Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: SGA Calls MVP Year a FAILURE + Unc & Iso BLAST Chet For Not TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY & DUCKING Wemby RIVALRY

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to SGA calling his MVP year a failure and Chet Holmgren ducking Wemby Rivalry Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction05:12 - SGA calls MVP year a failure after Game 7 loss44:50 - Chet Holmgren spoke after the game about him and Wemby (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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but I learned the most about myself and make the greatest amount of increase in my career when I fail and I don't get what I want. I look at this no different. I didn't get to where I wanted to go this season. There's a reason for that. Now I have to look for that reason and try to make sure it never happens. Again, Joe, in the regular season, Shea averaged 31.1 per game on 55% shooting, and he shot 39% from three. During the postseason, excuse me, in this series, he averaged 26 points a game on 41% shooting on 29% from three.

Now, everybody wanted to jump on me last night because they played well that one game. And I said, okay, Joe, if I'll concede that to you, you know, you're like, I want to push back on you a little bit up. I said, okay, I can see that. Yeah. I say, but Joe, there's no way people can think that he played well in this series. He shot 14% less from the field than what he shot in the regular season. He shot 10% less from three than what he shot in the regular season.

And he scored five fewer points. Under what scenario can you say, Shane had a great series. Take, we'll deal with Chet in just a second. We're going to set him aside just for. this because he I love the way he looked at his approach where he says look my ultimate goal was to win an MVP win the championship with another finals MVP that's my ultimate goal one of those three things happened after the other two did not I can't look at this as a successful season although some might Joe what do you like what did you what do you think about what he had to say

and what do you think about the series he just had I love the fact that he that he took the accountability and put it on himself. You know, that's what the great ones do, bro. They don't deflect, they don't blame. They point right at themselves. Man, I got to be better. I should have been better. And the fact that he had high standards. I mean, listen, he back-to-back MVP,

just coming off winning a title. Yeah, it's a failure, bro. Because to him, because to Shea, he felt like they were the best team. He felt like they really had a chance to do something special and that was to win back-to-back championships, but they came up short, give San Antonio credit. But no, he did not have a great series.

He did not. I thought San Antonio took the challenge to try and slow him down and hold him below his average, which they did. Give San Antonio credit, they did a great job. But I understand what Shays coming from. No, this wasn't up to his standards, bro. And the accountability that he put on himself, I respect it so much,

is why I'm a huge fan of them, Mom. Because when you look at it, Joe, you say, well, Shannon, he only scored five points, but look at the percentage that it took him just to get to that. Right. Yeah. Think about, let that sink in for just a second.

He shot 55%. And a lot of his shot are the shots that he was making in this series. Yeah. Well, you see him making tough 18, 19, 20 footers. He was getting to the, if you think about it in that, because I hold on, wait a minute.

You mean to tell me this man shot, 14% less for what he normally shoot from the floor 10% less. And he had five points fewer. I can see possibly why they struggle because even if Chet played as bad as he did,

and I just bring Chet just for this and I'm a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If Shea plays like he plays in a regular season, Joe, I'm still not sure they don't win this series. Hold on, hold on, but you got to look at San Antonio. They ain't got no shabby guards out there.

Meaning when I say shabby, I'm talking about from Fox to Castle to Bacill to Champany to those dudes. It's no weak link defensively. They all can score and they all sit in their chair and play defense. Give them credit on what they've done to shape, how they bottled him up, how they made everything tough, how they made this catcher stuff, how they made all his shots stuff. He had to take and make tough shots, bro. And then you got this alien behind him. If I do get by you, hell, I can't even really look at the goal.

You know what I mean? I got to become a passer. So I think I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs. Yes. I'm giving a lot of credit to the Spurs because they are an elite defensive team and they showed it throughout this series. But what about MVP's? If MVP only succeed against marginal or average players, why are they MVP?

Considering he, think about it, how few times they've been back-to-back MVP's. Even more times they've been back-to-backed. MVP with back-to-back titles. That's what makes them so great. That's why you get a Jordan. That's why you get a LeBron. That's why it ain't that many.

You get a Magic Johnson. Think about how many guys have won regular season MVP back-to-back and finals MVP back-to-back. There's a reason. That's not just an arbitrary thing. You think about it. LeBron was the last to do it. Then you go Jordan.

And I think Magic did it in 87 and 88. If I'm not mistaken, don't quote me, but I think Magic won 87, 88. Because he won his third MVP, if I'm not mistaken, in 90. So when you look at it, no, George snuck one in there. So Magic might have didn't win back to back. He might have didn't win back. He might have not won back to back regular season MVP's and finals MVP. I know LeBron did in 12 and 13, and I know George did.

So we got, okay, yes. I want to give San Antonio deserve a boatload of credit. But the reason why an MVP is that a lot of times, more times than not, Joe, he's able to arise above that. That's how he gets to do more. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe.

