Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Travis plays both sides of field, Tyreek Hill antics, Shedeur Sanders criticism

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week, including Travis Hunter playing 100% of the snaps, Shedeur Sanders criticism on patting the Football, Dolphins growing tired of Tyreek Hill drama, & much more!04:19 - Travis Hunter says he can play every NFL snap24:00 - Dolphins tired of Tyreek Hill drama33:16 - Shedeur Sanders patting Footballs50:37 - Julio Jones retires53:13 - Ravens owner Bisciotti: "We have a small window with Lamar(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and make the most out of your tax refund. What are you at the next level? Both, just like you saw me play. You want to do both. How many snaps in a football game can you play? All of them. If they give me the chance then the opportunity to do it. So we were talking about the challenges that come with it. You got to be in offensive meetings, you got to be in defensive meetings, you got to be in wide receiver meetings, you got to be in defensive back meetings. How is there enough time to do all that? How did you prepare for that when you played college? Well we kind probably got 16 more. So that's 16 that I'm up. All dedicated to those. Yeah, all them dedicated to football. Ocho, the issue is not playing both of them.

Can you play both of them well? Right, right. Cause I can put anybody out there to play both sides, but how well can they play it? There's an, that's, there's a difference. There's levels. There That's it. I, there's a difference. There are levels. There have been great guys in college that couldn't play at that next level.

Right. And you're asking him, because see, for me, it don't do him no good. For me to, for him to go out there, like, oh, he playing both sides of the ball. How well will he play both sides of the ball? That's the question. Do I believe he gonna play every snap?

No, he's not. You know what I like? I like the belief. I like the fact that he believes he can actually do it. Most of the time, that's where it all starts. In anything you do in life, believing that you can do it, manifesting, not only doing that,

not only believing it and manifesting it, then working your way into actually being able can do it. Manifesting. Not only doing that. Not only believing in it and manifesting it. Then working your way into actually being able to do it. Has it been done before? Absolutely not. Which is why you and I. They used to play both ways back. Back in the 50s, the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s. I think Chuck McCarrick, rest his soul, was the last two-way player. He was a middle linebacker and a center for the Eagles. He was the last full-time two-way player. Concrete Charlie. And I think one of the reasons why me and you and everyone else is debunking his ability

to play full-time on both sides of the ball is because of how much extreme, what's the word I'm looking for here? It's a physical grind. Because guess what, Ocho? He plays both sides of the ball. He gets hurt and miss a game. Guess what I've got?

I'm down two players. Oh, yeah, that too. But listen. I'm down two players, Ocho. Listen, I like the confidence though. I like the confidence. Oh yeah, for sure. That's part of it. That's half the battle is believing. Everything for sure. That's part of it. That's half the battle.

It's believing. Everything you do. Believing you can do it. Now what I do, what I would love for them to do is you got to focus on one thing. You got to be great at one thing. You're not going to be able to be great at both. You can't be great at DB and great at receiver. You have to become a craftsman at one or the other. Now I don't know which one is gonna be. Me personally, I like him playing both. I enjoy it. I

enjoy watching him play both sides of the ball. Will he be able to do it at that level, at an elite level, at the next level? I don't know. That's very, very difficult. When you look at the level of talent you're gonna have to see week in and week out that's the hard part because the level the level the level the level field evens yeah everything evens. There are a lot of guys that are just as talented as he is wait say it again I said there are guys that just as talented as you. Yeah, just as talented. In the NFL.

There'll be some that are even more talented. Everyone in, everyone in just as fast. Everyone just as quick. Ladder movement, short air quickness, no matter what you, everything, everybody is exactly the same. There's one thing that separates everybody. Your technique and up here. It becomes the mental game at that point. I like it though. It's exciting. I'm curious. I'm curious to see where he goes and not only where he goes

but what they allow him to do. How are they gonna use him? People talking about they don't hit in the NFL. Yeah, they do. They do. Please. I know the rules have changed a little bit. You know, they can't hit like they did during our day. But they still hitting that. They still hit. I tell you, you know what? I wish all the fans that say they don't hit,

they would sign a waiver and go out there and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Friend, okay, who's the, no, no, no, no. Uh, Fred, okay. Who's the, who's the safety? Okay. TJ, what? It's, it's no, no, no, no But yeah, put on the put on some pads as a fan And not understanding how fast the game is and how fast them mo foes is moving

Man don't do that You you bring it up on there you play you played 11 years. I played 14 years. I understand the collision If people see Everybody thinks something easy if you've never done it Or maybe they maybe they have maybe they have done it on but we talk about peewee high school College that's in my pro, but it's different There's different there's levels to this as you go up you play flag you play Popcorn I mean peewee pop water whatever you want to call it. Then you go to JB you go to high school You go to college now. There is no higher level

Than the NFL So all the people say look the NFL a will allow you to play We want you to sign this waiver. Whatever position you want to play. If you want to play running back, you want to play wide. Running back, will. You want to play quarterback. Running back, will.

Huh? If they want. And please. And so, no, Joe, not again. We're going to have practice, okay? Who you want to go up against? So you want Fran Warner, you want Zaire Franklin, you want Roe Conn Smith. Okay, you want Pat Warner, you want Zaya Franklin, you want Ro Khansal.

