting that phone call from Mike Brown, like Dow. Like, I'm Tobit, unbelievable. I don't know who is someone that you enjoy watching them in their respective craft. And if you ever had the opportunity to meet them is like, wow, I can't believe it. Oh, I told you, the only man I ever fought, like he would levitate with Michael Jordan.

Everybody tell the same story. You know that, you know that feeling? You know that feeling when you met Mike? Bingo. Same thing. Same thing. And to meet two of two legends at the same time, I doubt. It was unbelievable.

And you know, it's funny, I had on this jersey, the jersey I have on right now, Grimio is a team here in Brazil where Ronald Dino played, when he was younger. And they made me take the jersey off at the stadium I was at. Because the stadium I was at is where Palmaris plays, and it was the rival. So it was somewhat of a disrespect in a sense. It made me take my jersey off and had to put something else on.

But outside of that, people here in Brazil, dog, pure class, showed love. It was awesome. I played here in the Kings League, a little 77 league. It was awesome. I can't say anything now, but I was able to sit down with some good folks. And for those there in the chat that enjoy the game of soccer, I have some very special for y'all coming up for World Cup that you're going to love. If you love the beautiful game, you're going to like it.

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