Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder beat the Nuggets in G5 to go up 3-2, & the Pacers advance to the ECF!

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shai Gilegeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets to go up 3-2, the Indiana Pacers beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals & Stephen Curry is officially out for game 5 vs the Timberwolves & much more!01:47 - Introduction03:53 - Nuggets v Thunder21:00 - Pacers v Cavs40:43 - Steph officially out for game 545:39 - Mavs wont trade number 1 pick according to ESPN56:20 - Anonymous source on the Nuggs says Russ is immature(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Boy, it took everything to grit that they show. Oklahoma City weren't normally involved in a whole lot of games like this because they won, they were the best team in the NBA all year. But to see them execute the last two games in clutch situation, the last five minutes of the ball game, the game within five points, they've been sensational.

The Thunder beat the Nuggets to take a 3-2 series lead. OKC double-digit scores in game five. Shea, 31. JDub, 18. Hardenstein, 15. Chet, 14. Caruso, 13. And Lou Dort had 12.

This was a total team effort. Jokic came out. He was very, very aggressive. He wasn't looking to get everybody else involved. He was looking to dominate this game and he did, but he didn't get enough help. 44 points, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals. And he did it on 17 of 25 shooting. 5 of 7 from the 3-point line. 5 of 5 from the three point line. Five of five from the free throw line. As I mentioned, 15 points, five assists, two steals. He only had two turnovers and he carried a heavy workload. 44 minutes. All the starters, Christian Brown, 43 minutes.

Jamal Murray, 42 minutes. Yoke, 44 minutes. Michael Porter Jr., who gave them nothing in the second half, along with Christian Brown, they scored zero points between the two of them, Ocho. And they missed, they were 0 of 6 I think in the third and the fourth in the second half. Aaron Gordon had 37 played 37 minutes, had 13 points. Mettle, you watch this game and going into the fourth quarter, I know the Nuggets were very comfortable because normally the last time they were here in the second game, they got blown out and it's like, here we are.

We got an eight point lead heading into the fourth quarter. We're playing extremely well, but. The thunder got a gear that they can get to it. I don't know if the Nuggets are not hitting on all cylinders. They can get to that level. What impressed you the most about what you saw from OKC tonight? Well, you know, OKC, I always had them winning. I definitely had SGA as MVP.

I do like the Joker. I mean, when you win 68 games and the next team is in their 50s, I don't even know how many games, you know, a different one. You know, and the MVP is usually on that team. And they have a really balanced team. They all play defense. And I think Joker is probably going to be kicking himself in the butt, meaning he should be doing a little bit more sprints, right?

Like because if he's going to play 44 minutes in the playoffs, and sometimes if you look at the game, it's too easy. So sometimes it was too easy. You're not doing those extra sprints. Yeah. Cause you're already getting 40 and 20 anyway. Right? And these are those games where you need to close out the extra defensive slide, the extra drive. And I think if Joker was in a little bit better shape,

he pulls out this game by himself, but he did a lot. Ocho, you watching this game and you see the Nuggets, they played extremely well for for three quarters They played really well, then they get outscored 34 to 19 in the fourth quarter Yolkich was doing all he could Murray had 28, but it was a very inefficient 28. He had 27 shots to get it He was 3 of 13 from the three-point line Kristen Brown 43 minutes 3 of 12 from the field 2 of 8 from the 2 3-point line Michael Porter jr. Had played 29 minutes. He was 1 of 7 from the field, two of eight from the two, three point line. Michael Porter Jr. had played 29 minutes.

He was one of seven from the field. He was 0-5 from the three point line. You can't play that many minutes and only have two points. Christian Brown had eight points in the first half, none in the second half. They got no contribution. And when you get that kind of contribution,

they had six guys in double figures, OKC did. When you watch this game and you see late in the game, the two big guns, Shay Gilders and Jalen Williams take this game over. What impressed you most about what you saw from OKC, Ocho? Hey, honestly, I really think it came down to fatigue. Both teams lean very heavy, very heavy on their starters. Obviously, obviously so because of the playoffs and the severity and the meaning of and the importance of this game

Okay, see rotated they players and short spurts where they only had really one player over 24 minutes you look at Denver They have four players that played over 37 minutes and obviously when it came to those last five minutes at the game You know it was time to know the close out or they were switching late It showed. Listen, Joker did what he could do. He just, he just looked tired, but even when he is tired, he still show up to the party on. He still give you work.

Man, he still give you that work. I don't know what the Michael Porter Jr. I don't know. I don't know a Porter. Michael Porter Jr. Right? Yeah. Man, what young boy like that doing, man?

Nothing. Getting cardio in. Um, he has his sprain left AC joint. Oh, what young boy like they're doing, man. Nothing getting cardio in. Um, he has a sprain left AC joint. Oh, so he hurt. We know that's very painful, but if you can't get the job, it matter at some point in time, if you can't get the job done, you say, coach, I just can't get it done because you not being a threat. Now you allow them to load up on Yoke.

You allow them to load up on Murray because they don't view you as a scoring threat. So now if you're not a threat, you are no good to your team because now they can go 2 on 2, 2 on 1, 2 on 1. They can load up on Yoke. And you see that's what happened later in the ball game because yeah, he hit a fadeaway three that I don't know how that ball went in, but it did go in. But Porter and Brown are going to have to give them more if they want to get get back and come Back to OKC for game seven What do you think they need to do in order to win on Thursday night in Denver to make sure they have a game seven? I think Saturday or Sunday probably a lot more body movement, you know

The Joker have five or six that's not normal. I think he needs to have ten assists You know for them to... They can't make shots man! You know in order to get assists the guy got to put the ball in the basket. That's true, flip side they got to put the ball in the basket that's true and you know Joker probably took it on and you know took it upon himself but you know I feel like he's not in the ten assist range and I think that's gonna be difficult like once like you said it's gonna fall on the players they're gonna have to step it up. Cause I'm looking at Jamal Murray. Think about it.

He had 28 points and took him 27 shots. Yeah, that's not. Kristen Brown had eight points, but he had 12 shots. Michael Porter Jr. had two points. He had seven shots. So, and he was on five. So Kristen Brown and Michael Porter Jr., they were two of 13 from the three.

And so, look, the thing is that you have to have, if I'm playing the Denver Nuggets, what am I gonna do? Am I gonna make Yoke get your score or I'm gonna let him be a facilitator? But I can't let him do both, because if he's doing both, it's gonna be hard for you to beat him. Now, like you said, if he had 44 points and 10, 12 assists, would they win this game?

But that means players are making shots because it'd be interesting to see how many potential assists he could have had had guys made those shots. And that's the difference in this ball game because late in the fourth quarter when it got time, they made their shots. OKC made their shots.

And that's why you got six guys in double figures. And you look at the rotation. The Nuggets are playing eight guys Okay, see you're playing ten guys You see the difference 18 minutes 11 minutes even I Zell Joe only played five Caruso gave you 24 minutes Jalen William gave you 10 minutes Lou Doran gave you 28 I'll give you 28 minutes and then your big guns, Gill just had 39, 33 for Hardenstein,

Jalen Williams had 38, and Chet Hongren had 34. But that's what you have to have in a situation like this, Ocho. You gotta have your big guns to go. Hey, hey, uh, but that goddamn Luke Dork when he hit them three threes back to back? Mm-hmm. Look at that, Jaden Williams,

everybody collectively as a group, they played very well offensively in transition on both ends of the floor defensively. I think, honestly, Meryonk, I really wanna ask you, based on the way they perform tonight, the way The Thunder perform tonight, what are the chances you have them winning a chip this year, even though they're young?

