Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Thunder up 3-1 on Timberwolves + Unc GOES OFF on Zion Williamson

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Game 4 of the NBA Western Conference Finals matchup between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder vs. Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves and much more!01:47 - Introduction04:36 - Timberwolves vs. Thunder29:54 - John Haliburton is back32:19 - Will Giannis stay in MIL?41:44 - Austin Reaves agent on trade rumors49:00 - Is Zion Williamson a bust?1:01:17 - Jaren Jackson Jr. lost out on $200m(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Volume Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap Ocho. We finally got an interesting game in the Western Conference Finals. Unfortunately if you're a Wolves fan it did not go in your favor. It did not end in your favor. It did not end in your favor. As OKC build an 11 point lead and they hold on to win 128 to 126 as they go home with a commanding three one lead. And they can end this thing on Wednesday night

and advance to the NBA Finals for the first time since 2012. Wow. Yeah. Chad Hongren and Jaylen Williams and Chad Hongren, their big three was sensational tonight. They gave them a combined 95 points. Again, thank you for joining us

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Shakey, OJC Alexander had a career playoff high 40 points nine rebounds ten assists He's almost he almost had a trip dub flirt flirted around and almost got a trip dub Yeah, the fourth player in WNBA history the 40 510 game in the Western Conference finals Julius Rathal in game four he was as abysmal as he was in game two five turnovers one bucket T was led the game and rebounds assists points off turnover fast break points points in the paint second chance point free throw attempt free throw make field goal percentage three point percentage free free throw percentage. Hmm. Everything. Every listen, every loss, everything crossed across the board, man.

I, what I don't understand what I don't understand. And I need somebody to help me understand that's more knowledgeable about the game of basketball than me. You mean to tell me, Ant Man, you guys got a chance to tie this thing up. If you don't tie it up, you go down three one and the likelihood of you coming back and winning three straight games with two of them being in OKC is not very good. And you have two shot attempts at the half. Yeah. Julius Ramlin, you have four shot attempts at the half. The one thing I can say about Shea Gilder, sir Alexander, in the postseason, he has not been efficient,

but he don't give a damn about efficiency. He's going to get shots up because the worst thing you can do is not shoot the basketball. Right. Because that way. He's going to get shots up because the worst thing you can do is not shoot the basketball. That way you're not going to get any points. Shays like, you know what? The worst thing that could happen. There's three things that could happen. I can make it. I can miss it. They can file me. Those are the three things that could happen. And he had 30 shot attempts tonight. He only had, he had 40 points, but he got to the line 14 times. You go look at, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jalen Williams, he had 24 shot attempts.

You look at Chad Hongren, he had 14 shot attempts. Those three, their big three combined for 95 points. Yeah. Ant-Man 16 points on five or 13. Julius Randall, five points on one or seven or three from the three point line. Mike Conley, six points. So in other words, 22, you got two starters, three starters, excuse me, and they gave you 27 points and you expect to win, beat that team, a team that won 68 games. No.

The bench players, Nas Reid, Devin Chimzo, Nikhilzo Nikhil Alexander Walker. They were the best players tonight Jayden Daniels played really well not a 15 from the floor 306 I but I don't know why Ant Man and Julius Reynola took the approach that they took the first half I have no idea the special for the game up to me It's to one the game is on the line. The series is on the line The fact is on the line. Well, the fact that you have four points you have five shots knowing that Anthony Edwards you have to be aggressive you got to you got to come you got to come out the same way you came out The previous game where you guys won

You aggressive you attack and listen what Anthony finished with? 16 points Five turnovers. Listen, not. One on seven from a three. Not in the game of this magnitude. Not in the game of this magnitude. And this I understand they made it very difficult. They made it very, very difficult.

The Thunder made it very difficult defensively. So what was happening, as soon as Anthony got the ball, most of the time, they trapped. He passed it out, then they give it right back to him. Then it was one on one from that point. You wait for your screen. They trapped LeBron. They trapped Kobe. They trapped Jordan. They trapped Steph. They trapped KD. They trapped... if he is what he said he is, he said he's the best player in basketball. I don't want to hear nothing about no traps. I don't want to make no excuses. You had two shots.

Yeah. Two shots. Two. You mean to tell me you... that defense is that good that they only allow you two shot attempts? Yeah. Two shots. Two. You mean to tell me that defense is that good that they only allow you two shot attempts? Yeah. Julius Randall, you mean to tell me their defense is that suffocating? They're only going to allow you four shot attempts in the first half? You two, the two best players on the Timberwolves got six shot attempts on Joe? Nah, man, I can't rock with that. The funny thing about it is, listen, it was 14 different league changes, right? Yeah.

Or it came down to the end of the game. The game was within reach. Yeah. The game was within reach for the Wolves, obviously, but execution down the stretch, especially those last two minutes where it came down to it, they didn't deliver. You got 64 points from your bench, Ocho. I mean, when you look at it, you look at Shannon Jr. He gave you 8, 2 or 3, 1 or 2 from the free throw line. Alexander Walker, 9 of 15, 5 of 8 from the three point line. That's 23 points.

Devin Chenzel, 7 of 11, 5 of 8, 2 or 2 from the free throw line. 21. Nas Reid, 3 or 4, 1 or 2, 4 or four from the free throw line, that's 11. So you got 64 points from your bench. You got 62 from your starters. I'm confused. Hey, I think that was 30. Let's see, 33, 32. Yeah, 32, 55, and nine is 64.

You had a hundred, you had a hundred and twenty six That's unacceptable John I just I wish I could tell you something better 35 151 57 62 yeah, hey listen I Obviously I picked the wolves. I picked the wolves to win this series actually I picked the wolves to actually make picked the Wolves to win this series. Actually, I had picked the Wolves to actually make it to the finals, obviously with my love and enthusiasm for Anthony Edwards as a player,

an individual, and what he brings to the game. And in thinking, well, me, you know, him being obviously the face of the NBA because he has that if factor that most players don't have to be that. But watching this OKC team tonight, and what I've come to learn in my short time enjoying the game of basketball,

the Thunder is the most complete team in the league. And the scary part about them, based on what I've seen and I've witnessed, they're only gonna get better. They're only gonna get better after this championship run. They have a great chance to obviously- But how you gonna keep it together?

