Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shai scores 51 as Thunder beat Rockets, Kyrie hurts knee & Bengals Franchise Tee Higgins again

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” react to Shai erupting for 51 against the Rockets, Kyrie goes down with a knee injury, and the Bengals franchise tag Tee Higgins for a 2nd time. They also react to the Eagles releasing Darius Slay & much more!06:47 - Rockets vs. Thunder24:35 - Kyrie Irving’s injury 30:00 - Mavericks set to raise season ticket prices44:30 - Lamelo Ball 53:00 - Bengals add franchise tag to Tee Higgins again57:48 - Jamarr Chase cryptic tweet1:04:30 - Eagles release Slay(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho Ocho the Thunder beat the Rockets Shay 51 SGA his fourth 50 piece this year. And they all come in like the last six weeks. Jay were 22nd, he had 54. The 29th he had 52. They've worried the 50, he had 50. And tonight he had 51. It is his MVP to lose as great as Jokic is playing. And he's playing unbelievable.

SGA is the MVP. He's playing outstanding. He's controlling the pace of the game. Now, you look at them, they're deep. Jalen Williams, they got Kason coming off the bench. They got an Ozzel Joe coming off the bench that can defend at a high level. They got Caruso, another defender,

that can defend at a high level coming off the bench. We know what Lou Dordel is, a tremendous wing defender, but they got scoring at the yin yang. With Shea tonight, 51 on 18 or 30, five or nine for three, perfect from the free throw line. Jalen Williams, eight or 16, four or five from the three point line, four or six from the free throw line.

He had 24, Hongren had 11, Lou Doerr had 11, Hardenstein had eight, and then you had Wallace with 14. Wiggins didn't shoot the ball well tonight, but we know it's just a matter of time. Yeah. The Rockets didn't play bad, Ocho. You know, they shot 49% from the floor, 46% from the three, 82% from the free throw line.

But you allowed OKC to shoot 50% from the floor, 46% from the three. And they shot 89% from the free throw line, but you allowed OKC to shoot 50% from the floor, 46% from the three. And they shot 89% from the free throw line. And they shot, what, 10 more free throws than what you shot. But, you know, I joke a lot about the Lakers, but man, I understand what OKC is. I'm not foolish enough to like, you know, I joke with them, but you don't get to the record that they have Ojo and not be a good ball club. They're very, very good ball club. They're very well coached and they started to, they believe that they're this good. You know, not only they're very well coached, not only are they a good ball club, but you have a player like SGA.

He's not secluded. He's not secluding the other of his teammates around him. He's the type of player when you think about a Kobe, he makes those around him better. Everybody's scoring. You got to think he didn't got 50 though. He didn't got 50 or 51 tonight. And we not talk about him being selfish. You know how efficient you got to be where everybody else can still

contribute to the scorecard. Yeah. And then you still drop 50. Yeah. And you still drop 51, 50. Man, this is fourth one out of here. Fourth one in the last five weeks. And this is young.

Listen, young bull SGA is different. And like you said, it's his, um, his award to lose. Yep. But I don't, I don't see it happening. He's too, he's too consistent night in and night out to lose MVP this year. Listen, at this point they might as well give it to him. How many more weeks we got left? Three, four, a month. They got 60, they got 21 games. Let's see, they played 61 games, they got 21 games. Let's see they play 61 games. They got 21 games left. So they got 82 They did they're 50 and 11. So they got a 21 games left. Oh Joe

It might as well just go ahead and give it to him now. Yeah, and then I'm not me I mean no disrespect what Joker is doing. They might as well give it to him now Yeah, you know, he's playing unbelievable Joe. I mean you can't I mean look at his record Okay, what are you basing it on team record? They're no one in the Western Conference. Okay. What does this dad looks like? He I think if I'm not mistaken, I think he's second. He might be leading the league in scoring now currently, right? So he might be leading the league in scoring Their offensive rating is out to yin-yang. He doesn't turn them all over. He facilitates as you mentioned He gets everybody else involved involved

There's nothing not to like about this kid and it just goes to show you oh Joe He's turned them all over. He facilitates, as you mentioned, he gets everybody else involved. There's nothing not to like about this kid. And it just goes to show you, Ocho, you look at him from where he was as a rookie, and you look at how much better he's gotten from the time he was a rookie until now. That's why I say it's hard for me to believe. I'm not saying that everybody's going to take a meteoric jump like him, but it's hard for me to believe that you can do something and you practice at it that you won't get incrementally better. Better. You have to and now you know we haven't talked we talked about it how good he is on the offensive side of the ball you

know and his offensive prowess his ability to score putting the ball on the floor stuff like that. We forgot to mention his defense. We forgot to mention defense he's also playing defense. Yeah, he's out there in steals He does lead the league Ocho this year. He has the most 50-point games with four He has the most 40-point games with nine. He has the most 30-point games 38. He has the most 20-point games 59 so he scored at least 20 points in All but two of their games. That's new.

He leaves the NBA in scoring by over 300 points. So he's going to lead the league in scoring. Now look, I think he, Giannis, and Yoke will be unanimous MVP of, excuse me, unanimous all NBA selections. And rightfully so. But Shea, right now Shea is, Shea, if he's a unanimous MVP Ocho, as well as Jokic playing, as well as Giannis is playing, I'm not gonna hold you. I'm not gonna be mad at you.

Say you named this man MVP. Because that's how well he's playing. That's how well his team is playing. And so if you go back and look at it, look at with Steffalth 1 unanimous MVP, they were, that was the year they went 73 at night. So with that being said, yeah, it was an unbelievable game. And like I said, Houston didn't play bad.

Now they did not have Sungoon. They did not have Van Fleet. What's the, Dillon Brooks didn't play play they were without a lot of their key guys those are three starters right there But maybe it's a closer game. I mean they gave up 137 I mean you gave up they gave up the 63 at the half and then they give up a 39 piece and then they give up A 35 so you're not gonna win very many games if you give up 30 a quarter And that's what they gave up. They gave up the avenue that it gave up 30 a quarter And you're not gonna win a whole lot of games you put them on the fire line They shoot a bunch of free for a team. Yeah, they get to the fire line. Okay, so he gets to the fire line

They shot 27 and made 24 And you've created you you would think like hold on they shooting 30 plus threes and they still getting to the free throw line? Yeah, because Shay does. Because Shay is going to get to line 10 to 15 after the night. He's aggressive. He's aggressive from any big range. But hey, you ever watch his game, when he get the ball in his hands, he coming up court,

there's no wasting time. There's no playing with the ball. There's no at times when it plays and you know setting screens, but outside of that when it's one-on-one He's at you make a move and go. Yeah, he's he's he's taller than you think Yeah, he's a big guy. He's like he likes six four So here's a big point on six four is shortening be a you know that I'm not for a point it ain't So he's a big point. 6'4 is short in the NBA, you know that, huh? Not for a point, it ain't.

