Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves beat Lakers, & Shedeur has fallen to Day 3 of the NFL draft!

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Timberwolves beat the Lakers to go up 2-1, and the crazy fall of Shedeur Sanders in the NFL draft!06:50 - Timberwolves vs Lakers39:43 - NFL Draft(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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2 blocks, 2 steals, 5 of nine from the three point line. But it was not enough because three of the Timberwolves, Ant-Man finished like Ant-Man's supposed to do, that's what your best player's supposed to do, he's supposed to finish. But Jay McDaniels, Julius Randall was sensational, Naz Reid, Chip Hinn, so did Mike Carley, and they come away, get game of 2-1 lead

116 to 104 Joe let me go to you first the Timberwolves I thought LeBron and that fourth quarter he comes down here back to back threes and then The game undone turn over the missed free throws Joe watching this game. Tell me how it played out in your eyes Joe, watching this game, tell me how it played out in your eyes. Just seems like it's two heavyweight fighters, man, just really going at it. It's like backyard basketball, Uncle Ocho. Like they really kind of take the centers out of the game, run and play it to five. They spread the floor and it's just penetrate and kick basketball.

Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean? And it's just read and react. And that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know what I mean? And it's just read and react. And that's pretty much how they been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series. But like you say, Jay McDaniels, baby, he gonna come out, he ultra aggressive, huh? What is that? How many field goal attempts he had?

22, he was 13 for 22 tonight. Like I like to see that. I like to see this young talent come out, initiate, you know, be that aggressor, and put the onus on the Lakers, man. When him and Atman attacking like that and applying pressure and that pain on that rim, they able to get easy, dump down to Rudy, spray out threes to these guards, even Chen Jo's coming off the bench playing great.

Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it. They bringing it, Ocho. them boys ain't playing man. Yeah Hey, they they they they came to play tonight. Obviously, I thought I think something was long wrong with Luca I'm not sure what was wrong with Luca. He wasn't on he wasn't efficient that he normally is but LeBron LeBron was vintage tonight LeBron was vintage 13 for 21. He had 38 10 rebounds for assists. He didn't have much help He didn't have much help. He was playing on both ends of the court to now playing defense playing offense Outside of that man and listen, I'm at I'm changing his name

Anthony Amazon Because he's delivering every time he coming to the party party. And he on time every time, Monk. And obviously Jayden Daniels was excellent tonight. Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in and night out? It is doubtful. De Vicenzo coming off the bench and contributing. Naj Reed hitting some key threes,

obviously in the game as well. It was a good game. Like Joe say, it looked like a heavyweight fight. Both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the Timberwolves pulled it off. Yeah, I think the thing is McDaniel has been the key. If you look at the first game they won,

look at how well he shot. He didn't play particularly well in the second game. Nas Reid didn't play well in the second game. And so that's, he's the X factor. Now, if you're going to get your third option and he's going to give you 30 points, it's going to be especially, especially if your first two options are doing

what they're supposed to do. Ant-Man gave me 29, Julius Randall gave me 22. Now your third option, which is Jay McDaniels, he's going to give you 30. It's going to be hard to overcome that. Unless LeBron, unless Luke, unless AR can match that. So let's just say for the sake of argument, they kind of match that tonight.

But the difference was DiVincenzo and Nasri. So they gave you 21. So I'm looking at it right here. You got 25 off the bench from the Timberwolves and you got a 11, 16, 19 from them. But it was a timely shot. It's too many, Joe, it's too many turnovers. The Lakers, I think, had five or six missed free throws in the first half.

A game you know that's going to be tight. Every position matters. Every point matters. Yeah. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity A game you know that's going to be tight. Every position matters. Every point matters. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws. And just too many turnovers because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota's making them pay the ultimate price on the other end. Go look at points off turnovers and look how many Minnesota had and look how few the Lakers had.

When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are and this is a young team, they can get out and run, Lakers don't have the legs that the Minnesota Timberwolves have, you're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble. I thought the Lakers played really well, the third quarter again, kind of got away from them. You know, they had a lead, but look, you know everybody's gonna make a run.

I mean, it's a game or run. That's what basketball is. You make your run, we make ours, okay. We go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then we go on another run, you go on another run. But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe. I thought they turned it over too much. I thought they missed too many free throws.

And they let the Timberwolves get into a rhythm, especially like the last four minutes of the game. When you had an opportunity, LeBron had an opportunity, it seemed like he was gonna take a three, he took his eye off the ball, he smoked the layup. He smoked it. Good when you smoke one in the first half. When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this,

and you know it's gonna to be nipping tough, every possession matters. Every point matters and you can't give away, you can't come away with empty possession. You can't. The one thing I really do like is, man, when we watch sports, all-can-out show, we watch for what? We watch for guys to come out there, not only display their talents,

but as long as they're competing at a high level, right? Yep, these dudes out here compete near me. Yeah Yes They compete they take it on the challenge and the only thing that their concerns me about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go We're growing at the five. They have no rim protection So and man when he get when he get to the cup because he don't get to the cup. Yes foul or spray out for three. Yeah.

You know, because they put what they're doing is they put Luca in the pick and roll. Yeah, they seeking it. So they're picking on Luca. So now Luca can't stop him on the initial move. So now if you throw somebody slides to help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times he's like,

bro, that's a Gabe Vincent, that's a gay Vincent. That's a Dorian Phoenix Smith. I'm going on top of y'all. Hey, hey, hey, the one time he got that steal, hold on, when he got that steal and he drove, he dribbled out to the three parlor. I don't know what Luca was thinking. I'm like, Luca should have been on the block. So when he looked to come baseline, he should have already been that big.

