Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Teofimo Lopez WINS WBA Welterweight Over Rolly Romero + Joe Milton SURGICAL vs Cardinals + DeShaun Watson CALLS OUT Browns FANS

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Teofimo Lopez beating Rolly Romero, Joe Milton shines vs Cardinals and DeShaun Watson calls out Browns fans! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Introduction04:50 - Teofimo Lopez beats Rolly Romero18:49 - Cowboys beat Cardinals29:15 - Bills beat Browns (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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majority decision to win the WBA World World to weight title becoming a three-weight world champion. Glenn Feldman scored the ball to draw. I don't know what he was watching. You muted, Ocho. I don't know what he was watching. What fight? Maybe he was ordering a takeout,

but to have that a draw is embarrassing. And that's why people become very suspect when you have scores like this in Ocho. Ocho, what do you think Roly went wrong at? He went wrong for one not being aggressive enough. He's never been a volume puncher. Looking for one shot, one hit a quarter, obviously that left hook. He caught, he caught him a few times with a check hook, maybe three or, yeah, three or four times.

He opened him up with it, but he won aggressive enough. If you're not a volume puncher, right? At some point, if you're not going to be a volume puncher, you at least got to go forward. He fought on his back foot the entirety of the fight. The entirety of the fight. So at no point did he, was he the aggressor? I'm not sure. maybe that fifth round knock down where I thought Roli had a chance to get to get Tio out of there.

We caught him with that check hood and had him days a little bit. Maybe that's what the judge saw and made it his role. But after that, Tio, he didn't dominate, but he was in control of the fight from from the fifth round all the way to the 12. I agree. He caught him with a check hook to open him up and then he caught him with an overhand also that really, really dazed. But he came out lack of days ago in the sixth round on show. I thought that was the time that he was going to jump on him. But then he went right back into the shell, scared to look in the punch in between punches.

And Tiofimo had a great game plan because he wasn't throwing volume punches. He threw one or two punches and get up out of there. But every time he threw the punch, he was just looking, Roli was just looking for the check. He's looking for the check hook. He's looking for the big punch over the top. And Tiofimo really, with the exception of the fifth round, really never gave him that opportunity.

And at some point in time, yes, I understand that Roli and his team had a strategy. But at some point in time, you're going to have to abandon that strategy when it's not working. And clearly it was not working early on. because Tio Fimo wasn't going to give him the opportunities that he needed. Ryan Garcia got sloppy. Tiofimo didn't get sloppy. And Roli, you got the belt. What I don't understand, Ocho, he's fighting like he didn't have the belt.

He got the bell. But you also have to understand, the better boxer, the better pure. Yeah, Tiofimo. The better pure of boxer. So obviously, when the game plan wasn't working, I don't think Roli was listening to his corner. His corner was telling him what he need to do. At some point, you've got to step on the gas.

At some point when plan A's not working, you got to go to plan B. When plan B doesn't work, you've got to have a plan C. You got to have that. You got to round by round, first two or three, you feel each other out. You try something, it doesn't work. You set something up round two, so you get executed in round five and so forth and so on. But Roley just had the same game playing for round one all over the way to 12, hoping that check hook would work. And obviously, that overhand, but he just couldn't hit him.

What you see, Joe? Man, after Roli opened him up in their fifth round, okay, Ocho, you're right. He was supposed to apply pressure in that sixth round, bro. Hey, it's like he was playing, he was on his back foot the whole night. And not only that, I just feel like Tia Fimo, he looked confident the whole time.

Even when he got rocked in that fifth round, bro, he came out in the sixth round. He probably had one of his best rounds in the sixth round. Yep. So I don't know what Roli was thinking, neither. Even at the end, when his corner kept telling, Hey, man, you got to keep that right hand up. Keep that right hand up.

And you got to knock him out. You're going to have to fight these last three rounds. And I just felt like, man, he just didn't. For whatever reason, he didn't have it. He showed flurries here and there. But for the most part, T.Ofemo controlled the whole game, bro. The whole fight. Yeah.

I think if you had one judge based on what he saw, if he made it a draw, really would have had to win those last two rounds. They either make it a draw officially across the board with all the judges or to even have a chance to fight. Because you weren't active enough. You weren't active enough. You fought the whole fight on your back foot.

And then you weren't the aggressive either. The only thing I could think of was Roley was probably thinking, in order for this dude to get my belt or to beat me, he's going to have to really beat me. You know what I mean? Because outside of that, hell, he wasn't really throwing nothing like that. I mean, he kept using that check hook.

And I ain't going to lie, boy, that check hook was, hey, every time Tia Fimo through that little left, he would come with that check hook. So. But outside of that, Yeah, he didn't show me nothing that was where I was like, oh, yeah, Roley, you know what mean? Outside that fifth round, he didn't really show me none.

So, no, he didn't. I expect to see more. I expected Roley to come to fight more, too, obviously. And it's not like Tiofimo, yeah, Tiofimo is a, you know, he's a great boxer, Ocho, you mentioned he got a great skill set. But he ain't like he got like crazy KO power. Yeah. No, he doesn't, but he will piece you up, though.

You got to think, Tio's much quicker. Tio's much faster. He has better footwork, you know, as far as being able to slip. So he can counter Roley really good. If Roley goes out because of this awkward style of fighting, Roly leaves itself open with the way he throws punches. He throws everything with power. Everything is power.

There's nothing finesse. He doesn't use the jab to, you know, to get in range. He's just one hitter, one hitter, one punch here, one punch. It's like it's always been his thing. And if he can't, he's a one-trick pony. I don't mean to be disrespectful. He's a one-trick pony. If he can't knock you out, if he can't hit you with the overhand, you got a good chance.

Coach, sometimes when you're a fireman, you got to go into the burning building. You're not going to always get an opportunity to rescue the cat out of the tree or get the ducks out of the storm drain. Sometimes you got to go into the building and you got to rescue the kid or you got to rescue a family. Rola has to understand he's a fireman and sometimes he has to go into the burning building. Tonight he seemed unwilling to go into the burning building. He was waiting for somebody to come out like, no, bro, go see. If nobody, you don't might not, nobody might not even be in that building,

but you've got to go see for yourself. And tonight, man, this is, I'm like, bro, I was, I was very disappointed. Considering that we had him on and how he talked. Yeah. That's what got me. I spent $80. Eight dollars I ain't half.