You don't think so? No. You got point guards 6'7 or 6'8, bring the ball up. You talk about Luca. You talk about Luca. Kyrie ain't that tall. Steph ain't that tall. Van Fleet ain't that tall.

You go, Jamar Murray's not that tall. De'Aaron Fox isn't that tall. Right. Oh, he's six, six. My bad. I, I shorted the man two inches. He's six, six. He's six, six.

And so when you look and the thing is, Ocho, the way, the pace in which he plays, he can post you, he got mid range. Now he's got the three ball that falls. He can get to the rim. So really offensively, he doesn't have any weaknesses. And guess what? You're gonna put him on the foul line. He gonna get to the foul line.

So now either you foul him or he makes it. Now the only thing that you hope when the ball go, cause he's in a zone right now, all you hope is that the rim don't like it and spit it out. That's the thing. You just hope it don't show like, damn, I that the rim don't like it and spit it out. That's definitely you just hope it. Oh, Joe, like, damn, I hope the rim. Don't like this shot. Hey, you got to have hope and a prayer for that, especially somebody

who's not been like that week, night out and night. This is the chance that you say it's only it's only a week left. I mean, not to try to week. We got three, four weeks left before the season, though. Yeah. But it might as well chalk it up. He's not he's not going to lay down now with that mentality. No, no. that kind of mentality because at the end of the day you still want to make you still want to my like All things being equal. I probably want to like have home court

So they're fighting with the Cavs on the other side to see who have home court throughout Because if it comes down to a situation and they both make makes it out of their respective conferences I want you to come to me I want game 7 if necessary to be an okay excuse me to be an OKC right but Shay is playing unbelievable he's from start to finish I think he felt jilted last year that they that Jokic won it I didn't have a problem with you winning it when you look at the numbers and what she put up yeah I think they felt bad. Maybe the voters felt bad because they gave him the Joel Embiid the year before because he easily could have

won it that year. And he's gonna be, he's kind of like LeBron and Jordan, he's always gonna be in that top three. He's a center. Yeah. Yes. And so, but Shea leading the league in scoring. He's up there in steals. The best team in the Western Conference. They're playing extremely well.

I don't see how anybody else other than him wins that MVP. And that's not a knock on yoke. I don't think Yonis has a chance to win it because his team record isn't what it needs to be. Now, if you want to throw JT in that mix, do you like Jason Tatum enough to put him in that mix? Considering how well the Celtics are playing, they're the number two seed in the East. But see, I think the thing for me is that I think the thing that works against Jason

Tatum and Chad, y'all let me know what y'all think. Are we sure Jason Tatum is the best player on that team? You know what I asked you, I asked you that last season. All I know is that when it comes to the awards. When it came to the playoffs, right? Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum, Jason this, Jason Tatum this, Jason Tatum that. When I watched the game, obviously, you know, for me, the game of basketball, I wasn't on top of it like I should be, you know?

So obviously, I'm locking in with you, watching the game, so I can be able to talk about the playoffs, and I'm watching the game, and all I'm hearing is Jason Tatum's name, but when I watch the game, all I'm seeing is Jaylen Brown. So I'm thinking to myself, in my head, well, wait a minute, based on all I'm seeing is Jayden Brown. Yeah, so I'm thinking to myself in my head Well, wait a minute based on what I'm seeing on TV It's different than what everybody else is telling me, right? So I asked you last year. Are you sure? You know Jason Tatum is for one one that can be in a position to be the face of the league but hell

Okay, he can't be the face when you're questioning whether or not he's the best player on his own team. That's gotta be definitive. That's gotta be undeniable. There is no ifs and buts about it. If there's anything, he can't. So how you gonna be the face, supposedly the face of the league, and you're not the best player on your own team? Because what we saw is one guy win finals MVP. We saw another, the same guy win with Eastern Conference MVP. We see that guy a lot of times takes the toughest matchups. He took Luca and still gave you the production that he gave you.

Normally, if you're asking a guy to give you that kind of production offensively, he needs to take a rest defensively. But that's not what Jalen Brown did. He hounded it. And then yes, he could turn it over a holiday. You take him. Okay, Derek White, but initially I'm going to start on him and

that's not a knock on Jason Tatum. I think he's a phenomenal player. He's won three first team all NBA selections for a reason. He's a two-time Olympic gold medal winning player for a reason. This is not a knock, but at the face of the league, Jason Tatum is a comparable, excuse me, Jaylen Brown is a comparable player. I got a question too.

And this is for the chat as well. Y'all tell me what you think. Let's say you take Jason, I mean, excuse me. Let's say you take Jaylen Brown out the equation and he's not on the Celtics. You have someone else in that spot. Jason Tatum still there putting up the numbers he's putting up this year. So is it for Jason Tatum being the MVP this year enough?

Is he still doing enough? No, he's not going to MVP this year. He can't do enough to overtake SGA and Yolk. No, it's going to be, it's, first of all, you're going to have to have a season for a guy to win the MVP over Yoke-age because his numbers are going to be this. He's going to be somewhere around 27 points. He's going to be somewhere around 10 to 13 rebounds. He's going to be somewhere around nine to 11 assists. So in order for you to win it, you're going to have to like SGA, average in 32-33.

Your team's success, you're gonna have to be, you know, 10 games above everybody else. That's, you know, Lakers in second, the Nuggets are in third percentage points. So you're 10-11 games ahead of them. So in order for you to win the MVP over Yoke, because he's gonna be somewhere around second or third, he might get the first seed, but his numbers are gonna be so good. Kind of like when Jordan, his numbers were so good, it took Carm alone to win his 60 plus games. Him averaging 27 and 12. Right. To overtake Jordan 30 and six.

And they had a slightly better record. But they work well together. I love the fact because a lot of times people would try to like, they need to get rid of one of them, the other, they both kind of similar. But they figured it out. They found a way to play together and realized it was mutually beneficial for the both of them to remain together as opposed to split them apart. Because we see that so many times.

Yes. It's robbed some teams of potential championships because one guy wanted to be the lead dog. And I don't want to be the lead dog. I don't want to be both of us in the harness together, side by side. I need to be the lead dog. And I love that JT and JB, they praise each other, they compliment each other. Yeah, I'm sure JB was

upset that he's like, hold on bro, hold on. I'm Eastern Conference MVP, I'm finals MVP, and you take two of my teammates? I understand, I understand JT because he was on a previous team and he's been a three time first team all NBA selection since then. Yes, bro. Y'all take two of my teammates. Yeah, you know that that you know that was personal on It's something you know, it's personal. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna leave that down So I'm glad they were able to I'm glad they able to able to work this together because they, they, they should be for the next five years. They probably should get a couple of championships because both guys are under the age of 30, a young team.

