Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder Eliminate Nuggets + Justina Valentine ROASTS Ocho

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder eliminating Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets in the NBA Playoffs. Later, Justina Valentine joins to talk her journey in hip-hop and roast Ocho.01:47 - Intro04:00 - Thunder Eliminate Nuggets57:12 - Justina Valentine joins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They did something we hadn't seen in a very long time. I don't think I've seen it since high school. They played a boxing one. They played zone all across the court and they said, Alex Caruso, we want you to ignore the hell out of Jokic. And he did an unbelievable job because in 26 minutes, he was plus 40.

He gave you 11 points, five or seven from the field, one of three from the three-point line. He has three assists, three steals, plus 40 in 26 minutes of action. Um, and I don't think you can get any more than what they, what they, he gave them everything they thought they would get from him. He's always been known as a defender.

Now he's added a little offense to his game. Joe, watching this game, I thought the Nuggets came out really, really well, but you kind of saw towards the end of that first quarter, they started turning the ball over. And when you turn the ball over against a team that got young legs, they get out on you in transition and they turned those turnovers into points. And I thought they really flipped the game late in the first quarter and then they carried it all over into the second quarter. When you watch this game, I mean you probably thought like I was they're like okay Nuggets came to play today Aaron Gordon's sucking it up knowing that hamstring is bad you could tell the way he was moving it's really

and it really inhibited what he was able to do. What you like about what you saw from the Thunder was they seized control of this ball game late in the first quarter. I mean that first quarter was exciting, but it made me a little nervous for okay, see, because you know, Denver came out with it on their mind, but what? Not, but when I was sitting there watching the game, I'm like, is Brian going to win the game for him? Uh, because he got off to a great start as far as get some easy buggy he got going, but I said, that ain't gonna last long. You know what I mean?

And then I'm watching Gordon run up and down the court. Ain't no way they supposed to let him off the hook, man. He supposed to put him in pick and roll before they get into their zone. You got to make him work, make him move them. Yes. He couldn't get up and down that floor, I can't, Ocho. So, for me, I thought OKC came out and done their thing.

They took care of game seven. When they finally did get a hold of the game, I felt like they put their foot in the gas and they just, they kept going. They didn't let up. And it's good to see that young team come out, take care of home court, because I'm gonna be honest with y'all.

I don't know about y'all, but I don't want to see a Hobbled Denver team going in. But you know, he was. So, no. I'm glad OKC handled business. It was a great game. I'm glad to see handle business. It was it was a great game I'm glad to see that they came out and they took care of business at home Hey, yeah, I go ahead. Oh Joe. I was gonna say listen the cream orage rise at the top

Especially the game of this magnitude is game seven So you want you want the MVP to come up to show out when it matters most with your back against the wall I've said lost the previous game in Denver, but FGA came out. He delivered the biggest moment of his career. Obviously took the date. I'm sure there would be more to come. 35-12 for 19. Shoot. He was unstoppable. He took advantage of all the mismatches. He tossed the goddamn Denver drop coverage. See, in the closeout. See, see y'all I'm learning that. I see, I see. You hear my lingo? I hear it. I hear it. He was efficient and he was able to control Denver's crowd very early.

Well, I think the thing also, Joe, is that you can tell Denver's not used to playing a zone. Because they kept giving up backdoor lobs. They kept giving up the backdoor. They kept giving the ball up, giving it up in the post. And then now the guy turns around, he got guys wide open for threes. And they didn't know how to turn and put bodies on bodies to keep people off the offensive glass. So now you see, okay, see getting offensive rebounds. Now you see them getting easy put backs

because you're not, you know, you're gonna play a zone like, okay, we're gonna play this zone. You work on a little bit and shoot around. And you might hit it five or six times, you know, five or six minutes. But that's not what you normally do. It's just a change up, you try to throw the team off their rhythm.

And you can tell they're not used to playing the zone because they gave up so many lives. They gave up the ball to the, the one thing you don't want to do in a zone is give the ball up in the middle. Right. I have a question. Yeah, go ahead.

And then, and Joe, y'all could probably attest to this and answer it better than me. Why would you change up what you're doing in game seven defensively? Why would you even run zone when that's something you really haven't been doing much of when you had success doing what you already been doing previously? Because we're trying to protect Aaron Gordon because we know he can't move. He can't move laterally. So we got to try to protect him. And so we're trying to protect him and we're trying to give them something different than what they're used to.

Let's see if they can make some shots outside. But because that's not something that is not like Syracuse, you play Syracuse, Jim Bayhine, you're going to see that two, three zone. And you might get you might get man to man late in the game because they're trying to get steals. But other than that, you will see two, three. That's what they do. So you understand that. So now I'm just trying to change up the look, Ocho.

You know, hey, we're a couple single high safety team. But you know what, to give you a different look, we might sprinkle a little quarters in there. We might sprinkle a little cover too. But that ain't really what we do. Right, right. Hey, look, that's not what Denver does. Go ahead, Ocho.

I'm not mad at Denver for throwing the zone in. I thought they created... I thought they created some indecision on the Thunder Park early. You know, they couldn't make shots, and then they start forcing to the hole, they was making layups. So I think it flustered them a little bit, but once they kind of got the hang of it,

they just, they demolished it. They started making shots, they started getting into the teeth of the defense, and it was a wrap from there. You know, they basically seized the moment, man. They took care of this game early This wasn't close, you know considering by the second quarter. I mean you could tell it was gonna be pretty much over Yeah, it's too many turnovers

Yeah, you know look in a game of this magnitude I'm gonna let you go jump in a game of this magnitude of game seven or an NFL playoff game You cannot turn the basketball over you can't turn the football over you play double and you turn Think about where they're turning the ball over. They're turning the ball over high Joe. So now you got a two on one They lay in the ball. Oh, they fast-breaking they every gas. Yes They were turning them turnovers in the points. Yeah quickly and Denver What guys hobbled, you know, they don't have they didn't have enough firepower to come back on the road in the game seven, man.

They needed Jamal Murray to play great. They needed to play unbelievable. They needed, they needed contributions for a lot from a lot of different people. And they just didn't get it, man. They didn't get it. Hey, listen, we also have to do, we talk about what they did offensively.

Now they had 22 turn, they had 22 turnovers, right? You had six weeks on. Aaron Gordon had for Jamal Murray, supposed to have an out of body experience, you know, with Aaron Gordon being down, but he only had got damn 13. And then also the Thunder, they supplicated Joker, Joker, Joker. Yes. They supplicated him. They went and crowded with bodies. Man, listen, he had 20, he had 28, 9, but obviously that wasn't enough. There had to be somewhere else where points needed to come from. And by the time, listen, honestly, when I watched the game, the way they came out,

the way Denver came out, I really thought they was going to run away with the game. Me too. I thought they were going to run away with the game. And by the time it got toward the end of the first, I said, you know what, man, this is over. Now I understand the game of basketball is a game of runs. I've come to learn that now. Yeah. Man, this is over now. I understand the game of basketball. It's a game of runs I've come to learn that now. Yeah, man once they got that far ahead

There was no way you know, if she was allowing them boys to come back. Yeah No, you can plus look at yoke. He only had five shot attempt. I mean nine shot attempts Yeah, so in order for him you need you needed him to be somewhere in the 20s You wouldn't have been disappointed if he had 25 shot attempts You wouldn't have been disappointed in Murray had 25 shot attempts, you wouldn't have been disappointed with Murray. Now you'd like to have Murray has 16, but you'd like to be in a little bit of more efficient, but the one thing, the most disappointing thing, this series was Michael Porter, Jr.

I understand he's injured, but bro, if you can't give us any more than that, bro, you got to sit down. Cause he's given us nothing. But they should have known that from jump. If you haven't, that they played six games previously for this one If you know MPJ and give you nothing since then why not change it up? Hell you did it defensively, you know to try to hide Aaron Gordon So he doesn't have to do much on the floor. So why are Westbrook?

And the plus and plus also why would you let my why would you let Gordon bring the ball up? He got an injured hamstring you see what they they try to do? Like, see what they would try to do? They would body him and then move out the way. He start stumbling, lose the ball, he gonna foul. No, bro, you ain't got no balance. Because your body knows. Your body gonna protect that hamstring. You feel that breakaway?

He started running like, nah, y'all go ahead and go. But he... I mean, grade two, grade two. Hey, he, hey, look, I applaud him just for even suing up and getting out. Yes, yes. There was no grade two, man, but I wanna get OKC Thunder, I wanna get OKC Thunder credit

because Alex Caruso, he fought, man. Hey, oh, yes, that man, that man ain't but what, 6'3", 6'4", Gar and Jokic, he just battling him, wearing him down, making him take tough shots, not letting him blow by him and get easy points. And I thought it worked out great, man. I got a lot of respect for Caruso

and the fight that he had in this game today. I thought he battled him and made him tired. Because he'd be on one side and Jokic feeling, I'm back over here. And you feel him over here and I'm, no, I'm back behind you. So he was always in a situation where he's making Yohkich work for everything that he's getting. Now when he does get the ball, here come Chet, here come Dort,

here come guys corralling him. Sit down. Come, sit. And now they're corralling him and putting so much pressure on it, and no, he tried to throw the ball out. It's gone. He turned it over. He turned the ball.

