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So it's things like that go and notice, but we noticed it even though you don't think we do. So we want to say thank you, thank you again. Thank you. Oh, Joe, the Seahawks extended JSN, exercise, his fifth-year option on Friday. JSCN received a four-year deal with 168.6 mil. That makes him the highest paid wire receiver on average,

42.15 million per year. The 24-year-old is now under contract through the 2031 season. JSA is coming off a breakout season. If you look at his numbers, last year he has 1793 yards on 119 receptions. A year before that, 1130 on 100 catches. And then his rookie year, he had 63 catches for 628 yards. As you can see, he's continuously to grow.

And as the head coach said, this is a contract that reflects a generation of foundational piece. We knew this was coming. We knew he was going to reset the market. We believe Puka. We'll see how his situation works out. But we believe that they were going to reset the market. And there's no way you can just continue to say, well, man, Chase, Chase, but Chase signed that deer a year ago.

Yes. They're advancing the ball. Hey, we're picking the first downs. We're not selling for no yard game. We're moving. We're moving to sticks, Ocho. What do you think, JSCN about this contract for JSCN? Listen, Unk, being 24 years old and seeing the improvement from his rookie year, obviously not being able to get the catches and numbers that he wanted because he had other receivers that were taking some of those catches and production away from him.

This is exactly what you get with a player of his caliber. This is what I expected. This is what we talked about on the show. Understand that he was going to reset the market at some point. He's a special player. He can play out the back field. You can play on the outside. You can play on the inside.

They move around and use him in a multitude. to the ways where he's always going to be successful no matter what you want to do. And defensively, he's a nightmare to deal with because he can play so many different positions on the field, rightfully so. He's being paid as one of the best in the league, if not the best. I love the fact that team reward their players. There ain't no joshing around. There ain't no prove it.

I proved it. You've seen each single year that I've gotten better. And I'm not paying you on what you've done. A hundred catches. As a 24-year-old, he had 119 catches. So you see each year he's getting better and better and better. I don't see any slack off. I just love when teams reward their guys.

Yes. He's been nothing but a model citizen from what we know. He seems like a team guy. He wants to do what is in the best interest of the team also, but I want to be fairly compensated. I don't like this, I don't like this jogging around and we got other things to take care of and we like to see and prove it and X, Y, and Z.

I don't like that. That's just me. I mean, some people like, well, hey, make him prove it again. Like the George Pickett and the man to show you what he can do. Either you believe in me or you don't. You don't. If you don't, let me walk. And if you do, compensate me for what I'm doing and what you believe.

The question is, excuse me, what do you believe JSM will do moving forward in 27 and 28? Do you believe he's going to get better or do you believe he'll regress? If you believe he'll regress, you don't do this. deal you make him play it out because you picked up his fifth option. If you believe he's going to get better, you reward him for what he's done. Yeah. And most of the time when it comes to players that they, players that are somewhat of a headache, players that somewhat have off-field issues, players that are somewhat of a headache,

even on the field. And that's when they play that game. We want you to prove it again. Sometimes they want to force better than themselves. We don't think you can do it again and we don't think you're worth what we should pay you what the market says you should owe so we want to see you do it again hell they did it what they did it with chase huh they yeah they they forced him the better on himself when they didn't pay him they could they could they got got him early and what happens he goes out there and has a

historic season now you have no choice but the back up the brink truck for him well you got to pay him an extra 30 million where you probably could have had him somewhere in the neighborhood 36 37 million yeah you got to pay him an extra three million per year over the course of five years so an extra $15 million you could have saved yourself. And probably, I mean, look, and not now, but probably when Chase was going through this man, y'all going to do this, make me play on this four, make me play this four years after y'all told me y'all was going to do this. There were probably a little animosity, a little resentment.

But once you got the deal done, it all goes away. I'd knock on wood and very thankfully that Chase was able to get through the season, having that historic season, a triple crown. Yes. And now they don't have any choice. Now you add his mercy. You had his mercy. Whatever he decides the check should be for,

you don't have no choice but to write it. Right. And the funny thing that ownership, GMs that they bank on is they big on you loving football. When you love the game too much, yeah, I mean, listen, we love it, but you got to be able to separate the business side of it and understanding what your true value is.

Because if they know you love the game, they know, you know what, we can play games with him because we know he want to be here. We know he's going to show up. So at some point you got to put, you got to put the nails in the cross, and you got to stand your ground to get what you deserve. Because the business side of things, it's rough, and it's an ugly game that they do play. But see the difference is, Ocho? It's not like we can go play baseball.

Dion had baseball to fall back on. Bo had baseball to fall back on. Football players, what do we got? It's not like we're just getting into it. It's not like we in year 10. We've accumulated these big contracts. We could have been best if somebody come to us. Hey, check this out, Ocho.

I got this Uber deal. Don't nobody really know, but they ain't even made this thing public. Let me get $2.50 off you. And I'm telling you, it's going to quadruple. It's going to $20 extra money. We don't get that. You see, owners, they got other businesses other than football.

A lot of them. Yes. So, exactly. So, yeah, football is maybe their biggest business. But they got a couple of other businesses that's probably bringing in 10, 15, 20, 30 million dollars a year. We don't have that. If we don't get that football money, what we got on top. No, I mean, listen, you might have small pride, but you ain't got nothing that can create generational.

Like that signing bonus and that four or five years you get from all the ship. Exactly. So I was glad I like to see. I like when teams do this. I like when they take care of their young players. I like when they say, you know what? We believe in you. We don't believe in what you.

Yes. We see what you've done. But we believe you're going to replicate that. We don't believe that there's going to be a drop-up in your play or production. They kept things in place. Look, Sam Donald, Sam Darnas there. You got, you go and you re-signed Rashid. Obviously, there's like, you know what?

Yeah. Kenneth Walker, we love to have you, but not at that number. Because we believe Sharbonneau, excuse me, Charbonnet and somebody else can feel that role. And, you know, running backs, unless you're elite of the elite, they don't value you like that. Unless you are Derek Henry or Sequin or Jamir Gibbs, they don't value. And, you know, they just decided to value James Cook. Jonathan Taylor is another guy.

But for the most part, they don't really value running backs. Because we feel we can get somebody out of college or we can get somebody a fifth or sixth or sixth round draft pick to give us, okay, so he gives us 100 yards or 200 yards less than a season than what. you give it, but we only pay it in three to four million versus 13, 14, 15 million. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, especially when it comes to the running back position, you have to be exponentially better than everybody else. You have to be a difference maker on that field. And you have to do, you have to be able to do more than one, more to just, you know,

play running back out of the back field. Dear Henry is probably the last one. Probably going to be like that. Everyone else has to be versatile and be able to use in a multitude of ways like a James cook, like a Christian McCaffrey. like a Jamir Gibbs. I mean, those are special. Yes, Sequin, those are generational talents that don't come around often.

So, JSN gets rewarded for his early start to his great career. He's already over, you know, 3,500 yards. 3,500 yards in three years. I mean, you look at where yards per game went from 37 to 67 to 9, he's 106. four touchdowns, six touchdowns, 10 touchdowns. And he went from 93 targets to 137 targets to 163 targets. So, boy, congratulations, young man on a great start to a career. Congratulations on money earned.

You know, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you earned. And I believe he's earned a reporter as JSN today. You were offensive player of the year. You won the Super Bowl right now, the highest paid receiver. What's next for you? JSC in response, the only thing better than one Super Bowl is two Super Bowes. Can you imagine, can you imagine them going back to the back as difficult as it is?

Can you imagine going back? Listen, the defense is still intact. Yeah. That is one or two players out of that three spot. They're at the DB position. But Witherspoon, phenomenal talent, everyone else is still intact. for them. I mean, offensively, you have everybody coming back. You got Rashis. He locked up, locked up again for another year. I think they have a good chance to repeat themselves and going

back again. What you think? Yeah, I think they got a good chance. It's just so hard. That's why, I mean, you don't see it very often. I mean, you've got to be really, really, really special because you have to dodge other teams raiding your home for your best players and you got to dodge the injury bug. That's what that's what that. A lot of times that's what happens, oh, yeah, you're going to lose some players. You're going to lose some key players. Right. But that injury bug to a key player, and we hopefully that does not happen.

You know, the quarterback is the most important player. You can ill afford to lose him for an extended period of time. Now, in 98, we lost John for four weeks due to a hamstring injury. Bubby came in who was a veteran quarterback and did a great job of keeping the Ferrari. And I told Bubbin, when he got, I said, look here, bro, just keeping him first. You don't need to see how fast to run. If we get it in the second, third, fourth, the fifth. Hey, we don't need to worry about that.

Just keep it in first gear and don't crash it. You got a nice talent around you. Bobby Brister? Bobby Bristler? Yeah, you're with me at 98. Oh, Bubby. Bubby was with me at 98. But I like his response.

You know, hey, we got that. I'm sure Jason's of Beverly Hills are currently working on the rings as we speak. Yes. That's done. Super Bowl 60, we got that. Yeah. Now, let's try to work towards 61. Everything that I do in the offseason moving forward is about getting the 61.