That's what I'm going to say. They got the MVP, so they're legit. Now he's about to sign a four-year deal for 294, when he can wait until next year to sign a five-year deal for 380. Knowing him- Okay, Chet Hongren's about to come up. Yeah, but knowing SCA, with as much as he has going on off the court, I say he signed that four-year to be able to keep everybody together.

No, you're not still not. Because what you gonna do with Chet next year? That's a small market team, Mocho. Yeah. That's not New York. That's not LA. That's not Chicago. That's Oklahoma City. Okay? Jalen Williams. All them roleplayers that you got? Hmm. They gonna like, hey. Hold players, all them role players that you got.

They're going to like, Hey, hold on. I got a question for you now. Now about this, these role players, right? The glue guys and they have the MVP. A legit second option. Yeah. Jalen Williams plays sensational. He was sensational. You got two elite bigs, you know, I hate the word elite, but based on the way they goddamn playing, I'm just gonna say elite for the sake of the argument.

Then you have the blue-glides and the role players. Do they want to leave, understanding what you have, if you guys stay together? I want money. I want you all to eat them rings. So you mean to tell me I can go somewhere and make five to 20 million or I want to stay here to make three to six million. Mm. And it's, it's, it's an, who all is up? We know SGA got to get paid. Chet has to get paid next year, right? Yeah, this is, this is Chet third year. Yeah, because remember he missed his first year.

He came back last year. This is third year. So I think probably maybe they can do something this summer or they wait the next summer, whichever case. Uh, I think they just did something with Jalen Williams. So he said he's like, Hey, listen, I think they did some with Caruso also. You, you know, but for me, do you know how good this team actually is? Young?

Yeah. But that's what you do on Joe. If you keep this together, let's say they probably will win the title again. I love the Pacers. The Pacers are probably going to win that series against the Knicks, but there's no way the Pacers beat the OKC team we just saw tonight. They're too complete. Not only the starters, even the bench. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I hate that money comes into play, because when money comes into play, and I know you want to get paid. You want to get paid for what you do. But like you say, you can't eat them rings, but you can get you another two with the squad you got right now.

You rather have another two rings or a hundred million. Make it 60, 60 million. Because you're talking about guys. The rings are only going to impact shade, Hongren, Jalen Williams. When you get the roleplay, don't your rings don't impact nobody. Right. I mean, it's nice to have their nice conversation pieces, but you know, Jalen Williams. When you get the roleplayers on your rings, don't impact nobody. Right. I mean, they're nice to have.

They're nice conversation pieces. Right. But you know, the rings only matter to the elite. Because if rings actually matter, Robert Ory will be in the Hall of Fame. He got seven. And he was a contributor, a big contributor on all the teams. You go back and look at the two in Houston.

You go back and look at the, what do you have, three in LA. And then the two in San Antonio. He was a major, major contributor. He was contributing as equal, if not more, than any role player that's playing in the fight that's playing currently. And he did it. He hit big shots, played big in big moments, in all three stops. Now, we know a superstar got seven rings. We talking about he pantheon. So I think that's the thing. I just, I'm shocked.

I'm watching this game and I'm like, Ant, bro, you, you, you, hey, make something happen. Yeah. I know, I know, I know, know ocho you want to do the right thing But six assists with five turnovers isn't the right thing now If you tell me you have 12 assists 13 14 assists and five turnovers I can live with that right, but I can't live you Gotta go down. I'm swinging. I'm emptying the clip. Yeah But I can't live. You got to go down. I'm swinging. I'm emptying the clip.

Got to. I'm emptying whatever it is. The whole nine yards. That's the term they use because I guess they had nine yards of bullet. And they say they give them the whole nine yards. You know those strangle bullets. On that on the yet. As close as the game was towards the end, I really think there would be a difference. I think there would have been a difference in the game in the second half if there was a little bit more production offensively from Andy and Julie. It definitely would have been a huge difference. They were six. They were six. Julius Randall and Ant-Man were six or 20 from the floor.

They was one of 10 from the three. Ant Man was 6 of 20 from the floor. They was one of 10 from the three. Let me repeat that. They were 6 of 20 from the floor. They were 1 for 10 from the three. Now you go back and look at the games in which they've lost. Look at Ant's three-point field goal percentage.

I think he was 1 for 6, 1 for 7 in one game. He was 1 for nine in the second game And the second game he was one for seven in this game Look at Julius Ramlin Games two he was awful. He didn't even play the fourth quarter game three. He came back with a vengeance. He and ant Game four he was terrible again That's two games fifty percent of the games that he's played in, he's had single digit points. He's your second best player. You can't have, the mere fact that the game was this close when your second best player gave you five and your best player shot five of 13 and one of seven from the three point

line and gave you 16. The mere fact that you're in the ball game. Let you know how well the others played. Right. I need my big dogs to eat. And most of the... Alexander Walker. Uh, uh, Devin Chimzo. N-uh, uh, Nas Reed.

Alexander Walker was showing out tonight, huh? Jane Daniels. They played better than the two big guys. You can't have, it's hard. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's really hard. If your two best players play as poorly as Julius Randall and Ant-Man played, and your role players play that good. Because they played sensational. Like I said, you got 64 points from your bitch. You know how many boys that is, 64 from your bitch?

Yeah. Damn, man. They gonna be kicking themselves though, Joe, because this is the one that got away. Yeah. Hold on, hold on. What's the chances? Statistically, percentage of- They ain't got a hillbilly heartbeat. That's the chance. You got a better chance of winning the lottery in Miami.

If you fly to California and if you go to another state, they got the mega million of powerball. You got a better chance of hitting one of the three. Than them coming back and winning three games against that team. Yeah. God damn. Hey Alexander, welcome. and winning three games against that team. Yeah. God damn. Hey, Alexander Wolcombe, boy, he was, hey, he was sensational tonight. He was nice. How many minutes did you and his friend play

in the fourth quarter? I mean, my second best player, now I didn't play him in the fourth quarter in the game too. That's my second best player. I mean, imagine Ochoa, your second best receiver and he don't play the game too. That's my second best player. I mean imagine Ochoa your second best receiver and he don't play the fourth quarter. Your second best hitter you sub him out. Right. In baseball. You pinch hit for him.