Like you said, uh, Ocho, uh, he had a Gordon had four turnovers. Yokey Chad five. Russ had, Russ had a four. I thought kind of Russ turnover was like the end of the first. I kind of thought that got the thunder out and running because he came in and gave you two quick turnovers right quick. And it was up 10 and all of a sudden it's a four point it's a six point ball game and now they've got momentum. Titus. Sit. And now they've got momentum and that's

what in the road you know Ocho and Joe when you go on the road and you play on a team building you cannot turn the ball over because you're gonna get the crowd into the game and as long as you can keep the crowd at base the better your chances are winning once that crowd got into the game. And as long as you can keep the crowd at base, the better your chances are winning. Once that crowd got into the game, Edelman started to start burning those time out. Give me a time out. But damn, I just took one, two minutes ago, guys. Just slow it down. And then they turn it on again. And now they out the gate.

And listen, it don't make it no better. Hell, all five Thunderstarters finished with a plus 24 or better, right? And the guys on the bench, they gave you 34 on the bench and kept the energy high all game So not only is the crowd into it hell everybody sitting on the bench getting into the game plus the starters was out there cutting the food Yeah, hey, you got wallace gave him big big wallace gave him big minutes. He gave him 29. He plus 38 wig is 19 He gave you plus he gave you uh 19 minutes. He plus 19. Caruso in only 26 minutes, he's plus 40. I thought if it had to be an MVP, no, look, Shea is Shea.

Shea did what I thought Shea would do. But I thought it was Caruso's hounding of Jokic. Force him in the turnover, making him take quick shots because he had one, he got the ball, he forced it up quick, he got the rebound, he put it up under, and they took it from him. And so I thought Caruso played really well and Shay being Shay, Shay's the MVP, but I thought that game seven MVP

might have been Alex Caruso. Yeah I thought collectively as a team they all done a great job in corralling and making it tough, but man Denver just came out of game seven. Like there's two game sevens, you know what I mean? That's a lot of work, Arkan Ocho. You know what I mean? Yes. And this game of basketball, man, is for them young leagues, bro.

And the OKC came and they brought it and they wore them guys down. Guys started breaking down throughout the series and they took advantage of it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I just thought about something. Hold on, I just thought about something. I could have swore, I could have swore we had a bet on the game seven, didn't we?

Did we not make a light little bet, Joe? You must be talking to, uh. Did we make a light little bet on the game seven? Man, you saw, I was the one that brought it to your attention that Goran was rubbing that left hamstring. I said I want no part it to your attention that girl was rubbing that head that left hamstring I want no part of that. So that one you so that obviously Joe Joe that matter No, it wasn't me now. We're going for okay see Okay, that's okay. Okay. We did agree. We did agree with SGA. Oh, I'm pulling it out for game seven, right?

But we got but we wait we got something coming up now this Western Conference finals now We talk to me now. Don't listen don't, don't, whatever you do, don't be on the wrong side of history. Don't be on the wrong side of history. So who you got? I'm going with Ant-Man. I was finna say that, man. Are you on OKC?

You look like you on the OKC. And I'm, man, Ant-Man is basically me reincarnated, but he just on the basketball court. What you talking about? I talk about on the just on the basketball court. What you talking about? I talk about on the court and off the court. What's the difference? Man, listen, I got the T-Wool. You can take, uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Okay. I'm giving you the Knicks. I'm giving you the Knicks. So I'm taking the boat. Oh, the Nick. Listen, I'm going to tell you right now. Listen, I already got the script. I'm not going to tell you.

I'm I taught Adam Silver, right? The Knicks are going to be in the finals no matter what. Cause Bill's gotta be paid. Uncle, you don't hear me, huh? They got a good chance. I hear you. Bill's got to be paid. Commercials, sponsorships, endorsements.

They don't need to, they're not gonna allow a small market to be in the finals. So I'm telling you right now, put your money, everybody in the cap, put your money on the tickets. Well, not two small markets. Cause everybody's small market other than Knicks. Okay, so what, you. So I'm telling you right now, everybody's not too small markets cause everybody's small market other than Nick. Okay. So what you see that I'm trying,

are you picking up what I'm putting down? Yeah. All right. Highest plus minus off the bench in a game seven this century, Alex Caruso plus 40, Wallace Carson Wallace plus 38, Monty Janobly plus 32. Those are the highest plus minuses off the bench

this century in a game seven. Like I said, I thought Alistair Russo, I've always liked Alistair Russo when he was at the Lakers. He did all the dirty work. He and LeBron played really, really well together, just like LeBron and Kobe are the Ozarks. Yeah. At Reeves, Austin Reeves, they play really well together.

Very high IQ, very high IQ ballplayers. Neither one of those guys, Reeves or Caruso, are the most physically gifted. They're not 6'9". They don't have this imposing body. They just do all the things right. Caruso's gonna be where he's supposed to be. He's gonna take the charges. He's gonna block the shot. He's gonna steal the ball. He's gonna do

all the nasty work that sometimes doesn't show up in the box score. But coaches and teammates really appreciate the effort because they know he's gonna give you the effort. The same thing. I think Caruso is more of a defensive guy. Austin Reeves more of an offensive guy. Caruso can score. He can't score like Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves, we've seen Austin Reeves go get you 40 points in the game. He averaged 20. He averaged 20 this year, 25 and 5. Hey, can I tell you something about Reeves? Yeah. You know you could tell certain individuals by their style of playing,

the way they play and the way they produce he grew up with us Oh, yeah I'm just saying without having without I'm not gonna say it the right way, but he grew up with us He grew up playing with us. Yeah, that's where you get that from Yeah, but I'm gonna leave I'm gonna leave that that go ahead. Hey, I think Caruso and Wallace Obviously played a huge role in today's win. They didn't, they didn't wow you as far as points, but they're, them being

disruptive on the defensive end, which allowed them to kind of get out. I mean, they, they both, I thought they'd done a great job defensively, three steals, two steals, they were very, very effective defensively, which kind of got OKC out and got them out and got them some easy buckets. This is going to be the next series for OKC is going to be a special one, man, because I think your role players are going to play a major factor in this. Oh, Joe. Yeah. I mean, because the bench, the bench role players had nine of the 16 steals.

Yeah. So when you look at it, you look, you mentioned you had Caruso. He had three steals. You had Wallace, he had two steals. So that's five of the 16 between those two guys. And that's what flipped the game around. Because now all of a sudden they started playing passing lanes. All of a sudden they started getting deflections. And so now, and when they're, where they're getting those deflections, hey, it's two, two, three dribbles and I'm laying the ball up.

Yeah. Yeah. It ain't no at the baseline, I'm getting steal at the baseline. No, I'm getting steals, you know, I'm playing pass lane. I mean, think about it. They got a couple of steals. Lou Dork did a great job of pulling the chair from under Gordon at the half court.

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Like I said, he doesn't wow you offensively, but you really appreciate the things that he do defensively because you know that is really, that's contagious. That's effort. You know that guy, he's like, hey, I know my job. And there's nothing more than a guy that knows his job. If you work in the mail room, hey, make sure the mail's sorted.

Hey, make sure, hey, my mail is in my box. Ash mail is in her box. Jordan mail that day. Man, why is Jordan mail in my box? You got one job. Yeah, it is. Hey, everybody has a job. Everybody has a responsibility.

And when everybody accepts their job, accepts their responsibility and do that to the highest level. Yes, sir. I don't need you to be a CEO because sometimes, you know, you get people on OK, we need to try to be the CEO and all we need is cashiers and sometimes we don't need cashiers. We just need a janitor. Right. I like that. I like that. But listen, I don't mean to be off topic, right?

But I just want to make sure I'm trying to keep the main thing the main thing. And I want to get this now in the East, who you got in the East? Who me? Yeah, who you got in the East? I'm gonna go with Bronson. Okay, you're going with the Knicks. So that's a smart choice. Now we got the Wolves and we got a Thunder.

Who you taking? Man, I gotta go with the home team. I gotta go with Ant-Man. Ant-Man from Georgia. Hey, you're a smart man. Now, Joe, I'm coming to you, Joe. Now I got my pad out right now. So I'm gonna write everything down now. So can't nobody renege.

So Joe, who you got out the East? I told you, man. I'm gonna take Indiana for the- Oh, so you're gonna take Indiana. So now that you're taking Indiana, right? Make it light on yourself, man. Okay. How much we talking?

How much we betting? I'm trying to write it down right now. We can bet that little friendly honey back. We can bet that little friendly honey back. Honey, you ain't even sick. You ain't sick with me to honey, you owe me. Yeah, no, I got you. I got you, I'm gonna send over there to you.

That's a little friendly honey. We ain't trying to, you done laid rough on those feathers and that. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Don't make me do nothing to you. That's a little friendly, honey. We ain't trying to, you know what I mean? Ruffing those feathers and that. Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Don't make me do nothing to you, Joe. Why you want to do something to somebody and I ain't doing nothing to you? Hold on, hold on, hold on.