Go ahead, finish up. Go ahead, finish up. I think with Shay, when you look at him, though, he's not a real big physical opposing guy. I think his talent is really from sure will and hard work, meaning, you know, yes, he takes and make tough shots, but, man, they, they, they, okay, C ran up into a team, bro, who was just prepared. And it's different in the postseason when I can prepare and study. And I, yeah, and I can prepare and study your movements. I know, you know, your personnel super well. I understand patterns and how you move and what you do when you come off the pick and roll.

what your size up is like in the isolation, what you're trying to get to. Bro, they studied this man. They studied this man and went out of perfected the game playing against OKC. Like, damn, we know shade ahead of the snake, man. If we can just slow him down a little bit. I ain't saying stop him, you know,

just slow him down a little bit to where, you know, we're able to be effective on him. And I thought they've done a hell of a job. Ocho? You said you shot 55% during the regular season, huh? you think about the difference game to game week to week

city to city you're always playing somebody different at a certain level of comfort is you're able to study for a game or a team or a player for that specific week now we talk about a seven game series

I think that that would be the difference I would think in understanding on why he didn't shoot as well as he did during the regular season as opposed to the playoffs not on top of that. He's playing against some of the best defenders in the game. Collectively as a team, not just one individual, not just two individuals.

You got three of them that he has to deal with on both ends of the court, offensively and defensively. So I think I kind of agree with Joe in a little bit, and I understand what you're saying as well, is there are not very many back-to-backities because regardless of the circumstances, regardless of the scenario, they always rise to the occasion. But in this instance, in this series, he just wasn't able to on how great

those three players were, alongside having goddamn whimby as well. I just think sometimes when we like players, we give them the benefit of the doubt because of said, now Kobe scores 5% less. I mean score five point less, shoot 14% less,

10% less. Are we still saying, oh, Detroit's a great team, or are we going to criticize COVID? Because that's what happened. We're going to criticize it. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, and listen, if you can't, if OKC, if Shea doesn't have a consistent number two in this postseason fellas, he has to, you know, hope that guys, come along for the ride. He don't know who's going to explode from game to game.

He just has to be consistent. I think that was the toughest part for him because it's like, damn, I'm going to have to take a lot of these tough shots, but I got to hope that somebody comes along with this ride, somebody catches hot because we need a number two or even third guys to step up and help out with scoring for the productivity of the offensive side of the ball. And I just thought it was a lot of inconsistency. And that, and that, in that aspect. So therefore, if I only know I really got to worry about Shay, Uncle Ojo, and the rest of these guys,

I'm going to live with some of those results. You know what I mean? And I just thought that's what OKC kind of, you know, ran into against the Spurs team. If you look at him, and I don't think he was very pleased with the way he played last year in the finals, he mentioned that.

He mentioned that he did not play up to his regular season, the way he played in the regular season, In the regular season last year, he averaged 32.7. So he was down two points in the finals versus the regular season. He was down eight percentage points from the field goal percentage. He was down, what did he shoot from the three? I think he shot like 36, 37 percent from the three. So he was down 13 percent from that.

So are we going to see, we overlook some of, see, what we do is that we overlook those numbers that was substantially down because they won. now we critique them a little more harshly. We're like, well, damn, when you really think about it, damn, okay. Look, I don't, I think in the regular season, I mean, I don't really look at Shay as a three-point shooter, Joe, do you? I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I think his average is high. It's like in the high, in the mid to the high 30s,

because he's not a volume three-point shooter, say like a Steph Curry or some of these other guys. guys. Right, right. He'd go three or seven, you know, three or eight. That's going to keep you at a nice percentage. But, you know what I'm saying? And sometimes he might go, he might go two for five. But he's not a volume guy. He's not looking to get up eight to 10 to 12 threes a game.

He's not like the Celtics guys or the cavalier or some of these guys like that. Look, he's a phenomenal player. And I think the thing is, Joe, what happens is that when you critique a player's performance, people automatically assume you're trying to diminish what he's already done. No, he's a two-time finals MVP, I mean, two-time regular season MVP. He's done that. He's a final MVP. He's done that.

He's a four-time first-team all-NBA selection. He's done that. But I think in order for us to do our job, nightcap collectively, we have to look like with Joe, when you look at it, man, 26 points. And just think if he didn't shoot that 52, 53 percent yesterday, Joe, he was going to be under 40, which is crazy. You're right. He's a, he's a rhythm guy, more so midi.

And once he get his mid-range going and get his, you know, driving to the basket going, the lane starts to open up and guys start to sag off, then that's when he'll side step. You should be three step back. He's not, his first couple shots ain't going to be no three. No, he's not looking to get the three going. He probably ain't going to. I don't know if I've seen.

I don't know if I've seen him, Joe. and I've watched him probably about five to eight times in the regular season, and I watched all their playoff game. I don't know if I've seen him open up with a three. Nah, they ain't what he do. He's trying to apply pressure early. You know what I mean? He's trying to get in the pain.

It's almost like a big guy. He won his first shot or first touch kind of close to the basket as he can get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we open it up, we open that up, and then look, they start sagging off when they least expect. I side-stepping, you know, and get one off. But for the most part, now, he's going to make you play him honest. He's going to make you back up first.

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You live with that. I don't believe with the amount of pressure that we're plying on him on both ends of the court because we're going to make his ass guard too. We got to guard his ass. We're going to make his ass guard too. Y'all go at it. Whoever has the ball do not be afraid to go at shape. Absolutely.

And that's why. You saw him late in the ball and you saw that chest going up and down. You saw those hands on those shorts. And now he realized it. So what do you do? He start pump faking, trying to get guys to jump, lead their feet. Now he leads into him to go to the free throw line. The red, the riff ain't fall for him.

