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Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans taking on Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, the Tennessee Titans beat Cleveland Browns despite Shedeur Sanders 300 yard passing game, and the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Baltimore Ravens to take the lead in the division and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 3:30 - Texans Def. Chiefs18:48 - Titans Def. Browns47:47 - Steelers Def. Ravens (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in the chat. The Houston Texans beat the Kansas City Chief by the score of 20 to 10. Patrick Mahomes threw three interceptions as Kansas City playoffs hopes continue to fade. He was 14 to 33 under 50% completion. Only 160 yards. No touchdowns. Three interceptions was sacked twice. He didn't get much help from his receiving core. Tyquan Thornton dropped the touchdown.

Travis Kelsey dropped two plays on that final drive, Ocho, and then one of them got picked. Yeah, Rashid Rice dropped that huge fourth down. He got little Petre, I think, I think that that thing kind of jarred him a little bit. I don't think he was all the way back, Ocho, because Petra dropped the boom on him. He did. He dropped the boom on him. He was totally relaxed. But the Texans did an unbelievable job.

They got after the quarterback tonight, and they forced him. They shut down. I mean, they had 20, but Mahomes were the lead rushing with a seven carries for 59 yards. But Ocho, watching this game and you see the Houston, Texas, and what they were able to do, they go in the arrowhead, they get this victory, stay attached to the Jacksonville Jaguars who leave that division. They needed this victory

in order to try to gain some footing, get into the playoff hunt and potentially chase down the Jags. But what did you like about what you saw from the Houston Texans? Listen, the Texans got it done. What I didn't like, obviously, they didn't make enough adjustments for me,

especially offensively. Once Trent McDuffie went out, you knew that Spagnola had to bring pressure. Now, with them bringing pressure, i got tired of seeing c j stroud run for his life and they make no adjustments offensively obviously i would think if you know they're blitzing every time stop running plays where the plays take long to develop just go quick game if anything do do things you know misdirection get you know get them going one way and come back the opposite way with something something else but just seeing c j stroud

run for his life but they were able to make some plays on even with that pressure and the back end was exposed obviously that's going to happen once you do blitz and um outside of that the defense the defense won that game the defense for the houston texans won that game for them i'm not sure what's wrong with the kansas city chiefs they lost what uh five of the wait four of the last fives or something something something like that they just don't look the same obviously they have a great run they've had a great run and probably even though they have 15 who probably is arguably one of the greatest not maybe the second greatest quarterback of all time this year just hasn't been it for them at all. Everyone is healthy now offensively. Everyone is healthy now offensively and

they let, they let Packham Home down. Uh, Rishie Rice, uh, Hollywood Brown, he made, made some plays. Uh, Kelsey, he did, he does, he looks almost like a shell of himself. Damn there. He didn't play well. It's cold, oh, when you get, you know, hey, when you old it, it's cold on your, man, you, eh, eh, that ain't, that ain't, that ain't no excuse. You know that, you, you have to adapt to the elements. You got to adapt to the elements. How you doubt to get old? There's a reason why old people move to Florida and Arizona. Hold on.

Hold on. We've been catching footballs all our life. We ain't been 36 all our life. We ain't been 37 all our life. We haven't been 40 all our life. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. All you is your eyes and your hands.

That's all that come down to. You can be 60 years old. Your eyes and your hands. That don't never fail you regardless of how old you get. But the Houston, Texas, that goddamn defense sunk. Boy, they can get after the quarterback. back. They got their back in. The back in, man. The Blue Boy played very well. They play very well. So I'm glad I'm glad to see the Texans win. They've won the last four, their last five games. So it seems like they're ascending right now while the Kansas City Chiefs are descending. They are. Like I said, Tyquan Thornton had a touchdown his hands. He dropped that. Great play by last. Great play to not give up by Lasseter to continue to fight all the way through the catch. Yes. Rishol Rice had a couple of drops. Travis had a couple of drops. We know that.

the offensive line is beat to hell. The left tackle comes in and he gets out. Now you're going against, you're going with an undrafted left tackle against Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson, Jr. That's not a recipe for success, but I thought he played really, really well tonight. The offensive line is not, you know, their best.

I mean, think about it. You're starting left tacklers out. You're back up left tacklers out. You're starting all pro right guard. He's out. You're starting right tackle. He's out. So think about it.

You're down. You're probably, you're down. your backups to your backups. And at some point in time, you keep saying, next man, next man up, next man up. Well, the next man up need to be making the equivalent of the guy that he's replacing. Because if you say, I got a guy that's making 15 million

and then you bring a guy in 400,000, there's a reason why one guy's making 15 million, you know, Joe, there's a reason why one guy's making 400,000. So we've got to, you know, be this notion, oh, man, next man up, next man up, next man up. There's a reason why he was down to begin with. Yeah, yeah. I disagree with the call to Andy made

because points out of premium at this point in time the score is 10-10. We're late in the ball game, Mocho. I won't punt in the ball because at that point in time the Texans hadn't done

anything in the second half. I think they might have had 50 yards in the second half for the longest time they were negative yards. Kansas City's defense and honed in spags had done a great job

of dialing it up, stopping the run on first down, getting after CJ Stroud, getting him off its mark. In that situation, I disagree with Andy. don't like to disagree with Andy because I think he's one hell of a coach and his resume speaks for itself. But in a game like this, what points out of premium, I don't want to do

if they do nothing offensively, they're in field goal range. Yeah. I can't make that call. Oh, Cho. I got to put this ball away. I understand I got Patrick Mahomes and I understand he wants to go up and go for it, go for every quarterback's going to want to go. He's going to want to go for it on fourth and 10, fourth and 12. Right. But sometimes you got to use your better part. You got to use your judgment. And like, you know what? Let's punt this ball. Let's make, let's force them to make a mistake. Let's not give them a gift. And I felt that's what they did. And that was really the difference in the ball game. Um, but like I said, these guys, I mean, Mahomes were a little off. I mean, he had great, that's a hard play to defend and you and I talked about it.

With a running back, you see, Marks, he caught a touchdown. Yes. He pretend like he was going to block. He slipped out, C.J. flips it to him because that's the guy that has his man. Well, he's coming on a blitz. I ain't standing to block him. I'm just going to slip him and get to the flats. You see the guys, a lot of times those tight ends will be on the line, they're helping, helping. Everybody's sinking, now they drift out.

The only thing I would tell, no, great, keep it up the field. Why are you going to get a headache? Did you see that linebacker drifting that way? Now, my hormones through a terrible pass. I would prefer you leak up the field and give yourself some room so you don't run into that headache that's in that middle linebacker that's waiting on you. But, right.