Like, nah, don't come this way. Man, I can't come baseline, he should already been that big. Like, nah, don't come this way. Man, I can't win baseline. Snatch the screws at that thing. Hey, hey, Joe, y'all think y'all think Luca hurt or was he just tired tonight? He said food. Something was something, something he wasn't feeling right. He wasn't feeling well. That's what they said. Yeah, he kept holding his stomach or something like that. It's hard to tell.

And I don't know if he initially came out there with that The undershirt on that he had it seemed like he I don't know I can say I wouldn't really pay him attention And then I don't think he started the second half Right cuz gay business started the second half and then at the time out he ended up coming into the ballgame So he might be a little under the weather but at this juncture of the year or Joe don't nobody care You might be a little under the weather, but at this juncture of the year, Ocho, don't nobody care. So I'm just gonna be one foul with you, Ocho. Joe, you play at a high level in the NBA, Ocho,

you and I, we play football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn of whether you got an injury, whether you got a C, you got the flu, flu, poor, whatever the case may be. Get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for. That's how you got that name.

That's who you are. And that's the expectation that people have. And I believe that's the expectation. And Lucas is not gonna make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're gonna have a chance to win this series. Absolutely. Yeah.

So, I mean, listen, how you feeling now? I feel good. Y'all down one, no, no, no how you feeling now? I feel good. Y'all down one, no, no, no, no. I feel good. The five is obviously it's not happening in five. I feel good. I feel good with the Lakers. It's still happening in five.

It's like you're having a... You're fine. It may not be. You're fine. Yeah. Oh, don't do that joke. Don't do that. I think you're getting into that joke. It's your little while before the register. Don't do that. It's gonna be a little wild for it to register.

The one thing that concerns me, you know, this Young Wolves team, they won in LA. They did what they want to do. They got to win. So they got hard court advantage. As long as they can take care of home court, man, they're gonna be tough to beat, bro. Like, we need, bro needed 50 tonight to win. He needed 50. I'm sorry outside He don't want rhythm had only one thing to really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reese had a pretty good rhythm Therefore second but man need people to put pressure on the on their rim man getting that paint to be able to sprout for threes We needed Roy. I mean, I mean something you never know. I can never tell what I'm gonna get from ruin I mean, I mean something you never know I can never tell what I'm gonna get from RUIT Eight points is not nearly enough for rebounds, bro. I need more than that I mean bro, you got 38 points and you got I mean you got 38 minutes and you got yeah eight points LeBron you got a guy on 48 on 40 year old leg give me your 40 minutes. He was a minus 19

He was a high plus minus his eyes was a highs minus on the other night. Yeah, it's just tough to overcome When you look Jackson Hayes, he can't play the problem is is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough and the thing is is that they're allowing Gobert to play 24- 25 minutes, and they got rim protection. So if somebody beats somebody up at the dribble, you saw, who's that? Dorian Finch-Smith and Rudy Gobert and say, let me get that. Let me hold that right quick.

I don't know what you thought. Somebody told you. Yeah. And that's why, like, Randall, if Randall Grimace is like he's being, like, being a bull in a china shop, like, he really caused a havoc down there because they too small to deal with him and Rudy you know what I mean right and when he played Randall at the five like he deadly at that position you know going off bounce creating getting to the cup getting fouls going to the

free throw line kind of get himself going you know what I mean yeah but what I don't understand Joe I've never seen a a left-handed most lefties Gonna go to that dominant hand if you think about all the lefties you think about Julius Randall Yeah, think about James Harden. Yeah, think about Marcellonus. Think about any left. Oh, I'm on you. Genove Lee Bro, you know They want to go to that dominant hand and they let random spin every time to the left. Yeah, thank you. Go right Yeah, yeah I get it. I get it joke. It's a lot easier said than done

But you're not going to be I'm not going to allow you to beat me if I'm a boxer You might knock me out, but you ain't gonna knock me out with your dominant hand now You might catch me with something I don't see but you ain't gonna knock me out with your dominant hand. Now you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't gonna be your dominant one. So you might slip that uppercut on me, Ocho, or you might hit me with the left hook, but if I know you got a right, ain't gonna get me. You ain't gonna get me. So you know Ju want to get to that left hand. He wants to get there.

I'm not letting him go. And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right. Okay, go ahead and go that way But I'm not gonna let you fake me right now go flying out the sky like I'm like I'm David Thompson It come back left and lay it up. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that Joe Am I wrong in that assessment Joe? No, you're not wrong. But like I say it is a little harder than what you say I mean, he's been ultra aggressive on he was 9 for ten from the free throw line He got to the line ten times. So yeah, which lets me know, you know when he called he took he took advantage of the mismatches, you know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time and

You know, he's helping him man. He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra aggressive like that on offense Yeah Go ahead. Oh, go ahead, Ocho, go ahead. I'm just trying to look at some stats because I don't really have it on my computer like I would at home. Yeah. The league is in trouble.

Hey, Joe, the next game in Minnesota ain't it? Yes, sir. Hey, y'all, it ain't looking good. It's looking good, we got this one. Listen, LeBron, like Joe said, LeBron gonna have to score 50. Luke will have to, I'm not sure if he got a stomach, a tummy ache, I'm not sure what it is.

Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing how we know he can play. Also Reeves, give us something like we did tonight. But we gotta show up. We gotta show up or it's not looking good. Look, I think for me, when I'm looking at this, do I expect LeBron? Can LeBron do it? Yes. I've seen him go 30 and 40 and back to back game.

