Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Too little too late for Cowboys, Eagles crumbling, Myles Garrett future

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Mike McCarthy, Cooper Rush and the Dallas Cowboys taking down Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday Night Football, despite learning they were out of the playoff race before the game. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss rookie QB Jayden Daniels throwing 5 TDs for the Washington Commanders in win vs. the Philadelphia Eagles, Cleveland Browns’ Myles Garrett gets his 100th sack before the age of 29 and the guys believe the Browns need to do the right thing and let Garrett go to a contender and much more!03:13 - Show Start03:40 - Intro06:30 - Cowboys v Bucs15:50 - Commanders v Eagles28:00 - Bengals v Browns41:25 - Bills v Patriots53:18 - Lions v Bears1:01:00 - Vikings v Seahawks(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Great play by Blanche took the ball right out of the guy's hand and he's going to the dirt. It wasn't good enough for him to just sealed the victory. Um, great play by Blaine took the ball right into the guy's hand. And he's going to the dirt. It wasn't good enough for him to just make the tackle. He wanted to make sure he get the ball and in the game at that very moment. And that's exactly what he did. But in the process of doing that, not only did they defeat the books, the books now are trail of the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are now in first place in the NFC South,

which they are the fourth seed, and Tampa slides all the way down to the eighth seed. When you say eighth seed is not bad Shannon, well, considering they only take 17s, it's very bad. Now we'll see Sunday night, Ocho, the commanders, and the Falcons play. Two rookies gonna start, Pinnix, obviously for the Falcons, Jane Daniels, who definitely secured the rookie of the year office and rookie of

the year with that performance today. I think he had done enough over the last couple of games to kind of distance himself from Bo Nicks, but he left no doubt in what he did today. The five touchdown performance coming from behind and doing it. He wins that award. But when you look at the Cowboys, give them credit. They ain't got nothing to play for. They knew going into this game,

after the commanders had done what they have done, their blowout hopes were done. Yeah. And they still come out here and give you that type of effort. Pressured Baker Mayfield the entire night. They picked him off, sacked him four times, pressured him numerous times,

and they got the big strip fumble at the end of the game to close it out. What did you like about what you saw from the Cowboys? Listen, I like the fact that they didn't give up. I like the fact that they didn't give up. I saw effort on both sides of the ball and all three phases of the game. I wonder if tonight's performance is enough to save Mike McCarthy's job. That's the question that I have now based on what I saw from them tonight.

If you can play the way you played tonight with all the injuries that you have, what's going to happen if you have a team that's healthy and you can play like you did tonight with nothing on the line as far as playoff implications or concern. That's the first thing that came to mind. Why are you playing this hard tonight? Where was this? Where was this fight? What was this type of effort? What was this type of consistency on both sides of the ball during the regular season?

When Dak was a quarterback? I mean, like, what are we doing? Why did we decide to play like this? You know? When, I guarantee you this, I guarantee you this. If there were people that were betting on the game, I guarantee they had all they money on goddamn Tampa to win.

Probably so. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I'm like, I, they had all they money on goddamn Tampa to win. Probably so. Yeah. I'm like, I, I, and I, I don't know what it is about games like this and playing team to have nothing to lose and you're playing for a playoff spot for some reason teams like the Cowboys always seem to ruin the team chances to maybe get in a better spot. And sometimes even knock a team out to playoff. Well, hell, you know, if we ain't going, you ain't going either. Yeah. Misery loves company. But here's the thing, Ocho, this is what you know, at the end of the year, people start playing for jobs because now

I need to see, okay, who's giving up and who's still fighting because in the middle of the season, okay, Ocho, we play and we still got a chance. But now this is when coaches, this is when general managers, this is when front office, this is when front office. This tells you a lot about your players when you have absolutely positively nothing to play for. And you still summons up the energy because you're still getting a check. Oh, yeah. Or you can't have you cashed it in. And tonight, clearly by the game, by what you saw, you see the Cowboys are still scrapping.

They're still clawing. They're still trying to do everything they possibly can although they know their season is over basically They've got two more games and then after that get after those two games they get those empty bags to clean out their lockers You give all your info. Hey, bro What you got going on hit me up if you in if you come to Houston or you come to Atlanta you come to wherever Hey, man, let's get a trip to let's get the Vegas you got information you do. You look, uh, you say you goodbyes and, uh, you move on.

You got to, you got your exit meeting. You got, yeah, that's, that's absolutely that's Monday. You go by and talk to your position coach. You talk to the head coach and then, um, normally have my flight scheduled at one o'clock because I was getting over there early. What time you coming in first day? First day. I'm first. have my flight scheduled at one o'clock because I was getting over there early. What time you coming in first thing? First thing, I'm first, I'm first. Hey, hey, hey, you better have more tenure to me

because I'm bumping everybody. Hey, I'm gonna see my position coach first and I'm going to see, hey, hey, hey, bruh, back up. I'm going to see Mike. Right, you getting up out of there, huh? Quick. Absolutely. Ain't nothing to stick around for what?. I'm going to see Mike. Right, you getting up out of there, huh? Quick. Absolutely. Ain't nothing to stick around for what? Because the way I did it, I didn't go home.

So I didn't go back. So all the time I went back to Denver was for many camps. Okay. I never went home during the season. So you're there the whole time. I'm there the whole time. So I'm ready to get home. Okay. When I leave to go whole time. So I'm ready to get home. Okay.

When I leave to go back to Denver, I'm ready to get back to Denver. Right. I'm out of there. Yeah. Hey, y'all know how to get in touch with me. Ain't no back and forth. No, ain't no back and forth. I'm there.

I'm where I'm supposed to be. But I was very impressed with the Cowboys. It's not like Tampa played bad. Baker threw for 304 yards. They ran the ball for 134 yards, but the Cowboys' pressure was relentless tonight. That D-line did a great job. Zim did a great job of disguising, bringing extra pressure. They pressured them a lot more than what, then I probably thought they could they they could But give the Cowboys credit like you said oh Joe for team that didn't have anything to play for they knew their season was basically Over there's no playoff potential and to come out and give this kind of effort And as you said, you know, if y'all to gave this effort had you been playing like this on defense their entire season?

Who knows what your season could have been and we don't blame it on injuries because guess what? You're going banged up now than you were in the beginning. In the beginning. Yeah. And you didn't give this effort. You didn't give this effort against the Ravens. You didn't give this effort against the Saints. You didn't give this effort to the, against the Eagles.

There are a lot of teams you didn't give this effort against. And that's why you take it your ass home instead of getting ready to play, uh, try to make a playoff, excuse me, to make a deep playoff push. Right. That's why you're not. Yeah. But, uh, Cooper rush, 26 and 35, two 92, one touchdown. He was only sat once.