What is all depends. I think Prozegas is up after this year in Prozegas, a free agent. Uh, you got Derek White signed to a long-term deal. You got holiday signed to a long-term deal. You got Holliday signed to a long-term deal. It's a Peyton Pritchett who there he was a heartbeat off the bench. Right. He might get him a little cut. Somebody might break you break him off. You're like hey come on over here you can you doing that for Boston. He has one more year. They'll probably look to extend him. But Good game tonight. OKC moved to 50 at 11 with a 137-128 victory over the Houston Rockets. The Rockets dropped to 37 and 24. They were playing without Alfred Sangoon. They was Dillon Brooks and

Van Fleet who's been out for an extended period of time. Dillon Brooks did get, although he didn't play, he was dressed, but he didn't play? Nah. I am. ["Dreams of a New World"] Ocho, Kyrie was helped to the locker room after an apparent leg injury.

He stayed in the game and drained two free throws before leaving the court. Would Kyrie, the question is, Ocho, you want to put that Maverick's game up, Kyrie playing this kind of, and he has to, AD's out and you traded Luca. So now, and you out live lively and you're without Daniel Gafford. So he's having a long minute. Try to keep them afloat until AD comes back. But you put a lot of, you put a lot of, he's got to do an awful lot. Yeah. He's got to facilitate. He's got a score. That's a lot. When you think about what he has to do with AD being out a player like Kyrie,

of his caliber, that can run the offing, that can set things up, that can facilitate, that can get hot on any night, especially when he has to score. When the only thing is on him to lead the way, Kyrie can do that. So when you say it's a lot to ask of him to do, and he's the type of player, he's one of the ones that left Cleveland because he wanted to be the head dog, right? Right. Right. So listen, this this is your chance

This is what you can do, but he's finding out there's a lot more There's a lot more going into it. Oh, Joe. There's a lot more going into it than being the lead dog now Yeah, you're gonna score a bunch of points. Yeah, but at the end of the day people gonna be looking at you like bro. What's going on? Okay, I see you. I see you. What about that team? looking at you like, bro, what's going on? Oh, okay, I see what you're going with. What about that team? I mean, he's having the third most minutes per game in his career, and he's doing it

as he's starting to get older. Normally, the minutes decrease. You play, and you go back and look at Kobe, you look at LeBron, you look at Jordan, they're playing 39, 40, I think one year, LeBron played 42 minutes a night. Jordan was up there, Kobe was up there, but as you start getting 30 now you start coming back. Whoa. Whoa I need to be around somewhere between 35 and 37

What's the average of now? He might be average of 35 37 30 minutes 37 37 30 36 for that's a lot of minutes 30 minutes 37 37 30 36 for that's a lot of minutes And it's because the things there's a difference between playing 36 minutes and you got Luca running shotgun with you playing 36 minutes and you got a D 36 minutes and you got KD hard 36 minutes then you got LeBron right cuz you can be out there on the court for 36 minutes and you can coast KD gonna' get buckets. Harren gon' get me buckets.

Luca gon' get me buckets. LeBron, AD. Uh, bro, when you out there with the... You, you got the work. You know, sometimes, little Joe, you show up at the job, you just show up, you just there. I ain't doing no work today. I'm talking to everybody. Cause hey, I know everybody else gonna do their job. It ain't like that right now with Kyrie Dallas. And they're trying

to do everything they can to kind of stay in the sick spot. Don't have to do the play in. They avoid the play, you know, if you're in the sick spot, you avoid the play in. And so they hopefully, I'm sure they're hoping they can get ID back at some point in time, probably have him reevaluated in the next seven to 10 days and see where that goes. But I wish Kyrie a speedy recovery. Hopefully is nothing serious. What was it? Did he hyper extend it or did he step on somebody's foot and twist his ankle? Which one was it? I didn't see it though, Joe. Yeah, even on the replay, I still couldn't tell. He hybrid extend his knee?

But he couldn't put it he could put any weight on that foot it was his right foot to you know to be exact I'm thinking with them have the way they helped him off the court it wasn't a hyperextension I think he twisted his ankle a little bit and I'm not even gonna talk about my remedy to fix that. Oh he stepped on the guy's ankle and his knee kinda buckled a little bit. Okay. That's Valen Chunis, I think.

And wasn't that Valen Chunis he stepped on? Yeah. Yeah. He stepped on it, he stepped on his foot. Hey, that's one of the worst things you can do. You ain't gotta tell me nothing, I know. You're a hooper. When you step on somebody's ankle

and your eyes are looking up, so you're not ready for it, and the foot is already relaxed too. So you're getting all that, man, who that feeling? But hopefully it's nothing major. Hopefully it's just a simple little tweak. A couple of days, rest some ice and Kyrie will be able to come back because without

Kyrie, they're 32 and 30 right now. Where are they now? They're in the 10th spot. That's the last spot for the play in. It's not looking good. Nah. for the play-in. Yeah. It's not looking good. No. Which would be even worse for Nico Harris. If they if because at one point they were where they were, I think they were in the fifth or sixth spot.

And now all of a sudden, A.D. comes in, have so much promise and he goes out and now you slide and you miss the playoffs. And Luca or them are in the playoffs. They go from seven to two. Yeah. And you go and you go out. It Luca or Neymar in the playoffs they go from seven to two yeah and you go and you go Harris gonna look crazy up there huh yeah really he looking crazy as it is but you have so we find it you check this out don't you let me know what you think yes sir the Dallas Mavericks raised ticket prices, cite investments.

The Dallas Mavericks revealed that they're raising their season ticket price next season. I think about an average of eight, almost 9% just weeks after dealing Luka to the Lakers. The Mavericks says season tickets will go up by 8.61%, which is about 9%. And the increase is due to ongoing investments in the team and fan engagements. One fan tweeted, 30 days ago the Dallas Mavericks traded away their homegrown superstar, called him fat and laughed in the fans face about it. Today, they decided to almost double the prices of my season tickets from the past couple of years. The new ownership is disgustingly out of touch.

Hold on, not only are they out of touch, can you give me a better reason what team, what business actually raises prices mid-season? No, this is for next season. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Don't be getting your head up, let your say, like my grandad used to say, boy, save your pennies up so you can get it.

Oh, they let you know ahead of time, okay, okay, okay. I don't get what they say, but that's slightly disrespectful I don't and look if they had kept luka and say we're gonna raise ticket prices I don't think fans would have had anything to add nothing bad to say about that decision. No joke because it's luka Because normally you want to keep your home going homegrown guys. Well, definitely Especially if they want to stay because a lot of times they get you know you see Zion he wanted to leave, AD wanted to leave, LeBron ended up leaving, KD ended up leaving, Russ left, Harden left, Reggie Jack.