Well, damn, can we get out of this series first? Or get out of the Western Conference? I really, I don't mean no disrespect, but I really think this series is over. I think this series- I don't think it's over. I think it's going seven. What?

I think it's going seven. You think the clinic gonna let us in the public? I can see it going seven with a, cause you know the joker's a different, he a different bitch, you know, he got two games away. That's how you looking at it You know, I didn't necessarily think the Pacers was gonna be like a number one seed or beating a number one seed I'm gonna be good. But you know all the other teams are stacked. Yon is SGA, right? And so, you know, I think the Pacers are just coming out the East and so I did have SJ

I did have OKC winning. Like I didn't have them favorite to win this year. So I'm just going to be honest. I did have them favorite to win, but if they go up against Indiana, you know how that go. I'm facing town. I totally get that. I think that, look, Peyton Watson, I mean, guys were bad.

I mean, the reserves came in, they hit three shots. They're three and 15. Peyton Watson was one of four. Russ was one of seven. Strother, was it Straether? Straether was one or two. I mean, one of, yeah, one or two. So that's three or 13 shots.

That's not good enough. No. That's not nearly good enough. When you look at what they got out of their bench, they got 15, 18, they got 22. You gave them 10, they got 22. So the thing is that it's hard for Yoke, and that's the thing about the playoffs.

It's really hard for your big guys to get a rest because the game get away from you just like that. They take yoke out of, they take Murray out and go on now. Okay. See goes on a run and that's really, that's really hard, but you know, yoke knows he's going to have to probably play another 44, 45. He might have to play 46 minutes in order for them to have a chance, but they're going to have to shoot the ball better 13 or 46 won't get it done.

You shoot none of 30% and from the three, and you taking that many? Yeah. Nah, they need to be in the third. They need to be somewhere between 35 and 38% if they're going to shoot that many threes. And they got to help too. You got to have something from the bench. Something from the bench got to happen. And the thing about it is, you know, Russ Rushbrook at times, you know, he's up and down.

So he had a somewhat of a bad game tonight. I doubt he has a repeat performance of that, you know, Rushbrook at times you know he's up and down so he had a he had a somewhat of a bad game tonight I doubt he has a repeat performance of that you know come come next game because obviously you're back against the wall you don't have a choice but to win this next game yeah I think he's gonna show up he gonna deliver Joker's gonna be Joker no matter what and MPJ got to show up Michael Porter I think they gotta you know they gotta drive the ball too sometimes that shot not or not, if you heard the pan. They gotta drive the ball too. Sometimes that shot not falling, you gotta, if you look at the pace of game when they won, it was down seven and Hallenberg hit that layup. It was down seven for 45 seconds.

And what the Hallenbergs are doing, he started driving. And actually, even in the first quarter, they were actually down that game. And then when the young fella McConnell got in the game, he started driving the ball to the basket. Once he started driving the ball to the basket, changed the whole game. You see what I'm saying? And I think sometimes guys afraid to use that extra energy to you know to get to the teeth of the defense if that makes sense. Yeah it does but you look at that's not that's not Michael Porter Jr. He's basically who he's a wing player. He's used to the catch and shoot, things like that. He's not looking to put the ball on the floor.

Obviously Murray will put the ball on the floor. Kristen Brown can drive the ball. Gordon can drive the ball. Yoke can do some of everything. But that's, I mean, other than Russ, we talked about this at the beginning of the series. You've got to ride the Russ roller coaster. I mean, you're going to get a game where he gives you 17 points and six rebounds and five assists, but you're also going to have a game where he plays like this and he's not efficient and he's going to turn the ball over. You have to accept everything that comes along,

the good, the bad, the ugly and the indifferent. That's who Russell Westbrook is. That's basically what he had been in his entire career. Yeah, he can give you 30, but he can have a double, he can have a troop dove, but he probably gonna have seven, eight assists. That comes along with it. We okay, we're understanding that now. We know where we are, we know what we, we hope we know what we're gonna get from Russ.

This. But the other guys, I need Murray to be a little bit more efficient. I need Kristen Brown to give me more than what he gave me tonight. Michael Porter Jr. two points won't get it. You cannot play 29 minutes and give the team two points. That will not cut it. Two points, four rebounds, two assists? Not nearly enough. That's not nearly enough against this team. Maybe

against the Clippers. That was good. And if you go back and look at how he played in game three, he was great. Yeah. He was great in game three. He was one of the reasons that they won. But this effort that they did that. Go ahead, go ahead, Bella. I was going to say, thanks for having me on a nightcap. I got to catch this connecting flight.

I'm over here in Dubai. I'm in Dubai. You're in where? Dubai? I just left Saudi. Now I'm in connecting Dubai, coming back to LA.'re in where? Dubai? I just left Saudi. Now I'm in connecting Dubai coming back to LA. You know, they told me I'd be on a nightcap. I was like, man, I gotta get on a nightcap. But I want to say it's an honor to be on a nightcap. I love everything. Going to media, chat. You already know.

So good to see you. Yes, sir. Have me again. I would love to come back on a nightcap. Absolutely. Appreciate you stopping by for a few moments, metal. moments, uh, metal. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Go catch that flight. All right, bro. Yeah. I, I don't know.

Look, yeah. 34 to 19, they got outscored. They were up by eight. They lose by seven. Um, and you, you think about it. They scored 28, 28, 30, and then they dipped to 19. That was not the quarter that you wanted to have your lowest scoring output. Give OKC credit, they're a great defensive team.

They switch everything. They can guard. You know, you got Jalen Williams that can guard, Lou Dordek can guard. Even when they come in, you know, Caruso can guard, Wiggins can guard, Wallace can guard, Joe can guard. They do a great job. Chet Holmgren and Anazel Hartenstein doing a great job of protecting the paint. Shea is great at deflecting,

getting deflections and stealing the ball. So they're a very good defensive team. I don't want to take anything away from them, but I do think that Michael Porter, he and Christian Brown are gonna have to play better if they want to force a game seven and come back to OKC. And do you make a coaching change? I mean, does the coach make a change and with Michael Porter

jr. Really not give me anything. Do you have somebody else play? Well, remember I said, and Joe said he, you and Joe said you don't want to mess up that and take the production that Russ gives you off the bench. I made that recommendation a couple of days ago. Remember? I mean, where at this point you, you definitely gotta do it.

I'm just saying you back against the wall. You, you, you, you, you definitely got to do it. I'm just saying, you back against the wall, you gonna go home one or the other. If he's that injured, hell, you can have Rusty, and then Rust can give you what, two points? I mean, that's the kid. Yeah, Rust gave you four. Rust gave you four in 20 minutes. But guys just gotta be better.

Guys, you gotta be better. I mean, the bench for the Nuggets were two of eight from the three. That ain't good enough. That's not good enough. But OKC is one win away from advancing to the Western Conference Finals. And thanks to a 112-105 victory over Denver, game six is back in Denver on Thursday. Great balance scoring from the Thunder. Six players in double figures led by what we presume

will be the MVP, Shea Gildge. He has 31 points, six rebounds, seven assists, two steals, two blocks. And they win 112 to 105. and they win 112 to 105. Tyrese Halliburton leads the Paisers to the second straight Eastern Conference final. 31 points. Eight assists, six rebounds, 10 or 15 from the floor, six or 10 from the three point. I think in the second quarter, that's what did it.

