Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon RESPONDS to Micah Parsons COMMENTS + World Champion Boxer Franchon Crew-Dezurn JOINS Nightcap + Matt LeFleur DEFENDS Nathaniel Hackett HIRE as OC

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Micah Parsons interesting comments he made about Shannon on Funny Marcos podcast, Franchon Crew-Dezurn joins the show to talk about her big fight with Claressa Shields, and Matt LaFleur defends the hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as teams offensive coordinator and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...07:50 - Micah Parsons on Funny Marco’s podcast26:17 - Franchón Crews-Dezurn joins the show!45:03 - Matt LaFleur defends Nathaniel Hackett (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You see, you see that Joe Bragging? You said Joe Braggin? Hey, hey, listen, this is the thing. Joe is coming off of injury. He was hurt. So the fact that he was hurt, and for you, I feel bad for you, because you might, elder, I toned everything down. I didn't really compete.

I didn't really give it my old because you guys are damn near handicapped. But based on the way y'all acted, the next time we do anything competitive, just know I'm turning up and I'm not spanned nobody. Well, look here, I had to spend all my energy at the first preview of flexified, the first four, the first four, I only got, oh, y'all, I got so many steps, I always got so many jumps, so many jump so many turns in me. Yeah. And so I should have quit while I was ahead

in the first bowling match. Yeah. But boy, they said my man, Unk, talking about his knees and his back, yes, my it was on fire. Every chance I got, I sat my black ass down. Yes, my hips, my knees, my back were on fire. And I almost pulled my glute.

So, yeah, I know y'all said, you're throwing the ball like it's a softball. You damn right. Because I was about to pull my glute and I won't have y'all laughing at me on camera, so I don't care what y'all say. But, Joe, I know you watching. We got something for your fucking.

Yeah, yeah, Joe. Yeah, Joe. Yeah, all that. Because I ain't know Joe was like this, oh, Joe. I do know Joe was like this. Hey, um, listen, I haven't heard Joe, you know, when I think of Joe Johnson, right, and obviously watching him play, you know,

throughout the years, I, I, I, I visualized Joe Johnson like Troy Palomalu. Yeah. I heard Troy Palomalu talk. one time in 10 years. I never heard Joe talk. I don't know what then got in him. I don't know what done, what doesn't happen.

Yeah. But he, now he's talking trash. He's selling out. Talk about how good he is. Talk about don't get him started. Wait a minute. Yeah,

we're going to get you started. Okay. Okay. I see what type of time you own, Joe. Mm-hmm. So as I mentioned, we got Franchon. Cruz,

discern she's joining us Ocho she's fighting fighting Clarissa Shields on Sunday you know we got Ryan Garcia who's fighting Barrios on Saturday so we can't wait for that man my hamstring still hurt my knee still hurting from that Ocho for what Michael Parsons

went on funny Marco's podcast and had an interesting comments Ocho Ocho you know we want to make sure everyone has the full context so here is the full too many clip so we don't I want to end up. No confusion. No, that's not what he's saying.

Here's the full two-minute clip of what Michael Parsons said on funny Marco's podcast. Take a listen, chat. Like I tell you, like, fuck Skip Bayless. Fuck all of them. Uh-huh. Like, I don't give a fuck. But that's them because that's part of talking, it's communication. Yeah.

No, I just like, like, they want to rage bait me, rage me. But, like, they won't say that to me. my face like I wouldn't I'll talk shit behind back too you these Twitter finger ass I would be the same thing like fuck them I don't do fuck I tell you how it is you suck you suck your show don't work no more like what we're talking about this open open thoughts yeah that's why does this call open thoughts because you just have an open thought of like like motherfuckers be trying to like tell you how to play the game come play my position skip because I can do what you do shit I do it better sometimes

Yeah, I say yeah. Yeah, so like, what are you, where are we talking about here? Is Shannon Sharp on the good side? Shea, she live on, he live on both sides. Like, he know how to play the fine line between, like, as a player and as a show, like, he played out like, he don't really show up when it matter, but he's a good player. Like, he knows how to, but he knows how to, sometimes he edge on that, He'd be letting them ESPM writers get to him a little bit.

I can tell. So do you see yourself at the retirement being a sports analyst and talking, you know, being on it? It honestly just depends on, like, if they let me be me. Like, I'm not here to instigate no other player or talk bad about another player because they had a bad game or whatever, the organization. If they want me to be anti-whatever fan base, I'm good, bro. I'm not no fucking puppet.

A lot of these dudes is puppets for national TV. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet, but that's not me. I'm not selling my soul for a check. I'm paid. I'm good. Forever. Forever. That's why I'm going to be a friend.

You want to go first? I like that. I don't know what show it was. I don't know if our show's a number, but I did talk about I risk players were a little bit more honest and were opened and would open up about how they truly feel. start telling the truth on how they really feel. Everyone is always PC.

This is the first person that I've seen come along and actually voiced his opinion on how he felt about puntings and analysts. Your thoughts. It was fine. I mean, he said what he said about Skip. I'm not here to defend or protect or whatever he said about Skip. I was cool until he brought my name up.

Wait, it wasn't bad. I was an advocate. Right. Go back in looking. when he was coming out and see what I said about this young man. Yes, sir. He said, well, he knows how to play the right. You know what I do?

This is what I do, Michael. Because what I believe, and I've said this before, chat, and y'all know I said this, once a person has done something, whether or not he plays good, bad, and a game, I don't take away from what he's already done. So Michael, me saying, Michael is a phenomenal player. He's a first team all pro.

He's a perennial defensive player of the year candidate. But he did not play well in this game. What's wrong with what I said? So here's some stat. Michael Parsons with the Cowboys, Ocho. He had 52 and a half sacks, 21, 22, 23, 24. This year he played in Green Bay.

He became only the second player in NFL history to notch 12 plus sacks in his first four seasons behind the only great legendary Reggie White. Rest your soul. In four playoff games with Michael Parker Parsons played with the Cowboys, he has eight solo tackles, 10 assisted tackles, one sack, zero interceptions, zero force fumbles, zero thudble recoverers, zero touchdowns, three quarterback hits,

three tackle for losses. Ocho, what am I supposed to do? Check, please, tell me what I'm supposed to do? do. Michael Parsons is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What's wrong with that? So he needs to be better

in those specific games once they reach the playoff. That's what I said. Okay, okay, okay. How am I playing both sides? I'm being honest. He's a phenomenal player, but he didn't play well today. That's why Green Bay put 48 on you.