Okay you want Pat Sertan, you want Jaylen Ramsey, you want Stingley. I'm talking about who do you want? Who do you want to guard? Who do you want to go up against? Now we're going to just one time and we'll say okay now tell me what you think. You think they're still hitting NFL? And you know what people's perspective on the game won't change until they're actually in that situation.

And since situation, hypothetically speaking, they will never be in, therefore, that's why they comment the way they do from the outside looking in. That's why they talk down on players the way they do because they've never been in that position. They don't understand how difficult it is. So it's easy to talk, you know, from the couch, or if you watch the game and you're studying the game they've never been in that position. They don't understand how difficult it is. So it's easy to talk from the couch, or if you watch a game and you study the game

and have never actually played it, to understand how difficult it is. I don't think people really understand how great Saquon Barkley is. Forget the number he's put up, I don't think they get it. They don't understand how good Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, all these dudes that you talk about, you know, on Twitter and X and they don't understand how good these dudes are.

Oh, I'm not saying that you can't catch, but I'm saying catch the ball when a dude going to drill you. We have to focus. We have to focus. We have to lock in on the ball, bring it in. Man, come on, man. It's so many that man's man Hey, oh Joe, they don't hit no more I tell you what we will hand the ball off and we gonna block it just like we would if that was Derek Henry or Say Kwan running the football. We're not gonna turn him loose on you

We're gonna block it all the same and in my mind you remember this and when they block it all the same There's always one free man that the run back has to beat. Absolutely, because the quarterback is not blocking anybody. Always one man that the quarterback has to beat, and that's your man. You got to beat him on your own. It's different, man. And you got on pads? I mean, you're not used to juking nobody. Hey, as a matter of fact, you see the guy from the Hawks? They had the two guys and he went to lay the ball up and he ended up tearing his knee. Whoop!

For real? Yes! You talking about like a hand-five? Yes, you know how they have a competition. You gotta make so many points. One guy on one end, one guy on the other end. They gave him five, four, three three he got the ball with the land up blue really my body in the wheelchair that's funny but what's the thing is

oh I don't think people realize when people like what damn man you bigger than I thought you look that't look that big on TV. Tell them I'm small compared to a tiny. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then you multiply that. I got run at full speed. If you ain't never been used to taking no hit or you haven't taken a hit in a while, you're not thinking, No, not at all.

Cause as I got older, I didn't want to, look, I was a guy, I would take a lick. I would, hey, okay, I'm close. I was right back up. If I got older, I start getting year 12, 13, 14, I put that blink on with your. What? You have to mount it right now.

I had, oh no, I had to mount it right on the final. I ain't taking that lick the bottom. I like yeah Yeah, I'm good. You listen as you get older you get by the year 10 and on you make business decisions absolutely Put that blink on here to another bound hey turn it up. No, I'm good. Hey, it's a Second one if we can't get second or one 31. Oh, yeah somebody's wrong something that late the ball game for them down Something like that. Okay, okay Hey, I got to a back in the day or two guys coming. Okay, you over here you over here. Okay, you see them

Go over the yeah I Think you the lesser of the danger. Let me get you. Let me get you. I'm going to get you. Back inside, that's a problem. You not a problem. But I'm really anxious to see Travis give it a go playing both sides. It's important where he goes on is very very very very very important where he goes

And I hope the team that drafts him understand his beliefs understands his wants and they use him in in that manner Because he's an exciting player, he's a generational talent, and they need to be able to use him in a manner so he's able to display that at the next level the same way he did at Colorado. I'm not so sure it's not more of a mental than a physical focus,

because you have to be on your A game all the time especially on defense because You know sometimes the wide receiver you're not getting the ball. So I ain't really got a focus I ain't saying throw me the ball. I'm laughing in progression But as a defensive player as a D as a corner You lie You have one slip oh Joe you hesitate a little bit You got a smell to be over here. Strike up the band.

That's it. And now you come in. Hey, you, hey, and what everybody do, I think you ever touch that one they do, Ocho. They look up and they jump. Yeah, that's you. That's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did that. We just saw that. Yeah, but you looking up there. Yeah, that's you. But I'm asking to see what he can do. He believes he can do it. Do I believe he can play every snap offense and defense? I don't. Do I think he can play one side and then they have packages?

I believe it's easier if he's a DB for them to install packages at the wire position. I believe that's easier, but let him try it. that's easier, but let him try it. Yeah. I like, I think you draft, you drafting him knowing that's what he wants to do. One of the reasons he went with time, time told him he would let him do it. I'll, I'll let you do whatever you can do. He showed time.

He could do it. He did it. He won the Heisman trophy. One of the great seasons of the wide receiver. He had what? 13, 14 hundred yards. A DB. He had a bunch of pass breakups. Had a force fumble. Key interceptions. Good tackle. Oh, he gonna come up and tackle too, man.

Give it a chance. Let's see what he can do. No, no problem whatsoever. Given, I think you gotta give, I think you have to give him that. Cause deep down, cause now he gonna feel some time away. Oh, yeah You already knew you already you're in this I do what I wanted before I got here I express my interest in it I've said it over and over and over countless times and you bring me and you draft me this high wherever it may be And then when I get here you tell me well, we don't think you you know how they play that game monk well we don't think you well we we think you're

better suited at come on that don't don't don't play that game I'm gonna tell me we love that opportunity so where you think he goes oh yeah oh man where you think travel I don't know Cleveland the Giants I don't know. Cleveland, the Giants. I don't know. Because listen, when you talk about Cleveland, they need a quarterback. When you talk about the Giants, they need a quarterback. So I don't think any of those two teams are not passing up on Chador or Ken Ward. Now, listen, somebody might come up from low and Listen, somebody might come up from low and surprise us on draft day and come and grab a quarterback early and then it frees up the doors from where else.

