Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and former NFL All-Pro Terron Armstead look back on Armstead’s Pro Bowl career and why he decided it was time to retire from the NFL

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and former NFL All-Pro Terron Armstead look back on Armstead’s Pro Bowl career and why he decided it was time to retire from the NFL. The crew also reacts to Saquon Barkley already hinting at retirement and Shedeur Sanders is already predicting what he will make his Rookies do once he's a veteran! Plus, the guys weigh in on rookie hazing stories and the evolving culture in the league.01:45 - Terron Armstead’s combine record06:50 - Footwork as an Offensive Lineman08:13 - Why Armstead decided to retire23:10 - Saquon Barkley on retirement29:00 - Shedeur Sanders on rookie hazing46:30 - Ranking NFL atmospheres58:00 - CJ Gardner-Johnson disses Vic Fangio1:02:49 - How media negatively impacts players(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go check out my media company page of all of his flat platforms, Shea Shea Media and my clothing company 84. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last Yes, ocho In the 2013 combine Teron recorded the fastest 40 for an offensive lineman in combine history a record that still stands to this day That's uh It was close. Um lane johnson ran four seven two

It was close Lane Johnson ran four seven two But to Ron's record of four seven one is close and if I'm not mistaken They're the only two offensive linemen that's running the four seven They've been a couple of run low four eight But no other linemen other than to run at four seven one Lane Johnson at four seven two have been in the offensive linemen Have been in the four seven. So as of yet, so now we're 13 years and counting 2013 to 2015. And, uh, Toronto still held that record. Try and look, you're coming out of Arkansas, plan, plan bluff, and it's not like it used to be. There used to be a, a plethora of guys coming out of HBC use. And so that would have been nothing, but here

it is. Now we're in the 2000, 2010s and we get an offensive lineman, your three times, Swack, uh, all conference player and you go to the combine. What were your expectations? Did you know you had this kind of ability in you? Yeah, for sure. For sure. I knew I had the, the talent and the speed and agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase.

So it was really huge for me to get that combine invite. That was monumental for me trying to get more exposure, get more eyes to my tape. So I knew that I was gonna go, I was going for the record for sure. Like before we got to Indy, I was going for the record. I wanted to run faster, honestly, than Um, but I'll take the four seven. Four three Oh five.

That's moving now. That's what I would give me to ask you. I'm getting asked you how tall you were and how much you wait to be able to run that. Listen, I, I, I ain't running up a four five. So technically you, you right there with me on your neck. No, no, uh, I was six, six, five, three, oh six, I believe. Three or four at the combine. Wow.

So you knew, you knew, so what was, if I'm not, I don't know what the record was. What was the record? What was the fastest 40 time for an offensive lineman before you broke it? It was four, eight, four. Four, eight, four. Wow, you didn't break it.

You obliterated it. I needed it. I needed it. I needed all that. I needed that, That my moment. I was on NFL network.com, NFL.com for like two hours. I needed all of it. So, so the scouts can go watch my film. Okay. So now you go run that 40 yard dash time.

You run four seven one and that's really the audit. Yeah, they want you to jump high. Yeah, they want you to do too. But speed is what captivates their attention. Now you're an office alignment. You never going to be able to unwind that for several one again, but you just want to put that on tape and let them see, look, you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes. I went to Arkansas pine bluff.

Yeah. I know you're going to downgrade me. Talk about who did I blog and who did I play against, but I'm going to come and showcase my skills and let you see and then the chips fall where they may. So when you ran that time, did you know like, okay, I got their undivided attention. I'm about to get drafted. Oh yeah, no, for sure.

We have special talents down in these HBCUs all across the country. We do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill. I knew what time it was. I was going for the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch. So like I knew that I was going to be able to make my skill. I knew what time it was. I was going for the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch. So like I knew that I was gonna be able to make that splash. And like I say, again, I needed it.

I really needed that chance to get all the scouts, just to watch my film. I wouldn't ask for no favors, but just check out the film and see the dominance. Yeah, now also when I look at the offensive line position, as fast as you were, you know, as far as running a 40, did you have an advantage as far as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know, playing offensive line is all about

your hand placement and your footwork. You know, we always being balanced. Sure. Did that give you the advantage? Yeah, no, my athleticism, my agility, those were my strengths when I played throughout my 12-year career, because I'm 6'5", 304, not the biggest tackle, not necessarily the strongest either, but I'm on your ass as soon as it balls in that,

you know what I mean? A lot of jump sets, I had to use that in my game, so I found a way to play to my strength, and I was using my speed. Were you always an offensive lineman? Because, mean, we were that kind of fast Twitch. You might've been a, you might've been a tight end at some point in time in your career. Were you always an offensive lineman? Well, back in my hometown, Cahokia, Illinois, we, we, we're known for speed. That's what we do. We run. So I was a defensive lineman and an offensive lineman, but I would go

play 707 with the guys, corner safety, receiver. I really yeah really was like that really like that I can't do that shit no more. I Can't move like that no more. Oh, so what's that? Look you mentioned you say So you want 34 34 right now 35 33 33 Teron you walk away from the game. You're only 33 linemen normally played in at 36, 37, 38. We saw Jackie Slater play 20 years and he retired at 40 plus. And we see linemen, especially, I don't know your injury history. That's why I went.

That's why I'm going with this. Why walk away from the game and all that shelter out there. You see that money. So it's a lot of freshly printed money out there for sure. Yeah, it is. It's a lot of freshly printed money out there for sure. Yeah, it is. Yes, indeed. I got a man, God bless me with so many great moments and great years and a great career. My injury history is extensive.

It is. Yes. It is long and I've been through it. And that's really the part for me is my body. You know, I love this game. Mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game forever, you know, but it's just physically. And I'm okay with saying that, that my body is slowing down,

it's movements and abilities that I just can't perform at the same level. And I take so much pride in my film. Yeah, man. It has to look a certain way. Like every time I step on a field, it has to look pro ball or pro. Like that's the, that's the brand I want it to leave. So I never want to look like I'm out there getting my getting whooped on.

That ain't, that can't happen. You know what it takes a lot. It takes a lot of awareness, self-awareness at that for a player of your caliber or any player that's played in NFL, that's played at a high level to understand when it's time to call a quiz. Most of the time we will ride, we'll ride, ride the car to the wheels, fall off, you know, with no regard for, you know, what? I don't look the same at what moment did you realize that?