They were down by many at 19. And then Halley hits like four or five threes. Flipped the momentum. He drove the basketball. He was sensational. He won this game for them. And everybody, I don't want to take anything away from anybody because I thought Neesmith played well. Nimhart played well. Siakam. Again, Ocho, Siakam 21 points.

Neesmith 13 points, 13 rebounds. Miles Turner 10 points, 7 rebounds. Nimhart 18 points. Halleck was sensational. Plus 27, the high plus minus. They shot 50% from the floor. They shot 43% from the three point line. And they win this game.

They go on the road, three games, all three games in the number one seed building. They won the ball game. And they won it in clutch situations, playing great. Halleck was putting the ball on the floor, getting to the basket, or he was shooting that rainbow three that was splashing nothing but net. Evan Mobley played great again tonight. He was eight or 12, 24 points, 11 rebounds.

You got 11 points. Darius Garland, he still nicked up 416.06 from the three. He had 11 points. Donovan Mitchell played 38 minutes, eight or 25 from the floor, four of 13 from three, 15 to 21 from the free throw line, 35 points. I thought what really hurt them is that Donovan got fired on a three point shot and he missed all three of them,

Mocho, he missed all three of them. Max Cruz got great cardio and he didn't give you no points tonight, 0 of 9, 0 of 6, no free throws. It's bad. Yeah. At some point, hey, hey, hey, at some point in time now, we got to start holding Donald Mitchell accountable. Now we say he's a superstar and he has yet to get past the second round.

Now he was, they won 64 games this year. Mm-hmm. Had a very similar situation in Utah. And he objected to get past the second round. Now, they won 64 games this year. Had a very similar situation in Utah. At what point in time do we say, all right, Donovan, all these acrobatics and 70 points and 57 points in a playoff game and 50 points in a playoff game, at some point in time, we need to see that progress and you move on to the next round.

Go ahead, Uncle. I mean, hell, Cleveland, Cleveland just shot 38%, man. From the field at ninth, they were 25% from three. Hell, they had 23,011 tone overs. I mean, it took, it took, it took goddamn Donald Mitchell, shit, he had 35 points, we were eight to 25. Yeah, it took 25 shots to get it. It took a lot of shots that you didn't even

get it and obviously the inconsistencies with scoring and poor shooting from the perimeter it killed any momentum for them or a chance at a comeback regardless. The goddamn paces everybody in double figures. That's how they do it. They do it by committee. Everybody in double figures and everybody contributing. So, I mean, you know, no disrespect to brother to brother Donald and Mr. But he can only do so much and obviously Darius Garland is hurt

you know, it's evident. You can tell. But without a four of Ross, there's really no way they gonna play. I call them the four by one team because that's what they do. They run up and down the court like damn four by one. They're looking to push the ball, make or miss. They're taking it out the net or they're taking it out of bounds,

but they're looking to push the tempo. And they were doing a great job because they want to keep the ball out of Halliburton's hand because he's the point guard. I mean, he's the guy that's looking to push the tempo. They did a great job, but he got it going in the second quarter. And I think he had like 15, 15, maybe 15, 17 points in the second quarter alone. I think it was 15. I think he had 15 in the second quarter and I think they were all made threes. And he was, he was sensational. He got it going. And then once he got it going, they settled in. And I think the thing was, is

that once Cleveland couldn't blow them out, they couldn't get any more separation, Ocho. He's like, man, we were up by at 19. We had the crowd into the building and here they are. They're still standing. We just hit them with our best. We hit them with a flurry that lasted about 10 minutes and they're still standing.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. LeBron James tweeted, Hallie F-ing Hooping. Where's the lames who said he was overrated? Quiet as hell. That boy nice. Even more someone everyone would love to play with. Mind the game, Pond. Tyrese Halliburton was voted most overrated player,

most overrated by the players. And now he's on his way to his second straight conference finals. I think if I'm not mistaken, they are the first for a lower seed to make back to back conference finals. Ever. Right. What do you think it is? The reason why he's received so much hate.

Hey, I don't even think honestly, when it comes to this, if you ask all the players in NBA I guarantee you none of them voted. I guarantee you none of them actually voted for this and it's something that's that that that's construed up. It's the players poll Ocho. That's like saying, let me ask you a question. So the NFL when they say the top ratings are the players you think they vote? Hold on we ain't talking about the NFL. I'm just asking. If they don't vote for this they're not voting in the NFL, correct? Or when the baseball have a poll, who's the best player, they voted? I don't remember ever voting. Did you vote?

Because I don't know- You didn't have that poll. Did they have that when you voted, when you played? I have no idea. How far did the top 100 go back? I think it goes back probably like 2012, 2013. Oh, for real? Yeah I just, I just, because if you ask the NBA players about this Bo stuff, you ask them if they

voted. Of course they're not gonna don't attach their name to it because they smiling in the man face. Oh okay I see what you mean. Yeah you think I'm gonna say yeah I voted him most overrated? I just doubt it man. I just think it's something, I think it's something that, uh... Let me ask you a question. Well, how did they come up with his name? Of all the players, there are 450 players in the NBA. 13, 15 players per team. Well, they only picked...

Listen, you notice they picked the top dogs, right? They picked the top dogs. So he's a top dog. I think it's just his game is not pretty. It's not aesthetically pleasing to most. Okay, well, say that. That's why they said he is not pretty. It's not aesthetically pleasing to most. Okay, we'll say that But but let's not be disingenuous to say that the players didn't vote they voted I'm just being honest with you He can't be as good as he's been all season long and all of a sudden some players in the NBA

That respect each other unless it's a personal issue. I will say oh he's overrated It's the fucking name oh, my bad. It's the NBA. It's the NBA for one, and you respect the player that's as good as he is and has done what he's done. But the problem that you have run into, Ocho, a lot of players are comparing him to who? Point guard, Steph Curry.

Who's another point guard? Shea Gilders. Who's another point guard? Luka Dantic. So when you compare- Okay, I like that you just said that. Comparison, like I always say, is the Gilder, who's another point guard? Luka Donjic. So when you compare- Okay, I like what you just said that. Comparison, like I always say, is the thief of joy, right? Right.

When you're comparing him to Steph and SGA and all these other point guards, when you wouldn't say he's overrated, you'd just say he's not as good as them. Everybody just name him. Aesthetically pleasing, look at Shea's game, SGA's game. Smooth as goddamn butter. Look at- Right. Got allGA game, smooth as goddamn butter. Look at this, got all the little kids, little infants,

can't even walk yet, they shooting threes. Yeah. So it's different. Halliburton, you know, his shot looked like Sean Marion. You know, it's not pretty, he looked like Horace Grant when he shoot. I mean, it's just what it is, but he gets the job done. Yes.

In not a beautiful way. It's like, it's like you see a woman but it gets the job done. Yes. And not a beautiful way. It's like, it's like, you see a woman, right? You see a nice woman, she, you know, she's cute. And all of a sudden she turned around. It's like, ah, it's not what you thought it was. Right. But it, it gets the job done. Right.