They didn't run the ball well at all. Little Joe, they only had 20 cares for 31 yard. That's the funny thing. The fact that they couldn't run the ball, which made them one dimensional. And then Cooper rush, when it came to passing, he was still good. Yes. It was still good. I was surprised that they couldn't generate more pressure than what they got.

Yeah. I was, I was very, very, very, very surprised. Tampa couldn't generate more pressure than what they got. And I thought because, uh, Tampa was running the ball a fish well. But the Cowboys like, hey, they pin their ears back. Baker, give Baker credit because he got he threw the ball well under some very adverse circumstances. The play the last play to end of the game, he spoke that had been sat.

He's right. Scratched and clawed and got his hands off and showed it. I think it was white that he was that white that they ended up having the ball taken from him. But. Give the Cowboys credit with that tonight is their night. They played well, they won 26, 24, and they got something. We got the tough. We got a tough match up next week. If I'm not mistaken, they got the Eagles.

The Eagles are gonna be upset. They let one slip away, have an opportunity to get home field or still stay in the running for home field. That's no longer possible, I don't think. I don't see Detroit losing out. They got Minnesota one of these games. Minnesota still has an outside chance of getting home field. I think they got Minnesota the last game, if I'm not mistaken.

OK, but it's in Detroit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Detroit got done. Detroit have the Packers. I think Detroit has the Packers. They got the Packers and Minnesota to close out the season. So that's going to be that's going to be about about fireworks. Oh, no.

He's in Detroit, goes to San Fran, and then they get the Vikings at home. The pack, the Vikings have the Packers and the Lions. They play the Packers, they play the Packers. They got the Packers next week, Minnesota does. And then they close out the season in Detroit. Detroit goes on the road to San Fran and then they close out the season against Minnesota at home. So it's gonna be tough. I think when the NFL went to this alignment, Ocho, where the final game of the season is all division. This is what they hope for.

Yeah, because people started to sell to people, starting to sit people a week, two weeks, a week. No, wait a minute. You can't sit down. This ain't no NBA. Ain't no load managing here. We want something. We wanted to mean something. I don't think this could this could very well be home field advantage and a lot of, a lot of situations, right.

Determining decided in the last week of the season. So the NFL is getting exactly what they wanted and what they had hoped to happen. And I can't wait till next week. Oh Joe, Jalen hurts. Wow. 36 33 game winning drive. Jalen hurts on a scramble. Got hurt, got ruled, got knocked out of the game with a concussion in the first quarter. Jalen Daniels, Jaden Daniels was sensational.

Five touchdown passes. Today marked the first time that Washington has won a game with five plus giveaways since week 17 of the 2002 season versus Dallas. Let that sink in. They won a game. Remember Detroit had a game like that this season, Ocho. Yeah.

Gone through five picks and they still won the game. Yeah. That happened today. This is the first time that Washington has won a game with five plus turnovers with 30 plus points allowed in the Superbowl era. Right. They had no business winning this game with the exception of the sensational

rookie and he was, he was sensational. Uh, now you got to get a little help. Uh, they put a couple of blown coverages, Ocho and then, cause they left the key is wide open on the sideline. I don't know what they did with that. And then, um, Jane Daniels threaded the needle, uh, to a Crowder for the game winning touchdown. But I love the way Jane Daniels, the poison which he showed us.

So getting out of harm's way, scrambling Jane was 24, 39, 258, five touchdowns, two pins, he was sacked three times. They ran the ball 24 for 113. Daniels nine carries, 90, 81 yards. The kids had five for 72 touchdowns. Terry Mcekias had five for 70 and two touchdowns. Terry McClory had five for 61 touchdowns. Jay Crowder, two 15, two touchdowns. That was sensational.

Saquon, I thought Saquon was like, man, I thought Saquon was gonna go for like 250 again. Listen, the way he ran the ball in the first quarter, the first half, let's say the first half, the way he ran the ball in the first half, I'm like, well, he might, I said 300, I say, but you know, I don't know what happened. Obviously the injury to Jaylen hurts in the first quarter. Yeah.

And in the first half, I thought they would lean more on Saquon as far as a running concern, but, but that didn't happen. I knew the playbook would change the the play that they're running would change and they didn't get enough of a lead once Kenny Pickett had to come in that quarterback because you know once the backup comes in, you know that the playbook it shrinks. The playbook shrinks, you can't run the same plays you run with Jay Likerts with Kenny Pickett.

So things do change and they didn't have enough lead to be able to win this game. And once that momentum shifted and favored the commanders with Jaden, when, when Jaden got that goddamn fourth and 11, I knew it was going to be a long day. Well, we saw this day. Oh Joe, what happened first game of the season? Say Quon dropped the pass that would have given them a first down. Run the clock out. Then we got Devante Smith. He got a touchdown instead of kicking the field goal. Boom. But they drop a lot of passes. My boy AJ, I love AJ Brown,

but AJ Brown drops a lot of passes Ocho. He does. Yeah. He got to focus. And I know some, a lot of times Ocho, you and I have both been there. When you feel you're not going to get the targets that you need, you're trying to get to the house on every throw. Everything. And in order to do that, sometimes you gotta do this. You gotta catch the ball already with your eye. And the heel's already open looking to get a feel.

And I think that's what's happening with AJ. He's doing a lot of that because he like, man, I ain't gonna get with so many. I mean, think about Ocho, he had 15 targets, he called eight of them. Yeah. That ain't a good ratio. But actually, you know what, it's funny,

you think about the drops with AJ Brown, Devontae Smith had my thing, I think could have sealed the game if he had put it. Oh, it would have, it would have. Because then to put him, Ocho, think about how many points did it put him up. Right. So now you got to score, get the ball back and score again, because

now that they get the touchdown that puts them up two scores. Yeah. Or you run the, or you're going to run the time out. Go. Yeah. No, no, that was it. That was it. I was going to say that ball Devontae Smith, when he, when he dropped that over

the middle, I think that that play in general, that catch would have sealed the game and they could have run the clock out from that point. If I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure how much time was on the clock, but those costly drops at important times in the game, especially a game like that, when you're starting quarterback is out, you got to make those plays.

You have to make those plays. Bro, I don't know what's happened to Marshawn Latimore. Bro, he literally got Philly right down the field. He got like three, four holding calls on one possession. And they could have called him again in the end zone. And he talking about what's, bro, you holding the man. You got the man around the waist. You got the man armed.

And you looking at the fish and like what? I'm like, do you not realize you're like literally holding this man? Yeah, I think Okay, I'm talking about literally. Yeah, you know what I do. I do think in his case you have to think how much time He's how much time? Marshawn has been out obviously the trade Going from the Saints to the commanders and then coming over. Yeah, he's coming off the injury So until he can get his legs back underneath him. I think, you know, you want to hold a little bit, you little handsy.