We keep forgetting, we're not even talking about Abdul Carter. Hell, who's to say he don't go first? You know, you just don't know, especially with those four. Ain't no telling how it's going to go, but I know he's going to go in the top five. I just don't know where and who knows what's gonna happen on draft day with some other team and some conversation that they might that they might feel a player is up there that might be a generational talent and a franchise changing player to them and they go up and snatch them and change the draft all the way up. According to Adam Shepter the Browns are more likely to pick Travis Hunter at two in the draft all the way up. According to Adam Schepter, the Browns are more likely

to pick Travis Hunter at two in the draft. He impressed Cleveland at his pro day. The Browns are exploring a potential take in Travis Hunter at two, then trading back into the first round to land Jalen Milrow. It's possible that Milrow could be picked around with their second pick, but it would be gambling and of the season with Kenny Pinkett at FQB1. Millrow was invited and he has accepted an invitation to the NFL draft.

You think is he, Millrow has a chance to go in the first round you think? That's what they're saying. I don't like that man. I don't like when they bring players in and have them sitting there like that all day and ain't no telling where you're going to go. It's not for certain you're going in the first round. They put the camera on you while everybody's getting picked. I don't like that. That's embarrassing to me man.

I would be cautious. Let me tell you why I'm conscious. I'm cautious because I watch Anthony Richardson and I watch a Supreme League guy that size run four or five, four or four, whatever he ran, jump out of the gym. He's a 51% completion guy in college. College, NFL, is harder to get completions than college. If you're 50 in college, you see he was 46, Richardson was 46. There are times I'm looking at Miro, I'm like, bro, what was that? Now I'm not saying that with some time, but how much time are you going to give it?

Cause you going to Cleveland, bro, they gonna need you to be at least by year two. You got to go. You gonna need to be ready to go. Got to go. Because Jimmy and Dee Haslam, they look, look, we bit the bullet on them. Deshawn, we gave up three first round picks. One of them was CJ Stroud. One of them was Will Anderson Jr.

And the other one was Tank Depp. That's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. One was offensive rookie of the year. The other was defensive rookie of the year. And they both go to the Pro Bowl. Now we bit the bullet on that. We signed off on the Sean, but you brought that to us.

Now we just gave what you call them. A hundred and what 40 million, 160 million, whatever we gave miles. Miles. We took travel. We traded back into the first round which means that we're probably gonna have to give up next year's first round. Okay? Listen, they, I mean listen, the Browns have been missing. Okay. The Browns have been missing for a long time on their first round picks. They've been missing for a long time. I

know one thing, they can't miss if they go with Travis on them You can't you can't miss No, I won't miss now. They missed they missed they missed the quarterbacks, but you're not gonna miss there So It's I'm ready for it to say I'm ready for to see how this thing play I'm trying I'm trying I'm tired of trying to play expert and like oh he's going here He's going there Cause you don't know. Like you said, somebody might come zooming up the draft board because somebody's like, oh, he ain't get selected.

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where they feel they're getting fair value in the return. I tried to tell you this, Ochoa. What? You didn't want to hear it? Whoa, whoa, whoa. You tried to tell me what? About Tyreex? They were getting tired of that... Whoa, whoa, whoa. You tried to tell me what? About Tyreek. They were getting tired of that. Oh, well, listen. I think Tyreek ain't slow.

He's pretty smart. If you know they tired of it and you keep on doing it, what does that tell you? He doing it on what? He doing it on what? You think he doing it on purpose? Absolutely. Absolutely. At this point. Absolutely. TikTok, you know, some on purpose? Absolutely. Absolutely. At this point. Absolutely.

Absolutely. TikTok, you know, some of the stuff you're doing. Well, he's the one that told you to talk about, oh, define that your team trying to trade him. You're the one at the last game of the season, you start by the P side, you got to go do his best. I don't like when people become a victim in their own story. Be a victim in someone else's story.

You can't be a victim in a story that you created. You created this. You wanted out of Kansas City a situation. Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He wanted to get paid. He wanted to get paid. That's all. He wanted to get paid. They were going to pay him, but you got to realize Tyreek had years left on the contract. Now when they came to him and they asked him, when he restructured, he said, no, I don't believe it. I signed the contract. Then the they came to him and they asked him when he restructured, he said, nah, I don't believe that I signed the contract. Then the next year, he wanted to redo his contract.

