Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves BEAT the Lakers to win the series 4-1 & Rockets beat the Warriors to extend series!

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Minnesota Timberwolves beat the Los Angeles Lakers in LA to win the series 4-1, Rockets blow out Warriors to force a game 6 in the Bay Area & much more!01:47 - Intro04:08 - Timberwolves vs. Lakers42:15 - JJ Redick storms out of presser48:37 - Rockets vs. Warriors(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You won't miss it. You don't want to miss it. Go get your tickets now The Teen Wolf's knock out the Lakers guys. I was pressed time. What I meant to say Lakers going home and fine That's what I meant. But y'all, you know y'all y'all don't let me finish my thongs. Don't let me finish my sentences if somebody would have told me Joe the Ant-Man was gonna struggle shooting the ball tonight and They were gonna win this game because Rudy Gobert was gonna be one of the few guys in a playoff game to have a 2020 game I would not say, okay, I like that. Rudy Gobert came into the game averaging three points and six rebounds on the night. And he gave you 27 and 24.

He gave you nine offensive rebounds. They had 18 offensive rebounds. They crushed the Lakers on the glass. 54 to 37. 18 to eight on the offensive end. 36 to 29 on the glass, 54 to 37, 18 to eight on the offensive end, 36 to 29 on the defensive end for a total of 54 for the Wolves, 37 for the Lakers. And you get Ant Man shooting five of 19 for 15 points.

You got Jayden Daniels that was in foul trouble. He ended up filing out with only eight points. Mike Conley did hit a big three down the stretch, but he only had eight points. But again, it was the undoing of their bench. They got 22 points from their bench. The Lakers got four. I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna turn it over to you, Joe.

JJ Stubborn, for him not to play Jackson Hayes, to play Maxie Cleaver, who hadn't played, I don't know the last time he played. And you play him. And a lot of these guys, guys like and like I'm saying I'm not saying it would have made a difference But it's like you're not don't play the guy at all after Rudy because you put LeBron into four you're so small Yeah, you're really really small cuz LeBron is six nine

So LeBron is the tallest guy you got and Rudy just was playing tap tap tap tap tap What did you like? How did the Wolves able to win this game and on the road in a hostile environment? I think the T Wolves really knew what was at stake tonight. Knowing that they wanted to try to go and get this over with. The Lakers looked so lethargic to start the game. They did. The T Wolves.

No sense of urgency. The T Wolves had all the energy. They had the sense of urgency as if they was on the brink, you know what I mean? And they kind of controlled the whole entire game. It wasn't one time in the game that I thought the Lakers, you know, even though they made their little surge at the end. Yeah, got a one point lead, yep.

But I never felt threatened that they was going to win the game, I'm going to be honest. They just had no fluidity offensively, no chemistry. It was just pick and roll, try to exploit Braun in the post. And man, even though Ant-Man, he didn't shoot well, I thought he put a lot of pressure on those guys. And Rudy won the game for you. This is why you probably put Dorian Finch-Smith at the five, because you really want to eliminate Rudy.

You want to get him to where he can't play. He's bound to have a game like this to where he can't play. Right. He's bound to have a game like this to where he can win you a game. And tonight, I mean, man, everything was falling his way from the lobs, the putbacks, just being aggressive. Randall, probably I'd give him the game, but I know Rudy was special tonight. But Randall, they have no answer for him

when they run the pick and roll and get a mismatch. Even if they play great defense, he's still banging them one time, getting to a great shot. You know what I mean? So their interior just has no presence and we knew this coming into the playoffs. We knew they had no interior presence and tonight's show, man, they got worn out in this series and the young T-Wolves took advantage took advantage man of a wounded animal because They didn't have oh Joe you and I talked about this or choice. Oh Joe. They don't have a big Yeah, I said they if they run into somebody with a big that can punish them

We were looking at I was looking at from a standpoint. Well, okay. Okay if they run into a yokich Yes, or if they run it and I'm trying to think of the big that was in there Maybe if they run into st. Shingoon, yeah But I wasn't thinking about Rudy go bare because I don't think of Rudy go bear than offensive weapon This was Rudy Rudy go bears 27 points playoff career high 24 rebounds playoff career high Oh, Joe, I'm gonna go I'm gonna let you have it after this. Yes, sir players with at least 25 points in 20 And 20 rebounds on 75% field goal shooting. How you like these names?

Shaquille O'Neal, Will Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Hull Grant, Wes Umsall, Rudy Gobert. Shaq MVP, Will, four times MVP, Moses, three times MVP. Hull Grant was a very important card to a championship in Chicago and at the Lakers. Wes Lundsell, he just happened to be rookie of the year and MVP in the same season, but also in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah.

I thought it was great. I thought it was great tonight. I thought Rudy was great. He's in there with some of the greats now. You know, and he gave the Lakers, he him problems tonight uncle Ocho, you know, they yeah They had no when I thought he played great off of Randall and Edwards, you know what I mean? Meaning by their aggression get into the basket whether it's him getting put in outcome They kind of got him going cuz he scored it opened him up

Yeah, because now you come to help you come guy gets beat you go to help you see a lob it Because here's the thing they didn't run that one play for Rudy Nah, all he did was give me he called lobs and he got it off the rim and dunk it home Yeah, and he got some early He got he got a couple easy layups and dunks early which kind of got him going and he kind of carried it throughout the whole Night and defensively he was a master blocking shots all 20 shots and offensively he was just a clean-up man Yeah, what what you think go Joe? Hey, listen Not only was it a clean-up man to piggyback on what Joe talked about Listen when you get cut and they tell you not to get an ocean

They take not to get notion for a reason there's one shark smell blood in the water But he coming to get you and the timber will spell they smell blood tonight a game like this They smell blood at night. A game like this, 3-1, you know you got to put some type of effort, some type of intensity going forward. The Lakers came out, they came out flat. They came out flat. The Wolves had already beat them at home before. So coming into again, coming into that hostile environment, they already got confidence. Listen, we've already done it before.