It's about letting this organization know and the fans know. Right. This is why they gave me this money. That last year wasn't no fluke. Oh, y'all thought that was a fluke. Now, I might not get 17, 1,800 yards because there haven't been a whole lot of those in NFL history. History, yeah. But I'm a legit 14, 1,500-yard receiver regardless.

Every, every time. Every year. Especially with the game, the way the game is now, as much as they throw the ball now, as much as they've handicapped defensive, not being able to play the way they used to play during your area, during my era. I mean, they throw the ball as such a high volume now. The numbers are almost staggering, where it's almost unfair to compare, you know, the receivers in today's game to the receivers.

in your day or my day. Can you imagine catching 100 balls? Can you imagine catching 120, 130, 144? Like that's the... You know how many targets? You got to get the Ocho. In order for you to think about how many... I mean, Ocho, he got 163 targets.

Caught 119 them, so he's catching a bulk of those. Do you know to get 125, 130, 140 catches? Do you know how many targets? You're approaching 200 targets. Damn. You're approaching... That's over, that's 12, 12 targets a game. That's crazy.

Oh, that's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, hell, I went, I mean, sometimes you might get, you know, if it was a really good game, Mocho, you know, you might get 10, 12. But you ain't get no damn, no 17, 23 damn targets in no damn game. Ah, man. Those were carriers. If you saw 17, it was next to a running back. A running back.

17 carries. 23 carries. This damn show wasn't to no wire receiver. Catching, no, catch you know, having no 23 targets. It's a different, it's a different time now. I understand that. I am not, listen, because, oh, I'm old enough

and wise enough to understand. There were guys in the 50, 60s, and 70, and every generation, every decade, the players make more. You understand that. And guys paved the way for this transition to happen. So don't be, there's nothing to be envious about because you made more money.

If you were in the 80s, you weigh, made way more money than the guys in the 70s and 90s made more guys than the guys in the 80s and the 2000s and so forth and so on. That's just the way it is. That's just the way it is right now. And I feel, you know, that's how it is in sports.

I hate for the common folks because as the price of things have gone up, pay hasn't matched that. Yeah, all of a sudden you could buy a house for $30,000. Right. This damn show hadn't caught up with that. not because now the average house probably costs you for 500,000 easily and people making 50,000 dollars you know you suppose I guess that the house

shouldn't cost more than double your yearly income right a whole bunch of the damn people out there making 100,000 1503 200,000 dollars a year well hey the way people move especially on social media you would think everybody rich you would think everybody's fair sport you think everybody with a millionaire Yeah. Yeah. They live in pillow and eating ketchup with a knit needle. They got five of them in their home girls in an apartment trying to be big Willie style,

looking for somebody to come along and that night and shining armor to come along and take them and sweep them up off their feet. Oh, they beat. Yeah. Yeah. And ain't, like I said, I mean, sometimes I be looking at this. I don't got the way now. I don't even, I just, I just scroll right past it. Because everybody, everybody got burking bags and everybody got APs and Rolexes and they're driving this kind of car.

And they got, they got a Bentley and they got a G-wagon. And I'm like, I be a damn. Yeah. Who you, Serena Williams? You Serena Williams. I get it. Right, right, right. If I, Chad, help me understand.

Chad, I don't know if y'all saw this, but I saw, I think I saw this school teacher. And she said she brings home $7,500 a month. but with complaining she can barely make ends meet. Ocho, she got a G-wagon. Wow. Wow. You're a damn no. Need a school, need a G-wagon.

Chad, I know. A school teacher? I know they know, huh? On a school salary? Yes. Oh, man. May, hey, she must got some damn good credit, huh? That's his name, Credit Johnson.

Somebody must be paid. Hey, how much is a G-Wagon? I'm not familiar with those. Probably, probably about 200, 220? 200? Yeah. Oh, man. Oh, my goodness.

A salary teacher, teacher salary, what, 35, 50,000 a year? I don't know. I don't know where she teach at. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a big salary for a high school teacher. But that's not a big salary for a college teacher. So I don't know. So, Chad, I don't know. I don't know.

I, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if y'all saw that, but, but they asked, Ocho, you got your seatbelt on? My seatbelt? Yeah. Oh, my bad, hold on. Hey, well, you know, my seatbelt wasn't on. I was in, I was stuck in traffic the past 55 minutes.

What now they got to do with your seatbelt being on? That's where you should be or have your seatbelt on. I was going two miles an hour for 50 minutes. A G-wagon starts, a G-wagon 500 starts at 153-9, so $154,000. Oh, hell not. And the AMG 63 starts at 195.5. So you're probably looking at, I mean, for the 550,

you're probably looking at up out the door with taxes, probably 180. And for the G series, you're probably, you well over 200. And so you're probably, I mean, the monthly payment on that thing, Ocho probably probably 30, probably about $3,000, $3,000 a month. What? Yes.

Well, hold on. Hold on. If she has good credit, wouldn't her payment be much less because the credit is good? Okay. Even if your credit good, don't you still, so that means you have a lower interest rate. Right. She probably not going to put anything down. So you still $180,000.

So what she get it for? Three years, she get it for, you know, 36 months. She got it for 48 months. She got it for 60 months. Now I hear they tell you they'll let you go to 72 months. I mean, it's got to be with no money down on $180,000, $190,000 car, oh, Joe? You got, ain't no way in hell you play it less than $3,000.

I'm saying your monthly payments might be four. And you bringing in $7,700? She's bringing in $7,500 a month? $7,500 a month. Unless she's sleeping in that, mofo. And I don't know, Chad, I ain't got no G-Wagon, so I don't know if, you know, they got, they got refrigerators and hot plates in there that you can cook off of, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Nah, it doesn't.

And, you know, when you think about it, especially on a teacher salary, you're not sure what type of other out-francum she has coming in, and especially in today's and today's world of content creators, social media influencers, they have so many different ways to make money. Yes. So it's kind of hard to say, okay, maybe some, you know, the upper echelon of those that are content creators or influences, maybe they do make the money to be able to sustain that type of lifestyle. But, I mean, I is going to talk about content creators, Ocho. It's kind of like professional athletes.

Everybody ain't making $60 million a year in basketball. Everybody in football ain't making a JSM salary. So even the content creators that's making, that's making 10, 15, 20, whatever they're making a year, a lot of them making $500 a month. Damn. Yeah. So this notion that everybody, oh, I'm a content creator,

everybody is not a Kassanat. Everybody is not a Jake Paul. Everybody is not a speed. Everybody is not one of those type of content creators. So just because you throw that out, that doesn't mean necessarily that money comes along with it. Yes, yes. Because everybody is an influencer.

everybody is a content creator now. So I don't know. Yep. Okay. So like I said, I don't know. Like I said, I just, I don't believe a whole lot. All right. I'm Luke Wilson.

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Break down that for me, my friend. I do think UCLA has a really good chance of getting back to the final four. Obviously, Yukon is the overwhelming favorite in this tournament, but I'll be honest, I think people are kind of sleeping on Texas.

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get your podcast. There is our very special guest joining us tonight. He's a seven-time NBA All-Star, a seven-time All-N-Ba, excuse me, he's a seven-time All-N-Bay selection, a seven-time NBA All-Star, a two-time scoring champ, straight out of high school.

Here he is. T-Mack, Tracy McGrady. T-Bank, what to do, bro? What's up, Doc? We're good, we good, bro. How are you feeling tonight? Man, I'm blessed, brother. All good.

Thank you for doing this. Good time. Go ahead, Joe. You want to say, Tom. Matt, what's good, boy? Florida boy. Good? My dog.

What's up, boy? Man, I'm chill. I'm chill. I ain't see you on the court in a minute, man. You still won't smoke again? Ocho, come on, bro. That's how we starting off this tonight. I'm just asking.

I'm glad you said that old show. Let me clear some things up for people out there, right? We played in a celebrity game many, many moons ago. And this is my dude. This is my Florida brother. We was out there playing, roughing each other up. And folks thought we were actually fighting online. I would never fight this man.

This is my dude. So to clear that up, that was not. me and Ocho fighting in a celebrity basketball game. That was something else going on me and my dude was just acting like Florida boys out on the basketball court. That's what we were doing. So I wanted to clear that up, man, because I never

get a chance to talk to you about that. And I know there's a lot of stuff floating out about us fighting. Nah, but what they're talking about, he's been telling us he dropped like 14, 16 on you and you kind of got upset with him about that. I said, did you drink? I said, did you drink? I said did you drop all 14, 16 points on T-B?

He's like, yeah. Would juice that nigga drunk that night? Oh, me? Hell, no. All right, T-Bank, let's get to some basketball. Look, the MVP. I think we got, we got Luca, we got Wemby, we got Yokic, you got SGA, you got Jalen, you got Jalen Brown, and I think you got Cade Cunningham.