Even though he had said he had a year before, he signed the contract. I got no problem with that. You go to a guy that was injury prone, I want you to tell the people at home, how did Tua come into the league? He leapt into the league. Remember, he fractured his hip his last year. Yes, sir. He was injured prone in college

What they're not nearly as physical as they are to NFL. So what do you think is gonna happen? Oh Joe? He's gonna deal with some injuries here on at the next level That's what he's had to deal with. So now, and then you got, look, I get it. You know, you ain't, but you tried to sell us, you tried, ain't nobody believe that tour was on my home level. Not as accuracy, not as being able to throw, none of that. Okay, you want to hype your quarterback up,

you're like, hey, I believe in him, we get all of that. You played where I received position, I started where I received him in the tight end, I get it. I want to get my guy confident, let you know I believe in you. But I'm trying to figure out, Ocho, what is it? Like you said, his first year there, he was second in the league in receiving. The first, second year there, first year there, he was second in the league in receiving. The next year there, he was one of the few guys that's ever had 1,800 receiving yard. Last year, he was Nick. It got up to a bad start. It started the first one of the few guys that's ever had 1,800 receiving yard. Mm. Last year, he was Nick.

It got up to a bad start. It started the first game of the season on show, with the traffic stopping, so forth and so on. I don't really know what happened, but hey. Bro, I... Oh, Lord. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I just don't get these guys. Hey, listen. I don't kill them. You never know what's gonna happen. All that stuff is going on. You know, Tyreke is not happy. Obviously he's continuous to do what he does on social media, probably trying to

egg on a trade in that manner in a fun, entertaining way, you know, using TikTok. Then you have the draft coming up, hunk. Ain't no telling what's going to happen draft day. Ain't no telling. So, you know, some, some might happen there. You know, it changed things up. I'm just like, that's what's so exciting to me because you just don't know. Yeah. You just don't know. There's nobody for certain. You know what?

He was so great in college. He's absolutely going number one. You just don't know. You just don't know. Yeah. Who are you talking about going number one on? Man. Oh, you talking about. I understand. Yeah.

You just, you just, you don't know. It could be, listen, Tennessee need a quarterback, don't they? Yes. I mean, I don't know't know man ain't no telling. I think the thing is Ocho this what we see. Yeah. No matter how great you are they'll move your ass. Oh yes. And they'll suck because they're not gonna let you become bigger than the team. Not only bigger than team they won't let you become bigger than the game itself No No Because Kansas City they traded Tyree and went to three straight. Yeah, well, but this they weren't you got to understand

Why they went to three they got they got them they got that special dude over there, too So they got this so what does that tell you? Why receivers ain't doing nothing without what? No matter who he is Chyrie had 18 under yards. Waddle had another 1200. Did they win a playoff game? I was just I was I was just talking about the Super Bowl factor, but I got you I know you better have that guy to pull that tricker. Oh, yeah He would have you would have him

Oh, yeah. You better have him. It's F-O. Because think about it. All those years, New England, how many promo wire receivers they had? If you take Randy Moss out of the equation, Wes Welker, I think Troy Brown went to one. But I don't think Troy, I could be wrong. I don't know if Troy went with Brady. I think he went maybe a year before Brady.

Maybe I'm wrong. But if you go back and study it, they have a whole lot of Pro Bowl wide receivers. That's why people really fell in love with Tom. They're like, they thinking all these, going to all these silver bowls and they got all these stuff, wide receiver here, wide receiver here, wide receiver over there, pro bowl, all pro.

And he doing that. You better have that guy. It makes a difference. There's a reason they make the big bucks. It makes a big difference. He's the foundation. If you get him Ocho, I can can build, if I got a solid foundation, I can put whatever I want on it. If I got a great foundation,

I can put a 20,000 square foot home, or I can put a thousand square foot home. My foundation solid and it can hold it all. But foundation is so important in all aspects of life. It is. Well, you just said a word there and don't even know you said it. I get Gronk was there but y'all do realize that Brady went to how many

Subos before Gronk around? Don't do that. Don't minimize that man. Gronk is a Gronk for me is one of the two best tight ends. Some people got Gronk one, some people got Kelsey. I got Kelsey. Hey, I'll debate you. Look at the regular season, look at the post season, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. But Tom, come on now. All I know is Deon Branch one, Super Libby.

Yeah. He went to Seattle and we never heard from him. David Patton. Y'all know where David Patton went after he left New England? Go back and look at the receivers that he had early in his career. Yes, he has them bored. When they left New England, did you ever hear from them again? He take it undrafted. Y'all do realize Wes Welker was an undrafted guy.

Y'all do realize Edelman was a seventh round guy. What round did Amandola get drafted in? Because I think he went to the Rams first, Ocho. I think Amandola was with the Rams first, if I'm not mistaken. That man was really turning. Look, they were good players, but I don't know if they're gonna be what they became.

Without being there. Wow. So he was an undrafted creation. Oh, Amandola. Hey, Amandola was nice too, huh? He was the Cowboys, then the Eagles,

then the Rams. He was nice. David Gibbons. Do y'all remember what David Gibbons went once he left New England? What about David Patton? Dion Branch was a Super Bowl MVP. He went to Seattle. Did y'all ever hear from him again? Yeah, Edelman was a quarterback. Oh yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't say. Yeah. I just look, I don't, oh Joe, uh, uh, 7-11, Chris, Chris Hogan, your guy.