You want to get at me over a hundred, but you owe somebody $5,200. But listen, listen. I owe on $5,200, right? But no, he going to get that $5,200. But listen. There ain't no problem. I owe him $5,200, right? But no, he don't get that $5,200, because I put it aside. How I know that? Huh?

I told you I'ma pay you. But Joe, Joe bet me, right? Joe bet me, but Joe is not, he's not. It's been two weeks, you ain't sent my money yet. What? Boy, it's been six months and you ain't paid me nothing. I know, but listen, you and I, we different. I got you, bro. I got your own trail.

Hey, all right, listen, yo, I don't want to have to do nothing to you, boy. I can trust you. I told you, I told you what they call me. They call me Hella Hands. I don't want to have to put nothing on you. All right, okay. Ocho, you know I'm doing bad right now, Ocho. I don't want I want to put none on you. All right. OK. I mean, well, I don't know. You know, I'm doing bad right now. Oh, I can really use that. Fifty two. Hey, listen, whatever you need now.

Listen, it ain't got to be 50 to now. You're limited. 500 now. You just tell me. Well, let me find 500. Yeah. 500 grand. I got you. I got you. You can't go 500 because I can't make that back up. So if you need, I'm going to go away. I think I think I think I'll be OK for the up. So if you need, I'm going to call the wait.

I think I'm going to be okay for the time being. Okay, oh, matter of fact, hey, hey, huh? Hey, Joe, boy, guess where I'm at, boy? Where? Boy, I'm in Houston still. Oh, Lord. Now, listen, listen, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now.

They told me two days ago, you can leave Houston any day you want to, but you can't leave on Sunday. That's what I heard. What's going on on Sunday? I don't know, they call it Sunday Fun Day. So I'm at the cigar bar, I'm at the den on Almeida, right? And then they say after I do the show, they taking me to area 29. I don't know what area 29 is, I never been there.

I heard the area 51. I know where they keep the aliens and stuff. So I'm going to area 29 after that. Right now I'm at the den. Hey, I was out here at the den yesterday for seven hours. I heard some of the greatest stories of all time. Scarface was out here and um, Joey. Funny that you say that. I just got off the phone with face and he told my man Hey, man, you need to come out here and break bread with me. We can go work, you know, we can go play gossip

I don't play no golf. You don't play golf No, I don't play none either. But hey, if you I know you don't like coming to Houston I don't like coming either. I come once every six months. We got to come to the den. Oh you smoke, right? No, but they got they got the La Portier in here though. They do? Yeah, man! That's what I'm talking about, man. People supporting you all over the world, man. You global.

Hey. I was about to be on the pipe. Joe, you come to use it? I was about to smoke. I was about to start smoking. I ain't been out... Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Hey, you shine out, man. No, you got to, we got to have a fellow trip. We got to have a fellow trip. Joe, you smoke cigars?

I ain't no cigar smoker. You gonna smoke with me? We gonna come to the gym. We gonna put chairs out on the sidewalk. We gonna people watch as the people go by on a Sunday. I'm telling you, you don't want to miss it. I like the people watch now. Yeah, yeah, I'm telling you. I like the people watch too, Ocho. Hey, um, Sunday. I'm telling you don't want to miss it. I like the people wise now

I like the people wise to watch oh Hey Yeah, listen for me. I mean, I'm gonna be in my home. I tell you what I just want you to hold it up. Just hold the video up Yeah, i'm gonna be in my room and just have the camera pointed out so I can see the people walking Hey, hey joe. I listen I've been here two days, right? The graduation was yesterday. For me, it's like being at the zoo, and I mean this in a respectful way.

It's like being at this zoo, but ain't nothing caged in. Ain't nothing caged in. They just run a while everywhere. Joe is a beautiful psych. Now my eyes work, right? Right. Ain't nothing wrong with my eyes. I'm very disciplined. You see? You know, cause I'm finna get, you see that on my finger? I'm finna get married now. So I'm real disciplined, right? So this is good for me to be-

To be- Get it out your system, Ocho. Get it out your system. Yeah, hold on. See, I'm an amoeba. You know, an amoeba, you can put it in any environment and he can adapt. Yeah. OK, so that's what I've done. I'm adapting, but I'm adapting while still having discipline and structure. Yeah. That I got a nice foundation and home to be alone. I hear you. You feel me?

Yeah. Now I am a priest to you. OK, yeah. Yeah. I want to touch that. But anyway, OK priest to you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to touch that. But anyway, okay. See you in Josh Giddy. There was a trade that happened last off season. Alex Caruso for Josh Giddy.

Me, personally, I think the trade benefited both guys. Josh Giddy needed to be a place where he needed to have a ball. He was never going to be the player that he was that he can become because Shays going to have the ball in his hand. He needs to go that predominantly he's going to have the ball. So I thought it was a great move for Chicago. I thought it was a great move for OKC. Caruso is a guy, Hey, I can just focus on defense.

Hey, I get a little score and I get a little 10 piece here and there. But my job is to play the passing lane, get deflections, defend at a high level, Hey, I can just focus on defense. Hey, I can get a little scoring. I can get a little 10 piece here and there. But my job is to play the passing lane, get deflections, defend at a high level, draw charges. I thought the trade worked out for both of them. I can't, it's hard for me to say because I saw what Josh Giddy did with Chicago while scoring the ball, rebounding the system,

made some big time shots. So it's hard for me to say, Joe, one team won the trade over the other. Right. I think it definitely was a good trade for both teams. I love to see Giddy, the way he's flourishing in Chicago, making plays, scoring the basketball. And it got to the point, Argan, also, where Chicago was playing some meaningful basketball at one point.

Yes. I thought Giddy was playing really well. I think Caruso just fits what OKC does as far as... Yes. Greedy players, tough players, sit out, play defense. Yeah, they can score. They can give you some buckets. But for the most part, defensively and being effective on that end is definitely what OKC

needs. And I thought Caruso brings that. Playmaking, guarding guys, that's a lot bigger than him, obviously. And it's worked out for the better. And you know, it's going to be, it's going to be tested in his next series against these T-wolves though. Yeah, because they're going to throw a lot, they're going to throw a lot of bodies at Ant. Caruso will take him some, Ludorta take him some.

Uh, you have Jalen Williams that'll guard him, son. You got Wallace that'll guard him some, I'd say Joe that'll guard him, son. You got a lot of, they're going to throw a lot of different bodies they gonna try to wear him down. I like what you just said uncle about them throwing bodies at him but we got all the bodies you name really can't do nothing with them one on one they're gonna have to bet they're gonna have to have some type of help from somewhere no matter what. Look I'm just gonna give you try to give me as many different looks as I possibly can. Right. Some guys are the size some guys are a little taller some guys are a little. Right. It's just that I'm trying to get as many different looks as I possibly can. Some guys are his size, some guys are a little taller, some guys are a little...

Right. It's just that I'm not going to give him a steady dive of anything. Because it's just like with medicine, if you take it too long, you'll build up a resistance to it. So I'm not going to give him a steady dive of anything. I ain't going to let one guy, like, oh, you got him the whole game. Lou Dora, you got him. Wallace, you got him.

Caruso, you got him. Jalen Williams, you got him. And if we have to, yeah, we'll go to a zone. We'll play that zone and, hey, play the boxing one on him. Wallace, you got it. Caruso, you got it. Jalen Williams, you got it. And if we have to, yeah, we'll go to a zone. We'll play that zone and hey, play the boxing one on him. Okay, yeah. Because the difference is, I'm not really worried about Rudy Gobert hurting me. Right.

I'm not. Because they got big body, you know, look, Hardenstein gonna give you what he's gonna give you. Hardenstein today, he only played 17 minutes, five or seven. He gave you seven rebounds, 10 points, seven rebounds. Okay, you got Chet. Chet gave you 13 points on four of nine shooting. 11 rebounds.

So look, like I said, Gobert Haddow had a really great game, game five against the Lakers, but I'm not expecting him to give me any more than eight to 10 points, maybe 11, 12 rebounds that 27, 24. Yeah. That's over with. Yeah.

Well, you never know. Cause we never thought the 27 to 24 was going to happen too. So I, I'm going to say it's based on circumstance is based on circumstance. If he ever has an outer body experience like that again, while playing, well, the difference is not, it's not likely, but there's a chance it could happen. Listen, we might play the lotto 100 times. We might not win, but there's a chance we might hit it that one time. Yeah, I was gonna play it, but they told me they moved the lottery tickets under $5 a piece now. So I remember when it was $1, 92, 3, now they going under 5 five I don't know about that oh Joe listen one thing about is it you can't

win if you don't play hey can't win if you don't play hey baby but my daughter's watching Kennedy I love you how you doing sweetie praise God I love you all right the little one nah nah that's that's Serenity baby Kennedy okay I mean you got both of them watching hey Serenity, baby Kennedy. Oh, okay. I mean, you got, I mean. Both of them watching. Hey, Serenity. I need to get me a pad and write all these kids' names down so I be know which, I need to get me a pad and pen so I can write all these kids' names down

so I know who to talk about. It's a lot of them, that's a lot of them. I know, that's why I need a pad and pen. Yeah, I'm just, you know, matter of fact, when you write them down, add two more to it. I know, all right. Add two more to it I know all right add to move around here. Huh? Brother you go right here. Yeah, but I'm from the head twins, but You know that you I mean what what what better what better place to break that story than your nightcap?

