Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder Take WCF Game 1 + Shaq Proves NBA is Rigged?

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Nick Van Exel react to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Thunder beating Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves in Game 1 of the Western Conference Finals, and much more!01:47 - Introduction04:00 - Twolves v OKC27:46 - Boston Celtics not in the EC Finals39:46 - DWade not impressed with Jimmy Butler against the T-Wolves50:32 - Jab at Knicks fans56:00 - Shaq weighs in on draft lottery being rigged1:00:35 - Kendrick Perkins called out Donovan Mitchell(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume. Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. The Western Conference Finals got underway and what was a very close game at the half, the OKC Thunder run away with it in the second half and win by 26, 114 to 88. Shay was sensational again, but he got contribution from Chet Hongren, Jalen Williams, and Isaiah Hartenstein as they win 114 to 88. Y'all know me. I am your favorite on Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host. Lord help him.

Uh, Liberty city though, although he's not in Liberty city now. I'm at work. I'm in Houston. I know exactly where you are. Okay. Being a ring of fame, modern read, pro bowl, all pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. And joining us tonight, it's been a while since I talked to the gentlemen.

We go back to our Denver days. I arrived first, he arrived shortly after me. So we go way, way back. Uh, Nick the Quick university. He's one of us. Well, I think 10 players that have their number retired for the university of Cincinnati, Laker Grady,, the all star 13 years in the NBA. Nick van Exel, Nick, thanks for joining us tonight, man.

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please grab yours while supplies last. Thunder beat the wolves, SGA in game one, 31 points, five rebounds, nine assists, three steals, the first 30 point game of the Western Conference Finals by a Thunder player since KD in 2016. Points in the paint, Thunder 54, T Wolves 20. Nick, as I mentioned earlier in the lead in, this was a very close game at the half. And in the second half, it this was a very close game at the half.

And in the second half, it's like the Thunder stepped on the gas and made the Wolves play for every time they turned the ball over, they made them play the ultimate price. They cashed in, they landed up, they got fouled, they're making threes. What is it that's, how are the Thunder able to do this? They like get able to get to a gear and seemingly other teams can't keep up with them.

I think tonight, you know, I think Minnesota played right into their hands and Minnesota kept the ball above the free throw line pretty much the whole night. So it was easy for OKC's defense to play boxes and elbows. So anytime they had the ball up top, you know, they're looking at three defenders, a guy on the ball and two, you know, at the elbows, and they had no driving lanes and they didn't cut. So anytime somebody put the ball on the ground, you know, OKC got active hands.

Extra hands. They gonna get deflections and that, those deflections normally turn into steals. So I think, you know, that first game is a field game. You know, they got, they gonna figure it out as far as what adjustments they need to make both teams. But Minnesota got to move the ball and they got to change their offense a little bit.

Yeah, cause I'm looking at, they only had two guys in double figures and was five with 13, three of eight from the three. Julius Randall was great again. 28 points. He was nine to 13 from the floor, five or six from the three point line, five or six from the free throw line.

He had 28 big points, but you got seven points for McDaniels, two points from Rudy Gobert, seven points for Mike Conley. Like I said, only two players in double figures. And when you got the opposing team, said only two players in double figures and when you got the opposing team They got four players in double figures that leaves a lot that leaves a lot for you to try to make up from your bench And if you look at it, okay See has the better of the two benches So now you're gonna really need to rely heavily on your starters in order for you to have a chance to win this game

Oh Joe you looking at the timber wolves. I know you like the Timberwolves and Ant-Man. What disappointed you most about what you saw from the OKC Thunder tonight? Obviously from the Thunder. I mean, excuse me, the T-Wolf tonight. The Wolf, the Wolf. Yes. First off, offensively, right?

Everybody, the game started off very slow. Obviously, Julius Gerardo had a good first half, but I need Ant-Man to be a little bit more aggressive offensively, the rest of the team collectively as a group. I'm not talking about the bench, I'm talking about the starter. Before we even get to the bench, I need Ant-Man to be a little bit more aggressive offensively. The rest of the team collectively as a group. I'm not talking about the bench, I'm talking about the starter. Before we even get to the bench, I need offensively, I need them to have better movement. You know, it seemed like everybody was very stagnant, standing in one place. I understand the pick and rolls, but nothing seemed like it was flowing smoothly and they

weren't working as a unit, you know, cohesively. Outside of that, listen, the Thunder did what they needed to do defensively. they smothered them and it seemed like every shot, Nick, I know I'm not tripping, every shot that the Wolves tried to take, it not only was it contested, it seemed like it was difficult, difficult, but didn't even get a goddamn shot off. Yeah, it was. Every time they put the ball in the ground. Before you go, Nick, I'm looking at, you had, Julius Randall had 13 shot attempts. Ant-Man had 13 shot attempts. Nas Reid was one for 11.

Devin Chimzo was three of 14. Nikhil Alexander Walker was three of 11. That's not nearly enough shot attempts for your two best players. Y'all in the low teens, 13 and 14, and 13 and 13 respectively, and you got bench players that's getting more shots than you guys.

They're definitely gonna have to change the game plan and do something different, like you said. Julius Randall played really, really well tonight, but Ant-Man, they're gonna need two or three guys to come along with Julius Randall if Randall's gonna continue to play this well. And I don't see any reason why he's not, because they don't have anybody on the opposing team that can take it. He's too big of a body, he's too

strong, he's too powerful. He's hitting his three point and when he puts three point shot and when he puts the ball on the floor who can stop him? But nobody. When you look at this Nick and you see a team they held him to 35% from the floor, 29% from the three point line. You're not beating OKC with those percentages. Well, you're not going to beat OKC with that offense. That's the one. So their offense was so predictable.

OKC just loaded up on them. So I'm watching that game and they're going to have to find a way to get Anthony Edwards out of the corners more. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Coming up and then getting down here, him playing at the top of the court with two guys on this side waiting up, it's not going to work. And they got a good enough coach. They're going to go walk for him. They're going to make adjustments and all of that. Like with those guys getting those extra shots with Connelly and Devin

Chienzo and they were them getting those. It's that's not a problem because tonight they forced them to take those shots. Right. They forced them because they said, and you're not going to be this aunt, especially with you just playing in one spot on the court. They got to move them around a little bit, get them in better spots. And I saw the second half for OKC. What they did, they started coming out of the corners,

getting more ball movement, creating a single side a little bit easier. And they was able to get easier shots. So once they looked at the field, Coach Fence is pretty good to make that adjustment. So game one, you know, OKC see hell, hell, sorry, but I think Minnesota will come back game two. Great. So what was your point you wanted to make?