You know what I mean? I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. But I, but I think, I think the thing is for me, I do believe, you know, Ocho, there's a reason why when you vote, you go into a booth so nobody else knows what you're doing. I don't like that. We need to get rid of that shit.

Oh my bad. I keep cursing. We need to get rid of it. Look at that. They got, I mean, Tyrese Halliburton got Rudy Gobert, Trey Young, Jimmy Butler, Bradley Beal, Dre Mon, Ja, Jewel Randall, Embiid, Yonis, Dylan Brooks, Paul George, Tyler Hiro, all these guys were on there.

I just, man, I don't know. No one who reached the NBA is overrated. True. Because what are you basically, because I mean, if you're in the league, obviously, there's level to everything. Everybody that works at a Fortune 500 company isn't the CEO. There's not the CFO. They're not the COO. So obviously there's levels to it. And I think that's the thing is, is that you're thinking, like I said, but every one of the

players that's on this list has the ability to make players that didn't make this list look foolish. Bingo. In the NFL, the worst player on his best day can make the best player on his worst day look bad. Absolutely. That's the NFL. That's the, that's, that's, that's a, a, a, a NBA that's MLB.

The best pitcher can go out there and pitch six, seven, uh, eight shutout innings. But then the best pitcher, excuse me, the worst pitcher can pitch seven, eight shutout innings, the best pitcher can go out there and pitch a third of an inning and gave up eight, gave up eight, hit five runs and he's gotten pulled. So when you look at it, they're all professionals. Yeah. In any, in any profession, professional can make another professional in said profession look foolish.

And you know what I think, especially when it comes to the 1% NBA, NHL, uh, NFL, I think the thing that separates all of the players is consistency, young. Yeah, for sure. that separates all of the players is consistency. Young, yeah, for sure. Whoever can do it at a consistent level for a very long period of time. Some, some people are inconsistent with it. They can do it on one night, but can't do it on the other. Correct.

But consistently just really, really good and really never fall up underneath that, that medium of God damn, what the hell was that? It's just always good and then sometimes it's great yes but you do realize like to be great is boring because you're doing the same thing over and over over and over and over I mean what do you think what do you think Steph Curry going to the gym and kicking the ball in the hoop no he's shooting threes over and over and over and over again. And he's warming up the same way over and over and over again.

And LeBron James is doing the same thing over and over and over again. And Tiger did the same thing. And people are like, that's boring. Greatness is very monotonous. Yeah. Yeah. Because you go in and doing it over and over.

It's the repetition. And so you don't do it so you can get it right. You do it until you can't get it wrong. Oh. Mm-hmm. And that's what great, that's what great, Tom Brady did the same thing for 20 plus years. And he probably saved, I mean, he enjoyed doing it, but it was boring because he's watching film, he's going out there, he's getting his band, he's getting his body loose,

and he's throwing outs, and he's throwing sticks, and he's throwing goal balls, and he's throwing overs, and he's throwing flat routes, and he's throwing post routes. He's doing that every single day. And the funny thing about it too is you talk about people that are great and great at what they do, and it's not even just sports, huh? It's not even just sports.

It's things that people can apply to their everyday life. But the hard part about it is nobody wants to continue to do the same thing over and over, let alone have the discipline to do it consistently until they become great at something, whatever it be, everybody looks at shortcuts. How can I get to my end goal faster? How can I get to my end goal faster? Never really wanting to put the work in, but wanting the end result right away.

Because we can get a microwave society. It never lasts, huh? With a microwave society, Ocho. Because what I can do, I can stick it in the microwave for a minute and it's done. I ain't gotta put it on the stove, I ain't gotta watch it, I ain't gotta simmer, I ain't gotta go back and check it. I just put, hey. Hey, but listen, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because anything that has

instant gratification... Is not sustainable. At all. It's like a one-hit wonder. It's like a one hit wonder. It's like, it's like a one hit wonder. I mean, I wish I, you know what? I wish we could like have a, like a Beyonce, somebody that's been great for an extended period of time and to Beyonce. What, I mean, what did you do? Cause all you hear is about how hard she worked.

She knows what she wants. She goes in the studio and she's like, okay, I got it. And she does this over and over, and over over and over over and over All the grace did it And people like that how you eat the same thing Because I want the same result I don't say he's I always say I always make anything different You think LeBron James expect anything different than the greatness that

he's displayed for 22 years. You think Tom Brady expected something different from the greatness that he displayed throughout his NFL career. Once he got, once he got in there. Of course not. That's why he did what he did. And he tried, you try to find ways to improve upon that. Tom didn't always do the TB 12 method.

He found somebody's like, okay, I'll try it. He had success. He never left it. LeBron got Mike Macias, or Jordan got Tim Grover, Kobe had Grover, boom. And so it is a greatness requires not a commitment, but a singular focus.

A singular focus. Jordan didn't have no race car team. He didn't have all this stuff while he played. Kobe didn't have all these. Kobe was not trying to win no Oscar while he played. He had a singular focus. The greats have a singular focus. Now they've branched off now.

And when you see guys trying to build their brand and that's fine. You have to like, I think you get to a certain point, you're like, well, and I don't really know how much of their doing is that. Cause like, let's take LeBron for example. Savannah's like, I've always wanted to be a housewife. I want to support my husband.

I want him to be the best at what he can do. Does, I got this at home. Don't you worry about Bronnie. Don't you worry about Bryce. Don't you worry about Zuri. I got this. You handle that. Okay, now he has other endeavors.

Maverick, you handle that. Rich Paul, you handle this. Randy, you run the day to day. You make sure I get from point A to point B, wherever we need to be. Boom, boom, boom, boom. He focuses on what he focuses on. See? Everything is from LeBron.

All LeBron do is come down and eat. Hey. Somebody might hand him his jacket or something. He out the door until he got a driver. He ain't driving. I told him one time, hey, I saw him driving. I hit him up. I said, bro, hell, I didn't even know you have driver license.

I ain't never seen you drive before. He sent me to a boy in the back laughing. I'm like, damn, bro, you can drive. You got driver's license? He's like, yeah, I can drive. But greatness, it requires all encompassing. And that's why most people think people that are great, they're there, you know what?

They got total vision. But if you notice, you ever seen penguins and pigeons hanging? Birds of a feather flock together. You don't see penguins and pigeons hanging. Penguins hang with penguins, pigeons hang with pigeons. Eagles hang with eagles, hawks hang with hawks. That's why you see people of a certain status

because you know why? Brian Billig once told me, he said, Shay, you know why movie stars marry other movie stars? Or like, I don't know, maybe on the set. He said, because the other know what it's like to live in that world. They know what it's like to jump in and out of character. What they have to lock in for six months and be something. And then all of a sudden, so now when I'm irritable and I'm moody, guess what?

My partner did the same thing just last year. So I know what he's going through. She knows what I'm going through. I can relate to it. Yeah. I can relate. Relatability. Makes sense.