You know what? I really don't have it to be the player to all pro or pro bowl level anymore. But what moment did it hit you? Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third year in the league, but it's been with me from for my entire career. So, man, just I'll speak on this year alone. I didn't see a practice field like at all and not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't walk. You know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know,

under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was only able to play under the pain meds. I couldn't put any pressure on my knee. So it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself, man. We, it comes to that. 33 and you, now you get to be 40 and all of a sudden you're like, man, what, my liver's shutting shutting down my kid and all the other things from taking those pain medicine because I've no I've seen I've seen linemen have to take Vicodin

just to practice I get I get the game I get the game I really do because you know hey that's once a week but the practice oh hell yeah yeah no it's crazy and that's what that was the norm for sure. I didn't wanna fall in that cycle. Right. But the thing is, as Ocho was saying, it takes a space, because to the lay person, they don't really see what you know. And the thing is, is that when you,

it's kinda hard to let go and not practice because as an offensive lineman sets or everything Whether you're gonna jump on it. What you paid a Lay the feet don't eat And the thing is you got to practice that during the course of a week It's hard or an offensive lineman to just go out there on a Sunday Jump set quick set a stab whatever the case may be. And you going against the best of the best.

You said it. You said it. It's the reps, especially for offensive line play. We so based on technique and timing and all the hand placement and not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone. Cause you know, we're the only unit that never comes off the field. Outside of the quarterback, that's one you know, we're the only unit that never comes off the field. Outside of the quarterback, that's one person, but we're the only unit that never comes off the field. So that chemistry and timing, it just is really tough not getting those practice reps

and then preparing mentally for Max Crosby and Miles Garry. And that ain't cool. Like that's not okay. You got, I can't keep doing that. You can't get up with TJ Watt. Listen, I'm not about gotta keep doing that. You gotta keep doing that with TJ Watt. Listen, I'm not about to keep doing that, man. With no practice, like come on, man. Because like you said, you talk about your offense,

Tyron, you talk about T, excuse me. You talk about your offense alignment and like, okay, they give somebody else in there to practice it. But you and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. You need to like be on the same level and pass it off because if you're on different levels, guy go hit that crack. And now everybody's like, man, that y'all had just, but see, you might be a little slow, he might've been a little fast.

And all of a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should have had that situation covered. I know I look and everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing with Gary Zimmerman Who the who's the two-decade all-decade player in the 80s and the 90s? He went to the Hall of Fame, but he didn't like me. He didn't like me to chip block He didn't like the chip. He like was Don't touch it. Yeah, he's a cop If I if I jump said it mean you hit him you're gonna knock him inside and now I can't get him and everybody go

Thank I got beat. So don't touch it. Facts. Yeah, no, that's a real thing. Especially if you have a big physical tight end like yourself. So like you hitting him too hard, he getting momentum. He getting like a jolt to the inside move.

You know what? I got him. Just get out of the way. Get open. Go get open. I played with J.O., Jonathan Ogden, who's the first ballot Hall of Famer. He like, hey, knock him out if you can. For me, it depends on who it is, man.

Who older? Exactly, but like you said, starting offensive lineman, they want some, I mean, hey, stick and stay, or some guys like don't touch him. But like you said, that practice, like for an offensive lineman and seeing, like, like I said, I've worked with them for like four years, worked with jail for two years and to see what they go through

because they're working on their sense. They ate a kicking. I'm sorry. Am I going to stab him? Am I going to quick set him? Am I going to jump set him? What what am I going to do? And now in the game, man, I want wanna jump set, but that knee bother you. Now I can't do what I want. The mind say do that.

That body say, bro, just you do that, you gonna hurt? The body say you can't do that. No, you can't do it no more. Hey, when it came to playing the left tackle position, I think about my approach to playing receiver, when it came to DBs and studying each DB every week and understanding what type of DB I'm going against. You got some that are quick, some that are fast, some that are physical, some that some that, you know, play off or whatever may be.

What was your approach when it came to playing defense that ends each week? It was was your was your approach different as far as from from a technical standpoint? Did you change up things you did, depending on who you were playing that week? Well, I've always said this, I'll show that it's a lot of parallels to me. A lot of similarities between O-line tackling, tackling DN and receiver and corner like that, that one-on-one matchup. It's a lot of dynamics there that that's parallel to me. Um, the technique that goes into it tendencies, like you say, is he pressing or if I, if I

jab inside, what are you doing with his hand? Same thing. As I'm reading the defensive end, I'm looking at their alignment first, how wide is he getting? And then it get off, you know, how well is he timing the snap? Then I want to see his home runs. What's his go-to move that he's consistently winning on? What's he's winning on the most? I break that down.

That's the one I want to take away. I want to take that one away and then, all on, what's he's winning on the most? I'll break that down. That's the one I wanna take away. I wanna take that one away and then, all right, what's his second highest percentage move, the counter. I'm taking those top two away. Throughout my career, that was the goal, my objective of game planning. I wanna take them top two winners away. Now, if you beat me with a third,

you a bad man, but you're gonna have to get that. But for me, I was taking those top two, top two moves away. Yeah. And one of the things that I've always liked to ask players that, that once they're done playing, who gave them the most fits for me? And everybody asks me all the time, unless you played a very long time, you've gone against some, I've always had to deal with the number one DB. And everyone asks, you know, who gave you fits?

And obviously the one person I say every time he was locked in the 2000s, he got 2000s. He said, yeah, they lock everybody up. But he asked you about nobody else but you. You see how you did that? When he told me, I listen, we drive some bitches. Hey, but when you gave me fits or you just want to give them their flowers. Yeah. Man, I had some battles. I had some of these guys I seen too many times. or you just want to give them their flowers. Yeah. You know.

Man, I had some battles. I had some of these guys I seen too many times. Like I didn't want to have these rivalries going on, but you know, that's how the skills will go. I played Miles a ton. Miles was always one of those. He's one of those, you got to make sure you eat breakfast. Like he's one of those for sure.

But the guy that gave me the most fits and I've probably seen him the most, and he is still underrated in my eyes. Robert Quinn. Robert Quinn, man. Oh, that first double Quinn? He been in that edge. He, listen, Robert Quinn,

he probably got the most sacks on me. Like, out of everybody, he's the person that say, I got two on T-Steel. Like, he probably that one person that can say that. Right, okay. That dude getting, yeah. I don't even wanna see him post-career.

I don't wanna see him anymore. I'm cool. We can't be friends, nothing. I don't wanna run into Robert Queen. That's dope. It's really like a dance. Because like you said, they getting that wide, they getting to that wide nine.

And now, hey, you like, okay, I know he gonna come wide, but what if he dropped and bull me? Okay, now he gonna hit me and then he spin inside. So I got all that going into, I got to look at him. Okay, what is he doing? Now I'm kicking, I can only kick so far cause the damn quarterback right there. Hell, I keep kicking, I'm gonna be in this damn lap.