So what's the chance that we can do it again? The likelihood is probably good. Even where Anthony Edwin not having the type of game you have to have, you have the unlikely person that comes out and wins the game for you. Rudy Gobert, he dominated both ends of the court, neutralized it, LA drives, he feasted on second chance points. Funky looking bad. It's looking bad. It was bad. Having he feasted on second chance points Okay looking bad it's looking bad it was bad

And no, I don't know how you feel I feel for you even with Really struggling from the field Julius Randall they had no answer for him. Thank you. No, that's a farm, you know, and He's a he's a big body that loves to bang it takes it out of you If like I said if you told me that the Ant Man gonna play 43 minutes Joe He's gonna go 5 or 19 from the floor. He'll be 0 of 11 from 3 I know Joe we got this one in the bag We got I don't know Julius Randall gonna give you Julius Randall number. He's gonna be somewhere between 18 and 25 Okay, I'm not working so so but you telling me Ant-Man is gonna struggle?

So I'm looking okay, so who else can win a game? I saw Jaden Daniels play really well. Nas Reed has had a game. Nas Reed played 21 minutes, he gave you three points. Yeah. I mean, Devin Chienzo, he was 3 of 13, 2 of 12. He gave you 9 points. Nikhil Alexander Walker, he gave you 10 points. That was the bench production. But if you tell me they're gonna fight, y'all, the Lakers are gonna hold the T-Woods 40% from the floor, 15% from the three-point line.

Oh, Joe, hey, Joe, we going back to Minnesota. And I ain't talking about to the Mallard of America. We going back to Kickbutt. Hey, it don't seem, it seemed like the Lakers had Exhausts almost every option just to get a bucket. It seems so hard for them to come across points I'm like man, why does it seem like it's so hard for them to score in in meanwhile? Minnesota just putting their head down get to the basket fouls layups and will Shot 30 shot 33 free throws.

Gabe Vinson in the last two games didn't give him no points. He played 26 minutes. He did get a couple of rebounds, a couple of assists, but you can't win like that. Jared Vanderbilt, he's a lot like Ben Simmons. He's not really looking to score unless he got an uncontested layup or dunk. So now that hurts you on the offensive end

because they know that. So now his hurts you on the offensive end because they know that. So now his guys will always look to help. Uh, you know, give, give the wolves, give the wolves credit. Um, they deserve, they, they earned this one. Laker 16 points in the fourth quarter. You're right there. You, you down 10, you claw back, you're outscoring 31 to 22. So you down one and miss free throws. I don't think, like I said, to 22, so you down one and miss free throws. I don't think, like I said, Luke could hurt that back and I was surprised that he was able to come back in and give you what he had.

He did give you 16 points in the second half. LeBron didn't play well tonight. Rue, I thought Rue played really well tonight. Yeah, he gave him a great bull. Rue was that damn hot by hitting threes. Austin Reeves struggled again, I mean, Austin Reeves struggled again shooting the ball. Look, you got three guys. The Lakers are going to have to get some depth though, Joe.

They're going to have to get somebody to come off the bench. They need a big band. And I understand there's no bigs out there. Oh Joe, you and I was talking about this. They got Alex Lin. All they got is a seven foot coach. He probably go coach high school or be an assistant in college.

He gave him nothing and then he became unplayable. Jackson Hayes, I just don't, look, I don't think they were counting on him to give them much, but he really didn't give them anything. He became what I expect the Rudy Gobert to become, which was unplayable. But here's the thing though. You see, the regular season is so much different than the playoffs. Okay oh you seen how right when they got Luca they had that surge so they was playing well everybody was talking

yes they were gonna come out the wits and they were they they were number one in defense i don't know how but they were number one in defense and they was playing some extreme basketball. But when you get to playoffs, the playoffs, you want to expose teams weaknesses, right? Yes. You want to try to eliminate their strengths and expose their weaknesses. Their weaknesses was the interior presence on offense and defense. They had, they didn't have no answer for that. They explored it. The Timberwolves explored it. The Lakers all on series. I told you since from game one, I was like, man, the Timberwolves, they scaredakers all on series. I told you since from game one, I was like, man, the Timberwolves, they scared me.

They came in, took the game one, had home court throughout and they gentlemen sweep, closing the deal on the road. Go ahead, Ochoa. I got a question for y'all. Now listen, you said JJ Braddock was stubborn, you know, based on the rotation, what he was able to, what he did with the bench. When you think about the rotation, you think about the bench, for the lack of projection that they already have, would the rotation even matter?

Well, I think the thing is, Uncle. All you have is Luca and LeBron. They already show up, Rui showed up tonight, but they're so inconsistent game to game. Hell, it's confusing JJ on what he needs to be able to do to even give them a chance to win when everybody's playing so inconsistent. Sometimes LeBron has nights off, sometimes Luca has nights off. So he can't even find himself in the rhythm to get the right rotation in the game to even give the Lakers a chance to win. I say he's stubborn. What did he do? What did he do in game four? He played those starting five the entire second half. You see that's

stubborn. Right. You see okay. Jackson Hayes you're not gonna... Jackson Hayes doesn't even take his warm-up off. That's stubborn because, well, Jackson, you are not giving us anything anyway, but at some point in time, you're like, well, hey, we gotta have somebody to try to keep, hey, you got one job, Jackson, keep Rudy off the glass. Yeah, I don't know. That's the only job.

And, but, how you gonna keep, when Rudy is seven two, and your tallest guy is 6-9? I mean he just I mean he just reaches up getting the ball and dunking it back in they're doing dump off because like I said you got 40 years old LeBron and LeBron is not sitting in the chair anymore out what he'll a he could be he'll make a great chase down he weak side and occasionally he can make a play but that's not his that's not where he's great at currently Luca can't play defense AR can't play defense.

So you get guys getting beat up one to two dribbles. So now your interior has to come. So even though they're not real protectors, they come, they drop off, Rudy, boop. Rudy, boop. Or with the lob. JJ went to that zone, bruh, and said, come on, we got to go, man,

five, we got to get out of that zone. They're picking us apart. They try to get your wrinkle in there to try to, bruh, say come on, we got to go man, five, we got to get out of this zone. They're picking us apart. They try to get your wrinkle in there to try to switch it up, but anything that the Lakers did, it was wrong tonight, Uncle Ocho. The T-Wolves, when they went to their zone, what'd they do? They hit the middle of the zone, now we got to dump down the Rudy. That's it. Playout for three, you're giving us too many options.