That's why those teams did what they did to your defense, because you didn't play like we've seen you play in the regular season. What is wrong with that? Oh, ESPN writers, chat, do y'all really believe, honestly, y'all, y'all seen me at a lot of different locations. Y'all seen me at Fox for seven years.

Y'all saw me at ESPN for two. Do y'all really believe they be telling me what to say? Considering what I'd be saying, do you really honestly believe? No, that would mean you would have a ghost writer, and you can tell by the way you talk and the way you explain yourself and you go in depth about the game in general, that's not coming from anyone else except you

and your expertise based on what you see because you don't watch the goddamn sound when you watch them football anyway. I don't. So that's all you. He also said, you know, he don't want to, you know, it ain't about a disliking a fan base.

My only thing is the Cowboys. I say they have delusional fans. Because every year, think about it. When Jerry purchased this, team in 1989. Within the first seven years, he had gone to four NFC championship three Super Bowls and won them all since that time.

So he's on this team for 37 years. In the last 30 years, how many NFC championship games have they gone to, Ocho? How many Super Bowl appearances? So the delusion is that the fans keep saying every single year, this is their year, this is their year, this is their year, this is their year. There's a very, very fine line between confidence and delusion. That in and of itself. And listen, one thing, yeah, one thing they will do.

Cowboys fans, they will fight for their team. They will fight for their owner. They will fight for the players that are on that team, which is why I get so much pushback. I don't mean to change the subject on George Pickens, understanding what the Cowboys need to compete and not being so heavy loaded on the front side on offense, but obviously he's of extreme value

and knowing what you need defensively to help so you can compete so you can get back to the winning ways of the offense. old cowboys, but you have no defense. And that's no disrespect to the players that are there right now, but it just, it is what it is. I mean, it is what it is. Even with the trades that you made last year, you know, getting Kenny Clark, getting Keon Mitchell, you still need more.

You still need more. You need a centerpiece. You need impact players. For one, you got people loading up the front to be able to stop the run. You still need somebody on the edge. On the back end, you still need somebody on the back end. That can be an intricate part of your foundation. in the secondary.

You don't have that right now. I mean, I'm, I mean, it's, but that's what, Ocho, that's what we're supposed to do. Yeah. We're supposed to look at a game because you and I play in an extremely high level. We're supposed to look.

And what a player has already done. And I've said this before. When I talked about Tom Brady, I'm not trying to take any of those Super Bowls, any of those all pros, any of those MVP, but today he didn't play well. Miles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL. Today he didn't.

and play well. Whether you say it's Chase or JSN or Pooka Nakuwa, they're the best receiver than football. Today wasn't their day. Yeah. So I'm just trying to figure out what are we supposed to do. Right. Are we supposed to cheerlead for y'all?

Are we supposed to a trumpet? Y'all calls no matter what. So no matter how bad you play, Micah, I'm supposed to get on TV and say, you know what, Michael have a hell of a game, even though you did not. And we're talking about in the playoffs, because you mentioned it.

Yeah. Well, he didn't play well this game. You didn't. You know, they're going to have to be. The fans see it. Right. The fans see it. Right.

I mean, listen, the players are going to have to understand. They're going to have to understand. Obviously, this era of players, because of social media, everything is magnified, especially when it comes from us, those that are doing the talking, having social media here as well, then it makes the voices for those that have platforms and makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder. So it gets to the players, even if, even if they want to hear, hear it, but they have to understand that those that do jobs like yourself, like myself,

who's gotten better at being critical of players when they don't play well, is they have to be able to take constructive criticism. It's never saying that you, it's never, because they look at it as hate. Yeah, but it's never saying that you're a bad player. We know you're great. No. Listen, the funny thing about it, the only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great because we hold into a certain expectation on what they've already done in the past.

And we don't play based on what we're used to seeing. it gets talked about. Right. But it's nothing personal. It's just based on your performance that day and that game. That's all. And we're judging you off because you set the bar. Had you not what you have had you not done what you've done.

In your first four years, no other player other than Reggie White has had at least 12 sacks in a season for four consecutive years to start their career. You and Reggie, rest is so, are the only ones to do that. So you set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times This is where legends are made If Tom Brady Had had all these stats

And not done what he done In the postseason Are we looking at him the same? No If Patrick Mahomes had not done what he's done Look at the guys that's done it We judge him on the playoffs That's how you make your name

That's how you become iconic That's how you become legendary Yes Michael did what he did in the regular season, but it was the postseason. Kobe, it was the postseason. LeBron, the step, the great, the great players, what do you do when it absolutely matters the most?

That's what you judged against Micah. I have a question too. Yes. When it comes in general, because he's so great, because he has their star on his helmet, because everybody is watching him, being that he's the best player defensively, You think as a player, they kind of get frustrated a little bit

and say, why is the focal point only on me? And I'm playing a team game. But then you focus on, well, I didn't do this when, hell, the other 10 didn't do anything as well. But that is what happens when you were as great as you are. You have to be the difference maker. Even if everybody else is not playing well, you got to be the one that pop out on film.

Because you, you that boy. How much of that money he's going to split with his teammates? How much money he's going to split with that team? teammates that Green Bay gave it. Boy, that's a good one. There's a team game now. Remember, you said it's a team game. That's a good one right there.

But he got paid as an individual. That's a good one right there, boy. It's a good one. The thing is, Ocho, is that in the most important game, come playoffs, I gave you four playoff games. He has one sack and four playoff games. Is that good? It's not.

Yeah. That's Michael Parsons. He's one of the premium defensive players. in all of football. We're basing enough. We're just looking at your resume. If you did this, Micah, had you not done what you done,

if you were a guy that just had your first six season, you had 25 sacks. I don't hold you in nearly. I'm probably not even mentioning you, bro. But because you have 50 plus in four seasons, now we have to have a conversation. Why isn't the Micah that we saw in the regular season? Why isn't he showing up?

in the postseason. Right. That's it, bro. I ain't got no, but y'all know me, but I got to be honest, though, Michael. And you're not the only one.