I can only get probably like two kicks deep. And then I got the set and I got to take a I got to be. I don't want him to get it. I don't want him to be in the edge on me because these, like you said, miles can be in. Miles can be in. But I'm also I also don't want him to wax on wax off. They cross my face. No, all that we're trying to process all that man.

And they lining up in this wide nine and these athletes are only getting, they're only getting bigger, faster, stronger. Yeah. So it's man, it's, it's, it's tough to deal with like Micah playing Micah Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas day. We in Miami, beautiful day. We smacked the Cowboys.

That ain't part of the story, but seeing, seeing Micah Parsons for the first time in real life, it was different, bro. Like you are way too big to be moving this fast. It can be in that way. Or like, it just the athlete, the evolution of the athlete is just, it's becoming something, something different, man. But I'm cool. I'm cool. Y'all.

Especially watching, you know, playing against Derrick Thomas. But the guy that I had the most respect for, I only played against him for two years because I was only in Baltimore two years. I've never seen a guy his size that quick. Jabal's us. The freak.

Man, freak. The first time I played him, man, I turned around and said, hey, y'all better throw it. He was gone. Look out block. He took a step down this because I had to step. So I stepped with it. Man, by the time I put my foot down, he was on my shoulder. That's a bad feeling.

He get to your shoulder, and you ain't extended. Hey, you might as well kiss the baby. That's a bad feeling. That's a bad feeling. Oh, hey, Uncle, you saw the picture. I just saw Javon cursing at the airport leaving Philly the day before yesterday. Oh, did you?

Yeah, man. He got down. Before he hurt his ankle. Ocho, dude was sp— I'm talking about you talking about somebody like, he was like 6'4", 250, I'm talking about all, I'm talking about 5X blows. I mean, his hands were like a ketchup man.

Did Kurtz get in, did he get into the hall? Nah, nah, nah, he would, I mean, Tennessee, he was at Tennessee, his best year was at Tennessee. Yeah, yeah. He goes to Philly, and then he had, he messed up his ankle. He was at Tennessee, his best year was at Tennessee. He goes to Philly and then he messed up his ankle. Messed up his ears. But back in the day, dealing with DT, Bruce Smith was fast too.

Bruce could bend. For a guy his size, normally guys 270, they can't bend like that. Bruce be parallel to the ground. That moment that you see a Vaughn Miller do where he dip under and come down on one hand and get back up. Yeah. Bruce could do that at 270.

Yeah. So, hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks. That's why I pay on the office of mine, because you guys got the toughest assignment because you're dealing with. Like I said, basically it's like ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire. He's coming forward, but you got to mirror what he does moving backwards. Yeah. And the thing is you got a target that's sitting right there.

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All right, check this out. Saquon Barkley is coming off his best year of his career, which ended him becoming a Super Bowl champion with the Eagles. And now he's gracing the cover of Man 26. Saquon was asked if he would retire at the top of his game or go into the wheels came off. I'll probably be one of those guys that will be out of nowhere.

I'll probably just wake up one day where there's the next year or two or four, and you'll be like, yeah, it's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like probably my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders. So probably similar to that, maybe one day,

like I don't know where I'll probably just be balling and just be like, yeah, it's a quiz. D, damn, we just talked about that. Cause your situation, you just like out of nowhere, like, yeah, yeah. It was not as sudden. Uh, really the ones in the inner circle, they, they knew the situation. And I was trying to push through, I was looking for options to continue, but it's

just, it's over for sure. Like I knew it not as sudden as like Barry Sanders or, or Calvin Johnson. Uh, Saquon is incredible. All of fame, talent, for sure. It would be a he he can't walk away all of a sudden. He we need we need to see some more of that, man. That's a special talent. What a difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barry.

They got tired of losing. Yeah, for sure. That situation where I mean, you just went to the Super Bowl. Now you start to lose. But Barry, Barry got to the NFC championship game in 91 and never got that close again. So Barry got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. I mean, you know about the guy had average 1500 yards for 10 seasons. No, for sure to go.

Calvin, the same thing. Calvin like, bro, man, we ain't getting no closer. I'm going out here and I'm doing all this to my body. What am I really doing this for when I don't really have a realistic chance of getting to and winning a Superbowl? So I think that's the difference. Say, quantity is in a different situation. Now, if he was at the Giants, yeah, he probably just goes like one day.

I'm out of here. The situation where he is with that offensive line, without offense, with that defense, nah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he just walks away. And money different too. Yeah. I mean, the money obviously different. And obviously he just got paid to give him a nice, nice, nice, nice 20 mil a year.

Old Joe night. Nice pay raise. Yes sir. Hey, Kwon for running back for that position, obviously with a position position not as being as valued as it is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you for what you're doing and they showed you love. I don't see Saquon retiring until he has that coming to come to the grass moment. You know, I can't do it like I used to. That's a fact.

I don't have that. I said it the same way. I think that would be the only time he actually called it quits when he realized is you know What I can't get I can't bend that corner like I used to I can't hit I can't hit that a but at that be a Seagap like yeah That better be it and that that ain't my how the sake one. Oh probably 26 27

28 just turn to where we but here's the thing though, Ocho. Yeah. Lane Johnson's still there. Ma Lotto's still there. Yeah. Ferguson's still there. Nice, nice. Lennon's still there.

So it's not like you see some of these guys, the offensive line get old and they starting to move with them out. That's the best offensive line in football. They're not going, it's not like they're about to drop off a cliff in the next year too. And they got them all in the contract.

They just did lanes contract. They just did my lot of kind of just did Dickerson contract. York is going to the rook that was on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Well, you know, it's funny when you think about it as good as say Quan is and as good as that offensive line is even if Saquon was a loser step let's say in maybe maybe in three years if that with an offensive line like that he will still be able to do what he needs to do because that much better up front so he won't be able to go 80 yards with anybody without anybody touching him so now he might have to break a tackle two yards from the

line of scrimmage as opposed to running through those holes that my old slow ass could probably get five yards. I ain't gonna hit my head on the goalpost like him, but I might get five yards T. I gave about three or four yards, huh? Four, I gave about three, four. Them legs hurt, I can imagine now. I hadn't gotten hit on in man, in two decades.

Yeah. I shatter like ice. you know how you drop ice out of the cup and hit the floor. I found you. I didn't even got to remember. They not hitting like we was back then. That's different. Oh, no, no, no. I don't forget how to take a hit.

You see you, you start to lose aid. You know how I deal with T when you go, like when you leave the season and you come back and you had gotta go to training camp, you got to relearn those stuff. Don't tingle like they did. Like once you get going like training camp and now you go to the season. They don't tingle them.