You're not using not playing with the technique. You're not using the eye. You know, you're not trusting your feet, you know, and stuff like that. So you do your tend to hold, you tend to grab the make sure you're in position to be able to make those plays and they were costly. Right. And see, the thing is is what you have to understand with AJ, he's a big physical receiver. He's not twitchy.

He's strong, but. Right, he's not twitchy. He's not a guy that's looking to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's looking to play through you. He's trying to play through contact. So you have to be physical with him. You can't be like a typical DB with a regular receiver,

small body receiver, you know, and play it because he's going to play through contact. And the last thing you want him to do is catch the ball and face you up. Because if he can catch the ball and face you up at his size, he's going to run through most DBs. And so Latimer got a little handsy with him. But I was like, bro, because at first I was like, this got to be a rookie. Ain't no way there's no veteran DB getting all these calls. And then I was like, bro, cause at first I was like, this gotta be a rookie. Ain't no way there's no veteran DB getting all these calls. And then I was like, damn, that's Marsha Latimer. And then Adonima like, bro,

he just coming back from injury. So he's not where he needs to be. He's not seeing things. His body, his body is not, you know, not his footwork, his technique is not what it needs to be. But they got away with one today. And the reason why Saquon didn't have the second half is because guess what? There's no threat.

Well, Kenny Pickett is not going to run the ball. What you call them, a jailer, her is a threat to run the football. Oh, yeah. Now we don't believe Kenny Pickett can beat us throwing the football. No. So you know what we're going to do defensively? You can call it a completely different game. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Different game. Oh, you know what? Man, let me let me let me stack this box. Yes. Let me stack this box. It's what we're going to do. You think you're going to run it today? Ah, no.

I don't believe Kenny Pickett can throw the Eagles to a victory, but I believe I know Saquon could run them to a victory. So let's tighten this thing down on Saquon. No more big plays. Let him get his one-twos like that. We can live with that, but we can't let him hit his head on a goal post. We do not believe Kenny Pickett can beat us throwing the football. And he couldn't.

But that was a big, I mean, they're not listening. It's a lot easier, Ocho, for the backup to come into the game when they're not expecting it. You don't practice for the backup. You practice for Jaylen Hurts. So your defense is kind of tailored to what Hurts can do. Hurts can beat us. Give DQ credit.

Dan Quinn, who's the head coach, is also the DC give him like, but it's a lot easier to call for Kenny Pickett because he ain't going nowhere. Right. He ain't going nowhere. But where's Jaylen hurts? We got to keep him in the pocket. We can't run past him because he'll jump out the window and you'll run to take off from us. Right.

I think it ain't going nowhere. Even if you run past him, we'll jump out the window and you'll run to take off from us. Right. Kiddie Pickett ain't going nowhere. Even if we run past him, we'll chase his ass down. Yeah. So how long, how long you think, one of the funny things about concussion protocol, it seemed like it varied depending on who the players or the significance of the injury based on, you know, what they feel as far as when you have to take those concussions. I'll bet you'll be back next week.

Just, just like that. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, if he's coming back that fast, I mean, there's no reason why, I mean, I would have thought he would have been able to come back into this game, but they, they do take it a little, a little bit, a little bit more for precaution because now you got to go into tent and now they can call down. They got neurologists and neurologists and stuff upstairs

Oh Joe, they can signal down say like he look a little wobbly. Let's get him up to feel for a play Let's get him into the tip. Let's get him, you know, get him evaluated and see But you can tell cuz he got hit in the side. See that was the problem that he had He going down his head and then the guy hit him in the side of his head. Yeah. Yeah, he was wobbly now Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was wobbly now. Oh yeah, hell yeah he was. Absolutely. He was wobbly. But uh give them credit the Eagles lose to the Washington commanders. The commanders 10 and 5 with that win the Cowboys and the 49ers were eliminated from the playoffs. The Eagles fall to 12 and 3. Still they've already won the the no hell no they still have a Washington can still catch it because if they lose out and Washington went out

can Washington catch him yes no what if they both what if they both what if they both 12 and five both. What are they both 12 and five? Cause I don't think the Eagles hadn't won the division after. Yeah. So still ready to decay. So that means watching it can catch it. Kansas City is one of the division. That means nobody in the division can catch him. Right. Buffalo is one of the division. That means nobody division could catch him. But I think they would have to win it.

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Defeated the Browns 24 to 6. Jamar Chase, past 1,500 yards, breaks his own franchise, receiving yardage record. I told you who he was. I told you. Garrett, Myles Garrett, got his 100th sack before turning 29 years of age. He tied the great Bruce Smith as the fourth fastest to get 100 sacks. Right. The Bengals next play at home on Saturday,

if I'm not mistaken, against the Broncos, correct? Against who? The Broncos. And guess who gonna win that game? And I'ma be there. Matter of fact, I'm going to the game. I hope it's cold. I hope it's cold,

because y'all don't do well in the cold. You do realize like Denver, it gets cold in Denver, right? It get cold in Cincinnati too, just as cold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right? It get cold in Cincinnati too, just as cold. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to the cold. Joe Burrow, 23 of 30, 252, three touchdowns, zero interception, he was sacked four times.

They ran the ball 22 times for 116 yards. Chase Brown, 18 carries, 91 yards. But it was Jamar Chase, six for 97 in the touchdown. He's going to win the Triple Crown. Nobody's even close to him in touchdowns, catches, or yards. So he's gonna get that. T had eight for 58, one touchdown. How you say that name?

Louis Vias? Just say Yoshi. How you say that name? Little bias Just just say Yoshi Yoshi Yoshi had three for 53 touchdown, oh Joe Cleveland Yeah, miles Garrett looking to get up out of there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean Most times normally with a player like that, a player of his caliber that doesn't cause any problems, he comes to play week in and week out, regardless of what's going on.

You know what you're going to get out of them. You want to you understand that as a team, as an ownership GM, you understand that you're in a rebuilding stage. You're going to have to find a quarterback, one that you can you can build with. Yeah. You're in a rebuilding stage, you're going to have to find a quarterback, one that you can, you can build with. Yeah. You're in a rebuilding stage. As far as Mal Garrett is concerned, if you care about the individual as a player, allowing not, not, how do I say it?

Not keeping them imprisoned while you're in a rebuilding stage, do right by the individual because he's always done right by you. Now most times when it comes to business, they don't think like that. But you would think in this case, in this scenario, after what he's already said, and what he's done for you, and what he's given that organization in that city, you give him an opportunity to go play for a contender. Go ahead. I would think, I would think and hope they would do the right thing until they

rectify their situation at the quarterback position. I mean, it's going to take a Kings ransom to get him. You're talking about a guy that's 29 years of age, uh, premier doesn't miss time, he gives it to you every game. He's great against the rush. Obviously he's a premier pass rusher, which that's what everybody's looking for. He can play, plays the run. He's durable.