Now, all I was going to say, like Nick said earlier, obviously it's game one. You want to, to me, really win game one for me, obviously being, being a Wolves fan and really going for the Wolves to win this game. It's probably going to go to seven. I hate the fact that they did lose it. To me, it kind of puts you behind the eight ball. But again, like when boxing, the first four rounds, what's the first thing you got to do, Nick? You feel your person out.

You see what they like to do? Try to find a rhythm, try to find a tempo, try to find what works for you and what doesn't. The fact that the Wolves lost, it kind of got me a little antsy, a little upset. But I think we gonna be all right next time. And obviously 13 shots wasn't enough. Julius Srander was very efficient

and the rest of the team collectively, besides the, fuck the bench, excuse my language, forget the bench. The starters need to do what they need to do before we even worry about the bench. Even though Thunder have a better bench than the Wolves. I mean, you got Juris Ram has 28, the rest of the guys that played had 60.

You're not beating OKC with two guys in double figures. That's not gonna happen. Points in the paint, Thunder 54, Wolves 20. Ant-Man was scoreless in the fourth quarter. And I thought they did, look, I thought they did a good job on Shay.a had 31 points, but it took him 27 shots to get those, Nick. So, hey, I'm cool. I'm cool.

I'm making him work for everything that he's getting. Jalen Williams, 7 or 18, I can live with that. I can live with that. But if I'm gonna make their two best players be that inefficient, well, that means I need to be efficient. I need to take better care of the ball. Cause like you, now when you playing at the top of the key, you got Shea, who's top three in steals.

You got Lou Dort on ball, can defend. You got Jalen Williams, can defend. You bringing Carson Wallace, that can defend. You bringing Wiggins, that can defend. You bringing Izel Joke, that can defend. You got Chad the Hartenstein, that can protect the rim. You better get some cut. I'm talking about some hard cuts.

I ain't talking about no lazy ass cuts. I'm talking about some hard cut diving. Hey, pick it and getting down the hill in a hurry because if you don't, they're gonna leave you around. You're gonna stay around the three point line. And then, hey, again, 51 threes. That's not the Timberwolves game. 51 threes is not their game.

I have another thing. All right. All right. Even one of you worried. I'm not really worried. I'm just saying about Ant tweaking his ankle just a little bit. I think that might've affected him as far as his shooting and being efficient as well, not really able to play the game.

He really wanted to play after messing it, hurting, hurting himself a little bit. I'm sure he probably went in and got it wrapped up. Maybe, maybe took a shot, whatever they needed to do. Just so we can get back in the game. You think that's going to affect them? The rest of the series? They at any point? I don't think it will.

I think he'd be all right. He get, he get that day off tomorrow. So whenever they play again, I think he'd be fine. But what I'm saying, man, they got a mood that rock man and they got to play faster, you know what I'm saying, man, they got to move that rock, man, and they got to play faster. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. If they hold OK, see the one shot, they got to get that thing up to court and they got to go. They got to create easier opportunities. If not, they're gonna be playing half court. And if that off and you play in 504 because Rudy Gobert is not an option for you.

Yeah, but he need to get every guy there rebound and then I'll let that thing like Kurt Ramison Kevin Love and let's go. He had a guy play 21 minutes. He's seven foot, two inches tall. He had three rebounds tonight. He only had three more rebounds than me. And I got on, I got on a, this is what I had on, this is what I had on the whole game right here.

He had three more rebounds than me in these. So this is what I say about that, because he's always in a health position, right? So he's always coming up to the free throw line or the smiley face. So he's out of position to rebound. So in his defense, I give him that. Hell, they missed 41 shots.

They missed 41 shots and they missed 41 shots. He got, they missed 41 shots and you missed 50, missed 54 shots. So there's 93 shots that you had a chance to get a rebound and you only got 3 of them down, the 91, three? Damn, Nick. I just gave you the best description I can to help you make an announcement. Which one of me do? Hey, you know what another issue is also? What that?

For the Wolf. the best description I can to help you make a house, see what you want me to do. Hey, hey, hey, you know what another issue is also? What that? For the Wolf, as you get further into the playoffs, obviously the teams you play, they get much better. Yeah. So not only do the Wolves do better shooting efficiently, and Julius Randall obviously was good tonight, but the supporting cast, including Anthony Edwards,

who I say still, and I will keep saying it, is the face of the NBA, But Minnesota, they got to, you pay double for your turnover as well. A double for your turnover, especially in a game like this where you have a team when the SGA can go off, even though they kind of smothered him in the first half and he didn't really get going. He had 31, but hell, it took him 200 shots just to get a 31.

But they got 11 turnovers on offense and capitalize on the boards as well. Yeah, they had 17 turnovers, but 12 of them came from three players. Ju Ramble had five, McDaniels had three, and Ant-Man had four. Now I'm not really concerned because like Julius Ramble and Ant are going to have turnovers because they handle the ball. They're your primary ball handlers. So they're going to probably be three, probably four game.

It would be nice if they kept it to three or under, that would be nice. But they're really not true point guards. And so they're gonna have turnovers, the Jew gonna get a cup of charging. He gonna get a walk because he forget that his right foot is the pivot and he gonna pivot back to the left and then he go try to dip up under you and they

gonna up and he's like yeah yeah we got you bro but Nick you said something very interesting you said they need to play faster they need to play fast but they don't need to be in a hurry because if you play in a hurry you gonna play right in the OKC hands and now they're getting the ball out and like you said when they turn the ball over You got to realize you got three guys at the top you turn it over. They go They're big. That's not Hardenstein. That's not Chad Hongren You got three guards at the top you turn it over they get a deflection in two three dribbles. They had to real Easy basket easy basket easy basket. I thought I thought like you said, I thought they played

They played right into okc hand this game was very big I said, okay, we might have a game cuz I was hoping after game 7 It used to be oh game 7 game 7 man game 7 has been being blowouts lately. So that being said now Let's go back to our originally scheduled programming. I thought we were going to have a really good game, Nick. I really did at the half. They were playing really well. And then with like four minutes into the third quarter, OKC stepped on the gas. And what was a four point lead for Minnesota?