Praise God. It's cap cap Listen ain't no camping ain't no camping my story. Everything I tell is truth and it's this real life experience. Oh, Joe, do me a favor. As long as you've been on here with me, name one lie I told. Boy, you want you really want me to do this? Just give me one. Give me one name one lie ever told. The LeBron, 50 the 50 the 50 point

The 60,000 Career point ball one ball. That's one. Hold on now. Wait, wait a minute now now I got the 40,000 point ball and I didn't want to be greeting and asked for the 50,000 point ball So I already got one of them But I got that one in storage Hey look, you know how when you lie so much, you build lies on top of lies? You have to remember all them lies, Ocho.

He's a liar, man. I don't, Joe, listen to me. I lie for you before I lie to you. I would never lie to y'all because I respect y'all. And if anything come out my mouth, there's always some truth to it, a little bit. All right, okay. I promise you.

Hey, did you see that? Did you see the graphic that we posted? All them events you've been at? Matter of fact, it's so funny. Not as you think about it, right? Like out of all the graphics, there was only one I really wasn't at. Which one was that?

Huh? Which one was that? The golf tournament. Oh, you weren't at the Tiger thing? 97? Nah, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I was at the one in 99, no? So you that, uh... Dr. King, your speech.

Yeah, my grandma and my granddaddy was there. They was there, so that really counts as me being there. You saw Nancy rolls apart? So they asked you to give up your seat first, and then they went to Miss Parks. My grandma, listen, when Martin Luther King was walking right in the photo, my grandma was right behind Dr. King with my granddaddy. He right there in the picture, and you didn't even know that. I didn't know that.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, from what I'm hearing now now the way the story's being told they went to you first and asked you to give up your seat no no no no that's not what happened that's not what happened cuz I was already in the back oh you already in the back so you're already in your spot. I you know hey you know back then they were lynching that yeah they were lynching I wasn't gonna play like that I don't play with people like that boy we really had no rules cuz when you go to the bathroom it still said whites and colors only so I you don't play that people like that, boy. We ain't really had no rules. Cause when you go to the bathroom, it still said whites and colors only.

So I, you don't play that game. Not back then. Okay. Yeah. I don't play that. I don't play that. But my grandma, my granddaddy was there though. Yeah.

I mean, you use a lot of places. I say, man, damn, Ocho got around. Yeah. And you know, they, hey, before, listen, before we, Carmen San Diego, before Carmen San Diego, it was me. We're in the world as Carmen San Diego before Carmen San Diego It was me We're in the world is Carmen San Diego. You remember that? No, where's Waldo? Yeah, where's Waldo? Yeah, I remember where's Waldo. It was me before Waldo that came for me

Yeah, that came for me I'm just saying I've been everywhere good Joe, I done been all over the world, Joe. I done lived two times already, you hear me? Hmm. Yeah, I done lived two times already, so I really don't have to- You lived two times, lied three times, I'll shoot. I don't lie.

I don't lie. I don't lie. With my, Joe, send me to that hundred dollar joke. Hey, Joe, I'm actually got my joke. Hey Joe I'm at the cigar bar Joe. I can't believe you even got on here pressing me about that hundred dollars man. I'm at the cigar bar Joe. I want to buy some placentias at the den. I'm at the den on Almeida.

Just send me a hundred dollars. I'm going to get. They cost thirty five dollars a pump Joe. We going to talk about it when we got. Boss man. Hey got the boss man. I must have listened. Hey, Face, come here, man. Hey, you go Face right here.

Is it? Yeah, man. Come on, hold on, hold on. Sit right there real quick. I'll see you by 85. What's up, baby? 85. 85.

What's happening? What did you do, Face? It wasn't happening. Hayden't I just talk to you? I just, I just told the chat, I just got the phone with you about an hour ago. We got some brewing. Hey, but I told, I told my, I told my brother, I said, man, I just talked to face. He said, man, tell face. Hey, I ain't my game. Ain't what it used to be.

Hey man, I want to, I want, I want to see what he got. No, no sir. Hey, my game ain't what it used to be. Hey man, I wanna see what he got. No. No sir. I'm not gonna go out there playing with Sterling, man. Are you crazy? Face, he been off, you know, he had eye surgery, about to have another one. So he been off for about five months.

He just, for y'all didn't know, Face just had open heart surgery about six months ago, right? August. August, okay, right? August. August, okay, almost a year. Hey man, that boy strong like bull. Flipped by the best. You good?

I'm good, man. Man, thank you, bro. Hey, you wanna thank the best one? All right, all right. You know, that's Joe, when you see Ocho here in the building with you, that's Joe Johnson, the Ocho here in the building with you. That's Joe Johnson, he's our basketball contributor. Okay.

Hey, what it look like with the finals, man? I mean, who going to the dance? You trying to bet or you just wanna know? I wanna know. I'm trying to bet, come on. Man. I'm taking, I'm taking, if I had to bet money, I would take the Knicks and the Thunder.

But since I ain't bet no money, I'm taking the Knicks in Minnesota. $400, $400, $400. Hey, that boy named Crime, 85 name Crime, he don't play each oh don't love y'all man Oh Joe, how everybody know you don't damn pay. Oh, no, no, no, I'm gonna pay I'm gonna pay I'm gonna pay you Right soon as Joe when When Joe send me that-that hundred... Ah, man, the man that bamboozled me, done got me into this biz. How you give me drag me into this?

I ain't dragging you into here because you're a part of the department now. You owe that man $5,200 way before I owed you a hundred. Now you done dragged me into this. But I-I-listen, matter of fact, you know what Face ain't tell y'all? Me and Face got an album coming out. Yeah. Face ain't doing no more music. Yeah, yeah, me and Face, you know, it's facing tell y'all me and face got an album coming out They say doing no more music. Yeah. Yeah me

Hey, hey, hey, hey, look what is here look Yo, yeah, Riley play with the Fab Five, remember me? Oh yeah, yeah, what's up, bro? I'm about to drive a book. About to drive a book. It's gonna be ready like a couple weeks. So. Don't let Ocho do nothing with that book. No, it is, bro.

I don't know if you can see it. The sixth man.. The sixth man. Yeah. Sixth man. So I cover, I cover the first championship with Glen Rice and Ramil as a freshman. And then the two Rockets championships. Oh, okay. Okay.

A lot to cover in that. Oh, so man, y'all trust AC on over there for my boy, man. God leave. I mean, I for my boy man. Yeah Yeah, when I drop it, I mean I don't know we can figure it out But yeah You can't go know what Icho, Ocho that dude to have everybody at your table. God dang, Ocho!

Hey, but listen, I ain't mean to get off topic, right? I know we had a few in a rush, but listen, that's good for the show. But me and Face, we've been in the studio. That's why I've been coming to Houston. Me and Face got a album coming out together. Okay. I can't wait to see it. Yeah, no. You're gonna hear it, not see it. Yeah, I can't wait to see it.

Yeah, no. Hear it. You gonna hear it, not see it. Yeah, I wanna hear it, yeah. Okay. You got it coming out on MP3? No, no, no, it's on DVD. What's this, this rap, R&B, what is it?

No, no, what you mean rap, man? This is me and Scott Faze. Rap? Yeah, yeah, we gonna rap. Like, when he heard- So you on his album or he on your album? No, I'm on his album. We is like a duo.

Like when I- Okay. He heard me rapping, like, Dan, you remind me of Bushwick Bill. That's what my face told me. We like, yeah, he told me, like, I saw him outside, right? And I started rapping for him. He like, damn, I ain't know you this way.

I said, yeah, we need to get in the studio. So we like, you know what? I'ma sign you So he assigned yesterday Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna rap a lot. So you say you kind of you sound like Bushwick Bill. Yeah, I'm like Bush. I'm like Bush with Bill Yeah, and I and I could do I make screw music too It's not the screw yeah, I do all that I do all music too. And chop the screw. Yeah, I do all that. I do all that. Wow, well you in the right place, you know.

Yeah. You know J. Prez down there. Yeah, yeah, matter of fact, me and me. 50 in Houston. 50 out here? You know Drake in Houston. Yeah, all them boys out there. Make here too?

Yeah. We need to go ahead and move to Houston, man. Bun B? Yeah, I'm going to Trillburgers tomorrow. Nah, Ocho. You don't want to move here? Hey, hey, if you ain't careful next year this time, I'll be happy to lock you down.

Hey, they out here too, boy. You heard me? Oh, listen, I've been preaching to you for like two years now. We come out here, give me a week. I'll make sure you're married. No, no, I better look. You just said lockdown. Titus, you don't owe Joe to leave me alone. Why does man keep bothering me, Titus? I'm trying to get you to the promised land baby and what better place to find it than I am in Houston.