He got him a couple of times. And I, you know, I tweeted like, hey, he getting tired. So he's going to pump fake you. He ain't going to his natural shot where he dive and just go straight up with it. That ain't what he was doing. He would dive and then pump because he felt those things starting to get a little weary. They did a, they did a great job of hounding him. And if you make four, if you get the 45 making tough 18 to 20 footers, Joe ain't nothing I can do.

Ain't nothing I can do. And no, you can do, bro. Look at it. Did you see the shots that man was making? It's like if I bliss the quarterback, Ocho, and I hit him, and I hit him, and I hit it. And he completes those passes. They said, guys, we sacked him seven times. You just got to live.

It's kind of like when Joe Burrow had that magical run through the playoffs. The Tennessee Titans sack them nine times. But when he needed to put a drive together to get them in field goal range, he made every throw. He looked down to ballot. gun and then when they hit him under the chin, they hit him in his chest, he stood there. I ain't nothing I can do, guys. Kansas City sacking him.

The ram, even though he lost, look at the pressure that they applied. Sometimes you just got to say, you know what? I did all I could do. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got nothing. Hey, I fired all my bullets. Hell, I threw the gun,

and I just took off running. That's all I had left. Hey, analytics. Analytics say that those 18, 19 foot jump shots, those are the worst shots in basketball. That's analytically. That's why they say they either want a three-part or a damn layer.

You know what I mean? And I think, would come into speaking of Shay, yeah, I thought he got tired, but he also was shooting such a great percentage that he made them jump. You know what I mean? Like he was making shots last night. They're like, damn, we got to get up on them.

So that's why those pump fakes started coming to play and they started to work. I thought, I thought Shade done what he could, bro. But does he deserve the criticism? Yeah, because the standards are high for him. You know, when you're an MVP, two-time MVP, one-time champion, and you're a back-to-back MVP?

Yeah, man, the standard's going to be high. And you think about it too, Uncle Joe, you think about the accolades and the resume and what he's done so far earlier in his career. And we hold him to a certain standard based on what we've seen, based on what he's already done. Well, hell, based on when you hear him talk, how many times do you hear a player take, take accountability?

And hold themselves to that exact same standard. And he made no excuses. Yeah. No excuses. And this goes back to when I forgot what game it was, they asked him, what can shit do more of? Remember they asked him that question? Yeah. Yeah.

And he didn't really have answer. Yeah. And I think having someone else with Jay Will being out, having Shet come along and being able to take some of that pressure off of him, I think this series would have been, they might not have won, but it would have been a lot different if Shed has showed up a little bit more. Yeah.

They got some decisions, Joe. You know, Kays and Watson is doing extension. Yeah. We had a conversation earlier. And Joe, you looked at me like I had four heads and 17 eyes. I said, Joe, what do you think about if they were to move? If they were to move on from Jay Duff? You're like, oh, come on now.

How you, are you winning, to let Kays and Wallace walk? You can't sign, but one of you, you got three first round picks. You can only sign one. You're about, you're a small market team. And I understand, Ocho said, well, you win and you keep, but you know them billionaire, they don't like to shell out no 200 million, no 300 million, Joe.

Right. Yeah, I already know it. Especially if you're a, uh, Hey, Joe, how do BN's feel if you already won one? You already won a championship? I'll tell you how they feel. How do they feel at that team? The Celtics felt so good about them winning a championship,

he sold a damn team. That's how great he felt about it. He said, let me go ahead and get up. Let me go ahead get about Ocho. You say when you go to the table, you win a little bit, you'll take your money. Yes. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So you boss just said, hold on. We just won the championship. I can keep trying to run it back and win more and spend two, three hundred million dollars, or I could just go and take my six and a half billion when I only pay three, four hundred, five hundred, six hundred million. Now, I'm good.

I'll let y'all figure that out. Yeah, he got out while it was hot. Hey, so that's the thing. That's the fine line that you got to walk because, okay, Joe, I'm winning a championship, but damn, I keep. standing that damn secretary apron. Man, I think tearing my ass up.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you got to figure out, I think for OKC, because you got to have scoring, bro, in that starting lineup. As much as I love Lou Dort and how hard he plays, it's going to be hard, bro, when you don't have people who can relieve pressure off shape

and you putting so much on his shoulders for him to carry. and you ain't got but two offensive threats and your starting lineup. That's hard because the West is so tough, the game, the NBA game has changed so much that hell if you can't score the ball, if you can't shoot the ball, it's hard to play your ass.

It is. It is. It's hard to play. Yes. Because, so they got, go ahead, Joe, go ahead. They got to figure that part out because it was so glaring in this series.

And obviously, we're giving San Antonio, you know, all the deserving respect. Love and respect. But, but man, when you ain't got but two guys and your star line up who can score the ball fellas, hey man, you got to reevaluate some things. Because guess what? San Antonio are going to be here for another 10, 15 years.

Guys, y'all need to refresh or restart your browser because everything is good to go on our end. Joe and I and Ocho and I, we can communicate. So I think it's guys on your end. end. I don't think it's on our end. And the thing your joke is getting now, that it's getting harder and harder, even

if you're a defensive liability, it's getting harder and harder for you to play unless you're so extraordinary offensively. Yeah. The thing that made this the series is that everybody really could defend.