You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably going to be Sunday. So if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had. They played and then now all of a sudden they get, so he got two days Yeah, so when you're older you need more time to recover Joe you need more time to suit them Say no thermotake boots You need more time to sit in that cold tub and now Honda and that red table. Yeah, you need more of recovery So I don't know how quick now look I know immediately after this game He went straight to the locker room putting them feet put them up up his in the car and a bucket of ice Yes, he got ice bags on his knees. Hetin' them feet, puttin' them up, puffin' them in the, and a bucket of ice.

He got ice bags on his knees, he got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible. But he is 40. He is, there's no way around, there's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's gonna be able to give you another virtuoso like he gave you tonight. They really need Luca to play better that so I don't know if he's gonna be able to give you another virtual so like

he gave you tonight they really need Luca to play better than what he played hopefully that bug will be a 24-hour book and it'll be some side of it be gone but I don't think if you think about it they didn't play bad I mean if you look at the total right, I mean I'm looking at LeBron LeBron had with LeBron had 38 Luca had 17 that's 55 and off the reeds had 20 that's 77 point No, but the problem is that you ran into Julius Randall had 22 McDaniels had 30 That's 52 and then you compare that with the 29 that Ant-Man had. So now you at 81.

And the auxiliary, you got nine from Mike Conley, you got 11, you got 10. So we're gonna need, we're gonna need, okay, three, they cancel each other out. Well, they got, I'll have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers they got to have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers are going to have to have somebody that go double figures, 15, 16, to offset

what Nas read and what, who's that? Devin Chimzo, what they gave you. I mean, look, they hit some shots. I mean, Devin Chimzo hit a crossover, cross Fannie Smith up, made him touch earth and then step back and held his leg up. Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out and banked it. I don't know how he made it from the, how he banked that from that angle, Joe. I still don't know how he did it. That's what the basketball guys, baby. You're living right. You're living right.

Hey, you're living right. Basketball guys give you some grace. That's what, that's why I say if you remember when they had COVID, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's an expert. He can shoot either hand. So if they want to have a horse competition, I would probably pick Mike.

It would be very interesting if Luca, Mike Colley, and Steph Curry were to enter it. It would be very interesting because all three of them can make some crazy, ridiculous ass shots. Yeah, they do do man. They do I'm gonna tell you something on Luca AR. They don't have to get on the bandwagon with uh We're brown or Joe, you know, like It's gonna take at least two of them to probably explode the you know to get a game in Minnesota

Because they seek and Luca every trip bro. So you gotta imagine that he got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Ron ain't got it. And then, aggressively, it's like we seeking for you every play. So he's having to exert a lot of energy to be able to put his stamp on the game, man. But yeah, he gonna have to step up for him. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah

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You make him work on the defensive end. So a oh Oh, you think you will drop 40 on me and really in coast on it in no you not right? Cuz I'm gonna try to give you 30 right? I'm gonna try to make you exert energy and now I will put your ass in the pick And roll I'm gonna make you fight over picks I'm gonna attack you cuz I'm gonna make you pick and roll. I'm gonna make you fight over picks. I'm gonna attack you, because I'm gonna make you exert, burn some of that energy, so you don't have as much on the other end. I agree with you, Joe.

I think, and the thing is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take 20 shots and make four and say, well, I had 25 points. That's not good. You need to go off like LeBron. You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. So I agree with you I think those two guys are

Luke and LeBron probably need to team up for about right in order for them to win this series They're gonna that 77 was good, but They might need to be around the 85 90 Between the between the three of them, Joe. Somebody's going to have a 40 point. Somebody's going to have to have a high 20 or a low 30. And the other guy's going to have to be in the mid-20s. In order for them to come, I can't count on the other guys.

That's going to, I can't go in and say, well, I know Fannie Smith going to give me 12 tonight. Well, Rui going to probably give me 16. I can't go in thinking that. Right. You know, we put a game plan together, Ocho. 12 tonight where Rui go probably give me 16. I can't go in thinking that right, right You know, we put a game plan together. Oh Joe. I like okay. Oh Joe gonna give me his eight Who's gonna give me probably five to six? Okay, I can rest this old Chris Harry He probably gonna give me four ones gonna probably be about 30 40

So I can pimp to that I kind of know what I'm gonna get right Outside of the outside of your top three. I'm not sure what I'm going to get from Rui. I'm not sure. I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Vando. I'm kind of maybe one three from Gabe Vincent. I don't know what I'm going to get from anybody else. And so it's hard, because those guys go off and they can still possibly lose.

But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance. Yeah, and listen, it's damn near just a three, I want to say two man because sometimes you know Reeves can get hot and when Reeves was on, he's on. But I like LeBron's approach to the game tonight. He didn't come out trying to facilitate. He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two. Luka was on fire. He allowed Luka to stay in rhythm. But LeBron approached the game differently. You know what? I'm gonna get myself a rhythm

and let the game come to everybody else, as it will, as it may. Luka wasn't feeling well tonight. Something had to be wrong. Whatever it is, they got to fix it for the next game, which is Sunday, right? I think so. I think the next game is gonna be Sunday, Ocho.

Yeah, if the next game is Sunday, I think it would be who LeBron took it to approach the game this same manner and being very aggressive early in the game. I think he has 16, but in the second quarter, something like that. Yeah, he had 20. LeBron had 14, he had 14 in the second.

