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Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Oklahoma City Thunder beats the New York Knicks, the Boston Celtics beat the Charlotte Hornets and clinch the playoffs, and Master P joins to talk about Uconn upsetting Duke to advance to the Final Four and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 06:05 - Thunder beat Knicks32:15 - Celtics beat Hornets49:35 - UConn beat Duke (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Guys, the game that just went off, the thunder beat the Knicks by the score of 11-1-110. Shea did nothing but strengthen his MVP strangle hole. He had 30 points of 8 of 18 shooting, but he got to the line 16 times. He made 13 of those. So he had 30. Chet chipped in with 16. Lou Dort had 12. Jalen Williams back, his fourth game back from.

from that long injury, he had 22 his best game by far in his return. Jalen Brunson did all he could to keep the Knicks in it, but it wasn't nearly enough. He didn't get enough support from the other guys. They didn't shoot the ball enough. Jalen Brunson had 32 points on 13 of 22 shooting on 4 of 7 from the three point line. But anytime Jose Alvarado takes the second most shots of anybody, well, third more shots behind Jalen Brunson and McKell Bridges,

you're probably going to have a problem. He took more shots than OG. He took more shots than Kat, more shots than Josh Hart. I don't think that's the recipe for success there. Joe, watching this game, what is it about the thunder that when they get in clutch situations, they put the ball in Shea Hand. He's going to get to his spot. One of two things going to happen.

He's going to get to his spot, rise up and make it. He's going to get to the paint and lay it up off the glass or you're going to file him. And he does this and he goes on these bursts by himself. He got a file shot. He went to the file and made one, missed one. Then he got all went to the paint. He laid it up. And then he hit a three.

And that was basically, that basically ended it right there. You, you, uh, uh, okay, Ocho, you can't, uh, you can't stop Shay from getting to a spice, man. Listen, the one thing I noticed when watching these dudes play, OKC, they got a bunch of dogs over there, but they know Shaded lead dog, okay? Yes. And when it comes down to, you know, to the club situations under five minutes, tight game, nip and tuck. Man, you know what that man going to do.

He's going to deliver. Like you said, he's either going to score the ball or he's going to make the right play, get an assist, or he going to get a foul. And when you talk about your top player on your team, that's what you want, bro. I know a lot of people get on the shaker. They're talking about he foul, bait, and all that. They ain't a boy good. You can't stop him from getting where he wants you on the court.

And then he just got so many guys around him. Uncle Ocho that play great and starring their roles, guys coming off the bench. Like, it just seems like a great atmosphere and they compete at the highest level. Like I say, they wear you down. They pick you up full court, wear you down, Brunson played, you know, a pretty good game. But like you said, their mother guys taking nine shots and, hey, man, you're going to have to force the issue a little bit against these dudes. You want to beat them, you know what I mean?

You're talking about getting to the finals coming out of the east and trying to compete for a title, you got to go through OKC, bro. Got to. You look at the file defile discrepancy. Yeah. OKC had 38 attempts, Joe. The Knicks had 17. Yeah. You're not beating them. You lose plus 21 minute fire line. Unless you make a boatload of threes,

I don't know how you keep pace with that. But they put a lot of pressure on you. They try to attack the basket. They make you guard without filing me. because they're going to call it. They've done a great job of creating, even if they don't get filed, they create the illusion that they are getting filed. Yeah.

And for the most part, they get the calls. And all superstars have had this stretch where they have two, three, four years where they just seemingly get every call. We saw that with Joel and B. Yeah. Saw that with James Harden.

We saw that with Cole. We saw that with LeBron. I mean, LeBron really never, I don't think, I don't know if he ever shot this many free throws, but he would get calls. I think the big guys have a harder time getting creating files because they're like bro you two like shak shack probably should have been shooting 20 free throws a game yeah yeah but because he's so big that's like bro but that's not

what james naysmith mitt or written in the bylaws well if you big you don't get the calls right but shay has done a great job and i i'm just shocked because if somebody would have told me of watching him in college if somebody would told me that he was going to be this ain't no way in hell out of believed it right no way nobody else seen that neither uncle Because if that's the case, here, he probably number one overall. Number one. You're right. You're right.

What you got, Ocho? Hey, I'm going to say coming out of the East, right? As much pressure is okay as the thunder put on you as far as going through the free throw line. You have players like Shay, you know, they complain Joe about him, foul baiting and him being able to manipulate the game and create those files, you know, get into a spot. Yeah. I mean, obviously the Knicks, the Knicks have to understand that and they have to just do the same thing. players have to take it upon themselves sometimes to be just as aggressive as he does.

That's not their game though. That's the only guy that puts pressure on you like that is Jalen Brunson. The other guys are not guys that put pressure on the basket. Cat is still foot tall, but cat really want to stay outside and shoot threes. Right. But that's the whole point. Somebody's going to have to adjust their game based on the people that they're playing. It's like if you play DV, you're playing certain receivers,

you got to change the way you play the game based on the person you plan that Pacific day. But let me ask you a question. If you're a DB and you play a certain receiver and you are pressed corner, how are you looking when you play off? If you are off corner and you try to press, how are you looking?