All of a sudden, all of a sudden turned into a three point lead for OKC, a seven point lead. And next thing you know, it's 12. Yeah. Yeah. I saw a quick adjustment, though, in the second half from the first half. And that was from OKC's offense. They moved the ball at a different position as the start. So the whole game,

Minnesota's offense started out so high out on the court and they never adjusted. OKC was pretty much playing the same way in the first half. But the coach went in, made some adjustments, started the offense a little bit, from the top to the corner, then back up to the top and they created a little bit more space. Then guys, once you get that space, man, you're able to knock down them open shots.

And in Minnesota, they never had space all night. It was always clogged up for those guys. First of all, they're going to contest everything because they got, because at worst case scenario, you're going to have three defenders on the court. I didn't even mention Caruso, who might be arguing with their best defender. When you look at him and what he does as far as taking trap charges as far as guarding the perimeter Guarding the big it does not matter. We saw what the number what he did with Yoke They played an old boxing one Nick

I can't remember the last time you saw boxing what had to be high school But they played a boxing one primarily the entire game and he did an unbelievable job No, look, you know would feel for him on his left for the next day You know, he's already in front of him going to the right. He feel touch him on the right now he's back to the left. He did a great job of that and so when you look at what OKC has of their 12, 13 guys that primarily played, six of them can defend at an extremely high level. You're not gonna find that anywhere else in the NBA when you could come off the bench

and you got four guys that can defend at an elite level and they can defend at the wing position, which very few teams have wing defenders. Everybody, I want a three and D guy. How many three and D guys they got? They got Caruso, they got Williams, they got Dork, they got Wallace, they got Wiggins. I mean, they're loaded at that position. And you got two big guys that will protect the rim. They rebounded, understand their job to the fullest. OKC's gonna be a tough out. And I agree with you, Nick.

I think they're gonna have to look. Chris Finch is very good. I think he was named coach of the year a couple years back. Has he had to be coach of the year? couple years back is he having to be coaching you? Oh Ash, Ash oh oh oh you got cigar ash on your face. I do? Yeah your name Mocho right? Hey I appreciate you man I appreciate you cuz that's some damn you, because that messed up damn makeup. I got on Fenty right now too. I don't know what it is, but you need to get it off.

But I look, I'm good now? Yes. So Nick, the big adjustment, even with that adjustment, do you think the wolves have enough to deal with the thunder? I think it's going to be a long series. And I think they do. Like I said, I think they are going to make them adjustments.

First fence in the coaching staff, they don't go watch film and, and they're going to see all the mistakes that they made offensively. And you know, you, you made a good point about, you know, OKC's perimeter defenders, their wing defenders. And what makes them even better is they're good team defenders. Yeah, sometimes these guys can be good on-ball defenders and they can just stick to their man and not be in help position, not be in dig position.

You know what I'm saying? Those guys, not only do they defend the ball good, they defend the help side good. And that makes it even tougher to go against them guys. But Minnesota, they have enough. They have enough to make it an even series good and that makes them makes it even tougher to go against them guys. But Minnesota they have enough, they have enough to make it an even series and you know I'm not too much worried about that game one because game one is like Ocho said earlier it's a fill out you know so now they got to go and make their adjustments.

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I was thinking, Nick, because the Thunder just got out of the extended series, seven long games, a short day of rest. Minnesota, they've been resting, they've been off damn near a week. I was like, man, they're about to come in and run up and down the court. But it looked like that. It looked like it was reversed. Those guys were the guys that had heavy legs, and OKC was getting up and down the court. You know, I never figured that out because that's always been a thing, right?

They'd be like, well, they got rest. They're going to be well rested. Well, sometimes more fucking you too tired. And that other team that just came out that game seven, guess what? They in the flow, right? It can work against who knows how it really works. You know what I'm saying? And, uh, tonight I was expecting OKC to come out the way they did slow.

They came out real slow. But they did that because Minnesota didn't do anything. So as they came out slow, you know, at some point, OKC was going to pick it up. I was just like, damn, OKC fans, they sitting on their hands right now. Minnesota got to take advantage of that. And they never did. Well, hold on Nick, you say you say the game going going seven right? I think it's gonna be a long series though, Joe.

It's gonna be a long series, but I want to know who you got. I like Minnesota. Like the Wolves? Okay. Okay. Okay. You know, you know your business. You know your business. I like Minnesota. But I'm gonna tell you this though. So all four of these teams that's in the playoffs. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know, you know, you're business, you know, you're business Minnesota, but I'm gonna tell you this though. So all four of these teams that's in the playoffs, man, anybody can win it. Anybody who won the championship. That's, that's the beauty of this one. So it ain't like there's no clear cut favorite, you know, any other team you can be on the latest favorite or Boston favorite. This is, you got four teams in this thing right now that they all can win it. So I like that

Nick you had a story we was talking off camera. You say you got a story to tell you want to tell the story What's the story? Both of y'all man. Both of y'all play me like I was a little peon man Me also a couple years ago, oh Joe, I'm walking through the Cincinnati Airport Yeah, got to Shade Zone. You probably couldn't see, you know what I'm saying? And you walking so goddamn fast. I'm like, I'm dealing with Ocho.

You hit me with you and you walk us on looking behind him. Like, damn, is Ray Lewis chasing you or something? And then I had to call you. I had to call you and say, no, he just walked through this. Yeah. Yeah. That was me. I said, I just walked by right by you. I, oh, okay. And I, and I know I did not probably, was he just walking through this? He said, yeah, yeah, that was me. I said, I just walked by, right by you. He's like, oh, okay.

And I, and I know I, and I probably said, oh, I ain't know. I'm probably late for my flight. See the funny thing about it. That's messed up though, man. That's messed up. What you want me to do? I'm just saying, man, you go away, man, you treating me like, like, God damn. Hold on.

But one, you got to understand, Nick, you said I had my sunglasses on, right? Then you said I was walking fast. So if I got my sunglasses on and I'm walking fast, that mean I'm late for my goddamn spirit flight. You see how you do me, huh? I saw that. But you did me dirty, too, huh? Where was I at? We was in Vegas at 8 at the cigar bar.

That is right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, it's dark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I got my drink, my new drink. It just came out right about three, four. Yes. Yes. I got my new drink. I'm going to run up to the room.