Oh, always open, Buffalo middles. Yeah, 7-11. Yeah, him with the Dolphins. When he undrafted, he was like a lacrosse or a field hockey player or something. Yeah, yeah, you can end with the Dolphins what he earned draft He was like a lacrosse or field hockey players. Hey, he was nice He was nice He was that what he got with Brady. He was nice Goddamn Chris Hogan, that's a good one

You know big discourse was created over the weekend when draft expert tweeted lots of double taps and hitches from Shadoor today. NFL defenders closed windows quickly. This was a concerning workout. Andre Sisco said, boy better stop patting that ball. We breaking all that early. But Darius Slayton jumped in and said, I promise he can pat the ball just fine if a DB was so good at breaking on the ball and pass They'd have eight plus picks a year same guys that follow the two-man dagger Concept and give up digs in 30 long every season all season long talking about boy pat the ball. What a joke I said the exact same thing That's it. Yeah, same thing. What?

All that all that all these all the expert the DB show all they packed no back They go drive patting on that, they're going to drive on that. Man, listen, they're not driving on nothing. Man, stop playing. This is a timing game. It's always been a timing game. It always has been. Quarterbacks have been patting the ball since the beginning of time. It's a part of rhythm.

It's a part of rhythm throwing as well. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you pat, sometimes you don't. Sometimes the pat is for the timing of the actual throw, waiting for the receiver to get open. It's a part of the rhythm when you're playing. When John Elway throw that skinny route, right? Yeah. He hit that seven, when you hit that seven step, the ball is gone. Yes. Now play like that. There's no hitch and there's no pat because the ball is coming out all the time. Right. You got a dig route. You got a curve route. There's a pat on the ball. If he gets to that fifth step, if you're not at your break yet. It just is. On the corner route, the deep ball.

When you hit that seven step you got play action there's a hit you take it you taking five with a hitch in my point exactly whoever that was but one we talk about we talk about in shorts and we talk about on air turn on the goddamn film watch all 32 NFL quarterbacks on drop back passes. You'll see all of them take hitches. You'll see all of them pat the ball. It's a part of the game.

It always has been. That's called nitpicking, trying to find something wrong to say. And then you loud and wrong. You loud and wrong. Well, hopefully everybody go get their chance to see. But at this point in juncture, everybody is trying to find fault. Oh, something. Always. You know, he's getting his head around too quick before the break.

DB's going to take key on that. He's not dropping his hips. He's doing this. He's tilting the route. He's leaning dropping his hips. He's doing this. He's tilting the route. He's leaning to the route. As the DB, you know, I get it. I get it. I get it. Just for me, you hope like, oh, the way I look at it, game film is the most important. Very. Now, if I'm looking at a game, if I'm looking at a guy's game tape, I'm watching. Now, if

he looks fast, when he goes to the compound, I hope he runs fast. I hope he's quick. I hope he jumps high. So now that cooperates what I've seen on tape. Now, if there's something that I see on tape that I don't see when he tests, I got to go back and evaluate,

okay, did I miss something, Ocho? What am I missing? Then, because at the end of the day, I still believe tape is the most important. And I give you a prime example. Ozzy, he took Terrell Suggs. Terrell Suggs ran four eight with track spikes and a jock. I say, Ozzy, how you take this man with a top ten pick and he ran for weight

And he looked me damn by turn on the film or somebody got them 24 sacks Somebody got the 24 sec he's a son you watching bend the edge You understand quick, okay Yeah Okay, okay, okay and look You understand quick. I said, OK. Yeah. OK, OK, OK. And look, why am I arguing with Ozzy? Look at the Hall of Famers. He's got Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Ed Reed. Suggs going to be a Hall of Famer.

Yeah. Lamar Jackson is going to be a Hall of Famer. Marsha Yande is going to be a Hall of Famer. So I mean, what do we do here? At the end of the day, watch the tape. What do you see on tape? Are there some things? Everybody has things that are correct. Y'all make it seem like Peyton and Tom and everybody.

There's something you can get better at. But to say a guy is flawless is just not true. No, not at all. Not at all. You can, listen, you can break down people's tape right now. You can break down people's tape right now that are in the league that are some of the best at their positions right now. And you can find flaws in their game. Absolutely. You can find, all you have to do is nitpick. You can nitpick, you can nitpick on any and everybody. There is always something to continue to work on

no matter how long you've been playing this game because you'll never be perfect. No matter how much you strive for, you strive for perfection, you will always fall short because you're human. And there will always be human error in everything that you do. So I listen, I understand what the guy was saying

with the scout, whoever tweeted that out. I don't think they really understand that the game of football in general, before making that general statement, when all quarterbacks do this, they all do, based on the play, based on the length of the route. I mean, it made no sense. It was so funny to see Micah going back and forth

and Darius Slayton talking trash. That was funny. And most of the time the quarterback, they have the ball, how many times you see the quarterback bring the ball up with one hand and throw it? They bring the ball up here like this, here on Chose. Exactly, and then that rhythm throw, it's a pack and let it go.

Yes. A pack and let it go. Now, just to keep the timing and continuity of the play going. Like, you know, smoke route, a slant, quick out, you can't hit you like that. Damn sure going the other way. It's coming out. It's coming out right away.