I think Cade is going to miss the cutoff because he's going to miss too many. games. So just for the sake of this argument, let's sit him to the side. But I believe it's out of those five, Luca, Yolkich, SGA, Jalen Brown, and Wembe. I don't know if you have a vote, you may or may not, but if you had to, if you had to vote right now, there's still about 12, 14 games left in the season. But if you had to vote right now, Timak, where are you leaning? So obviously, I think all five of these guys can win MVP because they're all. all having phenomenal season. But how I see the MVP and view the MVP,

who's most valuable to their team? And out of those five, when I look at the rosters, it's Jalen Brown. No question, right? It's no question. SGA is playing with another all-star and playing with a cast that he played with last year. Yes, sir.

But J-Dub has been out in and out of the lineup. He's just coming back. And then when I look at Yolkis, now, Yokic, before he got hurt, I don't care what anybody was doing. He was my clear-cut MVP. The numbers he was putting up was just astronomical. And then when you look at, when you look at, bro, I'm just going to say this.

When you look at Wemby, if Wemby doesn't win it this year, good luck to all the other players for the next six or seven years. Because defensively, like his, floor is better than all of those guys ceiling. And we've never seen anybody on the defensive been have that type of impact. And I say the dude is like Dion Sanders, bro, on the basketball court, being able to shut an entire side down. And then Luca, you know, for me, you got to play both sides of the ball. I think he's done a lot better this year defensively.

But in this stretch that we've seen him on, he's been phenomenal scoring with the best of it. I mean, the dude is just a phenomenal offensive player. But again, he's playing with LeBron James. And they didn't really, the team, the team-wise, I think there was a little up and down, really wasn't playing great basketball. Jaylon Brown, and his boss itself, has been playing great basketball from the jump.

And you look at his roster, JT has been out, right, up until a few weeks ago, him coming back. But you look at their roster, It's like no way you guys should be in the second seat in the Eastern Conference. So most valuable player at this point to be still as Jalen Brown. When you look at this and you see what the OKC Thunder, what they've been able to do, even when SGA was out, they were still finding ways to win. And that's the mark of a good team.

When you can be without your best player and you still win, you can be without your second best player. And guys come in and contribute. and you can still win. That shows you the depth of a given team. Yeah. So now if I said, okay, team, Matt, some money that means something to you. And if it's your money you putting up,

it means something to you. Who you think is in the finals? Because I go back and forth because a part of me wants to say San Antonio, a part of me wants to say, uh, uh, uh, the, okay, see. Okay, see.

And then I look at the east. Yeah. I still think Boston healthy. I don't think anybody, if Boston and Detroit. But Cade has to play great in order for them to win. J.T. can have an off game and J.B. carry him. J.B. can have an off game and J.T. can carry him.

And then you got that little guy Peyton Pritchett. He comes out to bitch. And before you know, he doesn't hit you over your head with 22 points team back. No, you're absolutely right, man. You know, some of these guys, when they miss games, their team don't fall off. They still win ball games. You know, Detroit had a good one tonight, but they lost against the Hawks, but they still playing good basketball without Kay Cunningham.

Jalen Dern is stepping up with in the absence of him. And actually, the little point guard, Dennis Jenkins, is playing great basketball for them too. So for Detroit, this is, I want to see this, because I wanted to see how they function without the head of the snake in Kay Cunningham. And they answer my question. these guys are still a legit team without him and I see how they can play when Kate gets in foul trouble or he's off the court for whatever reason they still play good basketball and with Jalen Brown there man I just don't see nobody in the eastern conference

has balanced and solid all around like them New York Knicks they have everything but you just don't know it's been some inconsistent basketball with them so I'm going Boston And it pains me to say this because I love the Denver Nuckets. Yokic is my favorite player. Them being healthy, they are, man. Because Peyton Watson is coming back at some point in time

because you look at the way they were playing with Peyton Watson and you got Jamar, play out because you know Jamar Murray. He and Yolkish in the picket roll is the most stoppable tandem. So I'm going to say this. Before I had, When they were fully healthy, I just thought September was that team. But because it's been, you know, Aaron Gore had been out of the lineup,

I mean, Pey Watson been out of the lineup, Chris Brown's been out of the lineup. Like, so many of these guys, Cam Johnson, they're core guys that's made so much time. I've got to go, I've got to go at Boston and O KC in the finals, dog. Wow. No San Antonio. You don't think San Antonio is quite old enough yet? Because I love Wimby, Stephan Castle, Vassel.

I mean, they got, Harrison Barnes comes off the bench. Keldon Johnson. I love Keldon Johnson. He's a bucket. I don't care. It don't matter. He's getting into the game.

He's going to get 20 team, man. No, that boy will be playing, man. Whether he's knocking down the three against the cup. I love their team. I just think this is the year where they're going to have that growing pain of failing to reach the finals. And then next the next few years, my God. Watch out. It's going to be crazy.

My gosh. Yeah. Hey, Mac, I want to switch gears real quick. Obviously, you with great knowledge of the game and everyone has their own criteria. Hold on, bro. Where in the air, you're at, bro? I'm in the car. I was stuck in a rush hour traffic.

You ain't no goddamn rush hour traffic, bro. This is how you do me, bro? You're supposed to be my boy. You're supposed to be in the studio or at the crib. You in the car, my... No, I swear to God, Timak, I was in a standstill traffic. like 45 minutes. All right.

Follow yourself, bro. I'm at the house now, but real quick, everyone has their own criteria. There's always dialogue. There's always endless conversations. Barbershop talk, basketball talk when it comes to who the best is to ever play this game.

So based on your knowledge and having to face these individuals, in your mind, who is the greatest basketball player of all time when it comes to the debate about Michael Jordan and LeBron James? Who is the go to the game? You only threw two of them in there?

He threw two guys in that. I think Team Matt got cold in that, in that discussion. You only got two guys in there? Talk to me nice, man. Talk to me nice. And let me know, let me know who you feel the best is ever. We talk about the goat now. So there's another goat you want to add to the conversation.

So for me, it's MJ all day. I grew up watching Mike and I just haven't seen and it's not even about the numbers and the championships it's what I'm watching right with my eyes what I see on the basketball court yeah that other stuff else but it's all about the eye test and what this man did you know night in and night out defensively clutch whatever you needed and not that's not to say

LeBron can't beat a goat but for me it's my goal it's MJ. And I think how you have to do it, you got to go about errors man, because, you know, it's... Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's different style of basketball. It's different players. Like, MJ ain't see no Kobe. MJ ain't seen no TMAC.

MJ ain't seen no Vince. You know, like, and I'm trying to disrespect those wing players, but let's be honest. The 2000 wings, bro. They wasn't in... Right, right. They were deeper. And the game changed. So, and then in LeBron's

error. He ran that, right? Putting up crazy sex, the MVP's, but he has some competition. That was Kobe Bryant. And then later on his career, he got to ask Steph Curry in there. Right. So it's so it's errors for me, man. All these guys are goats because they all was freaking great, bro. Yeah, I think the thing is that I don't know how you felt when you first saw Michael Jordan, but I always tell the story. He doesn't seem real team. I mean, when I first laid eyes on this man, I was in the Super Bowl. This man was levitating, and I'm looking at him,

and he probably thinking, man, Sterling Sharp little brother, something wrong with him. Because he didn't, he don't need. Team Mac, am I lying? Does he seem real? So I'm going to tell you this story. And I'm glad you said that. And people really don't understand.

That aura is a real thing, bro. For real. His or is like none other. So I was 17 years. I was 17 years old, and this is when I announced that I was going to go to the NBA. Chicago was playing at Atlanta Hoss. I go to the game, watch the MJ and Pip and the Bulls do their thing that night. I go in the back after the game, and I'm waiting for these guys.

I'm waiting by the Chicago Bulls locker room because we got some passes. in my, you know, the team that I was with had the connections. Shray. M.J. Well, Rodman walked out. All right. Cool. That's it and Robin right there.

Pip walks out. All right. Bro. MJ walks out of that locker room, I do. Nah. Nah. It's like he was glowing, bro. He had, like, this aura around him.

That was. I'm telling you. People don't believe it. this is 17-year-old me watching this guy because this is right NBC this is the golden era of basketball that's how I got to watch him right it to see him on on TV

and what he was doing back in the late 80s early 90s for me when I started watching and to actually see this brother in person nah he didn't seem real he still don't he still I get the same I get the same feeling

when I see that man in person that I got the very first time that I saw his ass in person. This joke will levitating. I don't care when nobody said. This man was levitating. He was not walking. He was levitating. And I've seen a lot, a lot of famous people in the world in my time.

But don't nobody has the aura like Michael Jordan. Now, maybe Michael Jackson, but I never saw Michael Jackson in person. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen Prince in person. I've seen a lot of celebs in person.

I've never seen anything like what this man. the glow and the power, the energy, the force that is around him, man. People, you got to be in his presence to understand what T-MAT. But if you think about it, Chad, everybody that's ever been around him, he said the same thing.

From Shaq to Kevin Garnett to everybody said the exact same thing. He doesn't. Alan Iris said, the man, he don't even seem real. No, he don't, man. And I was actually just with him at the Riders' Cup. And it's hard not to just stare at Mike, bro. That's Mike, bro.