Go back and look at some of the things I said about Peyton Manning. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Tom Brady. And guess what? Every time I see Peyton, guess what? Hey, come up to the box. Every time I saw Tom,

had a great conversation with Tom, talked a little bit about football, but mainly we, we talked about what he's doing now. How can he get better? X, Y, and Z. I just think the thing is, it's just, we're just at an age now

that if somebody, that's 250, for 200, so in four playoff games, he's playing basically five, six, he's basically playing 60 snaps. Yeah. A game. So 251 into four. So that's basically,

he's playing 60 points. two snaps a game. That's damned to the whole game, Ocho. Yeah. Because you know they're only 65, 65 to 70 snap. So let's just say he's playing all, he's playing at least 95% of the snap. That's all we're saying, Michael. It's not that I dislike you. If it's not like I'm trying to play

both sides. I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player. My thing is that, man, based on what Michael Parsons has shown me in the regular season, What he's shown me over the first four years of his career,

I don't know what happened to him today. But this is not good enough for the Cowboys to win. And if they want to win, Michael's going to have to play better in the bigger games. The bigger the game, the bigger the player plays. That's all. Yeah. And if you take it that is personal or I dislike you,

you're sadly mistaken. I don't know enough to dislike you. I have no opinion. What you do, what you do off the field, that is of no concern of mine. All I do is that when you punch that clock, at be it 105 or 420, yes, sir.

Now, this is what we watch it, this is what we do it. But I don't dislike anybody. I try to be as fair as I possibly can in my critique of analysts. Yeah. When I put my analyst hat on, Ojoon. I mean, but I appreciate, you know, me, I mean, look,

like I said, I ain't here to defend nobody. Yeah. I mean, me, he talked to, he brought me up in the conversation, and I'm trying to explain to him if you had a problem with something that I said, just come to me. You got my number? Yeah. And I just saw you at the Super Bowl.

Yeah. And but you also have to think, too, huh? You got to think about what he said. He does a good job because he played the game and explaining himself in a sense. And he sees it as somewhat being on the fence. But also when he doesn't play well, he's saying, but yeah, I mean, he's saying you call it on both sides. You call them, but now, I'm not sure if you, for a better context

and why he said, F, you know, Skip, I'm not sure if you heard of Skip. That ain't got to do with me. Yeah, I know it doesn't have anything to do with you. But that's why, that's why the anger was more so directed to him. It's more so directed to him because it's more, it's more of, it's explanation in being critical of them, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when to come from someone that has never played the game.

Well, I guess the thing is because, You know, some of the things that Skip says, like, he's happy that the guy got traded. He's not going to be missed. I don't care enough about no trade. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Look, you play the Broncos. Hey, I love you when you're the Broncos. I wish you the best of luck if you go somewhere else.

I don't get to all of that. It ain't that serious to me, Ocho. It's never been that serious to me. It's never going to be that serious to me. But I just need guys, not just Michael. Michael just happen to be the one. Everybody, everybody. I do.

I do have a job to do. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. If you don't do your job, how long do you think you're going to be with particular set team? So I have a job to do, and my job is to be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see based on my knowledge of the game

and who you are as a player and what I see. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't add anything. I don't add no yee sort of growth, and I don't take anything out of it. whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you, Ocho, that's what I use. Yeah.

So that's the, Ocho, that's the thing. That's what we do. Ocho and I take the ingredients that you give us to make an argument. Whatever the ingredients is, that's what we use to make our argument for. But we're not going to add anything now. If you say this thing comes with two tablespoons, all you're getting is two tablespoons. Yeah. You're not getting, you're not getting anymore.

If you say four eggs, whipped, you're getting four eggs. Yeah. If you said flour, that's what you get. You get vanilla extract, you get cinnamon, whatever, whatever the ingredients call for. That's all we got for you. Yeah. They'll be all right on. They'll be all right.

Listen, the one that will listen. The ones getting talked about are the great ones. It's the great ones. It's the great ones that we talk about. And as much as they always want to play and be consistent, week in and week out, you're going to have games when you play bad. You're going to. It's the nature of the game.

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Got a big fight on Sunday. night against the undisputed, unbeaten, two-time Olympic gold medal, Clarissa Shields, looking at your rematch with Clarissa. Now, this is a rematch. Why are you so convinced? Why should we be convinced that the outcome will be different this time than the previous time?

Because the first time we fought, I had a two-week notice straight off the couch. Poppet, come on, that. Okay. I mean, I've always been, trust me, go look at the fight from 2014 when we fought an amateur, all this, she's going to beat me up and do this. She's no autonomy. So you'll just see.

She's doing a whole bunch of talking enough for the both of us. Sunday, you guys will see why. Yeah, sis, you bought that action. Listen, right now, if I'm not mistaken, WC, WBC super middleweight champ, WBA. Unified, WBC, WBA, yep. Listen, right now, obviously for us, coming from a football background, what we do before we play a game, you watch film on your opponent to see what the opponent's tendencies are. What we have to watch out for, things that we can expose. I don't want you to tell your game plan, but watching Cliveford Shields and watching film and studying her before you guys fight Sunday, are there any things that you may think you can take advantage of that you may have seen?

Yeah, of course. I mean, listen, everybody's negating the fact. You look at her last fight. She fought somebody who's a blown-up super middleweight, and she couldn't do nothing with him. She's talking to knock me out and do this. You couldn't even knock that person out. So don't forget, I'm a two-time unified

and the first ever understreet Super Middleweight champion in history. You didn't went to Heavyweight. You didn't went to Welterweight. You did all this, but you didn't come back and see me. And you want me to come to Heavyweight to get fat, so you think you're going to take advantage. Come on. Come on, Frady. Come on now, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But look, Ocho, I know you're talking about your football background,

but you actually came in my camp when I fourth and had a dispute and you was in a gym and you sparred. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in there having a good old time. Listen, sis, I ain't left the gym since. I ain't left the ring since. I've been trying to perfect my craft and get as great as I can, being that I miss so much time because of football because I want to get back in the ring and do an exhibition with Andre Ward. Oh, that would be amazing. I love that.

And that's the type of mentality people tend to forget. When you are great, you're an athlete, you're determined. That would take you further from boxing football or whatever. And that's one of my attributes that will make me win on Sundays that my mind is so made up. I like it. So I just want to ask you, fight a Sunday. Talk to me. How has camp been?

Was camp good? Are you injured? free, you know, sometimes in the camp, you pick up no knick-knacks. So, Todd, I've been ready to fight probably a week and a half ago. I don't like long camps because I was street fighting in the wrong box. So somebody hit me. I'm hitting them to ever back. That's what the time I'm on.