He doesn't give you any problems on the field or off the field. When you go to bed at night, you don't have to worry about getting a call, saying, hey, Miles Garrett is in trouble. You don't worry about that. He's one of those guys you risk real easy knowing that he's going to be a professional both on and off the field at all times. And you can respect that and you appreciate that. Um, but it's probably going to take two first rounders, uh, maybe even a player.

A quality player that's on your roster and some others, maybe a second or the third. He's not coming cheap nor should he, because what, if you're giving up that level of player, Ocho, I need to be able to replace it with draft picks. Now there is no guarantee you're ever going to get a player to replay, to feel, to be what he was. But I got, I'm, I'm more, the problem is with Cleveland, they're more than miles garried away. So I would come out better, Ocho, you know what I'm saying?

Getting draft picks on a potential player to try to put and build from there. If I was just a miles, Garrett away, I was like, nah, I'm gonna keep it. And if I just get one player, but there are a lot of players away, Ocho. Especially offensively. Yeah. I think, honestly defensively, I think they're good.

I think they're sound. If they can have some adequate, consistent quarterback play that can move their ass up and down the goddamn field and be able to facilitate the ball that we've seen from them in spurts when certain quarterbacks have been in there, I think they'll be fine. But I mean, just right now, it's not what it is. And I would hope they do right by Myles Garrett and giving him the opportunity to go and play for a contender. So we'll see.

And Cleveland played them tough for as long as they possibly could, Ocho. It's just that they're undermanned at the quarterback position. Look at it, they ran the ball 24 times for a buck 46. So you're getting what? Five, six, you're getting basically six yards of carry, Ocho. You can't complain about that.

Four gave you 11 for 92. Your quarterback has great legs. He's a mobile quarterback. Not that accurate. But, you know, they got to touch down, got a callback with holding. I've got another big first down, got that callback for holding there. You know, they're OK, but they're there ways away offensively. They're way they're ways away. They. They're way, they're ways away. They need a couple of wide receipts.

I mean, Judy is good, but I mean, Judy's like, bro, even he's thinking like, man, if I just had a decent quarterback, y'all still what I can do if y'all got a quarterback and get me the rock. Y'all saw that the last three weeks, but he got three targets for 20 yards, three targets, two catches, 20 yards.

What are you supposed to do with that? Absolutely nothing, but this is a game like this. If I were Judy, you know, when I think about some of the times when I had Gus Farrar, you know, when I had Scott Mitchell, when I had John Kiddner and understanding that, you know, the offensive play caller was going to be a little different. You know, the ball coming to me was going to be a little different. So what I would do is always before I leave and break the huddle, boom.

I call it mind fucking the quarterback. He already has enough to worry about, huh? You don't wanna bother the quarterback. He hasn't come to the line, he has to go through his read, he has to go through his progression, his pre-snap stuff. So always when the play is called, right before I leave the huddle, I tap his hip. All right now I'm here. And just, just that, just to let him know, if you want to go with the ball, I don't care what the play call is.

Hey, I don't care what the play call is. And I ain't listen. And then, Oh, you know, I am, I'm know you've seen the clip before I come out the huddle and I line up and I see coverage and this man, whether it's off or whether he's on, the first thing I do, you can hit it in the entire stadium. Just alert the quarterback, yee-hee. All right, now when you hear that sound,

you know what time it is. They'll take a quick peak now. You ain't got to do much to take a quick peak. Now if I hit you with that, yeah, I got you. Yeah, I'm telling you, 99 percent, 99.9 percent of the time. I got you like life insurance. I tell constant all the time that you ain't got to do that. You ain't got to go through all that bullshit.

Now I got you. Yeah. Understand that. Yeah, but, oh, Joe, you saw this again. Joe got sacked and the ball came out. Don't saying that. Yeah, but Ocho, you saw this again. Joe got sacked and the ball came out. Don't do that, don't do that, man. Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm just saying.

I hear you, but don't do that. Come on, man. I understand. I know you, I know you. In Kansas City, what happened, Ocho? You had a seven point lead, what happened? Yeah, the ball came out. Okay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You see what happening happening is and see the problem with fans don't understand what you do understand

Yeah, you had a 14-point lead. Yeah, but what happens when you don't have that lead? You had that lead against Baltimore. You had a 10-point lead and then what happened you threw a bit you fumble boom Now you have a seven-point lead against Kansas City script sack scoop and score Pittsburgh you do two picks and you well pick and you fumbled it. Yeah, that's what gets you beat you play in Cleveland You're supposed to Molly walk Cleveland that office It's still cleaning that the defense ain't bad man, but I'll be worried that yeah the office is worse Cleveland that the defense ain't bad now. But the office is worse.

Yeah. The office is worse. This is so much good. And remember this is a division game. This is a division game. And for some reason it's always close. Hell look how the Bills been playing all season and look how they struggled against the Patriots today. So it's something about those games, Steelers, Ravens, always close.

It's never really a blowout most of the time. So I mean, listen, the Browns had their hands full. Plenty listen, they had to play against the greatest bangle most of the time. So I mean, listen, the Browns had their hands full, listen, they had to play against the greatest banger receiver of all time. The greatest player of all time. The first receiver to ever have 1500 yards of the season, huh? 15 touchdowns. Wait, 16 now. They ain't never seen nothing like that. Young Bull, he from New Orleans. He putting the work. Boy, hey, Mike Brown kicking his own stuff in the ass. Yeah.

I don't know why they play with him. I don't, I don't, I don't know. Anytime you have a receiver that comes out after the draft, after getting drafted. And the first thing he says is before he say anything else, I'm breaking every motherfucker record y'all got. That's it. Well, he didn't curse, but I'm a curse for him. Just add a little seasoning to it. Huh, you coming in with that with that type of that type of moxie. That's what that's what that's

what the white folk call it. They call it moxie. You know, I call it I call it confidence, you know, and people that don't like the bangles or like Jamar, they gonna call it arrogance. No, you know, believe in yourself, understanding your skill set, knowing the work that you put in to get to this point to know what you're gonna do when I get to where I'm going. Huh? Come on, man. We've been doing this, man.

As Papa Chase. Papa Chase, I know y'all watching. They watching too. I know they watching. Man, look, it's one thing to like, okay, I went to the Pro Bowl. Okay. One thing that I went, I'm an all- like, okay, I went to the pro bowl. Okay. One thing that I went, uh, uh, I'm an all pro on first team, all program. He's going to be a unanimous first team, all pro selection.