It makes sense. But Halle put on a show tonight. He was sensational. And they won this game, clutch situation. They've been great all game long. I mean, you look at two games, Cleveland probably kicking themselves in the butt. Had it had it one and they came back and lost and Indiana came back and took both games. Could we get a rematch of the semifinals of last year in the Eastern

conference? Nick Pacers, Pacers go into the new MSG, win a game seven. It's gonna be very interesting. I think Brunson got Nick last year, but he's full go. Now this is gonna be a great, look, I don't wanna put the card before the horse, but I do believe at some point in time, the New York Knicks are gonna advance to the Eastern Conference Finals,

where they'll face the Indiana Pacers. That's what I do believe. And I think it's gonna be a great series. ["The Golden State"] Steph Curry is officially out for game five in Minnesota. That means Golden State, treading in the series three-one, will face elimination without their best but without their best player does

Golden State win this game tomorrow? I think they weigh the white flag on honestly I'm just honestly think that I mean I think they weigh the white flag I don't think they have a chance of winning the game without Steph if they do have a chance we're gonna need Jimmy Butler To be Jimmy Butler. We need him to be playoff Jimmy. Correct. We need Buddy Hill to be Buddy Hill that we saw score 30. I forgot what night that was. He got to come out. He got to have an out-of-body experience, you know? No, you got to have that game that game 7 in Houston where he scored 33 and then he came back the first game And I think the first game this series when Steph got hurt he dropped 22. Yeah he gonna have to

add something like that so if anything it's gonna be a two-headed muscle from Jimmy and Buddy if they're even gonna contend and make it a game in general if not you know what the fat lady might as well star-sing it. I don't know what song she gonna sing but she might as well star- well start singing. I think the thing is though, man, Ant-Man, he get you down, bro. He don't let you up. He from the South, he knows that old saying, killing that with a sledgehammer. Yeah. Don't wave at him and shoe him and hope he don't come back.

When you see him right there, you get your sledgehammer, you hammer his ass. You make sure. Bro, that's overkill. No, it ain't. And that's howkill. No, it ain't. And that's how Ant-Man is. He had an opportunity to dispatch Book and KD, and he did it. He had an opportunity to dispatch Yoke and Murray,

and he did it. He had an opportunity to dispatch Luke and LeBron, and he did it. Now, he's gonna do, I believe they're gonna win. Steph got hurt, but it's gonna be a nice pilt on his wall. Yeah. I mean, he got to say, hey, if you know the thing about hunting, I'm not a hunter anymore, but hey, they like trophies.

And so they go, you know, they try to go into Africa and they try to catch, try to get the big seven, the Cape buffalo, a lion, a leopard. Yeah. And whatever the case may be, and they put it on his wall. That's what he's going for. He a big game hunter. And normally, Hey, when he says his target on something, when he says his side on something, I like it.

You don't miss. I like it. You don't miss. It's very unfortunate. And we, you see what's happening. Oh, it's a war of attrition. That's what it comes down to injury. You see Steph get injured.

Donald Mitchell got nicked. Uh, J L uh, Jason Tatum is out. Ain't nobody feeling sorry for you. They're not. Hey, it's unfortunate. Unfortunate. And that's, and sometimes when it gets down to this, it's unfortunate. Unfortunate. And that's, and sometimes when it gets down to this, it's a war of attrition.

No joke. Who is the healthiest? Who can stay the healthiest the longest? That's what it comes down to. Actually in any sport, we ain't even talking about basketball, whether it be football, NHL, no baseball, especially your most important players, your Steph Currys, your James Tatums, you know, they give you a chance. Just having them makes your job easy. Now you just, nobody else can trick you.

Do their part. And when you mentioned, you said, uh, play out Jimmy needs to show up. Even if he shows up, he gonna need one more person to come along with him. Yeah. That's why I say it gotta be Buddy. It gotta be Buddy. Um, maybe it's Kaminka. Hold on, I forgot about Kaminka.

He didn't have two games, he had two big games back to back. The guy wasted. Shh. Because you know, hey, Jew Rando and Ant-Man, you know they what they gonna give you. Yeah. So one Jimmy cannot cannot do with both of them.

So somebody buddy commingle somebody positive positive do for a game. Presimpsky he hadn't played. Hey, I hadn't played well. I'm not breaking news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming to tell you this. He hasn't played well. He's going to have to play better if they're gonna have a chance to win this ball game.

Yeah. So they got the work cut out for them tomorrow. I mean, they would love to be in a situation, but at this point in time, even if they win game five, I ain't bringing Steph back. I'm not finna run the risk of hurting that man. That's why I said they weigh the white flag. It's no need.

There's no need, especially being down three one, there's no need to bring him back and put him through that and making him exert that kind of energy to even get us back in this series. Just let him. Get healthy. Hey, get ready to enjoy your off season still.

Take you about two weeks, two weeks, a month off. Go on vacation. You and Ayesha take the kids on going vacation somewhere. Relax, don't even worry about it Check back in when you get back in them and uh and the first of July. Yeah According to ESPN Tim's McMahon the math won't trade the number one pick the math plan to select Duke forward Cooper flag And will not entertain the possibility of trading away the pick for a proven superstar. Yes, there's no need.

There's no need, especially not them. You want to piss the fans off even more? Do you want to piss them off even more? I'm not sure there are superstars that you would trade them for, but it is- Yannis. I mean, Yannis, ah, Yannis is a good one, but I see, I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't do it. I like that, that the fact of having Kyrie coming back healthy, you got AD, you got Cooper flag, let's see what they could become before we think about going to get Yonis and I already told you Yonis going to Miami, but that's going to be the here and no there. Rich Paul also says Cooper flag going number one overall to Dallas will allow him to develop on a reasonable timeline as a rookie. I agree. I think the thing is it would be it would be more reasonable had Kyrie not gotten nicked. Well if Kyrie hadn't gotten nicked they

wouldn't be in this situation to select him so that's not hear no there. But I think he might have to pick up that a little sooner because Kyrie's probably not gonna come back Until January of 26 because he's coming coming suffered that knee injury. So him a D They got some I mean When you the number one pick Ocho expectations are there I don't care how long you can say okay a year two, three years, but the expectations are you're the number one pick. Excuse me. And when you're the number one pick, the expectation, you're supposed to be franchise altering. You're supposed to be generation. You're supposed to be damn, the transcendent.

You don't think that? I don't know, but I'm saying, I mean, when you think about it, ain't nobody say, oh, LeBron gonna be able to develop on his own timeline. Shaq will be able to develop on his own timeline. Kareem will be able to, Magic will be, that is not what they said. Allen Iverson will be able to develop on his own timeline. AD will be able to develop on his own timeline. That's not what they said.

So it's gonna be, yeah, no, I think he can play. I think he's sensational. Oh yeah. He think he's sensational. Oh yeah. He nice. Yeah. I mean, he's a big kid. Can shoot the ball, can put the ball on the floor. He gave the U S team all they can handle

when they were getting ready to gear up for the Olympics. So he's going against NBA talent. He's played at an elite program. He knows the expectations when you play out of that program, you're number one overall. So nothing is going to surprise him. Like, man, I ain't know they expected that for me. Yeah. You're number one overall pick.

And when you're no one overall pick, they have lofty, lofty, lofty expectations. Yeah. And, uh, and I, I believe he, I believe he can reach him. I do. Yeah. I think he, he's reach him. I do. Yeah, I think he gonna be all right. He gonna be all right. So he's always been that guy for a very long time. And just obviously his childhood dream

is making it to the NBA, being the number one overall pick. I don't think there's any pressure on him. At the end of the day, it's still basketball. And he's been playing and he's been doing it real well for a very long time. So this is what you wanted, now you got? Yeah, you've been doing it real well for a very long time. So this is what you wanted. Now you got it.