And now 20 years, man, I'll be getting, hey, I run them to shallow cross this zone. I'm. You running through the yard? They gonna get fined. They gonna get fined though. They might hit you but. But I won't be fined. They might get fined. They're gonna get fined though. They might hit you, but- But I won't be fined.

They might get fined, but I won't be fined. That's the word. That's the word. Yo, Ocho, you switched it up on me, man. You usually have on the Cartier Shades. I got seven pair of Cartier Shades over. I was gonna be Ocho tonight and you didn't. Really? Hey, you-

Let me hold for a minute. Come on, now. Let me see what you got. Whatever you need, you know what I mean? We in there. I'm Ocho right now. Hey? Hey, you sit up. Let me hold, let me hold for a little while now. Let me see what you got. Whatever you need, you know what I mean? We in there, I'm Ocho right now. Hey, hey, listen, listen. It's time. I keep wearing the same ones over and over.

I'm trying to say the rest of them, you know, for football season when I'm on TV. I got car, I got you, brains, right? I got a different color to match each suit. All right, yeah, that's a different brand. I got a different color to match each suit. I gotta see you, I gotta see you do the information right off of Twitter. He from Canada, bro.

He got everything. I need it. I need I need. I'm going to put my mind back on. We can't get it right. I'm going to put the things on. We're going to switch them up. Should do it says that when he's a bet, he'll have rookie organize his locker. Take a look. Take a look at this video guys

I'm a bet what I'm gonna do I'm gonna have a rookie organized by locker every day before he leaves. If Flacco told me to do this every day I would do it I go to him every day I said hey bro you good you good? You need anything? Right here, because it's respect. You feel me? I feel that. So, when you came in as a rookie, what did the Vets have you do, Tyron? The Vets were pretty good to me, man.

Jari Evans, Ben Grubb, Zach Streep, those guys were pretty good to me. Yeah, yeah, okay. Get them breakfast every Saturday, food for the plane, snacks, snacks, toiletries. I had to bring that type of stuff to the facility, deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. Um, so trying to find a ride to Walmart cause the Uber didn't exist in 2013. So trying to find a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys and haul it into the

facility, but they were, they were pretty, they were pretty smooth on me. Yeah, that's what it was. I mean, they want breakfast sandwiches, they wanted donuts, they wanted chicken, they wanted Popeyes to come to the plane. I'm like, come on, guys. Y'all know, man. And back then, we drove to the airport, but we had our own hangar. So you drive up, We drove to the airport, but we had our own hangar. So you drive up, go get on the walk up and get on the plane. Man, you know, man, I was driving so fast, driving reckless, man, trying to get there. I'm working contract, man.

I can't afford no 1200, $1,500 fine, man, damn. Yeah. I remember them days. I remember them days. I received a group. I mean, obviously the vets, when I came in as a rookie in Cincinnati, man, it was, it was love. You know, there, there was, there was a certain amount of respect that I showed and a certain

amount of respect that they showed as well. But, uh, you remember Darnay Scott? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Hey, Darnay Scott, uh, Danny Farmer was there at the time. Ron Dugans, um, P-Dub. Dub was there. And, uh, it was, it was all love. It was nothing to that magnitude like some of the stories that I hear. Nah, we think the receiver room have the hardest time with that, the receiver room is always that-

Cause they don't be trying to book. The receiver be trying to book. It's always a hard time with that. We had a situation in Miami last year, not a big situation, but Tyree Hill had bought one of the rookies a Christmas gift and The rookie didn't like it really like well, I know I mean it's cool But you know you tight you Tyree I expect you to give me something better, you know something bigger You make it 30 am the year, you know I'm saying

And Tyree was really hurt by that. Like he was really upset that they got it. Hey, what did he get him? I'm trying to remember was like it was like a like a Gucci cologne set or something like that. Some type of designer cologne set. And this young boy, he 21 years old in Miami, man. He probably only had no color. I don't wear no cologne. I don't want that.

You want to Tariq to bomb something with a little bit more splash to it. Yeah, that was receiver only. You know what you gotta sing at training camp and not no damn fight song either. Ain't nobody go to your school but you. So you gotta say something, whoever the latest is, now like probably not to be Kendrick Lamar, Drake or whomever the hot rapper is right now.

Back then, you know, R&B was still big when I was coming up and guys singing Teddy Pippen, guys was singing, Luther was singing Barry White. Guy, they did the thing. Y'all have, did y'all have a rookie show with T? Oh, for sure, for sure. Mike B. Dane, he was big on that. And Sean Payne was too back in New Orleans.

We would do the song, most of the guys would do R&B, old school R&B. I feel like the, and you guys probably have a different song, but I feel like that Undefeated song, when the rookie starts singing it, and that rookie show, the whole crowd gonna join in, it's Fantasia. When I see you, it's all like,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He start that, you get to the first 30, he get through the first 30 seconds, he gone. Cause everybody gone, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He start that, you get to the first 30, he get through the first 30 seconds, he gone. Cause everybody gone, yeah. Hey, you know what? That song, that song right there is like when the swag surface song come on, it don't matter where you at or what you doing,

everybody joining in. Yeah. You gonna go out there and show them. Swag. Yeah, you gotta grab somebody. Everybody. Yeah. That's why. Yeah, you got to get somebody. Everybody. Yeah, that's it. Hey, New Orleans, what is that?

Here we come to get you. You win. That was New Orleans bad New Orleans. Yeah. That superdome used to rock, man. I missed them. I missed that place. I met those fans. It was crazy.

And that's the fact that you went to Arkansas Pine Bluff. Yes, sir. And matter of fact, when I was at Lanks, you know, by Lanks University, right? Yeah. Yeah. We when I was at Lanks, we played Arkansas Pine Bluff. They came on. They came on down with a coil. So still water, whichever what it is. But it's back in 1990, 1997.

We played Langston my freshman year and Langston beat us, bro. Really? It was bad. It was bad. I know y'all took the bus cause we took the bus everywhere. It didn't matter if it was three hours

or if it was 12 hours. You on that bus. I was on that bus. We was on that bus, paired up. Well, see, and the way we did it is like the starting offense and the starting defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus Starts on one bus And the back comes on another bus.

What the hell you be? If you ride the bench, you ride this bus, huh? Yeah, you're right, exactly. Talking about segregation. Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better, man? They can't sit and talk to none of y'all. No.

Cause we back there playing cards, you know, spades. We playing cards, we, you know, we own one at the back of the bus, you know what I'm saying? We act, as a matter of fact we all wanted the back, the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying? We act, as a matter of fact, we wanted to go to the back of the bus, so chill. Yeah, okay. But hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing special cause all of us was black.