I mean so so forth and so the list goes on and on about you getting these guys and then them leaving. Luca from all from everything that I've read and people that was close to him that knows him, he didn't want to leave Dallas. Nah. The fans didn't want him to leave Dallas. Now, if you ask Philly fans, they might not be so disappointed if you trade Joe L.M.B. considering his injury history and he's missed as many games as he's played. I don't think the fans were disappointed when they traded Ben Simmons.

Considering the regression that they had started to see in his plate Luca we saw no regression We only saw Ascension in his plate and they traded it and after you trade him you have the unmitigated gall You have the audacity to bring your ass in here and talk about you raising prices Mm-hmm. No And listen, and you know what? You know what also, when Nico Harris makes a move like that, one thing that you can stand on is hoping

that whoever you trade for replaces the product that actually left. And it makes the fans forget about the trade based on your production and what you do. But he's been out. And then to say what you say, what's going to happen next year, what you've, but he's been out and then to say what you say What's gonna happen next year what you've raised in prices? Well, how about y'all fix next? How about you fix this either first? Fix the product on the court this season We wouldn't have a problem paying for next season if what we wanted and we were getting was on board this year

well What this year? Well, ain't no fixing this year. This is your team moving forward. The question is how soon does AD comes back and what's the severity of Kyrie's injury because if both is down for a substantial amount of time, this season is over. This season is over. You're not going to be without four of your top six, seven guys and think you're going to be make the playoffs. That ain't happening. and think you're going to be, make the playoffs.

That ain't happening. They're a good team. They're not that good. No team could overcome being without, say, a Kyrie, or AD, a Gaffer, a Lively. That ain't happening. So the only thing they could hope is hope and pray that within the next seven to 10 days, they can come back and they can go on a little run because they not it's not like they got a whole lot of game. It's not two months left in the season, Ojo. It's one month left in the regular season.

Yeah, and they need to figure this thing out. Um, but it's bro when you when when first of all fans like we already being pinched, when you when first of all fans like we already being pinched we already being pinched you see they cutting jobs and inflation and eggs and gas and milk and these prices are rising the cost of a family is rising and bro y'all just traded the person that I wouldn't mind paying $500 a game to come see. Y'all traded him and now y'all asking me to pay $750. Mm-hmm. Nah, hell no.

You think about, you think about, look at the landscape of the NBA, and you think about prices and how much tickets cost. There are two or three players on every team, on every team, I don't care how you look at it, where fans that put butts in the seats, we talk about two or three players that actually put butts in the seats regardless of what the price of the tickets are They make you forget about it

They make you forget about the economy because I know what I'm getting once I go watch these boys play. Yeah And you need superstars because at the NBA look it's all about a superstar That's why the Lakers try to move heaven and earth to try to keep them and for the longest time They've always had them They had I mean when they was in Minneapolis They had George Michael and then when they come to LA they had Baylor and they had Jerry West and then they make the trade Then they get will and then a couple years later They get Kareem and then they drafted magic and they get Bob McAdoo and they draft James Worthy

And then they make that they get shot and then they make the trade for Kobe And then they get LeBron to come That's what the Lakers do you have to have? Superstars people want to see superstars the best of the best or what they'll do You'll sell the building out when those superstars come Mm-hmm. So when Steph Curry's on coming to your town is gonna sell out when LeBron come is gonna sell out Yeah, I mean when Jordan was in league people team you already knew Jordan will be a sale out Kobe was in Shaq gonna be a sellout. LeBron was gonna be a sale out. You knew that

Bro, I want to sell out my I want my home games to sell out regardless Cuz we play it. Mm-hmm Not that y'all come back to playin'. Not that y'all come to see somebody else. Can you imagine what the price of tickets were at CoreSide when Kobe and Shaq were together? Oh my gosh. Can you imagine what the price, I know the price is probably extensive now and I'm sure it's going up since then,

but can you imagine what it was? Oh yeah, especially come playoffs or big game. They play San Antonio or they play, you know, who else was a rival of theirs? Oh, Sacramento was a rival of theirs. When they had Chris Webb and they had Jay Will. The Suns, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now, boy, Luca first game?

Yeah, which is gonna cause fly work, huh? Just, matter of fact, when you give me the price of core side right now for a Lakers game, use the NFL player's number currently right now. Don't tell me the number. Just give me your NFL player jersey number for better context. Cause I don't want to hear the price.

Cause it's gonna make me mad. You don't know. Well, you will be bad. First of all, they got, they got Luca and LeBron. So the tickets are already gonna be high at giraffe hoo-hawk to begin with. Okay. Now think about when his first game he played Dallas. Yeah. Now it's his

old team. Okay. Everybody wanted to see that. So probably you're probably looking at about, closer you go to center court the more expensive the tickets, you probably was looking at about probably five ticket for center court. Okay. Okay. I thought I thought I'd been, I thought I'd been in worse than now. Now you go to the playoffs. I thought I'd been worse than that.

No. Okay. Okay. But uh, but uh, come playoff time You deal with the Lakers. I mean you like some tickets on your you go sit court side fifty hundred two thousand dollars That ain't happenin' no Laker game Nah, and they also depends on the city you go to

Yeah, and the food now you get everything you mean you all the food free Right, but what you made for that ticket it should be right? You know access VIP. Yeah, cuz I had a guy have season tickets and you made me miss all my games Who did? Ocho Wait, how did I make you miss all your game? You could have just took me to the games with you. I started nightcap Huh? Cuz you started nightcap. Huh? Because you started nightcap. Listen, I started nightcap, but what you could have done is, is we could have been a part of a

consistent routine of going to the leg game, sitting courtside. You could have sat there and told me, you know, the intricacies of the game. How am I going to sit? How are we going to sit courtside and we coming on after the game? What are you talking about? I know Jenny Bush. she would have gave us a private room in the back. We get to set up our nightcaps up right there after the game in the stadium. Can you imagine? Nobody's doing nothing like that. No. But anyway, that's just, just an idea that those throw at you next year.

No, I'm good. I got to, I got to save my penis. What you saving for? Cause I don't want to work by saying, I don't want to do this for the next 10 15 years I didn't told you about saving the past two years. You talk about flying private jets and flying first class I know private jet You flew private telling you would so you ain't flying I told you it made that way We just there's no need to waste that kind of money. We can get to the same same place from point a to point B on another airline

You forgot about that you forgot that conversation. I mean sometime sometime, you know, tell me I want to enjoy myself Yeah, I want to enjoy myself. Oh So now you didn't did it 180 now. It's about saving money. Yeah, I'd enjoy myself. So now I got a save I like it. I like I like growth. Now if we can get the growth in other areas and other facets of your life, we're gonna be alright. Luca changed his mind on long-running Lakers fans conspiracy. A notable theory has sprung up that opponents are so determined to beat them that the engine players intentionally target Laker games for their returns. Just yesterday, for instance, normal Powell returned from a five-game absence to face the Lakers.