I'm going to grab a couple bottles. I said, OK, cool. So we sitting over there smoking. You walk in with you, have about three bottles with you. You in the VIP room, of course. You know, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that might have been 2020 to 2021. bottles with you you you're in the VIP room of course you know yeah I've been 20 22 20 21 mm-hmm yeah you can't wait for the water maybe 20 22 yeah you can't

that little about three four bottles I'm sitting there with my guys we know we sitting there smoking you you came in with the bottles you looked at me and they went straight to the room I'm like that well maybe he won't come out and bring me a little glass or something so about five minutes go by room. I'm like, damn, well, maybe he gonna come out and bring me a little glass or something. So about five minutes go by, you know what I'm saying? I go up to the door, the goddamn door lock. I'm like, damn, am I knocking on the door? They go, brought a security guard. Hey, I'm trying to get a little bit of that drink.

He's like, no, we ain't having no guests. And close the door. Oh, he closed the door? Close, close the door. Damn. I ain't know all that, that's on me. But you know what we gonna do now. I'm gonna get you a couple of bottles.

I'm gonna get your information and I'm gonna get you a couple of bottles to make sure you know what the best tasting VSOP Cognac on the market, let you see what it tastes like and you can judge it for yourself. But that's on me. That's on me.

Appreciate that. See that was bad. That was bad. That was Nick. I apologize. See I had on sunglasses. What the hell I just said? I'm gonna get him some kind of damn damn damn apology. He talking about I walked by him in the airport. At least I was going to a flight and I was late and I didn't realize it was him. Because you know I'm like 6'5 so I ain't seen. But that's the difference. So you did him real dirty cuz you had security. I don't I don't got security The cigar eight cigar eight has security. I have no damn security when you ever

My man he cracked the door God damn it! I see how you do it. Hey, they had me, I couldn't get in there for a minute. I said, man, you know what I mean. Hey, Nick, you know how it be when they Hollywood. They reach the tax bracket, they start acting funny. I know. That was understated. That was understated. That was understated, man.

Hey, check this out. For the first time since 2021, That was under-scooted though, man. Hey, check this out. For the first time since 2021, the 2020-21 season, the Boston Celtics will not be in the Eastern Conference Finals. During a recent conversation with Steve Nash on Mind the Game podcast, LeBron said he thinks the Celtics got bored. It seems like sometimes it seemed like they got bored

sometimes with the, I don't want to say say the process because I mean, ish. They are who they are. When you look at Tatum, you look at Brown, this is the year, year to year, and they punched their 10,000 hours. But sometimes it seems like they got a little bored because of how great they are. Not only do those two individuals, but as a team,

sometimes it looked like they got bored. How you get bored? They won one championship. I can see if they won like three, they went back to back like Shaq and Kobe Lakers or like the Bulls in the 90s. Or let's just say for the sake of our, they were like the Cavaliers,

eight straight finals, six straight finals. How the hell you get bored? You won one championship. I don't think they got bored. I just think- I think they got the ass whiplash. Eight straight finals, six straight finals. How the hell you get bored? You won one championship. I don't think they got bored. I just think that- I think they got their ass whipped. I think they lost. I mean, you look at the first two games, they up a dub.

They up 20? Yeah, you're right. You're supposed to win that game. You're right, okay. So you ain't getting bored. You got bored with the game and you kept taking them bad ass threes as opposed. Yes.

Touching the paint and taking threes. You want to you want to take did a step back threes with the defense guard and contest and then you got the other four guys inside ready to rebound. And then New York, you play right into their hands. They they got an assassin, you know, Jaylen Bernstein, fourth quarter assassin. So they I don't think they was bored with the series or they couldn't have been bored winning, like you said. I just think they got bored during those two games.

But at the end of the day, they are a dub in games one and two. Hey, Nick, I asked Uncle Tu, I told Uncle Tu and Iso Joe, and I was saying, listen, everything they do is one-dimensional. Why not run plays? Why not do something else? And listen, they say they live and they do is one dimensional. Why not run plays? Why not do something else? And listen, they say they live, they live and they die by the three. They die. That's how they gonna play.

Because here's the thing, Ocho, because if you look at it, the Knicks want to play, all the Knicks saying, let us get to the last five minutes of the game. We believe with Brunson, who we believe is the best clutch player in the NBA. We believe if we can get you to the last five minutes of the game. We believe with Brunson, who we believe is the best clutch player in the NBA, we believe if we can get you to the last five minutes of the ball game and the game is close, we can beat you. You see the problem the Celtics have, once those threes don't start falling, it's hard for them to get into a set

in the last five minutes of the game because they really haven't run a whole lot of sets to begin with. It's three, eight. JB, it's your turn to take two, three, threes in a row down. All right, JT, you up next. Okay, Derrick White, what you got for us?

Al Horford. So, and the thing is, it's hard when you really haven't run a whole lot of offense. Now all of a sudden, Ocho, it's like you. Hey bro, let me touch the ball early. Now Ocho, they came to you the whole game, four court. All right, Ocho, what you like? I like for this game to be over

because y'all been digging around the whole day and now y'all want me to work magic. Well, that's the Celtics. Y'all been dilly-dallying around. Y'all taking 50, 63s. Now in the last two, three minutes of the ball game and you need the runner set, you're not conditioned, you're not wired to run anything.

You still want to run behind that three-point line and jack up a shot and it caught up with him big facts big facts I was saying that throughout you know this season like yes it's cute in the regular season you can get away with it it's cute but what Ocho just said as you go deeper in the playoff the teams get better you know you're saying if they in the first round they go up 20 they may and they go down 10 or whatever they probably come back and still win that game but when they played against the Knicks a team that's a grimy greedy team it's gonna be a little bit tougher you gonna have to you gonna have to change the way of thinking

that's exactly right and the thing is like you said oh they took the most threes they made the most threes, like you said, oh, they took the most threes. They made the most threes. Okay, like you said, okay, you play in Orlando one night, you at Miami the next night, then you come up to the East Coast trip. You got Charlotte, Atlanta. Now we are a seven game series. You got two games here.

You ain't got nobody going nowhere. We locked in. We know what you do. You know, we do Okay execute it comes down to execute it over. I honestly I hate watching the Celtics play Cuz all I know they gonna jack up a whole bunch of badass threes now if they go in Oh the Celtics That's the new era. That's the new wave. Okay Y'all keep on thinking y'all Stephen Clay You see where they get you. Even in game four in New York, you know, before Jason Taylor went down, they was about to

lose that game. They lost them. They were going to lose, yes. They started jacking again. JTA 42-40 went down. They was already down five or six. Yep. Yep.