That's your second best hitter. Hey what was that? Game, game. He was awful. Game out of reach at that point? No, the game wasn't out of reach. He was awful. I didn't get somebody in there to go give me some production. Julius Randall didn't play well. I'm not breaking news.

I'm not interrupting. You know, we got a service announcement, we got a Megan alert. I'm not breaking news to anybody. If you watch the game. He played terrible. Hey When do you ever make that move as a coach though? Just curious you got you got two big guns You got two best players. He's made it twice Hypothetically hypothetically speaking. I'm gonna just go with Shaq and Kobe Kobe yeah, he's having a bad night and Shaq is over have it off night since when do you been someone like Shaq?

I'm not comparing Julie's run the shake I'm just using that for comparison, give better context for me. To give me a better understanding. How do you bench the second- First of all, Kobe ain't gonna go down shooting those seven shots. That's not gonna happen.

Second of all, you get Shaq the ball. If they foul him, they foul him, and he shoots 30 free throw attempts. But you find a way to get in the ball. Chris Finch has already made the decision. He doesn't have a problem putting Sid and Julius Ass on the bench. Come forward quarter. He did it in game two. He played four minutes.

He had as many turnovers as points. He had seven shot attempts. He had five points, five turnovers. In a game of this magnitude? Yeah, yeah. Listen, I'm just curious. I'm just curious where a coach, like I'm just thinking about it, right? Football terms, me and TJ, and Hoosh is having a bad game.

Well, we don't take, you don't, we as a head coach, Mark Lewis isn't taking Hooshe out. We find ways to give him the ball to get himself in rhythm. Even if he's having a bad game, I'm just saying basketball to me would be a little bit easier to do. Again, excuse my, you know, okay.

God damn, if I'm fence, okay, Julie's having a bad game. Let's, let's, let game. Let's make up some- I can't make him have a better game if he won't shoot the damn ball. Ah. I give you a prime example. You remember that playoff game?

How many balls did T.O. drop before he caught the game winner? You remember that game in San Francisco against Green Bay? It's the Packers. It's the Packers game. Yes. See? See what I mean? Same scenario. I will keep going to you. Right, right.

Yeah, that's crazy. And obviously, and hold on. OK, see playing that motherfucking defense too now. They ain't making it easy. Well, how you going to be facing them being, well, you say the man can be facing them VA. We was talking about Julius. We was talking about Julius. Well, Ant-Man wasn't much better. Hey. But I'm saying it. Julius is your second best player. I think Julius is going to the All-Star game.

He's been an All-Star. He's been since safe outside of games two and four in the Western Conference Finals. Julius Randall has been sensational. You know, he's a three time All-Star. Excuse me. We saw what he did against the L finals. Julius Randall has been sensational. You know, he's a three-time All-Star. Excuse me. We saw what he did against the Lakers. We saw what he did the next round against Golden State. We saw what he did. He played really good game in game one.

He played sensational in game three. I mean, game four. Excuse me. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures, and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream

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I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. A game of this magnitude, where your role players give you what they gave you, your big guys can't come up small. They just can't. You can't. I got 22 from Jay and Daniels.

I got 21 from Devin Chimzo. I got 23 from, so you mean to tell me, of all the guys that played, Julius Randall scored the fewest points? Of all the guys that played. And he played more minutes than Nas Reid. He played the same amount of minutes as DiVincenzo. Alexander Walker played.

As a matter of fact, Shannon played eight minutes and had more points than he had. And he only played eight minutes. Hey, they got Alexander locked up? Huh? Alexander. He is the role. He comes off the bench. I mean, if you put him in, Mike Carley, Mike Carley, again, bro, this this six and two and zero points ain't gonna cut it, bro. The only guys that's consistently playing are Jane Daniels, McDaniels that played really well against the Lakers. He played great in the last series, did a great game.

I just need my big guns to go off. Got to show up. They got to. This is, I mean, I guess they don't have big enough names to get Ab hype because I saw, I saw, I saw what he did against Jokic and Murray last year. I saw what he did against Katie and book. I saw what he did against Luke and LeBron. I saw what he did.

Even though Steph went out, uh, Jimmy Butler and Draymond. Yeah. What's going on? What's really going on? And I'm not trying to minimize it, but hey, so Jordan's never faced great defenses, LeBron has never faced great defenses, Kobe's never faced great defenses, Lab Bird never faced great defenses? All the greats have.

All the greats have! That's what make them great. Hell, if everybody went against the Washington generals, hell, how do we know who's great? Are you saying the series is over? In the words of Luther Bancho, it's over now? It's over, they know it. They know it.

Three-one against that team? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,-Man that Jason Tatum treatment? Oh, whoa, whoa. Jason Tatum, with the exception of this year, has been in the conference finals damn near his whole career. Is there a time that Jason Tatum didn't make the conference finals? Except this year, with the exception of this year? He's probably been to five or six. Well, you see what- Remember his rookie year, they were battling the Cleveland Cavaliers in the finals He's probably been to five Eastern Conference Finals Well, you see that team that you see that team Jason Taylor surrounded by They weren't always like that and he found a way to get to these two conference finals and they got out

You remember they got to these two conference finals and they didn't have uh uh uh Prozingos when they lost uh Golden State. Yeah they didn't have holiday. They had they had brother Brown. Yeah. They had brother Tatum. Yeah. Yeah, these are the finals. Yeah. And they lost to LeBron now. Remember LeBron in game seven, LeBron had that historic game? Yeah. But your two best players, whether you say Julius Randall is the Ant-Man or the equivalent

of Tatum and Brown, the problem that I have is that I can't deal with seven and 13 shots between the two of them. I can't deal with 20 shots between the two guys. When Shay got 30 by himself, Jalen Williams got 24, Chet Hongren had 14. Stop turning the ball over, you know. Hey, God damn Shade, man. That boy got a toolbox on him, boy.

I mean, oh yeah, that snatches. He can't stop it. He got a toolbox on him. Jalen Williams had his best game of the series. He drop a cool 34. Like it ain't nothing. Chat played great. Have a big time block. I'm not saying Minnesota would have won the series, but at least don't you be the reason

why. Play good and say, hey, man, look at that, man, game was 30 a night, game was 35 a night. You got to be a reason. You got to be the reason why your team always have a chance. Always. But the 68 win,

OKC Thunder, one win away, advancing to the first finals since 2012 when they had the KD, Russ Harden in Serge Ibaka. And my colleague, Big Perk. So OKC, 128, Minnesota, 126. They got 40 points from Shea Gilgis. He's one rebound short of a triple double. Jalen Williams gave him 34.