At the end of the day, I understand that we want to do this, but I got to do what I'm good at. And right now that's not where they're good at. Can't likes to play outside. That's what he is. He's a simple guy and that dirt. He has that dirt in the visky mentality.

Dirkwood post. I think, Dirk posts more than Cat does, Joe. He probably do. You look at Cat Do today with 18 boys. It's just, for me, I feel like he don't even know the mismatch that he is. If he catch it on the block or right there at the mid-posts and just give you, man, two bumps in a jump hook or a pump fake.

Like, I just like there's so much more that the Knicks can get out of Cat. And obviously, they're going to need to get it out of him if they want to, you know, advance in the postseason because, man, people are going to wear Brunson down. down, bro. Yes. You're going to wear him down. You need in the post scene, y'all know the game slows down. You need to be able to throw it down at a cat.

He either can get us a bucket or foul playing himself. Easy points, on Joe? Yeah, you've got to have that, man. You got, you got to have a difference. I mean, if you got a difference make on your team in the post, why not exploit it and use it to your advantage? I've seen a lot of times, man, OKC, had them a little bit of dudes guarding him. I'm like, hold on.

And where was he at? man, I know he out there stringed alone the three, but it was a couple times he called it in the post and he made some strong moves. I'm like, why not do that almost every trip down court? If they're going to try to w with these little bitty dude, man, please, I'm punishing them.

Yeah, I've always felt the cat let them off the hook. He let teams out the hook. Ain't no way you should be that big, that skill, seven foot tall. And just because you can shoot threes, and he shoots a pretty good percent from the three. That doesn't mean, let that be let that be an extension.

I can do this. Okay, y'all don't see. Hey, I'm, I'm posting. I'm playing with my back to the basket. I'm going to get to my spot. I'm going to get some easy. But just know, I got this three ball in my bag. Yeah.

It's almost like I want to shoot the three. Oh, man, it ain't fault. Well, let me go down here now. Bro, you don't, it's kind of you don't got out of a rhythm. Get to a rhythm first. Yeah. And he don't, and you watch him. Like you say, Joe, he can give two or three bumps.

He can up and under. He can throw the jump hook. or shoot the turnaround, the fadeaway. But he's just so in love. And I think he's created this thing in his head that I want to be the best shooting big man of all time. But, bro, they don't get no trophies for that, bro. I'm sorry.

No, I want to see more of a two-man game with Cat and Brunson. Yes. And Cat not always pop into the three. Man, pick sometimes short roll. Set that pick sometime, roll all the way to the basket. Yes. So you got to mix up your looks, bro.

You can't keep giving me a steady diet and ain't thinking I'm going to pick up on it. I'm going to pick up on it. You know what I mean? That's why we're going to be able to switch these little bitty dudes out on you when you set a pick and roll because we know you ain't going to be demonstrative down there in the post and demand. Punish. Yeah, man.

Hey, look, if I'm-huntish him. If I'm cat, okay, Ocho, I'm running down court. I'm sitting in the paint big, wide. Look, I'm going to get a three-second call it, Brunson don't throw it to me. Yep. Yeah, I'm going to get three seconds in the key. I'm going to let y'all know.

I'm here, man. I just feel like he's so talented. He can do that. And then once you kind of catch a little rhythm in the post, make a few easy ones, all right, then you pick and pop them with the three. Pump fake. Get to the basket.

I just feel like he has all those tools. And in order for the Knicks to be successful, man, we already know what kind of year there's got to be for them. They got to at least make it to the finals. Right. You know what I mean? Hey, I don't, I don't, I don't, they can, but I don't see them beat. Me personally, I don't see them beating Boston or Detroit.

And I think, I think sometimes an asset of yours can be a curse. I think his ability to shoot the ball is a curse to him because he don't rely on his height and his size to go down low. Because he'll let that three ball bail him out. And like you said, he's looking to pick and pop to the three. Look and pick the pop for a 12 footer. Yeah. Roll to the basket. Yeah.

Put pressure on them. Man, I wish that. the thing I love about Shack. Yeah. Shack, I wish you would put a little guy with Shack. Shack going to the front of the rim, and he's going to bring the house down if you got a little guy with him. He might get a charge.

But guess what? He's not going to let you dictate to him. Oh, I got to throw a 14-foot jump hook. Yeah. Obviously, Shack doesn't have the shooting skills of care. But I'm saying, Shack was big. He understood he was big. He understood that his size was in advantage.

So if you let me take, if you let me, if his size, cat size can be his advantage. But he allowed to be a disadvantage because he got him shooting three down to threes. But hold on, Uncle, Joe. This is the same conversation we have every, every time towards the postseason about the Knicks,

about cat. Obviously, having the tools, it's one thing to have the tools in your bag and not use them. Last year, you were saying the same thing about him running to the goddamn three point line, not being aggressive, not using everything he has in the toolbox,

to not only help himself, but help his team as well. Take some of that goddamn pressure off Brunson. What happens if the other four, the other three players aren't playing well? We got to be able to lean on you. When it comes to playing the better teams in the league, like your OKCs, like your pistons, I mean, whoever else coming out to goddamn East.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, he, I'm sure. If we always have this conversation for the Knicks, every time when it gets close to the postseason, and he's still not doing it, then it's just not in him. We have this conversation with him, not just the postseason.