To make a long story short, and I know I made a short story long, the chiefs aren't getting very good this year. No, absolutely not. And honestly, my homes, he was 14 for 33. He had three interceptions. He's only two for 160 tonight. Xavier Worthy had 3.55, if I'm not mistaken, he might have been their leading receiver. The fact that Patrick Mahomes with the leading Russia, that you're not,

that's not going to win your many games. That's not going to win your many games. You have to have some type of balance. They were one dimension of tonight for the simple fact that they couldn't run the ball. They haven't been able to run the ball all season long, honestly. And that's why, Joe, I felt that they should have gave up the second round pick or maybe even a first round pick for A. Chan. Yeah.

Because is there a back that's coming out in the draft that you believe that's better than A. Chan that can run the ball between the tackles, can hit his head on the goalposts, can catch the ball out of the backfield? Because, I mean, Pacheco, I mean, Lord, have mercy. He gets a hold. He runs right up the lineman's back. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? You look, and Kareem, he, I'm glad.

to see him back, but he's basically a pile back. He's a three-yard in the cloud of dust guy. He's not a guy that you can consistently give the ball to, and you hoped him to break something big. That's not what he is right now. He's a two to three-yard, a carry guy. That's what he is, Ocho. And there's nothing wrong with that.

They're in that place for that guy that you know he can get you very, very tough yards. The initial of the first guy normally doesn't bring him down, but they need playmakers. They need guys that can help Patrick Mahomes out because at this juncture, he can't do, I mean, he can't do any more than what he's doing he can't he can yeah i mean guys got to make plays and when your quarterback and that's the thing when your quarterback isn't playing well you need guys that can step up tonight yeah no he didn't and in the playmaker that we're speaking of

honestly unk uh i think as far as the receiver receivers are receivers are concerned i think they're set there but patrick mhomes has to stop running the ball so much they need a premium yeah they do they need to preempts like like when i when i think about Brees Hall, I think Brees Hall might have had a chance to go there before the deadline for trade, for trades. That would have been perfect for them. That would have been perfect for them. So a running back like a Jemir Gibbs, I'm saying, I'm not saying there's another Jemir Gibbs out there, but somebody like that, yeah, yeah, A. Chan, a running back like that, that can actually hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere.

And every time he does get the ball, you have the chance that something could happen. You know, that takes some of the pressure off from the homes, not having to do so much with his arm all the time. and always happen to be Superman and make the plays that he's... Yeah, because the thing is, Ocho, sometimes, you know, in the West Coast system, the short passing game is an extension of the run. They need the run. Yes. They don't need an extension of the run.

They need to be able to run the football. And right now they can. Yeah. Now the offensive line is beat to hell. And we understand that because, you know, your right tackle is out. Your left tackle went out. The guy that replaced him went out. So now you're down to your third guy at tackle and who's an undrafted free agent.

Now your right guard is out. Now you're down to your backup at right guard. so it's tough it's tough it's really tough go yeah yeah i have a question what is i i don't know why his name is slipping my mind right now the running back they used to play but the canada county city chiefs he tore his ACL but before he tore his ACL he was fast Jamal Charles Jamal Charles they that's what they need they need another Jamal Charles or some somebody like that on I mean man listen Jamal get that ball if he hit that edge you get to that second level you might be the fat lady might as well sing they need something like that there's nothing like

that in the draft i don't think so either so whoever and whatever they do get it has to be an offseason acquisition i have a good one for you right now i think they they need to do whatever whatever they need to do in the off season they need to go get album camaro no they need to go not at this not a disjunction of his career too many catches too many carriers on that body he's not that guy anymore ocho he's serviceable but he's not that ocho no uh brees hall He's much, he's much, he's much better than what they have right now. But that ain't saying enough, no, Joe, you don't need, you need, you need, you need a guy that you could really depend on. He's breaking down in Kansas, he's breaking down in New Orleans.

Do you realize how many touches he has on his body? Yeah, yeah, I know. You realize how many, how many touches Derek Henry has on his body? Yes. Look what he did last year. He's not the same this year. And maybe that's because he's not getting the same. opportunities as he got last year I think I I me personally Ocho I think they

need a little bigger back no they got cream hunt they don't oh Joe stop it oh Joe come on we like we love Kareen we appreciate him coming on okay wait when you said you said a bigger back but it's bigger back and only do so a brief Hall they need that type of back a guy that's big can run with power and run with speed okay okay okay everybody knows look a Jamir Gilles but they also have David Montgomery you look at look at a green Bay they got a two-back system Josh Jacobs and they got 23

I can't get his name up the top of my head Look at look at the 49ers Brian Robinson Jr. Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, Chris McCaffrey So the backs need to They've got to do some soul searching They really do it. I thought Kansas City defense played really well tonight.

They weren't I mean there are some times that they got through and they couldn't get CJ on the ground and he made some plays but see that's what happens when you So when you bring pressure and you sacrifice your back in because, you know, once McDuffie went out, they're okay back there, but they're not great. No. They make, they hate when they can bring, when that pressure can get there.

If the pressure don't get there, guys are going to be running open. Yeah. You know what the bad thing about it is is for Spags having to make the adjustments with Trent McDuffie going out when you do bring that pressure, McDuffie can lock down one side. He doesn't need any help. So you can bring in all that, all that. that pressure from the opposite side of the field,

knowing that Trent McDuffie's going to take care of his side. But once he goes out, hey, you're backing and basically exposed, which is why C.D.S.Ride was able to make some of those plays, despite him having them run for his life, most of the goddamn time. You're right. You're right. But look, it's one of those years, the Texas, this is what the Texas defense did in the second half. They picked Mahomes off twice.

Yeah. I mean, he went like, what, nine straight passes. The paths were either in the consequences. or they were intercepted. 28.6 completion percent rate and they had almost a 42% win rate. And when you look at it, the Houston, Texas are now eight and five.

They're in the eighth seed behind the lake, behind the Lakers, but their game back, their game back of Jacksonville. And they got three of their last four games are at home. They really, they really do

control their own destiny. Ending, we're going to talk about that. Daniel Jones is going to be lost for the season. They did him a disservice. They did him a disservice. The man's playing on a broken leg. So when you play on a broken leg, Ocho, what do you do? You compensate.