I'm glad I ain't the only one. I'm glad that's Mike right there, fool. But, nah, for me, when I first saw him and then my first couple of times playing against him, like I still had that feeling, but it's like I've been around Mike so many times. I still, you know, I have high regards. The auras kind of wore off a little bit.

It's still there and that's still Mike. But man, when I was 17 years, I ain't never seen anything like it, bro. It's amazing. Like I said, I've been around a lot of famous people, a lot, a lot of famous people. But ain't nothing, ain't nothing like this dude right here, man. Nah, no, and when he came back to the Wizards, because I was 17 years, I mean, 18 years old, you know, I played against him when they won 72 and 10. That was my rookie year.

Okay. And I played against him his last year before he retired. And, you know, that 18-old me was trying to figure out, you know, who I was as an NBA player and trying to learn the game. So I didn't really, you know, have that type of game or that force that I wanted. But when I saw it, when his ass came back, when he was with the Wizards, ah, ah. Hey, you might be wounded, but I'm going to give you this work.

I got to give you this work. I like what you did to my mind when I was 17 years old, making me seem like you ain't real. Hey, because that was Kobe's mindset. You remember Kobe dropped 55 over the last time he played it. And people were like, well, Kobe, why would you do that? He said that's what he would want me to do. He would have it no other way.

Because I guarantee you, if the roles were reversed. Oh, yeah, he would have did the same thing. Would it do the same thing. That's why before he left that, before I had to get at least 40 on the bro. Before he stopped playing, I had to see that. drop 40 and I don't care if the Wizards Mike because the Wizards Mike were still averaging 24 points, 25 points

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available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. You know what I wanted to ask you, Mac, have a guy that played the game at an elite level. There was a lot of conversation going back and forth when Bam got 83. Bam got 83. Look how he got to 83.

The game was out of reach. Timak, can you? just tell the people how hard it is to score 40 50 50 60 because I think you've got a career high like 60 62 so now go to 70 go to 80 I don't give a damn high he did it I don't care if he cherry pig snowbird whatever you guys call it where the guy just started at half court and getting layups on the other end I don't give it that what you call it 83 is 83 talk to the people from somebody that played the game at an elite high high level explain to the people even though the the Washington Wizards are trash and it says more about them than it does

us, bam. Explain to people 83 down points. Yeah, the league has been around, you know, 70-some years. 1947. How many people scored that? Three. Three. That's all I ask. It's only three, regardless of how he did it and how you view him as he, when he did it.

It's 83 points that we haven't seen that. Only one time, and that was being. So, yeah, do, do. I think it could have been a little bit more competitive on Washington side. Of course, but they make millions of dollars as well. They got a job to do. And if you had an opportunity to make history, who's not going to do that? So 30 years from now when, you know, kids are coming up, these babies right now,

and they come up and they're looking at the scoring list like, bam, what? He scored 83 points. They're not going to care how he scored it. They just know, man, that man is on a whole top. I'm sorely. So I don't care how he's for it, man. You know, it's a lot of people out there that's hating on the man

because he overtook. And Kobe never had the record. I don't know what they talk about it. Kobe had the record now. The record is 100. Now, we haven't seen it. I haven't seen any video, but the record is 100. But you know what I fake T-Mat?

I think because Kobe got 81 and then, see, I think it was Bam is because he's the most unlikelyest guy to get 83. Had Kobe got 83 Had you got 80, it got 80 plus Had one of these guys that we look at it scores Kevin Durant, James Hard, Alan Iverson If we look, if one of you guys get it,

I don't think anybody's bat in the eye But you're talking about bam, that's a career Is what, 20 point a night score? And all of a sudden he jumped from 20 All the way up to get 83. We don't normally see guys go like that. Even you look at Donovan Mitchell, Donald Mitchell, when he got 70,

you look at him, he got 70. Those guys are scores. So it's not anything So if they were to got Because we saw them get Luca got 73 I think against Against the Hawks I think Donald Mitchell got 70 something

If they get 80 We're not even bad in the eye But Bam got it And we don't look at Bam As one of those guys A score She's an NBA player Man, man got hot

He had a phenomenal night In the story Like he scored 83 man Let that shit go bro Like All right man He's an NBA player But I've seen guys

I've seen guys Average in the story then, you know, 17 points in this league get 50. So what do you got to say about that? Ocho, I think Ocho trying, you muted, Ocho. Can you hear me now? Yeah, hey, Mac, I got a question. Listen, normally pushback for an 83-point game that BAM scored,

you hear from analysts, you hear from pundits, you hear from fans that have just, just fans of the game in general, that enjoy watching basketball. But when you hear pushback from actual players that played the game, you know, and they complain also about BAM scoring 83, why do you think that is, especially from those who have played the game at the highest level, why would they have a problem with it?

It's because of how it happened. And rightfully so, like, it was a nasty game. It was a nasty game of what they was doing. That's what they're speaking on. There's no disrespect to BAM. It's just how it happened. You know what I mean? Like the Washington Wizards and fouling and then Miami's filing to try to get the ball back.

Yeah. It was all that stuff right there is what they was pissed off about. I don't know. Did you see Shump's comment? I did not. Iman Shumper said, this is what he said about Bam. Don't bring up 80 no more. Don't bring that up.

That was a regular season game versus a tanking team. You murdered. that team and then you walk off bam you don't need to talk about it we all saw it let us talk about it i'm in a suit i can talk about it don't talk about it no more bam because now it looks weird you're about to make it well i don't like 83 no more i'm dead serious please don't be holding on to that this bam i need you to add to your resume if that i'm talking about it forever as a matter of fact i'm changing my name mr 83 mr 83 that actually that's going to be my social media my social media name on all social media channel.

Mr. 83. Straight up. Like, come on, bro. How do you not talk about that? Man, man. And these people are here crazy, though. That's 83 points in the NBA game. I do against NBA players that's making millions of dollars.

Come on, though. It's his. No, we can't do that. It's history. It's history. How can you not talk about history? You're a part of it. Let me get, I tell you, Ocho,

let's just say for the same. make of argument. Every, all their top corners go out. But you get 300 yards and y'all still throwing the ball. Y'all up 21 points and y'all throw the ball and you catch a 15-yard route to go over 300. You're going to, are you going to say, man, I feel bad for them. They top three corners was out. I did the book.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Right. You're in the NFL. I'm going to talk. You'd be crazy. I might change my last name to 300, too. Shut up.

300. 300. I don't know. It's very rare for us to see this type of performance. Regardless of how it happens, right? Regardless of how it happens. It's supposed to be the best players in the world, right? It's supposed to be the best league in the world, right?

That's all I'm saying. So we're the best players in the best league. The man score 83 points. There's no asterisk. It happened. I think see people like well Kobe didn't mention it well Kobe had a game where he stopped at 62 and left in the third and into the third and then come back in the game Kobe has had these scoring outbursts so we're not surprised I don't think anybody was surprised because just three weeks earlier he had a 62 point game where he outscored in time if I'm not mistake I think it was the Mavericks by himself in three quarters three quarters so we're not surprised when Kobe like kept going and ended up getting that or when Jordan has got these 60 points.

But, but Bam, I don't even know if Bam's career high, if Bam career highs even 40. Do you remember, you remember David Robinson was trying to get a last game of the season? They got him to score in title to beat Shaq. Feeding him every single time, every single trip. But we don't say none about that, right? As a matter of fact, I think it was against the Clippers.

It wasn't against the clippers. They fanned the crap by Dave Roberts. He wasn't going to score that. He had 71. Man, he wasn't scoring that against nobody else but the Clippers. Why? Because they were like to Washington. Okay, okay.

Well, you mean the Washington generals to play the Harlem Gold Trouters. That's what the, that's what the wizards are now. Hey, teammate, gentlemen, you said this week, the board of governors of NBA, they're convening and they're going to vote possibly expansion, one Vegas, one Seattle. You said, you was like, hold on, guys. I'm not so sure there's enough talent on the 30 current NBA teams

for you to dilute it even more adding two more teams because players can only you can only protect a certain number of players and then everybody else is up for discussion with those teams like okay I want this guy want that guy. What went into your thought process why did you say you don't think there's enough

talent that's currently in the NBA for the league to add two more teams? So we just talk about I'm scoring 83 points right? What did you call that team? He scored 83 points home? The Washington General. We want to see, we want two more teams.

And you just said the NBA team, you call these boys the Washington General. They're not the only team like that. You got Utah tanking. You got the Brooklyn X. Yep. You want to watch the Brooklyn X? Nah, bro. I don't.

Why? Why are you all? Why don't want to watch the Brooklyn decks? And they ain't even trying. At least the Wizards are playing their guys, team at. Utah not even, they take their guys out. They're down by two, and they bitch, they started for the whole fourth quarter.

Triple J getting surgery on the wisdom tooth. He out for the rest of the year. Man, that's a blow time. So when you answer the question that you asked me, Sacramento, you two, what are you doing the white Sacramento? No. Donnie, baby. So now you talk about adding two more teams.