He had six in the first, 14 in the second. He didn't, he was like, okay, I think Ochoa, he might've had five, seven, might've had like seven in the second and the third quarter. And then he had a back to back three, then it looked like he was about to let another one, cause Luca got a pass up to him in a hurry, and he just fumbled it.

And then the next thing, you know, they come back down. Cause when he smoked that layup, they hit a three. Then he fumbled the ball, and then they come back, and they hit a, they get enough, they get a, so that, those are swings and points, and in momentum when you do things like that. And you know what normally happens like that, Joe. You smoke one on one end,

they come back and get points on the other end. You turn the ball over, and now they right back at you in your kitchen. You gotta take care of that rock, man, especially in the playoffs. You know, every position, you know, is valuable. But here's my thing, you gotta take care of that rock man, especially in the playoffs, you know every position, you know, it's it's it's valuable But here's my thing you got and man a machine on free throws a night, man No, he's still a to me here 29 tonight, but he still ain't had one of them games one of them signature games

You know, I'm looking for him to go off about 40 45. Oh Joe. You hear me? Yeah, because if he goes for 45 Jane Daniels not gonna get 22 shots, so I hope you're right I hope you're right. It might be okay. He might be one of them efficient You know, he he was the best three-point shooter in the NBA this year. He was fine We had the most he yeah, he had the most three Listen he was five for ten from the three tonight. He's shooting that three ball now. Yeah But if you think about it McDaniel was 13 or 22

12 or 26 I can live with that but he got him he made about three in that fourth quarter He made some threes in the fourth that kind of that basically just Okay, the game's over. Yeah, and that's what you do You want to close it you want your clothes when he come in? more young more Rivera When you do Yankee got to the night me sometimes he got a four-hour save But most of the time mocho when they open that bullpen in the ninth inning and they say enter the fan man and he come by that bag and he You know, he got one bitch and all he thought is that cut fastball. That cut him.

Yeah. He go, that's my closer. And that's what you want. You want your closer. I will put the ball in your hands, delivers, get us this win. He put the ball in that man's hand and he made every right play. He hit the open guy or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about, you know, they had a lead.

Because look, the Lakers like okay We gonna make y'all go earn this one. Don't ball game. What did they do? Three instead of being now you're up five. Yeah, what'd he do again? He come back two point another three Give it to me. Give it to me now. Come on. Now. Come on be waiting for this I'll be waiting for it. Yeah, so I cannot it. So I cannot complain because Ant-Man did what he's supposed to do. And I'm thinking, if you're a coach, you are, JJ Reddick, Joe, you ain't thinking

J. McDaniels about to give you a 30 bomb? No. Joe, you ain't thinking, no, no. All right, give me the stats. How many times did J. McDaniels have 30 in the season? This is a career high form him. It was a career high But listen when you got you when you got your main guy and man pushing for him pushing for his co-star You know feeding that confidence into him like that like he gonna perform like this

You know, you don't have some some some career high games. I'm looking for him to have another one I'm looking for him to have another one. I'm not. I'm going to be honest with you. Because he's a starter, but he's a role player. And role players, and I will say, I can see this, they normally play better at home. You know, your third, fourth receivers, they normally play better at home.

Cry back at them as as opposed on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar in their environment, got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another 30 piece. Julius Randall, like you said, he's a bulldog. You're asking an awful lot because you don't really, because if you ask LeBron to bang with you basically the whole night,

he ain't gonna be giving you nothing on offense. Not at point. Not the bang, not the bang, the bang. Because Julius trying to bang. And listen, that's Julius, that's why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game. Mislayup, just a fumble of the ball. Because I knew if he had caught that ball clean, he'd probably gonna let it ride for three. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And the one he smoked, he smoked dog that one. He like, man, I ain't even got it in me. Hey, hey, I ain't even got it in me. I ain't even got it in me tonight. But I thought, look, we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over, but somebody forced those turnovers.

Now to miss free throws, that ain't that it. You just missed that's like a concentration. You can't miss six free throws in the first half. You can't. Because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers, some of them, I mean, Luca dribbled the ball off the back of half the back of his foot. Rudy Gobert snatched it. Rudy, Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand, Luca. Really? Hey, you wearing him down. You can't have him. You wearing him down, huh?

You wearing him down. And three, you know, from you picking up, from game one, picking up that energy, and effort making him work on both ends of the floor, at some point, this is the plan, is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes. And you know, it helps the Timberwolves. And that's kind of what's been happening. That's how you

have to do it. I mean you got a guy like Luke cause he's immensely confident. He sees a couple go in, now he's gonna start, he's gonna like okay, okay, okay I got it. But and the thing is with him if you watch him, he can miss three or four threes and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four. The shot that he hit on Julius Reddick he had no shot. He had no business making that. Man. I don't even know why he took it. Listen, it was some elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes who make some tough shots, bro. And this is why we watched, man. The the game was it was definitely fun to watch tonight

I'm dudes competing at a super high level Which is why we starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in this postseason too, by the way Yeah, guys are playing hard man. You having these freaky freak accidents, man You know one look one look injury could could you know derail something's playoff hopes, you know what I mean? You're right, and I think the thing is that, got, first of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively, because you got a 41-year-old guy that was an all-NBA player, but he can't move like he once could.

Yeah. Luca and AR, they're not good defensive players. So you got three guys really that are not defend, first of all, when you put those guys out there, Rui is not known as a defender. That's not what he's good at. Dorian Phoenix-Smith is okay. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender,

but I think he's okay, he's adequate. So you got a bunch of guys, you got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another. Right. So now I don't got no, when I put LeBron into five, yeah, he in back line defense. Or Rui playing to five, whomever, four or five doesn't matter.