Yeah, and it better be early and outside too. Yes. Yes. You're absolutely right, because when you throw it one, two, three, that ball's got to go. Because they're driving on that now. Yeah, and the funny thing about it, think about it, we talk about the good DBs in NFL,

them first three steps, and they not even looking at the receiver, they looking at the quarterback. Exactly. They looking at the quarterback. So once that arm is gone, that's why ball placing is so important, cause the good DBs are not even looking at the receiver

until after that fourth or fifth step That's how you that's how we get them on the sluggo. Can you do this? Oh, yeah guys in the backfield playing around Oh And now they throw those your hands or they get the stuff the starter go cuz you went and he drop is here And the quarterback does that yeah Hey as a DB when they double move you you better have hell of a hips. Yeah. Listen, hey, as a DB, when they double move you, you better have hell of a hips and transition. Oh yeah, nah, just tackle it. Beautiful hips and we have a transition.

Just tackle it. Just tackle it. Because what he's gonna do is that he know once you know he be, you start to come up, he's gonna get outside. He's gonna get outside your yeah, so you might would just say if you're with it I'm not giving I'm not giving up anything. I'm not getting up anything cheaper deep, right? But I thought you through look

I don't really take anything from anybody throwing the ball and shorts and say no That's not how you play the game of football, right? What did the guy, when you watch the guy in shorts, no, is he Lamar Jackson as far as athleticism? No. Does he have a Patrick Mahomes arm? No. But he has an arm that's plenty good enough. Are you telling me that Tom Brady, are you telling me Peyton Manning, are you telling

me Philip Rilliver, are you telling me Drew Brees are more athletic than Shadour? No, they're not. No. And they got it done. I'm not saying he's going to be any of those guys, but we're talking about just athleticism. I mean, there ain't no guy, I mean, is he accurate? Could I be like, hold on, he's not just accurate. He's insanely accurate.

Exactly. Insanely can throw every ball and every ball he throws is catchable Yeah, they got some receivers. I mean something they got some quarterbacks out there, you know throughout the years now They've thrown a very difficult ball to catch. I agree a lot number four who your brother played for You know tearing people hands up splitting the web by their fingers. You know, I mean, he was a gunslinger. That's what he was known for. But Shidori is extremely accurate. He does a great job of throwing, has great anticipatory skills. Great job of throwing guys open. That's the difference between college and the NFL. Even when you think the guy isn't open, you throw him open.

Guys ain't gonna be running or having no five and 10 and three yard separation in the NFL. Unless there's a blown coverage, the guy falls down or something. But most of the time, you're gonna have to fit a ball into a tight window. And also, something he doesn't get credit for. We always bring up him not being a dual threat, not being able to run But his pocket presence his pocket has great pocket presence in his ability in short area quickness to be able to extend plays Not get away from people like Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen, but extend plays to make throws downfield He's been he's very good at that

especially if you if you watch obviously we watched Colorado all last, and we understand that despite all the sacks he took, because, let's see, we know one of the issues, obviously with him was their own line. His line wasn't very good. Yeah. And there ain't nowhere around it, Ochoa, his offensive line wasn't very good. It's not like we're breaking news.

You watch the game, and there's a time that he's gonna have to know, he's gonna have to throw the ball away. Yeah. You have to throw, have to throw the ball away. Yeah. You have to throw, you just throw the ball away. You live to see another day. You don't want to take that unnecessary punishment and you don't want to take your team out of

field goal range or you don't want to make it third and long or second along. Hey, throw the ball away, live to see another day. And that comes with maturity. I mean, the guy's only what? 21, 22 years of age, 22 years of age. Yeah. So it takes time and he'll get better. The Peyton Manning that you saw, the great quarterbacks that you saw,

the rookie season, there weren't that the midway through and at the tail end of their career, they were, they were better. Right. You get better. You learn more. Once you come to the NFL, you start studying tape, you start watching, you pick up things and you, you self-evaluate yourself. Right.

That's what the really great ones do. They are valued. They self-evaluate yourself. Right. That's what the really great ones do. And they self-evaluate themselves like, damn, that's why that mofo covered me. Damn, I tipped off this route. But think about the names that you just said, the Tom Brady's, the Peyton Manys when they first started, where their years weren't exceptional as opposed to how they ended up. Yeah. Who's to say, should do it or not go somewhere, right?

You see how he talked in that press where he said, whoever's serious about me and won the franchise changing quarterback, that's who needs to sign me. Who says he doesn't come in and have a season like CJ Shroud did, depending on where he goes? Who say he doesn't come and have a season like Jaden Daniels did with the Commandos, depending on where he goes?

But what if he has that belief, where his presence alone hides everything else around him? Who the hell would J. Dave and go to the commanders and turn the franchise around just like that in six months? See, they could go to Houston and turn the Texas around in six months. Yep.

Come on, man. in six months. Yep. Come on, man. Ain't no telling what's gonna happen. But hey, let's just give him an opportunity. Let's see where he goes. Hopefully go someplace and have a good offensive coordinator, good head coach, have great talent around him him because if you go back and look, Ocho, what did CJ have around him?

Nicole Collins, Tank Dale. Yeah. Had Dalton Shultz. Yeah. Nice tight end. Look at Jane Daniels. Hey, they had Zach Erds. They had Terry, scary Terry McLaurin. Uh-huh. Well, listen, I like that you just broke that down. Now look at the places that he had the chance to go to. We got the Browns, right? We got Njoku. We got my young. Jerry Judy. We got Jerry Judy.

We got Mariah Runner. I'm not sure who the number two is. Who's the number two receive? I forget the guy I know you talking about. He was okay. But you know, once they moved on from Amari, I forget the guy's name. He took over, I can't remember, I can't remember myself.