As long as you don't leave on Sunday you gonna be alright. Well I mean if I live out there I'm gonna be out there everyday. Yeah well you ain't got to stay. Man I ain't got brand like that to be having full five houses. Yes you do. Well you got money to talk about. Hold on we got we got we got money. So Nicole a yolk is this playoff he's first in points first in rebounds first in assist first in steals first in stocks first in

triple-double doubles first in triple doubles first in field goals First in stocks, first in triple, double doubles, first in triple doubles, first in field goals. Yoki's plans on his plans this off season. He said, well, we'll see. But for now, next couple of days, gonna be a lot of beer probably. I mean, he's incredible. I mean, he's, I mean, there's really no way to describe him.

I mean, we haven't seen a guy. I mean, first in points, first in rebounds, assists, steals, double, double, triple, doubles, field goals. Yeah, no way. But Joe, I feel in order for them to get back to where they were and win a championship, they're going to have to do something with this lineup. Everything, the only two people that shouldn't be touchable are he and Jamal Murray. Everything, I think I keep going. But Michael Porter Jr., I would entertain Michael Porter Jr.

I would entertain Christian Braun. Hey, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute, huh? You know why he wasn't productive? Only because of the injury to his shoulder. So you might get the old Michael Porter Jr. once he get a chance to heal. Nah. No. Even when he's healthy, he's still too inconsistent for the type of money that he makes.

You can't run it back as is. You can't. You just can't. It ain't really nothing out there though, baby. There's something out there. There's about to be something out there. You won a championship with the core group you got right now. Why would you change that up?

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. They're going to have to, uh, whether it's even bringing, bringing more firepower in off that bench, but yes, for real, I think, I think they needed Jamal Murray to play more like an all star, you know I probably had a decent game here and there, but they need some consistency from him. He wasn't consistent. Like when you play the Lakers, he's consistent every game. He can't miss.

He can't miss when he played the Lakers. He ultra aggressive. And I think that's the thing that we got to get OKC credit about because your perimeter guys, man, they someway, somehow, kind of take them out of the game. And that's what kind of concerns me about the Timberwolves. Because although Ant-Man is great, and it's going to be hard to stop him, but they got guys who are going to sit down

and move their feet. This ain't going to be like the Lakers, where you just O-Lay, come down, you get past that, and you got to dunk or lay up. Like, this is going to be a fun and interesting series. And I ain't going to lie, I'm nervous even picking a T-Wolves, but I think it's a time. Oh, wait.

And it's not going to be like Golden State. Because Golden State ain't got a whole lot of guys that can slide with it. But they got five or six guys that can slide. Lew Dort, they got Wallace, they got Caruso, they got Jalen Williams. They got Isaiah Joe. They got a lot of guys that can throw at him and they got sides that can challenge him at the rim once he gets there. I ain't saying they can stop it, but they can challenge it.

Yeah. It was a game of basketball. Everybody challenged and everybody, I just don't like the words that just came out of Joe mouth. The fact that he said, I'm nervous, even though he's picking the wolves. So I mean, why don't you just flip side and go with the Thunder? No, I'm gonna stick with the T-wolves, Ocho. But you just said you nervous about your pick.

I am nervous. I'm nervous. See, you're not confident. You should probably- I ain't saying I'm not confident. You can be confident instead and be a little nervous now. Come on now.

Nah, nah, nah, nah. See, like I'm confident. If we play one-on-one, I'ma whoop your ass. Now, there ain't no way you ain't confident in that. You ain't confident. I'm for real. So I'm not nervous about that. Anytime you go into anything, Joe, if you have any type of... Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you keep talking, I might not let you sko, so keep it up.

Damn! Yeah, I might not let you sko, so keep it up. Joe, you really ain't never seen me hoop on. I ain't got to see you. I did see you hoop. With all due respect you played in the NBA. Well you was that boy. They call you Iso Joe for a reason right? But you got to respect my game man. I told you a rule. I might not let you scope. Listen in high school I scoped 56 12 and 10. You must have been playing 1-8 basketball. No who you playing again in my in my This I know Joe for real Joe say he didn't say score he said he might not let you scope

Yeah, hey, what's that? Hey, hey, can I say you got no joke? You ain't got no joke. Listen to me I'm with the New York, right? I dropped 32 at Ruckapaw. So how you gonna beat me? Think about that I'm 32 at Ruckapaw. If it's just me and you on the court partner, you ain't got a chance. Okay, right? I'm like Rachel. Well, I don't see you Right you ain't gonna see me. All right.

All right. All right. After the game, Aaron Gorn had this to say. He said, I would really, really appreciate it if there were a couple of days between games and the playoffs instead of every other day. The product of the game would be a lot better. You'll see a high level basketball, probably less blowouts. Do you, Joe, do you agree with what AJ is saying?

Nah, this has been the format. Alone. Well, however long. Like, we understand you got a knick-knack, a little injury, but look, the show still gotta go on, my boy. You know what I mean? Man, y'all be playing in August

if they put two days in between every game. Yeah, you get your little day, maybe two in between. If you, your body can't shake back from that, you just in trouble. That's just the way it's been. It's been, it's been like that forever. Ain't nothing, they ain't changing. They ain't changing. They ain't giving these dudes three, four days in between.

Nah. It asks for a lot of rules. Hey, first they, they want to take the time off and go, what's 12 minutes a quarter, right? Uh, Joe? Yeah. It's 12 minutes. Listen, they'm talking about.

Listen, they were talking about going- They tried to cut it down to 10. I think it's like the Euro rules, right? Fever. Yeah, we not doing all that. And now they talked about cutting the game, possibly playing 65 games or 70 games instead of the 82. From 82.

In a minute. Hey, Ocho, okay, Ocho, them boys back in the 60s and 70s, man, they played 82 games on Chuck Taylor. These boys got orthotics and all kind of things. Now, you mean to tell me they can't play 82 games? Come on, man. Hey, Adam Silver said, yeah, we're going to cut the game, but we're going to cut the pay too.

Let's see how many of them sign up for that. So in other words, you still want to make 50, 60, 70 million dollars in 70 games, in 65 games. Oh, you're okay, that's what y'all want? Okay, we're gonna cut the paint. Let's see how many of them you think signed up for that, Ocho? Nobody. Nobody at all. Yeah. And you got it better now. You just, I mean, just think about those, like you said, Joe guys back then, they didn't have all the technology

and all the treatment, the ice baths and all this, the nutrition and the physios and the personal trainers. They didn't have all that. They don't have the private jets. That joke is flu commercial. Yeah. And you know what too, hon? I wish, I'm sure we don't have enough time to do it, right?

But I wonder if asking do it. Were the injuries, think about the injuries that we're getting in today's game, right? Do you think the injuries were as prevalent or as many people got injured back then? Yeah. They are today? Yeah. Magic Johnson and James Worthy was both hurt against Michael Jordan

in his first championship. Remember Isaiah pulled his hamstring, rolled his ankle? Absolutely. Kareem, remember everybody talks about that game that Magic had, that was because Kareem, remember, everybody talks about that game that Magic had, that was because Kareem was out with an injury. So yes, absolutely. Yes, yes, it's just the fact that the matter is,

we didn't have a 24-hour news cycle. They didn't have social media, so everything got reported. But yes, there were injuries that were very, very prevalent back then that swung the tempo in the momentum of a series Absolutely, okay, absolutely But this this is a part of it. I mean you guys play every other day Yes They know that God's they're not changing that they're not changing that yeah, they're playing every other day they find commercial

You think you're gonna get three two three days off and you got a private jet No, I don't see that happening So we've already got it winning the 2025 NBA championship who will get crowned 2025 NBA champs we don't know who you got. We are next Okay, Joe, you got I got the T was New York Knicks. Okay, Joe, who you got? I got the T-Wolves. If the T-Wolves, look, the T-Wolves win this series,

ain't no stopping them, bro. Ain't no stopping them. I know, look, it'll be a great story to see Minnesota play against New York. The fact that they both swap, you know, Cat, yeah, Cat and Jaram. Julius, yeah. I think that will be, I actually think

that'll be a hell of a series. Uh, but I, but I, I gotta take the T-Walls fellas. I don't know. Listen, I like, I like the, I like the happy ending. I like for, for New York fans, for the Knicks players, uh, for the Knicks organization, even though everyone, no one likes Mr. James Dolan, I would like, yeah, I would like for the, for the city in general. You know, I think New York deserves it.

It's been a very long time for them and they're due one, they're due one. And I'm only picking the Knicks. Obviously I'm, I'm a Heath fan, you know, so I'm sticking with the team coming out the East. Okay. Yo, who you got? They gon' they'll flip New York upside down for a win. Man, you saw how they did after just going to the Easter Conference finals.

Imagine what's going to happen if they go to the NBA finals and then multiply that. Hey, listen, the Statue of Liberty hand ain't going to be raised no more. She's going to be pointing at you. Man, you see how prof-fame they are? Man, they're about to be, man, the fan, New York fans about to be on one. Yeah. Yes.