Come on, bro. I got a question. I got a question, Mac. Let me follow this up right quick. Team Mac, you're talking about two teams, and each team, they say the winning bid is going to be somewhere between $7 and $10 billion. And the owners, you know, that's probably $500,

that's probably $500, maybe $600 million in each owner's pocket. Hey, hey, I don't want to take no money out of nobody pocket. I know it's about bread. I know it's about bread. Okay. But I'm just saying as a fan of the game, we don't have the product, man. I'm just, I'm sorry.

We just don't have the product. I'm looking. The league is weird. It's strange, man. I can't understand the league. I'm looking at a guy that averaged 30 points last year in the NBA, 29, 30 points on a bad team. But a bucket getter, probably one of the best bucket getters in our league as a young player.

he gets waived from his team. Another bad team picks him up, right? Cam Thomas. Cam Thomas. Another bad team picks him up. He stays there for a few weeks, and they wave him. Also, the brother was averaging 30 in the NBA last season before he got hurt, and he's out of the NBA.

So, come on. Like, I want that type of talent in the NBA. I want some, I want that in the NBA. that in the NBA to where he takes tough shots he'll tough shot maker he can't find out he can't find a home in the NBA now I don't know the other stuff that's going on whether there's his attitude or he's not you know what I'm saying I don't know none of that I don't have any of that information but in terms of a basketball player and what we need in this league what we want to see that kid is one of the best scores you would see in this league hey hey Matt what I'm going to say right

you know, if it make money, it makes sense, especially to the owner to the GMs. The bottom line, it will always be the same and it's always been the same since the beginning of time. It's always about the money. So with these two expansion teams, if Seattle is able to get one, if Vegas is able to get one, how long do you think it would take before they're able to produce the product or get the product necessary for those teams to compete? Or is that not possible because there's not enough basketball players in general? No, I think it is possible because, I mean, there's, you know, I think with some of these kids coming out of college,

it depends on, like, how you construct your roster. There's some vets that probably are, you know, up for a contract and possibly will look at that Las Vegas situation or look at Seattle. It was a phenomenal city, by the way. Vegas, but NBA players. No taxes team, Matt. Yeah, but that's a little tricky.

That's basically. I say, hey, I say, hey, the girls can handle that. The WNBA players can handle that. The NFL players, it's more of a strict league. You know, you guys only got one game. And y'all have a curfew. NBA players got too much downtime, dog. Vegas might be a little tricky.

But. Timak, tell us about the ones league that you found. What is the ones? So that's my one-on-one league, man. You know, I started a one-on-one league back in 2022, and it was my proof-of-concept season. And I started this league because of where I am sitting today is because of a platform that I got on when I was in high school.

And that was the ABCD camp. See, if y'all don't know, I was an unknown high school player up until my senior year. Nobody really knew who I was. I got invited to the Adidas camp, become, you know, the number one player after that Adidas camp. And, you know, the story is I go to the NBA and the rest of history. So it's that platform that really made me who I was and gave me a name. So it's a lot of hoopers.

Ocho, you know, you grew up down in the bottom, man. You grew up some guys that that can hoop like crazy and probably had, you know, a situation where someone in the family died and they had to pivot and step up and, you know, be the parent, the guardian in that situation, or they just couldn't get it right as a teenager and was in some trouble and, you know, ruined their careers or whatever. And there's guys that just really didn't get the opportunity

to live out their dream of playing basketball. Well, there are so many guys, so much talent and one-on-one out here, man, that I feel they should have that platform. You play one-on-one growing up? I did. Ocho, you played one-on-one up? No, we all played. We go ahead, T-Bat.

Hey, T-Bat, you know 21 was one-on-one. Basically. It was one-on-one against 15 other guys. I was just about to say that. Like, I grew up playing one-on-one, and then 21 was our one-on-one as well. So, man, I just think these cats out here really need that platform.

I want to create it for them. But on top of that, you know, it's much bigger than just giving in a platform to make a name for the stuff. in basketball. I also want to do something for brothers that look like us in the ownership department. See, it's not too, it's in your league, it's not too many guys that look like us that have ownership. I was lucky enough, I was lucky enough to have that opportunity to go in with the Buffalo bills with my cousin Vince. So we, you know, we, we got some ownership with that. And it just

really, you know, spark my interest with like, I want to do this for my people and I want to change. I I'm building this league. So I'm building it to have cities. I want cities and have guys like Jadicus, who's from New York. I give him 15% of this team that's based out of New York. John Wall is from Raleigh. I gave him 15% of that Raleigh team. And I have eight cities and eight owners and GMs that I assigned to this team,

gave him equity. I didn't want any money for them. I just handed it to them because they are impactful. in those cities that they grew up. And then when you look at the game of basketball, our game of basketball, NBA, like Steph Curry is not from Oakland or San Francisco. LeBron James is not from L.A.

These guys are homegrown from these cities, and I want that community to get behind them and push these guys and support these guys. So that's why I want to do this, man. And, you know, I'm really excited about giving these guys this platform. Timak, we're going to get you out of here. I don't know. I think can't.

No, man. Y'all cut me off all early. No, well, we'll keep you. We're going to keep you going. Check this out. Pat Bell says, Dame Dollar is not a Hall of Famer. This is what he said.

He said, hell no, I love Dame. It's too many people getting in the Hall of Fame. How are we going to say no to Derek Rhodes getting MVP and say yes to Dame Dollar? If he get a chip for sure. T. Mac, Dame, a nine-time NBA All-Star, 2000, All-Rookie team, 75th anniversary team, seven-time all-MBA selection, 2012, 13, rookie of the year, 20, 23, 24,

MVP, All-Star game MVP. What we're doing here, Tim, Matt. You ain't got to run all that stuff out. I'm disappointed in my brother, Pat. I'm disappointed in my brother, Pat. That man is for sure, Hall of Fame. Are you kidding me? Did he watch it?

You watch it, can't? Like, if that's not a Hall of Fame, I don't know what it is. Yeah, I mean, right. Like, I think we'd be looking at, like, we'd be trying to put too much into what it is. Now, obviously, there are different rooms for the Hall of Fame. Yeah.

Jordan, Kobe Bryant, like LeBron James, Steph Curry. These boys are in a different room. Right. Yes. Right. They're in a different room. But don't discredit, Dave Dollar, because he didn't accomplish this up here, bro.

That man still is one of the greats. He had top 75 player. That's Hall of Fame worthy. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to holl out my boy, Pat, because he trades at my house. Next time he called. So we got to have a conversation about that.

I agree with you. I agree with you, T. Back, go ahead. Uncle, Mac, you know, Pat Beb trying to be, trying to be the villain in a sense. Obviously, Dane Bala meets the criteria for what the Hall of Fame player is. Hell yes.

Man, no question. Bev, Bav tripping, man. Bev just trying to stir up the conversation. He's trying to stir up the conversation. That's where you are. I think the thing is you said something very interesting, T-Matt, and this is what I tell people all the time. I said, I'm in the building of the Hall of Fame.

I'm in there, but they got rooms for Jerry. They got rules for Lawrence Taylor. They got rules for certain guys like that. Aaron Domlin is going to be in one of those rooms. You know, Tom Brady's going to be in one of those rooms. They got rooms. But to say this man in what he's accomplished, doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame?

Yeah, no, that's crazy. I don't know about that. That's crazy. Because you got to understand, man, there are guys that are just put in situations. They're great. players. I'm not anything, but they're put in situations

where's the organization, whether there's a GM, where there's a coach that is all about winning and they get into that organization, that team. And, you know, they become, their greatness is highlighted because of

what's around them, right? Yes. It's highlighted because of what's around them. That, and some of these guys, like, you know, I will look at, give me a player. Like Kevin Garnett, before he went to Boston, right? Before he went to Boston, to me, Kevin Garnett was a freaking Hall of Famer. Yeah.

A Hall of Famer, no doubt. And he didn't have a career where he was, like, going deep into the playoffs and going to the finals. Like, he didn't have that. But you're trying to tell me KG wasn't a Hall of Famer before he got to Boston, man. Get out of here with that, though. Again, it's different rooms.

T-Mack, you know what has happened. Social media has come on and so now everybody has an opinion and we can see everybody's opinion. And I think the thing is this ring culture because what they do now is somebody has, the fifth guy, the 12th guy on the bench can have a ring and they'll say he's better than an all-time break that doesn't. I'm like, bro, do y'all realize what y'all saying?

I say, when y'all take shots at Charles Barkler, when you take a shot at Carl Malone, I understand they don't have. rings, but do you understand how great they were? Just because you don't have a, and rings are sometimes it's a very special situation. You look at a guy like Steph Curry. He goes to Golden State. He has Peter, uh, Peter, uh, uh, Joe Lekum and Peter Grubber's owners.

Bob Myers of the general manager. They got money more money than, then, then God should give 20 people in the lifetime. And they did a great job. They select step. They select, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Clay. get Draymond. Kevin the Red joins them. Sean,

you know, they did a great job. I'm in this argument right now. Where was SGA before he got the OKC? Clippers? Clippers, yeah. People are talking about SGA catching up with Colby right now because he's averaged 30 points,

four straight years. Yep. Got an MVP. Got a finals MVP. They are putting him in the conversation. with Kobe. Brough, he wasn't even thought of or talked about when he was with the clippers.