He'll be one of the few guys that make a first team, all pro selection. Um, it's one thing. Okay. I led the league and receiving where I led the league in yardage or I led the league in touchdown, bro. He got it all. He got sweet stakes. Oh yeah. It's almost like Ocho, he won the Powerball, Mega Millions, Cash, Cash 3, Fantasy 5, Cash 4. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Matter of fact, oh my goodness, now that you just said that,

everybody in the chat, including you, like listen, I think the Powerball or Mega Millions, a lot of whatever it is right now, is that what? 927? 9, 9 what? Yeah. Make sure you go play that chat. Everybody in the chat, please go play Powerball. You got to go. Oh, Joe, you got to play that. You got to be in some little rural area. Right. They're going to let you win in the Miami Guards. Okay. So you don't think so?

I think, listen, I think it's about guessing the numbers. It's about getting the numbers right. You can go watch YouTube. You can go go watch YouTube and watch some of the videos on how to make your chances greater by using certain numbers and certain strategies and certain methods. So I'm going to do it and when I win, when I win, I'm telling you, I'm taking all of us. Nightcap, we all going to move in the same community. No, we not. I'm not moving. I'm getting a little condo in Houston.

I'm a little I'm a little something. Get a little car. You hear me? Here we go. Here we go. Hey, hey, nobody. I got a condo in Houston, though. Nobody but me and the real estate agent. That's the only people that's going to know I got a condo in Houston. I I'm a no. I am. I'm going to.

Then you go. No, no, no, no, you draw too much attention, no, hell no. Whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't even go out. I don't draw no attention. You do, and you wanna talk. Hey, you, yeah, let's take a picture. Get in here, let's get a picture. No, hell no.

Yeah. No. Yeah, you hug it up, hug it up, hug it up, hug it up. But, hey, but Chase, man, congratulations, bro. You have finished this thing off strong. Go ahead and get this Triple Crown. One of the great seasons. He's at 108 catches.

He's over 1,500 yards. He's got 16 touchdowns. There's a chance he could get to 130 catches. Get to a seven, I mean, 130, 1,700 yards. Maybe 18, 19 touchdowns. Maybe even a magic number 20. Yeah. Which will be one, which will be, huh? There's still two games left right? Two games left. Yeah man he gonna he gonna

he gonna crush that he definitely gonna crush that. Hey can I tell y'all something? Oh they got what you call I think they close out with Pittsburgh. Don't they got the Steelers? Because they y'all I think y'all got Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh. Okay that's gonna be good. Y'all got the Broncos in Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh. Hey and and I just want to say one thing um the numbers Chase is putting up the season he's had, the consistency that he's had since he's entered the league, week in and week out, the ups and downs, even when things aren't going well,

I just want everybody to know from a nutritional standpoint that Jamar Chase eats McDonald's. I just want to throw that out there. I don't know why that was on my heart. It was heavy on my heart just to let you guys know that it was heavy on my heart to let you know as well, what he's been able to do on that diet. And it's not what you eat.

It's not what you eat. It's all skill set. Either you got it or you don't. But anyway, we can go ahead with the show. The Bills defeated the Patriots by a lot closer score than people would have thought. 24 to 21, the Bills got a shaky win off a team that should have dominated.

Josh Yadda's been playing with a broken left hand all season, wonder how that got leaked all of a sudden. He broke it in week one, hold on. He broke it in week one, and here we are week 15. Anyway, but guess what? It's been reported that Gerard Mayo's job security is reportedly safe unless there's a total collapse at the end of the season.

Ocho, you watched this game. What didn't you like about what you saw from Buffalo? And then we'll get into the Patriots. We had some drops and I'm not even gonna say what I didn't saw from Buffalo and then we'll get it to the Patriots. We had some drops and you know, I don't, I'm not going to say what I didn't like from Buffalo because I know what it's like playing against a division opponent. I know what it's like. I just saw Buffalo put up 40 and back to back weeks against two teams that were really, really good. Yeah, that were ramped in the, uh, ramp in the Lions. But again, the Rams and the Lions, but these are teams that you don't face often. These are teams that don't know your tendencies. They don't know the things you like to do. They're really not familiar with you like that. So I expected, matter of fact, I think I said it too,

Unc. I think I said it when we talked about, yeah, about them having to play the Patriots. I say, Unc, it's going to be close because anytime you play a divisional opponent, I don't know what it is Even though the Patriots have played bad, you know Well, they've had some there hasn't bright spots for Drake made Drake may has had some moments where he looked very good and very promising But I say I say, you know the game is gonna look like this and long behold Exactly. Like I said, it would look that's exactly how I look where Drake may in those pages almost won this game. They almost won this game. So what I saw today was expected because it's a division opponent and both teams are so familiar with each other and what they like to do.

They did a better job of taking care of the football. They would have won Drake may throw a harbor intercepting in the end zone that took points off the board. Uh, they had four fumbles. They lost two of those. And you can't have when you're playing on the road and you're playing a team that's better than you are, everything damn, it has to go perfect. Perfect.

Um, and it was going, it was going really well, but those turnovers, you can't turn the ball. If you cannot, you cannot turn the ball over in the end zone. That's a, that's an absolute no-no because you take points off the board Josh Allen and remember I was on first take and I say if this node MVP is not over it is not over And that's why I always advise people and I used to vote for a decade. I had a vote I voted for the MVP. I voted for a first team the all-pro team I voted for the war. I voted for the all pro team. I voted for the

wards, you know, offensive player of the year, defense and so forth and so on. And I waited to the very end. I took it serious. And I obviously, you know, being in the studio, you get an opportunity to watch all the games. I ain't just watching highlights. I'm watching because that's why I feel very comfortable. I took it serious. I'm not just going by, excuse me guys, I'm not just going by names because I think the all pros team is serious because you're talking about the best players regardless of conference. So I'm just not your name. Your name means nothing. Nothing.

I'm based it on play that year. I'm not trying to take away the, uh, the, the all pro teams that you got selected on before. That's not what I'm trying trying to take away the all-pro team that you got selected on before that's not what I'm trying to do But if I don't feel you deserving of that of that honor this year, I'm not voting for you. It's really that simple Yeah, but uh Lamar and I said this I say well y'all got to look at Lamar's stats I mean a man has 37 touchdowns for picks and Then you throw in his rushing total so he's 40 touchdowns with like six or seven turnovers. You look at his, you look at his passing numbers.

That's what Aaron Rogers was doing when he was winning MVP, right? Throwing 40 plus touchdowns with single digit interceptions. Yeah. That's what he's doing. Now I do think, and, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, they're like, but hold on, he got a guy that's rushed for 1600 yards in his backfield. So what are we gonna do with that?