Yeah. You got to show why you're number one overall. It's just like in any sport. You got to show. I need to see why you're number one overall pick. I got to see why you're the first round draft pick. I got to see why you won the Thorpe Award or the Player of the Year, the Heisman Trophy, whatever the award is. We need to see it, man.

Yeah. Oh, OK. I see why you won that award. OK, you got that. You like to see it now. Yeah. Oh, okay. I see why you want that award. Okay. You got that. You like that. Okay. We good. Cause you know, the coach, you're like, Hey, what'd you think about the draft pick?

He can play. He can be good. I mean, once he figured out right now, he, you can see processing it. Once he get it down, yeah. Oh, he's gonna be, yeah, he could be on, he could be, you won't have to worry about it. Yeah. I mean, how many, how many, he could be, he could be, you won't have to worry about it. Yeah. I mean, how many times can you think? You could probably count on two hands,

or has it been more than two hands where a player's going number one and has been absolutely atrocious? In football or basketball? Basketball. Anthony Bennett? No, I said absolutely, like- Anthony Bennett, he was out of the league in a year.

Is that atrocious? What? Yeah. Well, God damn. That is what you ask. What year was this? Like the year LeBron left? 2013?

He's gotta be old, huh? 2013. There been a lot of guys at Ocho. He went number one? Number one. He was that good? Good and terrible. He was good enough to go number one and bad enough to be god of the league.

It must have been up here though. It had to be something mental. I don't know what it was. Who else? Michael Ola-Wakandi? Kwame? Greg Oden? Greg Oden was injury.

Yeah, Greg Oden. Greg Oden was injured. Yeah, Greg Oden needs, I remember that. Look, Kwame, I don't think Kwame was bad. He just, for whatever reason, he went to the wrong situation. He went to a situation where Jordan wanted a vet. And Jordan like, fuck you, he should know.

And there are things that Kwame didn't know. And there was no one there willing to teach him. Right. And so he didn't get,ame didn't know and there was no one there willing to teach it Right and so he didn't get he didn't get like if he went somewhere now that had that that had us Let's just say Kwame had gone to the Spurs Yes, sir, where they'll give guys they'll work with a guy give you an opportunity to grow. Uh-huh I mean sometimes you go on the team Oh Joe like you go to the Patriots the Patriots ain't giving nobody no time to grow. You come in as a first round pick,

just ish up and be ready to play. Right, that's it. And so I think that was the thing with Kwame. I think he went to the wrong place. He needed to go somewhere where they were gonna give the rookie, give a first round pick or a high draft pick an opportunity to mature, to grow. That ain't what Jordan, Jordan like,

I ain't got that kind of time, bro. And think about, he went where, then he goes to Kobe. You know Kobe, you know what Kobe on? He on the same stuff Jordan on. Yeah, that's two back to back. Okay, Marquez fault? Oh no, but he bounced back though. Foults, right? Yeah, Ocho. You do realize, like, when you're a No More No More pick, they expect you to be an All-MBA and All-Star.

Right. Oh yeah, Purvis. He grew up there. I mean, I know Purv personally. He's from Savannah. Went to Louisville, led him to a national championship as a freshman, beat Duke. Damn. Well, they call him never nervous, but then he stayed hurt so much they say out of service purpose. Man, you know how they do, man. You know, they be giving you a dig day.

But yeah, it's just expectations, Ocho. It would anything when you go first overall, cause Ocho ain't but one. Yeah. You the first, you the number one. Yeah. Baseball, you look at a guy like Josh Hamilton, had talent at the yin yang.

I watched him in the home run derby at an old Yankee stadium, hit it out the yin-yang. I watched him in the home run derby at old Yankee Stadium hit it out the stadium. Uh-huh But the demons got a hold of him Ocho and you know, even though he early on he got selected number one overall from the Rays he got a got tangled up. He got clean came back hit 350 wonder home run the wonder MVP They got him again. Oh Joe. Yeah. Now he, you know, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Once again, holy man. It's our everyday. Oh Joe, every day. Think about it. Oh Joe, you can be sober for 10 years straight. One time you have to drive by a bar, a package store every day for the rest of your life. Yeah.

Not turn around, not put the blinker on and go inside every day. You can't be around it. Yeah. If you were, if you were at that, Oh Joe, you at that, man, you can't go hang on the corner with your boys if you know what they do. Right. My grandfather used to always tell me and my brother, boy, association brings on assimilation.

You hang around people long enough, they're doing stuff, you would start to do it also. It's hard to run in that circle. It's hard to run in that circle. It's hard to run in that circle where people are doing things that you know aren't right and then you just walk away. Cause eventually like, shh, man, this is just one time. And that's the time to get you.

It's just that one time that you decide. So birds of a feather do flock together. Penguins and pigeons don't hang. That's what I'm saying. So you know a lot of the Ocho, you know, you with your boy, man. I've been fed up with knowing, man, being Ocho, man, we grew up in the sandbox. Right. I've been knowing Ocho, man, Ocho was 163rd and 5th.

Man, Ocho, man, I know his grandma. His grandma, my grandma go to church together. So it's that tie. Man, Ocho cool, man, own your crew. Man, own your good people. Yeah. That's why. Associate with someone long enough.

Mmm. Association brings on assimilation. I'm just thinking, and just hearing examples, just throughout life in general. You know, just, I'm not even speaking of hypotheticals, I'm just thinking and just just hearing examples just throughout life in general, you know, just I'm not even speaking hypotheticals I'm just saying why you see certain people hanging with certain individuals And then knowing well that ain't your company That's not the kind of company you need to be keeping because you know that you don't even rock like that

So why are you even associated with that? But Ocho I don't want to turn my back on you Ocho I've been knowing you man.cho, I've been knowing you, man. Ocho, I've been knowing you all my life. Right. Ocho, we went to church together. I'll still go. You don't go no more. But I'll still go. Hey.

Hey. So that's the problem that people were. What do you hear, Ocho? Yeah, he started hanging with that crowd. Yeah, yeah. And got it caught up in some foolishness, some bull jive that he shouldn't have been in. And all it takes is one, Ocho, all it takes is one time.

One time. That's how it always happened. That's it. Ocho, you know as an athlete, we don't think anything's gonna happen to us. We think we're invincible. We see stuff that happened out there in the real world and say, ain't no way it could never happen to me.

I'm proof. Yeah. An anonymous player on the Nuggets says Russell Westbrook is immature per Ramona Shelburne. According to Ramona's article she reported, minutes after the Nuggets lost game two in their first round series against the Clippers, Edelman had a problem. While he had been at post-game lectern, there had been a heated discussion

between Westbrook and Gordon in the locker room. Multiple sources told ESPN, Gordon had challenged Westbrook about his attitude outside the locker room. One player relayed why Gordon might've done so. He's so immature, he said to Westbrook. First, Russ' wife Nina came to defense on IG. Why the Nuggets title host might hinge on a volatile player

in the NBA? You should be ashamed, volatile? You should be ashamed for so many reasons. I'll let you decipher them. Jay Williams doesn't wanna hear excuses for Nicole Yocasich. That's... Oh, who said, oh, this is what she wrote? At Ramona Shalbert ESPN, dirty work when put on Ramona.

How could you share and spread so many lies randomly for no reason and with such conviction, you're using his name for clickbait during the playoffs, which is ridiculous. Trust me, I know the facts about every, about literally everything. Normally I let you guys tell your silly lies. In peace, enough already.