Two games earlier, Dante DiVincenzo, who had missed the previous 19 games. Before that, Dwight Powell had missed 16 games. Mello Ball played a total of 10 minutes in his last three games before the All-Star game, but played 33 against the Lakers immediately after the newest Laker noted that even he has spotted a trend Lucas laughingly said I didn't believe it before but they say if somebody's out for a long time and then they play against the Lakers So I don't know what to believe believe at the time, but obviously it's the Lakers. So I think it's normal Yeah, I think it might be coincidence It's the Lakers. Yeah, but you think people just coming back simply because you playing the Lakers

Lakers on tv Lakers are big. Yeah. What who you want to What I know is that what game that I know everybody's gonna watch what What game do I know is gonna make sports selling? 1000% Okay, okay. I got you. I got you. Listen, I would give you the say, but hey, you're on TV regardless.

If you're not on TV, depending on how you play, you can be on TV. You know what? With Lakers. I know for certain, I'm gonna be on TV if I play the Lakers. Okay, I got you. That's the, even though the Lakers are not the champs,

you gear up to play them. That's the Lakers. That's LeBron. That's Luca. That was Kobe. That was Shaq. That was Magic and Kareem and Worthy. Yeah, we gon' gear up to play y'all.

It's so funny how, if you think about the trio that had this mystique and aura about them, right? No matter what goes on, whether they're winning, whether they're losing, they just have this historical feeling or where everybody either wants to play against them or play with them. The Yankees? Yeah. The Lakers? Hold on.

I almost missed it. Yankees, Lakers, there's one more. There's one more to that trio. What, baseball? Dodgers? No, the Dodgers don't have that same, that same, um, like historic feel where everybody wants to play for them at some point. Oh, you mean the Cowboys?

Cowboys, that's what I was thinking of. I didn't want to mention them. I'm sorry. I didn't're talking about the Cowboys, huh? Cowboys, that's what I was thinking of. I didn't want to mention them. I'm sorry. I didn't want to mention them. I didn't want to bring them up. But again, now you understand for better context and what I'm trying to say about those historic franchises. Lamelo Ball is a name to watch on the trade market this summer. Following Luca Donci's trade, NBA executive Round the Leaves has expanded their horizon Lamelo Ball is a name to watch on the trade market this summer.

Following Luca Donci's trade, NBA executive Round the Leaves has expanded their horizon on which potential stars could next to change teams. The availability of Hornets guard Lamelo Ball is one of the stars several executives who spoke with Hoop Hype will be monitoring on the trade market this summer. Should teams be interested in trading for LaMelo with his injury history? Oh, see, you know what? Now that part, now when you say that,

it makes everybody pause, it makes everybody think. You take away his injury history, okay? Let's say you take away his injury history. Let's talk about what LaMelo Ball does and gives you when he's on the court. He's lights out, huh? He's box office. He's one of those individuals, you know what, with the court. He likes out, huh? He's box office.

He's one of those individuals, you know what, with tickets of $800, you know what, I don't mind paying $800 because I know the Miller ball is on my team. He's on our team. I know what I get when I'm coming to watch him. I'm gonna get my money's worth. Now, once you factor in his injury history

and what happens when he's out time to time, ah, you know, now you perceive a caution to the win. Factor in his injury history and what happens when he's out time to time. Ah You know now now you perceive a caution to the win Now that's the bad thing but listen anybody can get hurt It happens. It's a game of basketball. It's not it's not that much of a vibe as a violent sport is football But it's very physical Injuries are gonna happen. Especially in, you know, Lamello's small, huh? Is his frame.

I mean, he was six, seven, six, eight, really thin frame, his ankles are fragile. I mean, he might have to go through that with Steph. Remember, Steph was the same way. Steph stayed injured. That's why he got that little men contract. And then he just was able to stay healthy. That might be a situation, he might need to reach out to Steph.

It's like Steph, man, how did you, how did you, uh, like these ankle injuries, how did you, how did you eventually get over it? Cause man, there ain't nothing to play with. You talking to a guy that had ankle injuries and hell, I thought I was going to have to retire at 26. Man, my stuff was bad, don't you? You talking about step on somebody's ankle? I can literally step on somebody's ankle

and it will blow up like a catalog. That big? And the worst part was doing it on the road, cause guess what, I gotta get on a plane and fly back home. You know what happened when you get in there? With that pressure, swole right up even more. Yeah, yeah. You know, I wore those stockings.

You know, I put those on both my legs to keep the swelling down. Cause I swole a lot. The black one. Those white ones. No, those white ones. You know those stockings. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That I had those things on with your band. Cause band, look here, I get on that plane, man. My knees and ankle swell up. Yeah. Man, because I remember I was in Baltimore my last year, Ocho. I got my knee drained every week. Oh, wait a minute.

Every week? Every week. You mean, drained with the needle, pull out, mm-hmm. Leukis, blood. The first time I got both of them drained, Ocho, they got about 130 CCs off both ankles. I mean, both knees.

130 CCs, oh, you know how much 130 CCs is? Hell yeah, I know how much it is. How'd you even practice with that moving around? I didn't practice. That was the thing. They gave it off. I get my knee drained about three hours before the game. I would ice it, try to keep the swelling down.

Then they would put hot packs on you so I get some mobility in there. But I was probably getting 30, 40 CCs drought drone again. Man, but listen, you know what, let me, I thank God for being able to play for a long time with no injuries, you know, for as long as I played and as reckless as I played, I got hit really clean one good time. One clean hit in 11, 12 years. Outside of that was everything was basically normal. Like man, listen to some of your injury. Oh I was a peer cushioned, Ocho. I get something done, they're like, I don't know, sure. I say if I shoot it up, could I be able to play? Right. Shoot it up. You get that thing going. Shoot it up. Both shoulders, bad.

I separated both shoulders. Man, they put about three or four shots in, they put two shots in this with two shots in that one. Man, I was doing jumping jacks. Ah, ah, wait a minute. How you separate both shoulders? Rest your soul, Dave Doersen. I caught a seven route.

Safety, gotta be the safety. Yeah, oh, she caught, you thought with the bears He wanted to to but with the bears he was with the Cardinals at the time, right? Oh He landed on me crack Ground crack did he landed on top of me crack? Wait, so you you did both shows at the same time at the same time So you you did both shows at the same time at the same time Well if that is that I like that I like this old Joe

Hey the whole week. Hey, they put that medicine in there. Yeah, and you was good Did you did you wet it you were the hornet you were the harness let me tell you what I did, Ocho. So we played, we played the Raiders. I'm feeling good too, Ocho. I feel good. Man, we were at a Tom's crack. We had a forest crack. Right. And it was Ronnie. I think it was Ronnie.