You spent. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, come on, man. Hey, you're talking about the 80. You spent hell, I went on, bit the bullet and went on spit the little 400. There's all I could go on get the, come on, man. Yeah.

Well, I bought it last week. Maybe it needed to transfer. Maybe I need to get it on this TV because I bought it. I bought it in Atlanta. I don't think it transferred. I was like, well, damn. Okay. It was just, it was, I just thought Roly was going to fight better.

You're right, Ocho. He's a guy that's very unorthodox. He does have power now. He does have power. Oh, yeah. But at some point in time, you can't just look to land out one punch because this guy is too skilled. He's not going to get lazy and give you those opportunities.

like Ryan Garcia. Ryan got lazy and gave you the opportunity and you took advantage of it. Kudos. But as you step up in skillset, you're gonna have, I think in order for him to go further and to be what he thinks he can be, Ocho, I think you're gonna have to change his style.

I don't think this style is conducive because as you go up, guys get more, are better in class and they're not gonna give you the opportunities. They're gonna slam that door in your face. Yeah, you have to think. He already started boxing. maybe 17 or 16 into his career. So actually changing his style,

completely changing his style at this point after Ory went in belts. And there's a saying, obviously if it's not, Brokes don't fix it. But I think it's almost impossible, Unk, to change his style after fighting for this long.

Well, I'm not so much changing style, but he might have to become a little bit more aggressive. Because I just, but just to look to land that one shot. Because when you fight guys, it's kind of like, you go back and look at Tyson. When Tyson started fighting better fighters,

he fought Lennox Lewis and what happened. He fought Holyfield and what happened. As you start fighting better and better guys, they're not going to let you get, they're not going to make the mistake that will hurt them. That's going to let you land that power shot. Whatever the case may be, whatever your power shot is,

they're not going to make that mistake. They're going to play to your weakness, not just strength. And I think that's the thing that Roley's going to have to adapt to, Ojo, because tonight, tonight was very, and like you said, guys, he was just like sitting there, the guys talking to him. And I'm like, bro, what? Most of the time I see a guy, the trainer's talking.

The guys are looking dead at him. Like, yes, I hear everything that you're saying. It was like, he was like someplace else. Yeah. And you know what? It makes it easier. It makes some of the better boxes for the boxes that are able to adjust round by round. You come out with a game plan where your game player is not working.

They can adapt and adjusts. I think Roly doesn't have enough tools in a toolbox to be able to do that, especially with a skill for fighter like Tio. I mean, he just doesn't. Based on what we've seen, all of his fights have been the same way. The style has been the same way, you know, waiting for that one shot because he can crack. And if he catch you, you're going to sleep every time. For Ryan Garcia, Ryan Garcia, as quick as his hands are, he relies too much on his speed

and he leaves the cell open all the time. That's why Roli was able to knock him out. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't picture Tia Fimo coming to this fight, Uncle Ocho, moving forward the way he was against Roly. I'm going to be honest with you. I thought Roley was going to really put some pressure on him, and obviously with him having a belt, hey man, I felt you was going to have to take it.

Outside of that fifth round, here, what are we talking about? Outside of that fifth round, Rowley didn't show was nothing, bro. I'm just keep it real. It looked like he was lack of days ago. I don't know if he took it for granted. But like I talked about, when you know a fighter and a fighter knows you, Arche Ocho, he brings a different element to the fight, bro. You know what I mean?

He knows your weaknesses, he know your strength. Hell, he ain't scared. Hey, man, Tiofimo looks like a different fight at the other night. If you think about it, Joe, that's why some basketball players don't like to train with other basketball players. I'm not sure of my stuff. There you go. Because I'm having some of the stuff that I'm working on, I'm going to show it. When you see it, we're going to be in the game.

You damn sure won't see it on the practice court. You won't see any workouts. I promise you that. You're going to see it. Facts. Because listen, in times, guys will play great defense, but you got counters. You got counters to all these great defenders.

Hell, I ain't trying to show you all that, man, me, and you were here sparring, working out going, you know what I mean? Then when we get out here on the real court, you know, you know all my little moves, you all, you know all my little Ian's out. No, bro. No, you're going to have to see me in the real deal. That's how I was. Okay, Ocho, I ain't never really work out with guys like that.

I didn't either. No. No. I didn't either. No. I ain't worry out with no defense. All we do, if you come to the track, we can run. Everything else I'm doing, you won't know nothing about it.

You will see it. You will see it again. Man, what you learned at at? Don't worry about it. I was disappointed in Rowley. I definitely thought he would fight better than what he fought, what he showed tonight. I think he's a better fighter, Ocho and Joe.

This fight was standing, I think Oroly is better than what he showed tonight. I don't know what transpired. Maybe it did zap him to go down to 147 and he says look he's looking it's getting harder for him to make 47 Maybe he needs to stop it, but he ain't seeing boots fight like that Oh, no sir at 54 wait, wait who want to fight boots he go up to 54 he got no damn choice Hold on hold on hold on Now you come he said hold on he said something about fighting the fedora kid when we had him on here Oh, he don't he don't want to see him neither here. Oh, he don't he don't want to see him near hell

No, he don't want that. A, A, Fondora, Fondora throws volume punches. A lot of punches around. He, no disrespect to Roli, but he would get rolling. He would be swore looking like Kitturman. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, is that that check hook that he would be looking to throw the counter,

Fadora, he's going to be hitting him in the shoulder. He keeps that in his back pocket. Because he, hey, because he would literally have to throw that check hook up here. I was just, I was just disappointed. I thought I would see. I thought we would see better from Roli, but unfortunately we didn't see it tonight. Give Timo his credit, Tiofimo his credit.

Tia Fimo came with a game plan. He stuck to his game plan. He looked good and doing it. He looked, I'm not saying, considering how he looked, how Shakur made him look. And this, he's like, so he's somewhere in between. I don't think he's as bad as what Shikour made him look.

I don't think he's as good and Roli made him look. He's somewhere in between that guy. That's what I think. Yeah, I think you got to get to a female his credit because he probably learned something from fighting Shakur. You know, okay, Ocho, because he came into this fight, bro. He looked sharp.

He looked like the better fighter from round one. Yeah. Yeah. His game player was to look. I'm not putting a whole bunch of punches together. I'm going to throw. If you think about the guys, he threw one or two punches. That was it.

Yeah. Yeah. You got to be careful too, huh? The more punches you throw, the- that you leave yourself susceptible for the counter. And that's exactly what Rody was trying to do. He was worried about counter tonight. So there was no need for Tio to throw volume punches.