Yeah. Because when Ant-Man come through there, it's Ole. Ole, he coming through that, talking that shit. You ain't finna put me on your card. I ain't finna be on your card. Damn your poster. Because don't nobody buy posters no more. They got cards.

And so you not finna have that man signing over the top of my, I can't believe Luke is jumping with that man all the way he was thinking about. And Luke out here tripping. Hey, I tried. You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do.

Right. Hey, Ojo, you know what I'm saying. You go over the middle like, damn, that's really high, but I got to give it an effort. No. Hey, Ojo, you know you're gonna get blown up like, damn. I'm saying you go over the bill like damn that's really high, but I got to give it an effort. No How far you back how far you back there, okay Yeah, okay

Hey look I would have been already on that block over there before he went baseline. Just let him know don't even come this way Man come baseline blinded you I knew it was over with oh Yeah, I Got a catchable joke. Hey you Joe. I'm gonna catch it run the other way with you You ain't done it on me. I'm gonna run the other way with you What you doing? Hey, you're not gonna put me up. You're not gonna jump. You ain't dunking on me. I'm gonna run the other way with you. Man, what you doing? You're not finna put me on no posters. Nobody want that smoke when that young boy come. Nah, I ain't finna get no. I'm not finna be on your highlight. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not. I'm not. Your game four is Sunday. Probably. Nah, it's probably gonna be the late game.

Probably gonna be late game. What time? What time? What time do they play as you go look up the time? They what you think, Joe, you think they're going to be what the third game? You're going to be prime time. They plan and I don't think I don't think they will be prime time because who is going to be the second game. Oh, the second game. They plan and I don't think I don't think they gonna be primetime because uh who uh It's gonna be the second game 330 gave it is it is not well, I guess 530 would be considered prime, but it's gonna be it's gonna be

ABC game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you got a man to Luca. Yeah, cuz they nobody ain't nobody else got stars like that You got a man you got Luca you got broad. Yeah ain't nobody else got nobody else got stars like that. You got Ant-Man. You got Luca. You got Braun Yeah, ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston. Not not Indy Milwaukee not the Knicks and in Detroit So nobody has what they have. Okay, so New York Detroit is the 10 a.m. Game Lakers, Minnesota 1230. And then you got Boston, Orlando. Huh? 10 a.m. No, 10 a.m., which means it's one, one, one.

It's one East Coast time. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. As you're looking at it. Okay, okay. As you're looking at it at a specific time. But no, it's one o'clock, and then it's the 3.30 game, and then you got the, the seven, and then you got the 630 game.

So it's gonna be, they gonna bounce back. I like, I'm not overly concerned. I'm not overly concerned. I love the confidence. I love the confidence. I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers. I like it. Yeah, we're gonna have a very interesting,

a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe. Mark my word. Hey, they need to win game four. We gonna win, they don't need to, we done won. Oh, okay. Okay. Hey, hey, go, hey, now you saw, you saw just a sample of what Go James is capable of.

You just saw a sample Yeah, I know what he could do. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on matter of fact matter of fact, how confident are you? What? Yeah, the matter of fact we don't get to my money cuz you said you gonna have my money in Green Bay Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on scale of one to ten scale of one to ten How confident are you in the Lakers winning game winning game for Sunday? Eight point on a scale of 1 to 10. 8.5. Hey, what? You see that? That's cool. That's dope. Hey, you better look for some of them profiles. You better send them some of them to get them right.

You're gonna need it. Yeah, Luca. You better send them some of them profiles. No excuses. Before we get to the rest of these NBA games, we gotta start to talk about what happened not only yesterday, last night, Ocho, you and I were at Lambeau Field for the first round of the draft, but today, rounds two and three has passed and Shadour Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected. Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there.

We knew that once he had his workout, they canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed to know. Boom. Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, Jalen Miro, Dylan Gabriel. Now, for context, Tyler Shuck, Jalen Milrow, Dylan Gabriel. Now for context, I want to provide context with all of you, because that's what we like to do here.

Daniel Jeremiah has Shadour the second ranked quarterback four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shadour was the 20th best overall player. Jackson Dart, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Dart, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shuck, 75th overall best player. Jalen Milro, 86th. Dylan Gabriel, 148. Mel Kiper Jr., the guru, just four days ago,

had Shadour rank over Cam Ward. He had Shadour as the fifth best player. Cam Ward as the sixth best player. Jackson Dart as theour as the fifth best player. Cam Ward is the sixth best player. Jackson Dart at the 28th, the best player. Tyler Shook 46. Pro football focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today Cam Ward, Cam Ward went first.

The Giants traded back into the first round or Joe to take Jackson Darcy 25th, Tyler shook with 40 to the saints. And we thought there should do it could possibly be nine go nine to the saints there. Nope. They take Tyler shook Jalen Milro 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks and Dylan Gabriel 94th to the Browns now We're doing talking about well should do arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland and then you got

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'm gonna tell you give me a second. Oh, Joe Baltimore outside Pittsburgh outside Cincinnati, Cleveland. I Don't see what Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than Shadoor's. I could be wrong. I could be. I could be. But I don't know. And I know I'm gonna turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions.