Yeah. That was the thing. So just imagine if you couldn't defend, you couldn't defend, I don't know how you play in the series. Because everybody, for the most part, especially from the guards, could take you off the bounds. Every guard from OKC could take you off the bounce.

Every guard from San Antonio could take you off the bounce. If you couldn't defend, I can't play in you. It's really that simple. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, fellas, we're looking at the two of the best defensive teams in NBA this year.

Yeah. Stan in San Antonio, OKC. So it didn't surprise me defensively how gritty both of these teams were, how disciplined they were on defense. It was the offensive end that we didn't really know who was like even for San Antonio, although Castle was great, Harper was great, you know, Fox was a little inconsistent at times. Champany made shots, a couple games. Vesel made shots, didn't make shots. But the biggest difference for San Antonio, bro, they got so many guys who can score the basketball.

ball. So, okay, it's cool if two, three-hour guys ain't making shots. Well, hell, we got one who can put up 43 and 24 points. You know, you catch another 25, 30 from Castle or Harper. It's just, it's so much. And they're so young. Uh, such, such a hell of a series, bro. Uh, the thunder, really, really. Because they got so many assets, Uncle Ocho, the Thunder, that they got a great problem that they ran into. Yeah, they got a great problem, bro. I still believe they should have started Kason Wallace instead of Dort. They've got to get more. Joe, they play a, hold on, hold on.

Offensively, though. They started Case in Wallace. Dort, I can't start Dort. I might have to, I might have to go. I got to get, I got to get more production, Joe. I got to. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Think about what they're going with.

They had all five of their guys in double figures. And they cook it from the jump. And so if he's not really neutralizing anybody and he's not giving me anything offensively, Joe, how do I give him those kind of minutes? He's a liability. You know, and that's damn, you're almost not fair to door too, huh? What you mean?

Because he's never been to offensive weapon. You know, he's always more liability on offense. He's there because of Woody's able to do defense. Now that comes on the onus of one of your other players who's on a Mac contract. Him not showing up now because he's not showing up. Now we talk about Dorr being a liability offensively when that's something he's never been. I think it's a serious thing, Ocho. When you look at, okay, how does thing match up?

Okay, I got to look. I'm hoping, I'm hoping that Chad's going to give us what he gave us in the regular season. I can hope that. Hartenstein is going to be Hartinstein. We don't run place for Hartinstein. We'll lobby it. We'll dish it down to him. He'll hustle guy going to get some extra points.

He's going to put the ball. He'll give us some second chance possessions. And he'll give us, you know, he'll get a rebound and dunk it back. But I don't really have to run a set for him. It's the same thing for Doug. I don't really run sets for Dort. But when I got those guys, when I got champagne and I got Bacill and I got Fox and I got Harper and I got Cheldon Johnson and I got Carter Brown,

they got six guys that can take you off the bounds. all six of those guys can defend. Now, all of them can't defend at the same level, but they can defend. The problem is that Dort, the disparity with the scoring is such a drop off. Yeah, it is. That it's like you get three points, you get four points.

Joe, the other night, we had a bet when he scored less than five points. He had five points in the second quarter and he scored another one. Hey, I think, hey, listen, I think with Lou Dork, if y'all remember, y'all know game one, he started off on Wimby, and Wimby got off to that great start on that. Yes. And he ended up having that 41 and 20. Ever since then, he didn't, I mean, he guarded him at times,

but it wasn't his main assignment. We started to see Hardenstein guard him and be ultra-philic. That's what they should have started. I don't know, Joe, come on now. You got to see, I don't know how tall. Let's just say he's six-four. Joe, really? You're going to start a guy that's six foot four

on a guy that got a whole foot advantage and a damn, and a probably a 10-inch from span to span advantage on that. So what is he going to do? Be physical. Be physical with him, push him around and wear him down.

Hell, that's what I think. OKC was thinking at first, but then it was such a disparity when he started on a low block. Yeah, they were just throwing it up. He was just catching it, dunking over it. You know what I mean? ball come out from the rebound what was he doing just right on the top label give me that right there

so uh look i love i love what she had uh she had to say he put their on this on himself just like he did last year he won last year he said but i don't think i played my best basketball my job is to go back to the drawing board and see where i can be better in which i will he followed it up with another MVP season. He didn't complete the mission, which was get back. Because now you start getting to that elite company.

When you start talking back, back-to-back regular season MVP, back-to-back finals MVP, there ain't been a whole lot of them. There have not been a whole lot of them. No. They've been back-to-back regular season MVP, but to run that

gauntly joe and to run that thing back. Gotta be special. You know it's funny. And the fact that it's almost unfair to him how well he's played, Uncle Joe. Yeah. Because now we hold him to a certain standard based on what he's done in the past. We're expecting to look like you've done in the past.

So when you don't, as he looked at this series, shooting a lower percentage, 55 in the regular season, and then what was he? What was he this series? 41%. 41%? You know, for shit. Hell, some players in the NBA shooting 41%. shooting 41%

I mean, hey, that'd be good. That'd be great. But the standard that he said is so high, we're being critical of him because he's not getting him. That's what happened. And it obviously, yeah.

compare him to his great self. Yeah. He did that. He could have been marginal and average 19 to 20, Joe. And guess what? We wouldn't even bad a night. Right.