Had he stayed with the clippers? Are we talking about SGA? No. Right, that's my point. Because he would, because it was going to be, because this is what I tell people. Situations matter. Yes, man.

Because he was not going to have the ball in his hand. That was Kauai's team. So he wasn't going to be able to have the freedom like he has an OKC in the clippers. And sometimes you have to leave situation in order to get your own team in order for you to grow. He was not going to be this. Not with Kauai there.

Because Kauai was the guy. He's coming off a finals MVP. No. So he's a two-time finals MVP. He's a two-time defensive player of the year. And you mean to tell me this first, the second-year guard is going to be the center of attention. After you gave move heaven and earth in order to get him,

it wasn't going to happen. Not at all. Hold on, Matt. And, listen, as great as the SGA is, right? let's say he doesn't have the ball in his hands as great as he is at OKC you mean to tell me even if it was Kauai's team and Kauai had the ball

the most he still wouldn't be able to do what he's doing now? No no no I still think here being an all-star but I don't think we will see he's not putting up 30 like this right and he probably would be an MVP with

playing alongside Kauai no not at all not at all because the ball will be he's a two-time finals MVP, Ocho. And SBA was a young point guard at the time. So that ball was going to be in Kauai's hand. It's the same situation. Team Mac, what about the situation with James Hardin?

James Hardin was not going to become James Hardin in OKC. He had to go to Houston in order for him to flourish because you got Russ and you got Katie. So how was he going to be able to show you, how was he going to be able to show you that, T-Mack? No, no, no, he would have been James Hardin in OKC. Hold on with Russ and TV with Russ and KD. Listen, listen, listen, I would hear this one.

Listen, did you see how he was coming off the bench putting up numbers, right? Yes. It was very young. At some point, he was going to be inserted into that offense or maybe he come off the bench, but he still would have been James Harden. No, ain't no way. Ain't no way, Kay. I'm going to have to disagree.

You believe this man was going to average 36, 9 and 8? No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about the numbers. I'm just saying what he became. Yeah, he would have put up, with those three, all three of them guys probably would have averaged 20 to really make it work. But he would have been. I mean, we got James because James Hard,

we fell in love with James Hardin because what was he doing? All them 30-point games, all those 50 and 60-point games. So what are we going to do with Russ? So if you say James Harder, who needs the ball, what are we going to do with Rusty Matt? At that point, James Hardin wasn't playing the way he's playing when he was with Rockets. It was a different style of basketball.

He was playing with OKC. So how can he do that then? Which may how. Okay, the style of ball that he ended up playing in Houston, how could he play that style with KD and Russ in OKC? Coaching. It's coaching. Coaching. You do not.

I bet those guys regret, well, they won a championship now that, you know, all those guys are gone. But looking back, I bet they wanted to keep those guys together. You talk of James Harden, Russell, Westbrook, and KD. together? Bruh, they would have been a dynasty had they stayed together. They went to the finals, up. I know. But James. But James wasn't even close to what he was in Houston.

He was going to get there. He was going to become. Matt, I'm confused. He was going to become. And I'm not talking to 30 points. I'm just saying he would have been an all star. Which was good enough. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I believe that. But you talk about a guy that's a three or four time scoring champ. We're talking about a guy that got a 60 point triple double, a 50 point triple. The numbers that he's put. up with us because russ because now if you give the rock ball to if you give the ball to james that means you take the ball out of russ hands now russ can russ can't i don't believe russ can play off the ball he needs the ball kevin the rand kevin the rand going to be kevin the rand you get

kevin the rand 14 shots he'll get you 29 points that's okay i'm confused oh but that's that no hold on oh oh joe oh but kevin the rent is the reason why this can work because he does a need the ball. He's a catching shoot type guy. Right? He's the one dribble full up. He doesn't need the ball like that. But these two guys, the way they played, the way Rush pushes the ball, the tempo, and you got James Harding and Katie on it. Oh, come on now. But if you think about it, so let me ask you this. If if he believed so much, he could win a championship in OKC, why would he leave for better ball movement. I guess he and Russ, the relationship between those two. But look at this. Steph Curry, Clayton. Didn't Clay Thompson hit 60 playing alongside, Seth Curry? Yes, but no dribbles.

No dribbles. I think he had, I think he had, I think he had somewhere between 11 and 13 dribbles. Okay, Nigra, I was going to say somewhere between 11 and 13 dribbles. Which one of those guys are catching shoot? Other than Kevin Durant, which one of those guys can catch and shoot? James Hardin was a catching shoot guy. James Harder is a kid. Catch and shoot. Russ is not a catch. James Harder?

Come on. I'm, but see, you, see, you look at, you looking at, I'm looking at James Hardin,

what he was in Houston. You still looking at James Hardin what he was in OKC as a, as a pup. You know once you get that taste of blood. It's like you, T, Matt. T, T, Matt. I give you a prime example.

I look at you your first two years. When you got started averaging 30, ain't no way you're going to be able to play. moving forward like you did the first two years team back but what i'm saying is stop looking at the 35 30 what he asked stop looking at that james hardin was going to be the player that we that was that it was just going to be on a lower scale in that but he was going to be that player that can put up those type of numbers he was going to develop into that that's all but i don't think we look at him like that because if you think about it when he had when

he was at his best. We had a serious discussion team at who's a better score. Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, or James Harden. We're not having this discussion if he's in O KC. I agree to that. I agree to that. But I still think I, now, I agree to that. But what I'm saying is he still with those two guys, we're going to be James Harden and all developing to an all-star. and that's still put up 40 points with them. He still can get a 40. He still could get a 50 with them. No, he's not going to average 35 because he's not going to have those shots.

But I'm saying the player that he was going to develop into with them will be able to do that. Is he an all NBA? Is he an all NBA? In OKC? In OKC, is he an all NBA player? Yeah. Hell yeah. Hell you.

Hey, hey, Matt. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. The way that man can score the ball? Absolutely. Hey, Mac. Go ahead on Joe. Mac, how you say even with James Hart, even though it was a young pup, right, and he would

develop into the same player he is now, maybe not scoring 35, but he would have been just fine with Russ and KD, but you don't feel the same way if FGA stayed to develop with Kauai and still wouldn't be able to do the same thing. What would be the difference? The difference is SVA needs the ball. James Harder don't need the ball. James Harder can catch and shoot.

Now, I'm saying it's opportunities playing with Russ to get the ball and be a playmaker and a score, but what SBA needs the ball and saying you don't see SGA sitting out on the perimeter for the catch and shoot. James Hardin can, at that point in his career, he was a great catching shoot.

You basically saying it's just based off style to play then. Okay, okay, okay. Yes, sir. But see, I look at James, like when he went to, when he went to Brooklyn, he took the ball over because I don't believe he could have played any other way than with the ball in his hand. Now, they didn't play long together, him, Kyrie and Katie didn't play long.

I think Kyrie got hurt and then James ended up getting hurt, and so it really didn't mesh. But I just feel that in order for us to get to James Hard, the guy that's a top 75 player, He's not going to, I don't believe he was going to be a top 75 player in O KC with Russ and KD. I don't know, man. Three guys on one team? They're scoring 150 points nowadays, bro.

But you're the team, man. They're putting up some crazy numbers. That's what I'm saying. And you couldn't be right, DMAT. But it's just hard for me to believe. Seeing the way Russ played and seeing the way James Harden The way we fell in love with James Hardin was when he got to Houston. Because I knew he could score because I saw him have a couple of 30-point game off the bench.

But he burst out to see the first game, 35, then another 35, and then he getting 40, and then he getting 45. And I'm like, I thought he could be good, but I didn't think he could be, I didn't think he could be that. Now, when you have the ball in your hands in the NBA, and there is unlimited shots that you could get and you have the green light, And when you're playing in a Dan Tony system, I wasn't surprised by that because I seen what he was, what he was doing in OKC with those two guys.

So when now you get the ball in your hands and you're in an offensive system, you're playing with an offensive genius mind and Dan Tony. You see what he did for Jeremy Lynn? Lensity, right? Yes. So I wasn't surprised by that. I'm just saying what I seen in James and how the, what I projected,

I saw that he was going to be that type of player. Regardless. I'm glad you said that. Because I saw what Jeremy Lynn did when he got with Dan Tony, and Kobe was there. And Kobe said, give me that down ball and get your ass out of the way. So I'm glad you said that T-back because now we got James Hart

who needs the ball. Russ needs the ball. Somebody can't have the ball. Because look at it. I get look at Luca. Look at Luca and LeBron. Now, granted, LeBron is 41. It has been very interesting if Luca is 27 and LeBron is 28 used to having the ball,

and Luca not has the ball. It would be very interesting. Braun knows I'm not the same guy right now. I'm 41 years of age. I'm 14 years as a senior. You know what, as a matter of fact, damn second, I'm going to get in the backseat. Because at first I was driving, then I started riding shotgun. Now I'm all in the backseat because Austin Reeves now.

has the ball more than LeBron. LeBron basically on the wing, in the Dunker spot. He's diving to the basket. LeBron shoot 13, 14 times a game. T-Mack, I ain't never think I see no bull-jad job like that. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said, look, the third option, when you have three dynamic players like that,

and the third option is getting like 14 shots. So you have Russ, you have KD, you have James Harden, Yes. KD is the most efficient player we've seen. Ever. Ever. 15 shots, he's getting you 30, huh? Is he not?