We had what, our kicker was white. So it wasn't no thing. And I'm sure it's the same thing with you guys. Did y'all have a white kicker or a punter? Both, white kicker and punter. That's it. Oh yeah, and a linebacker. We had a linebacker too, he was a bad man.

But that's what, you know, but you missed that. I missed, you know, taking over, you know, going to Tuskegee, going to Where the? Burlington, North Carolina, just, you know, you taking the bus. I mean, it ain't no plane, it doesn't matter if it was, like I said,

if it was an hour to Georgia Southern in Statesboro, or you going to Tuskegee, or you going to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina, it didn't matter. You on that bus. Yeah, we would take that 10 hour bus ride to Houston for a prayer view, Texas Southern. We'd take the 10 hour bus ride to Alabama,

and then Alabama State. My first flight in my life was we got paid to come play UTEP. So we flew down to UTEP. They paid us to be honest. Yeah. That was my first time trying to say what if, oh, first time on a flight. I think I went to black college, all American. I think I went to Pittsburgh. I think maybe I flew to see college, all American. I think I went to Pittsburgh.

I think maybe I flew to see my brother play. Oh yeah. But now you wouldn't take it. But you missed that. Cause guess what? We can stop by a convenience store. They like, man, the guy was like, cause I was the captain,

these sort of men like, man, Sean, man, I'm hungry, man. How coach David to stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I like coach, man, I'm hungry. Cole. Can we stop by convenience store? Co. David looked at me and said, all right, home, we're going to stop. But you're responsible for him.

He already know what they're going to do. Yeah. We'll clean the store out. Oh yeah. And y'all had the NIL money back then. Uh-huh. No, we have no money. That's why he told me I was responsible for him to make sure they put in their pockets.

That's why he told me I'm responsible for it. And I'm standing to the door. Hey, mm hmm. Take it out. Yeah, I'll give it to you. And I'll show how that don't look of this, man. Ocho, how that gonna look? He ain't stop everybody, Ocho. I did. Yeah, you ain't see everything.

But let me tell you what I wouldn't do, cause I was one of the few guys that had a vehicle. And people like, man, to this day, they're like, man, Shaw wouldn't give nobody a ride. Bro, I know who had stuff would follow him out the store. I know who a bag of potato chips soda honey buns Ish would follow you walk out the store behind you So no you're not getting to my car cuz everybody knew who my who I was and what I drove man

I just know they got in the car with Shannon. It was Shannon sharp. They don't say nothing up. It was Shannon sharp. Oh, no Even if you had a little honey bunny on slides, a little switch roll or something. He's gonna have $3, but he gonna come out of there with $5 worth of stuff. So, no. He got something for you. No, he didn't. No, oh no.

In the mall, never going to the mall with him. Absolutely not. D, what do you think about the locker room decision with Tua going through his third and fourth major concussions? How do I mean, look, you can do all you can to try to protect the guy, but at some point in time he's got to protect himself. He has to know when the journey is over.

You can't at no situation should he be allowed, I don't know what he was thinking, that you're going to go ahead, that you're going to go ahead first on somebody knowing your history. Yeah. Yeah. No, he, he definitely, um, he's, he has to be aware. It is no question about it. And he is aware, but even more, and now it has to be proven on the, on the weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact to the, to the team, to the

franchise, to the city, um, without two under center, it's a different, it's a different team, it's a different look. But with him under center, I strongly believe Miami Dawkins can win any game that he's starting quarterback. So no, you're absolutely right. It's when he gets 30 degrees. Oh, here we go.

Let's get it, let's get into it. Let's get into it. No, but go ahead. But with Tua, go ahead with Tua. Yeah, no, he has to know that. He has to know how much of a value piece he is and whatever it needs to do. But just knowing the guy, knowing how much he love the game and the way that he prepares, man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year.

We're stagnant offensively. We get a drive going and he's trying to extend on the third down and try to get another first down. It's just, he can't be the one to do it. You know what I mean? But it's just him being a competitor, trying to trying to wield the team. Yeah, I think I talked to Uncle and I talked about this last last year sometime when he when he went out. I just think he has to learn to fall a little better and understand it. The win went to especially I remember that first down we went ahead first.

He still got he got up. Yeah. But it was like one of the moments where you'd be like, ah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hold your breath, mama. You gotta know when the journey's over. Yeah, know when the journey's over, and then when he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly.

Especially when you go back and you don't try to do your best. I know it's hard, but I was, it's something that I trained myself to do is when you get tackled, you're going backwards, try not to let your head hit the back of the ground as hard as it does. What I used to do is if I get hit hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards,

I would tighten up my core and try to keep my head upright the best I can. The best I can, just so I don't get that boom, that initial shock which causes the... That's the one though, the one that you falling back, hit the head. That's the one that's, yeah, that's the one. Like if I'm in your bunk, I do my best,

like I'm holding the ball, but I do my best as if I'm bear hugging dude, you know, in a sense. I'm literally bear hugging him, I'm just saying trying to keep my body and my upper body and torso as close to him as possible, even on impact, just so most of the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off. Yeah.

How you feel about them guys on the sideline and they jump out of bounds or are you trying to fall for a few more yards? What you what you think about that? It all depends. In depends in his situation. He can't do it. Not even on four because he's too valuable. He gets down and he gets ding. What have you done?

Okay. You got the first down. Now your backup has to come in and finish out the ball game. I can give you a prime example. Peyton Manning. Once Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterbacks. Nick again. Yeah. If you notice they don't let Patrick Mahone since he hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterback sneak again. Yeah. If you notice, they don't let Patrick Mahone, since he hurt his knee, they don't let Patrick

Mahone go straight into the line of scrimmage. You see, you have to protect the guy. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. With two of them, they're not going to let him do it. Obviously, you wouldn't do no tush push with two of them. But second of all, bro, you got to slide. It's okay.

It's okay to slide. I'm not looking at the quarterback. Oh, he tough for what? You're not used to taking those licks like that. And they looking to punish you because you don't have the protection of the pocket. Cause once you leave that pocket, you a runner. So I'm gonna hit you like Dave Henry.

Free game, free game. you a runner. So I'm gonna hit you like Derrick Henry. Free game, free game. I mean, you go from, you have Drew Brees for a number of years, and then you go from tour. What was it like, what was Brees like? Brees was a killer, man. He was an assassin.