Oh, yeah. That's all Roli was doing counter and throwing that check hook. He was waiting for him to throw something out there. He'd come with that check hook. Hell, if it won't for the check hook, he probably, hell, he probably wouldn't even land in nothing, for real. Sometimes, oh, Joe, you go fishing. I know you ain't a fishing, but Joe, you know this.

Sometimes when you go fishing and they ain't biting one type of bait, you got to change up the bait. I can't just throw it out well. Well, maybe this bait still and throw some more bait out there. Well, maybe, nah, hell, no, I'm going to try, I'm going to try, I'm going to try Red Wigglers, I'm going to try, you lose there on a pink, I'm going to go to, I'm going to live cut bait, I'm going to go to minos, I'm going to go to crickets. I'm going to try something. Because at this point, what I'm doing right now ain't working. Damn. The Dallas Cowboys.

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Lost a 53-yard touchdown pass to Jonathan Mingo. Another deep pass pound, Camden Brown, who's having an unbelievable camp this year. Ocho. Yeah. I feel like Joe Milton is going to find himself in a situation like, oh boy, down in Miami. Malik Willis. Malik Willis. Malik Willis.

I swear I thought that same thing. He could be a starter, Ocho. Ain't no way in hell. You're going to tell me that 32 quarterbacks better than this man. But I got a question for you too, Uncle. He has a chance to be a starter, but where would he be a starter at? Don't worry about it. I tell you the middle of the season.

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I tell you to build the season. Hey, Ong, I was thinking that same thing. I swear I was, I was like, hey, man, Joe Milton here, the way he out here playing willing and dealing, man, it's going to be hard to keep that boy as a back up, man. He armed talented now.

Oh. Hey, hold on. You got, you jogging my memory now. You jogging my memory. Now, I'm thinking about the teams that actually need a quarterback. What teams actually need a quarterback and are looking for a starter where they're starting quarterback number one is on ice? The Jets. Well, we said, oh, Cho, remember we said that last year, who needs a quarterback?

When we talked about Malik Willis left. And you say, well, who needs a quarterback? I said, well, Miami going to be in the market for a quarterback. Somebody else going to be in the market for a quarterback. You watch. Yeah, okay, okay. Keep eye on that Cleveland situation. How about that one?

Keep an eye on that Cleveland situation. No. We're going to talk about Cleveland a minute. What did you like about? Let's go to Joe. This is Joe's team. Joe, what you like about what you saw from Joe Milton III? Man, I like how sharp he was tonight running at Cowboys' offense.

I like Ocho, two touchdown passes. is one rushing. He was, and I like the Malik Davis kid, the running back back down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that first drive,

they were awesome on that first drive. Malik Davis had some great runs. He caught that touchdown right there, probably like what was like the five or the seven to kind of running in. Our young, our young guys looked great, bro. They came out and competed.

You look at the depth. Everybody looks strong. Milton and the defense. I mean, think about the roster cuts by the jury to come up, bro. I thought Dallas young, yeah, I thought Dallas Young Corps, them young guys. I'm telling offense and defense, they stepped up, they played big. It was fun to watch, fun to watch. Yeah.

You know, he got armed talent, man. He can throw, and he can play, and I throw the ball. And he can use them legs too, uh-huh. Yeah, oh, yeah, he's very athletic. But I was just impressed. And I, we watched him, oh, you remember he was in New England. New England did him a solid, say, man, look, you know, you're not going to play here with Drake May.

Let's go ahead and get you somewhere. He goes to that. They trade him to Dallas. He's going to play himself into a starting job somewhere. I think people have seen enough. You look at the Brown situation. I don't think they'll settle on their quarterback. Even whoever wins the job, I don't think they'll settle.

Pittsburgh, Eric Rogers says, I'm only playing one more year. Are they going to be in position? Are they going to lose enough games that they're going to be high enough to draft the quarterback early? Yeah. He doesn't play there. The Jets, are they going to be, are they going to lose enough games to be able to get a quarterback?

So it's going to be very interesting to see. I think there are some places, some landing spots for him that he can find, he can find a good home. Oh, yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't like the Jets situation because you can go through a merry-go-round of quarterbacks, nothing's going to change. It'll change stars at top. I like the Pittsburgh idea for Drew Aller.

He's been kind of, he's been nice during the preseason. They might have the answer in their quarterback of the future in him. And Will Howard has to step it up or he going to be out the door. But I'm just looking at the landscape of it. Oh, oh. Now you, now you got my attention. Hey. Now you, now you got my tension. A big strong arm quarterback with those weapons.

You got Bijan Robinson. You got Drake London. You got Kyle Pitts. You got guys that can make plays for you. What, hey, with that do a threat and you put him with them with them Falcons, OK, oh, Joe, man, what are we talking about? Them boy gonna be serious, boy. Hey, Joe Milton, hey, if I'm an NFL team and I'm looking for a quarterback,

well, I think I need a reliable backup. Boy, that boy just played himself into something. The way he played in this preseason, Uncle Ocho, these first two games, hey, that man looked like, hey, the man look ready, bro. He does. Yeah, but also, also, let's remember, Joe, and this is no disrespect to your Cowboys. Now, we got to remember, these are the twos and the threes now.

These are the tools and the three. Now, we talk about being a starter. everything, everything is a little bit faster, much faster than what you actually see. He's going against the twos and the threes and he's playing with twos and threes, which would be fine in Cleveland. Because that's what they got.

Hey, why are you so hell bent on sending him to Cleveland, though? I'm just saying, because we're going to talk about Cleveland in a second. Right. Let's just hold off on the Cleveland. Right, right. The Dallas situation with Joe Milton, I think Camden Brown,

Camden Brown got him, he made a roster. Ooh. Hey, boy, he made a roster. He played in Georgia Southern. He played in Georgia Southern? Wait, cutting up like that. Hey, what is he about six, three, six, four? Six to six, two.

Yeah, he's a big kid. Hey, man, he's getting it done out there, boy. Yeah, man. Hey, look, I know it's preseason, but man, when you're a young player in a professional league and you get a chance to go out there and show and put your talents on display and let them know that you deserve a spot.

A rotation. Amen. All I want to do is see. Hey, Joe, it's funny too. Like what you say, this is the preseason. But all I do is consistently see him making plays. Hello. That's the thing.