We have this conversation about him all the time. That's really the knock that we have forecast. Yeah, yeah. I just think, you know, scoring 100 points these days, that's very low, fellas. You know what I mean? And with OG and Bridges, you know, they definitely have to pick it up. One of them have to play probably above their head. I like the additions that they made were Avarado and Clarkson.

They give them great, great scoring. and punch off the bench. So I think they can score the ball. They just have to be willing to do the small things. Whether it's Kat, I've seen how he was getting double team tonight, making the right play. But sometimes, man, you're going to kind of have to force the issue. You know what I mean? You're going to have to be aggressive.

You're going to have to assert yourself. So that way you can put your stamp on the game and they know you out here. You know what I mean? We game planning for Kat. We don't want to get him going. Man, you're putting some of them dudes down there in that post and then get that media and that three going. I promise you, bro, the Nixir, they'll probably.

look a lot better, you know, more competitive, especially going into the Eastern Cup, especially going into the playoffs. So in order for them to have success, man, he got to, he's going to have to be a new player, bro. Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, if he ain't done it by now, he ain't going to do it. He making itself one dimensional. It's easy when you're done one dimension and do the same thing every goddamn time and don't take advantage of your size. He's going to have to, oh Joe. He got to be a post presence, bro. They're going to need that. I promise you. Anybody other than Kimby, that guards can't, he should view it as disrespect. Man.

That's how skilled he is. Yeah. Those big, Joe, you remember back in the day, Shaq was looking at it, boy, if you don't give me Elijah Juan, if you don't give me David Robinson, if you don't give me one of these elite big men, what are you doing?

I'm going to punish you, yeah. That's how catch you look at it. If you didn't give me your best cover guy, oh, so really, so y'all got a linebacker, that's what y'all think of me, huh? Yeah. I mean, what they look like, they're not giving you one, they're not giving you the number one corner.

They got their, hey, they got their number two, number three on you. So that's what you think of me right now. Right. Hey, and that's why Shaq always talking about the bigs nowadays, you know, not demanding that ball in the post, not being a post presence, not taking advantage of the barbecue chicken that you got on you. You understand?

That's why he always be on them, bro, because when you watch the game, you can already see, you know, where guys can be effective. And for me, with CAT, OKC plays, they play a lot small. And it was too many times, bro. He let a little guy guard him. He got Caruso.

How do you let Caruso guard you? Or they put that, they switch out. I'm like, come on. Not Caruso, man. I know these guys. I understand Chet. I understand Hardinstein. They're big.

But, bro, look here. Give me, let me get that. Let me get that right here. This Chet legs. That Chet legs right there. and you got that man, you let that man root you up out of there. Hold on. Hey, what if the problem is, what you guys see?

Hey, Joe, what you see with Kat and Uncle, what you see with Kat and saying some of the things that he should do? Maybe he can't do it. No, we can't. He can do it. We've seen it. Oh, Joe, you realize Kat has scored 60 points in a game. Yeah.

Yeah. He's had multiple games in the 40s. I think he has, if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but I think he has a 40-20 game. Man, Cat is skill. You don't find. very many seven footers that is agile that can move like he can. Yeah.

I'm confused. Then what's the issue? Why not? If you're skilled, if he's as skilled as he is, is he not confident in his post game? Is he not confident, you know,

in his mid-range? I mean, it has to be something. My thing is we've seen him, you know, over the years, even this season, we've seen him put up 20, 20, 20 games, you know, so we know he can rebound. And we also know he can score. That's my thing.

I don't ever think it should be, you know, a time to where he's in single digits. That's, in points. That should never happen. Or rebounds. Yeah, or rebounds. You should never be, Joe, you seven foot tall. How to hell you get single digit rebounds at seven foot?

Yeah, he should always, but it's because he floats around and three a lot, so he ain't able to get, you know, down and get rebounds to come out as well. But I think he, I think he's the big difference maker for the Knicks for me, man. He has probably the best upside, especially in the postseason when it comes to a guy who can really play through because I just feel like Brunson at some point, you know, he's going to wear it out. Yeah, he going to play great. He going to have some good numbers, but he's going to need some help, bro. He going to need some help. Well, the help is, look, if you look at what they gave up to get McKell Bridges and McKell Bridges, they gave up all these draft picks, these first-round

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He was playing really well when it was there, huh? Well, they got him from, they got him from the Phoenix. And he was on that team with Book them and Chris Paul that went to the NBA finals. They ended up losing. They won the first two and then they lost four straight to the books. The problem is in Brooklyn, he wasn't playing no meaningful basketball. So he may have had decent numbers at 17, 18 a game, something like that. Ah, so it wasn't no pressure.