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Seven two, seven three Rudy Gobert. And you got guys and you're so afraid that they're going to make the three. So now you're scrambling to try to get out to the three. So if you miss because you got guys scrambling that means somebody that means a gay Vincent That means a dough. Yeah, it's trying to hold Rudy Rudy go bear off from getting an offensive rebound. That's not gonna work That's not gonna work But you know what look we can talk about this this says says more about the wolves. We know the Lakers have some deficiencies. It's gonna be interesting to see how they repair those

because they got problems. This ain't no situation where we can troubleshoot. You know what I'm saying? We go up on the A. We got problems. Yo, we got problems. This ain't no troubleshoot. This ain't no issue.

This is a problem. See we can troubleshoot We can troubleshoot issues like okay. I think you know, okay. Okay. We'll try this try no no no no no This is a major problem that we got right here Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's talk about one thing about problems. There has to be a solution When you say this there's a problem. There has to be a solution You say there's no troubleshooting and you say they need a big What would you like to see the Laker do going forward, going into next season that will give them a chance?

Because having a big is a good thing, down the stretch, in the playoffs. So when you come to, when you're playing games like this, you can go big, when you're not playing as small, where you at a disadvantage, or do you go and get another superstar, make it a big- Nah, you don't need another superstar. I don't know if you have the pieces to and get another superstar, make it a big? No, you don't need another superstar.

I don't know if you have the pieces to go get another superstar, because now that's gonna even weaken more of your depth, because you don't have depth to begin with. Remember, that's what killed Phoenix, they got no depth. So yeah, you got three big guys, but when one of those guys go out or two of those guys go out, now what do you have?

So it's basically Luke and LeBron can never leave the court together. If you know that, they always gotta be staggered. Yeah. So normally Luca plays the entire first quarter, LeBron plays about nine to 10 minutes. Luca starts the game on the bench, LeBron comes back, and so LeBron normally goes out with about six minutes,

six or seven minutes in the second quarter. So he normally, they try to play LeBron somewhere goes out with about six minutes, six or seven minutes in the second quarter. So he normally, they try to play LeBron somewhere between 16 to 18 minutes in the first half. Luca's gonna play somewhere between 18 and 20 minutes in the first half. They've got to look, I would have liked to see them get Valenchunas. He's a guy that can rebound.

He can give you, he's more of an offensive weapon than Jackson Hayes. He's more of a defensive president. He can give you he's a more of an offensive weapon than than Jackson Hayes He's more of a defensive president. He can bang a little bit better But that's what they need now. They're not gonna get somebody that's an all-star big that ain't happening No, so you would have to piece it together and make do To make but they got they They know piecing together. That's what they've been doing. They had duct tape tied to the goddamn season already.

Well, you're gonna have to piece this. You're gonna have to still have to piece it together, Ocho, because you got Luca, you're gonna have to make Luca offer. LeBron, it all depends. LeBron can opt out. Does he opt out, take less money, so they can go get somebody that's better than a mid-level? Maybe you have to get somebody,

Joe, that'll play for around 15 million. Cause you try to go get somebody or Joe that's that's going to play for around 15 million. Because you try to go get somebody on a mid level, you try to get somebody on a man deal. I don't know if that I don't know if that's enough. Because Kyrie and AD they a the wolves got OKC is not going anywhere. Right? The Timberwolves aren't going anywhere. You think Houston, they're going to try to get a superstar. Houston's going to try to land Kevin Durant. And they might be willing to give up one or two of those young pieces in order to do it and some of those draft picks in order to do it. So Steph and Jimmy Butler, Draymond, they're

not going anywhere. So the Lakers, yeah, they got two superstars. But that's not enough anymore. You need auxiliary pieces. And those auxiliary pieces aren't good enough currently for what the Lakers have. Now they're gonna try to spin it. Well, we didn't have time to play together. You had more than enough time.

You're not good enough. Yeah, they got- I mean, they're not good enough right now, Joe. No, they not. Not to right now, Joe. They not. Not to win the championship, not to compete for one. They definitely gotta improve their bench. They gotta have some guarantee coming off their bench. Okay, Ocho, somebody who can come into the game,

change the game, change the dynamic of the game, maybe give you a spurt here and there. But having to put all this on this on Luca and Braun is just too much to care, especially out in the West, man. They just too out, you know what I mean? Especially Braun at his age. So basically what I'm hearing from y'all is I heard the report in pregame ask JJ a question about rotation. Then I'm thinking now we both both of you have shared your your Your expertise on the bench not being good So basically JJ's JJ's hands are tied. So what are you doing with the rotation? What are you doing with the bench in game?

And then they're justified based on what we're all saying. Oh Joe, what did you come? He had no choice? At some point time you the job of a coach is to try something different. Just because it didn't work last game doesn't mean it won't work this game. You got to try. So you see a team gashing you. You're like, well, oh well, we're just going to stay in this coverage. We're going to stay in the front. Listen, you talk about try something different.

They didn't play the whole season. We're in the playoffs. Well, if it really gave us nothing during the season now we get to the playoffs. What's the chance of it? I don't want the game to get away from us. I don't want the game to slip away So what am I gonna do? I'm gonna keep the people in that give us our best chance to win But here is the thing you never got an out rebound in the previous games. You didn't get out rebounded by 17 You never got an out rebound in the previous games. You didn't get out rebounding by 17. Yeah, they did. Rudy Gobert, Rudy Gobert averaged three points

and six rebounds. Now he's got 15 and nine, 15 and 12 in the first half. Wouldn't you want to try something different? So all of a sudden the guy that was averaging three, he has 15 at the half with 24 more minutes to go. He normally gives you six rebounds, he's three, four, five rebounds clear of that already. So clearly what I anticipated, you know what guys,

I was gonna go with this small rotation, I've got to expand that. Guys gotta be ready. You know, Joe, sometimes you're like, hey, you don't anticipate a guy getting in, he don't mind not anticipating playing, and desperate time calls for desperate measures. And so you bring that to the table.