So when you compensate, what you do? You weaken the other side of your body. Yeah. Yeah, other parts of the body are going to compensate for that injury. It's just, it's the same way as your car. If you're tired, if going flat and you don't change it, you're going to mess. Instead of just getting that child change, that little donut,

you're going to mess up the rear end. Yeah. that's how the body the body was it's but when you start walking side you know now all of a sudden something else you're going to knock something else out of whack but we'll talk about that in just a second but give give the houston texas credit um they haven't had a whole lot of success ocho going into kansas city um and and winning but they got the job done they needed to do they need to win this game give a demico rinds i think he's a hell of a young coach he's doing an unbelievable job with this team he's got them playing

extremely well they're going to be in every game because of that defense as long as the offense doesn't put them in the arms way they can get a little bit of consistency a little bit of consistency with the run game I think you know Nico Collins I think you know I think they got guys that can make can make some plays go ahead oh what happened to Joe Mixinger he out for the season he had an ankle injury or a foot injury or something and so he didn't he didn't do anything He didn't do with anything, and OTAs, there's something, you know. So he's done for the season. Okay.

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Damn. Oh, Joe. The Titans beat the Browns. But your door joined a very historic club during his third NFL start. Yeah. Yes, he did. He's the first Browns quarterback with 300 pass yards, three touchdowns, and a rush touchdown in the same game since 1950. He's also the seventh rookie in the Super Bowl era to throw for 360 yards, have four total touchdowns, rush or pass in the same game. Joining C.J. Stroud, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Marriota, Andrew Luck, and Matthew Stafford.

But, but stop, but despite got me frustrated because I'm, I'm, boy, I'm mad at, I'm mad at, I'm madder than a wind horny. Uh, the fast can took him out with the game on the line. Oh, Joe. Yeah. What I don't understand. Yes, sir. When you come, you're down 14, you score touchdown.

You're at home. Why are you going for two? Yeah. Kick the PAT and guess what, Ocho, you're down seven. Now you scored touchdown and kick the PAT. Guess what, Ocho, we tied? Yeah. I mean, honestly, there's no, there's no, there's no explanation behind what

the fansky is doing. There's none, there's none at all. But what I can tell you is I can tell you that his job, that his job is secure, which is why he's making. the calls that he's making. There's no reason. You got six minutes left in the game. Shudur goes down.

Shoulder goes down and he scores. Why go for two, Ocho? Tell me, I just, I need somebody to offer me an explanation. When you're down 14, you're at home. Yeah. Even if you're on the road, you're down an even number. Why would you go for two? Because now you get you're chasing points.

You don't need to do that. Hold on. For one, as well as he was playing. Look at the numbers he put up the day. As well as he was playing all game long, right? You want to put the ball in your best player's hands that has a hot hand at the right time. Who is that?

So if you are going to go for two, if you're going to make that decision to go for two, you put the ball in your quarterback's hands who just drove you down, not once but twice on back-to-back drives to get you a chance to win the game or at least tie the game. I think, I was so confused by this, I had to make two phone calls. I had to make two phone calls, the people who have been here

coaches before just to make sure I can get a better understanding and get a better perspective and context on what was being made. But obviously, even though they're not coaching anymore right now, even though they're not a part of the NFL right now, the answers they gave me were PC. So they wouldn't give me what I really wanted to hear and I'm not going to say any names. But Stefanski, I can't say anything about it being fired

because this is the reason why they didn't want to do her starting in the first place because now you see what he's capable of because everybody said if he just started at the beginning of the season what could we have been and um i mean um this is exactly why they didn't want him started this is exactly why he wouldn't get any reps because they understood what you would get once he gets in there and he gets acclimated to the system with his players and it gets any kind of chemistry and continuity with that offense this is what you get and the stuff you pull in when you get when you, after you score and taking them out, this is not college. You're not running trick plays.

You're not going to fool anybody. The Wildcat is not going to work. This is not 2007. Ronnie Brown in back there. They're trying to run the Wildcat. They're trying to run the Wildcat. Look, the reason why the Dolphins ran the Wildcats, because their quarterback wasn't any good. You got a competent quarterback that's playing his ass off.

I felt that he made probably one mistake tonight, Ocho, is that when he threw the ball up down the middle of the field when he was playing so well and he didn't really need to do that. And that's why I let you do her. You're playing so well, you know you're not supposed to just heed the ball up down the middle of the field. Other than that, Ocho, I thought this young man played extremely well.

He was balling his head from. Throw it with touch. Did you see the one he dropped down in the bucket? Ah, man, he dropped it in the bucket. Yeah. Good thing. The bro that he had, that was given a fan and junior, the one needed to touch the Jerry Judy that he hit for 60,

that basically was the same play that he missed that he overshot him. the game before. But he hit him this time. And I'm glad, I'm glad him and Judy got on that same page this week. I was happy to see that. But that goddamn Fanon Jr. But he's a real deal.

Every, every goddamn week, 44 popping up on film. Every week 44 popping up on film. I don't know what they got. I don't know what kind of chemistry. I don't know if they stay after practice and they work together. But every time the ball is in the air, he got to happen. He got to happen. I agree.

Hey, what about the touch pass that he threw? He retreating and through the touchpast in Joku. Oh, yeah. I mean, he has things that you just can't teach. No, no, you can't. He has things that you can't teach. And the funny thing about, go ahead, make your point. No, I was going to say what he lacks in mobility, he makes up in so many other areas.

When it comes to, when it comes to being able to extend plays, being able to playoff script, being able to be accurate, being able to be accurate, being able to be accurate. You know, on the run, he's phenomenal at that. And the fact that he looks as good and only his third star, as bad as the Cleveland Brown team is, not defense, team is offensively to have him in there and give them that spark to where now in each game

they're competing. Yes. They're competing week in and week out. And he's, and he's playing through his bulljive coach. Hey, matter of fact, maybe maybe we can ask the chat, even if you don't like Shador, you know, even if you don't like the Browns. Can you please give me the explanation in the chat why you take him out two drives

back to back with opportunity to get closer and put point when points are a premium in a situation like this where you want to win a game. I mean you would you would think to fancy would want to win the game but some of the stuff some of the play codes you have and in situations like that you're putting your team in harm's way. For me it was it was it was to take it him out going to the wildcat when your best player you know he needs to be on the field. but what I don't understand I need somebody to explain to me why did he go for two points on the first time they scored the touchdown that's what I need to understand because at that point in time Ocho you don't need it you don't need it you

don't know and then so let me get this so now we're down eight because we didn't we we were done I don't know what happened maybe it maybe a eagle had a rock and he dropped it on my and Stefanski's head I don't know what happened but so now we got to go for two So we're going to take, we're going to take Shadour out. And we're going to run Wildcat. And the guy for getting to pitch the ball. I'm thinking, I'm thinking he was supposed to pitch it, Ocho.