And consider they hadn't won a, I mean, you gotta go back to 73. It's a good sight to see. Huh? It's a good sight to see. It's good to see the fanatic of the fans and the NBA and the way they really rev rev for they nicks man This has been this has been I'm sure for them an interesting, you know playoff run because

You know, nobody had them beat in Boston, man they came they went in there one of them first two games and basically took control of the series and the rest is history, but Man what's to come is it's gonna be something special. Yeah Man, what's to come is it's gonna be something special. Yeah. All right, guys, we got a very, very special guest joining us. She's a rapper, actress, host, freestyle extraordinaire, Justina Valentini. How are you doing? What up, uh? What up, Chad? What up, Joe? What's going on? How's everyone feeling tonight?

Good. Man, I, uh, this is, look. I'm trying to battle. I'm trying to battle. Oh, Joe, oh, Joe. I'm trying to battle. Oh, Joe, okay, oh, Joe, can we, can we, How much money you got on it?

Cause you know, I'm not cheating. Oh, how much? I got, I got 5,200, what's up? 5,200? Hey, I got my money, I got my money on this thing. I'm a lot more expensive than that. 5,200. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Give me a chance.

I'm going to give you 5,200 to battle, right? And whatever I owe you. Honey, I'm going to post on my story for 5,200. There you go. Talk to him, Justina. Talk to him. Hey, it sounds like you scared the battle. That's what I hear.

Oh, baby, I'm not. Oh, baby, I'm not scared. I just know my worth. That's what I say. Yeah, she's trying to get to the money. She, baby. I'm not. Oh, baby. I'm not scared. I just know my work So no, but but you know, um, I did actually just shout you out in a in a rap I posted on Instagram Did you yeah, I did and it's crazy because um, my boy, you know, Charlie Clips battle rap legend He just hit me. I three-oed him already. You said what?

I three-oed Charlie already. Yeah, come on now. You three-oed Charlie Clips? I three-oed Charlie Clips. Ask him, him DNA. On Harlem? I'm telling you. I'm gonna call him right now.

I'm gonna call him and ask him. Ask him, ask him. All right, I will. So look, he just facetimed me, Unc, and we were talking about the show we got coming up, and I said, oh, I'm about to jump on with Shea Shea and everything. He said, oh, man, you're going to tell him you just shouted him out in a rap? I said, I completely forgot.

Yeah, just last week. Hey, Unc, hey, Clips, look, I'm on here with Unc Shea Shea. We got Archie Osink on here. We got Joe Johnson. And Chad right here said that he beat you in a rap. He say he thrilled you. Oh, you smug them crazy on YouTube? Why is he lying?

Tell him don't lie like that. Hey, Clips, you can't do nothing with me. Don't lie to people like that, man. What you talking about, B? Yo, yo, oh, listen, man. Look, you retired on football on your own terms. I retired you in battle rap. You never battled to get it after that.

Mm-hmm. Hold on, I'm waiting, hey, I'm from the battle, I'm waiting on surf to get out. I'm from the 3-0-M. Yo, free the way they surfboard smoke you out. Definitely free the wait. They're going to smoke you. I mean, definitely free to wait. Yeah. Oh, do you battle DNA too?

Huh? Oh, this is great. I didn't know he battled DNA too. Yeah, I'm really, I'm really like that. That's why you scared about it. You don't like that. Justine. All right, bro, I'm gonna call you when I get off here.

All right. Yeah, I don't know what's coming up. Justine. We already lost the three of my comrades. That's crazy. Bro, I'm gonna call you when I get off here. All right. Yeah, I want you to know I'm giving up. Yeah, so you already lost the three of my comrades? That's crazy. What's up, Unc? Let me ask you this. You guys kinda got your start on Wilding Out with Nick Cannon.

Did you expect to receive the love and the respect that you received when you went on that show? So what were your expectations when you went on Wilding Out? You know, when I went in audition for Wilding Out, that was not my plan or trajectory at all. At the time, you know, I was just out here in the streets like Chad. I was rapping, you know what I mean? I was taking people's money just like, you know what I mean?

Just like, you know, Chad over here. And I just really wanted to be an artist. You know, singer, songwriter, and yeah, TV. I was not looking to be on TV. But a good friend of mine, Antonio Skips, he came to one of my music videos, and he's really nice with the beatbox. So he started beatboxing, I started freestyling. Snapchat was lit at the time.

And so he's posted on his Snapchat, and he's like, yo, sis, you got to audition for this show. I'm about to audition for Wild N Out. I was like, oh, that's the one where they come up with the songs on the spot. I'm like, I'll kill that. So he's the one who connected me with the producers. And that's my brother always. Because you know, most people won't really look out like that,

especially when he wasn't even on the show yet. But he connected me with the executive producers and I sent in a bunch of videos of me freestylin' outside in New York at SOBs on B-Real's radio show, just a bunch of different freestyles. They invited me to come audition and I bodied it. You know, I knew I bodied it. I knew I killed the audition.

So they brought me back and then they brought me back again and then I met Nick and I remember at that audition it. I knew I killed the audition. So they brought me back, and then they brought me back again. And then I met Nick, and I remember at that audition, it was all the people from the tri-state, New York, New Jersey, maybe even, you know, Connecticut, Boston, whatever else was close. It was all of us, and, you know, we did the audition, and they had us do a bunch of different games. And when it got to Wild Style, I just sat back a little bit.

You know, it was like 15 on one side of the room, 15 on the other side of the room. Okay, yeah, you like, okay, I'm vibing with this, okay. Yeah, I'm vibing and then as soon as someone hit me I just like a machine gun. I went down the whole other side and then when everyone was leaving shaking the producers hand shaking Nick saying I remember I was the only one Nick said something to he was like where you from and I was like Jersey and he was like all right, and I just left audition knowing that, you know, if you stay ready, I get ready.

You knew you had bodied it, so you knew you were gonna get the callback that you were gonna be a regular. Yeah, yeah, so I got the callback, and then the rest was history. I shot my first season, that was season eight, and I've been on for 14 seasons now, I'm the longest running female. So I guess, you know, when you said, how did I think I was gonna eight and I've been on for 14 seasons now. I'm the longest running female. So I guess, you know, when you said,

how did I think I was gonna be received? I really didn't know. I just knew being a female, being white, I just knew I always had to really be that nice. You had to be like that. Yeah, I had to really be like that because nobody, people didn't wanna to give it up for me. In general, that was just always my experience. I ran around to all these open mics,

threw up work and, you know, I always had to be like the nicest in the room to, you know, so I was just ready. I was ready. I was hungry. And, you know, once I got the opportunity, I just went for it. And, you know, the fan base loved me, I just went for it and you know, the fan base loved me, shout to them, because they really make us who we are. And then everything took off from there. Were you always good on the mic? Were you always quick witted?

Were you always, did you always, is that what you always wanted to do? Were you that young lady that like, people looking at you like, why are you trying to be black? You're white, why you can't do this? I'm sure you probably got a little bit of that, like you said, you are a young lady, a woman now,

and you were doing things that, there were not a whole lot of white rappers, female rappers when you were coming up. Well, you know what's funny? It's a lot of white rappers, men, because the industry has them some white men. I could name you like probably 50 white rappers right now. Yes. It is a lot.

It's a lot of white rappers. But yeah, not female. So yeah, I definitely got a lot of everything. I got a lot of friction. I got a lot of friction. I really had to grind to get where I got, and I really had to cut my teeth, and nothing was easy for me. Nobody wanted to let me in.

I had no connection, didn't know anybody who knew anybody who knew anybody. I'm looking at my mom, I'm like, you don't know nobody? Nobody know nobody? Like, you know, so. You got no connect. Yeah, no connect. It's hard in Jersey.

We don't have a radio station. We don't have a sports team. We don't have shit. We had Nets brief for a fleeting moment. They took that, right? Joe, you were with the Nets for a second. So, yeah, I really, really had to work hard. And, yeah, I was always nice with the words.

I always had, you know, the gift of gab was always really good to put my words together. And I think when you just have a natural gift for something and then you use that gift a lot, you just get a lot better. So once people be like, yo, what a girl, like she freestyles, she's crazy with it. Everyone wanted to see me do it. So I was running around everywhere, just, you know, freestyle and open mics. And I used to go to the real ones in the city, E.O. Dub, where, you know, they would beat juggle.

They would slow down the beat, speed up the beat, like crazy shit that people just don't even do anymore, which is why when I went to Sway, shout to Sway, I love him, one of my favorite people in the industry. And I did the Five Fingers of Death. I'm the first and only female to spit a real freestyle completely off the top. DJ Wonder was speeding up the beat and slowing it down. And they hadn't done that in years, years. So I asked and I went on Sway, bodied it.

Wonder gave me the most trash beats speeding up the beat But I said the wonder after I said damn wonder I said, um, no, I actually said this way I said I'm surprised you guys were changing the you know, the BPM of the beat He said yeah, we haven't done that in years cuz no one could do it and this is people who come with written So I said the wonder what so why'd you do it to me? Cuz I knew he was trying to fuck me up. Right. And he said because you were talking so much shit.