Right. Yes, when you play it. Is this different guys over than the garden? No, he's playing, he's playing on a losing team. It's easy to get numbers when you play it on a losing team and don't nobody give it is about you. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Now you're in a situation where they're like you said, on your expectations. Yeah. Yeah. Now getting 20 points on a losing team is a whole different ball game than getting 17 on the winning team. Yeah, yeah. Because you just arbitraedly just jacking up shots. Don't nobody care. Don't nobody care.

No. So then people are, oh, man, yeah, man, he average 25. Yeah, but they won 23 games. Right. Right. Right. So those numbers, get me good numbers that equate to winning. I don't care nothing by no 25 points and you lose it down me every,

every, every, what, four out of six games. I don't do nothing for me. You got low efficiency? Yeah. And like I said, this was one of his better games. He was six of 11, two for five from the three. Yeah. Me personally, I think some of his defenses slipped as well.

You think so? I do. Yeah. I think they can be better all around. I think they're going to have to. They can be better all around. I mean, that was a good test for him tonight, you know, playing the old Casey. You know, just keeping the game close at the end.

they kind of got away from them because they okay see got the MVP in shape bro you can't stop that you ain't i don't care what you do oh cho now if you run too at me you know i already know i got snipers on the backside out oh yeah they've ready to tell you up so you all you only want to get into them problems so you're going to deal with this you're going to deal with it you they got it like i said i don't know i don't know if they can be boston i don't know if they can beat detroit i think detroit i mean look we'll see what k's situation is how soon can he get back. Obviously, they're not going to play them in the first round, but I don't, I, I, I would not put any amount of money that meant anything to me of them beating Boston in a seven, in a seven game

series. Not with Tatum rounding back in because he's going to have probably 15, 18 games up under his belt by the time they hit the playoffs. So by the time they would have to face the next probably would be the second round. Yeah, I wouldn't have them being Boston either. But, but, uh, Detroit's scary too. They've been playing well. Yes. No, Kay, been out. That little Jenkins kid who's been starting at the point. You've been played well. I don't know where he comes from, Ocho. Hey, but when you put him in, he cut him up.

If you blink, if you squint your eyes a little bit, you might see John Moran out there. You're like, hello, who is that? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he showed me something when he played the Lakers. He showed me something because they put the ball in his hands. Yeah.

And he went, got to his spot. And I understand, Cade wasn't there. But they didn't play through Durran. They didn't, hey, they didn't try to run nothing for harder. They didn't try to run anything for Robinson. No. And he went in this kid's hand. Hey, and he went at Austin Reeves.

But I think overall, look, I'm not concerned about Jalen Brunson. I'm never going to be concerned about him because he's always going to play well. Yeah. If he's on the court and he's going to play well. Right. I worry about the other guys. They got to come along with him. I'm not worried about Brunson.

These other guys, OG and Kat and Hart and Bridges, they're going to have to come with him. And when one of these, and they guys go to the bench, they're going to need Jordan Clark to step up. because they got him for bench production. Yeah. Coming off the bench, we know he can go on a heater. Yeah. He can score 10, 15 points and a quarter easy.

Yes, sir. Yes. Yeah. Ararado needs to be that pest and knock down open shots when giving the opportunity. But they're going to have to play better collectively if they want to go further than what they went last year. I agree. I agree. They got the personnel. They got the tools, bro. They just have to, you know, put the attitude with it. You know, I'm really speaking on cat. You know, I like Clarkson and Avarado coming off the bench.

And I know in a playoff series, I know one of them going to win me at least a game or two. Yeah. I think they'll win you a game or two. But if I got cat playing the right way, being demonstrative down there in that post, bro, and working the perimeter when need be, he can be unstoppable, bro. He can make the game easier for everybody. And I think that's another – I think that's why, you know, you don't see – I think you see Bridges and OG kind of struggle a little bit because they need somebody who can demand a double team, bro.

So you can get them guys some open shots, some backdoor cuts. You know they tell us, Uncle Ocho. Yes. Instead of leaving it all on Brunson, the play, make, and score. Right. We got to get this ball to cat a few times. Hey, a big fellow, we need you to get to that bump, bump, jump hook, pump, fake. We need you to do something.

So these dudes will start doubling you. And now you can start to spray out. Now we can back the old cut and get some easy. I ain't doubling this big ass from the three points. line, get his big ass down on the block, I might consider doubly. That's all I'm saying. So until he get his ass died out of Joe.

Mm-hmm. And then like you said, not one of those guys, because like you said, there are slashes, McHale Bridges, slasher, cutter. Yeah. He died to the basket, he and OG, get some easy buckets.

Yeah. But when you out there where they're at, yeah. I ain't doubly you. I packed the paint. Hey, I don't go and Joe. When it comes,

when it comes to creating their own shot, getting it off the muscle without any help, I'm not saying really calling, playing and calling ISO. So Bridges, Bridges and our OG not good at that, huh? They can do it, Ocho, but, you know, that ain't their strong part. They ain't they strong part. You know, they'll give you flasher.