Chet Hongwin gave him 21. And Caruso gave him 33 big points off the bench. They played really well. And they are one win away from advancing to the NBA final. They're in the Western Conference final now. Pop Fried, Ocho. Tyrese Halliburton father. John will be allowed to attend Pace's home game, but he will not be courtside.

He will be in a suite beginning Tuesday game four against the Knicks. John Halliburton missed eight games following his confrontation with Yannis on April 29th. You see what? Hey, they got superstitious. Oh Joe. Yeah. I guarantee you if they didn't want game three,

they wouldn't let him, they wouldn't have freed him. No. You might as well, you learn your lesson, especially something like, you wanna be there for those moments. You wanna be there for those moments. I'm sure Halliburton obviously has something to do with it as well.

The fact that he can't get sick, of course, it's not gonna feel the same. It's not gonna, it's different being in them suites. I don't frequent basketball games, but if I'm going to, I got to be on the wood. I got to be on the wood so I can experience it and get that authentic feel of it. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's probably a lot easier to see in an arena, see the suites, especially if you know where your suites are located.

Right. Because when I was in Baltimore, I had a suite and I was in Baltimore and I could look up there and see my kids and see my mom and my sister and stuff, my homeboys that would come. But it's different. It's different than my homeboys being on the sideline and you know, I can come out the field and dab them up when I do something good or so forth. And so on, they can dab, you know. Um, yeah, it was, uh, but I'm glad, I'm glad. Uh, like I said, I think, look, look, he got caught up in the emotion of it.

He was just so excited for his son. Um, is there something between Milwaukee and Indiana that brings out the best in Indiana? Brings out the best in Tyrese and his dad got caught up in it, um, made a mistake and uh, he's back. Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully it pays off. But like you said, it's not being in a suite and being courtside is entirely two different things.

They just saying. Being on the suite or being in the stands and being on the field, there's a reason why before the game, all those celebs on the field. Yeah. It's the field. Yeah. It's different, but, uh, congratulations, John Halliburton. Um, you're back in the building.

Not where you normally would be, but Hey, it's a start. Baby steps, baby steps, Ocho, baby steps. Right, right, right. Heh, heh, heh. The Milwaukee Bucks are reportedly hoping that the presence of Doc Rivers will make Yannis under Takunpo more likely to stay in Milwaukee per Mark Steins. The Bucks are hoping that the presence of Doc

as a coach can provide some sort of boost. And Takunpo and Rivers are believed to have a strong working relationship. You know he's not staying. I mean, what are we doing? So he had a terrible, so Jason Kidd's gone, Mike Bootholder's gone, who won him, he was there when he had them two MVPs,

and he got a finals MVP that won a championship. Adrian Griffin was fired after going 40 what 41 and 13 right now, dog so I'm just trying to figure out and I'm just trying to figure out what am I missing? What what what what is it? What is it that they see that we don't? Listen, the man didn't want to be there. I'm not sure. I'm not sure what why they're obviously gonna I don't know. I don't know if he doesn't want to be there or if he doesn't believe that they can win there. He can win there.

You're not going to be able to. There's nothing you're going to be able to do. Bringing in Doc Rivers isn't going to get you a chance at contention for a trophy. It's not going to be able to get you any more players because you can't sign anything and you want to stay out of that second apron. Bingo. So that mean that goes without saying. I don't know why.

I mean, you traded holiday, you traded the holiday and gave up draft picks to get Dane. And Dane is out. Dane is out, Dane is out. I think maybe his decision-making would be a little different if Dane wasn't hurt. No. You don't think so?

No, cause they didn't get to these two conference finals in the year that Dane was there. And there are some times that they play really good, but it's kind of hard because, you know, Don't think so? No, because they didn't get to these two conference finals in the year that Dane was there. And there's some times that they play really good, but it's kind of hard because, you know, and you think Yannis needs the ball to clear and Dane likes to have the ball to do what he does. Sometimes it looks good, but more times than not, it's just like, eh. Yeah.

Eh. He doesn't want to be there. I hate to regurgitate it and say it again. I told you where Yannis is going. I told you how that's going to go. Well I'm not saying I disagree with you, but what I am saying, what are you going to give up? I just don't see a scenario where you keep Bam and Tyler Hero and still be able to get

Yannis. One of the things about it is we never know the scenario. That's up to the teams. That's up to all the teams. Let me say it like this, up to all the teams involved. He's giving hints and answers where he'd like to be, where he'd like to play subliminally by answering questions on Twitter.

I mean, the proof is in the pudding is right there. I mean, everyone's gonna have these expert opinions on where he should go. Yeah, but that's in the pudding is right there. I mean, everyone's gonna have these expert opinions on where he should go. Yeah. Like the capital. But that's how you put trade scenarios together. Okay, if you're the Lakers, you know who off limits. You know you're not getting LeBron

and you're not getting Luca. So now you start playing with pieces, okay? Is AR available? Is RUIT available? You start playing with pieces, who could possibly leave and who could possibly come. So with that being said, that's the only way you can put a trace of

there. You're talking, you got to do hypotheticals. You know, I'm just trying to see, I'm looking at the pieces that what Miami have. They only got two pieces that would want. Why would Johnnys want to go to Miami and Bam and Tyler Hero isn't there? It's the same thing that happened with Carmelo when he went to the Knicks. Nobody there. You got it him. Yeah, when you think about it,

where the hell's would he go? Where the hell else would Yanis go right now where they're gonna have to give up something for him to even get him and still not be right back in the same type of situation you were in in Milwaukee? I think the thing is, Ocho, you're going to have to get multiple teams involved, but you're going to have to satisfy Milwaukee. Milwaukee, Yanis, think about it, Ocho.