Anthony Edwards, his last three series, this series he knocked out Luca and LeBron. Last year he knocked out Yoke and Murray. And he also knocked out KDM Book. He's 23. He got some pills on his wall. Hey, hey, hey, guess what? The man ain't done.

No. No, he ain't done. He just get started. He's 23. They take on the winner. He got a favorable bracket because they take on the winner of Golden State Houston. So you avoid potentially OKC, you avoid potentially Nuggets, you avoid potentially the Clippers until the Western Conference Finals. Right.

If I'm the wolves, that's the exact route I was looking to take. Right. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Because if they let's say they do pull the Warriors out, and, you know, they got to play the Warriors in the second round. I think they can beat the Warriors. I think they do too. With the size that they have, you see what they did to the Lakers throughout this series. I think they're well and capable of doing this exact same thing to the Warriors because the Warriors are small too. Very small, very small. Because the question is how do they play? Because Dreymon, you like to play Dreymon in the five. Dreymon's got to deal with, you got to deal with Ju Randall. Now okay, you put him on Ju Randall, do that mean you play Kavon Looney?

Or you take Jackson Davis? So do you, they don't like to play two B's. They like to play, they like to play Dreadmaw at the five. I think, I don't know. I think maybe the Warriors stick to the guns, but I think the Wolves are definitely gonna stick to what they've been doing, because it's gonna get them to the next round, obviously.

And I think with them just coming in with the aggression, the confidence off of winning this series against the Lakers, man, the swag is high. They're playing the right way at the right time. Everything is timing. You know what I mean? And right now, man, they look like a tough team to beat in the seven game series on the old show. They do.

LeBron in game five, he was 22 points, seven rebounds, six assists, nine of 21, one of five from three, three of six from the free throw line. He had seven rebounds, six assists, two steals, three turnovers. I didn't think he played well. I mean, look, you talk about a guy that's gonna

probably be on the first or second team all NBA at the age of 40 in year 22. So 24 8 and 8 is the first season in 20 years that he didn't have to average at least 25 points. He's an all-star most 20-point games by 40-year-old, 30-point games, 40-point games, most points rebounds three point and they most points rebounds assistant. I mean, as he goes on, he's always going to be, guess what? In year 23, he's going to have the most points, most 20 points, most 30 points, most 40 points. He's going to have the most points, most rebounds, most assists, most steals,

most blocks. And if he plays 24 seasons, he's going to have the, once you get to a certain level Ocho, so it's like Elon Musk. He's the world's richest man. Every dollar he get, he adds to that. So LeBron, every year that he plays, he just adds to what somebody's, I mean, Vince Carter year 22, I think he averaged what, five points a game. LeBron averaged 24 points a game 24 8 8

special special Luca Donch it's the 28 8 Nate and to he led the Lakers and points led the Lakers and assists led the Lakers and steals 3-point amazed playoff series is to trade Maverick's none Lake of none Does this trade? Change now cuz who Luca got bounced in the first round. Does it change your view on the trade? Are we still upset at Nico for making this move Joe? Nah, I still like the trade for the Lakers. You know, I just want Luca to really, you know, get in the gym this summer, Uncle Ocho, really get his body right.

So he's able to go through a grueling, taxing, NBA season and come out and be ready for the postseason because the postseason is ultimately what we play for. And it just seems to me, every, he wears down every year, every postseason, man, he's bogged down with injuries and it just seems like every play, it hurts him. It hurts him. Offensively, he can get to that step back still.

Some way, some, I don't know how, but yeah, I think he just really got to take ownership, bro, and just get his body right and come back ready to compete. I agree, Joe. I agree with everything you said. That's the biggest thing. It seems like every year, once the playoffs after a couple of rounds, he's hobbling.

It takes him forever to get up off the court. Everything just is like, he needs to be able to have his body to be able to go through the rigors of an entire season, not just the regular season. Yeah, look, in the regular season, he's going to put up 28, 8 days. Right.

He put that up, go in and sleep. Right. But it's the postseason where he starts the ball down where the injury starts You know because you know it It's a more physical game And that's why you got to get a wolves you got to get a wolves credit to okay, oh Joe This this is what they would this is what they plan to do They plan to come out making a physical series every game physical pick your full court bump grind

Yeah, we get the game five six. We'll see who starts or what down a little bit. I see him father I've seen a lot of short shots tonight your balls That's fatigue man. That's fatigue sitting in them guys playing a lot of minutes night in and night out Just to have a day of rest and then jump right back out there playing at that high intensity He just couldn't keep up. Yeah, consider LeBron and Luca played 46 minutes and he turned around and they had to play another 40 minutes. LeBron's 40. Like I said, you can talk about all you want to. It's a mind thing. No, it's not. The mind might be willing. The body just ain't able anymore.

There's a reason why as we start to age, we can't do what we once did. Don't think Usain Bolt didn't train, train but as the age he couldn't run 958 He couldn't run 963. He was still fast Yeah, he still could run 98 and that was that would win him the gold medal Yeah, but as he started to age he couldn't turn those times that he once could nobody can So this notion where a he spent all that money. It doesn't matter how much money you spend. Father time, sometimes he'll tap you on the shoulder. Sometimes he just pull your ass down. He tapping brawn on the shoulder.

He gotta, damn, look at me. Yeah, I think he tapping on him, but at the same time, you gotta give my man some help. You gotta give brawn some help. You can't put all that onus on him to come out and try to lead your defense and offense. No. He is on... No.

It's just too taxing on the body, man. It's way too taxing on the body. And it kind of shows throughout this series. Well, once upon a time, like you said, like, when he was in his late 20s and even to his mid 30s, like 35. But, man, you start talking about it, you think about it, LeBron still plays 70 games this season. He's playing 70 games. And you're asking him, he still give you 24, he still give you eight rebounds,

he still give you eight assists, he still give you a blocker to a game, he still give you a stealer to a game. You asking him to constantly think, hey, make your stealer to a game, you asking him to constantly think, hey, make the right play all the time, and he's Ed Reed of your defense. You're asking a 40 year old to do a lot. Yeah. Really a lot.