Right. And so I think that, you know, his numbers are his numbers. Now right now, if I had a vote, I probably would vote for Lamar. Right. I would vote for Lamar. Right. I would vote for Lamar. Has your vote, is your vote swayed

because of the performance that Josh Allen had? Josh Allen had the baby. Yeah, just like it was swayed when Lamar number lost and it didn't, just like it was swayed when he played against Pittsburgh. Remember? He didn't play well. Right.

This week he came back and he played better. And you look at the last couple of weeks, Josh Allen had like 10 touchdowns in two games. How can it not? But we gotta be fair. We gotta evaluate it on what we see. They got two games left. I do believe Lamar Jackson can win.

It'd be interesting to see. I bet those odds for Josh Allen winning the MVP ain't what they started today. I bet you that. What are the odds now? Well, he started at minus 900 today, right? I think he started at minus 900. Hmm.

You know what I don't like? I don't like the fact that when it comes to the MVP award is an individual accomplishment, but when it comes to the MVP award is an individual accomplishment, but when it comes to what's necessary to win it as far as the team success as well, they take that into account as well. But if we were talking about MVP from a statistical standpoint and stats, I look at Joe Burrow and always ask myself, well, why is he not in the conversation? And then everyone says, well, the team itself is losing. So therefore he's not in the, you know, he's, he's not in the conversation? And then everyone says, well, the team itself is losing.

So therefore he's not in the, you know, he's, he's not. I mean, he, I mean, there's a chance. I mean, he doesn't make the playoffs. You never going to get the MVP on the guy that didn't make the playoffs. Right. Right. Right. But no, no. And that's the thing. I think, um, Joe has had a phenomenal season.

Now had they have a, they had a record similar to Lamar's or they had a record similar to Josh Allen. We have a case. Now we got a whole different discussion. Yes, yes. But I mean the guy MVP and the guy who's, what is they, he's seven and eight. Can be really.

I know it's tough. But again, that's why I just said how the goalposts move when it comes to the discussion on a, on a, on a trophy that's based on individual accomplishment and accolades on what you've done individually, you know, so using the team success as a reason why you can't be in the conversation. It throws me off just a tad bit. Because at the end of the day, what does those stats means if you're not winning? Because at the end, and this is what I used to argue

with my co-host, my partner on first, on Undisputed. I said, still a stat award. You're not gonna, you go 15 and 0, and you got 3000 yard passing, and another guy goes 10 and six, and he's got 5000 yard passing and another guy goes 10 and six and he's got 5,000 yard passing and 40 touchdowns right and you got 3,000 yards and 20 touchdowns you're not winning that award go back and look look at all those years

Drew Brees was throwing for 5,000 yards how many MVP's did he win you right yeah win. You right. Yeah. It's a stat award, but I need, I need those stats to equate the wins. Right. So if I'm piling up a bunch of stats, Ocho, and I ain't getting no wins, cause people gonna like, oh, bro, yeah, yeah. Well, hell you behind all you doing is you stat paying. Right. Cause none of those numbers goes towards wins. Right. Like I said, y'all don't believe it. Go back and look at Drew Brees and look at how many, I think he got four or five, 5,000 yard passing season. But when you lose it,

how can I give you an award like that? Because your stats doesn't equate to wins. Lamar's stats is equating to wins. Jerry Gough, although he doesn't have, I mean, he had an outstanding day today. You look at Josh Allen, his numbers equates to wins. Right. Saquon, his numbers equates to wins.

But I think the only thing that's really hurting Lamar is that he got a 16, almost a 1,700 yard rush in his backfield. Right. Who's averaging five and a half yards of carry. He's got 13, 14 Russian touchdown. When I think about it, chat, y'all might not like this and uncle, you might not like this. I mean, Joe burrow hasn't been in the conversation for MVP all season

long because of our record, right? Correct. The last two games, these last two games after we beat the Broncos on Saturday, I'm telling you right now, I'm letting you know right now, you know, Patrick Surtain, Jr. You got to deal with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. So at Bo Nix ain't nothing. You're going to get nixed. That's what's going to happen. We're going to go into Pittsburgh the following week. We're going to win that game. And then when we makeall niggas. We gonna go into Pittsburgh the following week, we gonna win that game and then when we make it and we have an opportunity to go into the playoffs, because the football guys

happen to bless us. That MVP conversation will have to change. There's a good chance, Ocho. It gonna hurt. Y'all beat the Broncos and then lose the final game of the season. It gonna hurt. That's gonna hurt. Oh, that's gonna hurt.

Oh, it's just so bad. Cause I know you're gonna be happy. Oh, what I tell you. Oh, I told you. Y'all lose that leg. Oh, but if they go hurt, that thing will hurt like star. They say brand new shoes. It is.

It is. And that would probably, that would probably be another moment that I would get emotional on camera and I don't care who laughs and I don't care if they make me a meme because I still love and bleed and live the game of football. I just do. I wish I could play it. I wish I could still be out there competing, having fun, but I just can't. So I live vicariously through the show, watching TV and I think we're gonna make the playoffs. I think we're gonna make it. We're gonna win these last two games. I know how it's gonna work. I understand how the football gods work. I've seen the NFL script before the season started. I know how the story end is going to go.

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Gills finished with 154 scrimmage yards. 109 of those came on the ground and a touchdown while having four receptions for 45 yards. Jerry Goff finished today. Twenty three of thirty two, three thirty six, three touchdowns, zero interception. He also set a career high passing touchdowns in the season with thirty three with two games to go. Oh, Joe, you watch the Lions go on the road in Soldier Field. Yeah. And.

Do what they want to do. Go out there and have fun. Take Motown. Take Motown to Chicago. I had to hit the temptation moves. Celebrate throwing the ball all over the place. Jamison Williamson doing what Jamison Williamson does.

Amon Ross Saint Brown scoring. I don't know what. I don't know what kind of celebration that was in the guy. Y'all know what they're doing.. All I know is they're going to get fined for it. You think so? Hey, that was Jameer Gibbs, right? He was like doing a stripper dance or something on the phone. I don't know what they were doing. Right now, Minnesota got the dancing thing on lock.

Right now, Minnesota, they got the choreo. They got it on lock, Coach O. Listen, I don't know. Listen, excuse me, chat for being rude. Excuse me for being disrespectful Whoever the young the young bull is for the Minnesota Vikings that they'll accept the celebration We copied the lady who did the freestyle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah The celebration I don't know I don't know young boy name But that to me is one of the greatest celebrations of all time.

And they just hit the white chicks a couple of weeks ago. Oh, that was a good one. And then they had the lady today, they do it and they had the lineman and everybody do it. I said what that? Cause you know the lineman, they be wanting to get it. Hey man, let us see it. Nah, y'all about to mess this up. No. If y'all, if you rehearse it and get it right, we'll let you participate. But Minnesota got the dancing thing on lock right now.