Stop with the lies, go Nuggets. Hey, I, you know players do get into it all the time. You know that. They do, they do. I'm not sure why, why is this even, why is this even nudes? Okay, there's a disagreement. Okay, I don't, I don't, I don't like the way you act sometimes.

I mean, that's just, that's lunch. That's pork. For people that have never been a part of a locker room or any type of organized activity, this happens all the goddamn time. Yeah. Even nudes. Uh-huh

Hell shit, I'm sure some time Carson didn't like some of the stuff I did Coach Lewis didn't like some of the stuff. I did. What did they tell me? Hey, well, I don't like that But I need you to chill a little bit shit big Willie Big Willie told me stop talking to the demons of linemen and TV timeouts. You don't have to deal with them. I said, hey, Big Willie, she can be that big with you. I'm just talking shit. He said, yeah, you're talking trash, but we got to block them. Yeah, you talking to trash the people you ain't got to block. So I'm like, okay, okay. I get it. There was something that, I mean, it happens.

You have, you know, little riff raffs and okay. They got into it. So what? Yeah. I, I've been very fortunate to be in locker rooms where stuff didn't get out. Um, I think now, you know, I don't know if people pill or talk. I don't know. Everybody in Chattie Patty, boy.

Everybody in Chattie Patty. They can't wait. And it's a certain player that knows all the goddamn reporters and always want to leak some stuff. Yeah. Oh, it always comes from somebody inside the house. Yeah. Cause I was, look, that's one thing.

How was work? It was work. I mean, what we practice, we met, we practice. Oh, such as such calling says, I said, I don't know nothing about that. And I don't go no further. I know somebody called you and said this, but don't you call somebody else and say that. Right.

Cause I don't want that ish coming up because at the end of the day, you are representation of me. Keep your mouth closed. What somebody else got going on that ain't got ish to do with you. You worry about this house, right? All that other stuff that's going on out there that ain't got nothing to do with you. What did you, I don't know about nothing.

It ain't my business to know. It's my business to know Shannon's business and what goes on here. What you doing? That's my business. All that other stuff what they're doing. I let them worry about that because I can't control the house. I ain't in their house. So I don't know what you're talking about.

What he said was she I don't see that. That's the problem right there. He said and now, she, I don't see that. That's the problem right there. He said, and now you repeating it. I don't get down like that. I don't hear nothing about what going on in somebody else's house. If it's not football related. I ain't got nothing to do with it, huh?

Yeah, I'm like, hey, bro. All I'm saying, I ain't gonna go, hey, you need to tighten your screws down a little bit. You a little loose out here. Man, Sharp, what you mean, what you mean? Hey, Sharp don't go out, but if Sharp know, how did he know? Okay, yeah, so I'm gonna go, okay, okay, you right,

you right, you right, you right, okay, that's so I'm gonna go. Okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. That's all I'm saying Cuz I'm telling you, you know The I don't know how you do it wherever you were but my king will play that might get rid of your ass. Yeah quick quick quick Quick so anything that's gonna that's gonna take your focus away from from from from winning ballgames right not being attended you know um look here that's one thing hey you came to work at a when you went to Dove Valley

Bronco Parkway apart you went to work. All that other stuff and, cause I, see I try to warn them. Cause we had to see, we were the first team to have cameras throughout the whole building. Yeah. In meeting rooms, big meeting rooms, training. I said, y'all do know, y'all run out of here y'all get on the

phone y'all run out of here and you get on yourself okay hey hey hey hey listen I'm lay I'm lamb lamb because I'm guilty boy. Hey you are the bold people like okay. That's what my grandma, my grandma. Just for nod huh. Hey anyway you brought back some memories boy. You brought back memories. Ocho.

Yeah. For that time. Yes sir. I didn't have to be, I wasn't on special team, but on Friday. So Friday, they were like, hey, and special teams coach would always say, hey, we're gonna do hands team, so don't worry about it. We'll go over it, just be out there,

I'm gonna feel blah, blah, blah. Right. So I didn't really have to get to meetings till nine o'clock. But anyway, okay, we got a break. So we got the big meeting, Mike, we got the big thing, and then we gonna break up and the defense go in the area, offense stays here.

And then after the offense, we gonna be, okay, we got a 10 minute break because we gonna break up an individual. We got the tight ends, the running backs, the wide receivers. Yeah. ["Sweet Home Remix"] Man, Sharp, man, you ain't never on the phone, man. You, I mean, damn. I said, let me ask you a question.

Where you think my girl think I'm at? Hmm. What do you think I think she's at? Cause see, y'all calling to check up. If I gotta do that, I gotta get me a new girl. I don't call to check up on you. Yeah. You don't call to check up on me. As a matter of fact, my phone was off. Now, if something like, look, my phone was off. My nephew passed.

They called, my sister called the Broncos. My phone was off. Mrs. Shannon, such and such, Mike need to see you. Damn. Became, I went, I said, yo, what's up, Mike? Say, your nephew passed. Damn. It came, I went, I said, yo, what's up, Mike? Say, uh, your nephew passed. Oh, so your sister says she's been trying to get in touch with you.

I said, okay. I called her. Called her. She said, she had my baby gone. She's like, all right, I'll be there. I went, I said, Mike, I gotta go. I said, all right, just let me know when you coming back. I went home, took care of my sister, got that situated.

Yeah. I came back with like a Saturday. I got back that, thing done Wednesday. Right. I'm all business, bro. When I'm at work, I'm at work. I ain't talking to nobody on the phone.

I ain't doing all that stuff. I do all this, hey. And, nah, I'm at work. I ain't talking to nobody on the phone. I ain't doing all that stuff. I do all that stuff, hey. And now I talk, you know, cause it was two hours difference in time. So I'm going to work. I might call my sister or once I got done with work before it got too late, cause you know, it's already, you know, seven o'clock,

my grandma going to bed. If I wanted to talk to my granny, I let him put granny on the phone right quick. But other than that, no, I ain't about that. All that talking and like, I'm at work, Coachell, put Granny on the phone right quick. But other than that, no, I ain't about all that talking. And like, I'm at work, Coach, yo, what am I doing at work? Yeah, way, boy, you better than me, boy. We got two different approaches, boy.

Hey, listen, when we lead that big team meeting and we got that like that 10 minute break before we go to the office and meet. Yeah. I'm on that phone, boy. I'm just gonna be honest with y'all. Oh, I know, you the A. Yeah, I'm scrolling to it. I'm scrolling, you know, because this toward toward the end. You know, I got Twitter by that time,

2008, 2009, 2010. Man, I'm all on it, man. I'm having a good time, you know, sending my tweets out and boom, I'm going to a meeting. Now, I don't take my phone with me to the meetings, but once I hit that meeting room, I'm going to a meeting now. I don't take my phone with me to the meetings But once I hit that meeting room, well, I'm strictly business. Well, you know, yeah I never took I never took a phone to me to get a boy when that when we got that break. Oh, well Yes, now, you know how black folks. Well, let me get a break. Well, we break. Oh, yeah. Hey, I Play well, you give me a break. I'm going to Joan Huh? I'm going to Joan. I'm John ragging on somebody. That's what I'm going to Joan. Huh? I'm going to Joan. I'm ragging on somebody that's what I'm going to do. Okay okay okay. That's what we're going to do. Ben Austin Rivers said

cut the BS and name your swords when speaking on another player's character. Let's take a listen to what he had to say Ocho. Yeah. Hey listen man y'all kill me with this anonymous s*** seriously. Y'all kill me with this anonymous s***. Seriously. No more of that. I don't want any more people talking about they heard such and such about a player due to an anonymous source. Or I heard, this guy wants out or he wants to be traded.