And I understand you ask that, excuse me, you ask those things from your great players. Joe, you know that. The greater you are, the more they ask of you. But here's the thing I've always told people that I think, I don't think people understand this. As you start to age, they don't compare you to anyone else. They compare you to your younger self. They compare LeBron to a 25, a 30, a 33 year old LeBron. They're not comparing him to Jason Tatum. They're not comparing him to Ant-um. They're not comparing him to Ant-Man. They're comparing because they remember what they saw when he was their age. Not factoring in,

he's 40 now. Yeah. He can't elevate like he once could. He can sum it up. He could give you a game or two here or there, but they have to be spread out. He could give you a corner where he goes off, but if he gives you a corner where he gives you somewhere between 16 and 20 You best believe that next quarter gonna probably be somewhere between 0 and 4 It I mean it just it is what it is. I gotta be honest joke. Yeah. Yeah, you know You know how like when we are we pull the testosterone. So yeah. Yeah, we got plenty of energy We can go all day, you know what I mean? And as you yeah, you start to lose some of that and you know, it shows it shows you ain't as cut up

No more as you used to be I won't bother be a little bit myself. I don't put my shirt on So I don't got so bad. I take a shot my shirt. Oh, yeah Let the steam go. I let the steam get good and hot. All the mirrors foggy. You know, I love this talk about Father Time. And Father Time touch you on the shoulder.

And at some point, he is coming. And I just have a question. I just have a question. And I sit back and I think about it. At what point does Father time catch up to me? He done caught up to you. That's why you sitting here talking to me. You ain't playing football.

And I'm well, I mean. See, you see how he caught up to you. He caught up to you and he caught up to you. He caught up to you 15 years ago. Thanks. That's how he caught up. Thanks, son. Yeah. You think father time caught you?

No. You might can run in back to run the straight line But your lateral quickness is not what it once was and that's the thing to go with athletes is the lateral stuff See where you could win. Oh Joe was that lateral that's I can't move Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, you trying to tell me I can't move library no more? Nah, not like you used to.

Not to the point where you could escape these young DBs. Yeah, if another 40-something year old going against you, yeah, you get by him. Hold on, I'm talking about- With Pat Sertane, Jalen Ramsey, Stingley the Thug. Stingley the Thug. Stingley the Thug. Well, everybody you just named, boy,

I put them in the blender. Boy, don't disrespect me like that, man. These feet got a mind of their own, baby. I know. And they say, let's walk straight ahead. That's what they say. That's what they're saying, don't you? Hey, we don't get me right, but listen, I would really love to put Father Time to a

test. I really would, especially during this time right now, when I know some of the players just listed. What'd you, let me ask you a question. Here's some of the people that think. What did you run the four D coming out of college? Huh? What'd you run the four D coming out of college?

Pro, four three on pro day at USC. I had to run at USC. You think you can run four three again? Right now, absolutely not. Exactly. Or do you think you could not exactly if I gave you a year to let me ask you a question if I gave you a year to trade you think you could run four three probably not maybe four four four four four four four four five yeah but my my my my five again oh shit shit me why run four five right now I tell you no lie I promise you and I can run for fire

I know with no training So listen when I think about it when I think about I'm think about my game in general my game Yeah about finesse my game know your weakness it wasn't it wasn't really about running straight or being fast. I get that That's one of the first thing to go with you Would you get all this your lateral quickness. Same with me a little bit, man. Now, look, I'm real quick because I be dodging them now. You know, they be coming at me and I be like, uh, no, I can't do that. You feel me?

Yeah. But you still can't dodge them like you once could. You're right. But your game was predicated. Your your game was predicated on that one stab. See now, that thing's so slow, they're telegraphing it. Alright, Ocho, no good with that stab, you go in here. Hey, I wanna put Father Time to the test.

Jalen Ramsey, with all due respect, Sauce Gardener, Derrick Sinead Jr., Pat Sartain. If at any point you young boys are training in all season I'm in shape I would love to put on my cleats and just test this and I go ahead go ahead go to finish up would be great this would be great footage for us to be able to see where I'm at at 57 years old and if I know where you are and if I can hang with the young boys, Oh Joe, don't go up there and mess up your Achilles mess up a hamstring or

something. I ain't got hurt all my life. Then that's the thing. Do you want to get hurt now? And you don't want to get hurt as you, as you get old. Cause it sucks rehabbing as an old person. Trust me. Fourth, Joe, Joe, fourth quarter points this series. Nas Reid had 27 points in the fourth quarter. LeBron had 26.

Luca had 23. So your first guy off the bench for the T-Wolves outscored your two stars in the fourth quarter. That's how you lost. That's why you lost. Niles is special, man. He was special throughout this series. They had no match up for him. They actually had no match up for none of they bigs.

But then, Niles Reed and Julius Randall, they had no match up for them dudes who can put it. Can we be honest? They didn't have a match up for nobody. They did. They don't match up with Ant-Man. They don't match up with. They did. They don't match up with Ant-Man. They don't match up with Rudy Gobert. They don't match up with Naz Reed. They don't match up. If you really think about it, the guys that they match up with is that you're not really counting on those guys,

but those guys played above what they normally play. Jane Daniels played above what he normally plays at. So you got Ant-Man doing what Ant-Man does. You got Jew Ramble doing what Jew Ramble normally does. But now you get guys that you're not really counting on to give you that, and you get Jaden McDaniels giving you extra. Or you get a Nas Reid coming off the bench and in clutch time, he's only missed one shot in clutch time.

So he's damn near perfect in the five minute clutch time, last five minutes of the game, the game within five points. So when you get one team and their guys are doing exactly what you hoped they would do, it's kinda like when you go into a game and you're like, okay, our Ocho in this game right here, Ocho should probably give us about, probably six to eight for 90 to 105.

Damn. One touchdown, let's give one touchdown. He'll get us inside to five. Okay, hoosh, go do what he does, blah, blah. It's just like that at a basketball game, okay. I'm expecting Ant-Man to do what Ant-Man does. Give us his 27, that's what he average. Ju-Ramble, give us what he does.

He's fully healthy. Anything that I get from, anything I get from Gobert, because Gobert normally he can't play extended minutes because he doesn't match up. They put him in the pick and roll, they get him away from the basket. Now, it's a bonus whatever you get from him.