And we know in a close ball game against the Knicks, the reason why they blew out the Knicks in game three. But in game four, and we had already saw the blueprint because they had that big lead in game four, we saw them have the big lead in game one and two, and what happened? Slow walked them down. Because here's the thing,

that three point shotting is a blessing and a curse because you can get a big lead. Nick, you know when you first got to the thing, that three point shotting is a blessing and a curse, because you can get a big lead. Mick, you know when you first got to the lead, teams got 20, 20, 25 point leads, it wasn't no coming back. You might get one, two comebacks a year. Now, with the three point shot, you go cold and then you up 20,

you go cold from the three and you take a couple of bad threes. Now all of a sudden they hit three in a row, get an M1 and a layup. Now 20 point lead is down to six. Now you looking like, damn, what happened? What happened is that you kept taking bad shots. You didn't run any time and you taking threes early in the shot clock.

16 seconds on the clock and you letting the three go. You get that. I saw them get a situation, Nick. They shot a three. They missed it Got the rebound kicked it out Got it got the rebound again. They died passed it to the corner Al shot it got the rebound again. I said well damn if somebody go like say, oh, whoa. Whoa, let's know this thing down Let's get a good shot. Hey, let's hey one-point flat. Let's run

Roll let me see that form again Now we look we pulled up the Georgia High School's Association I'm one of the few guys that's ever scored 50 points in the ball game. I ain't telling you what I am in a triple double. I got, I can show you the clips. Shadow Charlotte, Glenville high to 31 points, 19 rebounds, 52 points, 37, 36. I got it. Let me, let me ask you this.

So, so your co-host, right? He'd be doing, he'd be doing a lot of like, he did, he did. Who, y'all two one on one, who I need to bet on? Man, Uncle Joe can't play no basketball, Nick. We got NBA players can't even beat me playing. You talking about me playing, Uncle. Man, why you tighten up, man, tighten up. This is what I do. Nick, I asked you to play me.

What's the first thing you said? Oh, nah, I'm good. I'm good. What we talking about? I mean, like, that's like me asking you, like, let's run some rounds, man. I'm gonna check you, like, come on, man. I ain't finna waste my time on you, man.

I may get hurt, man. I ain't got time for that, man. I'm trying to break off. I mean, you go get hurt anyway. Doing anything with me competitive. This is what I do. Like, I'm a better basketball player than a football player. I just happened to take the route of football, that's all.

That's my story. That's my story. Hey, I'm sorry. Hey, I'm sorry. I was a better basketball player than football. Here you go. Hey, Nick, in high school, right? You know, I went to Miami Beach, right?

Listen, every time we played, Nick, I was 56, 12 and 10. A bad night for me was probably 48. Nah, nah, nah. If you say quick, man, you know what? I was like 32, nine and eight. That's more believable. Nah, nah, nah.

All that 56, the greats in the NBA ain't need to do that in high school, man. Like you say, that's some crazy numbers. The numbers is crazy. You talking about the greats the greats in NBA and everything? Not like that. But they they wasn't me in high school. That's what does that tell you? They wasn't me. Man, he probably everybody he probably came off the bench.

Who came off the bench? You. I mean it's a lot of teams in NBA right now can use me coming off the bench. Nah anybody can use you coming off the bench? You. I mean, it's a lot of teams at NBA right now can use me coming off the bench. Nah, anybody can use you coming out the bench. You crazy here, man. Maybe coming out the bench to get them towels or get their jacket, make sure their jacket turned right side out. They don't need you for anything.

They don't need you for anything else. Nick, play me one on one. Play me one on one. I got you. Nick, don't waste your time. So the last time I hooked, right? The last time I hooked, I was coaching with the Atlanta Hawks and I hadn't hooked in years, man. And the only reason I said I ain't hooking no more

because I don't want to have no more knee service. So, oh, your knees messed up. So the damn, so the damn assistant coaches and, you know, managers and this shit, they, they just chirping all year. They chirp around December 21, December 22. I'm like, you know what? We, we, we feel in a hoop today. So I went out there and hope man, next thing you know, I call my quiet.

Hey, yeah. And I did it on the simplest move that you can ever think of. Did you snap? I was like, Oh man, I'm done. I ain't ever. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's balling me. The muscles are ligaments.

We're playing some horse. Nah, I ain't the horse type. I need to be moving. I need to be active. Hey, Nick, the muscles and tendons, they don't have the elasticity they once had. Come on, man. They, they, mm-mm. I ain't getting out of there anyway, because I already got both heels replaced and I ain't trying to get nothing else replaced. Come on man. I ain't getting out there anyway

cause I already got both heels replaced and I ain't trying to get nothing else replaced. No sir, no sir. Man you played our sports hard. Yeah. So we had surgeries, we beat up till we played hard. Some people ain't really, they still run on tracks and all that shit.

Yes, I do all that. You know what y'all got hurt? Y'all know y'all got hurt because your bones weak, because your nutrition was bad. That's the problem. Yeah. You, you ain't never built a callus in your body. Eating all that healthy shit. That's the problem. That's what's wrong with you.

I ain't eating though. I did. We ain't eating. I did from 93 on, I did healthy. Not the first three years, but the last 11 years, yes. See, that's the problem. The last 11 years is why you need hip surgery.

First of all, I played longer than you did. I played 11 years, how long you played? 14. Well, hold on, I played actually 13, because I played in Mexico and I played in Canada 14 see you still they play 14 Well, I played flag football and you only played one year college You've been eligible for two years. Yeah. Yeah. I was a knucklehead

No, you got one year Juco. You got year at Juco and one year of Oregon State. No, I got two years at Juco. You got two years at Juco? Well, you gotta count length. You gotta count length from university to university. Bro, you got kicked out. I know, but it still count. No, it don't count.

You didn't play. It still count. I was there. It only counts. I'm in the yearbook. How you gonna count something when you didn't do it? I'm in the yearbook. How you gonna count something when you didn't do it? I'm in the yearbook. But you didn't play.

I can't say I joined the army just because I went down to take the recruiting test. No, I got to be in the army. Yes, you can. They give you a shirt. If you get you a shirt, that means you was a part of the army. No, they didn't give me no shirt.

I was gonna go down to the office. I ain't nothing, signed nothing. Check this out. Let me know what you think about this, Nick. D-Way was not impressed by Jimmy Butler's performance against the Timberwolves. I think the thing with Jimmy is, I didn't like the way he approached the game.