But he went to the gym. He got. better because he felt that you know what yes I'm in the NBA and I'm playing I'm starting but I think I can get to another level yeah let me see and ta-da so now that is the level that he'll be held to even as he starts to get older yeah the level he'll be held to is a 26 27 year old she that won back-to-back MVP and a finals MVP that's what he's going to be He's not going to be compared to these other guys that's going to come along and be great.

You get compared great players get compared to their younger self. Wow. Is it fair? Whether it's fair or not, it is what it is. Right. Listen,

OK, so you know, in this series, bro, I think they got off to slow starts and damn to everything. And, I mean, even the game, even game three in San Antonio, when San Antonio jumped out on them and they came back and walked them down and won their game.

Bro, I mean, you might be on something about the Lou Dork situation. It's just when you don't have scoring in those positions at that small forward and two-guard position, bro, it's challenging, man. And I thought the way the injuries stacked up against OKC with J-Dubb

and A.J. Mitchell being out, man, it was so much put on shape, bro. It was almost going to be impossible for him to operate the way he's operated during the regular season because of the attention that's put on him. It's like, yeah, we got to worry about these other damn guys. We'll see if they can make shots. And I thought that's what OKC ran into.

I mean, every game this series, bro, even the games they won, I think they got off to slow starts in the first quarter. And what that does, Joe, no, Joe, is that it takes so much out of you just to catch up. Then when you catch up, do I have enough still in the tank to get over the finish line? To sustain. Yeah. Think about, because they were down for the large part of the game.

And even though they caught them and went up, they couldn't really get that separation. Yeah. Yeah. And it seemed like, and like She said, she said, like, bro, we caught up with them and they, we, they made big shot after big shot. And they did. Big shot. They did. They did.

Dillon Harper made big shot after big shot. Vassel made big shot. make big shot after big shot. He did. They did. And then Wimby hit a three. Wemba's like, I'm going to go, nah, hell, nah. Damn that.

Take yes. I just think the thing is, Joe, I love what they have, but at some point time, when you continuously start low, slow, and you constantly have to run so hard just to catch back up, how much do I

have? Because if I know I got a kicker, I got to get out to it. I'm going to make you run. Because I know if I keep the game close, you can kick on the end. Yeah. The Kenyans did, what's the guy's name?

El Garush. Go back and look it up and see what the Kenyans did. They took the pace out. They said, we know we can't keep with you. But we're going to keep the pace, and they just alternated. They're like, I don't care about who win the goal. We're going to take you down.

Our job is to make sure you don't win gold. I might win you. my countryman white win goal somebody else's like you not going to win it so what they're doing is that they're getting out of that pace and say man look here we know Lou Dorr

what a help always coming from Joe how many they're like he ain't going to make enough of those rainbow threes to beat us he not Lou Dorr ain't going to give you no 20 points Lou Dorr is not going to give you 30 so I can't help

off him if you notice they started shine away because at first they was helping off Caruso. And Caruso cooked them. He's in jail. And wrong answer. Yeah. They say, hey, hey, Cesar Wallace. And wrong answer.

Hey, hey, how are you doing, Lou? Nice to meet you. Shoot all you like. Yeah. You ain't going to where. When you look at the championship teams, bro, to win multiple titles, like you have to continue to tweak your roster.

You do. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you have to be willing to make some uncomfortable decisions. And I think this is what San Antonio has ran into. They go have to get rid of a couple of those, I mean, yeah, OKC. They're going to have to get rid of a couple of those guys, man. You know, with all these draft picks that they have and the fact that there is some veteran guys who out there who they feel like and probably help them, they're in a great position, man.

If I'm okay, see, I ain't that pissed off. You know what I mean? Like, I can make some changes to where we can be right back there. Now, San Antonio going to get better, though. Yes. They're going to get better. And guess what, Joe? In a couple of years, they're going to have these same damn problems.

Because they're going to have Dylan Harper up for a contract. They're going to have a castle up for a contract. They're going to have women up for a master contract. Yeah, yeah. And Bucel says, hey, slide your boy, a slide you more a little paper now. You know, say, I get a little compound out here, but I'm gonna need y'all to slide or something now. Hey, listen.

I got a question, too. And you got, Mark. Go ahead, Ocho. I like that you all said that, right? Is the Thunder has some very tough decisions? Now, obviously, you want to keep the main thing, the main thing, your nucleus. Yeah.

What is your stuff? She. You know, She is one. He's not going anywhere. You got to have one more going behind him now. I'm not going to be surprised Ocho and Joe. if one of those guys aren't moved, J-dub or Chet?

Or Chet. One of them going to get moved. Well, based on what we saw from Shet, wouldn't he be the answer? And they're moving to move. Hold on, wait, hold on, hold on. You know what you get from J-dub when he's in? If he's not in, you know what he's going to give you?

Regardless to the competition, regardless of who he's playing. He's consistent at what he does. Shet is the only one that's been up and down. Listen, I'm not saying he's relaxing. He's been paid already or he's content. But, I mean, he's playing Wimby. Hey, Joe, let me ask you a question. I'll put your GM hat on.

If we gave Gailin Wallace those minutes that we give J. Dub, how you think he'll look? I think he'll look good. But why you can't play both of them, no? I can't pay both of them. That's why I can't play both of them. They say, if there's some African country,

of Muslim countries, you could have as many wives as you like is what? As long as you can afford them. Yo, I only got so, I only got so many gold, sheep, cattle that I can trade the dad with. I think that they're two different players, though. Like, Kaysen Wallace is a defender, a knockdown shot, you know, he can knock down, shot, he can run and pick a run. I think he's a hell of a player. Yeah.