I don't want you. Just don't flash one times. Every time I cut the tape on, let me see something. There you go. Let me see something else. Let me see something else. You give me no choice. Yes.

Now, the officer coordinator, not a head coach, asking the wide receiver coach. What do you think about Brown? You think we can we give him? Can we put some more on his plate? Because what I, what the thing is all I want you to do is eat what I put on your plate to begin with. I'll give you more once you eat that. What I can't do is put it on put it on your plate.

You waste it and then all of a sudden I put even more on your plate. When you waste what I already put on your plate. Yeah. Eat that. Yeah. Then I give you a little bit more. Yeah. And you know, it's players like that come in and plan the way they're playing right now.

Sometimes it gets a little iffy, especially come down to a numbers game, depending on what they have. You audition. Absolutely. If you're a rookie, you auditioning. If you don't make the 53 there and they don't bring you back

for the practice squad with that 15, you still auditioning for another team. They're not cutting. Because Dallas Cowboys are not, they're not dumb enough to cut him. No, they cut him. They know somebody going to pick him up. Based on what he's done thus far,

he's gone, Ocho and Joe. Somebody's going to put him on the active roster. Ain't nobody signing him. Right away. Nobody's, no one is going to sign him and put him on a practice squad. They're going to put him on an active roster. So the Cowboys, he's going to make the roster.

I'm saying, but hold on. I thought Joe Milton got a little contract to be a backup. I thought he had a nice contract. He did. But somebody, they'll trade him to say, hey, because it's going to be hard for him to be that talent. Now, the thing is, then hopefully knock on wood, but that does have an injury history.

He does. I know you don't like to hear that, Joe, but he does. I got you. I'm with you when you're right. Hey, hey. Hey, uncle, he was, he was clean all that. No, he heard his hamstring. remember yeah as she did pull his hamstring that's right that's right that's right that's right

he did pull his hamstring he missed a lot of time soft tissue yeah hey we got some bright spots though boy oh yeah season with this young obviously cd and pitt going to be there they like florinois i think now i think brown the way brown just played he's played he's played itself into that fourth receiver yeah yeah oh wait hold on hold on fourth florinole herbin no flor you know they got They got Turpin. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot it, but yeah,

Turpin right too. They play him in the slot. I think the thing is, plus the question is, and I don't see a problem with this, I think Brown will be willing to play special teams because the more, he got to be able to play special teams. Because when you're the fifth receiver, you just

can't be the field receiver just come in on your 03 down. You got to have value somewhere else. So you got to be on punt, punt return, kick, kick return. You got to do something in the special teams area. You know, to show your worth because the fifth receiver just can't be the fifth receiver. Right.

The fifth corner just can't be the fifth corner. The fifth linebacker just can't be the fifth linebacker. You got your special teams. Those are your guys, your special teams guys are made up of your third, your fourth, your fifth guys at the other depth, the linebackers, the tight-hand, the DBs, the wide receivers. Those are your, those are your special team.

Your third offensive line, but, I mean, excuse me, your fourth offensive lineman, your fourth defensive lineman, that's your special teams right there. But I love the way, I love the way Camden Brown has played thus far when he's got an opportunity. He's made those plays. Joe Melton looked good tonight. Mingo, he finally showed a fash, a big time bomb,

two catches, 62 yards of a touchdown, a 53 yard long. The Cowboys did what they're supposed to do. When the backup come in, we're playing backup, let's look better than their backup. We ain't got to look like backup. We got to look, let's make it look like we're a starters. Make them look like backups. So I was impressed with what I saw from the Cowboys

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And many, many more. Open your free high-heart radio app. Search Delivering Happiness with Nick Titoro. And listen now. I want to talk about this game, so here we go. The bills beat the Brown's 31 and 7. Shador had a good, good showing in its preseason start. 9 of 11, 74 yards in the first half in a touchdown.

He threw a six, eight yards. touchdown pass the cap of 65-yard scoring drive on his opening possession. But through an interception, I don't know if it got tipped. It might have gotten tipped. It would become out a little behind the guy. A little behind. A little behind. Just a tad bit that allowed to get his hand on him.

Deshawn Watson struggling for, he had the entire second half, five or 12, 35 yards of interception. After the game, Deshawn wasson addressed being booed by the Browns crowd. Let's take a listen to what Deshaun had to say. Man, I didn't have no reaction. I think the biggest thing is, I think you guys know too, and I think the whole world knows, it has nothing to do about the performance. It's a little bit personal than that, so I think that's a disrespectful thing.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm going to keep whatever I feel with me and my family internally on how I feel about that. And, yeah, just move on. But don't you think, Deshaun, that, that, that, winning and playing better would eliminate some of that bullying? Last time I played on this field, I told my Achilles. And that same fan base, they cheered when I got hurt. So does that have to do it?

What does that have to do with anything about performance? When a person get hurt, especially for your own city, and they cheer. Does that make you regret coming here? No, I don't regret anything in my life. You know, I think the Lord put me through situations for a reason. So I don't regret anything at all. But, you know, I had different thoughts on how it was going to be. But, you know, it is what it is.

You know, sometimes, you know, the table's turn. And I'm patient enough because I'm a child of God to, you know, wait for that time to change. So I'm not tripping on it. I'm not tripping on it. Orchow? You want to go or you want me to go? Yeah, I'm going to go.

I'm just say the Brown fans in general. They haven't forgot the incidents. No. The incidents that happened while you were at Houston. They haven't forgot that. That's for one. That left a bad taste in their mouth. You come here.

You get guaranteed money. You get hurt. Not once, but you get hurt twice. So therefore, they understand that you haven't been able to give us anything on the field if you gotten hurt, not once, but you got hurt twice. Therefore, they're going to feel that way. What you can do is a player. There's one thing.

You want fans to stop booing? There's one thing that cue is there. One thing. Performer better. Yeah. Playing better and winning. Playing better and winning. Boy, you hit a louder cheers you've never heard before.

If they get something, they haven't gotten a very long time. Consistent play at the quarterback position and Ws at the end of games. That's all they care about. Those those bulls will turn into cheers and they will be happy. They don't care about nothing else. all you're going to help our team win man they forget all about that stuff that happened on the outside all that personal stuff yes it is personal right now that's why they're booing

they're booing because of their personal stuff because that's all they have to rely on right now because you're not doing nothing on the field that's it that's all to come down to winning cures everything basketball football in life in the corporate world it doesn't matter what it is man outro smoking too many damn cigar them folk want to see shit do it they trying to hear that. And I think what I think I think I think what DeShan Watson is dealing with mentally emotionally, okay Ocho, I think it's really messing with him. You know, you hear you hear him

talk after the game and the way he says that the fans is it's very personal. It's more than football. I don't know I don't know mentally if he can if he can that's why I tell you I'm I think she'll go going to win the job. I think they're going to end up releasing releasing Deshaun. You're going to have to get you. You got to let him go, man. They booing the man. He's coming to game. He at home, bro.