Yeah, he was supposed to pitch and he was supposed to come around. And I guess he was going to throw it. I guess somebody else was going to go out more past. I guess, I guess, I mean, at this point in time, we, we just like everybody else, we had, we had a loss for words. I'm confused. I mean, the only way as a head coach, this is how I know a job isn't in jeopardy.

This is how I know a job is in jeopardy. Because when your job is in jeopardy, you call plays that are conducive for you to look good as a head coach. And with a quarterback plan as well as he was playing, even if it wasn't Shador, a quarterback that has a high hand like he had that game.

You're not taking him out. No, you're not taking him out because your job is on the line. You're not taking him out. Your job is on the line. I need to do everything. I can to show management and those that are in position to power who can make the call on whether I stay

or go, that's coming from up top, um? Matter of fact, we can't even blame the coach. This is the same situation. Who's the reason? Who took the fall for Lukey getting traded again? Nico. Stefansky is basically Nico. Stefansky is basically Nico Collins.

Stafansky's taking all the heat. But the call is coming from up above. Got it. Listen, do whatever you do whatever you need to do. Do whatever you need to do to make him look bad because there's no way why you're not trying to win are you trying to tank purposely are you trying to make your team look bad purposely because that's exactly what you're doing because you have every Cleveland Brown fan every football fan scratch your head about the decision making

you making as a head coach I've had people reach out to me and ask me they don't even really know football like that say why they take your door out because I they say we ask I'm gonna ask you because I know you know you played the game you watched the game you study the game. I said, I don't know. They's like, you know something. I like, damn, but hey, I didn't Cleveland. I don't know.

Hell, if I do, I tweeted, it needs to be studied. They need a DOJ, Department of Justice. I need y'all to open up an investigation and what the hell is going on in Cleveland? What the hell is the fans can do it? Because it makes no sense. Even if you want to run the wildcat, considering that your quarterback is playing at

he's on fire. He's hotter than four foxes in a forest fire. That's how hard he was, Ocho. And you take him out, you take him out to, think about this, Ocho, you take him out to have somebody else throw a pass? Because that's what it looked like.

If you was going to flip it to him, what was he going to do? Run it or he was going to run and put up and pull up and throw a pass. So that's what I did. Listen, he were going to throw it. Listen, he were going to throw it to somebody. If junkers, it flipped the ball

like it's supposed to, obviously misdirection. You know how well misdirection works. When you're playing against the defense, that's extremely aggressive. Extremely aggressive. You're hoping somebody misses assignment in a back, in a back or a receiver or a tight end, you know, leaks out and he's wide open. But it didn't happen. It didn't work that way.

I want the ball that you do a man. I don't, I don't care. I'm going to go down. I'm going to go down and look, and you never, hey, you brought me this far. You brought me this far. yeah if this is as far as you can take us what you bought us farther than I was yeah I don't get it I don't get it I just told you it doesn't make here's what Stephansky said about going for two uh the lack that last two point conversion let's take a listen to what he had to say

yes so what was supposed to happen on that last two point conversion yeah not going to get in all the specifics Jeff but obviously did not go as we thought it would. Did you make that call or did Tommy? Yeah, I make every call. I make every call. I make every call. Why would you take them off? Yeah, again, it's a two-point play. Didn't come through on our first two-point play.

It got to the second two-point play. We didn't come through, but that's on me. Was that play call yours with Thomas? Every, I'm responsible for all of it. No, I thought you turned over play-calling duties. Now, it's been reported. Mary Kate, I need you to call. I need you to let us know, jump in the chat.

because it was reported that he turned to play calls and over the time he reached, right? Isn't that the O.C? So I know everything's on you and you don't want to get into it. Get into it. What went into your thinking that when Shudor Sanders had led you back from 14 down,

he had led you back. What went into the decision to take him off the field and potentially have someone else throw a two-point conversion? What went into your decision, Coach Demandki? Hold on. Hold on. Not only have someone else throw the two-point conversion, have someone else throw the two-point conversion

that wasn't your quarterback that was on fire like he was playing NBA jams. Hold on. A play like that in college, I understand it. Yes. I understand because they don't see it coming. In the NFL, it's not working. That's a play for the movie The Longest Yard.

Or maybe on Thanksgiving and you're in the goddamn turkey bowl. That's what it's for. Or maybe the movie Waterboy. That's when you run a play like that. Not with a game on the line that you're actually trying to win and compete. Like, what are we doing? I swear for God on my mama, rest of peace.

I had to call two of my former coaches to get a better perspective on what they were doing because you've been a head coach. Please explain to me. You've been in that position before. If that was you, why do you call a play like that? And of course, they wouldn't give me an answer. They wanted to keep it PC.

Like, come on, man. Well, first of all, you should have been in that situation because you should have kicked the PAT to begin with. Why the hell you go for two on the first P-A-T? You're only down 14. You're down an even number. So why the hell are you going, why are you going for two on the first P-A-T?

If you just kick it, now you're down seven. Now you don't have to chase the second point. That's what makes no sense to me. First of all, it didn't make. Who he started, he went with Flacko. Okay, fine. They said Dylan Gabriel, they drafted him in the third round. Okay, whatever the case may be, we can't go back in time, undo what's already done.

But moving forward, the guy gives you a great opportunity to win, a great opportunity. He's playing his ass off. And you undercut him by taking him off the field. You undercut him by going for two when it's unnecessary. So I'm just trying to figure out, and I don't want to use the word sabotage, but I will say I'm trying to understand your rationale. And your thought process, what goes into going for two the first time when you're only down 14, you kick the PAT, you're down seven. Okay, now you're down eight because you didn't get the first PAT,

I mean the first two-point conversion. So now you're down eight, you've got to go for it. What goes into a rationale after you see what your quarterback is done, why would you take him off the field and ask somebody that doesn't play the position? Do you really, are you really, really trusting someone? that hasn't thrown a pass to throw a pass in that situation in that moment at that junkyard of game you really want to do that oh cho is that really what you want to do chat hell no they're doing that on purpose they're doing it on purpose and it's just it's just not this

just just just think about since training camp just think of all all the games they've continued to play their organization has to continue to play you know what should do or just in general they did not want young bull to be a starter because they understood if he gets the opportunity to play the numbers you see him putting them up putting them up putting up him getting an opportunity play he's going to give them their best chance to win they don't want to win where if they do want to win they don't want to win with him behind center that's the only answer i can think of for you to be pulling that kind of bull drive i saw out there today as a former player as a football fan As a fan of the game,

this is for anybody, for any team, for any quarterback, you always want to put your quarterback and your team in the best positions to win because that's the point of playing this game. You want to win. And that shit, I'm sorry. That he pulled the day was ridiculous. On the downside, I was disappointed in Cleveland's defense,