He prepared like a federal agent. He was, he prepared, man. He was an assassin. He prepared like, like a federal agent. He was, he prepared, man, like he's trying to build a case on everything that we, that we played, man. You would, you hit a cliche, first one in, last one to leave, but that was genuinely him. That was truly him. I would see him on those off days, man. He's, he's preparing like none other. And you've seen it every week. And it was no matter the outcome of the game to this was the special part about him. No, no matter how he played individually or if he was a winner or lost, he put the same amount of time in. He gave every team the same amount of attention and respect

playing the Falcons twice a year. That second game, even though we just beat them about 15 two weeks ago, he's going to put those same amount of hours in. And that's why he was the greatest. Hey T, did you understand before, did you understand the animosity and the hatred that the Saints fans had for the Falcon fans? Did you know that?

No, I didn't, honestly. I didn't, I didn't know that was such a thing, but I quickly adopted it quickly adopted Quickly like I hate them folks still we got five for us Listen, I think I found out maybe two or three years ago and here I go Trying to have a kumbaya moment trying to get fans. Hey happening No become one of the game, you know, yeah like man F no like Not about like for real

I'm thinking they you know, I think they plan around on Twitter many people say like this is really I really hate them people They do not mess with say say spares do not mess with Falcon fans and Falcon fans you best believe they don't Say, you know, I hate them too. I'm serious. I had I didn't either Oh Joe, but I is. Yeah, no, I hate him too. I'm not your rival. Is that serious? I had no idea. I didn't either, Ocho, but like I said, I quickly adopted it. I still hate him to this day. I'm not rocking with the Falcons, ever. He, he, he, he, he, he.

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Laces on leather ranked the NFL atmosphere from best to worst. What do you think the best atmosphere, NFL atmospheres, what do you think the best atmosphere, NFL atmosphere, what do you think the best one is? Honestly, it gotta be between Kansas City and Seattle. Kansas City. Kansas City is number one. Okay, I'll go through the top ten. The Chiefs are one, Packers are two, three Hawks are three, Vikings are four, Ravens are five, Beals are six, Lions are seven, Saints are eight, Patriots are nine, Cowboys are 10.

I don't know how Cowboys made it. Cause they ain't got no home feeling, they lose all the time. Yeah, no, for sure. The stadium nights though, I think it's just right in the stadium, ranking the stadium for the Cowboys. I don't think it's-

It's gotta be. Talking about the environment. Cause I'm shocked to see the Saints- They lost like six games last year at home. Yeah. Yeah, the Cowboys don't really have a, unless they're winning, their fans will show up. And there's so many people in that stadium,

you will hear it. I'm shocked to hear that New Orleans was so low on that list. That Superdome is crazy. Yeah, but y'all been, y'all been, y'all been struggling. Y'all been on hard. Y'all been some lean kids. So this is, this is what last year's like best. No, but I'm just saying, you look, I give y'all credit now. Y'all, y'all be making some noise.

Cause I remember Katrina, when y'all with y'all, y'all played in San Antonio, I think it was in San Antonio when they came back and released some block that point on that night game against the Falcons. Rebirth. I mean, you could literally hear it through the television. Yeah.

I mean, it was, I don't know. And Sean Payton and all the people said they've never heard it that loud before or since that night. Yeah, no, that was definitely a special moment. But during my tenure in New Orleans, we were always, it was us. Yeah, y'all was good. In Kansas City, as far as like the loudest crowd noise,

the Saints was always near the top. And I'm not surprised that a little, I mean, look at this, a lot of these, see how well Vikings a dome Lions dome Saints dome Cowboys dome If it's something about when you can get up you can get an outdoor arena and you get that kind of like the Chiefs have Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I played the Broncos. Yeah, man. Oh my god that baby rocket. They got 76,000. I'm talking about they'd be going crazy Po charges right down here at the bottom. Yeah, yeah, Chargers.

Listen, I've been in some great atmospheres. I played at every stadium that's on here, and I honestly know one, number two should be the Bengals, honestly. Boy, stop. Yeah, cut it out. Listen, no, listen. Boy, stop. Yeah, cut it out. Yeah, boy. Listen. Cut it out, Oto.

No, listen to me, T. Stay with me now. Never been in the jungle, boy. You never been in the jungle on a prime time game in Cincinnati? You see what you got to see what you had? You see how he prepped it to T? A prime time game. Second round of playoff.

It ain't gotta be no prime time game. It can be any game. It can be a pre-season game. It can be a note of what you're scrimmaging against yourself under the lights. Right. And it gonna be ruckus. That ain't what y'all do.

That's what we do. No it's not. The culture over there has changed tremendously. You hear me? It does not. I would deal with it when the light was on. I give you credit, Ocho, it is. It has, from my earlier years to now,

I feel like now is a lot better atmosphere. They wore they all white. Yeah, yeah. It's rocking that. Joe Burrow, the icy white. It's not in the top 10. Not in the top 10 though. Yeah, guess what?

Not at all. No, it's not. When they wear them icy whites, all you gonna do is see them skid marks, cause they gonna poop the bed. They already got, that's all they gonna do is wet and poop the bed. T, ain't nothing going on, ain't nothing popping off. That's that Baltimore Raven coming out,

I know what that is. I know what that is, that's that hatred y'all been asking me about, running five of them in the same. Well, no, no, the hatred's for the Steelers. Y'all Steelers, yeah, y'all Steelers. Yeah, the Steelers, no, we, and us, and in Denver, it was the Raiders, then the Chiefs. Right, I got you. Yeah. Who was that for the fingers? It was the Raiders, then the Chiefs. Right, I got you.

Yeah. Who was that for the fingers? It was the Steelers. I mean, during my time, it was the Ravens, Ravens and Steelers. It was bad. Y'all beef with Cleveland, cause y'all trying to see who own Ohio.

Listen, I mean- They don't worry about y'all. It was my time, during my time, we used to beat up on the Ravens and the Steelers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

Well, maybe you did. I was long gone by the time y'all tried to go get them shots on Ray in the middle of the field. I seen you. I seen you. You saw me fucking him up? Yeah, I saw you put that shirt on him. Put that thing on him, boy.

Yeah. He put you down, but you got up. I don't know, that's the fact that shit, on him. Put that thing on him, boy. Yeah, he put you down. I don't know, the setup is way down there. I trip, I trip. Cardinals, the Bears, the Chargers. So what you thinking, Ocho? What'd they get right, what'd they get wrong? Who? I mean, no, this is about right, though.

I'm not sure who made this list, but it's about right. The funny thing about it is the fact that some of the Dome teams are a little low. That's a testament to the fans in Seattle and Green Bay and in Kansas City. Yeah. And funny thing, the first thing I said before, as soon as you mentioned we were doing a ranking of best stadiums, I said, I said Kansas City and Seattle right away. Seattle, yeah.