They booed him last year. Ocho, you got to move on. I think if I'm the Browns, I'm going to put it in Shadour hands, make a break, see what he got for the season. But to come out and say, okay, we're going to start the show up for the first three, four game.

Hell, man, what are we doing? No, no. Starting to four three or four games, you go O and four, then you bring in Shaddu. You're season's already over. Yeah. What's the likelihood of you winning nine of your next 12 games?

You gotta get a, it's hard when you get off to a slow start because wins and losses, it's easy to go on a losing streak. It's easy to go on a winning street. And normally when you go on one, you stay on that one. And when you go on the other, you stay on that one too. I think the thing, you know, and DeShan said, you know, when I tore my Achilles, they cheered. But you hadn't give, I mean, yeah, they cheered.

Well, you hadn't given them anything to cheer. with your play prior to that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Ocho, you said winning cures a lot. It is a great deodorant, winning is, but there's still an underlying stench. There's an underbelly that some, no matter what you do, is not gonna forgive you for that.

And you have to be okay with that. Yeah. You gotta be okay with that. The mere fact is you say, well, I don't wanna tell you what I'm thinking I'll keep that between me and my family. We already know what you think. Hello. Because if it was something good, what would you share?

What we like to do, Ocho, we like to share good news, don't we? We like to share positivity. That's what we do. Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm not, look, I know Deshawn a little bit. So I take that out of the equation, but I also understand the human element on the other side of it. Yeah.

So take the relationship I have with Deshaun, set that to the side. Now look at it from a purest fan's point of view. you come to my team you come to our city my team given the situation what had happened okay whatever that case for me whatever that is now you lose it we win no games you came here to win we're not winning so what you want me to do now i don't agree i don't agree with that that cheering that somebody get hurt i don't think you should cheer if the opposing player get hurt that's classless that's bush league i don't care what you're not sure i don't care what you're not you should cheer i don't care what the fan base is.

Right. You don't hear somebody else misfortune. You don't do that. That's low. I don't care if that's your staunches rival. Raiders, Kansas City. I would have been very disappointed if the Bronco fame,

Bronco country had cheered for someone to get hurt from the opposing team. You don't do that. I got no problem if they booed because they're booing for a reason. Yeah. Because I've heard them cheer so many times. But it's normally we've given them something to cheer about and if we don't give them something to cheer about and they played that the paid their hard earned money. Yeah, let us have it. Maybe that'll give us the kick in the ass that we need. Hey, you just answered y'all. Give them something to cheer about. Yes. You just answered it. Boone. Hey, hey, uncle Joe, booing has always been a part of the game. Yes. Cheering has always been the part of the game. Sometimes they boo you. Sometimes they cheer you as a player as an, as an, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a,

especially an NFL player. That shouldn't bother you any way, shape, or form. Even if it's from your own team. Because there were times in our stadium in Cincinnati, early in my career, year two, three and, year two, three, and four. Yeah, they booed us. Not booing me directly, but as a group collectively, yes, they're booed. I played deserved it.

You're still a part of the team. I'll play warranted that boo. Yeah. And I'll give him one more piece of advice, Ocho. Deshaun had the earrings already in your ear before you go up there. That's a bad look. Have, be already made up.

You putting those big old earrings in your ear, Ocho. You know it. Joe, you know it. That's a bad look. You don't want to give them any more ammunition. They've already got a lot of bullets to fire at you. The last thing I want to do is have them any more ammunition. You could have took a few extra seconds to take care of that in the locker room.

Come, stand before the podium. I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to give you some advice. don't give them any ammunition. They're looking for it. And you handed it to them. Because if I'm thinking it, who else you think, thinking it, Joe? Who else you think thinking to Locho?

Even an organization, yeah. The media. I'm surprised. They're probably right so tomorrow. We'll see what they have to say. Tomorrow. Yeah, somebody going to say something. Somebody going to say some.

They are. They are. And you know what I think? also the Cleveland meter, they're enjoying this. They're really enjoying, I don't want to call it a circus. They're enjoying the circus. They enjoy it because it gives everyone something right. Finally, whether negative or positive, the quarterback battle, it's awesome.

These are one of the best times in Cleveland Browns football right now because there's always something to talk about every single day. It is. Every single day. And when you think about it, to kind of move over to sure do her man them first damn eight passes uncle ocho that boy was spinning that thing man outside that little intersection he threw that was kind of behind him a little bit hell i think if he to score right there uncle ocho the browns we didn't know who the starter was

right now who go yeah if he to score right there if he wanted through that damn pick and they scored man please we know who the starter would be right now today did the ball get tipped at the line because i was waiting for him to go because this is the one thing i hate about preseason because you're only going to be able to see the games that they want you to see. I wanted to see because I knew we were going to talk about this game. That's the game I wanted to see. Yeah, no, it didn't get it out. I think when he threw it behind him a little bit, the dude who he was throwing it to,

he touched it and it popped up. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But outside of that, hey, man, he got stuff you can't teach. Okay, Ocho. They're poised and patients in the pocket. You know, with guys all around you, and they don't bother you.

You can stand in there and, and, and, and, and, you know, and initially things may not be open and you have to wait an extra half a second for him to open hey man that young man got it bro he got it bro nice and and hell he ran it i think 12 times hell how many yards he had on the ground because he was willing he was getting up out of that too who did should do her he ran it like 10 or 12 times huh he had one care for two yards did he ran the boot yeah they played the play the boot that's rahim sanders that's the other that's that a color oh i must have looked at the I thought you play well.

I mean, that's what you want to do. You have an opening drive on Joe, and you take your team right down there, and you put them in the end zone, made you know that crowd was going crazy. That crowd was going eight-ish. And he couldn't, he couldn't script a better day, minus the interception.

I'm with you, Joe, he gets this, ain't no doubt about it. What? What we talk about? Yeah. Because he ain't dinking and dorking, oh, it's your hair, he getting that ball down the field. Yeah. But you know what?