Yep, I believe it. That's 15 shots, right? You're trying to tell me James Hardin with 17, 18 shots. He can't get that with those three guys? What would James Harden do with having 18 shots a game, huh? He's going to put up some numbers, huh? He could. If he was efficient, like KD.

If you look at James Hardness is like a 46% from the floor. It's Kevin Durant that's shooting 50 plus. What's Russ? Russ doesn't have that level of efficiency. So you're going to have to get points, you're going to have to put up more shots. That's why I was telling you, this is where the coaching comes in, right? This is where the, I'm serious.

This is where the coaching comes in. Because you know, you know James, when you look at him, he's becoming one of the most dynamic scores, right, on our team. He's in the league at this time. He's young, but he's becoming that type of score. Russ, we need you. You remember Russ when the way he played in Washington? When he went to Washington, you remember how he said?

Yeah, with John Wall, yes. Russ would have to play like that, and that's coaching. We need you. And Russ, a triple-double guy, so 10 to 12 shots a game, Russ. You still going to get 15 points. you have 10 rebounds, you have 8 and 9, probably your average a triple double back. He probably would have average a triple double back then

because he's playing with two of the most dynamic scores that we will see on the same team. That is coaching. It can work. They don't seem to be doing a lot of that now these days. It's what you're talking about coaching. They need to be letting these guys do whatever the hell they want. Or because if you coach me too hard, I won't want to leave.

I ain't putting up with your bull's job team back. you yelled at me, talk crazy to me in front of my peers, I got to get up out of here. Yeah, man, the game is just different. I'll be talking to some of these coaches, oh, man, and I just want to know, like, what's the mindset, what's the mental capacity of these players? And I talk to some of these coaches, and they're like, yo, when these kids miss a, you know, their first couple shots, it's like, they're done. I say done for what?

He's like, they're done for the game. He's like, man, we, yeah, man, he was like, some of these guys who's getting their own way, getting their own head. And I was, and I was just like, how do y'all get them out of this run? And it's like just constantly, constantly just bathing and just talking to these kids. Oh, what?

You miss a couple shots and you're done for the night. Like, it's a different league. But then talking about, you know, the coaching. In our era, it was like the Lakers didn't look like San Antonio. San Antonio didn't look like Sacramento. Portland looked a different way. Boston didn't look like Orlando. Like everyone had a different style in which they play.

And when you watch today's game, it's only about a handful of teams that plays a different style. Like San Antonio has a style that I love that they play. Denver has a unique system that they play in. And, you know, you could say Boston as well. But everybody else is just... You like jacking up all them threes? No, man, I don't.

But Boston shoots a lot of threes, too, but I don't like it because everybody is, don't have the personnel to be jacking up these threes. You know what I mean? So why not adapt a system that, you know, ultimately fits your team? Do something that's conducive to the talent that you have on your team. And I just don't see a lot of that.

Hey, you got, we have a guy that comes on the third member of the big three. ISO. You got in the stories about going, one on one on one with ISO? No, by the time me and ISO became teammates, I was no longer T-Mack, I was Tracy. You were Tracy McGreg. Yeah, I was Tracy McGreg.

Let's ask you this team back, because we see how athletic you were. You're talking about a guy that six foot, six foot eight, six, nine, could jump out of the gym. Could either hand, we saw you score all those points in a little bit of time. What was the injury? that really slowed T-Mac down that you saw back,

it's like, you don't know what? I'm never going to be that guy again. Yeah, so it was not, you know, I didn't tear my ACL, I didn't have an Achilles and nothing like that. Mine was just the wear and tear. And, yeah, I had zero cartilage in my knee, but I had microfracture. Yeah, micro fracture.

Yeah, that's what took me out. When they drill it and try to get the blood and try to get some regrowth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was crazy. They don't even do that surgery no more. Yeah, did it take? Man, it took me like two years for me to even just feel pain free

and that feel like my, you know, feel healthy again. It was the worst surgery and the worst thing that I went through. Oh, man. Yeah. Didn't Penny, I think didn't Penny have microfaction also? Man, Penny. And shout out to Kenyon Martin. Kenyon Martin, I think had two of him.

He came back jumping off the jet. Jumping up. That one got a bump in a knee. Marge Sotomar, I think he had a microfaxion as well. That microfaction is no joke. It took a lot of guys out, man. It did, yeah. I know a couple of players and has it.

Rod Wilson had it early in his career, and he came back and played, I think, another, you know, decade. Bruce Smith ended up having it. But I can just imagine basketball players trying to have it because it's a, what was it, a six to eight, six to nine month recovery? That was like 12 months, man.

A year? 10 12 months back, yeah, yeah. It took me. I had, man, I had to keep my knee in the machine for like eight weeks, man. I was like a grueling, you know, comeback. And for me to play those four years after I left, was that Houston, it was all about just proving to myself that I could come back from this surgery because I was like in my 30s now.

It's proven to myself that I could get back and make an NBA team. I knew I wasn't going to be the same, but it was something. I had to prove something to myself that I could push through this. I had the mental fortitude to push through this and make another team. So that was my mindset, man. Hey, Ang, but T-Mack, let me ask T-Mack this. T-Mack, how hard was it for you mentally? Because you know what you were before.

And all of a sudden, you've got to come to grips with yourself. This is a battle between T-Mack and Tracy McGrady. Yeah. I've got to come to grips with I've never going to be what I once was. And I've got to be okay with that. That's not easy because you know what you were. You were an all-N-B-A player. People were talking about our two-guards okay.

Team Matt, ooh, ooh, woo. All you guys, and all of a sudden, like, damn it yeah i'm not going to be that anymore so to to be you know vulnerable and transparent with y'all like that was the darkest time of my life right that was the darkest time of my life because 2007 2008 we went on a streak and won I was with the rocket at this time and we won 22 straight games right 22 straight games if you go back and look at that roster you like and look at the guys the teams ahead of us. They're like, how the hell these, this team won, 23, 22 straight games.

And on top of that, we lost Yao. Yeah. Game 12, we lost yow like game 12. And we kept that street going. That was a very, very good team, very polished team, veteran team. And we was so connected, man, to win 22 games. I thought that was going to be our year. well, we at least push somebody to the brink

and possibly try to make it to the Western Conference Finals. I think that had we beat Utah, I think we played Phoenix and we kind of had a number with them. But then the following year, right? So now I'm like, my knee was bothered me a little bit in that 07, 08. I had surgery. So I come back, we sign, run our test in the offseat.

I'm feeling good. Oh, my goodness. It's time. Surgery, I'm in rehab, you know, I'm trying to get back to pull a strength. My knee ain't right. I'm coming in the training camp. My knee's not right. Trying to start the season off.

I'm not feeling right. Not feeling like myself. So the shot at broke the cameras back. We were in Milwaukee. And I can remember, man, I got a fast break. Going up, I seen somebody trailing me. So I knew it. I couldn't really elevate.

If I came up on the same side, he was going to block the shot. So I tried to go up under and dump, and I got hung. I didn't get no lift. And I was like, oh, man. So I get in the locker room at halftime. And so much going in my head. I'm like, dear, I ain't the same, man. I can't play.

I was like, I can't play no more, bro. I got to shut it down. like I was crying bro I was like I got to shut I got to shut it down so I shut it down that season I have I go to Chicago I have micro fracture surgery um my team makes it to the playoffs now mind you we've been killing Portland like Portland was young team up and coming because they had Lamarcus audrix and brandon Roy he row is a problem by the way but they were young And we had our way with them. I'm sitting in Chicago, man,

and the CPA machine, you know, eight hours out the day. And I watch my team play Portland in the playoffs. And they beat Portland. We got the Lakers next. Oh, man. Cody? This is my opportunity to play Kobe in the playoffs.

In the Lakers? Play at the Staple's Center up. I'm going through it, man. I am going through it. But mind you, I haven't made it out of the first round. My team played Portland in their events. And they lost Yow in the Lakers series. We take the Lakers to seven games, Fulchow and Ump.

Without me, they lost Yow in like game five. They take them to seven games. I'm in Chicago, microfaxon surgery, depressed, going through it. And I'm like, yo, man, what, like, I'm talking to God, bro. Why me? Why is this happening to me? Why?

This is like, these last two years it's supposed to be my time. It's supposed to be my window of winning. I lost my window in Orlando because Grant Hill's injury. That was a good window for me in the Eastern Conference for four years. I lost that. I didn't have him. But now this is my window right here.

I got another window. And I can't perform. And that, man, that was so devastating because I won. wanted so bad for myself, for the team, for the organization, that group that I was with, we were so tight-knit, and I'm out of there, bro. And it was hard for me. So I'm like, God, why? Why?