Mm. That, you know, he really wanted to test me. But it just like made me shine more. So it's, I've always had to do that. Like that's always been kind of, you know. You had to be that much better in order to get just as far as someone that was average that was doing it. You had to be a step above, a cut above the rest. Correct, but I really think, you know, God put me on TV for a reason, because, you know, TV, I got on TV and TV embraced me so much.

I got on Wild N Out, and because of Wild N Out, I had great success. I grew this platform, and then from Wild N Out, they made me a host on TRL. They made me a host on How Far Is Tattoo Far, Revenge Prank, The Challenge, The Justina Valentine Show, Basic to Bougie. I'm the host now of Jersey Shore. Like, it opened up so many doors for me

that music just, it wasn't ready to. So like TV and film, and then from there, I started doing film. Like that was really the biggest blessing. And I think God just knew like, nah, you know, go this way. It's a lot more money this way, go this way. That's what happened. Matter of fact, your work ethic,

obviously with what you have going on, I mean, listen, the proof is in the pudding. You got it out of the mud, you've done it the hard way and you put the work in. So you've been blessed with many opportunities. You've won many hats, though, rapper, actress, writer, producer, and host, obviously. How do you decide which hat to wear on any given project? Is it the money issue or are the products that are given to you, do you always take things that fit you and which way you want to go and envision? Yeah, I think, um, it's always about what's the most important thing at the moment. Like, for example, in 2022, we shot like three seasons of Wild'n Out.

We did two tours and I shot a movie that like I wrote, I directed, I started. I got my Eddie Murphy on, I played six characters. I financed, I did everything from A to Z for this movie. So it really monopolized my year. So that year, I really didn't do, I didn't drop any music, except for I did the soundtrack for my movie. So that year is like, you know, music took a little backseat and all my efforts and energy went into the movie,

which was the most ambitious thing I've ever done, but also made me, that one thing was my biggest payday, that one project. So it's like, you know, that year was all about TV, film, tour, you know, and so like music took a backseat. So for me, I'm very fortunate to be able to do the projects and the things that I want to do. Of course, Wild N Out, I'm always going to do.

Nick could call me, I'm always pulling up for Nick. We'll be doing Wild N Out until the people don't want to wild out anymore. Which, they want to keep Wild N Out, you know? So I love that and it's like, we used to say every time Nick made a new pregnancy announcement, we would announce a new season. That was always that was always like a beautiful thing. But look, he hasn't announced a pregnancy in a while and we're still shooting. So I love to see it.

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Well, I have one more question. When it comes to all the projects that you're doing, how important for you, based on your vision and what you want to do that fit you in the lane that you're in, how important is creative control on the projects that you're doing? It's very important to me, especially because like, you know, like with the movie I mentioned and then myself and my cast member

can see this out the CON, another battle rap legend. We just produced a TV show that we sold to Kevin Hart, Shout Out to Kev in the LOL Network. It came out on Peacock and 2B. And all these projects, like, I'm producing, and I'm literally on the cutting room floor with the editor. Like, I really, once I have the vision, I really have the vision.

Sometimes I'm two hands on. They're like, all right, just, like, chill. Like, give us a week. We're not done yet. Like, it's not even color corrected. So I am very hands-on, sometimes two hands-on. So my answer is I'm very involved in the creative from A to Z. So I think especially, and I know you guys can all relate

because you have your own, all your own stuff going on, your own brands, your own shows, et cetera. So it's like you have a vision for it and you want to see it through so yeah, I'm very involved But the thing is just enough like yeah, you're great at freestyling, but you can roast and and normally You know that's what that's our end of itself people don't understand that we call it Joan and I went to an HBCU So we call it Jonah no ragging or bagging on somebody whatever y'all we call it roastingone-in. I went to an HBCU. So we call it jone-in or ragging or bagging on somebody. Whatever y'all, we call it roasting. Whatever the case may be.

But for you to rap and you can roast also, because to be great at roasting, you've got to be off the cuff. Because there ain't no, I'm gonna come back tomorrow and get you. I got to get you as soon as you done with yours, I got to be... firing right back at you. How are you able to do that? So are you listening? Like, OK, so this what we doing? Or this what we... OK, go ahead, go ahead. You first.

So how does it just... because it seems like it just comes so natural to you. Yeah, no, it really does. And I think I just go into demon mode. Like when we're in the box, someone's rapping at me. I'm just, I'm listening. I think one part of my brain is listening to what they're saying to me. And then another part of my brain is just, like, really sizing them up. And it's so funny to me when people are like,

oh, you know, do you guys have writers on Wild N Out? I crack up, because I look at them and I'm like, if you think I could buy a rap from someone, like a writer, come on. buy a wrap from someone like a writer. Come on, like, they would, first of all, like, they would never give someone like me anything because they know I'm already, like, it's people on the stage that are already lethal.

Do you think we can get help even if we wanted to? We shoot 30 episodes in 10 days. That means three episodes a day. Do you? Everyone on the stage has something for me. They have something for me, they have something for DC. It's just certain people that everybody has something for. From the cast to the other castmates, it's like, you know... There have been battles that I've done on the show

when guests have came, celebrity guests, and haven't been aired. Because those people, teams have requested requested for not to be aired. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I like- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, hold on, hold on. Listen, can you do me a favor?

See, on here, everything is a green light, right? Everything is a green light on here. And I do not worry about being roasted because my grandma used to call me ugly. But can you give us an example of how good you are off the top of the head and roast me real quick? All right, go ahead, hit me first with something. You want me to hit you first? Yeah.

Okay, hold on, hold on. Get it, Justina. Come on, Chad, let's go. You sure? Yeah, come on. I'm with Justina, Team Justina. Who's side you on, huh? They got me a T-shirt. Well, who's side said you own I'm on just a

Okay, hold on hold on hold on let me think of something good. Okay. Okay. Okay? Um, okay. I won't get ready I'm ready. Oh, you gotta pay attention man. I need you I'll get ready. I'll get ready to follow my chair. We should tell you Get ready to fall off my chair when she tear your ass up. Who's side you on? Who's side you on? Uncle, who's side you on? I'm on Justina. I just told you.

Damn, that's messed up. I'm supposed to be... Dad, you're taking a long time. Oh, no. I'm trying to make sure he on my side. Okay, here we go. Okay. If I holla at Justina, she better holla back.

Because she got that BBL, that ass used to be solid flat. Body looked like she smoked a lot of crap. Now she got that red hair like Jessica Rabbit, so I said, Roger that. I'm about to do a violin act. Hold on, OK. We could have had a good time. I'm taking too long. All right, yo. Go, go, go, get him. hold on. OK. We could have had a good time. I'm taking too long.

All right. Yo. I'm going to pop out of the head. Get him. Yo. Get him, Justina. Joe, Unc, and Chad, all athletes. I will run with them.

I will get with Uncle Shay-Shay, but after 22, he's done with them. In fact, watch how I'm going to leave you. I know you like it in the ass, that's why you was a wide receiver. You glad or you wanna keep going? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Just did it, just did it.

How did I do that? You threw it on the floor, how did I do that? You just caught it straight, you standing there. I did, I know, I'm feeling it. Hold on, I ain't finished. You ain't finished, right? I'm coming back. Hold on, hold on, I ain't feeling it. It ain't finished, all right. I'm coming back. This ain't really what you wanna do.

Nah, you got it, I'm gonna let you have that one. Nah, nah, get it again, get it again. I'm not gonna lie, Chad. What's up? I'm glad you stopped there, cause the thing is about me, this second round's about to go crazy. She don't know when to stop.

Look, Chad, look. Chad, look. I was three, I was three only to go on here. I'm a real battle rapper. Alright, go ahead. What's my next? Listen, listen. I done beat everybody.

Ask Hitman about me. Ask Hitman about me. Ask Hitman what I did. You and everything. I'ma definitely ask Hitman about you because y'all got the same head. Y'all both look like a milkman. I'ma definitely ask his ass about you. But y'all.

And I'm not gonna lie, you and Hitman have the same teeth. Y'all went to the same, y'all didn't say medium. Y'all said just extra large, dawg. Do what you want. Look like a bunch of fucking Apple iPhone chargers in your mouth. A bunch of ones in your mouth. Leanin' girl, long boy.

Hey. Get her, Chips. Yeah, that's what I'm talkin' about. That's what I'm talkin' about. That's what we're waiting for. Hey, I appreciate it, sis. Sis, I love her. Nah, for sure.

Hey, no, Chad, honestly, I definitely, I mess with you. I love people that go off the top of their heads. So if you and me one day in the same place at some time, somebody wanna double team us, no bitty shit, just like, you know, raps and stuff, I'm with it. I appreciate it. Listen, listen, honestly, I didn't have an opportunity to tell you because obviously we're doing a show

and you know, but I'm a fan of yours, always have been. I watch Wild N Out, Rel Out religiously some of the other projects and stuff we have going on away from Wild N Out I've also watched as well I just want to say I salute you and I wish you much success and all that you do sis man you you're a real one. He's trying to butter you up Justina. No but thank you so much and I really appreciate y'all and of course I'm a fan of up, Justina. No, no, no. No, but thank you so much, and I really appreciate y'all. And of course, I'm a fan of y'all as well. And I definitely got to, one day I want to sit on Shae Shae's couch as well. Oh, you want to be on club, Shae Shae?