I know Jimmy is a past first guy. I know he's about getting his teammate the ball, and I want to see them shine. But it's a point where you're getting 60 million. This ain't working. You gotta go. And he won't look at the basket I've seen this before and I've seen it in a heat jersey Jimmy's too good of a basketball player to not have his imprint on the game and sorry sir when it's time for you to take over

you just have to and even if you can't do it from the standpoint of you ain't you ain't making no shots I don't't care. Shoot bad offense. If you're not shooting good to close at the paint, but not getting the ball up to the basket. That's just bad offense. What do you think about D way to say about what he saw from Jimmy Butler in the, in the warrior's uniform, minus Steph? Is there any credence to what D way to say it? Steph, is there any credence to what D-Way to say it? I agree a thousand percent. And, and the reason is because I've seen them do it too much. You know what I'm saying? Because I think Jimmy is a guy. If Jimmy wanted to, he can be up there as a scoring leader in the NBA for a season. If he wanted to, but he has the mindset of he's not in the kill mode all the time.

And what D Wade and what Pat Riley was saying, you know, for Jimmy is like, we're paying you that money to be that guy, to be 25, 27 a night, not just in the playoffs, because if you don't want to do it in a regular season, we in the playing games. Yeah. And we got Jimmy Butler, you know, making his bread. He deserves it. Took him to two finals. He deserves the bread.

But as a franchise, we see you as being a guy who is the guy and we need you to do that. And I've been saying that for years about Jimmy. And I think he's a hell of a player, you know, and you down the set at best. He's a smart player because what Jimmy did and I played against him is when I was coaching with the Hawks in the playoffs, man, this dude wasn't doing none but taking the ball to the basket and making the layups. And to me, if you're able to do that, it's some form of intimidation from the other side to where they keep letting you get to the goddamn basket and shoot fucking

layups, like you got to put a body on somebody at some point, but he, he lived in the paint and was just finishing. And I think Jimmy, if he wanted to, he can do that every night, if he wanted to. So I agree with what D-Way said, but I love Jimmy's game. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary.

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We see him go on the road and do what they did to the Celtics we saw what they did to uh Milwaukee We know what he's capable of doing but at this point in time when we play you 60 million We know we don't want magic Johnson. We don't want John Stockton We won't Michael We won't we won't guys that's going to Kobe. We want you to have that mentality.

Damn the rest of them because the rest of them can't make enough shots in order to win the game. Their imprint is not going to win you the game. And plus they're not the guys making 60 million. We playing you 60 million. Hey Nick, is there at any point at a player with Jimmy's caliber when you're making that kind of money and we know what you can do and you're not doing it, do you think injury comes into play

where you become gun shy and don't want to pull the trigger and shooting? Because if you do lose the game, it got the onus of it and losing is because of you. And you lose a little bit of confidence. I won't think so, man, because Jimmy, I've seen him play like that and then come right back and do his thing.

It's like when Steph went down, he had a big game in Golden State. You know what I mean? They needed him. So he's very capable of doing it. I don't know if it's a mental thing. You know, I just don't want to go out here and shoot 20 shots. I don't want to feel like I and shoot 20 shots. I don't feel like I'm a ball or whatever it is But if I'm on Jimmy Butler's team and I'm the point guard

Hey dog, you gotta see that thing about 25 times tonight. You got yes, we got to You notice we'll never say that about shape. We don't never say it was shame and it wasn't aggressive enough man She ain't get enough shots up. She ain't gonna be in the 20s Mm-hmm. Hell, he might be in the thirties. And that's the approach Jimmy needs to take. We saw Jimmy, what was that game against Milwaukee? He had like 56, 57. He couldn't miss.

Super aggressive. We watched him in game five. Was it game five? Yeah, game five. We watched him in game five. He go toe to toe with LeBron. Everything LeBron, LeBron had a triple double. You saw that one where he's leaning on the table? He's exhausted. But he getting to it, he ain't passing ish.

He's shooting the basketball. He getting in the paint. He drawing fouls. Now all of a sudden, I'm cool being Robin. Nah, bro. Robin, hey, Robin didn't have nothing but a suit. He didn't have no Robin. Where's Robin belt? Robin ain't got no car. He ain't got no Robin mobile. He ain't got no butler. Nah, hell nah.

We need you to be Batman. Cause Superman is out. So you need to step up. Ain't no more Robin. But Robin got the little things on his eyes though, right? When the last time you saw them make a series about Robin? I see all these Batmans and they not one of them. All the Batmans that are made,

ain't none of them had no Robin in it. Okay, but he Alfred then? Nah, hell nah. He need to be Steph Curry's Superman. We need another superhero. What the comic book with Robin in it? I ain't never seen no comic book with Robin. You ever seen a comic book with just Robin?

Especially when Steph was out, man. That's what I'm saying! Okay, so when he got you, his step to 15 to 20 games next year, I'm gonna step the dial. That's what I'm saying. Okay, we winning got you. If Steph. For that reason. 15 to 20 games next year, and you're healthy, this is why we got you, so we can stay in that three to six spot. You know what I'm saying?

This is why we got you, so we can stay right there. We don't, we didn't get you for, if Steph goes out, now we gonna slid to the ninth and tenth spot. You know what I'm saying? So in order for us to stay at the three, six spot or win playoff games without Steph, he gotta be Batman.

Gotta be. He's gotta be the super. He has to take the same approach. I mean, look, I understand that his role somewhat changes on a team with Steph, but I gotta have that same mindset. That hey, man, Steph ain't in. I gotta have that, that same mindset. I don't change, you know what I'm saying? Cause Steph is going to be Steph. Right.

And Steph is going to need you to take that load off. So if you still shoot 20 with them, you, you don't take as Jimmy Butler. He don't take bad shots. So you still can get up 20 shots. And we, as we gonna live with that because we know they're not gonna be crazy Shots, you know, right? So even if Stefan's there you still can do your thing Cuz we look at our game won't you remember we had the game Jimmy took nine shots Jimmy had another game He took 11 shots. What the hell is that? Yeah took nine shots. Jimmy had another game. He took 11 shots. What the hell is that? Yeah. Guys off the bench, you got Paz, he's getting up 18, 19 shots and you

commingled, getting up 20 shots and you been to tell me you supposed to be the guy you making 60 million and you getting the ball up nine times? And you not getting to the free throw line. So at least, okay, you would take nine shots. Okay. Get to the free throw line 20 times, get to the free throw line 15, 17 times. Okay. I can understand nine shots. You see what you call a, a, a, a shade, shade got up 27 shots and still got to the fire line 14 times. You know what, you know what else Nick and all about, about Jimmy, he don't take bad shots. He don't He don't take bad shots. He don't take ill advised shots.