rush defense. Tony Pollard had 25 carries for a buck 61, had a 65-yard run, had another. a long run they've got to do a better job of stopping the run and so now we can put more pressure on cam ward but when you're in second when you're second and short your third and short it's hard to rush the quarterback ocho when you're in short down and deep because you don't know they can run it they now if we got it second and long we got it third and long now we can unleash miles garrett now we can unleash some of these rushes but i just need somebody to tell

me i need i need someone to explain to me and i need you to explain it to me as if i'm a seven-year-old. So it's like a kid going to his father and he's asking him a question, father. That's what I need somebody to explain it to me because it makes no sense. As a guy, also, as guys that played the game, as a guy that studied the game, and that's what I do. I don't look at, I don't look at touchdown. I'm glad they scored. I'm looking at how they scored. I'm looking at why they scored. I'm looking at what did the defense do. I'm looking at what play was called. What personnel were you in so I can have a better, understanding, it says, okay, I saw what this work.

But when you, to do this, it makes no sense. Yeah. And can I say one thing also, let's say the Cleveland Brown defense, they've been playing they ass off all season. They've been playing their ass off all season. They've been stopping the run. They've been stopping the past. So you know what?

You come to a game where now we need the offense. When it was down 14, God damn it, the offense showed up. the offense showed up they showed up Miles Garrett got to be pissed Denzel Ward Dale Pitt they have to be pissed because I know they see it

I know if they I know if they was anybody was miced up I know on the sideline if you hear the defensive player talking they'd be like man what the hell are we doing what the hell are we doing okay they're running the ball on us now this is one of the few games

we need our offense to have our back long be motherfucking hole the offense had their back with a position twice two different drives drove down the field we score we go for two what we get the ball back go right back down the field again and we do the same bullshit again they got to be pissed but they can't say nothing they're not going to say none they know it's some bull drive but players in that locker room they can't see anything but they can see yeah they can see they can see clear

they know what's going on they know what's going on but they know what's going on but Because if I can see it, and I'm all the way down here, Miami, a thousand something miles away. Come on. We know who can play and who can't play. Come on, man. We know who can play and who can't play. When you're in the locker room, you know exactly who can play, and we know exactly who can't play. I don't care what coach does.

I don't care how much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted. I know if you can play or not, because I see you every day. Yeah. They know Shadour Sanders can play. They believe in Shadour. The greatest thing your teammates can do is have a belief in you, can trust you. I just, it doesn't make sense.

They say the only difference between truth and fiction is that fiction has to make sense. So when you're doing a story, Ocho, fiction has to make sense because we know truth. They didn't, people do stuff. They're like, that can't be true. That's got to be AI. And when I saw them go out, I was like, this, hell, if somebody would have told me, I say, that's AI. I'm watching it in real time, so I know it can't be AI because I'm sitting there watching it.

That's got to, you got, you got to be issuing me. Stafansky, I know, this man, I think he's been the coach for five years, six years. He's a two-time coach of the year. Coach of the year, yeah. He's more than competent. Yeah, which is how you know. But sometimes the smartest people are the biggest dummies. No, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to make no excuses.

He's not dumb. He's not dumb. He's not dumb. And this is not analytics. It's saying about numbers. This ain't about computers. This is what I like to call sophisticated tanking. They're not fooling. He ain't pulling the wool on me about it.

My point exactly, because that's not. the person they wanted to him let's just say for the sake of argument oh joe you're tanking for what do you think mendoza the the quarterback at iu is is substantially better than should do her do i'm trying to think who else is that what other quarterback is out there ocho i'm trying to thank chan y'all help us out do y'all think any of the quarterbacks that you're o's sailing uh saying excuse me from oh ohio state is there some if there's somebody that we're that we're tie simpson is there somebody that we don't know that you think right now that go coming to the league and that would be substantially better than should do her are are we forgetting what the owner said

the GM said he was not my pick this is not who I wanted publicly those are the type of things that you don't say out loud those are things that you think in your head that you tell those amongst you that sit up there in the seats with the ties and the jackets on you don't say it in front of the camera you don't that is why things are going the way they're going yeah unfortunately you got to a situation where now he has to start yeah now he has to start and there's a reason why you didn't want him to start because you understood if he got in there with ample time with the right reps this is what you get this is what you get when opportunity meets preparation this is the shit you get so what do we have to do on my end

Nico Collins, who is basically Stefansky right now in situation or we go down on two scores. I'm going to go for two. That ain't Stefansky doing that. That's not him calling that. That's coming from a higher power, man.

Chad, Ocho, let me ask you this. You just watching the game. I take the names out the back of the jerseys. I take the color you colorblind and you can't see. Which quarterback I played the other quarterback today? You don't, chat, you don't know the name.

I took the names out the back of the jerseys, and you can't tell the colors. You don't know which one of the browns, and you don't know which one of the Titans. All you do, you're just watching the game. You don't know nothing. There's no sound. You watch the game, just like I do, with no sound.

Who played the best? You met Nico Harrison, not Nico Collins. Oh, my bad. Nico, oh, my bad. If you just watch the game, the poison which he played with, yes, there's some habits he's going to have to break that bubbling. It's okay for him to sometimes to step up in the pocket to step up as opposed to bubbling all the time.

But look, he's a young quarterback, and that's going to come. I'm willing to give him another year or two. But I think he had the tools to be a very good quarterback. in the NFL. I do. But I think he needs somebody that believes in him. I think he needs somebody in his corner. And I'm not so sure that the Brown's organization is in his corner.

I think they're playing it. I think the fan base is so insuredures corner. I don't really think they have a choice. I don't. I don't. They didn't think he could do this. And the people that's hating on him don't think he didn't think he could do that. That's a damn good Titans defense.

That's a damn good Titans defense. Mm-hmm. And he just threw for that almost 400 yards. With four total touchdowns. Yes, he had a bad interception, but he played unbelievable for his third career start. Hold on. I'll go back up here.

The guys, hold on. Where's the guys that had thrown for all? Oh, Joe Burrow, number one overall. Andrew Luck, number one overall. Matthew Stafford. number one over all, Marcus Marriota, number two over all. C.J. Stroud, number two overall. Deshaun Watson, a top 20 pick.

He just did what those guys did. Joe Burrell, number one. Andrew Luck, number one. Matthew Stafford, number one. Andrew Luck, number two. No, Andrew Luck was number one. Stafford was number one. Joe Burrell was number one.

Three number one picks. CJ Stride was number two. Marcus Mariotta was number two. So he just did something that three number ones, two number twos and a top 20 quarterback. The only one that's ever did in the Super Bowl era. I've been playing Super Bowes for longer than I've been alive. And I'm 57.