He's always been that kind of passing. Yeah, he was, yes. He ain't, he's not with that digging the dog. He's going to put that, he's going to, he's going to stress the field now. Yeah. He's going to stress the field. I just, the ball, I mean, when I look at it and, and, and, and, Sean, the ball is just a pop. The ball don't jump out his hand like it used to.

I think the injuries, I think the shoulder injury. I think the Achilles. I think he, I think he re-injured the Achilles. I think that and just the mental toll that the last several years has taken on him. That's a lot. That is a lot.

People are always, oh, but there ain't nothing just put, get on the feet. No, bro, bro, it ain't that simple. It is not that simple. So I think there's a combination of things of what, what's at play here.

His body is not the same. Clearly his play is not the same. Sometimes, sometimes mentally you get broken. broken down more so than physically. Yep. And if you're dealing with both of a mocho, what can I rely on?

Nothing. Right. Hey, and emotionally, I just, I don't see it, bro. I don't see, I don't see like the swag there. I don't see the confidence there. I don't see the,

the presence, the patience in the pocket. I just don't see it, bro. And I like this, Sean. You know what I mean? But when I watch him play, man, I just don't, you know, When you see it, when you watch a guy play,

whether it's football, basketball, whatever the sport may be, you want them to look comfortable, you want them to look confident, and I just don't see that, bro. Yeah. I think the thing is, a lot of times when you're at the apex

and something has, you have a transgression, everything that goes through your mind is like, what do they think of me? Right. Tiger Woods was never the same after that happened. Hello. They're not the same situation,

so I don't want people saying, with Sheldon Sharp said, Tiger Wood, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying after he went through his transgressions, he was not the same. Because the way people perceived him before and the way people look at him afterwards. It's just life. And you got to be strong mentally, very, very strong.

I don't know anybody in the chat have ever gone through something, but when you go through something and you go through it publicly. Because a lot of times people in the chat, Oh, Joe, we've gone through something public. A lot of times people in the chat, you've gone through something that's not, maybe it was public in your home time, maybe it was public at work,

but when the whole world knows who you are and it plays out publicly, you walk by everybody and think to yourself, what do they think about me? Yeah. Are they looking at me? You, hey, I'm me. I ain't going nowhere.

I'm not gonna shrink, I'm not gonna to support. come. It's tough, though. Anybody that tell you that has gone through something, especially publicly, and tell you, oh, man,

man, I wasn't worried at all. That's a lot. Hey. Go ahead. I'm, I'm one. I'm one. You know, hey, I went through that stone. Yeah.

I went through it. We're everywhere. Hill. UK. You know, man, sad, Saturday now. did my little 30 days.

What? Yeah, did my little 30 days came out right back, right back to Twitter. I think, shoot, my apology might still be up there. Right there. And then went right back to being,

just being, just being old show. I couldn't because there was nothing I could do. It's over. It doesn't happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's over. There was nothing I could do

that can make people change how they feel about me after that happened. They're not going to do. Outside of apologizing to those that matter, family friends, that individual as well, letting them know my sincerest apologies.

It'll never happen again. Boom, and I got to live my life, huh? You got to. I got to. I can't be worried how other people feel about me. I already had that gene in me a little bit anyway. I'm not caring how people feel. For those that do love me,

everything I'm doing is for you. Anyway, if you don't like me, I really don't care anyway. Yeah. Because how you feel about me? It doesn't change. It's not going to change anything. It was great to have like so many people

when you go out in public and they put the arm around you and talk about we still love you. I needed that, boy, back then. Oh, I needed that. Every time when I would go out and go into these markets and I'm doing La Portier and to hear people say, I don't even drink, I'm just here to support you. Mm.

Man, that meant the world of me. Yeah. Because boy, it was tough. Because I had never gone through anything like this publicly. I had never had, you know, I've always tried to handle whatever the case may be. I've tried to handle it in a professional manner. But this was one of those times that God says, no, I want you to slow down. Right.

I want you to take a look at yourself. You're doing too much and you ain't got me in the picture. You see, you think you're doing all this, don't you? Just like I let you ride up the elevator, I can stop the elevator right here. Now, I'm only going to let it go down and come. up the floors. Yeah. And then I'm gonna let it rise.

I'm gonna let it go back up. But I just want you to know. I'm here. I'm him. Yes. I'm in charge. Hey. Right.

Man. That's a lonely place. The loneliest place is alone in your own thoughts. Mm. I'm telling you now. People, I can see how, how it can get the, if you're not strong,

don't Joe? Joe, if you're not strong, strong, boy, that devil will get you. You're a break, because he's working. He's working overtime. Yeah. Oh, he's working overtime, huh? If you're not strong, Ocho,

if you didn't come up and having gone through something, you're a break. Hey, I got a question too. I'm not saying that, I mean, oh that's that's so tough because i would think for someone to be able to reach the level that we have when it when it comes to playing football and all the adversities and obstacles you have to overcome you have to be strong to even play this game in general with all it comes with so when you're having to deal with fans born and that that's all a part of the game in general

so mentally you should be able to be able to block that especially when it comes to playing the game because this this business is already grimy and dirty as it is and all the other elements that are under the umbrella when it comes to playing football like the boy that shouldn't even bother you but that should be the least of your worries ago Joe is that we were down here and so people talking about us but you got to realize the people that were talking about us was all was down there also is when you go up and you fall off from such a high platform see also oh cho if you right here and you step off the curb, it doesn't hurt as nearly as much as you falling off your house.

Now imagine you on a 10-story building and you fall off. That's how we were. Yes, sir. But the man said, look here, I'm going to give you a soft place to land, but I just wanted you to know I'm still in control.

And while you thought you was rising up these rings by yourself, I just had to show you. That one set of footprints, that was mine. They weren't yours. I was carrying your black ass. Come on, Dan. Come on there. Sometimes we do get beside ourselves.

I think that has a lot to do with it. I mean, even for Deshaun to go out there and to do what he's doing, I commend him. Because I know, I know what it's like. Ocho, you know what it's like to have the world to look at you. Man. But to the football field today, I think Shudor helped himself. I think Deshaun hurt himself.

That's just me. I have no contact. I don't know anyone in the Cleveland locker room. I don't know anybody in their front office. As a spectator, as a guy that has played this game and have a pretty good understanding and knowledge of this game, I definitely think should do it helped himself. I think Deshaun hurt himself.