It's so goddamn loud, T. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I don't know if it's the way the stadium is built. I don't know what it is. It's like, though, you'd be on the field and can't hear nothing. Yeah, no, for sure. The Seattle game, we played them a rookie year in the playoffs. And that was a baseball. The Beastquake happened.

No, that wasn't that man. Oh, my bad. No, that wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. I would have tripped him. But no, it's second round of the playoffs. And Sean Payton, so we went up there. We kind of like battling for the number one seed, middle of the season. We played on Monday night. It's 28 to nothing immediately.

First quarter, they smacked us. So when we go back in the playoffs, Sean Payton had all these custom earpieces made, dead silence. So all week we wore these earpieces and we non-verbally communicated every play, every snap count, and we got up there and we, we, we did it. It worked like a charm as far as that. We still lost, of course, they went on to win the Superbowl, but it was, it was that ultra to your, to your point.

It was really, it was so to your point, it was really, it was so loud. It, it like hurt. So we had these custom earpieces. Mm hmm. That I asked for. Not your Kansas city. We did that with Kansas city, but, uh, the old King dome before they built this

stadium, they used to have a, they used to have a dome in Seattle called the King dome. Yeah. No, that didn't know that they now it only hold about 60,000 Ocho, but boy you talk about loud. Maybe in there rocking up. It doesn't always rain in in Seattle is always raining in Seattle. Those people walking around sad all week and they go in a

stadium and scream. That's all it is. It's all the rain though. The Astrodome was like that steel. Oh the House of Pain used to call it the house of pain They did well didn't know they had warm moon they ran the running shoot and they defense may Boy but the bills the bills is like the bill stadium that's loud Now what they call it in mark or whatever't know what they call it, in mark

or whatever they call it, high mark or something. But it used to be called a rich stadium. Ocho? Yeah. Them jokers be talking about, let's go Buffalo. Yeah. Little bit talking about now. I'm not gonna lie, it's hard.

Yeah, it's hard. It's dope. That was one of my favorite places to play throughout my career. That energy is- Them jokers start jumping around, T, you better tell him. Yeah, nah, it's hard. It's hard.

They got a nice atmosphere up there. Hey, Buffalo got some crazy fans. They tell, they go jumping out there, wrestling, jumping on burning tables. Yeah, yeah, nah, they got real football up there. Real football atmosphere. You know what's funny too, T, when you think about it,

listen, Buffalo fans deserve their flowers you know what's funny too, T, when you think about it, listen, Buffalo, Buffalo fans deserve their flowers. Anytime it comes to donating, you know, when they have them, what Buffalo fans come through like no other. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. They always show love, man.

They used to tragedy. They always lose. So they know how to have a losing way though. You know what I mean? Like they know how to get close, get to the door and get closed shut on them. So they used to lose and they know how to handle it well. Well, oh.

So you guys, Chiefs, One Packers, Stee Hawks, Vikings, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patris, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patriots, Cowboys. Saints too low. Saints too low? Saints too low. So you think Saints should be in the top five?

Real Saints atmosphere, top three environment. Oh, whoa, wait, hold on. If the Saints top three environment, then Cincinnati with damn show got to be in top five. No, no. It ain't even the same argument with you. It ain't even in the same, yeah. No, no. I had played in this new stadium,

but the old Metro don't you play no Metro don't right T. Crazy, crazy. I hate them too, can't stand them. Oh, aggravating. I played up there man where they had Johnny Randall, they had Chris Dover rest his soul. They had Keith. My lord. They had Al Noga and they had Henry Thomas Hank Boy, they had a defense out of this. Yeah boy boy boy boy In Floyd the defense corner. I think was Floyd Peters. What floor is last night? I

Think it was Reese. Boy, you talking about come? No. Man, don't let them sack, don't you let them sack that quarterback T. Man, they just- They was doing that storm. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. That's all. Yeah, yeah, no, for real. All right, Jordan, cause right now he just logged on. Fun fact, he one of the audio first athlete, the original music man fan guy, he's been trying. We've been trying to get him on for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago. He said, man, let me come on.

Yeah, and here he is. Ladies and gentlemen, your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. What's up, what's up, oh. Yeah, what they do, man. We live in life, we blessed, we alive, man. I'm loving it, man, happy to be here with y'all. Y'all know I'm a big fan of the show. Shout out to my guy up there, man, big dog. I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I'm a Dolphins supporter.

What's up, good. I'm a Dolphins supporter, I got fam out of Miami, but shout out to you, man, shout out to the whole crew. Yeah, sorry. Shout out to the whole crew. Yeah, sorry. Shout out to all you, you dope, man. Super dope. So you're from the Bay, living in LA now. So were you a Raiders fan?

You a 49ers fan? I'm a Raider. You see the Niners, to us, they like the, they like the prima donnas of the Bay. You know what I mean? They like the pretty girl at school. Everybody want the Raiders. We got in that grit and growing up, my mom was in real estate. So one of her first real estate deals was Lance Johnstone when he came to the Raiders.

OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. 51. I remember he used to give us tickets to the game and my mom would always take me to the game. And then one of my close friends, Taiwan Jones, he was drafted to the Raiders from our high school, Deer Valley. So I've always been a big Raider fan. Marshawn Lynch, Charles Woodson, you know, always been a big Raider fan, man. All right. We will get you out of here.

CJ Gardner Johnson goes off on DC big fan G on IG. I was a test dummy for them. So now they can be like my scheme work or did my skill set make it work? I had zero issues. People had issues with me. So yeah, let the salary cap be the excuse. Big Fangio, he said that CJ Gardner Johnson trade was a salary cap issue, a salary cap thing. And I'm fine with it. Just don't let the young guys know like y'all did me. Hey, what, what?

Hold on, man. Basically, he said the situation was a big fan, Joe, the defensive coordinator. He said the re they traded him because it was a salary cap issue. Now they didn't save a whole lot of money, maybe a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but moving forward, cause you got, who you got coming up, Ocho? You got that big dog up front. Yeah.

Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. It's gonna take some brave. Big Brit. And then you got, you're gonna have brother Mitchell. He gonna be coming up. You gonna have Tupac Dejan. He gonna be coming up. Right gonna have Tupac Dijon. He gonna be coming up.

Right. So they clean the house? No, you know. They clean the whole people. But it happened, bro. You got a ring. You got an opportunity to come back. You got a ring.

And somebody wanted you. When somebody trades for you, T, let me know what you think about this, T. When somebody trades for you, they're telling you they want you. Okay. The other team didn't want me. This new team traded for me. They gave up something to give me.