Yeah, we'll definitely, we'll get the free savon in person. We'll set up the beat. We'll do all that good stuff. Have Shae Shae. Are you going to have a drink with me? I have a drink with you. If I start drinking, you're gonna have to bring a few people in there to battle me. You know what I'm saying?

No, I definitely have a drink with you. I can't come on Club Che Che and not have a drink. Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Go ahead, Ocho. That's it. Let me ask you this, Ocho. That's it. That's it. I'm not going to give up. What I want to ask, let me ask you this, Justina. Like, when you go at the guys, do you ever feel bad going at the guys, or do they ever take it personal?

No, I would say as far as, OK, so the inner circle of Wild N Out, which is, you know, those of us that go on tour. Yeah, you, DC, Chico. Yeah, like those are, which is, you know, those of us that go on tour. Yeah, you, DC, Chico. Yeah, like those are all my brothers, you know, and it's like, those are all my brothers and my sisters, like that inner circle that goes on tour. And we all know what it is. We have said everything to each other.

You know what I mean? So that's all love. Now, there have definitely been guests that have came on the show. And I'm just looking like that have came on the show and I'm just looking like had they not watched the show before, they've definitely probably been offended. They came on Wild N Out, they gotta spend it? Yeah, like, and it's just like, wow, like I said, it's been some battles that I've done

that have never seen the light of TV. And one in particular one, the producer called me, she's like, yo, yo, Tina. She would call me Tina. She's like, yo, I'm watching the battle with so-and-so, and yo, you are that bitch. And I was like, yo, I can't wait to see it. You know, what episode is that gonna be this season?

She's like, oh no, you're not gonna see it. I was like, she was like, no. She was like, you destroyed that girl. Soon as that, we were done filming, her team came up to us and said, you cannot air. And I was like, damn. So yeah, that never aired. There's been a bunch of battles I've did that

you don't have never aired. But to be honest with you, I usually, I never hit a girl first. I hit her back, I'll knock her out, but I don't hit her first. I beat up on the guys. I always hit the guys first, but with the girls, I don't hit them first, but if a girl hits me first, now it's, you know, it's-

It's on. Yeah, it's on. Yeah. I'm thinking, you've been at this for a while. So what's the next step? What's the evolution of Justina? So the evolution for me is definitely, you know, concentrating on this TV and film stuff.

We just wrapped up season two of What's Cooking Good Looking. That's the TV show that me and Kaseeda do. Second season, super funny. We have Michael Blackson, Jess Hilarious. We had Lola Brooke, Casco Bane, Mayno. So we just wrapped that up. I just finished writing another script for a movie

that I want to go into production with this summer. Super funny. Really looking forward to shooting this. Touring, we're wilding out. We're back on tour this year, so I'm definitely going to be on the road with everybody. And, you know, dropping music in between doing everything. I just dropped a record called Drip Drop. Super upbeat, fly, just feel good music. And just keep working. That's the thing about me.

I stay with attitude of gratitude, and I never feel like, oh, I'm happy to be here. Like, oh, I got a lot of bread now, I could chill. No, I just feel like I worked really, really hard to do, I worked really, really hard to be able to do what I love and to be here. So with everything I do, if I'm walking on the set for my 14th season of Wild'N Out, I'm never here like,

oh yeah, they know I'm that bitch, I could chill. No, I'm working hard like it's my first day. I'm hungry like it's my first day. So that's just the attitude I keep with everything I do. So I'm working on a lot of projects between TV, film and dropping music in between. And just waiting really to get to Shay Shay's couch. I'm one white bitch that don't talk. Shay Shay, I'm Italian, baby. Okay. Yeah. Shay Shay is like, have a good night, y'all. No, I'm just saying like, you know, yeah, I'm different type of... So don't worry about the...

All right, we're gonna get y'all... Let me ask you this. I don't want you to evolve too much because I want you to divulge it on the couch. Tell us something, because we've seen you on Wild N Out. We've seen you in some of your other projects. What do you like off camera? What do you like away from the set? What do you like to do?

Oh, what do I like to like away from the set? What do you like to do? Oh, what do I like to do away from the set? I'm very much into dogs. I work with a lot of rescues, rescue organizations. I feel like, of course, I never wanna see anyone or anything abused, but I feel like when it comes to animals, we're really their voice. So I work with a lot of dog organizations.

Just in general, I like to help people. I do a lot of stuff behind the scenes. I'm one of those people, I don't post about like my good deeds and stuff. It's kind of like a pet peeve of mine, like, you know, when people like do some good and post it. So I just work with a bunch of foundations and help people behind the scenes

as far as dogs and humans go. And then in the meantime, in between time, you know, I like to study the things I'm trying to do. So, you know, the TV shows that I'm really into, from Raising Canine to Snowfall was my journey. Walking Dead, I like to watch and see different camera angles and different TV shows and movies, and then, like, I kind of write that into my script.

Like, oh, I want the overhead shot looking down on the bed. So I'm just a student of the game, whether it comes to music or whether it comes to filming TV. So that's what I do in between doing my other stuff, is just pay attention, watch, and learn. Oh, that's amazing. Justina, thank you for your time. We appreciate you stopping by Nightcap. We definitely going to have you on Club CheChe.

We don't, we haven't, I don't know. I'm trying to think. I don't think we've ever had a white woman on the show. So CheChe, we know what happens with you and white women. But I'm a different kind of a different time. I've been to the lookout for a long time now. Don't worry about it. Thank you so much for having me.

As a matter of fact, before you go, right? Before you go, we ain't got round one out of the way. I need to make sure we get round two and three. We got two and three? Two and three. I mean, we gotta do three rounds. We don't have to do it today because we gotta finish up, right?

But when I see you, I'd rather do it in person so you can actually feel everything. I'm saying I feel your energy Yeah, I need you to feel So now that we can do round two right now You want to study that's one thing about me I don't need to do my homework. You feel me? Oh You got that jersey you got that jersey Okay You must have been the one that was jerking off and did he put that shit up on his nipple.

I gots to go. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Just be the Valentine. I love you, hon. I love you, Chad. I love you, too. Thank you for having me. One thing about it, Chad, when you're dead, just play dead. And so do your homework for next time,

and then don't worry about it. You gotta come fair. I don't like, see that's one thing about me, I'm not a bully, I don't like being up on people. You know what, hey, don't say that, hold on. You know, listen, we could have had a live date. Now, Justina Valentine, I'm about to have it my way. I usually give a woman flowers, candy, and cars,

but this ain't gonna be Valentine's Day. You understand me? See, that's why I told you to do your homework, because you don't want to end on a low note. See, it was very high until you interrupted me. I'm gonna let you have it though. We gonna finish, we gonna finish, we gonna finish. We gonna finish.

That rapper, actor's extraordinary host, Justina Valentine from Wild N Out. Watch her own, she's on season. What season are you guys on? So season 21 is going to be airing this summer. So definitely check out for that. We're coming to a city near you. Check out my brand new single, Driprip Drop and check out season one of What's

Cooking Good Looking. Season two coming soon. Thank you all so much for having me. Joe, Chad, Ankh and Ankh. Remember, I'm a white girl you could trust. We're going to talk more later. But something that just go never live down that way. Y'all better leave Justina alone, boy. You gonna be good, baby.

You got your umbrella, baby. There's weather to storm. You gonna be good. Yes, sir. You better leave that girl alone, Ocho. Huh? You better leave that girl alone. Oh, she came ready.

A wordplay series, boy. I mean, listen, man. She came ready. She came ready. She came ready, right? But listen, my word play serious, too. I got the gift of gab, too. I've been a Yappan before Yappan was actually considered

Yappan. I've been talking for a long time. Now you can't get me. We more of a Jonas. I mean, like that battle rapping, we more Jonas. We more a Keller Jones. Let me tell you. I got a mentor, right? I got a mentor at battle rap right? Twerking DNA. They're my mentors. That's why I can hang when I'm on that stage and I'm in the

presence of those that do that. Okay. You hear me? So because of Twerking DNA I can get in there and I can do what I need to do. Now see she told me the end on a low note because she know I was finna turn it up a notch. I was finna turn up the volume. Now, see, she told me the end on a low note because she knew I was going to turn it up a notch. I was going to turn up the volume. And she's like, hold on, let me say something real quick so we don't keep going. So you only notice that. Somebody like a song.

Hey, in battle rap, when somebody's rapping, you never interrupt. So she interrupted for a reason. So I can't really give her that seasoning. OK, yeah. OK, yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm more of a Jonah, but she was unbelievable. Man, she was dope. She's dope. She real dope. You got that was supposed to be off. I called more straight. You were going to be the target. I got the blast radius. Don't worry, listen, listen, we a team. So anything happen to you, it happen to me too. Okay, it's like the Titanic, when it go down,

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