But I had an amazing camp. I had tragedies, too, a loss of, you know, a friend, person who's going to work with me in the camp. But, you know, my husband, Glendezer, he's been pulling me through. I'm my spa partner. Shout out to Level Up Boxing Gym. Shout out to Coach Mac. You know, we've been working.

We've been working very hard. That's live. I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm excited. Listen, I just want to shout out.

This is what gets me through camp. Shout out to my sponsor. As you know, the athlete, especially a woman in a male dominant sport, is kind of hard. But that's what helped me get through because I sacrifice time. I sacrifice time. Branson, look, there's not a whole lot of women that get remember for fighting. You go Layla Lee, you go Co-Minal's daughter, Christy Martin, you get Ann Ward, you get Clarissa. And obviously, you want to be one of those, like when they talk about women's boxing, 10 years, 15 years from now, when you don't hung the gloves up, when you got the gloves up, you're just sitting around, you want them to mention your name.

You know. You know what? Go ahead. Go ahead. Talk to me. Listen, I mean, when you say those names And you get to Clarissa You forget my name is right there

I'm very resistant about Talk, talk I'm the one Clarissa looked up to When she stepped out She looked up to see who was winning At that time And that was me And I'm still winning to this day

That's why I'm in the ring That's why I went on the 22nd Because I'm no one Put it to work If she didn't have a person like me Stepping She wouldn't be what she is Very talented

I'll take nothing away from her But boxing didn't start with her this not go to hell. Let's go. So what will, taking down Clarissa, whether you win by decision or you win by knockout,

what would a win do for you? What would it do for women's boxing? Listen, it keeps it. I'm the heartbeat of this boxing thing. A lot of people, like, she's on Twitter saying, oh, you lost to this, that you ain't fight them.

I'm the one that fought the big fight. When you go to all the names and my weight class from super middle weight in up or whatever, I'm the common denominator. I'm for the steroid cheat. And let's be clear. This undisputed heavyweight, she's in protective custody.

It's been built around. She's been a golden girl, and that's fine. Because I've never been in a heavyweight fight where there's a weight loss. So let's be clear, okay? But this type of win for me will be something I work for. It'll be a big thing. When the fight changed my life, changed the people around me. But it's just something for me.

This is for me. I'm already first ballot Hall of Famer. So, I mean, yeah. You're going to go on Twitter. You're going to go on Twitter and gloat. You're going to talk about, get all that talking, and now look, I got all the bills. Listen, I'll, listen, when I went, I might just walk out. I just might walk out the room like, no interview, no, no interview, no nothing.

Y'all, fuck y'all. I like it. I like it. Listen. Go ahead on Joe. I'm just blessed with opportunity. You work hard. You get these positions.

And I feel like I've already been here before. You know, that competition mindset. y'all can relate to it. Everybody's like, you should be more mean. I'm a mean, motherfucker. That's why she don't talk crazy to me, but I just don't. You buy, I'm going to. I'm a little bit of time.

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Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. I'm a reform crashout. A reform crash. Hey, I look, I love the fact that you had that competitive mindset and understanding being that my short, simple size of knowledge of being in the ring and understanding where it takes to be a fighter, how long do you think you have left, as long as you've been

fighting before you hang up the gloves and say, you know what, I've done enough in this sport. I see minute my legacy. I'm already a first ballot hall of famer. I've done enough. I can go on and drift into the sunset at peace. Well, you know what? I've been doing this for a very long time. I do have aspirations to be a mother.

I've been married for 14 years. So that's one thing I would love to do. It is at a time where women are making a fair amount of money. I'm not making $8 million. You know what I'm saying? But there's opportunity because I know once I win, we'll have to rematch again. And my mentor is Bernard.

Reha-ha. But, you know, I'm already an international recording artist with a top 10 hit in the day. I've showcased the New York Fashion Week a number of times, so I'm an established fashion designer. So I have a couple of different things I could do. But to answer your question, I don't

know. I don't know. I ain't over here forever, though. I want to have some kids. Okay, I like it. I like it. How did you even get into the sport? I wanted to be a singer, a pop star. Hey, how you go from a pop star to a boxer? Hey, the heavy head diva.

Listen, I'm a fighter than learn how to box. So I was street fighting equal opportunity asshole. Everybody used to fight boys, fight girls. But I just, it took me to the gym and I got active. I like that. I like that. You come from,

do you come from a large, and you come from, how many brothers, siblings you have, brother-sister? I have three brothers, so they used to rough me up. I don't have a large family, but they were tough on me, and I, that's what I'm saying, I'm a reformed crash out. Like, all this bully is she trying to do?

I'm just like, you not really like that. me in a room with you no cameras no rest of the other and I'm going to ask you you. Hold on. You try to say they just put you all the room with no cameras and whoever come out come out? You coming out? Absolutely.

Damn. Absolutely. I put that on my dad mother. I'm coming from the old school if you'll whip her ass. We're going to whip her ass to see you back out there for her ass. I ain't a one, two, or the three. I'm just saying. You weren't contested on American Idol. How was that?

Yeah. It was amazing. This was like when the show was kind of new. I watched it from the hospital bed, my mom. So that's one of my main inspirations since I started boxing. She fought to live. I fought to win. But America Idol really showed me a lot of things. Like, it's not what it seems. But I did have an opportunity to step to Nigel, who I think he like owns all of the American Idol. You got talent. And I told him, I was like, you know, you made me. And thank God Simon told me, I could. and be great at everything because I said on that show, if I wasn't an American Idol, I'll be the middleweight champion of the world. Now only did I become the super middleweight understeed champion, I'm going to be the understead and heavyweight champion, and I might get skinny and go be a middleweight champion. Come on, talk your talk. You're trying to consolidate all the belts.

You're trying to have all the belts. You're trying to be like a store that sell belts. You're going to have them all. No, I want to be like for Mr. Shields. There you go. There you go. You see what you doing now. Now, you know she's going to be listening to this.

You know she going to see this. It good for her. She already blocked on Instagram. Now she's listening at me on Twitter. Good for her. Why you block on IG? She's crazy. Her and her fake pages is crazy.