A fifth rounder did that. He won no fifth round talent. You know that. They knew that. But who they got next week? Who do the Cleveland play next week? They got the Bears in Chicago. We got the Bears, Bill, Steelers, Bingles.

We got the work cut. Bears, Bill's, Steelers, Bengals. Here are the quarterbacks that have played the Titans this season. Shoulder Sanders has thrown for the most yards, 364, Matthew Stafford, 290. DeFord, 298, that's Davis Mills, 274, Justin Herbert, 250, Sam Darnal, 244, C.J. Stroud, 233. Trevor Lawrence, 229. Drake May, 222. Kyle Murray, 220. Bo Nix, 176. Look at that list, chat.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Only got his thrown for more was Daniel Jones. Matthew Stafford, number one pick. Sam Donald was a top three pick. C.J. Stride was a top three pick. Trevor Lawrence was number one pick. C.J. Stride was number two.

Kyle Murray is number one. Bo Nix was a top pick. Look at this. Look at all these guys up here and look at where they were drafted. And look at what this fifth round kid did. And they bulljabing him. Sometimes. Sometimes, you know, they say, Ocho, a man can make his destiny on the road that he took to avoid it.

Sometimes I can make my destiny, even though obstacles you placed in front of me, it might take me a little longer. It might have took me 10 weeks, but I got there in spite of what you tried to do. No, that's crazy. God say, bow before me, and I stand for you. And if I stand for you, can't no man stand against you. I need somebody to tell me chat. Where y'all at? I need you guys.

Get on. What's that? Ask AI. Ask A.I. Ask Grock. What is it? Grock. Gron.

Why the hell does Schiafansky do what he did? I need y'all to ask. Ask chat GPD. Yeah, chat GPT. That's what you asked chat, GPT. What the hell was going on? Oh, my goodness. Dylan Gabriel should be suspended for that bold face lie he told to his fiancee.

Oh, man, I still can't believe this. I can't believe they did this, man. Can you imagine, can you imagine if this man would have come back and won this game, Ocho. What they'd throw the ticket tape parade for this man in Cleveland. He, that's not,

they didn't want that. They didn't want that. They didn't want that. Because if they wanted that, they would have put him in position to do just that. They would have put him in position to do that. Man.

Yeah. And he's just, he's still feeling out the guys. It seems like he got to have a great rapport with Fannie Jr. but he, hey, man, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, hopefully this is something gives him a little bit more confident. I know he's a very confident young man. You don't play, you don't be in the Sanders house without being confident because

we know his dad has the utmost confidence. And I think he instilled that in his kids. And he's been a starter since high school. He started every game in college for the most part. And he knows he belongs. He knows he belongs. But sometimes, Sometimes it takes somebody believing in you, too, Ocho, that's going to put you in the best situations. Keep your head up your door. You play your ass off the day. If a Lenovo gaming computer is on your holiday list,

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many of the Ravens questioned the call made by the referees, notably an overturned touchdown reception by Isaiah likely in the fourth quarter. The referee initially ruled likely scored a 13-yard touchdown pass from Lamar Jackson, which would have given the Ravens a one-point lead with 243 remaining, despite the tight-in losing the ball in the end zone. But less than a minute later, referee Alex Moore announced it was incomplete. Likely had the ball punched out by Joey Porter Jr. Before he made the necessary third step in the end zone.

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And on that third one, the ball got punched out. Yeah, the ball got punched out. So technically, if that was in the field of play or if it was in the end zone, it would still would have been an incomplete pass. I mean, you know, understanding the rules. and knowing that he had, he had possession, but you have to complete the catch with momentum and take that third step.

It's unfortunate. And, I mean, they didn't win the game. God damn Aaron Rodgers was dealing today. Aaron Roder was dealing today. It wasn't just that play. I mean, there were other plays that could have been made that could have changed the trajectory of that game for the Ravens of Wells.

But hell, you got to get a stealer's credit. How many times likely are you going to get the ball? punched out. Remember, Ocho, he tried to switch the ball against Cincinnati and he got it knocked out. Now go back and look at the first touchdown that he got and see what he did. He secured it. How many, you don't get style points for touchdown. He was doing this. All he had to do was secure he had it just like this here. Why? Because it looked cool. How many times you saw him on first Thanksgiving. He did the same thing and got it knocked out and it was a touchback. so how many times

actions without consequences no lesson can be learned you would have thought the actions that he had Thursday night on Thanksgiving would have taught him a lesson because it was a valuable lesson to learn because the consequences was it was a touchback

and not a touchdown but guess he didn't learn yeah trying to hold trying to hold that thing yes man grab that Hey, grab it and bring that thing in there. Thank you. I'll tell you one thing.

Once you grab and bring in and tuck, it make it that much more difficult to get up out of there. It make it that much more difficult to get up out of it. And you don't have to stress holding on to it that damn tight with somebody trying to fight through your hands. Chat, go back and look at the first touchdown. Go back and look at the first touchdown and see what he did when he called it. He made sure he secured it.

It wasn't nobody really around. now this guy's on his tail he could feel it because you know oh jo you know when i broke away because i ran i ran a little over angle and the guy's already outside leverage so i know he's going to be driving hard i already know that right i i don't get it um Lamar has some drops but lamar's not throwing the football well ojo he had zay flowers on a touchdown and he undershot him and he threw it behind him and the guy knocked it got it up Jay was pointed, like put it out there. He had it.

Rashad Bateman, he had a, it was fourth, I think it was third down. He hit him, he dropped it. Yeah. But Lamar's not playing well. Y'all know that. Ain't no sense. I'm not breaking news to you.

I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming, breaking news to you. Lamar Jackson isn't playing well. He's just not. And a lot of that has to do with your left. he's terrible and i and chat i i know sometime my bluntness is not the best but he's not good that left guard is not good i mean he ain't you shouldn't be allowed to be that big and that sorry that needs to be a there needs to be a prerequisite if you this big you got to be good

this man so he can't block the sun out of his eyes let alone a defensive line with an extra a blitz are coming let me let me what number is he don't say 77 uh 77 for lay lay okay fillet yeah yeah yeah he for late fish fillet yeah yeah i bet listen isn't on film he is always he's always at the scene of a crime and i mean no disrespect yeah 77 yeah that's him on the on the on the games that i've seen is is is it's always him always the same one i think i think he's better at run blocking as a i'm thinking he better as a run blocker as opposed well bring his is on four down fourth and one fourth and two but most the way the teams are set up now ocho you got to throw the ball at some point in time yeah you got to throw it at

some point in time yeah he's he's that's that's his strength that has to be a strength you know, when it comes to the run because it pass blocking, uh-uh, always at the scene of the crime, every time. It's being reported that Lamar Jackson had a heated interaction on the sideline

with Daniel Filet, after the interception per Tracy Wolfson. At this point, Ocho, let me ask you this. If bad as he's been playing, this entire season, how bad must his backup be?