Yeah. Now, there you go. More than a bonus. Yeah. And the dream, there you go. It was more than a bonus. Yeah. And the dream season is now complete. The Golden State Warriors are the 2015 NBA champions. On the new limited podcast series, Dub Dynasty, it's been 10 years since their shocking run

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question about substitution. He took offense to a question that basically asked if he would lean on his assistant coaches when it comes to helping with substitution. Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that it was inexperienced decision that I made, you don't think I talk to my assistants about substitutions every single time out? That's a weird assumption. He stormed out. I talk to my sisters about substitutions every single time out that's a weird assumption He stormed out. I would have stormed out, too Yes, I have no choice. Yes. I talked to my sisters. Here are my sisters. No, too. We don't have a choice

Let me ask you a question Oh Joe how many times about JJ Reddick been a coach in the NBA? I think that's a very valid question because he is an experienced as a coach. And it's all he had to do because if he leaned on his coaches, yes, I lean on my coaches. That's a part of like when we have a timeout, we group together and say, what do you think? How does Rui look?

How does Doe look? How does LeBron look? First of all, LeBron and Luca, they How does LeBron look? How does, first of all, that's, LeBron and Luca is on, they already sent LeBron. At the six minute mark, you're coming out to get a blow for two to three minutes. All right. We're gonna put you back in. Luca, if it's really good and we're up 10, 12,

you might come out the last minute of the first quarter. So that way we can still an extra minute or so because we get the time, the TV time out. Yes, sir. So you get one minute there, you get another minute or two there, and then we're going to let you sit for four minutes. So we're going to steal some time. Everybody else is on a rotation like, okay, hey, pull him, get in there. Yeah. But I don't think, but you can't get mad when people ask you questions, Ocho. That's a part about being a coach. I understand it, even though being a coach, but also being a reporter is about watching the game.

Also being a reporter is about understanding, well hell, we are in a position, if I'm a Laker reporter, damn, we do gotta keep looking at them in there. We do gotta have them play all four quarters, because we're not getting nothing. Now, that don't look in the game like that, Ocho. My job is to ask you questions, what's going on. Okay, I understand. I'm just seeing it from the lens on both sides. No you see it from the lens of the player and you hear them saying that somebody questioned the coach. Yeah I mean you right but I mean just you got to realize most of these reporters though Joe have never played they've never been in the huddle they've never had to sub you done and so we look

at we athletes look at the game totally different than the layperson or the casual fan Especially if we're professionals We understand why you call that dumb play you think I called it because I didn't want to get no yards, right? Hey, what's the place we got that gonna lose us four yards? Yep. Call that one What hey, what's that play that we got that paint? Let's go call a joke a ball that shot I'll do the dribble the ball out of bounds. Yeah, that's the play I we got that paint that's gonna call Joe the air ball that shot I'll just dribble the ball out of bounds. Yeah, that's the play I want to run out of this time Of course not Normally

Normally your assistant coaches and now it's a lot of them nowadays But normally your assistant coaches stay in the head coaches here You have a head assistant and he keeps coaching tack as far as okay. Look, I want you to have been out there Assistant and he keeps coaching tack as far as okay. Look, I'll tell them been out there 12 straight minutes. We might need to give him a blow. You know what I mean? So yeah, normally your assistant is always an extension of the head and he normally probably Scotty Brooks I think it's Scotty Brooks is this leader that Nate is number two. Yeah, so they may tell you like well I've got four files. You know what I mean? And we can't we might want to take him out, give him a break. So for him to go with them guys for that extended period of time,

he probably just like forget it. Yeah, I don't think he had no trust in any of those guys coming off that bench. He felt he was going to go with his big guns and he struggled. Yeah. Damn. Well, hey, but as a whatever, whatever. Oh, Joe, But as a coach, you know this. When it goes well, you're a genius. When it doesn't go well, you're gonna get second-guessed.

That's how it is. That's a part of it. You know, if somebody asks you, you play a quarterback and somebody asks you what you saw, you can't say, I saw what you saw. I hope you didn't see what I see. This, in this down in distance, this area of the field, this is what they normally play. I thought I had this guy made a great play. You know, they study film too.

They get paid. You do, you know, you know, they're playing other, they're playing other plans. I was quick to tell my coaches that I tell my dad all the time. I said, Hey, you know, that guy get paid to that, right? He picked up his check on Monday just like I did. So don't think, Hey, I'm the only one getting paid and they just found this guy. He jumped on the back of a truck somewhere. No, bro. He didn't fail to. He here for a reason. Because sometimes I think coaches really aid. He here for a reason. Because sometimes I think coaches really ain't. And I tell this all the time, Joe, anybody in a professional league has the ability to make anybody else in a professional league look bad.

Yeah. I don't care if it's the best basketball, best basketball player against whatever somebody might think is the worst. He still can light his ass up. Absolutely a receiver that you like Hold on what game was that? Oh Lab Maconkey Remember that playoff game. He will cook it on choke. Okay, boy. Yeah, everybody the business you were cooking Yeah, see that's what I tell you. That's what I tried to tell Joe You were cooking. Yeah, see that's what I tell you. That's what I tried to tell Joe

What I tried to tell Joe I tried to tell him, you know, you take one of the better athletes of all time You know, I'm talking about me me playing you one-on-one You because you're gonna be by your damn self trying to go. I'm tough, I'm tough. Hey, I hate to say it, but this ain't what you want. Hey, you're gonna need plenty of help, brother. Trust me. You're gonna need plenty of help. Hey, you trust me. Once I get you out there in space, at the top of the key is a wrap. I can get it. I put the ball on the floor and listen, I'm gonna get my shot. I'm gonna get to my spot. Me and Rain?

I seen you playin'. I seen you playin' already. What you talkin' bout? No, you ain't seen me. When you saw me play, you know you can't do nothin' with me. What you talkin' bout? Get up. Get up. The Rockets blow out the Warriors. Steph Curry led the Warriors in scoring.

But he only finished with 13 points on 4-12 shooting. No other starters were in double figures. Jimmy Butler had eight, Draymond had seven. The Rocket starters, led by Armand Thompson, had 25. Dillon Brooks, 24. Fred Van Fleet continued his hot shooting. He had 26. Alperen Shingoon had 15, and Jalen Green had 11.