I'm gonna turn it over to you. I'm gonna say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to like really following the draft and understanding where players are going getting drafted back in 87 In almost 40 years I've never seen anything like this Yeah, um, I've never seen nothing like this myself Obviously, I know I only played a short time But I've been around long enough to know obviously the year that the 11 12 years I did play and all the time

I've been I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are regardless of what scouts may say. The eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watched the door play from high school to college in Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado. I want everybody to understand that you're never bigger than the program. You will never be bigger than the program no matter who you are and

they will show you. They will always remind you at any given time if at any point you think you are bigger than the program and that is all we see and that's all we're seeing right now. Joe, that is all we're seeing right now, regardless of who you are. There's some things I think Prime might've said, I don't wanna quote it, but he said it's similar to- There's some places I don't wanna go, we're not gonna go. Bingo, what Archie Manning said when it came to Eli.

Same thing, no different. Anyway, I got something today I really wanna read. chat. I want you to listen to me real quick I'm not here to to stir up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted I want you to listen to something that was sent that was sent to me on Instagram Chat y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very very closely What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that is What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that has never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less in a free black family. The NFL, with all its pageantry and power, finds itself uncomfortable, even threatened

when it likes to the Sanders family walk into a room not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion Shador, this family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them. And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them, and us, that there is still a place for black folk, and it's not at the head of the table.

But in tragedy, you see, is not in their refuse to bow, but is in the nation's fear of black excellence, unchained. The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves. Yeah. Um, I was talking, I was talking to my sister.

She said, well, you thank your door. I said, Libby, I'm gonna be honest with you. If you don't go into second round, I think he might slide out of the third. Uncle, it's all a game. It's, it's, it's all a game. It's all a game. Pocho, your draft story, my brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait long. First round, seventh pick, boom, he gone. On the plane, on the plane to Green Bay, boom. You. Second round. Hey, with red flags, with character issues, school to school, bouncing over and over. Why'd he go here?

Why'd he go here? Bad. Still. Second round. We taking a chance on him. There ain't no off-the-field issues with Shadoor. No issues, no nothing. Oh, he's arrogant. Oh, he's arrogant. Good, great. Oh, he's cocky. I have a question. What was Johnny Manziel? Cocky. Oh, give you one better.

What was- Baker Mayfield. What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield? Okay, now, now what I will say, when it comes to college and you watch film, that motherfucker, oops, I'm sorry. Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield,

boy, they played, they were absolutely awesome. But again, you can't take away what Chidor was able to do at a Denver, Colorado team that won one game. They come back the next year with Chidor, win four. We have four and five, I think they won five. And then the next year I think they win nine. Yeah, I heard, what did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game. So in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado.

What? Hey, Ocho, so question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do do we do three rounds already Oh Lord have mercy Joe I'm only watching I'm trying to see to get dressed I'm hoping I'm hoping I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Because here's the- Okay, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what do they do?

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So at what point does it come on a team as I'm not even going to mention anything about free agency, what if they prove a point in making way to the seven? This possible, Ocho? What point are they trying to prove? Especially at this point, Joe, I've never, I've never ever seen anything like this. No, I haven't. I'm not talking about, I'm not talking about black and white.

I'm not, I ain't talking about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes. Based on where he was ranked. Compared to other quarterbacks, compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward, what are we looking at? Yeah. I'm not a scout, I'm not a GM, but I do have common sense and I do understand and know the game You're not telling me everybody that is drafted before him. It what are we talking about?

Again, I'm happy for everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying We're not trying to diminish anybody We try to make sense of what we're seeing with Shador. Because I think the thing is, Ocho, if there is an injury that we didn't know about, we saw Will Howard, the cornerback out of what you call him, he had a propensity when they gave him the scan, they say he has a high risk for knee injury. So he slid down, okay?

If there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't, the guy got great, he was on, I think the honor roll, I think he had a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Look, like I said, O on Joe you and I don't know

Excuse me what those 32 teams and how they view him, right? You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good. I don't think that bad you right like red I like black you like this. I like that. So I don't know I don't know Based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this and it's their opinion is subjective but nobody I don't think anybody really has your door Pat Cam wards like Mel Capra has your door one. Yeah as far as quarterback

Most everybody had him too behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop, and guys, I mean some guys had Dylan Gabriel when he had him ranked. The 148th best player. Mill wrote the 86th best player. Tyler Shultz 75th. Shadour almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft. He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's a day three possible.

Well, that's it, it's day three. So you get one, two, and then you go, you know, rounds four through seven. Listen, I've never seen collusion like this before, ever. I've never seen it. And you know what it is, let's call a spade a spade. For those that are watching, for those that are in the chat, I'm not saying there's anything wrong

with those that were drafted before him. I'm just saying based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from that specific position. Now, the only thing I can say, the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and his confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that, but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels?

How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skillset and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing, but that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approached the same game with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief, similar to him. So to me, it really makes no sense, but again, nothing.

And they will always, time and time, remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all this is that's all to Come down and it could be a good thing for him, too You know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity He carried a chip on his shoulder man. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, well all the Dallas and they say is the people who didn't believe in him and teens who?

Continue to pass up on him. You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro You know you let them know what's up. So I don't know it could be a blessing in the sky Tom Brady, but people that were Tom Brady went to say he went to six rounds But Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as you do it Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six seven games of his senior season, right? Right, so that's the difference. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be. I had a very similar story to Shador because people are like, well, if he was that good,

why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't have got into Juco. Only place I could get into because there was no, you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a division two school as you did a division one because my year, Ocho 1986, it would have it. That was the first year of Prop 48. So you had to make 700. Remember I told you my credit score by four?