I don't know she's crazy. Listen, when it comes to your endeavors, obviously, wanting to be an artist of some sort. Who are some inspirations that you pull, that you draw from? Yeah, I'm going to sing a songwriter. I came up We had to actually have talent

So Brandy Of course I love the work at I think that's Michelle Beyonce is like an advocate And Matthew put them through Brigh Moreau Who else do I love Maya She's a cool lady

I know her in real life I love her If you can see a lot of the artists That's popping now that was popping in That's just like the type of caliber I am like that's that longevity That work ethic that reinvention.

Mary Jay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we're dope. Oh, yeah. I take different things from the artistry and also their work ethic. That's dope. That's live.

I like that. So this fight on Sunday, you win this fight. What's next? You take some time off or you say, you know what? I've done everything. Now it's time for me to start me a family.

I got the heavy, I'm the heavyweight champion. I'm the super middleweight champion. So what's next? Let them know. No, we talk about they got a rematch. It's a rematch claw, huh? We got to get in that thing and settle the thing.

Yeah, I mean, look, I got that. My husband is a boxer, Glendezer Jr. I want to make history and be the first husband and wife to fight for belts on the car. And I'm still a unified champion, so I would love to become undisputed super middleweight champion again. Like I say, I'm here for a good time, not a long time. And it makes sense. nobody taking the big fights but me and at the end of the day

even with this promotion they make it like she's fighting herself they've been very disrespectful trust me it's not a party until the queen come in town because everything is just out no talk man but if they go you know hey

oh this thing oh you know we're going to be watching this fight now I just want you to know oh Joe and I going to be watching this fight we're talking about what trans fight what popped off on Sunday you know this listen I'm going to tell you this

Let me tell you two things. Number one, I'm designing my own box in the tire. So when I look cute, that's made by me. Number two, I'm a fighter. I'm a winner. I do whatever I have to do to win. So if you expect them, I'm a sharp fighter. If you expect them to see me look like her, this is chaos in motion.

This is orchestrated chaos. I'm bringing all that shit. Like, whatever it is, it's going to be done. I like, oh, you know, sis, I got a question, sis. What's young bull name I was sparring with? How's he doing? he's good i think he's fighting on the 21st actually so he's fighting a day before okay okay okay i got to check him out man and look when you ready i'm coming camping you know you get some friends john you're getting so

friday i i i spot with men i spot with men i don't get knocked out by him but okay okay i mean i got you i got you you know i take it easy i got you fresh john let me ask you this the first name how did you get that first name my mom said she had it ever since she was a little girl So she knew I was going to be special. And then my husband, he's of a pre-old descent. So it's like for Sean Cruz and Zaire, like, come on. I like that. I like that.

Because we go back and forth. That's not how they say it on the zone. And then I was looking at what the hyphen is over the O. I said it's kind of in the same place that the B-Shon is. I say, so it's got to be Sean. Right. Not no Sean. It's first Sean.

Yeah. Listen, I have been called French and France. They used to call. me franchise. I said, I'll take it. I'll take it. You don't get money. I got one more question. The longevity. I understand the discipline it takes to be a boxer. The discipline it takes to engage in some of the other aspirations that you have. But one thing that a lot of people in life struggle with, including myself, I can't speak for hung, but you've been married for 14 years. Please give me the secret on longevity and how

he's been able to keep you happy for such a long time so i can take that formula and integrate it into my relationship no no no well um he's a professional boxer as well so you know boxer was his first love so i had to work to be in that area and over time like at the end of the day we're best friends and he's been there he's never he never tried to like just we'll put tonic. So we know each other in a different capacity. It wasn't just old sexual. And he was best friends with my mom too. So we love each other in Nagapi form. That's like my son, my father, my brother, my husband. And at the end of the day, it's two individuals choosing to experience life together. I'm not trying to change him. He's not trying to change me. We rub off on each other.

And if we do change, it's because we love each other. Even when we fight, it's like, are you leaving no, no. You know what I'm saying? Like, if we got a problem, are you going to fix it? Am I willing to fix it? And at the end of the day, I still choose you, like Pikachu.

I like that. I like that. I like that. I like that. I know it's kind of like the old adage. Why does movie stars marry other movie stars because the other know what it's like to live that life? Listen, you're a boxer, he'll boxer.

You know exactly what it is the sacrifice to go to training camp to be frustrated because you can't see the person that you love. Y'all not being intimate like you. normally are. It's like, so I know the sacrifice that he's going through. He knows the sacrifices that I'm going through. But boy, hey, once this camp is over. This is what, this is what I, like, I think growing up with all brothers,

I'm not a catty female. I'm like, probably like your bro. Like, I can hate with the pros. So I'm not here. If he see a fat ass, I'm like, babe, you see that fat ass? I'm not going to restrict him for doing nothing. It's maturity and responsibility. Make a mistake

and whatever decision you choose to make, make sure you can deal with the consequences and repercussions that come with it. I'm just saying, but he's a good guy. He's a great man, like a great man. That's awesome. Well, we're looking forward to this fight on Saturday night for Sean.

Frans Sean. He's been that sad ass. Vice for a risk on Sunday night. She says she wants that heavyweight title. It's going to be a lot different that it was in 2014. She said she wanted this action at heavyweight. She ain't want to come back down

and take this ass whipping that middleweight or super middleweight. So I come see you on your turn. I like it. Yeah, and maybe after. But you know what? I thank you guys for having me. Let me shout out my sponsors. Go ahead and do what you do.

Thank you guys. And I'll see you soon. All right. I appreciate it. Good luck, good luck. Jean Cruz discern. Thank you. Good luck.

Thank you. Hey, boy, hey, wait. But she's talking cash money. Listen, she's talking cash money. She's talking trash, but she's doing it in a very mild manner. She's doing it in a very mild manner. She's a different animal. She's a different beast once she's in the ring.

For those of you that are in the chat that are watching, if you've never seen a fight, go check out some of her older fights from the past. So it's going to be a good one. It's going to be a real good one, man. I'm excited. She said, man, she's funny, man. He thought he wanted me to get fat. Because you know, the bigger you get, you go up the heavy way,

you tie her out faster. And you're slower, yeah, you don't slower. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you said, okay, you won't come down here. I'll come see you. I'll come up there. Yeah, that's going to be nice. And I can't wait for us to talk about this on Sunday, Ocho.