Jade Up is an all-star. I think he's a all-NBA caliber guy. And we don't take into consideration that the dude couldn't even play in this series, man. Like, you know, I think we take for granted what he brought to the OKC Thunder last playoff run. You know, and for them to have to go through this playoff run without him, man, it's challenging. It was going to be hard for them to win. They need it. I think when you look at check, he not only needs Shay, but to have J-dub alongside.

of him to take some of that pressure off him and then he can just kind of you know be in the weeds and have good games here and there but when you depending on him every night okay ohcho yeah what we what we said in the field the thing that the thing that will upset the apple car and the biggest killer of dreams expectations you see what you said joe shay and j doug we got very little expected of chat. Now there is no J. Dube. There's more expected. Yeah.

Well, hold on, uh, it's only expected because we've seen him do it before. If he's never done it before, Joe. Right. It should never look good. Right. He got his money for a reason. Yeah. He looking good. He got paid when he got for a reason. I got Shay and I

got J. Dub. I'm the third option. So that means I'm getting the third best guy. I got to score on the third best guy. I got to defend the third best guy. Now what happens you? You got to defend, you got to defend, try to chase one of those small guards around.

Or you got to deal with Wimby. And Wimby despise you because you beat him in the under 19 tournament, and you got the MVP. Wimby ain't ever forgot that. You seen Wimby reaction? Yeah, I saw Wimby's reaction. Hey, boy, he was pissed.

Hey. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a good thing to have. When you got, when you got a player like that, bro, who's, who's, who's, who's pissed off about, you know, obviously not winning the MVP. Check didn't even know, check didn't even know, check didn't even know, it's somebody out there had beef with him the whole damn time. He didn't, he didn't, man, you know, ain't all, you know, oh, you hear? You know, it's my team against his team. No, it's me against you. That I, he's on one team, I'm on another team, and guess what?

Yes. I want all to smoke. Oh, you're a quarterback, you're a safety, you're a linebacker. Okay, yeah, it's a game within a game. Yeah, I know it's the Broncos versus the Chief, but it's me against your punk ass too while you're at it. So it's two games being played. Just so you know it.

It's just like you go to the treadmill. Somebody to take out running. And they got their incline in two. They're going about four miles an hour. I hear my two point five. I'm going four point five. Yeah. Can you jack yours up?

for three, I go my at 3.2. We compete, B. Just so you know, we compete. Hey, he was scared of that competition. What's up? He was scared of that competition. Of course. Yeah, just the way he played.

He shied away from everything. He shied away from everything in moments where it mattered most. And that's what made it worse, Uncle Ocho. Because if you don't take it to him, hell, you play right into his damn hands. You know what I mean?

It's just like, I don't give a damn because he didn't block your shot at time or two. Man, you got to keep going at their man neck, bro. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because the times that I thought Chuck were catching the ball, he couldn't even, he wasn't even looking at the goal, man. I'm like, come on, bro. I heard a clip today.

They, they were throwing it. And Tariko was said, okay, is Chuck going to get aggressive? That joke would pass the ball off. I guess the answer was no. I guess we got our answer, Joe. No. Hey, you know what? Let's go here and talk about you.

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the Thunder team trying to win a basketball game, and that's what it's always going to be down the stretch we gave ourselves a chance we fought really hard we just weren't able to put enough plays together to make it happen a couple of our shots didn't go down we just weren't able to convert i'm going to have to go back and watch the tape but i feel like where we were able to get a lot of really good shots and we really bowed the ball well we just weren't able to convert enough of them into points hold on i thought wimby was the only guy on the court that was from france doing all this we. What do you mean we? You stop seeing. See this, see you see the different, you see the

difference between Joe and Ocho what Shay had to say and what he had to say. Go ahead, Joe. Yeah. Two different mentalities out. Yeah, two totally different. And accountability is everything. This is what we always talk about. This is why Shay is who he is. And check had to know, bro, that that man has smoke with him. Just by the competition level, you can tell when you walk out there on the court or previous interactions that we've been into, like, bro, you got to bring it tonight.

Like, this man talk about how he wants to win so bad, you know, he's willing to do any and everything. And he's playing like it. He didn't answer the call, fellas. He didn't answer the call. And I don't like all that. I don't like all that we, we neither. I like for you to take accountability and be like,

bro, I got to be better. I didn't play, guys, this was on me. I didn't play well enough. I'm an all-N-B-A. I'm an all-defensive selection, and I didn't play like that on either end of the ball court, and this one's on me. I want to apologize to the Thunder fans,

and I want to apologize to my teammates. Guys, I let you down. But I promise you, if we're ever back in this situation again, it will not happen again. You will be. Don't do all this week, because guess what?

We ain't collect 240 million. you did. We weren't on the all-NBA team. You were. Right. The difference is Shea accepts accountability. He takes responsibility, and that's how you grow. But see, to try to office skate and to try to place the baseball team, no, no, no, no.

What shot did you shot that didn't go down? You only shot the ball two times more than me, and I didn't get my big ass up off the couch. Right. Absolutely right, man. Hey, hey, hey. he needs to do is going to this summer, try to do whatever he can to beef up a little bit, but change his mindset and attitude, just work his ass off this summer, bro, and come back and try to be a huge difference maker.