Why does this happen to me? So, like, give me something. Please give me something to get out of this. Got the call. Mr. McGrady, we just want to inform you. You made it to the Hall of Fame. Thank you, Lord. I appreciate you, man.

And that, like, to hear that brought me back, bro. Because that was, man, that, that, that was tough, man, because we played this game to win. And that was my opportunity to win. And I didn't do it, man. I didn't do it. Man, that's dope. I mean, you look at yourself, uh, Grant Hill.

There were some guys that had Penny Hardaway. There's Rose. Because I'm, I'm, I'm going to see you back. I'm old enough to remember when Penny came. in the lead. I'm older than remember when Grant came. I know how special Grand Hill was. People and you look at Grand Hill in college is like, bro, what is being? You look at him in Detroit. His first, before he had that ankle injury in Detroit team, Matt, you look at Grand Hill. LeBron James. He looked like a top five player.

LeBron Jerry. There ain't nothing he couldn't do. He could score it. He could rebound. He could, hey, he was a point forward. He could defend his ass off. And then he could, he could got like what we thought was a simple, a simple ankle injury. And I guess he tried to rush back or something happened. And he was never the same player. I think they misdiagnosed him and rushed him back. Because G. Hill, like when he was my teammate, he wasn't supposed to come back to like January, January or February.

He ended up coming back in like September. Like September, like September, October. Yeah. Like they had him doing stuff early in that process of life. and then, you know, it's just, it got worse. And then, you know, at that time, it's not like you go out there and get you another player. If I're not the great yield, the salary cap is not, it's very low than what it's compared to the day. So you just can't go inside somebody.

So we was, you know, we was handcuffed. And, I mean, for me, it helped me grow as a basketball player, you know, really fast. but man I I miss Rick I miss him out there bro because I know what I was doing without him what could have been in that Eastern conference with the two of us

I'm gonna get you out of here on this one team mate why is it so hard for players of the 80s and 90s to give this generation players credit why is it so hard if you give a guy credit in the 2020s it don't take away from your era in the 22 1980s it doesn't

take away from your 80. That money. Money, bro. You think that? It's money. It's money, bro. The money? It's,

bro. You do realize, like, in the 90s, Reggie Miller, Michael George, they only make it like $2, 3 million. And they were the top, they were the top guys.

Man, two, three, I don't even think anybody making $2, 3 million in the league right now, man. These guys making so much money. It's the money.

It's the money and how the league has really catered to the players. They made the league soft for these guys. You're trying to cut down the 82 games now? I mean, you're trying to cut down to 82 and go to 72? I think it's just all the other stuff of, you know, baby and coddling the players when they're making all this money. It has to be that. players got so much the players have power now even the great players back then never had oh i'm talking

about guys that might not even be the top top dogs got power that a superstar back in the 80s or 90 could only dream of how they can call their shots and get me that player or move me here do this or else and i got my boys hey guess what i fly with my massage therapist i fly with my nutritionist I fly with my this. I fly with my bat. And you know what, by the way, hey, I'm a homeboy, a teammate,

he comes here practice all the time too, so he's going to need an access code to get in anytime he wants to get in, too. Yeah. If you tried that day, it's not this. Like, if you don't get your ass up out of here. Hey, let me just tell you,

let me just tell you a quick story. Grant Hill, myself, and Tim Duncan was getting recruited by the Orlando Magic. Okay. Right? Obviously,

I'm the third guy that recruit because I was a bench player in Toronto. Tim Duncan is coming off a championship. Gray Hill, multi-time multi-all star at this time, all-NBA player. They were going to sign all three of us. Tim Duncan wanted, I think, his fiance at the time, to be able to travel to some games on the road. What G. Hill told me, Doc said he wasn't going to allow that. so because he couldn't allow,

he couldn't have his fiancé travel with us, that was a deal breaker. You know we could have had Tim Duncan, myself and G. Hill on Orlando Magic. Some things T-Mack, you just got to make a concession for. I don't think it was, I don't think me being in the NBA

was for me to win, man. I don't think it was it for me to win, but I really don't, man, because it was just a lot of shit that happened to be in my career. That was, damn, bro. Hey, T-Bank tonight, the Nuggets did beat the Maverick.

Nicola Yolkich, 23 points, 21 rebounds, 19 assists. Jamar Murray, 53 points on 19 of 28, 9 of 14 from the floor, from the three-point line. So, Yokic had 23, 21, 19. He was an assist short of a,

of his second 2020. There's only been three 2020 games where you're 20 and 6th, 20 rebounds, 20 points. Well, we had them. Coli Yolkich finished an assist short of that. We had them on our network last night on NBC and we were in a studio watching. I thought he was going to have that 20, 2020 game last night.

The man is unbelievable. I'm talking about massing a game. I never see anything like you. You're talking about master the game of basketball and really looked like after the game, he just didn't really play a game and don't even give a shit that he just had 2020. Hey man, let me, let me, let me get on my phone and check my horses.

What my horse is? Hey, hey, you got somebody out there kicking your ass, and don't even care they just gave you 2020, beat your ass and then he'd go and check on his horse. I don't care about that. I think the thing is that you look at it is the same thing with Byrd because they don't jump high, they don't run fast, they're not the big,

they don't got no, They don't have Charles Oakley or they don't have Mason or a rod or test shoulders. So you looking at them like, I'm about to tell, boy, I'm about to do a, I'm about to do a number on him team at. Oh, he's about to get it. And the next thing, you know, you look up. This motherfuck old folk got 3015 and 15 on me. Eilly skill, man.

Give me skill. Give me skill. That man and Luca, they are highly skilled. And if, and that's what I said. And, Watson came back tonight in 23 minutes. 21 points, four rebounds, three assists on seven or ten shooting, two or three. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you.

See, this is what, this is what I saw. And again, can they do it? They probably can't, but I, I, I'm saying they can't because of the inconsistency of, you know, them being in and out of the lineup. But what I saw when they added Cam Thomas, I mean, Cam, Cam Johnson, when they added, they brought back Bruce Brown, along with the other court that they have, and Valanchunis as well, right,

adding another big that can go inside rim protector, and he can step out and run your offense so you don't have that drop off when Yokes is on the bench. I was like, yo, that's my championship team right there. Think about it. They were injured last year, and they took OKC to seven games. Now they much deeper.

But I'm going to tell you somebody on that, team that I'm so like just impressed by and I salute him for the season he's having. He had phenomenal season. Hey man, that Tim Hardaway Jr., dog. He is hoping this shit, man.

Who been? When he shoots the ball, it's like Seth Curry this year. Like, that's a bucket. That's how well he's shooting the ball this year. He's super duper confident. I need somebody to study Aaron Gordon because all he did was play a ride, all he did with playing the paint, and now he don't turn to deal

three point point two 40 percent what the hell with you for people in Orlando probably thinking about where was that when you were here right right hey man he got there and worked and they unlocked something there because I damn sure didn't see that in Orlando but that's a testament to his dedication in his work man shooting 41% Denver is dangerous yeah Denver is dangerous that's all I'm say they are dangerous and they could come out of the Western Conference finals. But I just think that again, that inconsistency and trying to flow that all together and connect that and have it, you know, consistent in a seven-game series against team like San Antonio or OKC. I don't know. I don't know

if it's there. But hey, we'll see. Man, Team Mac, thank you for joining us tonight. Seven-time all-N-B-A player, seven-time All-Star, two-time scoring champ, Hall of Famer, Tracy McGrady. T-Mack, thanks for joining us tonight, man. We appreciate that, man. Come back, you're welcome to stop by any time you want to, and we can chop it up, bro.

We appreciate you. Oh, man, anytime y'all walk me on here. I ain't doing nothing at night. Hey, you got a-old. Tell our chat about your podcast. You got a podcast with your cousin, VC. Talk to us about it. Where can they find it?

Yeah, man. We're trying to catch up with y'all boys, man. It's all platforms, man. All platforms, man. Please subscribe to that. Me and my cousin, just talking the game of basketball, talking about life. What's the name of it? Cousins.

Cousins. Okay, Cousins. Okay. Chat, so y'all hear that. Cousins, Vince Carter, and T. Mack, got a podcast talking all things who. Make sure you check it out on all platforms. T-Mack, again, thanks for joining us tonight, bro. Chat, y'all, chat, y'all, y'all put with me?

Y'all like me? Can I come back? Can I come back on the show, Chad? Yeah. Hey, Chad, y'all want T-Mack to come back? Yeah, listen, you come back. time you want to, man. That's what it is. Man, I definitely come back in the playoffs and we'll chop it up.

That's going to be fun. Yeah, appreciate it, T, Mike. Love, man. Oh, Cho's my dog. All right, baby. I'll see you for the boy. Yes, sir. That's team, Matt.

I want to thank you for joining us tonight, man. Hey, he said he had X about a time, or Cho. I was trying to get him out of here on the time that he said. He said, man, y'all try to cut me short. All right? We'll stay. You're welcome to stay, bro.

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