You lost Kareem. How long before you got something to replace Kareem? Your second best player in franchise history. Yanis, I thank you the second best because Kareem won three titles with the two, you got to, we all need to agree. I mean, you need to look up Kareem's stats because everybody that think Kareem was a bum,

y'all need to look up Kareem before he got old. Cause like in the eighties, he still won finals MVP at like 37, 38 years of age. But you gotta go back and look at him when he from his rookie year until he was about 30. Go check him out, go check out his stats and let me know what you think. With that being said, uh, Lou Giannis? A superstar?

See, that's what, for the longest time, that's what really hurt OKC. Because see, Kevin Durant was a free agent and he left. Imagine what you could have got for Kevin Durant if you did a sign in trade. So now you, and it's absolute prime. Well, hell before it's prime. But now, so now you get a guy, I mean, you will get draft pick out to Galore

and a couple of solid players. That's what you would have gotten. But he left, You got nothing. Well, walked out the door. Same thing, go to state. He walked out the door. So when I think about teams with draft capital, Brooklyn got draft capital. Houston got draft capital and players because you got Shungoon.

I'm not getting rid of Armand Thompson. Armand Thompson is not going anywhere. Right. So you got Capital, you got Jabari Smith Jr., you got Eason. So they got Capital, and they got draft picks. See, that's the thing, Ocho. There's only a handful of teams that have the draft Capital

and maybe some of the players to satisfy What about OKC? Yannis OKC? I don't like that matchup with Shea. Do they have the draft capital? Absolutely. Yes. They have the draft capital go get a Kevin Durant. I mean if somebody else is available they got the draft capital. Yes, they're absolutely. Look at the players they got. I mean, if somebody else is available, they got the draft, yes, absolutely. Look at the players they got. I don't, for me, I don't think they're breaking up their nucleus. Shay, Jalen Williams, and Holmgren.

I'm not breaking that up. There's a reason why Presti deliberately chose Chet Holmgren, because he had an opportunity at Jabari Smith Jr. And because Paulo Banquero was gone, he was off the board, so you didn't have no shot at him. Nice. Oh Yeah. Oh, yeah young fella young fella like that Yes, absolutely the Thunder have the pieces they got

Seven eight first round picks seven eight second round picks. They got to pick swaps still coming from the Clippers. Oh, they got the capital. Houston got the capital. Brooklyn has the capital. Because I just don't want draft picks. I want some I want players that can come in and play and contribute and can help me right now, right now. Yeah. So it's going to be very interesting to see what Yanis maybe they try to convince him one more year.

But Yanis like one more year, that's a year older. I'm not close to it. I mean when you look at it, Yanis by himself, they're not beating the Knicks, they're not beating the Cavs, they're not beating Indiana. Now they might get Boston run without Tatum next year, but they're still okay at best case scenario. They're the fourth best team. I'm not so sure they're the fourth best team. If Banquero and Franz Wagner stay healthy, with that year when they get subs back, with

Black and Cole Anthony with some of the pieces that they have, are we sure? Milwaukee is no better than a fourth or fifth seed. I ain't coming back one more year for it to be a fourth or a fifth seed. Well, that's what it would probably be. Y'all just can only do so much. Yes. No, you can only do so much when you buy it yourself.

What, but how do you improve this team? People like, Ojo, ain't nobody say, yeah, woo, man, I'm gonna take this Max deal from Milwaukee. I got an opportunity to get a Max deal from LA. I get a Max deal from Chicago. I get a Max deal. I'm going to Milwaukee. Right. You're not.

You're not. There's nothing to do. It's cold. It's closed at 11. Okay, 10. When am I gonna go get some meat after the game? It can't be that bad. Kids ain't playing outside after September. Can't be that bad, huh?

In Milwaukee? Yeah, I'm just saying it can't be that bad. It's bad as far as what? I mean, I've never been there, I've never experienced what it's like to live there. It's in Wisconsin. So what you think the weather is like from Wisconsin? October, November, December, January, February, March, April. So what do you think the weather's like? You played in Green Bay.

Okay, so what you think the weather like in October? November, December, October, November, December, January, February, March. But guess what? Think about some of the teams you just named to hell all of them. Same months in Chicago. It's cold. Them same months.

You just named me in Chicago. Issues open. I can still go get a meal at 10 o'clock at night We'll see we shall see Austin Reeves agent issues a warning amid trade rumors next year is going to be a show people really have no idea What's to come keep putting him in trade rumors for a second string Center? Hmm Whoa Who did take a shot say don't Come keep putting him in trade room before second string center. Hmm Whoa Who did take a shot said, huh?

Whoever keep leaking his name talk about part of trade they're trading for a center But he said second string who's the second string center? They taking a shot at somebody anybody. That's not your kitchen Joel and bead Those are really only centers. Yeah. Hey, Austin Reese is nice too. He can go anywhere right now. And getting work, getting buckets. Yeah. But bro, you go out there, bro, you go out there to contract.

The Lakers can only play you so much. You're gonna go somewhere and get a big payday anyway. You ain't trying to stay with the Lakers when you can get a $200 million deal and they can't give you that. I know you're, Austin is very grateful, very thankful. Yeah. The Lakers believed in him, gave him a tryout.

He went to the G League. He played really well. He, uh, he and LeBron, LeBron saw something in him early, took him under his wings, and he's flourished. Big time. Let's not kid ourselves. That's not kid ourselves. That's not kid ourselves. Obviously, Reeves finna get a bigger payday. Finna get a couple hundred million dollars.

Yo, overestimating his value out there in LA? No, he's not. He knows his value. That's why they just said what he said. Okay. Because he's not about his contract. Go get your money money young fella. Cause he, the thing is like what they try to do, Ocho, if you sign with your team,

they can give you that fifth year you leave. They can only give you four. Yeah. So there's like, okay, we can add an extra year. That's an extra 50. You get nicked. Hey, you're not playing your best. You still a opt in. You got 50 coming. Right.

He knows that he knows that based on what he's done over the last three years, as you've seen his point assist rebound total go up. He's been a valuable option. I mean, we saw him with he get with no Luke in the lineup here in Lebron, with no Luca and Lebron in the lineup, what he did against Indiana. We've seen him go off for 40. We've seen him go get 30. Yeah, he's improved every single year. He's a hell of a player. But those three guys are not gonna win anything.