He's gonna always, he's gonna always either facilitate to somebody else or take the right shot. Yeah. Always. He's always been that way. Now when he put that mother fucker on the floor, oh my bad, when he put the ball on the floor and he wanna put his head down and go to the basket,

he gonna do just that that no matter who it is But it's not sure. I asked that's why I think he was injured. I think he was injured and he just didn't say anything I said everybody injured right now Exactly, everybody in there. I don't play the book as load of games. Oh Joe. You figured they got 82 They don't play they within the play-in tournament The Warriors were. They got past the first round with seven games. Yeah, everybody's exhausted.

Yep, everybody. During Sunday's game seven, between the Thunder and the Nuggets, Trey Young took the X with a subtle jab at Knicks fans. Hot take, but not. OKC fans are louder than Knick fans. Happy Sunday. Nick, I don't know if you played in that arena,

they might've shut that down by the time, by the time, by the time you got, nah, you might've played there. And then, what is it? You think I ain't that old, man? Hold on, hold on, Nick. Hold on, Nick. First of all, you played 13. But I played in that arena, man. Hold on, hold on, Nick. Hold on, Nick. First of all, you played 13.

I played in that arena, man. God damn it. You came in a couple of years after me, Nick. I retired in 06, man. They came. I got a few years in that arena. Chris Paul was over there. He crossed me up about five times in one play.

He was over there. Yeah. Well, over there. Yeah. I played in seven. Hold on. No, Nick, they couldn't have been there cause they didn't move until 08. They had the Hornets, remember the New Orleans or somebody going over there, they had a ticket over there.

Okay, okay, okay. That might've been a situation. Nah, but they played in San Antonio. Nah. You talking about with Katrina? They played in OKC. It was OKC. They might have did. But I know the Supersonics, I don't think the Supersonics moved to KD's second year.

Right, right. KD came in in 08 and I think they moved in 09. Mm-hmm. Yeah, they, they, uh. They moved in 08? Okay, KD was drafted in 07 and then they moved in 08, which was Russ's rookie year. Cause Harden came in 09.

Okay. So how loud, I mean, look, you, so I know you played in MSG and you played in a lot of arenas. Is OKC the loudest, one of the loudest? Is there any truth to what Trey Young was saying? Yeah, it's definitely one of the loudest. I don't know if, I never played them in a playoff, so that'd be different.

When you talk about NBA arenas, like that gives you a college feel. Yes. And most of the time college arenas are more loud and more brunk, you know what I'm saying? More high. And OKC gives you that, that, that college atmosphere and they get up and they cheer, they got their little chance and everything.

So OKC definitely is, is consistently loud. You know what I'm saying? There's, there's a lot of arenas where a team can stink and it ain't as loud. They only get loud when that team is winning. They got a good record. But OKC is consistently loud. And plus like there's nothing else going on in OKC. What you gonna see in OKC?

You ain't finna see no NFL game. You not finna see no MLB game. You not finna see hockey. And it ain't football season. So you got a long way of time to wait to go see the Sooners or the Cowboys. So now what? Yeah.

So that's all you got. And a lot of times, it's kinda like Green Bay. What else are you going to do? Hey, hey, hey, hey, we'll do that, we'll do that. What else are you gonna do? We'll do that, we'll do that. You see, the Lakers, you know, the Lakers, I mean, look, you got, I mean, you got all everything going on, you got the Cl see, you know, the Lakers, I mean, look, you got,

I mean, you got everything going on. You got the Clippers, you know, they ain't making no noise, you know, they ain't doing nothing. But you got the Kings, you got the Dodgers. I mean, you got, you know, you got Venice Beach, you got Samo, you got Malibu, man, you got all that. And the people that buy the stuff, like,

it's not like MSGG you look at those guys man Tracy Tracy Morgan going crazy spike going crazy But was it been still been still been stiller you see those slams are going crazy. Mm-hmm Ain't like that that they like that LA now I come out get a crump yeah I get a crump you know I get I get crump they get into the game the halftime in LA and then after half oh that's Miami they get to the C's in the middle of the third quarter they leaving how I said Miami you know they don't get there till the third quarter yeah yeah yeah oh wait wait and don't be losing. They gonna leave early.

Oh, well you saw what happened when they, when Ray Allen hit that shot, everybody tried to come back in to get it. They like, trying to come in. They like, trying to come in. They like, trying to come in. They all know, lock the door when people trying to get back in.

Yeah. But when you think about it, so how, because you hear it like, okay, role players play better at home. Uh, the crowds will get you into it. How important is it to keep the crowd at bay when you're on the road in a playoff series? Nick?

It's huge. It's huge. And I thought Minnesota did a great job in the first half because that's one of the things I was paying attention to is they ain't letting the crowd affect the game. But you know, once that's that second half came and they made that first run, you pretty much knew it was going to be downhill. Be just because of the offense. The offense was just so stagnant and, and we know, okay, see, you know,

they get them steals and deflections and the easy, easy, fast break points, get the crowd going. It's going to be tough, man. So anytime you can keep the crowd chilling to where they not affected, that's going to be big for the road team. Shaq added fuel to the NBA draft lottery, computer conspiracy theories. He shared the details of a conversation between himself and then-commissioner David Stern that occurred three months before the 1992 draft. Stern says to me, hey, can't wait for you to come to the NBA.

Then he pulled me off to the side. You want to play where it's cold or where it's hot? He asked me that. Yeah, he did. He asked me that. And I was like, hot. And he smiled, and I smiled. Shaq ultimately got his wish when Orlando won that year's lottery with Charlotte

and Minnesota getting the second and third picks, respectively. You hear a lot of conspiracy theories and there are a lot of situations that can make these such a sound good and sound true. It's very interesting how it's all played out. Nick, is the NBA draft lottery rigged? Nick is the NBA draft lottery rigged? You. So we just talked about this on my pod.

Uh, quick to the point, Nick, my next part, quick to the point. Check it out. Uh, you think, but we, we, we just talked about this because I've thought in the past, it seemed a little fishy, you know what I'm saying? But this one, this one, I can't say so because you, you, you want to help a situation to where you think that player is going to really elevate that city. Right. Right. And to me, Cooper Flayers, he, he would have been perfect in Utah.