Mm. Chad, y'all need to help me out. If he's this bad, he's so bad that you can't bitch him, how bad but ain't no. I need somebody to help me. Ain't no way the backup can be that bad. Because if the backup that bad, he ain't even a high school player. I mean, how you, Ocho, how you pass that and you don't block nobody.

Yeah. I mean, to be that big, I mean, the sun rise up and the sun's shining. He can't even block the sun out of his eyes, Ocho. Sun blind him. He just walked right into the wall because he can't do this. Yeah, he got his son. He's a big boy too now. Big and terrible.

He's a big boy. Damn. He's as big as he is, sorry. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, that's your team that lost too now. Hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, Joe.

Hey, that's your team that lost, huh? Oh, Joe. You know, like, you know, co- used to tell us, say, son, you can't be old and slow, pick one. You can't be big and sorry. Right, yeah, you gotta have a struggle. You gotta have a struggle.

You can be small and sorry. You can be big and good. You can be old, but you can't be so. You gotta pick one. You can't be both. B-O-F-F both He both He big and sorry

For no reason Yeah How you go out How you go out You go to the grocery store With your wife or your girlfriend How you go get gas Mm-hmm

In public huh Yes I know damn well Ain't nobody ever told him This year good game They lied if they did You go in the hell If you told that man

Good game you lied you lied to his face. And he know it. Everybody know when they play like some stir fry. I mean, he's probably not playing with confidence right now. He's probably not playing. And the fact that if there was an altercation and you get into it with your quarterback, where your quarterback has to address, you know,

you not doing well in a game, that that will hurt your confidence even more. He hurt me. They're putting their helmet in my back. That hurt me. he should have soccer scott and kicked him in his hand uh you know he what he should did when he bit up with lamar walk up in the center kicked him in his tail yeah you know that really happens too you never see a quarterback really chastised his office the line no no they know when they get hurt that that rarely rarely really happened no matter how many times they

get sack to get hit that rarely happened so the fact that Lamar had to be really frustrated really frustrated from to even address it in game Because guess what? How many times have, because normally the quarterback said, come on, guys, we got to do better than this now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How many times during the course of this year, chat, do you think Lamar Jackson has said, come on, guys, we need to pick it up.

Hey, come on, hey, come on, come on. Hold on, what is Dave Mills? What's the name? Daniel. Come on, Dan. Hey, come on. Hey, we're going to get him. We're going to be all right.

And come on, Dan, we're going to get him. We're going to be all right. And Bob Lamar, no, we're not. This man going to get me killed. What they should do, Lamar said, you know what? I'm going to go play guard and I want you to play quarterback and I'm going to do to you what you've been doing to me. I ain't going to block a damn soul

and I want them to tear your ass up. We had that happen in Savannah State. Guard didn't miss the block. Coach, I'll tell you what, hey, you get here. You get there. Let me see how you like it. That's embarrassing. at some point in time

you know what don't show at some point in time you say you know what damn this you not been to whip my ass all day every day don't you got some pride forget the Ravens what about that name on the back back that I was just going to say that

it's written white I'll give them sharper and darker it and darker than that you're going to know who this is mm-hmm put me and witness on that's on film that ain't me man that you said you seven Nah, they ain't me. That's on film, huh? That's on film.

Everybody could see that. Oh, Lord. Like when all the teams you get to play, all the teams you get to play, oh yeah. When we line up, we run our TEs and our stunts right there. Right at 75.

That's the fish. Everybody got a fish on offense. Everybody got a fish on defense. Everybody has a weak link. And the weak link offensively is Young Bull. I mean, that's, I mean, everything. team has one. It just so happens. His is very glaring and it's noticeable every

effing game. Every game. You know what it is, Ocho? Chet, y'all been fishing. When you get a fish, when you get him on the line, what you can't do, Ocho? Let him off the hook. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, Ocho, I don't want to beat him too bad early because I don't want to get it benched. Because see, if I beat it too early, they're going to bench it. See, I'm going to wait to the right time. I'm waiting to get to the for a quarter. That's what I'm really start tearing his ass up. Yeah, I know, I know Lamar frustrated, man. Me, I frustrated and I ain't got hit in 20 years.

And, oh Joe, it was the 25th anniversary of the Super Bowl team. They got letterman jackets out there. Boy, you know if I'd have been out of the field. You, hey, I'd have ran out there with it. You, you. You terrible. Why you ain't go?

Long story. I explained it to you. Man. Man, that joke got, boy, this joke of here. Yeah. This is why I couldn't coach. Well, actually, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Now, see, that's one thing about it. Now, God always has a calling, huh? And most of the time, he had knock on your door and the fact that you don't answer the though maybe that's the problem the fact that maybe if you were coaching if you were coaching the baltimore ravens then you wouldn't be playing like this he probably wouldn't be playing like this if hearing it from you would register better than hearing it for who is coach whoever's coached is right now i get i i you heard it from lamar the

quarterback i mean it's too late to hear from tomorrow we chat let me tell you something in all my years rarely rarely never single out any offensive lineman individually he always does it as a group come on guys we got to do better than this come on guys we got to pick it up yeah i don't know i'm just saying if you was my coach when i was playing i would i would listen to you i probably wouldn't have had no celebrations i would hand the ball right to the ref uh me i'm a coach i him i said look here son i don't know what's going to happen i really don't but i did make a recommendation that we cut you just so we clear that's my recommendation Hey, hold on, a recommendation.

Yeah, that's what I've recommended. I don't know what's going to happen because it's out of my hands. But I did recommend this morning that we cut you. It ain't that many good linemen. He ain't one of them. So you're right. You're right. You're right.

Per the ball cast, uh, uh, per the ball cast Lamar threw his helmet down after the last offensive series and then had a conversation with Daniel Fulayle, who said they know it's coming every time. What? Also, you got two options on the football field as an offense. You can run it or you can throw it. So they got a 50-50 chance of guessing what the hell you're going to do. What do you mean, it ain't rocket science.

Yeah. If it's first, second or third now, what the hell you think they're going to do? Oh, they might put it. Oh, they might let Lamar kick it off. They're going to throw it or they're going to run it. Those are the only two choices that an offense have on first, second, or third down. And he's going to talk about they know what's coming. That all come down to want to, huh?