Now, I'm not saying that you've got to package him, but they need a big. And he's the only valuable piece that they have that they're willing to part with. They not trade Luca. You can't trade LeBron because LeBron is one of the two players that have a no trade. He and Bradley Beal. Everybody else, nobody else in the NBA other than LeBron James and Bradley Beal has a no trade. Now you also say they need a big. Now Yannis is off the table going to LA too, because you don't have enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't have enough? I don't think, I mean, he mentioned LA, but I think he's talking about more Clippers than Lakers. Ooh. Hey, Harden. Kawhi. And Yannis. What you gonna give up?

Because your picks, your pigs belong to OKC. OKC, that's right, that's right, that's right. Ask for them back. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. And then guess what? We got pig swaps. So guess what?

If some for some God unforeseen reason, you're higher than we are, hey, let's swap that thing. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, you get a nice burger. You get a good smash, double smash burger with cheese. And I got a bologna sandwich. You know what? I'm gonna swap lunches today.

It's my time to swap. Okay, now you got the bologna sandwich. I got the double cheese smash burger. See? burger. See? Well, see, y'all and y'all isn't like, y'all is going to be, uh, it's hard. Oh, it's hard because here's the thing I thought about with, but makes sense. Hey, you, you putting yourself right back in the same goddamn predicament outside of it, being a better goddamn city and being able to get something to eat after

11 o'clock. That's it. But see, that's the thing though. That's the thing, Ocho is that. Austin Reeves understands his value. He knows he's going to be a commodity cause he's proven he's a starter in this league. He's not a role player.

I mean, he's a role player, but he's a starting role player. You know what I'm saying? He can handle the ball. He can create his own shot. He can, he can facilitate an offer. He can run an offense. Yeah. He's, yeah, he's a liability on defense, but guy ain't nobody playing no defense anymore. Just don't let him beat you on the first dribble. Can you, can you guard him for two dribbles? Then help's going to come. So with that being said, there's only a handful of teams that have the capital

to go get a Yanis. Because you gotta think about it, Ocho. Look at what I'm giving up. I'm giving up a Yanis. I'm giving up a KD. I need something valuable in return. Now, KD's a little different. KD's a little older.

So he's not gonna command. Phoenix is not gonna get maybe what they think they're going to get. Yeah Because there's a difference. I think Yanis is 30 KD is about to be 37 and Injury history remember he got nicked again at the end of the year He missed the last couple games right when he got there messed up his knee So he has a history of being injured so you you're not gonna get what you because of age and his injury history. He's still a phenomenal player.

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Yeah. I can't even pronounce this guy's name. He said Zion Williamson is entering year seven with zero playoff minutes logged. I just got sick. I mean, Zion Williamson going to the Pelicans understanding his injury history, the fact that he hasn't been able to play a team of games, even make the playoffs.

He doesn't have a team surrounding him or have the help to make the playoffs. Yeah, yeah. He made the playoffs, but he was hurt. He couldn't play. Yeah, they made the playoffs. Let me think about it. He had BI. The second year.

He had Valen Chunas. He had CJ McCullough. That was the second year, right? Yeah. He had the first year. He had the second year. He had the second year. He had the second year.

He had the second year. He had the second year. He had the second year. He had the second year. He had The second year. He had Valen Chunas. He had CJ McCullough. That was the second year, right? I don't know what year it was, but I'm saying they've made the playoffs. Zion just hadn't been able to play. I think he needed a new change of senior, y'all. He needed a change of senior. He needed a change of eatery. He needs to change his eatery.

Change your who? Eatery. What's important to him? Everybody wants something more than Zion wanted for himself. Think about what he denied himself. Probably going out, partying, doing all those other things that kids his age did because he wanted to be a basketball player and he wanted to go to college and he would bring college.

He wanted to go to the NBA. So think about what you denied yourself to get to where you got to. And not all of a sudden, not granted when you young, Ocho, you rub it down the court, Ocho, wait, just fall off you. Yeah. I mean, I can lose, I can lose. Easy. Hell, I lose. I swear to God, seven, eight pounds

at a practice. Once lost 13 pounds at a practice. You young, you can do that. As you start to get older, you see a lot of young fat people. You don't see a lot of old fat people, Ocho. Cause the heart's only so big. It's only meant to pump the size that you supposed to be.

You start getting four, you start getting three and 400 pounds when you meant to be 200 or 250. How many little hearts? Packs in the body. Yeah. That's why you can't put a Volkswagen engine in an 18 wheeler. It's not meant to pull that.

You'll burn it out. What's important to Zion on how bad is I young want to be it do it. I get it getting in is easy that's the easy part right. It gets hard to get out and get back in. Zion is a phenomenal talent we're never you never gonna hear me say anything about the guy's talent. He can do it. He can do it.

We've seen him. He can score 25 in a game. He's not the best rebounder. I mean, I thought he'd be a better rebounder than what he was because he's as explosive as Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley is the smallest guy to ever lead the league in rebounding. Charles Barkley is 6'4". Zion is 6'4". And Zion, six four. Zion six four. And I believe it's more explosive, but rebound is all about want to. That's why, that's why Dennis Robin did it so well.

Dennis Robin wanted the ball more than anybody else. Yeah. But it's got to be, he's got to adopt say, you know what, man, I'm tired of this ish. Man, let me get myself together. Let me get myself together. Let me, I'm gonna get me a chef and I want you to hold me accountable. I'm not saying he can't ever eat something bad, but you have to like weigh the options.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, there's seven days in a week. We know there's seven days in a week. And let's just say he's gonna eat 28 meals that week, 28 to 30. When you talk about breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks, things like that, 28 meals. Of those 28 meals, 25 of them need to be nutritious, healthy, packed with protein, complex carbohydrates,

fats. Hey, what happens if the team he has around him, the people he has surrounding him, what if he is eating healthy? What if he is eating nutritious and he just can't seem to keep the weight off because maybe he's just supposed to be- Doesn't work like that. Do you know how hard it is taking from somebody that's had a healthy lifestyle pretty much for 32 years 1993?