Thompson was 25, six, rebounds, five steals, three blocks, eight assists, eight of 12 field goals. He's the fifth player in NBA history with 25 points, five plus steals, three plus block in a playoff game. Joining, oh, the Rockets, I mean, that's the Rockets players. Joining Hakeem Olajuwon did it twice, Charles Barkley, Elvin Hayes, and Rick Barry. Or that, in NBA, wow, in NBA history.

25 plus points, five plus deals, three plus blocks in a playoff game. Olajuwon did it twice, Charles Barkley did it, Elvin Hayes did it, Rick Barry. Thompson is also the youngest to do it. Shingoon is averaging 20, almost 21 points. 11 rebounds, 5.2 assists. The first, the first center in NBA history to average those numbers through

his first five career playoff game. Look, I thought the Rockets let one get away the other night. Uh, Joe, they really did. I thought the inexperience showed, away the other night. Joe, they really did. I thought the inexperience showed. They did a great job tonight, jumped on them. I'm not, I'm sure Imaeya Dohka is upset because they had to put the starters back in. You never wanna get that.

Your starters down, they're cold, they're chilling. They ain't laughing, they're talking to next to, hey, y'all back up. They're cold, they're chilling. They ain't laughing, they're talking the next day. Hey, y'all back up. But they did a great job tonight. Steph didn't have it tonight. Jimmy didn't have it tonight.

And they show, hey, they going back to Golden State. I think they feel confident, Joe, I think they feel confident they can go to Golden State and get a victory and bring this thing back to Houston one more time. I think Houston can. They can go to Golden State and get a victory and bring this thing back to Houston one more time. I think Houston can. They are, they were the aggressor tonight. You know, from start to finish,

they controlled it. From start to finish, you could tell they were the more desperate team. And they came out hungry. They didn't want the season to end, you could tell. So yes, I think they're very capable of going to Golden State, winning the game, and then bringing it back home for game seven.

This has been a fun, you know, grueling series, man. And it's like all these series in the West, even in the East, these first rounds are so tough and gonna beat you up so bad that when the second round comes, damn, you gotta hope some of these guys stay healthy, man. We still got a lot of basketball left to play. That's why you try to finish as quick as you possibly can. If you can end a team in four, end them in four.

If you can end them in five, end them in five. Because you need the rest. Don't let this thing go six. Don't let this thing go seven when you could have ended it in five. And so you see what Boston did. You see what Minnesota did. You see what the Cavs did.

You see these teams. They're like, look, man, we ain't going to dilly-dally with y'all. We ain't trying to get on no plane no more. Yeah, hey, well, hey Kenny Agassi said look we going down to Miami take two sets of clothes cuz we not coming back So You're right, but I you know watching this game. You can tell man. I like Thompson. I like him. He grass a You can tell that I like Thompson. I like him. He grass a Here two-way player cuz he could do it all he had his brother. Yeah, he and his brother They special they special talent. They are the like swish army knives of your team

Can explode for you know, 30 points a night but gonna do the intangibles as far as steals playmaking defend pick up full court harass you and Man, I thought he plays a special defense on stuff tonight. I think he's okay. Oh Joe I think he learned into you know throughout this series how to guard stuff Yeah, knowing when to give him space knowing when to you know crowd him and make it tough for him They've been kind of mixing it up a little bit And he looked any angular he Yeah, I mean how tall is he like like, what, six, seven, six?

Six, seven, six, eight. So even if Steph get by him, it's still challenging, you know, because he gonna steal all to your shot. And ultimately, I think if you're the rockers, the main thing you wanna do is make Steph work. We know he like to work. Yes. You gotta keep him moving, make him work,

don't let him have no easy catches. And tell they they they in the passing lane many out there playing four-on-four basketball because a lot of times They just in denial. They ain't even looking at the ball longer step. Don't don't get it, right? Hey, what you want? What do you what you what you think? Oh Joe? I was just gonna tell you what them Rockets came out Oh, and they did like it seemed like they wanted it more on both side of them on both side. They was aggressive on offense They were stifling on defense. They had the Warriors crammer early here He was a can't Houston came out firing she was 40. It was 40 to 24 40 to 24 lead they built in the first quarter by the time I got a half time with 70 it was 76 49 So we from that point on all it is about controlling everything you do at that point

So really from that point on, all it is about controlling everything you do at that point, controlling everything. Well considering that this shot 38 free throws let me know they were extremely aggressive. Very. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen a stat like this, but Golden State had 25 offensive rebounds. You ever see the team get 25 offensive rebounds Joe and lose by 15? No, I ain't seen that. Golden State, yeah, they had 25 offensive rebounds.

They just couldn't, man, offensively, you know. They seemed out of sorts from the jump. Yeah, and they seem a step or two slower than the Rockets. The Rockets seemed like, you know, they had a boost, as though, you know, like I say, they just played with that sense of fire, urgency, that they weren't ready for the season to end. And it's like, I don't know, man.

It's like these, you know, the Warriors came out a little lethargic and it cost them, man, because the Rockets controlled from the tip. They controlled from the start to finish. They did. And that game took a lot out of the Warriors. Yeah. The other night, it took a lot out of them.

Yeah. And you look at Thompson, young. Dillon Brooks played that hit. Dillon Brooks has played really well in this series. He shot the ball well, you know he's gonna play defense, he gonna fight your tooth and nail. Van Fleet, the last two games, Van Fleet has been on one.

Yeah. He understand the moment. He understand the moment. Ocho, he's been there, he's won, he's a champion, he's won, he knows. He understands the moment. He's been there. He's one. He's a champion. He's one. He knows what it's like to play this level of basketball and compete, you know, at the highest form. So I think he gives them, he definitely gave them life tonight, but you know, he gives them a sense of confidence. Probably going into every game. Yeah. Yeah, he's been special.

probably going into every game. Yeah. He's that special. He really is, but they got a young team, but I think the thing is, they might look to give up. You know what? Other than Shingoon and Thompson, I'd be willing to part with anybody else to get Kevin Durant.