But I was very impressed with Minnesota. The only thing, oh Joe. You mean Detroit, Detroit. Detroit. No, I was saying Minnesota's choreography. Okay, okay, okay. But Detroit, Coach Campbell, it's okay to take a field goal, bro.

All these fourths and threes, man, come on, man. Come on, kick the field goal and go up 37-17. It's okay. It really is, Ocho. He trying to run the score, man. He don't even see it. You know, hey, Dan is playing balls to the wall. He's the definition of a visual representation of I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna do it my way. Yeah. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna listen. I don't know what um what's

the word what's the word they say um uh not not tendencies where analytics. I don't care what analytics say. I'm going against it. I like I I like Dan I know his players got to love him man they do Caleb Williams go ahead what you say go ahead I was saying Caleb Williams was 26 and 43 34 to touchdowns he was sacked to twice oh Joe they just got to do a better job. I mean, the first four possession, two puns, two fumbles, and you're down because then they get going, but you're not good enough to spot a team and to overcome that deficit.

You're just not. Keenan Allen was sensational, nine foot, buck 41, a touchdown, Rome, a doozy, four foot 77, for 77 DJ more 7 for 68 they didn't run the ball nearly enough but you fall behind like that so basically you got to throw that you got to throw the the running game out the window but with the golf when you run the ball like they do play action out bro if Jameson when you lined up on your side, safety, Jonathan Owens. If your cornerback is playing outside leverage,

so you know you got the gold ball cup, the only thing that can hurt you, if he get over the top of you at the post, you better get on your damn horse and get back. I don't know what you looking for, but he can run and here's the thing, Ocho, corner don't put hands on him, so you don't make him check his feet. But he can run and here's the thing, Ocho. Yeah. Wanna go put hands on him.

So you don't make him check his feet. So by his fourth step, fifth step, he full speed. And so while you, hey, you go back and look at it. When they showed all 22, when that come, when Stevenson opens up and he starts digging, he steps up left foot in the dirt and dig the head to that post and always look. It's over. It's too late. Yeah. It's over. It's impossible to recover at that point if you're not already

going. You got to know when to go. You got to know when to go. Anticipation, skills as a DB is understanding what's in front of you, who's in front of you. That's it. You got to know your competition. You got to. If I'm on Tyreek's side, Tyreek, and I know the cornerback, and I know the corner's opening up, and he's taking away his outside for the goal,

oh, Tyreek ain't beat me to the post. He might run the dagger, but he ain't get to the post. I'm finna stay so so far for that upfield shoulder So far up. Yes You not you would not beat me out of position. No, sir. Not today Okay, I don't think guys do enough of studying and understand tendencies because there are certain things I was not gonna let a guy beat me with right?

You're not gonna beat me with your strength. Now, if you got a counter move, because I'm going to take away the initial move. Right. If I'm in past protection, I'm going to take away your initial move. If I know you try to get up field, I'm going to open up, I'm going to kick. But bro, they let these guys, you know, that guy runs four, three. And you just like casually grow. No, that's not.

That's not Tina. Now, and who you practice against. Right. Kenan, that is looking to shake your ass up. Jamison, William is looking to take the top off. Yeah. Understand what you're up against, who you're up against. You'll be just fine.

But I think these guys, a lot of times I was like, they just going out there and say, okay, he a wide receiver. No, bro, some of these guys can really dig. And you better understand that or you gonna be smelling deodorant. Oh, that's a tough day. Yeah, that's a big smell of deodorant, Ocho.

That's a good one. So I don't, but the Lions look really good. Even after that tough loss last week, they bounced right back. It's a, because think about it. They can go get 30 at the drop of a hat. Any day. They can get 30 at the drop of a hat.

You just hope you can hold it, cause who they played with the jazz, where they put 59, they score. Bro, they didn't put the ball to damn They're five minutes in the fourth quarter That's how they going up and down the field Really good team somebody go how they work cut out from y'all been hope y'all get there outside Hopefully don't get home home home field in that dome

Because if they get home field you got the whole now, oh Joe They're off a little bit and we can put them behind the eight ball, right? But if you let them if you let them dictate to you the game It's gonna be long please You you you you in for trouble The Vikings Minnesota Vikings go on the road defeat the Seattle Seahawks 27 24 as crazy as sound the Vikings now have the road, defeat the Seattle Seahawks 27-24. As crazy as it sounds,

the Vikings now have a clear path to the top seed. They'll clinch the top seed if they win their final two games. And, because in the process of doing that, that means they would have had to defeat, ta-da, the Detroit Lions. Darv will finish with 22 of 35 passing 246 three touchdowns no turnover found JJ 10 times for a buck 44 and

Twice score twice Sam Darno might stay give JJ McCarthy that look your love treatment He hadn't had a whole lot of game-winning drives because he's really not been in a situation. I mean, you play with the Jets and you play with Carolina. Yeah, you're not going to get that many opportunities. But when you look at JJ and Addison and Hawkinson and Aaron Jones, bro, they've surrounded with talent. Yeah, he's done a great job of distributing the football. You just can't turn the ball. I mean, Seattle, you turn the ball over too much.

You can't throw a Gino had a 31, a 43, 314, three touchdowns. But two picks, the last one is basically seal the ball game. You can't do that. No, not at all. You got to give yourself a chance. You have to give yourself a chance to win the game. And the only way to do that is you have to possess the ball. You got to be able to possess the ball and be able to move the ball down the goddamn field.

You know? You can't do that giving it away. Especially giving it away to them as well as the Vikings have been playing all year. Sam Don has been phenomenal. The entirety of the season. Listen, that wasn't on my bingo card. I'm just going to be honest with you. Oh hell, it wasn't. Nobody knew bingo card. That was't on my bingo card. I'm just gonna be honest with you. Oh hell, it wasn't nobody's bingo card. That was not on my... Is he eligible for Comeback Player of the Year, Ocho? You got to be.

Is Sam Donah eligible for Comeback Player of the Year? They got to, who else do they give it to? Who else do they give it to? You have to, because you're not expecting it. You've seen him be a star in New York. You've seen him be a star in... He's ineligible. Huh?

Because he didn't come back from, Illda, because after they gave it to Joe Flacco, people got upset. They're like, hold on. Joe didn't come back from nothing. He just came back off his damn couch. He wasn't. Come on, man.

I understand, but listen, I understand. You gotta move the goalpost a little bit when it comes to the, what's the word I'm looking for to the Damn, what's the word? Anyway, hey chat Sam Donahue deserves come back player of the year whether he's coming back from an injury where they come back from playing bad We've seen what he looked like when he was in carolina. We saw he looked like he was with the new york jets Hey playing the way he's played this year, man, he's deserving of that

award. I don't care what the three records may be to win it. Man, forget that. No, okay. You can't come back from playing bad. You just some sauce. You got to come back from an illness. You got to come back from a major injury like Adrian Peterson, like Teddy Bruski, like Tom Brady. You know, you did you got to come back from something. Well, nobody, nobody's nobody's in contention to win that award because nobody's playing that damn well that's coming off any type of injury or illness.