That all come down to want to. Even if you know what's coming. Even if you know what's coming, you ain't fin to get past me. If you do sack Lamar, if you dig it, if you do get, to Lamar it ain't going to be on me it's not going to be my fault i'm definitely not going to be the reason i will never be the problem i will always be the solution i mean that's just that's everybody's built different mentally that's my mentality i'm just saying if i played office a line oh i'm not going to be the problem well he that first of all if he's the solution what's the

problem if he to answer what's the question It ain't that many it ain't that many linemen on they they they you can't just pop them off trees like it's hard for me to believe that there are linemen worse than what he is it's hard for me to believe that on you I refuse to believe that well you you can't hide him no you can't hide him you can't hide him you can't hide him most of the time other other players other teams the way they're structured you can hide your fish you can hide your fish you can hide your weak link you know you can help your weak link double team you know run away from him when you do throw hair protection slide his way i mean it's just ugh there's a crowd of reporters waiting for daniel flay le locker but the media policy is general

not to talk to players before they're fully dressed filet was shirtless took his shirt in his hand nodded to the reporters walked off he did not return for questions let me ask you a question Ocho they win that game you think he does this no probably not probably not but understanding the questions that we're going to come

especially with the incident with Lamar he didn't want to say anything wrong you got to be as gracious in defeat as you are in victory that's a part of it nobody is going to win every game nobody is going to play great every game but a part of being a pro is standing there and facing the very tough questions but see when they ran for 300 yards he answered he he stood there and looked down the barrel

of the couldn't hey anybody else got anything they want to ask and you know what i'm kind of glad honestly ump especially when it comes the lineman you get into a few with the quarterback you guys have a disagreement on the sideline i'm glad he didn't answer any questions because ain't no telling what he might have said he might not be media savvy he might still have been angry he might have said the wrong goddamn thing short of him saying i suck today i ain't want to hear nothing he had to say if that was the first thing came out of his mouth and it's okay oh chole hey guys today wasn't my day i got to be better i was not good enough today and although we are a team and we lost the other team i have to be better individually it's okay to say that

it really is it really is okay to say that I've been the guy you know what hey we win as a team we lose other team but Shannon Sharp has to be better I'm counted on to make the plays that I left

on the field today I'm counted on to be a leader I didn't lead today I didn't make plays today that's on me I'll be better next week that won't happen again it's okay Ocho it's okay to not have to not be good

on a particular day it's going to happen to everybody but a part of being a professional a part of being a pro because he's a professional football player a pro is when things don't go your way you still look down the eye of that camera and when they ask you answer every question

that they ask what happened out there today yeah guys there was a rough one on me today I wasn't good enough I've got to be better. My teammates are counting on me. Lamar is counting on me. The fans are counting on me.

And I promise you, I'll be better next week. What happened? Nothing. The guy just beat me today. I just didn't have it. I know I got to get better. I don't have any, I can't tell you anything specifically that they did.

It was what I didn't do. Yeah. I was lunging. I wasn't, my steps weren't proper. I stepped underneath. It's okay, bro. It's okay to have a bad game. But don't run.

Don't run. Because if y'all had rushed for 300, I guarantee you you wouldn't have grabbed your tee. You grabbed your shirt and nodded at the camera. You'd have talked. So you got to talk and defeat just like you would in victory. That's what makes us pros. We don't hide.

We don't run. We don't tuck our tails when things don't go our way. Um, yes. Lamar stood right there. Ravens, y'all. Thomas tenure, the Pittsburgh is under microscope this week and would have gotten only worse had they lost to the Ravens.

Ocho? Yo. Does them winning this game today, does that cut down on the rumors that Mike Tom or the Steelers got to make a decision on Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin going somewhere. Does he want to go somewhere? Do they want to go somewhere else?

Do you think that quell the noise of what's going on in Pittsburgh? Nah. I think once a rumor like that starts, you always know that rumor always comes from somewhere. I think regardless of what they do, I think they're probably going to move on. It's been a very long time since they've moved on from a coach. Most of the time, they allow their coaches to leave on their own.

But for a rumor like that to start, it has to come from somewhere. And it came from in that building. It came from in that building, so I think once the rumor starts and that fire gets the burning, I don't think there's anything that they can do collectively as a group or Mike Tomlin as a head coach that would change the decision that they're going to make at the end of the season. I think they're going to allow him to leave it in his hands to say, I'm stepping down, I'm stepping away from here for the foreseeable future, and we're going to go in a different direction.

I think they're not going to fire him. I think he's going to probably step away and allow him go go out on his own on his own I don't think me personally Ocho look and coach Tomlin look I think it's going to be hard for him to step away or them to fire him if he wins the division make the playoffs but you got to understand Ocho they haven't won a playoff game it'll be a decade yeah what makes you think they win one now and how many how many how many playoff games have they won since they won that Super Bowl I know they lost I know they lost one year to the Patriots in the AFC championship game but how many playoff games since they won that Super Bowl

Ocho they beat the Cardinals mm-hmm I think that was in Tampa yeah I'm not sure how many they've won so far I think they haven't been since uh became City 2016 2016 I think that might have been the last time but I don't think they won more than two or three playoff games since they won that last Yeah, but it's hard, boy. Yeah, they lost the Super Bowl to Green Bay. And then they went to the championship game, I guess the Patriots.

What year was that? Okay. You know, you know where Mike Tomlin kind of messed up where he would be okay if he had drafted a quarterback and didn't worry about Ben Rothenberger? Ben Rutherberg's feelings drafted the quarterback early. He didn't. And you wouldn't have been searching for him right now

because not having a quarterback has put you behind the eight ball and having to search and search and search. And that's one of the reasons why you haven't had the success you wanted to because you haven't found a quarterback yet. That's why Green Bray has prosperity because Green Bay was unafraid to piss the quarterback off. Brett Farr was pissed. He was pissed to the highest of pistivity

that they drafted Aaron Rogers. Aaron Rogers was pissed. Aaron Roger was even higher. And they say, you know what? You better be pissed off than pissed on. So guess what? Keep it moving. You got, Ocho, you cannot wait to the bridge.

You got to start trying to repair it. Because if you wait to the bridge collapse, it's too late. We saw what happened with the dolphins when they didn't have adequate replacement for, for, for, uh, Dan. Yeah. We see when they let these. quarterbacks rot on the vine and they're afraid to upset their feelings, well, I don't want to bring anybody, bro, okay? But when he leave, then what you're going to do? Yeah, you're stuck. You stuck. And they've been stuck for a while ever since Big Ben is gone.

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