That's just me. Hey, I'm with you. I'm with you. Just through the press conference alone, not just his play. But, you know, the things you say in that press conference are like, Ocho, that's that's front news, bro. You know, and everybody ain't going to take it the same.

You know what I mean? No. And he knows and he knows and feel like the fans ain't got his back, bro. That mental hurdle, that's hard to get over, bro. Yeah, it's hard. If you're at home and you can't go out and play free and be loose and enjoy the game, high-fiving your teammates. Man, I don't see none of that, bro.

I don't see no excitement. Because Joe, Ocho, what I say, You play for your teammates respect, your coach, your trust, and the fans' appreciation. If they're not appreciating what I'm doing, what am I doing here? Go ahead, Ocho. You play for the fans' appreciation. You play for the fans' respect. Obviously, your teammates, your coaches, and your organization, right?

You haven't given them anything to appreciate. You haven't. They have nothing to cheer about as of late. You have to be, if they're bullying, I'm telling you. Oh, I believe you. Coming with, it's winning. But I believe at this stage now, Joe, the damn, I'm a bangle. The damn Browns fan don't even boo me.

But that's my point, Ocho. I'm afraid now, Deshaun can win 15 games. Not there. Sometimes you just need to change the scenery, Ocho. No, no, no. Well, I put it, I'm saying 15. You and I both know they're not winning 15. game.

They might not win 15 games in three years. You have to understand, huh? They haven't had what it's been, I mean, what, 20, 21, I think last time they went to playoff? Maybe a couple of years ago. They just want to win. They just want to feel what it's like to win again. No matter who.

You think so let's your question. We are Cleveland Brown fans. We want someone who's going to. Do you believe that someone, do you believe they want that someone to, be Deshawn Watson. No. No, they probably that's my point. That's what I'm trying to make. No, no, no, because they made it person. Yeah. Well, it's always been personal. He needed to get up. He needed to get up to once he got there. He needed to be able to play right away because the

longer he stood on the sideline, the more the resentment built up. They're like, we give you all this money and you can't even help us right now. Yeah. Yeah. So the, the resentment grew. Guess what, Ocho? He come back in those five games and he doesn't look good. He starts the season and he gets hurt. So they're like, well, hold on. And then guess what? He comes back again and he gets hurt again.

Yeah. So they're frustrated. Man, you know what they want. You know what you. Y'all know what the people want. Why are you acting like that? Y'all scared to say it. Hey, yeah.

I know, I know what they want. I know what they want, I know what they want, I know what they won't, Joe. I know what they want over there. Yeah. You hit me? Yeah. Yeah.

I know what they want. And I think, like I've been telling y'all and y'all say, now it ain't going to happen. I got them, I got them, they're gonna cut this on, bro, before before, before week one. But see, but see, that's the, oh, I thought you thought about something else. Because if that was the case, you didn't make,

you didn't, so what? So you mean to tell me that just because of the last three weeks, you cut him now, you should have cut your losses earlier. They had to give them an opportunity. They had to give an opportunity. Yeah, it did. It didn't work out. We talk about all the money that they got tied up in the show.

The least thing they could do is give me an opportunity, compete and fight for the spot here. They can't get it back. It's just like a woman. You break up with a woman, she said, oh, he ain't no good in bed. You can't take it back what you gave me. How much, how much, oh, Cho. How much money can they get back, Joe?

They can't get back, Joe. nothing back but listen though but think about it hell we don't went we don't went all out we didn't gave that man the most guaranteed money probably ever yeah listen hey look we ain't got to go into the season but hell we got to get a small sample size throughout this preseason just just to give an opportunity i just don't think he's gonna make it bro i don't think he's going to make it i'm sorry from what i seen my thing was is that the likelihood after that length of time think about it 19 games in five years 19 games

what pro could take that kind of time off as great as Jordan was now he was older but you can't take that kind of time off five years 19 games in five years at least Jordan might have been playing pickup

you can get some if you're an NFL player Ocho where you go to replicate a game play flag at least I can get some pickup game I can play five on five, I can play three on three. I can get me some open runs, Joe. Yeah.

I can do something that will resemble the game of basketball. If you're a football player, you can't do nothing. Drop back. What you're going to do, just drop back and throw it to a net? It's unfortunate, bro. It's unfortunate for Deshaun because I'm sure he still loves a game and still wants to play the high level of Uncle Ocho, but I don't think Cleveland is the place, bro.

I don't that's my only point Joe I've said we've said a lot Ocho that's my only point yeah yeah listen Cleveland might not be the place you hear me it might not be the place Uncle Joe four was going at their starred week one I'm telling you

you say he's starting week one I tell you how yes man I'm telling you how them folk thinking I like what you're saying Joe Joe listen to me I want to see two out there too. I'm telling you how them people sitting up there thinking, not the one sitting in the stands. I'm telling you. Uncle, you've been riding in business for a very long time. But we know who we want to see. Hell, I want to see him too. Thank you. Oh, Joe. But folk

going to start. But it's not been, he's making it difficult for me to put him in. That's what I'm saying, man. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I get it. He got $46 million cap here. I get that. You think 46 been to be on the bench. Man, they're going to eat that. They got to eat that.

This ain't mad. If they was eating it, they were to cut him. Watch. No, if they were going to eat it, they were to cut him. He wouldn't even be there. Joe believe that's still a possibility. Yeah, I do. Hey, Joe, I'll tell you one thing.

You don't make you no bad brother. But I think you should do or help themselves. be very, very interesting. They got one game left. There's a great chance that neither one of them. The question is, the question that I have, what are they going to do? Are they going to play, are they going to play, Shadoor the last preseason game? Are they going to play

the last preseason game? I think DeShan going to play for sure. You think Shadour plays? I think Deshaun is going to play for sure. I think he's going to play. And that's got said, that's probably going to be it. Okay, I'm just keeping real with y'all.

in Cleveland, in Cleveland. He's going to get a chance to play somewhere else. You know what? At some point, at some point, we've been doing this, you know, obviously this year, I've been on a generational one when it comes to telling y'all what's going to happen, whether it's basketball, whether it's football, whether it's boxing. And for some reason, y'all continue to always not listen to me. Not been wrong two times.

No, just one time. I've been wrong one time. By LeBron coming to Miami. Everything outside of that, especially during basketball season, I have been right. I have been correct. And at some point, y'all are going to listen to me.

That's including the chat. That's including the chat who keeps cussing me out. They're telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. And for some reason, I'm right every time. Now, in this situation, Joe, I want the same thing you do.