You can't tell me no different. He would have been perfect in Utah and Dallas, they already got a championship team. They come back healthy. They, by the time January, February come around and they are healthy, we're going to be talking about Dallas as a championship contending team. So with them getting that number one pick and, you know, Cooper flag, of course, you know, being the number one pick that everybody says Cooper flag may not even come in and help them right away in the playoffs.

You know what I'm saying? That's a that's a real thing. He may not help them in the playoffs and him going in Utah in my eyes was the ideal situation. So I can't see this one being a fix. That's just me. Now, that's definitely a fix, Nick. That's definitely a fix. Look, I mean, come on now. Just a coincidence.

They get rid of Luke, right? And just so happened of all teams that are in the larger to get the number one pick, it just so happened coincidentally is Dallas. OK, I mean, I mean, let me ask you this. Honestly, honestly, it's so happened coincidentally is Dallas. Okay, let me ask you this. Honestly, honestly, it's so obvious. Okay, let me ask you this, why? But what's the point for the NBA to do that? Like, what's the point?

I have no idea. We would never know what the point is. I mean, me personally, I would never know what the point is, but obviously here with the Luka, and all of a sudden, I would never know what the point is, but obviously, if you're with a Luca, and all of a sudden you have nothing left, you got Adia's gonna be by herself, Katie, I mean not Katie,

Kyrie's coming back at some point when he gets a little bit off his ACL, then there's nothing else. Yeah, see, everybody I talk to about it, they don't have a real, like, the reasoning for, you know what I'm saying, that is great. Because we don't know the reason. We don't know the reason for we just know it makes no sense.

And it's too common. You will say something like, well, they gave up Luca to the Lakers. Now the Lakers, we gave them another future player, you know, after Lebron leads and now we're going to do this favor for you guys. I don't see that. You know what I'm saying? It took because they already a championship team if they come back healthy So that's that's just my thinking like I've thought before the David Robertson San Antonio

Yeah, Tim Duncan San Antonio, you know, they're Cleveland LeBron like I've thought some before but this one You couldn't you couldn't tell me that the number one pick won't go into Utah and Cooper Flats It's gonna be in Utah next year just because of Poxy. So people feel the same thing with Zion. Zion going to New Orleans the same year they lost AD. Well, everybody swore, if they don't think anything else would rig, in 85, the first year they had the lottery, and Patrick Ewing going to the Knicks, they swear that was a rig.

Now, see, you can say like, New York, big media market, we need a big time player. You know what I'm saying? Like they have a reason to say that for that. Right. Ocho ain't gave me no reason yet, so I can't roll with you Ocho. I know you can't roll with me, to me it just,

just, you know, if it's smoked, there's a fire somewhere. And when it comes to that one, I could be wrong, but it's just, it's too close. It's too close. Okay. Kendrick Perkins called out Donovan Mitchell saying, hey Donovan, a Donovan Mitchell led team has never been to the conference finals.

Donovan Mitchell, you got a coach fired. You got JB Bickerstaff fired. This is a fact. You had no communication with that man while he was there. So you didn't like him. Right. As soon as he got fired, you signed a contract extension, right? You extended with the Cavs.

Nick, is there any truth to what Big Perk is saying? I think Big Perk, you know, is entitled to his opinion. Yes. I'm saying, and I'll say a little truth to that, but here's my thinking on that. When you get rid of J.D. Bickerstad, you substituted a defensive, gritty, you know what I'm saying, we're gonna come at you kind of a coach, you know

what I'm saying? That took Cleveland from where they were nothing and started building that thing up to, yes, they got an identity, right? And Kenny Atkinson, Kenny Atkinson is a great coach. I worked with him in Atlanta. He's a great coach, great with the X's and O's, but he's more of an offensive-minded coach, right? Yeah. He's more of a laid back. You can see his demeanor on the sideline. He's more of a laid back players kind of a coach.

Well, Jamie, he ain't no hats in the meetings. You know what I'm saying? We still gonna do defensive slides in practice. You know what I'm saying? So he created an identity that to me, I think they lost. I think they wanted more offense and they lost their grit, their griminess and they lost to a team in Indiana who I thought was gonna beat them anyway

because of the way they played. But Garland sat out again, Hunter sat out again, the big guy, Mowgli sat out again. Hunter sat out again. The big guy, Mowgli sat out again. Like, I don't think they sit out those games if they got that greediness still in them with a culture like that. You know what I'm saying? So it's untrue to what Perk is saying, but I'm not going to come at my man like that because I think he bald his butt off. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes you, you need some help. You need some help, but I think they substituted office for defense and they

lost a lot of that greenness with, with coach bigger staff. Love. Well, at some point in time, Dom is going to have to get a team to the conference finals because he's had the better team on several occasions. Uh, you win 60, 64 games this year and you get bounced in the second round you lose all you lose three games at home We saw in Utah. He had great situations up Oh to I mean down had a team down to old the Clippers They lose So at some point time, if he's a superstar, that's what we do with superstars.

We put that blame. When KD didn't get it done, we blamed KD. When LeBron didn't get it done, we blamed LeBron. If Donovan Mitchell is a superstar, you can't win 64 games and go home. Lose three games. And lose three games at home. Three? Yeah, that was tough. That was tough. And then the way they lost game two was, you know, once they lost game two, you knew it was over. I knew it was over then.

It was over when they lost game two. Yeah. That just broke their spirit. It is. I mean, they had the game in hand in game one. Yeah. And they lost it. Yeah. You're like, okay, hey, one game.

Hey, you go back, we win game two. Now we go to Indiana, we get game. We back all square. And like you said, when Halliburton hit that shot, like nah, all right. You can know Halliburton, he from Wisconsin, right? Top player. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what we do. That's what we do. Hit big shots. Oh Lord, there we go. That's what we do. Hold, yeah. That's what we do. That's what we do, hit big shots. Oh Lord, there we go. That's what we do. Hold on, hold on, where you from? That's what we do, hit big shots.

You from Wisconsin? Mm-hmm. I ain't know that. Yeah, cheesy. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Don't be trying to talk about no Packers, none of that. We have one of the greatest receivers in history,

finally at college out in the parlor. Hey man, in history, Sponor. Hey, man, call it down to Paul. Hey, man, I appreciate it. Man, yeah, I mean, I'm sure, man. My man in the Harlem space is his numbers better than all other plays. 15 years, man, stop one. The volume. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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