He wants to be signed here. He's unhappy. I heard that guy's not a pleasure to work around so it's an anonymous source. Enough of that anonymous s***. If you're gonna speak on a player's character, you're all going to come out here and talk about a player's personal, you know, life and certain things about them, either say it with your chest and say that you feel this way, or if you're

going to quote somebody else, say their damn name. I'm tired of the anonymous. That's never going to happen because if you did that, you would never get any information. Well, how about, how about not having to get information and the people that have something to say actually come out and say it. If you don't like something, just come out and say it. It's pretty simple.

I think it's like keyboard warriors. People on Twitter talking trash and you know you can't get to them so they say whatever they want to because they know it's the internet. I think, you know, for media or analysts or pundits that have issues with players or players having an issue with analysts or players having a big issue with players. I think we need to be like I told y'all. We need to start just telling the truth. Just being honest, just being upfront.

One of the biggest, I think, I think we'll make the world a better place. Do you know one of the biggest stories in American history with an anonymous source? Have you ever heard of water gate? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watergate, Watergate, Watergate. You know that started with anonymous source, right? Can you imagine had that anonymous source hadn't stepped up? What would have happened?

Can you imagine, can you possibly fathom what the CIA was doing with those taps to Dr. King? Can you imagine? Yeah. I ran contra, I mean, did that ring a bell or anything? Did you realize if it not for whistleblowers and anonymous source, you would have never known nicotine was addictive

and they was putting it in your tobacco and cigarettes and chewing tobacco for the longest time if it wasn't from an anonymous source. And the Tuskegee study. So be careful when you tell people to shut up because they, oh, can you imagine if people never said a word, what kind of predicament we would be in? Mm-hmm.

Are we sure? And I get it, I get it, you speaking this, I get it. But are you sure that's what you want? Yeah, I mean, listen, they would never be quiet anyway, because people can't hold water. People can't hold water. They just can't. I think in certain situations they should.

Look, I get it. But this has been going, they make it seem like it's like an anonymous source just happened in the last five years. Right. Do they understand? First of all, it used to be a situation where the reporters would never tell what a player was doing. And they understand? First of all, it used to be a situation where reporters would never tell what a

player was doing. And they saw. It used to be, you know what? Hey, I saw that. Hey, you see me, I see you. Keep it moving. And it's not like that anymore, Ojo. It's not. Because everybody, everybody, see the thing is now it's not about being right, Ojo. It's not. Because everybody, see the thing is now,

it's not about being right, it's about being first. Mm, that's a good one. I gotta be first to get this story, oh, it's competition. Yeah, just in case I am right. Yeah, do you understand how much money these networks play for these insiders? Yeah.

That's why they can't turn their phone off. Even Chef to do an interview, phone going out, I gotta take this call, I gotta step away. See, people, see, you mad at the person that's delivering the information. You not mad at the person that told. Y'all think, how many times has the Battlesheft have been wrong?

When you say a trade's gonna happen, a coach is about to be fired, or somebody's about to do this. You right. When these basketball reporters, and they talk about, A, LeBron James gonna leave Cleveland, and LeBron James gonna leave Miami, and LeBron James gonna leave Miami and LeBron James gonna leave Cleveland

and Kevin Durant leaving the OKC. Yeah. Hey, how many times, think about it. Everything I've said, how many times I've been wrong? At this point in time for me, Ochoa, I just don't say anything. Yeah. I just say it and just walk away.

Because if I say something, they going to know. I'll let them discredit me. Well, you don't know you're not in the locker room. OK. People might say I talk a lot, but they don't say I don't know what I'm talking about. But that's not my job. My job is not to break news. I don't get paid for that.

I don't get paid. I'm not an insider. I don't get paid for that. But I do like to get information. So when I go on air and I talk about something, or I come over here and talk about something, I feel very, very confident that people are gonna refute what I say. Right. Hey it did pay it pays to know it's it pays to know the right people. It does.

Never never never burn no bridges huh you never know you need people. I would never give I don't give a damn if they got me in the court of law. I ain't telling. Right. That person gave me that information. Right. It's going to my grave. Mm-hmm. Hey, off the record, off the record, off the record. Bro. Put it in your words the record. Bro.

Put it in your words. Right. Gotcha. Done deal. But the anonymous sources are not gonna go away. No, it never will. It's been around for a long time. No, but people wanna know, Ocho. People wanna know. Yeah. People wanna know. Man, I wonder. What? People want to know.

Yeah. People want to know. Man, I wonder what Yonis is going to do. Now, the Yonis watch is on. Who going to make a deal? Who's interested in Yonis? Where does your Yonis want to go? He?

That might be the case. I told you. But people, people going to want to know. And not when he, not when, Ocho you. But people gonna wanna know. And not when he's not, oh Joe, I don't wanna know. Hell, I don't wanna know what old sentence drop it tomorrow. Nah, I need some previews.

I need somebody talking about it like a week or month in advance. And let me get a little trailer too while you're at it. Yes. That's how it works. But I get lost in That's how it works. But I get lost in that, you know, they're talking about Russ. Look, for me, I don't think this is not the first time

that people have said stuff about Russ. Russ is used to it now. And his wife, Nina, has every right to defend her husband. I ain't got no problem either way. And funny thing about Russ, boy, but Russ don't give two you know what. He shouldn't. He don't care.

He ever respond to you when he get ready though. He don't give two you know what. Yeah, exactly. So look, I mean, that's not like earth shattering news. Look, Russ has, you know, his personality is, you know, sometimes comes off as abrasive, but that doesn't take away from the fact he's one of the 75 greatest players that would play in the NBA.

Y'all, everybody want everybody to get along. There are different, I mean, people have different personalities. And when you bring, I don't care. Hell, you don't even get along, everybody don't get along with their own family. You think I'm gonna get along with somebody that I don't know that from a different background,

different state, different socioeconomics or whatever? That's just the way it is, Ocho. That's why it's so hard to win. Because no matter what, Ocho, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, a Jehovah's Witness, Muslim, whatever the case, Judaism, whatever the case may be, whatever the case may be. Right.

We got a common goal. So I gotta take all these different religions, all these socio-economic backgrounds. Yeah. I gotta take all these different personalities. I gotta take all these, you know, orientations of whatever the case may be. And I gotta have one common goal.

Yeah? One. It ain't easy. Nah. Cause think about, you get your family, you got a family of five. Get everybody to agree to what y'all wanna eat tonight. Shh, man, good luck with that.

And you think you about to get 53 players or you about to get 15 players or your baseball 29 players to agree and everybody get along. No, it ain't gonna happen. Not even realistic. Common goal, all I want, you wanna win? That's all I care about.

All that other stuff, Ocho, I don't care about, I don't care about none of that until it starts to impact winning. Yeah. Bro, I don't care. That's your life. You live it. You good with it.

If you like it, I love it. All I want to do is all I want to know is that you want to win. That's it. The Volume. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.