What you think about that, Joe? Yeah, to get KD? Yeah. If you had to get, because you're gonna have to give up at least one or two of them young boys But if you look if you want Jalen Green if you want Dylan Brooks if you want Jabari Smith I'll be willing the only two people that are untouchable for me is Thompson and Shingu yeah What I think I think green green and Smith they got enough talent to wear wherever they go

They could change it. They can they can change a team or franchise a program. I like both of them But yeah, I'll definitely make that trade if I was a Houston to get Katie man, please the gold and goon Thompson van fleet Yeah Sweet. Yeah. Cause Shungun go get you. I mean, he, he, you know, he's an all star. Yeah.

He's, Thompson can defend. Thompson can defend. He's, he's very aggressive. He's active. You bring in KD who could score. You let Van Fleet run your offense. And look, I mean, I would. I'm not, I don't know if it's gonna happen but

other than Thompson and Shingoon, everybody else is in play if I'm the Rockets. Yeah because there's not many bigs in the NBA like Shingoon who can score, pass, and rebound. He gonna make guys around him better. He ain't gonna be out here just hoisting up no 20- 25 shots You know, he can always be high in assists because he gonna make the right play and he's very attractive Especially in posting up and hitting guys on cuts and wide open shots. So Singoon I love man. You can play through him for sure. Yeah, and the thing is like them European players those European bigs They play this way you look at your kids. Yeah, they grew up like this. They were talking, they said young age.

You know why they play like this, on Joe and Ocho, I believe? I do. Because they don't have the athleticism. They can't elevate over nobody. So they're not relying on God given ability. They gonna make the right pass. They gonna back cut, they gonna scream.

If you look, they got all, most of the big, the European bigs, they got tremendous footwork. Yeah. They got tremendous footwork. Look at Shingoon. Look at Yokich. Look at the bigs that we, that we fake of. Look at their footwork.

Okay. Hey, they, because overseas, they practice way more than they play. Over here, we'll put together a tournament quick and go play. And yeah, we're going to AAU. Hey, hey, who you? Hey, what you doing? What you doing tomorrow? Man, I ain't doing nothing.

Hey, come on. Hey, Joe. We'll put together a team quick and go play in a tournament with no chemistry continuity, practice or nothing. Just feel like we can roll out this talent and win. Right. Overseas, man, them dudes been practicing playing because they 11 12 years old developing chemistry continuity Practicing working on skill a skill set right right you know people think jumping jumping over somebody's a skill set

No, because what happens when you're out they see that's why I think your kids can play a long time I do too because he's not really he's not relying on athletic ability? It's and a guy that doesn't rely on athletic ability Allah Tom Brady Instinct now now you got athleticism through the yin-yang as it slowly dissipates you have to and be reinvent yourself You see what LeBron did when he realized that he couldn't continuously go to the basket go to the basket What'd he do develop that three-point shot? Developed that big range at three Developed that mid-range, that three point shot. Until it's deadly.

Yeah, you have to evolve with the game, especially when you play a long time. You play 20, 22 years, bro. The game is gonna change a few times. And he been smack dab in the middle of it. Right. He been smack dab in the middle of it. The game is evolved because think about it.

The 2000, the 2010s, now he's in the 2020s. There ain't very many guys that can say they played three decades. Nah, nah. Now, Vince played four because Vince started in the late 90s. He went to 2000, he went to the 10s, and then he finished in the 2020s. So there ain't very many guys that gets an opportunity to say they played two to three, or maybe even two decades. Maybe two is deep doing it. But when you start talking about three, four decades,

that's saying something. But I still think Houston is missing a closer. I think they need a guy that I can give him the ball and he can go get me a bucket. You see, this is by committee. And there's nothing wrong with that. But when can give him the ball, and he can go get me a bucket. You see, this is by committee, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when you get into the playoffs, you wouldn't want to have that one person

that I can put the ball in his head and go get me a bucket, Joe. Yeah, a bucket or a foul, you need that. That's it, the payoff slows down. This ain't the regular season, preseason. We ain't just held the scalter, jacking up threes, none of that. Playoffs will be valued, every possession,

we're gonna come down, milk the mismatch, and try to get a great shot every time. That's what it's about. So yeah, you need guys who can get you to the free throw line or get you a bucket or go make the right play and get us a great shot. And we've been watching these playoffs on that old show this first round.

Man, down the stretch, man, it's been a lot of careless turnovers, man. A lot of careless turnovers. That's cost teams games, obviously. Sometimes I think guys are trying to do more than what they should. More than more than what your ability allows you to do. Because sometimes I see guys try to be they try to be heroes. Yeah. Well, you're not required to be the hero.

They feel like they got to step up and make a play make a shot You know and and sometimes you just overdoing it when you just just make the simple right play a lot of times That'll get you great results And see that's why people don't really gravitate towards yoke because it's not like he Duncan He's not letting threes go off balance like he shoot no three and turn and walk away like Steph Curry Hey, he ain't he ain't poster no three and turning and walking away like Steph Curry. He ain't posterizing people like Ant-Man. Right. Right.

They ain't got, he ain't like KD. All I know is that Jokah Footwork is impeccable. And he averaged 29, 13 and 10. And Shungoon averaged 21, 11 and five. Yeah. And Zubox, 11, and 5. Yeah. And Zubox gave you 16 and 12. Them boys nice, man. And I guarantee you, I guarantee you,

Yokelcho ain't have five dunks all year long. I guarantee you, Yokelcho ain't have five dunks. If he had, it was five total. It had the best, yeah, I'm sure he had things five total it had a best damn sure he have 10 I had a best output. Hey The game is 90% mental 10% physical. Yeah. Yeah, and he understands the game. He's going right And the thing is he's not gonna force it. He's not gonna force a play. He's not gonna force himself into the offense He's gonna let the offense come to him now. Hey y'all like that horse jacket around with the ball.

He gonna take the ball. He gonna demand that you give him the ball now. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And rightfully so. Yeah. He's the engine. He's the engine for the Nuggets, man. Everything runs through him because he's so unselfish. And just like last game, he seen Murray got off, he just kept feeding him. I'm going to play my game over here. You want to be the lead dog? You going to care to victory? I'm going to do my job over here.

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