Cardinals new head coach, Mike LaFleur, defended the decision to hire Nathaniel Hackett as a team offensive coordinator. Hackett has received heavy criticism at a recent stop, the Jets and the Broner. the latter which is head coach in 2022. Hackett didn't even last one full season at the Broncos head coach, and he was fired after just 15 games. Meanwhile, in his second season with the Jets,

he was relieved to play calling duties when Jeff Ubrick took over his interim head coach. Ocho. Yeah. For an offense that is struggle is hiring Nathaniel Hackett, the best LaFleur can do. Absolutely not. I mean, it was horrible. It was a horrible decision.

I mean, based on hiring. are based on who's the best candidate for the position and it's based on what you've done in the past. What does your resume look like? What do your accolades look like at said position? There are two prime examples, but one, a season where you didn't make it, you only made it 15 weeks,

and obviously you were horrible at another place. So how is it that you're the best person for the job when there are so many other office of coordinators that are worthy and have the quality to be able to call those plays? So again, this is how the coaching, world works. Your friends and those you know who come up under that umbrella and coaching tree that you know,

this is how they always keep each other employed. Come on over with me. I have a job for you regardless of how you've done in the past. That's what we need to do. It's ridiculous. That's what we need to do. Us. They don't even put us in positions of power to be able to make those kind of calls.

When we get a head coaching job, do we do that? No, we don't. that's what I'm saying I'm saying when we are fortunate enough to get a head coaching job I have one more thing I have one more thing to say when we are in positions

to be leader of men and are able to get head coaching jobs I don't think we have the green light and the full power we think we do simply because we're the head coach so you can tell me all these years Mike Tomlin they have no aid wasn't denial that

you just named one person What about Marvin? We're talking about guys that had long. Marvin was there 15 plus years. But we know why Marvin was there because Mike Brown is not firing nobody. Mike Brown's not firing nobody. That's not his immobile. He's never been his embo.

You got years on your contract. You're going to coach that contract now. Oh, no. You're going to, hey, listen, when it comes to Mike Brown, you're going to make every dollar on your contract. You're going to play that thing all the way out. So I understand that. But I just think for us, you already know how this business is.

Those of you that are in the chat that are listening, I don't, I don't know how many more examples you need to see to understand that if we do they already don't want us in those positions to begin with and you think we're going to allow you to be in that position to be a head coach and then get you then get you full reign to hire who you want to absolutely not because if you look at it oh no oh jo when robert saw a guy got hired got fired where do you go back to what he knows best come on now you go always have a job he's with cowherty and then what happened, don't you? You got a head coach job. See how they work? You see how they work, right?

Go back and look at some of these coaches and look at what happens when they lose their job at one place. They go right back where they started. And before you know it, they got a new job. Always have a job. It's a great thing. It's almost like, you know how you do your ancestry with your DNA? And you scroll back and it always leads back to, okay, this is where my family is from. once you're part of that coaching cycle

or that coaching tree, you're going to always have a job. Yep. Always. And if he doesn't have a job, somebody from that tree, go back and look at Sean McVey's tree. Look at Kyle.

And look at how it's interwoven. Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh and all those guys in the floors. Look how it's interwoven. Look how they take care of one another. My guy, Clint Kubiak. Like I said, I've known Clint. Clint Dad was my officer coordinator in 90 and 91.

He was my officer coordinator from 95 until 99. And again, 02 and 03. Go look at his staff. Rick Denison, who was on his staff with his, I play Rico. We call him Rico. Rick Denison, now he's an assistant advisor to the head coach. Joe D. Camillas.

Yeah. When Joe D. Camillas used to be the assistant strength and conditioning coach, turned himself into a great, Special teams coach. That's a special teams coach. Mike McCoy was there with a with a, with a, with a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, uh, a cool. You see?

Mm-hmm. Unbelievable. Look at, look at, uh, McVeigh staff. Look at their, when they get an opportunity and they can get guys that won't other staffs and elevate them. Come on. Yeah. Come on.

I got you. I got you. I got you. Yeah. Now, I, I, I tell you. I, I tell you. what, I tell you what, in Arizona, I don't think anything going to change. I don't think anything going to change.

Okay, what, what are we doing at the quarterback position? What are we, what are we doing? Exactly, what are we doing at the quarterback position? You had a problem when you were at Denver. You had a problem when you were in New York. But he ain't going to be calling plays. What are he going to do? What are he going to do?

Mike LaFleur is going to call plays. He didn't call plays in Green Bay when he was with his brother. Okay, well, he's good, then. He good. Matt LaFleur. Matt Lafleur called a play. But they tell us, Ocho, they want somebody that call plays.

Hold on. What is Mr. Hayne? Look, and I don't have nothing against Mike LaFleur. I wish him the absolute best. But he didn't call plays with the Rams. Everybody knows that. Sean called those plays.

Yeah, well, yeah, he had the clip. What do you call the thing in your hand? What do you call that? What, the play sheet? The script, the play sheet. He always had the play sheet in his hand. Yes. So he's not going to, I mean,

Nathaniel Hackett didn't call plays in Green Bay. So what is it? Matt LaFloor did. I have a question. So what is Nathaniel Hackett's job in Arizona? He got a job entitled. Office coordinator, he ain't calling no plays, Ocho.

You see how they do? You see the game they play? Yes. You see? Yes. Man, come on, man. Yes. Ocho.

And I don't want people that, I ain't got no problem with it. Right. Because here's the thing. And this is how it normally works, is that you hire people that you're comfortable with, that you know. Or you know someone intimately.

Yeah. And so I don't know if Mike was on the staff with his brother. I think Mike has always been with Sean. Yeah. But Matt, Mike's brother, vouch for it. So that's like you own a company. And I said, oh, man, I got this dude, man. I'm telling you he can help you do a lot.

I'm vouching for. Now, I'm very, very hesitant to put my name behind somebody because that's my name. I come to you and tell you, oh, cho, this man, a hard worker. Yeah. You just said, oh, man, you told me he a hard worker. Man, I can't get him to G.R.

Damn. Yeah. Now, he got out here making me look bad. Mm-hmm. But when you're familiar with someone. And you know what you're getting. You know what you're getting. I got a question too.

Yes. Totally, totally. off subject, but context-wise and perspective, it's almost the same. Okay. And the way you just explained, and I'm hiring someone I'm familiar with, and I know the job that they're going to do.

Have you ever had somebody do work on your house? I have. Were they black or were they of Latin descent? Well, the handy man that namela comes over now, he's black. He'd be on time. The people that did stuff on my house in Atlanta. Yeah. They got referred.