So this year we need to just give the award to goddamn Sam Donnell. Now, I don't know who I need to talk to. I don't know who soapbox I need to stand on and who I need to send a letter of recommendation to for Sam Donnell, but I will do so. I'm trying to think who's even eligible that I can think of off the top of my head as a quarterback or running back. We in week 15 and the fact that you have to think, let you know who needs to win it. Yeah, it is right there. I got, I got a PP real quick.

Uh, hello. That's the case. What's the call them? Go win it. Joe burrow, Joe, I mean, Joe burrow, uh, had torn ligaments in his wrist. So, I mean, if I had a boat, that's who I'm voting for because he is coming back off of something coming back because you are Lack of a better term suck

That ain't overcoming something that's overcoming your own bad play. That's not an injury. That's not an illness But for me, I think Joe burrow would Will will probably win that award considering he missed what five Five, six games last year and he's coming back and he's leading the league in touchdown passes. He's leading the league and passing yardage. Yeah, for me, that's who I think would win it. I would definitely give it to him. Okay, yeah, J.K. Thomas.

Hell, he out again, so he might be eligible for it next year. He might be eligible for it next year. But I get why they doing it this way because Joe Burrow got it and all he did was come off his couch. He didn't come off an injury or anything like that. And it's like, that's not what coming back from because that's the case.

There are a lot of guys that's coming back that sucked one year and played really well the next year, but that's not what the award was intended for. Joe Burrow's gonna win this award. You know that right? What? You know, but your burro hurt his wrist last year and missed six games. Yeah, okay Now you still think you still think I'll say I'm not gonna get that shouldn't get that a war Don't try to put you in this don't try to put you on this

Listen if there's a conversation you want to have and you want to use Joe Burrow's name, it needs to be the MVP conversation, not no comeback player of the year. Did Joe Burrow overcome an injury? Did he finish the season last year? It's a simple question, it's a simple yes or a simple no. Did Joe Burrow finish the season for the Cincinnati Bengals last year? No. So therefore, he would have been a player that overcame injury or an illness. Now what was the injury or the illness that Sam Donnell overcame to make himself eligible

for this award? The illness is having to play for the Jets organization. He wasn't with the Jets, he was with the 49ers, he was a backup. Okay let's try again. Okay. The Panthers organization then he wasn't on the path that was two years ago. He was on the 49ers on the backup role again. Let's try again. Alright, the 49ers. You know what they got to him the the the the mental. I'm trying to think of a word to use to

help Sam that Sam out right here and I trying to think of a word to use to help Sam that Sam out right here, and I can't think of argument I Can't think of argument But unless you know right there you got it there you go Okay, if there's an MIP if you want to say most improved player, right? But unless that's only in basketball, we don't have any football right? You're right. You're right. You're right Listen, I'm trying to figure out an argument for him, but I can't right now. I can't. Oh, you gonna figure out an argument for Sam Darnham

over Joe Word for comeback player of the year? Yeah, because I'm not, I don't, listen, we're used to seeing Joe play great in no regards. We're not saying, oh, all of a sudden he came back from an injury. He came back from an injury or an illness. He's not the most improved because we're used to seeing him play like this. But that's not the most improved, it's come back.

Come back in the definition of the bylaws, you must come back from an injury or an illness. You still haven't told me the injury or the illness that Sam Darnall overcame to be in this discussion. I, well shit, the illness is having to be a backup for some horrendous teams. What, being a backup for the 49 is a bad job? You went to the sumo.

No, no, no, no, no, I didn't say that. I'm just saying the two before that, the previous ones before that. You don't get, I'm like, wait a minute. So you wanna jump two years, three years, and say, okay, he's still overcoming, trying to come back from that. Yes, that stuff takes a mental toll on you.

That stuff takes a mental toll on you. That stuff takes a mental toll on you. Can you imagine, you know, the dysfunction you had to deal with back to back and in two different places. Then all of a sudden you get the sunshine over in San Francisco where things are okay, but you don't get to see the field. You don't get to show them what you can do. You know, I'm giving the Bryce it? How about that? Bryce Young won one game. He looking good though. He's looking good. We get that in a minute, but. I mean, you don't wanna give it over to Bryce?

Hold on, check this out. He won one game last year and he got benched during the season this year. Damn. Hey, we know this, there's a chance, you know, that I don't know. There's a chance. Ricky Pierce all got shot. Tank Dale got shot. Come on. Come on now. You don't think that's overcoming something? Somebody put some hot lead in your ass. Man, come on. That mean that gotta be something on the chat. Nah, man. That don't count. Oh, okay. Damn. That don't count. Hey, listen. Sam is playing so well.

I think he's played himself. He's played himself into a good contract with another team, but I don't think, I don't think the Vikings let him go. I don't think the Vikings let him go simply because of the uncertainty in JJ McCarthy going to be healthy and ready to go when he gets back. Isn't it another situation where it could be like a Kirk Cousins and a Michael Pettig Is JJ McCarthy going to be healthy and ready to go when he gets back? Isn't it another situation where it could be like a Kirk Cousins and a Michael Pettink Jr. Do we secure Sam Darnold and knowing what he gives you if McCarthy happens to go down again?

I mean, you, yeah, you win an investment of 100 plus million, guaranteed, because you see what it is. And I tried to tell you and you said no. Now. Cousins made 62 million this year. Right. Guaranteed cuz you see what it and I tried to tell you and you said no now Cousins made 62 million this year, right? He's gonna make another 38 million Yeah next year to get him at a hundred now They're not gonna pick up that roster bonus because they don't pick up the roster bonus They'd have had to ensure the rest of it, which would have been 180 million So now he's gonna be being pulled a russ million. So now he's gonna be being pulled to Russ. You okay with that? Now? And I tried and I said, Oh, Joe, and best case

scenario, right? cousins give you two years. That's the absolute best case. And you made them 100 million. Right. What happens if he gives you one and you're still on the hook for 100? That's exactly what he gave us. It was when you're hoping, your fingers across, your fingers across and it didn't work. It didn't work out how we thought it would. We didn't get the Kirk Cousins that we thought we were gonna get.

Now we saw him, we saw him. Oh we did. We got him in the first half, but there was a five game stretch when you got the Kirk Cousins that we know he could potentially be also. Yeah, but when he was on, he was on. But when he's off, he was on. But when he's off, oh, he off.

I'm talking about he off. Yeah, yeah. When he's off, yeah. I had the women and children cause, hey, he about to pull his pants down. It ain't pretty. It was bad. It was really, really bad.

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