I made a decision. I'm gonna have a healthy lifestyle. Do you know how hard it is to eat 2000 3000 4000 calories if you're eating healthy? Okay, nothing to eat that kind of calories. Hell, I get you a burger that got 2000 calories in it. But to eat chicken, to eat rice, to eat fish, to eat broccoli, to eat vegetables, people don't understand how hard it is to eat that many calories when the food is nutritiously dense. Now if you eating some bull jobs, ox tails and pork chops and etouffee and boudin and jambalaya and gumbo ain't

nothing. You blow through 2,000, 3,000 calories in a meal. It's hard to exercise a bad diet. It's hard and the older you, the harder it is. I'm not telling you something, Chad, I'm not telling you something somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. Because once upon a time, I know I might not look like it now the way I walk and move around. I wasn't an elite athlete at one point. I always, I always argue with people too about that, about

that, that saying you can't, you can't outwork a bad diet. But I mean, I think because my frame is so small. Yeah. I've never. If you didn't work out, you realize that if you didn't lift weights and work out like you do, how small you would be? I get skinny.

I look, hey. Absolutely you would. I look sick, man. I just not even, when I don't lift, and it look weird. Like some of- Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the thing. I mean, some people, there are some people like that.

Some people like that, they have that frame, Ocho, that no matter what they do, they gonna be thin. And then there's some people, you look at a burger, that's three pounds you gain. You should have looked at me. But I just think that's the thing that Zion needs to do. He just gotta make it up in his mind, so you know what, I'm gonna get in shape,

I'm gonna stay in shape, because I mean, before you know it, it's gonna be year 10. 10! Hey, that's crazy. You know what's funny is I remember the hype. It was really not hype because he was that boy. Oh, he looked it. He was supposed to be the next face of the NBA.

He was supposed to be in the ball. They were trying to it from what it seemed from media coverage and what everybody was saying, he was the next great thing that was supposed to bomb was done plan. And it just never panned out that way. Obviously because of injuries and I'd assume, you know, his inability to inability to keep the weight off and be on the court and be available. But, oh, when he's on the court though. Oh, we did the embassy.

Oh Joe, that's the thing that's frustrating because you see what he, you can see what he can be. You see what he's capable of cause he's shown it to you. But at the end of the day, you can never want something for someone else more than they wanted for themselves. He's been seven years already. It's about to be seven years. Next year will be seven years.

This shit going by fast. It does. Think about, Ocho, think about it when you came into the league and next thing you know, you looked up, he was in year 10. Yeah. Yeah. It went fast. It was, it, it, it It's time for somebody else to.

Once you get to year 10, you take a year to year. It ain't no more. I got me five more. No, hell no. Absolutely not. You know, you know, business comes into play at that point. Absolutely. Once you get to year 10, I sure hope I can get me another one. Oh, I stole another one, Ocho. Got to be 12 of them things. Yeah. That's it. I think, uh, and I think that's what's important for Zion.

Cause there's no denying his talent. There's no denying his talent. He get that ball, hey, he jumped so quick, so effortlessly, but that's a lot of pounding, that's a lot, that's a, that's a large man that's up and down, up and down, up and down. Same thing with Embiid. Big man. And you're asking big man to do that over and over and over, 82 times a year. Nobody's really going to play, but McHale Bridges is going to play 82 games, maybe a handful of players playing 82 games. So you're asking Joel Embiida if he can give us 70. So give us 60, 60, 70. Can you do that Zion?

Can you give us 60, 60, 70? Cause that's what it's going to take. They're the team's best player. It's hard. It's hard to advance when your best players not there. Zona is's best player. It's hard to advance when your best player's not there. Zion is their best player. And now they've traded B.I. because now B.I. is in Toronto.

I think he was dealing with a blood clot, right? What did B.I. have in Toronto? Because he got traded. How many other teams could Zion go to? He could probably go everywhere and still be the best player outside of OKC and the Lakers, huh? No, yeah. Well, he ain't gonna be here.

Here's the thing. Could, where could he go or where could, uh, somebody's going to that need him and have the capital to give up. Look, he always wanted to go. I, I still believe this. I believe he would prefer to be the third pick and be in New York than be the number one pick and be in New Orleans. Can you imagine, can you imagine Zion in New York? Yeah I can.

I can. Hey at his size Zion would be the, he would be too short to be the, he could play the four, he's a three though right? Who Zion? Yeah. Okay. He can play the four, he's a three though, right? Housaian, yeah. Okay. He can play the three out of four. Cause he's so powerful. Yeah, but he undersized though, huh? Yeah. But I gotta punish you, like I was saying,

if you punish me on one end, I gotta punish you on the other. I mean, yeah. Hey, that sucker, that sucker's a good jump, man. He's a quick jumper, quick, very athletic, very explosive. To be that size, the funny thing about it is probably everyone else, he's a little bit more twitchy than everybody else. Oh yeah.

He's twitchy as if he's small. If that makes- He's a more explosive Charles Barkley. Look at the way Barkley was built and look at the way Zion is built. Same. And that would've been the first thing I would have done. I would have got with Charles Barkley and said, Charles, how'd you do it? How'd you get the way?

He said, most of them, because he had a veteran, most of them alone said, hey, Charles, he said, you fat and you lazy. That's a hell of a combination. You could be one of the other old chos. You can't be both. No old Joe. It'd be both. No, you can't be those two. Right. And that's what I tell guys. They look you in football.

You can be old and fast or young and slow, but you can't be two together. You can't be old and slow. Yeah. It'd be over there on the sideline. No, you'll be at the league. Old and slow gets you out of the league. Old and fast will keep you on the sideline. But I just hope he gets it figured out.

I just hope he gets it figured out because man, he is so immensely talented and you just want to see the best, especially guys that you and you know, they got it in the mocho You know they talented you you've seen it Man, I mean I don't know but a no we've seen when he's healthy. Yeah He's an all-star box office But it is what it is. Oh, that's it. That's his career. That's his future there and he has to It is what it is, Ocho. That's his career, that's his future, and he gets to determine it.

Jaren, Triple J, Jaren Jackson Jr. was one selection away from the biggest bag in NBA history. 22 points a game, all-star, all defense. Still not enough to crack the All-NBA. Triple J showed the numbers. Were they too many big names, too few spots? And just like that and just like that just like that triple J misses out on a supermax

contract 350 million what he could have signed for 150 million is dead 200 million dollars abracadabra, vanish. I'm going to the border. Sometimes it's not about what you did, it's about how crowded the room was. That's not fair. That's why you ride the merry-go-round,

get candied apples, cotton candy, and you know sometimes you can see a pig, the bearded lady in the tent is at the fair. Hey, you know that's not fair. You get what you earn, not what you deserve. So let me ask you a question. Who are you taking off, the all-MBA selection teams? Who are you taking off and putting them on there for? Not it, no. It ain't nobody to take off because they on there for. Not it. No. It ain't no, ain't nobody to take off because they own there for a goddamn reason.