But then, okay, let's say it's not Cleveland. Let's say the Giants. You got Malik Nablus. Yep. And I think Slayton is still there too, right? You got Slayton, who would just argue with Michael Parsons. Yep. You know, come on, come on now.

Come on now. We can work with that. I just say the thing is that sometimes we have false perceptions that we think the guy coming in should be a finished product and that's the best he's gonna be. Nah. And they don't realize that these guys

have an opportunity to get better. That's not the best, that shouldn't's the best he's gonna be. And they don't realize that these guys have an opportunity to get better. That's not the best, that shouldn't be the best that they are. They should incrementally get better. And you work at it, you study, you put the time in, good things normally happen. So, what is Elijah Moore? Oh, Elijah Moore, hey, Elijah Moore oh Elijah Moore hey Elijah I think they got him Oh Joe for Elijah more for Clemson wait a you can run some routes now you got

the cardinals huh Cedric Tillman where did Cedric Tillman come from said Tillman I played with a guy named Cedric Tillman. Where did Cedric Tillman come from? Cedric Tillman. I played with a guy named Cedric Tillman. We went to Alcorn State. Hey, I know Elijah Moore is, well he can run some routes, boy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's a smaller guy, good in the slot. But you know Jerry Judy is tremendous in that slot. Jerry Judy, I was happy for Jerry. Yeah, he had a hell of a season, boy. Because look, he wasn't getting the opportunities. They didn't have the quarterback. He grew frustrated. I think the thing is, like, when you,

it's easy when you're a young receiver, oh, chill, to get down. Cause the fans start booing you, coaches pull you, playing time, all of a sudden. You normally play a 45 plays, you play a 20. Well, how the hell do you expect me to show you something in 20 plays when at least five of those, the quarterbacks gonna get flushed

Yeah Another another five. I'm not the number one option. I might be I might not even be the second option I might be third option right in second and two of those gonna be screens He gonna get sacked on another three So how the hell you expect me to do something with 20 plays and I'm really only involved in about seven of them Hmm something with 20 plays and I'm really only involved in about seven of them. Hey, I'm excited. Matt can't wait for football season. When is the draft?

The draft next week. Huh? Yeah, he was there. He was there last year. Elijah Moore, he's not there anymore. He was there last year. Cause I remember him catching a couple of passes against the Broncos. That's what the name.

Um, but. Okay. catching a couple of passes against the Broncos. That's what a name, but. Okay, Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman, and some guy named Michael Woods, obviously in Joke Who's there. Yeah, okay. Well, hell, we could work with that too. We good, we good. We could work with that.

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It was a very special moment for us. It's been 15 years for me in this career. Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level. Listen to Hasta Wajo on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Former Atlanta Falcons wide receiver, Julio Jones, one of the best players in franchise history, announced his retirement from the NFL. Jones, a seven time Pro Bowl selection and two time first team All-Pro selection during his 13 NFL seasons. He twice led the NFL in receiving yards 2015-2018.

And he's the Falcons' all-time leader in receptions 848, receiving yards 12,896, his 60 receiving touchdowns marked second in Falcons history behind Roddy White. How will you, Ocho, remember Julio? Well, Julio Jones, one of the best to ever play this game. Now, now we talk, we talk about top five. We talk about top.

Listen, might be, might be top five. Honestly, you come out of Alabama, man, one of the greatest ever. I enjoy watching Julio play somebody. It's so funny, right? Watching Julio Jones play, there's a young fella down there in Ohio State that's from Miami who looks just like him. Jeremiah Smith.

Oh yeah, Jeremiah Smith who might be the second coming of Julio Jones. But man, Julio Julio was awesome to watch, man, throughout his entire career. Some of the things he could do on the field. That 300-yard game he had against the Carolina Panthers was unbelievable. When he snatched that goddamn ball off the top of Luke Kweekley's head that time. When he snapped that ball away from Malcolm Butler in the end zone for that touch. Man, there are some great highlights of Julio Jones. Julio, I know you're

going to see this, boy. I've always been a fan of yours. I've always showed you your love and gave you your flowers while you was actually still playing. I'm still a fan to this day. You gonna get you that gold jacket because you definitely a Hall of Famer. And you top five in my book. I would have to shuffle the five around a little bit, but you belong in it. I salute you on a great career.

And that's it. He was nice. Consummate Pro had a great career. I wish he could have finished his career in Atlanta. You know bouncing around. He went to where? He went to, I think he went to Tennessee after he left that right? Yeah he went to Tennessee, to Tampa, and he went to New England. No, Philly. Yeah. Yeah. Man, he had a...

Man, if only they could have closed out that Super Bowl. That 28-3 game? And he had an amazing catch that had him at field goal range. On the sideline, right? On the sideline? Yep. Woohoo! amazing catch that had him in field goal range. On the sideline, right? On the sideline? Yep. Woo hoo!

Hey! Steve Bichotti, owner of the Ravens, said he's ready for his team to break through the ceiling and make it to the biggest game of the year. Bichotti said he doesn't like waiting 12 years, and he thinks impatience is good for you when it comes to competing for titles. He also made it clear, I want to win now. We've got a window with Lamar.

I know what we can do. I know that we work to put ourselves in position to win. We all get credit for that. That's all you can do. I hate it that every year you just have to start back over again. But you know what? This is not for the meek.