I, a good friend of mine that we had been friends with, they had done work on their house. Right. They were very pleased. Mm. I got them to do work on my house. Yeah. Joe, my handyman in Atlanta, I like him because for the most part, we call him.

If he can't get over that night, he's coming over first thing in the morning. Yeah. That's what you got to have when you're dealing with a handyman on you. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, you know, I think I could get there by the end of the week. Bro, it's Monday. What do you mean the end of the week? See what I mean?

Okay, said job is going to take two a week. Yeah. Now, depending on who you ask to do said job. Yeah. That week could be three. Yes. They own the job on Wednesday. I got to take a phone call.

You know what? I got to go pick up somebody. I got the emergency. I got to run. Just small instances depending on what, depending. That's why you got to be careful on who you bring in. when it comes when you're doing stuff serious

we can cost you your job now that hire is very important even though he might not be calling the plays what gets me upset Ocho it's amazing you ever notice Ocho like when somebody's trying to get a job so you come god damn you must have knew I was calling

you picked the phone up the phone and he ring on my head then when they get said job all of a sudden I got to see when I can get over there. I say, now, see, when you was trying to get the job, it wasn't a C, let me see when I can get over there. Hey, you on point.

Your ass showed up. On point. Now, we done paid you in full. Hey, whoa, that's a mistake. That's a rookie mistake. No, no, no, no. The bulk of it, Ocho, because I'm like, look, we need materials and so forth and so, okay, I get all that.

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I'm going to need this. Now, when something go wrong, well, I said, oh, there ain't no well. Ain't no extra money? Well, how deep? That's the only well I know. So no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I, so I, this is how it goes with everything.

Shelly says, you, anybody that does anything at, at, at my residence, either Atlanta or Vegas, they work directly with Shelly. Shelly informs them. You would deal directly with me. If you have to deal with Mr. Sharp is not going to go well. So the best thing is to deal with me. Oh, man.

And you be getting on, you be getting on the monk? If you got to deal with him, it's going to be hell, huh? Yes. Yes. And you're not getting the shit. Oh, yeah.

How are you doing? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. It was a great. No, you're not getting that guy. No. You're not getting water from Nantucket. you're absolutely not

you get that mofo from down south yes so I just need you to understand because I've done what I said I was going to do you said you need your money okay you need money this time okay well Mr. Sharp every time we can complete a stage we're going to need to get paid boom no problem yeah I ain't got no problem with that

and nobody can never say well he tried to shortchange me if I agree to I'll never I will never not yes and mean no. I got you tell me, okay, this is what the job, this is what the job is going to cause. Whatever the case may be, Mr. Sharp, we would like to get paid in stages,

so forth and so got no problem. Yeah. Here's the deposit. We take a deposit and then every two weeks, we should have a phase completed until the project is done. Yeah. It's so funny.

The way you explaining that is exactly, what they do in the grandma house you know grandma house obviously has been this is 1940 1949 so you have to think it's been no work done on grandma's house in 1949 obviously passed in 2018 passed down to my mama mama passed in 2021 so at one point in the 80s and 90s that house it was so nice back then during that time we had a swimming pool we had arcade machine on the porch damn yeah yeah yeah hey my grandfather i don't think this is a show to talk about that But he was the big man in a sense. Grandma completely different.

Had me blind. You in church every Sunday. You were teaching the day county public school system for 41 years. Wait a minute. How you even got mixed up and married to that? Once I got old enough to understand who he was at that time. So I'm trying to figure out why people always coming around taking pictures. I mean, old cameras too.

I'm talking to Polaroie back then. You know, taking pictures coming by to see the house. It used to be a staple in Liberty City. Boy, we got to slide by and just see Chad Grandma House. I didn't understand it back then. Now as they gotten older, I get who he was. Now I understood why people would do it. And now it looked like a sore thumb on the block.

That's how bad it had gotten because no works is 1949. So you already know. Is it still your house? Yeah, yeah. It's still. What makes it up on Joe? What would you think I'm doing? No, I'm going to tell you, right now it's work.

being done, it's nothing the unk, nothing is there except the shell of the house. Right. Everything going, man. And seeing some of my grandma stuff, you know, being moved out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Everything going. You know she'll be mad you're doing that, but you got to get inside with time changes.

Yeah, yeah. And I remember when I got drafted, I remember when I got drafted, I say, grandma, boom, I'd have made it. All the work we put in, all the sacrifice and all the things. since you've done to me, I can finally repay you back. We can move out of Liberty City. Boy, she left him saying, boy, please, I'm not going nowhere. Well, I can do some renovations to the house.

You know, we can add another story. Boy, you will not touch nothing on this house. I wanted exactly how it is. And how my mama got it in 1940, whatever it may have been. I say, are you sure? You don't want to move bigger house, nicer? No. I say, what about a new car?

Because you riding that diesel bins and that loud cranes. You don't want to get rid of the diesel? Boom, I got a BMW. She was cool. Outside of that, a little big body outside of that, she wouldn't move and said, do not touch her house. When I stayed with my grandma,

I made it to the league, I stayed with my grandma in the city the first three, four years in the league because I refused to go get a place. She still had goddamn plastic over the goddamn couches. With the B-A, hold on, even worse. You know how you walked through the hallway?

Yeah. Remember back in the days, I don't know anybody in the chat, depending on where you're from. Remember the bees that hang? Yeah. You got to go through the bees. She still had the goddamn bees in the hallway in 2000, 2000, 2003, 2002. Like, Grandma, what we doing? Come on.

But now, I don't know how she feels up there in heaven right now. It's going to look modern, everything, stainless steel and glass. And I don't know. I don't know. I believe if the house that we had that we grew up in, Ocho, I believe that that house had running. water and indoor plumbing. I don't think my grandmother would have left either.

I don't think she left. The only reason that got her left, you know, she said she wanted to be able to go have indoor plumbing before she died. She wanted to go, be able to go to the bathroom. Right, right, right, right. Instead of having to go to the outhouse? Awesome.

Okay. But she tried to bring, oh, Joe, my grandma tried to bring, she had peaches and pears and blackberries and tomatoes and stuff. She had canned in the 70s and 80s, mid-late 70s. Yeah. was trying to take it to the house in 88. I'm talking about stuff that's been canned and jarred for 10 and 15 years.