They'll have games to where they go off the dribble a few times, get by their man, you know, pull up for a jump or get to the bucket, dunk on you or something. But for the most part, them guys are going to be space and they're going to be cutting. They catch and shoot. They're going to defend, play the pass and same. They got to make it tough for your top scores on the other team. That's really what you need them for Because you brought them really to the Knicks

Because of Tatum and Brown If we just want to keep you're 100 You know what I'm saying You want to be able to match up with them two wing guys If you ever meet them in the postseason Right So until then That's when they're going to need to show up bro

Yeah But the problem is the day OG is not quick enough to stay in front of Shee That match up I'm gonna that's what we got you for Yeah This is what we got you for. Yeah.

We got you four. OG is not flea. OG is a better matchup for a big body guy, a bigger guy, a three or four. He ain't dealing with no point or no two that can take it off the bounds. He too, that's not him. His lateral is not good enough. Hell, who can't guard Shay? Nobody.

But he definitely not. He too big. Hey, listen. Did you see, did you see how easy Shay was getting on the edges of him? Man, listen, once he gets lower than you, It's just for me, when I watch Shea Ocho, it's like he look at the defender, not necessarily even looking at the guy who guard him, bro. He's looking at where the help is possibly going to be coming from soon as I blow by this man right here.

You know what I'm saying? He already two, three steps ahead of the game. Great scores, they never worried about the guy who's in front of him. They just want to know, okay, when I beat him, who's going to step up and try to stop me next? Okay, boom, if he do, then I'm going to spray out for three, or I'm going to throw the live, Well, I'm going to yam this thing or get to my floater. I just feel like he's so great at that, anticipating, you know what I mean, getting by his man, lowering him to sleep, going from slow to fast to when he hit them breaks.

Yeah, all he needs is a split second. He's going to get two, three seconds when he hit them breaks on you and hit you with that snatchback. And you're now almost told you ain't going to touch earth. It's a round. He got too much in his bag, bro. He got too much in his bag. And the thing is, he shoot the three of well enough that you're not. you can't go under.

There you go. Because he's going to call for that. He's going to call for the pick with Hartinstein. He's going to call for the pick with a Chet. And what you're going to do? Nothing. Nothing. The best thing, I mean, the only thing you probably can do, Joe,

is probably trapping to get the ball out of his hands. But like you said, he ain't got guys that can shoot the ball well enough. And at some point in time, I'm going to say, you know what, Chet, Hardinstein, Lou, you got to beat me. Hey, look. Chad is proving it. Check, check and beat you. Yeah.

I mean, excuse me. Shea is proven. Yeah. I got to take my chance with somebody else a joke. But my thing is, those guys, when I'm talking about Chek and Hardinstein, they've already showed that. They know, okay, boom, if the defense changed the coverage and they go to a trap on Shea, and I'm the man that's open.

As soon as I catch it, I'm looking right to the rim because I know I got check under the goal or Hardenstein on the goal. We're going to play the two men, or if the wing drop in, I'm spraying out the three. They play that three men, that three on two so well. Yes. It's hard to trap him. That's why y'all never see teams trapping him. You know what I mean?

Because they're going to make you paid. And they're playing that three. You got those big ass guys. You got seven-footers at the dunker spot. Yeah. And they make great decisions when they handling the ball. That's the biggest difference. They can playmate.

And they're going to make you that three on two. You ain't going to be to do nothing. Two seven-footers and a guy out there shooting the level off that thing. Boy, you're in trouble. The Celtics are headed to the playoffs. After beating the Hornets today, that's 12 straight season in which the Celtics has made the playoffs. That's the longest active streak in the NBA. Jason Tatum today, 32 points, eight assists, five rebounds, 12 or 23 from the floor,

five of 10 from the three. He was plus 15 in 31 minutes. Jalen Brown didn't play, but in his absence, Peyton Pritchard, 28 points, 10 of 18 from the floor, two of six from the three point line, a six of six from the free throw line, and a plus 12. And, you know, hey, you know, you got 32 from Tatum. You got 17 for Quetta. You got, but it was, it was Peyton Pritchett. And that guy, man, look, man, he got to be the sixth man of the year.

Why you bull, Javit? Who, Pritchett? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey. Hey, he's nice, boy. He definitely, he definitely got to be the six men in the year. Hey, and if you're a young hoop out there, man, just watch this dude, man.

Watch Peyton Pritchie, bro. It don't matter if he's starting. If he come off the bench, attitude the same, game still the same. Yeah. You know what I mean? It don't matter who out there with him, whether it's J.B., Jason Tatum, or he out there by itself. That man going for yard.

You hear me? Yeah, he gonna do his thing regardless. I love watching him play. And he compete on both ends, bro. I love it. And love it. Compete on both ends. Hey, I'm trying to understand how young Bull, I think, what he, maybe is week three for him.

God damn Jason Tatum. He's coming off ACL. You know, you started out 14. Then he got, then he went to eight. Achilles, my bad. And then he got about 18. But we about in week three right now, J.B. don't play and Tatum then took over.