Yeah. I was also by SAT score by four. Now they give you a hundred to put your name on the thing. I don't know, I might have got that wrong. I might have left the ER. I might have left the ER for my own name. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Joe. Don't hold me to that, now.

I'm laughing with you because I was a prof. when I went to college too. I didn't have my AC score. And, you know, it was challenging, bro. We didn't take the SAT SAT we took the ACT and you know back then on choke you know i played a game that i played a game that friday night and then i yeah my sister drive me to georgia southern to take that test is they man they playing not them chances i'm looking at all those students they writing

i'm just sitting there like i don't know nothing on here them chairs and I'm looking at all those students, they writing. I'm just sitting there like, I don't know nothing on here. You know, it's like, listen, I ain't even, I ain't even got no business laughing. I, I don't even have no business laughing because you got to understand. I had my, I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You got to understand I graduated from BTI. Hell, I didn't even graduated from goddamn high school

all the time. My grades are so bad. Listen, Joe, Joe, I swear to God, listen, we family. We family, we can talk, man. We can talk, we family. My dream, my dream was I wanted to go to FAMU. So I'm coming to high school, my grandma say, mama, I want to go down to FAMU right there in Tallahassee.

My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you. I'm gonna give you your options on where you might be able to go down to family right there in Tallahassee. My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you. I'm going to give you your options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't going to be family. I ended up at Langston University, NAIA school, obviously. I'm sure we have some people in the chat from Oklahoma, ended up at Langston University. Get there the first semester, I get thrown out for fighting. I get thrown out for fighting, bro. I get thrown out for fighting.

Man, I never forget, rest his soul. Dr. Ernest Holloway, rest in peace. Shipped me back to Miami. I come to my grandma, I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know, my roommate, I think my roommate stole my pal, my pal grand money. My grandma said, listen, baby, I've done all I can with you.

I washed my hands. I got to send you to your mama out there in LA. Let me see what she can do with you. That's how I ended up at Santa Monica College. 1997 with Steve Smith. Boom, that's two years down. So I played with Steve that first year. Lo and behold, here I go again, not going to class.

I'm thinking, you know, I'm a skill set. It's going to get me through the door. Man, and people don't play that. they don't play that goddamn Santa Monica. Oh no. Hey Joe, I'm in, I'm ineligible the third year. So I got to sit out in the third year. So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes. I'm at West LA doing classes and I'm doing classes at Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in 1999. That's four years. I'd go out there, I'd get my stuff together. I had one for one scholarship.

I had two schools offer me a full ride, one for one. San Diego State Aztecs and Coach Dennis Erickson, he was at Oregon State. Man, I, hey Joe, I squeezed through the crack. I got to Oregon State, man, all I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage just to show them folks I could play football. That's it.

Once I got the organ stage, man, I played. I was there four months. I ain't go to nan class. I ain't go to no classes. I already knew. You already know what it was. Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus was straight football.

Hey, Joe, I showed out the organ stage, that little what, that little four months I had. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Oregon State that little what that little four months I had, man, I got drafted in the second round despite all my issues with all my troubles, all my off the field stuff. I ain't look bad since. They asked me, they say, well, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Shannon, uh, your grades, what, what, what the rest of them? I say these ain't looking too good and the ones that coming tomorrow ain't gonna look much better. So I don't know what y'all, Ocho,

I don't know what y'all hoping for, but this is all I got for you. This is it. This is it, that is all. This is my freshman year, hey look, my freshman year in college, Ocho, I got a prime 48, so I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah, as a freshman, I can go to the games,

I gotta sit in the stands, I gotta watch the dudes, I gotta watch my homies grind out there, you know what I mean, I can go to the games, I got to sit in the stands, I got to watch the dudes, I got to watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete. I'm like, so it built up a fire in me, so when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC, bro. You know what I mean? So yeah.

Sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know, you can must up some fire to continue, you can must up some fire that when you get out there, you can let him know what's up, you know what I mean? And so, for sure. That's why when it goes back to Shadour, man, you know, wherever he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy. And hopefully he wore that chip, man, he let him know what's up, you know, put, put,

get back in that, get back in that lair. You, you, you absolutely right. And the funny thing about it too, wherever Shadrub come, wherever he goes, I love the saying, it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you get there. Absolutely.

And I understand the competitor. I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever, and wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in and there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever

odds or collusion they have against dad. When he gets a chance, he gonna show him. I know that. Just the competitive in him him, he not gonna hold his head. He not gonna let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door, and he close it behind him, after they playing the game they played these past two days,

man, child please. Man. Yeah, like I said Ocho, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds. And I say, man, I say, Spank, I went to the East West Shrine game,

I went to the blue gray, I went to the combine. I said, man, them guys, they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw them, I see all of them. I said, I went to guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they not better than me, Spank. I said, I saw them. I see all of them. I said, I went to the East West Shrine game and I was the best receiver there. I said, I said, I said, all I want is an opportunity. Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads.

And hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm gonna throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swim back to shore. That's who get it Yeah, I like that. That's it. Like hold on and what about the reports? What about it for us now? This is happened multiple players have done this he didn't throw at the combine Yeah, but he but he threw but he threw at his pro day and the pro day Yeah, there's been a lot of guys that don't know because I want to throw it I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them right because it's not gonna bring a guy You're not gonna bring a guy in on a Sunday, and he hadn't thrown to those guys So I want to you know hey, I want to see I know how my guys run routes

I they know how I throw the ball boom is a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good and possibly Oh Joe there might be some guys if I don might be some guys, if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what? The Scouts are not gonna come to see them because everybody's not gonna be a first or second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them any good light. I just look, it's tough and nothing.