And that's, and that's what I tell people. People say, man, he should have gone to the pro bowl. Who you taking off? He should have been an all star. Who you take it off? Yeah. But the fact that if you've made it, if you were able to make it and the, the difference in money you get when you do. Yeah.

My good. I've been there. I've been, I've been to the situations on show that the pro bowl, I had more catches, more yards and more touchdown. And somebody went to the pro bowl in front of me and my team went to the playoffs when that happened, I guarantee you on the back end. Yeah. Oh yeah. I can tell you that.

Yeah. I know how that go. Mm-hmm. Yep. Damn. Yeah. Had more catches yards than touchdowns. Couple of times I was seconding yards, catches, and touchdowns. Couple of times I was second in yards catches and touchdowns. Hold on man. So if we didn't make the NBA.

You need to be, you would need to make one of the three, all NBA teams, first thing out of 13. Or be an MVP, that would definitely help. 200 million down the drain. 200 on, just like that. Or be an MVP, that'll definitely help. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Hehehehehehehe Hehehehehe Hehehehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe Hehehe He to go on a 4-year 294-4-5-3 What's the one you taking? Four for $294. And Che is only what? 26. Are we finna hit him across the head again? Yes. Jesus Christ.

Yup. So guess what? When he's able to come up again, it'll probably be 430 max contracts. Now regardless of being older, he'll still be able to get that. He'll still be eligible for it. Now once you get to like 36 on Cho, I don't think you can do more than a two year deal. Cause they didn't want to play, you know, cause you know,

old player be 40 years old, hey, I want five years. No damn way you ain't gonna be playing till you're 45, but you got his money gonna come in. And then like, I think that's what it is, right? After you get to a certain age in the NBA, you can only sign two year deals. Cause I think that's what happened to LeBron. Oh, I thought he was choosing, purposely choosing

to sign two years on purpose. No. No, that's crazy. He signed two years, but it's one plus an option. Go ahead. Yeah, so it's over 38. Okay. So 38 older. So theoretically, Shay might get got back my got three of these Cuz he'll go from 30 26 to 30 right 30 to 34 and do another one on the back end of two year

He might he might do a billion dollars in contracts Hey, you know, it's funny You worth every goddamn dime. Yeah, for sure. There's really nothing you can argue about when it comes to him. No. I love everything about the young man. I love the way he cares himself. I love how hard he plays. I love the grind that he's put in, the work that he's put in, and to see there's nothing

better than seeing a plan come together. When you work extremely hard for something and you see like, damn. Finally. Because all I wanna do, all I wanted to do come fall, Ocho, was to see what the summer had to, did the, what I did in the summer, did that itch play off? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it did, yeah.

What was funny, when you put the work in, when you put the hours in, no matter what you do in life, no matter what it is, you always see folks in, when you put the hours in, no matter what you do in life, no matter what it is, you always see folks in that work. Always, no matter what. Ain't nowhere around it, Ocho. Every time. And then, and you never have to sit back.

You never have to sit back. Not one time have I ever thought back about my NFL career and says, man, if I had just done this, if I had ate better, if I had trained, if I had studied, ain't it? I had no regrets. I got everything out of my God-given ability. Everything. I squeezed it all, little Joe. You know, I had orange juice and then I ate the pulp. You know, I used the zest, the orange zest for cooking. So I got everything out of the orange. There was nothing left.

Walk away with your head held high. You accomplished everything. Pro bowls, all pros, super bowls. You and your team's ring of fame. You're one of the 50 greatest players that played for your team. What? Nothing more you could ask for. Nothing. Nothing. Because all I wanted was an opportunity to play in the NFL.

Man, let me play in the NFL. Two, three years, I can say I played. A lot of people don't get an opportunity to play that. And they played high school and played college. That was my goal. Playing in the NFL. Hey, get granny out of this. That was it, Ocho. I mean, yeah. I wanted two, I wanted three things, really, for me, that was tangible, I could put my hands on. I wanted a Rolex. I wanted three things really for me that was tangible I could put my hands on. I wanted a Rolex, I wanted a Ferrari, and I wanted a house, air-conditioned,

indoor plumbing, and running water. I got it, I'm good. I like that. That's it. I like that. The way I live now, I never thought that was possible. Hey, hey, even if I did just had me a little one of my window units, oh, you remember we'd go to the window unit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the air conditioning to the window. Yeah, the AC unit in the window. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. And

listen, if you didn't have that, you had, we had Xairs back in the day. You remember the fans, the portable, my portable, you plug into the wall, the little didn't have that, you had, we had Xairs back in the day. You remember the fans, the portable, my portable, you plug into the wall, the little square fan? Yeah, yeah, oscillating fan, box fans. Yeah, one of them, yeah. Yeah. One or the other. Yeah, we had one that the blade would have broke off,

so you had to put a block on it, cause it'd be dancing around. Dancing around. Yeah, yeah, so we put a big old block, a fender block on top of it, it stayed right there, kept it cool. Well, actually it didn't keep it cool, it we put a big old, big old block, a fender block on top of it. It stay right there, kept it cool. Well, actually it didn't keep you cool. It's bro, hot ass air,

cause we ain't have no air condition. But that's all I wanted though, Joe. You know, get my grandmother that situation and I could have indoor plumbing, running water, and air, and the house that was air conditioned. Or you can tell Shannon Sharp nothing. I just, my mind, I'm trying to think. I kind of, you know, I've always lived a very, very, very simplistic lifestyle.

I always lived way below my means. My whole thing, obviously, I wanted to play in the NFL. I wanted to make it really having no desires or understanding about, you know, Super Bowls and all that stuff, until I actually got there and the meaning and how much they meant, you know, to a lot of people that played the game. Yeah. That was a lot that I was able to play and have fun and do it my way. And I always wanted to make sure my kids were good. Yeah.

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