30 or two tonight? Yeah. Yeah. In 30 minutes. Man, buddy, nice, boy. Yeah. His efficiency is coming back. You know, it's going to take him,

it's going to take him a couple of weeks. I understand that he's been, you know, in the tub and getting up shots and everything. Yeah. But it ain't the same as with. and bodies banging on you and you're running into people, and you're getting up and you're coming off picks and you're doing all this stuff,

and you got to slide your feet and guard people. So you got to get your conditioning. Because the hardest thing to do, everybody can shoot the ball when they rest it. Yeah. Yeah. That's what separates the good ones. Yeah.

And the great ones is being able to shoot the ball when you're fatigued. Yeah. Everybody run fast in the first quarter. How fast you're running in the fourth quarter? Oh, yeah. And you know what else too? Not only that, you're conditioning,

but having your legs. up underneath you too. Yes. Once you get your legs up underneath you, and the only way to do that is by actually, you know, playing the game. I don't care how much you practice. Yeah, this, um, it's, go ahead, Joe, go ahead. Basketball is a rhythm and time and game, fellas. You know what I mean? And the layoff that Jason Tatum has had, it's going to affect you. I don't care who you are. You know what I'm saying? When you come back, especially, you know, late in the season like this,

yeah, it's going to take you a few weeks to kind of get your bounce back, get that swag back. But you won't, he was, he was, you know, he was. willing to do that to try and gain momentum and confidence and rhythm before the postseason gets here because he knows how important. And he knows the chances they got, the opportunity they have to get back to the finals. And, man, he looked good, bro. He don't look like he's lost a step. He just looked like he's a bit rusty.

His timing has been off. But for the most part, he hadn't really, outside of that, man, it looked like he right back on track. And like, I mean, anytime you, and you can have, you know, like you said, you put Prayton Pritchin in the starting lineup, you bring him off the bench, you know what he's going to give you. He's going to give you great effort on both ends. Probably going to get you somewhere between 12 and 20 points on a given night and can give you as many as 35, 40 if you're not careful.

Hello. Hello. But their bench, you know, a, uh, uh, Sharman, look, 14, and they shoot the three. How old. three really well. Now, they're going to get up a bunch of them now. Man. I mean, they only got up 34. They only got up 34 threes. They're normally in the 40s, Joe. You know, they normally in the 40s.

Uh, Missoula try to get up 53s a night. Hey, listen, you said only 343s. Yeah, only 34. It was just never like this, bro. When I came into the league, Uncle Ocho, it took you three, four games to shoot this many three. Yeah, yeah. They're doing this in one game. And yeah, you're right. Typically, they're a lot, they're a lot higher. They're in the 40s. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They got 77 threes between the two teams. Man, you go a week. You go a week. That's why if you go back, go chart it and look at the number of threes that's being taken. And every year is going up. Yep. Every year, it goes up.

Hell, I remember when they put the three in in 79. Man, boy, the only time you shot the three, 24 second clock about to go off or at the end of a quarter or half. That's it. Boy, do you shoot a three if you want to? Come here. You want to shoot that shot. over here with me. Come sit down.

Yeah, right here. I got a spot for you. Hey, Joe, what do you think about how the game was when you played and how the game is now? You think the game has evolved for the better? Yeah, I think it has evolved for the better, Ocho, because what the consumers, meaning the fans, what they want to see is, they want to see exciting, high flying, up and down. They want to see a great pace. They want to see high scoring.

Yeah. They want to see lives. They want to see the threes. Hey, look, the fans are the one who, people. pay the bills. You know what I mean? Yeah. So they wanted to speed the game up. They wanted to look better. Versus just walking the ball up the court, throwing it in the post, and living and dying off that. Now, you know, it's just, it's pick and roll. If you can't run the pick and roll, if you

can't catch and shoot the three, if you can't run and rim run and catch a lot, right? It's hard to play now. It's hard to play. It is. And I think the thing else is that when you look at it, you just, you look at it, Joe and Jordan said something that today, hold on, let me pull this quote up. Because, you know, people, because when I say this, people are like, oh, but you don't know what you're talking about.

You don't know what you're talking about. That Jordan said today. Jordan said, players 20 years, players 20 years, couldn't do the things players can do today. Old concepts don't work against bigger, faster players who can jump higher, players who can create. Yeah. They had great shooters.

There's just more of them now. Yeah. had big players back then. There's just more of them now. They had fast players back then. There's just more of them now. This thing called evolution. Yeah.

Yeah. Getting bigger, faster, stronger. They know more. Technology. An ACL would ruin NFL players career, Ocho. Not guys coming back in seven months. A Keywood was a death sentence for an athlete. Now, Jason Tatum back playing looking like Jason Tatum.

Yeah. Tommy John, sir, you're looking. Now look at Tommy John, look at what they can do. Dr. Neil L. L. Trosh and all these noted orthopedics. So this notion, I get it. I get this thing called evolution. Guys in the 20s were better than the guys than the tens. And in baseball, you got the 30s, the 40s, the 50s and 60s.