She still tried to bring, and if anybody that's my age or older, you know, cast iron bed. Bair used to be made of iron, Ocho. They wasn't made of wood. Yeah, they were heavy. They weren't made a lacquer. They were made of iron. Yeah.

You know, my grandma would talk about, boy, I show miss my bed. Oh That bad ain't coming, granted Yeah That bad ain't coming Oh man Somebody might play good money To get iron

Some cast iron Yes, sir But that's bad that's coming But that's how old people are Ocho It's hard to get them out of their ways Because they had gone so comfortable All my grandma had ever known

For 66 years It's to go outside And she's gonna get rained on She understood that she has accepted, you know what? That's what my great grandma added, which was her grandma, Grandma Lou, which was her mom.

That's what, that's all she had ever known. So she had resigned to the fact, hey, hey, I get to go to church. I'll do what I need to do. She worked at the Glenview nursing home, the very home she spent the last two years of her life in. Even though my sister got up there every day and fed her and made sure she did everything,

that's where she was. And then when she stopped working there, she'd go and clean things. people's house and bade, bade people, some of them not as old as she is, but couldn't get around my grump, but that's what she wanted. Yeah. She goes fishing. Libby, run me out here, live it, run me, drop me off.

You come back and get me. Let me stay out there about three or four hours. That's what she wanted to do. She wanted to be able to go fishing, have my sister drop her off. My uncles never would come sometime and take her, mama, let's go fishing. Ooh, I ain't got no base. We already bought them, mama. That's what you want to do.

But there's no greater feeling, Ocho. Yeah. I know the feeling that you felt when you had made it. And now I can do all that hard work, all the sacrifices you made. I was ready. There's no more sacrificing, Granny. Ain't no more. Ain't no more.

I were ready. Boy, she took the glasses off. Move where? Boy, get out of my face. I never again. I remember she promised, man, don't put me in a home. I want to be here right in my room. I never forget my mama had moved from LA.

She was dying here at that point because grandma got a little dementia, you know, a little bit she kept falling over herself. So my grandma was taking care of her and she got in bed ridden, you know, into where my mama had to take care of and had to change her. And having to go in that, having to go in grandma room. And because she was in there so long, I mean, you know, put in the wheelchair, bring out all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

You know I know. Yeah, yeah. The smell was still in there. in 2026 I can still smell the smell I don't want to use the word stench but it's like it was still there it was still ingrained maybe in the carpet I don't know what it was and it's like I could barely I couldn't even go in that room you know you know at one point

and just to be able to come back to the house the guy started working the house on the Monday I told my little brother I'm gonna get you somewhere to go I'm gonna get your Airbnb I'm gonna pay it off for two three months so you know good you can go to and from work I paid the guided deposit on a Monday I went by the house on a Wednesday the house was a goddamn shell

every couch every cabinet like it was nothing but just the beams yeah he's the chimney my grandma had the old chimney the old chimney back in the days the chimney was gone like you could walk I mean I don't know how many people

follow me on Twitter or follow me on Instagram you could just walk through the house I can stand in the in the street and see all the way in the backyard. I'm like, how y'all move that fast? Oh, they get it up out of there. Unbelievable. I'm sure he'll be happy with that. You'll be happy with that. Yeah. You know, but them people, they, they love their home, man. I remember my sister called me and say, granted said she want to go to the house one more time. Because at that time, she had never been back to the house. Yeah. I said, so when she wanted to go? I said, okay. I said, so,

how do you go about that? Well, I'll tell the people, because, you know, it's a service, Medicaid, they'll come pick Granny up, take her what you want to be, and then she'll stay there X amount of time,

and then they'll come back and pick her up. As they say, say, no more, I'll meet you there. Yeah. I got her. Knowing how bad my grandmother, you got to realize my grandma, my grandma ain't no small woman now.

Yes, sir. Man, I put my grandma, pick my grandma, because it steps. And back that point in time, we did not have it. because when she got sick, it just happened just like that. Yes, sir.

So we didn't have time to build like when you could take a wheelchair. The ramp. Come on, come up. Yeah. Man, I put my grandma in there. Because I was much of a man back there, no, Joe. Wasn't no hill problem. Wasn't no deal.

Right. Oh, you were good. You were good. I was much of a man, Ocho. I was much of a man. Yes, sir. Put my grandma in there. Boy, I used to see the look on her face, Ocho.

She said, who, living. I ain't never think I see my house again So she You know I'm taking it through the kitchen And you know I ease her down You know I roll it down and you know Because she in the back Don't go down the hallway take a little

Take out there You say Son help me help me get out of this chair And let me get on my bed one last time Boy Ocho To see the joy that she like in her place. Because I say, Libby,

do you want me to get the house, have the, just like her roomill? She said, no, Shiana, you spend three, four hundred thousand dollars. Granny ain't going to make it too much longer. And then what? We got this stuff here. She said, no, Granny, fine.

Yeah, granny fine. But just that, Ocho, she stayed maybe an hour. If she stayed an hour. She said, Lib, I'm ready to go back now. I just wanted to see it one more time. probably six, eight months. Yes, sir. Yeah, I was like,

because I didn't know, because, you know, she kept, oh, I show, I wish I could see my house. She kept Mitch, I said, live, you think she want to go? She's like, I'll, you know, she had a right mind. It wasn't like she, she knew every,

she knew all her grandkids and so forth and so on. She knew all that. So I was like, well, she can, every time, every time I talk to it, she just keeps saying she wanted, you know, she wants to go to the house one last time. I said, you think she wanted to go back. to stay or you just want to go visit because I was confused, Ocho.

They would say, I'm going to ask and see, she says she just want to visit. I said, well, how are you going to go by there? She said, I just called the people and people, you know, just like they'll take her, you know, they'll come get you from the place. Take you to your doctor's appointment, X, Y, Z, wherever you mean to go. They'll wait and then you, they'll come back and get you. Yeah. I say, tell them people to come get you.

Tell them, I'll meet them at the house. I'll meet them at the house and I'll take it from there. Man, ain't ain't nothing like that, bro. There's some good days, boy. All this and people like, man, and I sell with you all my hips, all my knees, my back.

Yeah. I would do it 10 times over to see that woman the joy. If y'all could see the joy on that woman's face. Mm-hmm. Boy, please. Do it all over again, Ocho. I'm Bowen-Yin.

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