Uncle, I want the same thing you do. But what I'm doing is I'm putting a GM hat on, even though I'm not a GM. And I'm just understanding the business aspect and how things operate on their end and how they're thinking. 46 million?

Do I want it on the bench? No, I'm going to get something out of them. I'm going to see what he can do, even though my money's already gone. And if I was going to let him go, I would let him go before the season started and just say, you know, it should do her is my guy. What I'm going to do is in a co-s play as if we having a quarterback competition, knowing that I'm going to start the man that's making the most money anyway. Before you go, Joe, let me say this.

Joe, I'm telling you how to people think, you, man. After Deshaun Watson and Sautie Brown's fans, NFL Network Daniel Jeremiah, Daniel Jeremiah has changed his tune. I flipped on this. I start Sodor Sanders and cut Deshaun Watson. You're going to eat 40 million anyway. What are we talking about? Even if he do come out, let's say he do play Ocho,

and he do play decent. Hell, you ain't going to bring him back? You ain't bringing him back, bro. DeShan has no future in Cleveland. So why are we waiting? Why are we waiting? That was my only point. Joe.

That was my only point, Joe. I told Ocho this. When we talked about this, I said, Ocho, I would release Deshaun. He's like, oh, he got, I said because he's not going to be there after this year. I've seen the Broncos do it with Russ. I've seen the Packers do it with Aaron Rogers. Go ahead and remove that. Time out.

If you were going to go ahead and remove it, why you wait to preseason? Because let them come back to even do it. That is the Browns. They think they're logical, they're practical. They're the Browns. They're browning. Listen, it makes no sense. It makes no sense.

to make a circus out of a quarterback competition if you were going to release a mini-r-rays. That makes no sense. I'm going to say it. I'm bringing down for it. It's B-R-O-W-N-S. Browns. Hey, listen, all right.

Y'all, y'all got it. Yeah. You know, I look, Uncle Joe, I love all your scenarios. And I've said it, I've said it countless time before, chat. I've said it countless time before. The quarterback of the future will be number two. It'll be Sanders. I said that.

I said that. And the only reason I'm saying that that Deshaun is going to start is simply because of how much he's making. And if you were going to cut him and just say, they would have done it already. There's no reason to even bring them back. Got to give him opportunity. And you know, I want the apology. I want both of y'all apology, week one, to be just as loud as a disrespect. And that includes the chat.

Chat, you all talking trash. I see you. I see you. And you're lucky I'm strong mentally. And it's not going to bother me. And I still love y'all. I love you with girls, what you say? I see all the little jokes and calling me baldhead and all that.

I see you. I still love y'all. I said, oh, Joe, this is what I would do. If I ran the Brown's organization, given that I'm not going to resign him, I'm going ahead and to remove him. That's what I've always felt that. That's what you should do.

Consider the Broncos did it at $8.36 million. Look at what the Packers did for with Roger. We just saw the Cardinals do with Caler. And even though they moved on, none of those guys have looked bad. Really the only thing that was collar, he couldn't stay healthy. He was a small man.

I don't know why you think he can stay healthy. But with that being said, as bad as people might have looked at Russ. Russ did not look as bad in Denver as Deshaun looks in Cleveland. Eric Rogers did not look as bad in Green Bay his last year there as Deshaun. look.

Kyle couldn't stay on the field. Deshaun couldn't stay on the field. And when he was on the field, he didn't look good. It's okay to say that. I'm not breaking any news. I did not interrupt your normal schedule programming to tell y'all

Deshawn Watson has not played well since he's been in Cleveland. And I don't, we could, and there are a myriad of reasons. It's mental, it's physical, it's psychological, it's emotional. That's wearing on him. need a clear mind to play sports.

You must. The number one thing, yes, you got to be physically gifted. Yes, you got to be mentally tough. But I believe the number one thing you got to be able to do is compartmentalize. Yep. Because your mind is not going to be free all the time. Your wife, your girlfriend, your significant other is going to do something. It's going to put you in the mood.

Maybe you having family issues. maybe the fan base. You've got to be able to compartmentalize, focus on this game. Everything that's not in between the white lines is unimportant at this moment. Yeah. Yeah.

The greater you can do that, the greater player you can become. I think, honestly, I think they all can, especially the quarterback. They get the most scrutiny. Wins and losses are based on their performance. He's been playing this game a long time. Therefore, it should be,

easy for him. Ocho, the man with, the man took down Nick Saban in Alabama. He goes, he tears his, he tears his knee in Houston and he takes off like a rocket ship. So this is, he's at Gainesville.

He's from Georgia. The man threw for 12, 13,000 yards. So he's really never had to face this level of scrutiny. That's why you need to face some adversity young, younger in your life. Yes.

Right. Because if you wait till you get to your, you get to your 20s or you get to your 30s, your first time of facing adversity and you've never really faced adversity? It'll break it. Well, hold on. Hold on now. 20s and 30s, there's still, you still face adversities at some point in life. Maybe not to this magnitude, but you still, you and you prep the little bit.

Right, right. Preheat the oven before you put the turkey. You didn't have adversity preheated. a little bit maybe not to this magnitude but you got to learn how to you got to you got to learn how to deal with it you got to be able to block it especially as a quarterback um when i love joe when i walk in that locker room i don't care what i got going on outside family home girlfriend it don't matter what it is well everything everybody everybody can't work like that though oh joe that's compartmentalization yeah the greater you can do that the better you are yeah hey i'm

a mass of that you got to think when i played the game i was the villain i was the villain i wanted to piss everybody off on the outside. I wanted you mad. I didn't want you liking me. I enjoy being the villain, Joe. It's okay because once I step in that locker room at Paul Brown Stadium, Pay Cornell, man, I don't hear and see none of that. I don't hear and see none of that.

And I can care less how you feel about it. The younger you start something, the better you're at it, the better, the better you are at it. When you start playing, yeah, look at Venus and Serena could have did this. If they just started at 16, 17, as a supposed to starting at 7 and 8, no, I don't. No, I don't. No. So the younger you started something,

the better you are at it. That's why most people start, that be really, really good at something. Boxers, how long, how old was flowing when he's put, had the gloves on it? Dan probably had gloves on him. The gloves probably weighed more than he did.

He did. The gloves were bigger than his head. And so now, but to face this level of scrutiny. You could go through some, hey, we've all gone through something, but this is of epic and monumental proportion. Yes.

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