It might've been Ronnie. I push up, the corner, the corner retreat, hit them with safety. Man, I hit that joke. I forget, oh Joe, I forgot. Yeah, you was messing. Because you know normally, if you got something hurt, you hit it with the opposite one. Opposite side.

Well, both of I messed up. So I just say, hey, so I just say it is what it is. Why? Hold your tears, just start curving down my face. Ah. Boy, that thing, Ultra, I don't know if you ever had that pain, but it feel like electricity go through your body?

Yeah, yeah, I know just about. It's like a pinched nerve, that pinched nerve feeling. It's not a good thing. Told you I did like this here. That's a Greek, I'm done. He was out after that and he was done? Yes! Man, he knocked all that medicine out of them shoulders.

Hell yeah, I was done after that, man. So, I understand having to deal with injury history. For two years straight, I shot up my ankle every week. Sometimes I had to shoot up both of them. It had gotten so bad, ask anybody that was in there, the skin started to come off my ankles. From getting it shot up so much? Yep.

And completely discolored. It's like I had villaligo. It was like as dark as I am, and it was just like pure yellow. Pure, I'll tell you what I like, white. That's funny. People, you talk about stuff like this this and everybody look at the glistening glamour when it comes to athletes And then you sit down you able to hear stories like this about the sacrifices Oh, yeah injuries that you got to go and we'll do it all over again as broke down as I am

I do it all over again. I'll take my black ass right back out there, but we grass Yeah That's absolutely not. Oh I do it all over again. I'll take my black ass right back out there. But regrets Yeah That's absolutely not. Oh You look if you play this game long enough, they're gonna be times that you like man I don't know how on Sunday or Monday Tuesday. I'm like man. I know way in hell I'm gonna be able to play right Greek Greek Antis would always like a sharp sharp, just, just think positive. Hey, we got, we don't have to play today.

If we had to play today, you probably wouldn't be able to go. But let's see how you feel on tomorrow. Let's see how you feel on Thursday. Let's see how, they kept that positive. I was like, hey, Sharpie, how you feel? Man, I feel better. I think I'm, hey, I might turn the corner.

You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Cause I wanted to play Ocho. Man, I know, look, I ain't gotta have. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Cause I wanted to play Ocho, man. I know, look, I ain't got to have no 20 year. I ain't no doctor, no lawyer where I can have a 25, 30 year career. I got a finite period of time. I'm gonna try to maximize it. And they let me know all,

Shannon, you know, you shooting up, blah, blah, long term. I said, bro, bro, let me worry about that in 30 years. Right now, I need to get out there. I got people depending on me. So I wouldn't, and that's what they know. I got to do what I got to do. Oh Joe, the Bengals franchise tag T Higgins for the second consecutive year.

The Bengals do not want to allow Higgins to hit the free agent market and will not turn their attention to negotiating a long-term deal So I'm not it has into July 15th to reach a new multi-year deal with Higgins or he'll make a fully guaranteed 26.2 million since the second time he will get tagged He will make a hundred and twenty percent of his now twenty twenty four salary bringing them up to 26.2. Right. Is this a deal going to get done or they making sure

they get something back on an eventual trade? Do you believe, do you believe they're gonna sign T to a long-term deal or they're gonna try to sign it and then trade him and get compensation? You know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure even at this point and understanding the value that T will get or what his value is right now on the open market. I think the Bengals understand that. I think T understands

that as well. Now also on the right side of things as a Bangle fan myself. True. Die hard Bangle fan. I would love to see them keep you know keep the trio together. I would love to see them keep the band together. The salary cap went up, huh? Yeah. The salary cap went up. I think it's like $279. Right. It's $279. But when I think about it, listen, Jamar Chase getting ready to be the highest paid and reset the quarterback market as far as contractually. So I understand that.

Then I'm not sure what they're going to do with Joe Burrow. Is he going to restructure in some sort of way to make wiggle room, not only for just T. Higgins, but for Trey Henderson, for other needs that need to be met. Henderson's going 130. Yeah, he ain't got to be. He see the market. He got 17 and a half sacks for the last two seasons. Yeah, you ain't got to tell me.

I know, I know. So, boom, what's going to happen? What's more important? Where are the needs that need to be met for us as a team? I know fans want to say, bring T back. I love T, but I also understand what T can get. I understand its value on the open market. Now, obviously the franchise tag,

you did it to me one year. Now, when you do it to me one year, basically you telling me, listen, we don't really see the value in you and give me a contract long-term. So what we're going to do is we're going to tag you. And that means they're betting against you. Yeah.

Talk to me, please. But people don't understand. Because if you thought, if you thought I was one out, if you, if you think of me, what I think of me, you give me a deal. It wouldn't be no questions asked. I'm the deal with it got done last year and now double back come this year again. T Higgins great year big game stepped up huge Yeah, he only played 12. I think y'all play 12 games little but he still had 10 touchdowns Yes, let's talk about it. He's like 75. He averaged like 75 yards a game receiving

No, if you extrapolate that over the full 17 games, we know what type of season he would have even with Chase doing what he did. And that's the problem that you run into, Ocho. When you keep pushing the Cairns down the road, okay, you push, you kick Jamar Chase Cairns down the road. And you see what happens. He gets the triple crown. Okay. You wouldn't do anything with Hendrickson.

Now he led the league in sacks back to back season when she's had 17 and a half. Okay, you franchise tagged T Higgins. Now he follows that up and he's like, y'all got to pay me because I see Jalen Waddle with years left on his contract got 28. Y'all mean to tell me I'm at the end of my contract and y'all think franchising me at 26 is good

No, I guarantee money. I need like 75 million fully guaranteed the first year. Mm-hmm. Now we can talk I'm curious. No more. Normally most of the time Teams use the franchise tag to their advantage. Not only this is a locker player, but when you do it for a second year I'm trying to buy myself some time. Yeah I'm betting that you won't have another year like that Right because what good is it Oh Joe if he has another year like that Maybe you want to sue both and say well, we got a super lot of we can let him go, right? That's because at some point in time

If you're drafting the type of player that you believe you are you're gonna be able to keep them all with you It's just it's just it's impractical You're not gonna be able to keep chase at 40. You're not gonna keep Joe at 55 You're not gonna be Hendrickson who he wants 30 T Higgins won't 30. Excuse me. Oh Are you going to go? At that at that number now they got a little bit more cap space. They waved out Alex Cappah, the guard. I guess he had a bad year. I mean, looking at it, he gave it most sags, most pressures, most hurries. So it was pretty bad. Jamar Chase posted this cryptic treat of Joe Burrow on Instagram.