When you're going through something, you have people that you gonna be all right. Hey, at that point in time, Mocho, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see all I can see with what's in front of me. All right. Because it takes a special type of a person

to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here. No, not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be. It's tough. It's tough. Uh, and I heard what you said and you know, and like I said, I heard people where they wish to be. It's tough. It's tough. And I heard what you said,

and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean, he really extremely confident, but his game doesn't match the confidence. Coach Prime, whatever, look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position when Prime was there. So I don't know how I wouldn't know how, I wouldn't, you know,

guys, I don't, I don't wanna make this team, oh Joe, you and I played this game, we covered this game, and we've been around this game a long time. These teams gonna do what the hell they wanna do. Now they done told y'all, y'all they gonna make a, have this guy in quarterback or have this guy as a coach.

We gonna do what the hell we wanna do. They're gonna select who they wanna select and they believe that, hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks is better than Shadour. We believe Jackson Dart. We believe Shook. We believe Milro.

We believe their upside is better than Shadour. Hmm. How do we how do we prove? that it's not I Mean Dylan Dylan Gabriel did throw for had like a hundred and fifty. I mean he got what 16 17,000 yards He got under this 30 140 plus test out. I don't know but I'm just saying it's I I don't know, but I'm just saying. It's, I just, I don't know what, chat, I'm at a loss. I'd normally wouldn't be able to have, give you a good,

give you a good excuse or a good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse. I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid. I have some intel, red flags, even though I wouldn't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hand around and then I let you deduce it for yourself. Folks, y'all don't got nothing. I don't got nothing. It's not about Graves. He doesn't have a pre-existing condition. He doesn't have, oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident.

He believes in himself, which is, I think, one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence, a belief in you. Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, Joe? Nobody. Yeah? You always gotta believe in yourself, man, up most.

I don't know. All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there, no coaches saw it. No other players I did this I believe to me. I believe that I was prepared for something greater Even though the circumstances that I was in currently look it ain't it. I mean it should tell you something to get yes His dad gave him Great opportunity great coaches. He you know, he was with Brady and he had a throwing coach whatever the case may be Great coaches. He you know, he was with Brady and he had a throwing coach whatever the case may be

End up what parents supposed to do put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed So why would I if I had the opportunity? To put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed No, I'm not gonna do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make? Mm-mm. None at all. Man. So. Listen, listen, you don't need 20-20 vision.

And those in the chat, even if you don't like Shadoor, those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is at this point. You know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted

before, if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before Shadour at the quarterback position, even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is. And if you don't, you're just being purposeful, you're purposefully being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against the Sanders family. This has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done.

No. Ever been done. I've never seen it. And people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level, like stop, man. Stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons.

But all of a sudden, he... Come on now. Shuduri even got Frank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer. Man, whoever did this, man, y'all some clowns, bro. I don't know. Man. I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guys on edge, and you're just hoping that you get a call.

I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get. Obviously, you wanna get it as early as you possibly can, but just, and then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys? Come on man. Sean Pave says he's very surprised Shadour hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on his shoulder. There'll be this chip on his shoulder and beware because this guy is going to play in this league. Yeah. Shadour's in good spirits after not getting drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah.

Check this out. Kyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence, was a freshman at Oregon with Bo Bo. He turns 26 when the season starts and he's had three seasons that ended in injury. So now you're talking about, oh, y'all remember I said,

does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about? Right. Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury. All I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to, Ocho and I, when we talk sports, when we talk, we have to give you

context to say, okay, this guy went here. Because I'm trying to explain, well, Shannon, maybe he has a pre-existing condition. Maybe there's a character issue off the field. Maybe he has some kind of a problem. We don't know. But we know one guy is about to be 26. I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22. I don't even know how old I was. I was 22. As a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was 21 when I got drafted. I don't even know how old I was. I was 22. As a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was 21 when I got drafted. I turned 22 in June.

This guy's about to turn 26. There's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then hope Shadoor makes the best of it. Joe, let me ask you this. What do you think, what's the equivalent of something like this happening to NBA? Do you know a player that was rated extremely high

and not only did he fall out of the, he's supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA it ended up having to become a NBA free agent the one person I can really remember is a

Probably Rashad Lewis him sitting in the green room Because you know that yeah, there's a draft and I think he's probably the last one in the green room And I think he thought he was going lottery and I think he ended up going in a second round Okay. Yeah, that's tough, bro Like I couldn't imagine that like it's already excited, you know from being in there They told me I was gonna be a top 10 pick off and I'll show so I was invited to I was invited to the green room I'm sitting in there. Look even though you know people people don't make promises and all that but I'm like, man You never know bro, you know, right? Yeah, I mean? So, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted,

getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand. Just a memorable moment for me. And man, I remember it like it was yesterday, bro. But yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know nobody who's kind of got left back there like that, but it's got to be a tough feeling. You know what I mean? Hey look, yeah, the Rashad had a great career from there, bro. He probably still wears a chip on his shoulders to this day You're probably you're probably right, you know when you look at a I Mean Thurman Thomas Turman Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he's gonna be a first-round pick

He goes in the second round Thurman's in the Hall of. He thought he was gonna be a first round pick. He goes into second round. Thurman's in the Hall of Fame. He won the MVP and I think 91. So, yeah, but a precipitous fall like this. I can't recall it. Never, ever. The volume. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you

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