But I think they're going to be a little, they're going to look a little different coming next season. Yeah. Yeah, how are you talking about you don't know? Well, you know exactly who got back to beef with you. You already know who got beat with you. You don't beat this man. This man is made it abundant.

clear. Yeah. He go out of his way. Hey, if we can see it. He's all right. He's all right. You know, hey, he's going to grocery store. You see somebody you don't want to see and you pretend like you. Joe, you and I, you know damn well, you ain't leased for no spices. You are up there looking at it. Right, right. You look like, damn. Do it everything you can, not to see them. Yeah. You ain't got no choice. He's taller than you. So unless you're looking at the ground,

don't run. Oh, you, oh, you looking for me? I'm looking at you too. I just, I don't know. I just ain't wired like that. I'm on whatever you want. What you want?

Because, hey, hey, because you know what never lies? The energy. The energy never lies. When you, when you, when you plan it. against your opponent, you can feel that energy. You know what I mean? Energy is the new currency, fellas.

You know what I mean? Ain't no way in hell check than feel like when he was out there, bro. I felt that I'm sitting there watching no, Joe. Why every time a Wimby get the ball, he go at your neck? Every time. He ain't looking to pass. Hey, if you watch Wemby, he gets the ball on check. Get up.

Why do he do that to you? Because it's personal. He won't know that. It's personal. Okay. You can pretend all you want to that, oh, it's a team. It is. It is a team game.

But there are personal battles, individual battles within the team game. I like that. I like that. Yeah, Ocho against, it's the Bengals against the Ravens, but Ocho trying to cook Chris McAllister and Duane Star. He knows in order for his team to have success, I've got to have success against these two mopholes. Because if I don't, we ain't got no chance of winning.

Right. Who we can't. Right. Game within the game. I got to win my individual battle. That's the number of thing. I got to win my individual battle. And sometimes I got to block him.

Sometimes I got to get a pass. Hey, whatever I got to do, I got to win. I got to win my battle in order to help my team win. Yeah. Oh, you thought you could play like some stir fry and your team was going to win? Yeah, no. Yeah, no.

Hey, hey, but he may have been thinking like that considering that he playing with a two-time MVP. You know, I don't know. I don't know what he was thinking, because I don't know how you played 33 minutes and only get up two shots. I don't know how you do that.

Don't when you play. Look, I play with an MVP. I know the level that he played at. I saw what he was doing. You think I could go out there and pull my pants down and crap on the field? I got to meet his level. Yeah, yeah.

How in good conscience can you play next to that guy? And you see what this guy does. His routine on a date, this man just don't show up like that and ball at the game. You have to see this man approach every single effing day. Yeah.

And that what you gave him is, boy, you ought to be embarrassed. As a matter of thing, what you should do, you should come in there as a, a, a, a, uh, Shea, can you meet me tomorrow? Can I come on to your house?

Yeah, what's up? No, I just want to talk to you about something. And you bring back every damn gift that he gave you with your head bow. Don't look at me as eye. Hey, you got a chill. You got a chill. Hey, hey, Joe, you come in with...

Because you ain't worthy of habit, damn it. The motor scooters, the golf clubs, the watches, Bring that is back. The trench coat, too. Get his trench coat back. Hey. Hey. Hey.

I wouldn't even be able to let my teammates down. I wouldn't even be able to let them down. Yeah. Just general. Even if I wasn't the main, even if I wasn't the main man and somebody else was. And I know they had two, two-time MVP. I understand I got to raise my level of play. Absolutely.

Got to. Mentally, I'm wired different. Absolutely. Joe. Joe, mentally, you're wired differently. You ride into the occasion. I don't care who I'm playing against. I don't care what happened when we was 19 years old.

Yeah. Today? At our age, oh boy, you got to get it. Now, are you going to win them all? No, you're not going to win them all. Joe, you're going to lose some time. Yeah. But I'm not going to lose without giving no effort.

But look, culturally, that's why. Listen, culturally, fellas, that's who we are as people. Right, as African-Americans, we kind of built like that. You know what I mean? Like, we want our get back. We're going to get at you. We want all that. You know what I mean?

Like, we want to smoke, bro. Everybody ain't built like that, man. Everybody ain't built like that. Man, look here. Two plays that haunt me, one haunts me more than the other. But I remember in 91, I wasn't even the thought of it, the guy that I was. And I dropped a touchdown. And it haunts me to this day.

I can just imagine being the player as you become more heralded it hurts you more when you don't perform it do well let me take that back if you give a damn if you give a damn I care far too much I invest far too much time

I promise you anybody if I ever beat you one time in my life, I believe I can do it again. Anybody. That's what my brother stopped playing me in basketball. I beat him. Like, no, I'm good, cause. I'm good.

And I'm gonna tell, I don't quit. We go fight every day. He can't get the best of me. But we're going to fight. I'll get me a win. I can't believe Chad did this, man. I can't believe this man played like that and then turn around and talked about wheat.

No, how about you? What did you do? What did you do? Because I expect the check to be the difference maker. I mean, he made the all-defense team. Yeah. And he made third team all-MBA. So he was an office.