Now, the batting average is because, like Joe said, Ocho, you said, what do fans want to see? They want to see home run. They don't give them down if you strike out 50 times. Just hit two over the fence. Oh, you see how far he hit it? Yeah. distance on no damn home run.

Now they got exit velocity. He hit the ball out of the park at 110 miles an hour. It went 472 feet. And football, now they got all these things. How fast a guy running on the show? We have nobody. They tell you how fast. How do you know how fast he running?

Hey, they clock everything, huh? They're taking all data. Because what? People, fans like that. Yeah. Man, ooh, but you see, I fast on your running their ultra red 22 by an hour. They like that.

So guess what? That's what you like. I'm going to give you that. So guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to change the rules. I don't want you to see. Hey, it's still a physical game, but that incidental contact,

we don't want you landing on the quarterback. We want Brady. We want these guys to play. Yeah. You know, we don't want you to, the fans like offense. So every league has created. So the offense.

is in play. Yeah. So you look at basketball, look at all these points. You look at football, you look at all these points. May don't nobody want to see no damn 10-7 ball game?

No 13, no 14, no 17-14 ball game. Yeah. I'm trying to see 31, 35. I'm trying to see 45. That's, you know what they've done, Uncle Joe, especially I can only speak on the football part of things, is they've made playing defense that much difficult

for D-D, for D-Tackles, you know, for linebackers, because now you've got to be, cautious and you can't really play the game the way it's supposed to be played. They've handicapped everybody on the defensive end. Hell, they've handicapped the coaches that coach on the defense on, you know, on the defense end. Because you can't play the game the way it's supposed to be played because now you've got

to be careful and weary about everything you do. Yeah, right. Whether it's tackling, whether it's hidden, the quarterback. Now you, hey, um, you can't even tackle the quarterback and you can't lay on him. You got to fall to the side. You want me to hurt myself instead of hurting him. Yeah, it's, it's weird. It's the same thing in basketball, though, Ocho.

You know, you can't hand check. You really can't touch a guy for real. That's another reason why the scoring is up. Yeah, it's more spacing because you don't have the four and fives just clogged up in the paint. Everybody always kind of spaced out. It's like a four-hour one-in. You got one guy who may be posting or picking, rolling, and diving. But for the most part, it's the same thing.

You can't be physical. It's hard to bust through screen. You know what I'm saying? You bust through a screen. That's going to be a five now. You guard your man, you may give him a little body check. That's a file. You can't hand check.

Like, it's so many different rules to where now you have to, you see guys out there guard like this. You're like, man, I ain't touch it. I'm going to scope forward on you every time. You guard me like this with your hands up. But also, Joe, back then in the 80s and 90s, it was all about physicality. See, they thought they were sliding their feet.

They just wanted to beat hell out of you. Come down the lane, they file your ass hard. They're like, oh, yeah, that was great defense. Now you can't do that. Now you got to be really skilled. You see, if you notice most guys that play, you just can't be a defense. You got to be able to knock down a three.

You got to be able to do something other than file hell out of somebody. Joe, you know these guys, all his sole purpose was to do was to file, rebound. Yeah. Boy, you better be able to do something offensively now to get your ass on the court. Oh, yeah. Because, hey, it's going to be hard to play. Because if you are liability, I don't care what team you play against.

They're going to expose you. If you can't shoot, okay, you, you don't. You're roaming. You guard him. I'm guarding Ocho. Ocho can't shoot. I ain't even guarding you, Ocho. I'm going to roam around. I'm going to help him. You know what I mean? So, therefore, you turn into, I think the player the most who has been rewarded the most behind it or who uses it the best is Draymond. Because if you don't guard Draymond and he got the ball, he's going to a dribble handout. And then now you got Steph coming out for a three and ain't nobody nowhere to be found. You feel, right? And he's self-consciously, he knows that

When he get the ball, he wish you would be not guarding him. He's going straight to Steph. He's going to find him. You know what I mean? I think that play is great for them because Steph, obviously, being the best shooter that God has ever created. And Draymond, you know, being so smart and savvy and high IQ, he's understood how to make himself valuable in that system.

You know what I mean? So everybody, I think we take that for granted. Well, a lot of people take it for granted when they watch Draymond, but when I watch him, that's exactly what I see. Boy, I love to have somebody like that on my team. You hear me? Hey, hey, so, Joe, when you say something like that, when you talk about the system and the system that Draymond is in,

obviously there are certain players that play on certain teams and he worked well in a certain system, but they go to another team and they don't play as well. They don't adapt as well to another system. So you're saying what Draymond does with the Warriors, if he went to any other teams, he would still have the same type of success based on what he's able to do there? If they implement that system,

I think it depends on what team we're talking about. Now, if you throw him with the Chicago Bulls, hell now, you know what I'm saying? Right. He probably ain't going to look good in that system. But you put him with a guard that can shoot or actually play because he can play the point guard. And like I said, he knows that teams ain't going to guard him offensively. They don't think he'll threat. So what's the next best thing?