What? At T. Higgins? if you can see it on your screen you like Listen even the players as fans fans and bangle fans they always come to They don't understand the difference in how the players feel From the business side of things as opposed to how the fans feel the fans think always so easy the cap is going up They're gonna sign everybody listen if you look at the reactions you look at the reactions from T You look at the reactions from Jamar Chase It tells you that things aren't as sweet as you think on the outside looking at all this To how the cap numbers have gone up good to have to think the Bengals have a franchise to run

They're saying they did not think about now they think about the foreseeable future. You know when it comes to their books They're thinking about the foreseeable future when it comes to their books. I won't long-term guarantee money. Well listen, they got till July to get it done. They got till July to get it done. Now me, as much as I want T to stay, I love T. I love my bangles. I love the organization. Matter of fact, I love the fans that argue with me back and forth, Zim Hude. I know you're probably going to see this. I love the organization. Matter of fact, I love the fans that are going to meet back and forth. Zim Hude. I know you're probably gonna see this. I love you too. And everybody else.

But I just don't see it happening based on what T is deserving of. And what Chase is going to be making. Chase going north of 40. Oh, yes. He's resetting the market. Yeah. He's resetting the market. He's going north to 40. Oh, yes. He's resetting the market up. Yeah But a simple fact you made you made me wait you dragged me T said I'll tell you what y'all like that 26.2. Give me that in guarantee money Give me 80 million for the guarantee

And then y'all can put it however you want to but I need to make I need to make I need to make 80 million In the first I mean 80 million in the first three years, don't you? Yeah, we good. We can talk, we can talk, we can play like that. I need to make 80 million, hey, give me 80 million dollars signing bonus, and then I'll play, the first year I played for like 1.2,

then I'll play for five million, and then next year I'll play for 10. Yeah. Give me a nice- Since y'all say 26 million, everybody talk. Okay, just go in and give me that. Yeah, and give me a nice lump sum and a signing bonus too, now. Give me all, give me, give me, give me 70 million signing bonus. Give me some security now. I need my nest egg in case something happens, just in case. Because I ain't going to lords of London. You don't take-

Hey, if I'm Chase, Chase said, y'all maybe take this $10 million insurance policy. I'm gonna factor that in with y'all negotiate. So y'all gonna give me that back on top if I have to take out another one at some point in time. Hey, listen, the game is a game, huh? This is the football. And this is why I wouldn't want to be owner.

I wouldn't want to be a GM. I wouldn't want to be in a position of Katie Blackburn Mike Brown Troy Blackburn in a situation like this with a team this great with players this great and it's time to pay I just wouldn't want to be you have to be ahead of the curl. Do you believe teen Higgins? Let me ask you a question. Do you believe chase in the next three to five years? Will not be a top three receiver if you don't believe you believe he'll be a top three receiver you signed him last year Because you're paying him based on what you believe he's going to do moving forward Now what he's done in the past because I've already paid you for that. So if I give you 35, $36 million,

that's because I believe you're gonna be a top three receiver and in two years, this money will be obsolete. Now I got you for another two years, Ocho, at 36 million when the going rates from probably be 42, 43 million. See? So that's what you have to do. You have to like, a lot of times, O't show you have to buy something like man. Look here What people look what if you were doing investments people buy gold people buy?

Commodities based on believe they're going to go higher So at this price, although it seems steep. I Buy for a little. Mm-hmm When it moves up, now I got it. Right. And that's how you have to look at these players. Michael Park, did you, okay you saw Michael with Defensive Rookie of the Year and he's been in the MV, the Defensive Player of the Year discussion. Yeah. Why are we waiting till this man get all the way to the end of his contract before we think about doing a good long-term deal What all you did was let the price keep going up?

Yesterday's price is not a day's price it deaf is definitely not Definitely not and I listen I'm one I want to get I want them to work things out But I also understand how the business side of things work. Yes Everybody yelling about the cap the cap going going up, the cap being hot. Have the bangles ever be wanting to spin all the way up to the cap? Hell no. So, let's start there. Have they, you know, we screaming over the cap and going, is this, is that? I mean, listen, this is still a business that has to be run.

This ain't Madden. This is real life. You see what Howie Roseman does? You see what he did with Devontae? Yeah. You see what he did with AJ? Got him early. You see what he did with Hertz? Got him early.

And what he did is that he's like, okay, St. Juan, we'll give you this. If you get these incentives, not only will you get them for this year, it'll automatically go onto your contract next year. So that 1.5, 1.750, so now Sequon's going to make almost $14 million. It's those numbers next year. Guess what? That third year of the contract, now there's a chance he goes out and has another year.

I'm not saying he's going to go for 2000, but has another good year. Howie might say, you know what, to keep that cap number down? Let's go ahead and get a couple more years to it. Give you nice signing bonus Right up front. So that's how you have to do it. Oh, Joe. You have to have some forward thinking Because if you wait to like I don't know I don't know by the time you realize the guy's good It's gonna be cost-prohibited for you to sign your players Well, listen the guys we good, it's going to be cost prohibitive for you to sign your players. Well, listen, the guys we talk about, there's nothing to realize. You know what they do because the film, the film don't lie. They did it in college.

They got to the NFL and they kept on doing it. They ain't missed a beat. I'm talking about Chase. I'm not sure why he didn't pay him last year. There was nothing wrong with T. Understanding what you got, you know for the fourth year of the future, we talk about two top one one top three player and we have another one that Harvey could be in the top ten you know as what I like to call a 1B I don't I don't see T as no two that just me cuz anywhere else on any other team T Higgins would be a number one mm-hmm but anyway that he the here no there I hope they get to do I hope they get the job done I really do. So do I. The Eagles are going to release six time Pro Bowl corner, Darius Slay after five seasons with the teams. The Eagles initially acquired Slay via trade with Detroit

in the 2020, immediately signing the cornerback to a three year extension. Slade, 34, is coming off one of his best seasons of his career. He allowed a 42% completion rate, allowed 5.4 yards per target, had 15 pass breakups, are all his best marks since joining the Eagles. In 2024, the Eagles allowed a league low 174 yards passing passing per game the lowest by franchise since the 2000 since 2000 who is that Tennessee? Since at least 2000. I think Tennessee. I think they beat the Ravens that year

Because we we allowed the Ravens allowed 60 like 60 something yards rushing, but I think they average like gave up 260 yard. Tennessee actually statistically had a better, huh? Oh, you're talking about that with the, what you call them, the Eagles franchise. Oh, I thought it was talking about the lowest since 2000 by any franchise, okay. Cause I know Tennessee fast defense in 2000 mm-hmm they were

they only gave up 242 yards a game oh Joe but he always said that if he didn't finish his career and it in Philly he would love to go back to Detroit Detroit was an original team obviously he has some issues with Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. He goes to Philly, has a great, you know, both of two. He went to a bunch of Pro Bowls. They were the two Super Bowls. They won this past one. So could you see him going back to Detroit? I think so. I think so. Why not?