He's a two-way player. Yeah. Yeah. You're absolutely right, man. He must have been a radio. Y'all remember them CBs. You just come out in the same day and then walk into a day. Hey, make it up, brother.

Yeah, yeah. The 0077 portal wagon coming at you nine of the road. What is looking like up there? That's the only two ways he did. His defense wasn't that, his defense wasn't that good because Winby dunking on him left and right. Yeah, yeah. He didn't have no big games in series.

In his office, was 10. You didn't have not one big game. Not one. I'm just, but it, it irks me. I'm listening to this man talk. And this man. ain't putting, ain't said I one time. How are you going to hold damn sentence and the only,

and you ain't got nothing? The only time you said, I'm going to have to go back and watch the tape, Ocho. You know what you did because you were in the damn game. Hell, I don't want to watch. If I played that bad, I don't want to watch it either. I already know what I got to do. I'm going to the hide.

There's nothing to watch either, Joe. Uh, nothing to watch. You got two highlights. Yeah. You got two high-out. That's it. And they contribute nothing all series long and played your worst game in game seven.

Where it mattered most? You're going home. Yeah, you didn't even give yourself a fighting chance. That's my only thing, bro. I'm telling you, I can live with misshots, but damn, not even trying, bro. Like, we got you out here just running damn win sprints. You are all NBA player.

You are all... Bro, we need you take more than two damn shots. Yes. But Wimby, he's... Winby on him and hell. He was like, he looked at Wimby like when me and my brother was tussling and broke my grandma China cabinet.

I already know I asked him coming, Joe. I already know what, Jack come in. Hey, hey, man, what are we gonna do? Yeah. We can't, we can't, hey, the glass broke. She's gonna see. We can only stand in front of us. We can only be in the kitchen for so long

and have us. Hey, we. Before she said, boy, why you're in the kitchen? Get your ass out in this kitchen. You know you. Yeah. Hey, Uncle Joe, he won't say it. But based on us watching, based on us playing the game at a high level,

he was already beat mentally. He was already beat mentally, and you can tell by the way he played the game, based on the way he played in the regular season, the way he played in this series, having to deal with Wimby and knowing Wimby's there, when we took a soul. Wimby took a soul just based off competing alone. nothing else.

Listen. He's not mentally wired to compete. But I think. Somebody going at it. I think this will be a defining moment for Chet, meaning he got to take this summer seriously, fellas, and he got to come back ready and prepared. But that's the only way.

I think, okay, Ojo, that's going to be one guy that's going to be hard for OKC to get rid of. Because he's so young. He made all defensive teams. all NBA team, All-Star. It's going to be hard to get rid of that guy. Even if you're saying, damn, we can go get Yonnis.

Hey, you're going to have Yonis for what? Maybe two years. The thing is, Joe, is that if you watch his game, there's really no fluidity to it. It's almost like he's thinking while he's playing the game. His shot, I mean, he's going to,

hey, look how slow his shot is. On the three, look how slow it is, Joe. Yeah. It ain't, ain't nothing, ain't nothing fluid. Ain't nothing smooth to his game. Hey, listen, they only play, y'all do got to remember now. This is the one team that really got their number.

There ain't no other team can mess with OKC, bro. I think we kind of have a tendency to forget because they just played the seven-game series against the Spurs. But outside of San Antonio, I don't know if, I mean, yeah, If OKC has another team that gave, they will give them problems like the Spurs did. You're right?

I'm not sure it is. You know why, Joe? You know why? Because they were always able to hide him. He was always able to be help. But what happens when you can't hide it? Joe, you grew up in the country, you know we had that clothes line in the back.

Everything on the clothes lines said, my grandma, underwear, you hung on those on the fence. He couldn't nobody see those. You know what I'm saying? Everything else up there. My grandma, where we hung those on the fence and hoped the hogs didn't pull him down.

So what happens when we can't hide him? Look. Man, hey, hey. The man got to take a good look in the mirror, bro. Take some accountability. Try and do whatever he can to get better over the summer

and come back, prepare it and be a different place. I sure hope so. Come next season. Hold on. And the only problem is, hey, Joe, it's really not even being a different player, right?

All right, it's about improving, about working on your game, it's about your toolbox. Unk, I'm sure he'll probably hear some of the things that you've had to say, maybe having a little bit more fluidity to your game,

you know, but he doesn't struggle like this against anybody else, except one person. One person. And y'all going to meet each other again? Because you did say he's young, so the chance of him actually even,

okay, see, It's probably not. If you put the GM hat on, you think about it. Yeah. He probably ain't going to way. He's probably going to be there. And they're going to meet each other again. Guess who else he's also going to meet Ocho and Joe?

Who is that? Walk by the mirror every day. Oh, that's a good one. He's going to meet that person. Every single day. That might be good for him, though, you know, because it should piss him out to the point to where he should be, he probably should be in the gym right now working.

way the next thing. Yeah, because he only shot, he ain't tired. I mean, shade dog, he ain't tired at all. I mean, tired of what? You ain't, you ain't do it. Hey, you know who we need to Ryan and Joe, you know what is that? Can you imagine if he, if some of Shet, Fran, is some of us that, that, that, that, that, that let them jokes fly?

Yeah. And in them jokes, there's a little bit of truth to it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you, you'd be in the gym. Yeah, that's all he need. Quick. Black, quick. What you're going out with us for?

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