I'm going into a pick and roll or dribble handoff. I'm going to always be a playmaker out here. So I think he, out of the hell, I think he's been leaving. the Warriors in a sense over the past few years. Okay, Ocho. But it has to be a guy, Joe, but you said it right, though. It's going to have to be a guy that you can hand the ball off to

and he can shoot the ball. Now, if he played with Dame Lillard, absolutely. Because that's another guy that can catch, that can, you take the ball out of your hands. And Draymond does a great job. You think he about to hand it off? He'll keep his dribble alive and go to the basketball. There you go.

There you go. So yes, it better be somebody that can shoot, a guard that can shoot the basketball because he is extremely smart. And he knows he's been in this system so long. Draybana catch the ball and automatically know. So you know what, Steph in the far corner. And he'll just get the ball and turn.

Yeah. Yeah. And then comes Steph letting it go. Yeah. Yeah. Very intelligent. But you have, but he's created a system and it's okay. Had I not gone to a team that didn't have the age back position,

I don't know if I'm the player that I became. I went to a team, one of the three teams in the NFL that had, that had an age back position. What if I go to a team that they just want to run the football? What good of the 220 pounds tight end? What the hell he's doing? Right. Getting in the way?

So Draymond was in a situation and he made the most of the situation. Don't be mad at Draymond. Be mad at other guys that's not as talented that teams are trying to make them shake or they're trying to make them Luca or James Harden. Yeah. Be mad at them. Don't be mad at Draymond because Steve Kerf had a sister. that says, you know what, you're going to be our Scotty Pippen.

We can run the office through you. Yeah, yeah, you're right. And he took their role and ran with him. I'm talking about starred in it, became an all-star in it. Like, he has, man, look, if I'm a dude who can't score, all I'm bringing is energy and effort. And hopefully I'll get into a situation to where I'm playing with some good vets. You know what I mean?

To where I can put my imprint stamp on the game. Like, it's so many different basketball type players that you can become nowadays to be effective and make a lot of money, bro. You ain't just got to be a score. But whatever it is that you do, you got to be damn good. Yeah, you got to do it well.

You got to be damn good. But you know, hey, everybody like offense. When they say baseball, what do chicks dig, Ocho? The long ball. The long ball. Hey, you talk to some girl. You tell her you play football. What you play?

What you play? You quarterback? You're running back. You wire receiver? No, you know, they got other positions on the damn field. I'm a D-B. Lineback. I'm a D-tackle.

Oh, you scored touchdowns? No, I'm preventing them from scoring touchdown. So, but no, Dremont, you look at Dremont. I don't look. And plus, he don't get upset about no shots. I mean, there's sometimes Dremont have two points. but he might have nine rebounds, eight assists, two steals and two blocks.

There you go. And he's good on defense too now. You got to have your role. What is your role? Yeah. And look here, everybody can't be, everybody can't be the entree. Somebody got to be the appetizer. Hello.

Hey, somebody got to be the bread. Everybody can't be steak. Everybody can't be crab leg, lobster. Well, damn, you don't want to be the dinner salad? You're a part of the meal? Then we got all play a role. Yeah, we got to play a role in this. But everybody went, man, we got to sell, man,

man, if I can't beat the meat and potato, I'll be, oh, oh, shit. Oh, man. You know, that gets so many guys kind of, man, they, man, they need to give me the rock. In front of Chase, in front of T.O. In front of boss, Jerry. Right, you know, man, man, I'm telling you, bro. Hey, if they give me that rock,

Bro, you do realize we see you in practice, right? Yeah. It ain't what you think it is. Yeah, yeah, trust me. They ain't ever, they ain't ever give you the ball. I promise you, if the top, if all 40 receivers get hurt, they're bringing somebody in before they put you out there.

I'm just being honest with you, bro. I'm just being honest with you. Oh. So 36 years after Kristen late, they hit the butter beater and you con in the elite eight to send dude, to the final four, the Huskies got their revenge. Yukon freshman Braille and Mullins stole the ball,

birded a three-pointer from 35 feet to cut cap a remarkable 19-point comeback to give the Huskies to 73-72 victory. Duke has zero titles or title game appearances since 2015-16 despite having, look at these names, Joe, Nocho. Yeah. Brandon Ingram, Luke Canard, Jason Tatum, Frank Jackson, Marvin Bagley III, Gary Trent Jr., Trayvon DeVall, Wendell Carter Jr., Zionionn Williamson, R.J. Barrett, Cam Reddish,

Tray Jones, Vernon Carey Jr., Jalen Johnson, Paulo Ben Carroll, Mark Williams, Kyle Philopowski, Derek Lively, Jared McLean, Cooper Flagg, Con Cinepple, Kaman Malachi, Sion Jones, and Cameron Boozer. Damn, man. Hey, this was an unbelievable game, Uncle Joe. This was the unbelievable game. I mean, for me, I'm sitting there on the edge of my seat, I'm thinking the game was over.

Hell, if they had a 19-point lead, I'm sitting here playing the game. I'm sitting here playing the game. I ain't paying no mind. Boy, I look up and they, wait, they didn't close the gap by two? Yep. When that dude got that A-N-1, I said, Duke, y'all in trouble.

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