Especially with what happened from an injury standpoint to the Detroit Lions to on the back half of the season. I like it. I like it. And I'm also trying to think about, oh, why not running back with as well as he played last year with the Eagles? But I can't even talk about, uh, Jeffrey Lurieie and Harry Robinson and when it comes to their decision-making. Keon Mitchell, obviously, they're now passing the torch and the key's to him.

No, he's on one side. They passed the key to Cooper DeJong. See? Rookie. He's ready to be a starter now. Listen, honestly he played well, right? He played very well, but he played well based on everything else going on around him Mm-hmm He actually ready after his rookie season despite them winning the Super Bowl They're being that in that spot like that where you got to see the number one receiver At times you you have to to see the number one receiver at

Times you you have to see maybe the number two receiver. Is he ready for that? You can't keep everybody Ocho I mean what you gonna do with Braun you gonna pay him. He gonna want a Kings ransom Yeah, oh he was nice. Okay, sweat. What about you got 2d lineman that could potentially leave You got Jalen Carter coming up now. Hey, he gonna want a King's ransom. And well deserving of everything. You got Mitchell gonna be coming down the pipeline. Oh Joe, he gonna want a King's ransom. No, I understand.

You know, the chat saying they gonna keep De'John at a nickel. Yeah, they gonna put him at corner and guess what? They gonna start him at corner and then when they go three, he gonna bump inside the nickel. But then who gonna be the other corner? Hey listen, playing on the outside and playing the nickel, boy that's a different ball game, baby. That's a different ball game.

They drafted that man to play corner. They found out that he's really good at the nickel and so guess what? They put him inside. They'll put him inside the situation and they'll bring somebody else. It'd be the same. You remember how, what's the guy's name, Ocho? He ended up going to Tennessee. He ended up going to Tennessee from the Kansas City. The DB. Yeah. Lidari Sneed. Sneed. What did they do? They drafted a corner. Yeah. Snead was really good. They put him inside. Yeah. What did they do after the season? They ended up signing, trading him. Yeah. And now you got Watson and you got McDuffie.

Okay. See, y'all just look at, see fans, y'all gotta stop looking. That's not how teams look at it. They draft a guy at corner. Okay, damn. And they got a, a slave getting a little older at 34 years of age. That's a little old for a corner, but he played extremely well. Now maybe, maybe it's a situation that, you know, they come back. I would go test the market.

Now if I couldn't find something suitable, if I gotta play for three million, I'll play for three million in Philly. I ain't gonna play for three million because I know we gonna win. But at least let me go kick the tires somewhere else because somebody else might have some money for me, Ocho. Hey, that's T.

That's T. Do you understand, and I mean no disrespect to my fans in Cincinnati. I love you every last one of you. Do you understand what T's gonna make if he get on the open market? Come on, man. He deserved better than that. He worked too hard. You hear me? Think about the sacrifices you just told me about that you went through to even touch the field.

What you think? He got a story too. All of us got a story. Yeah, for sure. We want that sense of security. Allow them to see because you didn't believe in him yet before. You know what? I want you to prove with him. We're going to tag you. We're going to tag you because we don't value giving you a long-term contract.

We don't because if you did value me and you thought of what you think of how I think about myself as a player and as a receiver. There would have been no issues claiming. Now you tag me again two years in a row. What does that tell me? Ocho, that's, but see, Ocho, that's the players association. You agreed to that. Well, listen, you have to understand when it comes to the franchise tag, you got 2,107 players.

Let's stick with me real quick now. Chat, y'all stay with me real quick. You got 2,100, maybe 2,200 players. Let's stay with me real quick now. Chat, y'all stay with me real quick. You got 2100, 20s, maybe 2100 players. When it comes to the franchise tag, we talk about it only happens maybe to six to eight players. Six to eight. No more than eight. No more than eight. Now actually going in to fight for something for such a small percentage of players that is required, that's where it's used, you know, year in and year out. Do you really really wanna fight for something like that? Because sometimes it's that advantage for the players

and for the team as well, sometimes buying you a little bit more time so we can get a deal done. Now in this case, when it comes to T, I don't like the way they're taking advantage of him. Because if you don't want him to pay him, he would've done it the first time. Listen, don't do it to me again.

Don't do it to me twice. But that's, but see, that's where you have to be unselfish because a lot of time for the very reason, I remember when they first started talking about lifetime benefits, there were a lot of prominent guys and I'm not going to call their name, give me a million dollars and I'll buy my own health insurance. How'd that work out for them? The same thing you just said, there are so few guys that say, man, I'm never going to get the franchise tag until they get the franchise tag.

And now look at you. At some point, oh, Joe, Kurt Flood, he never benefited from free agency. Right. He lost you basically lost his career. So everybody else got free agency. Spencer Haywood. Right. Sometimes you have to sacrifice. There are a lot of people that sacrifice for the greater good, even though they weren't there to reap the benefits. Right.

A Dr. King, a Malcolm X, so many other freedom fighters. A lot of people sacrifice that didn't get the benefit of the sacrifice. Right. That's what sacrifice means. I like that. I like the way you put that.

I like the way you put that. So now, okay, I tell you what, y'all want two franchise tags? We won't lifetime health benefits. Yeah That's a good one. We don't have it you get one franchise tag, right, but you can't franchise me again. I Got I need you know, I already gave you a bigger concession now you get a bigger piece of the pie owners I got to claw something back. Right, right. It got to be beneficial for us. Lifetime health benefits or we got to do away with the franchise tag. One or the other. Yes! And even if we

don't get lifetime, I need at least 10-15 years. What is... Oh Joe, if the average NFL career is three years, so the average NFL career is three, is three years. Yeah. So the average NFL player coming in at 22, 23. Right. So that means a vested player with three years, he's done at 25, 26. Ocho, he gets five years of health benefits at 31. He's done.

Yeah. Hopefully the average life expectancy if someone is like 75 years, so he got another 40 plus years. Ooh. But guys don't think like that, oh Joe, that money coming in so good, and you like, hey, I will be able,

but when you don't have money coming in and you have it going out, and you get, if you get a serious injury you get a Formal cancer you get a treatment It'll wipe your savings out just like that Wake you up real quick to on just like that and with them the price of the surgeries and the price of the medicine Some medicine costing you ten fifteen 15, 20 thousand a month? Especially now.

Especially now. Hey, oh my God, just the thought of that, huh? Yes! How much you say medicine costs? How much a month? Some of it's like 10, 15, 20 thousand a month. Some of them cancer drugs. My goodness.

I mean, look at insulin. Look at insulin. What's insulin cost you? And people need two, three injections a day. The Volume.