So clearly they see the value in me, even if the whole team doesn't. Yeah. CJ CJ, he, he real passionate man. He's he's very vocal. That's, that's his, that's his, his biggest attribute is passion. The way that he played a game is like, That's how he is off the field too though. He's very vocal, very passionate. So if it's the way that he's feeling, you really can't convince him otherwise.

So even though that the Houston Texans did want to, they wanted him, they traded for him, they gave away compensation for him to be a part of their team. CJ's still gonna let Philly know how he feel. That's just how he is. That's how he work. Yeah, you know, I talk to CJ all the time, man. CJ and I are really close. Like T said, he's very passionate about,

especially about the way the game, the game of football in general, the way it is and some of the things that he knows is going on. I think he allows that passion and love for the game. If he gets that, it's business at the end of the day. Always has been, always will be. That's a fact. It's tough, though. It's tough when you devote so much, you know, like you said, think about it.

You get out there and you can't walk until Wednesday and you are hobbling and you're doing everything you can to give them everything you can. And then they do something like this. So I don't know. And they trade you. Yeah. I definitely get it. That's a good question. That was some of my one, some of my one dad. So I'll three of you guys, like, what's it, what is it like kind of being married to a situation?

You may have bought a home in this city or whatever it may be. You raised a family here and because it's time to blow it up and we want to get younger players in, what's that like that transition, like having to know you got to leave? You you understand it, you understand it, Sam, like I already knew at some point I knew my time was coming. I didn't know when that day would be. Well, obviously I was able to squeeze out 10 years,

normally 10 years to your cutoff point, no matter how good you are. If you go down the list of some of the great receivers, there've been very few that stayed on one team for a very long time. The two that I could think of, maybe the longest might've been Jerry Rice and Larry Fongero. You know, Jerry. Jerry at some point left,

but Larry Fongero's one of the few I can think of that stayed at one organization for a very long time. I knew my time was coming. So while I was there, wherever I was at, whatever cars I was dealt, I would often play with my hand hand, saying I had fun. So when that time did come, you know, I was at peace with it. Because I understood the business side of it, which is why I chose to have fun instead.

Because I understood the politics and business side that came with it. Right. You know it's going to happen, but it doesn't make any easier. Right. Because of what you give to that organization. All those pain killing injections that I I took all that all all that Those those poor doll shots that I took just to be able to go play and now I have one down year You like I get good seven consecutive Pro Bowls first team all pros three a thousand y'all all that

man It's tough. I all that. It's tough. I tell you, I ain't gonna tell you no lie. Yeah, that is I'm like, bro, damn, I thought I was gonna be one of them John Elwes. I will give me 12, 13, 14 with one. Yeah, no, it's real. It's real. Simple for real. Just and just to add to what what Ochoa and Unc is saying, especially is today's media and Adam Scheffler and Ian Rappaport, them guys get the news before you do.

You know what I mean? So that's the part that I was seeing be really impactful negatively to some players. I had one of my teammates here in the Saints, he was a running back, and we chilling in training camp, playing a game. And he just scrolling on Twitter bro he just got released by the Saints he had no idea like no no idea and it was really

he got released they kept one of their rookie running backs that they had they had drafted so on Twitter he had no idea you know I mean that that's the part that hurt. The fact that the Matt is is what Ocho and I we go around sometimes I like bro when Adam Shepard and these guys be talking, where do you think they get that from? They get that from the teams. They get that from the general manager. They get that from owners.

They get that from player personnel directors. They're getting that from NFL sources. Oh, yes, they do. I mean, Adam Shepard making, you know, long, lots of money. These re these insiders, they make a lot of money and they built up great relationships because this is why they say anonymous. This is why they say sources because the moment they give up one source, they're done.

I hope you've made a lot of money because if you give up one source, nobody will ever go on record with you again. Nobody will ever tell you ish. That's why Adam Schefter got all those phones. That's why he taking calls. He's live on air taking calls. That's crazy.

There ain't no dummy calls. That's crazy. That's why I got so much love for the king. You know, we see eye to eye when it come to King James. That's why I got so much love for the king because these organizations got the ability to move you where they want you to be, but you never kind of got the opportunity to pick where you want to go.

Right. So, but let me ask you one question. I'm going to get out you guys way. Going just going through your discography, man. What's it like to have a song with the legendary DMX? Man, honestly, bro, like I can't I can't I can't tell you because the way that happened, I really wasn't involved on the process of that. That was Joyner Lucas's thing and him and X had a relationship and right before X had

passed, I believe that might have been the last verse Joyner told me that he might have laid before he passed. We had a great relationship and they had laid a song and one day Joiner hit me and he was like, yo, I got this joint me and X did, I want you to get on it. And of course I was honored to be a part of it. It's X, I grew up trying to be like X from rapping like him to trying to act like him

and exit wounds, you know? So it was just a blessing to be a part of it, honestly, man. I'm dope, man. Yeah. Well T, I know you gotta get out of here, man. I appreciate that, man. We appreciate your time. Good looking at you.

Appreciate you guys. When you get some more time, hey, stop by with us again, man. We'd love to have you. Of course, man, appreciate you guys. Love. Yeah, thank you, Blake. Hold on.

All right, man. What you got? What was it? Hey, tell us about the YouTube channel. You're getting ready to launch. Boom. Oh, yeah. Really, man, being a big fan of you guys showing everything you guys doing, I'm looking to get into my own. I want to talk online.

I want to talk online, D line some details of the trenches, how Kobe and Peyton Manning had the details showing they really broke down right what they're seeing and how they analyze the game. I want to be one of those people and kinda really take over that avenue for O-line D-line to where it's easily digestible so I can be an educator in that space so you know what technique is used,

you know who that sack is on and how it happened. You know what I mean? That's just gonna be a part of my YouTube show. So Toronto Armstead show coming soon, man. I appreciate you guys. You already got a partner We we got some we got some things Yeah, we got to talk about mine You got you got to talk, uh, you know big willy anderson, huh? Yeah for sure. Yeah

Big willy willy will be real good in that space, especially from an informative standpoint, playing the O-line position, man. He gonna be there for sure. He gonna save her. Yeah. All right. Well, T, we really appreciate that. His YouTube show launched on June 17th. He's gonna break down,

it's gonna be the final points of O-line and D-line play. What actually happened to set, quick set, jump set. He watched the staff, he dropped down, he played for the bull, he bend, all set. He watched the staff, he dropped down, he played for the bull, he bend, all that stuff. All the good stuff, the intricate stuff that a lot of people don't talk about, you'll be able to get that on Tehran's YouTube channel.

So check it out, it's launching June 17th. T, appreciate your time, man. Appreciate your time. And when you get an opportunity, stop by with us, bull. Sir. T. The volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the

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