The cheese bills have ended. The Ravens season last year. What will be different this year, Ocho? I mean, listen, it all comes down to two things. Turnovers. That's all it comes down to. In those games, when they've lost, even though they've been able to overcome,

Lamar's been able to overcome some of the turnovers, the early turnovers in the game, late in the game. Obviously we know how it ended with Andrew dropping the ball and have an opportunity to tie the game. Not knowing what would happen going into the second half or overtime at that point. But still, listen about him saying, Bashti in general saying he's impatient,

he wants to win now. As long as you have number eight at the helm, as long as you have number eight at the helm, you're gonna always have a chance. Every time, there are a few quarterbacks in the league, there are 32 teams. There may be five or six quarterbacks that are going to be in contention every single year.

You can have a goddamn blind zone. I guarantee they will be in the playoffs. The Baltimore Ravens is one of them. As long as number eight is upright, alive and well, you got a shot every time. Now all you have to do is just finish it off in the postseason. That's it.

Eliminate the turnovers. That's been your Achilles heel so far once you made it. So they're going to be all right. They're going to be all right. He had nothing to worry about, just the simple fact that the AFC North is running through Cincinnati. That's the only problem.

No they. No. Ocho, check this out. Lamar Jackson is challenging NASCAR legend Dale R. Hart Jr. from the number 8 trademark. Lamar says it's too close to Era 8 brand name. Jackson filed a similar trademark opposition to Troy Aikman in 2024 and they're still battling. Ojo, Lamar vs. Dale Jr. Who owns the number eight? Oh man, listen, Dale Jr., we talk about an icon.

We talk about an icon in the racing world, someone that's been around for a very long time. Listen, Lamar Jackson still has a ways to go. He's an icon in his own right. And what he's doing down in Baltimore, as a quarterback in general, he's continuing to cement his legacy. At some point, once he gets that ring, he's gonna solidify that.

Still one of the all-time greats right now. But that A that Earnhardt, hey, Unc, Dale, it is different. I mean, it's so hard. That A represents something else that's, it's iconic. That last name alone, Unc. I mean, when it comes to a number, the only number that's anonymous is 23. Yeah, yeah.

Is 23. That's really the only number that's synonymous with you. Look, I understand that David retired, you know, uh, uh, magic was 33 in college, but Kareem had 33. And so he slid to 32 and boom, Shaq was 30. What was Shaq? Shaq was 32 in Orlando, but he ended up going to 34. So I get it. But when you think of numbers, Orlando, but he ended up going to 34. So I get it. But when you think of numbers,

yeah, it's gonna be hard. I mean, I think Troy Aigman got a beer called, I think he has a beer called eight or something. If I'm not mistaken, I think he does. Yeah, I think he has a beer. I think, I think, I think, don't quote me on that, don't you, but I think I was reading something that he has a beer called eight.

Uh, you know what? Hell I got my phone here. I look it up. I, it's E I G T H yes. He does have a beer called eight. Yeah. Yep. Low carb, low calorie.

I like it. It is, you know, it's some, it's, it's certain players on, like when you see their number, when you see a certain number, a certain player resonates with that number regardless of what team, regardless of the color of her jersey, you know, I mean, I ain't trying to too mow and home. Yeah. But when you see, when you see 85, you know, for the, for the most part.

I think Isaac Curtis. Resonates. Oh, that's you oh I'm just saying I am I'm with you right when you see that 12, you know, it resonates with No, Tom Brady when you see 15 for the for the most part, even though he's still playing You know you think of passion. Yeah Or you like a in 99, you know what 99 is the great one? Gretzky. Oh

The great one. Oh, wait, we ain't listen as great as he is. Oh betcha Oh bestie There's only three goals away. You know that I don't matter 3 3 3. Oh, yeah, but hey, yeah great. Well when he get nine heart trophies in a row talk to me. Yeah, okay Hey speak I think I'll be I think I'll be where Oh vexing where a to Lamar Jackson has Lamar Jackson one of those players as he continues to play and play well throughout his career whether he wins Whether he wrink wins a ring right not that number eight can resonate with him when he's when he's gone and done playing that number eight can also Resonate yeah and remembering him. Yeah, you know there's a lot look we're not saying anything But the first time is somebody say 99. I'm thinking Gretzky. Somebody say give me the famous 99

I'm gonna thank Gretzky now you want to say if you're a Yankee fan you want to say Aaron George Are you a Bucks fan? I know sap sap my boy sap. Yeah, but come on now Come on now. 99. Yeah. Hold on, I thought Dale Jr. was 88. How did he get? Why does Dale want, I thought Dale Jr. drove the 88 car? 88 is too close to eight?

Ha ha ha ha ha. Hold on. Well, hold on. Lamar says era 88 is too close to era 8? Oh, maybe the spelling, maybe the way it's spelled. I mean, I can't see it in front of me, you know, for context purposes. I mean, he says E-R-A-E-R-A-8. Era 8. Oh, okay, okay. 80, I don't know, but I don't know.

That's a stretch there. It's kinda close. Yeah, it's kinda close. But usually when you trademark something, you want it to stand on its own side itself. And that, that, that, that, those two, it kinda coincides a little bit. And it's too similar.

Too similar. Hold on, let me see what, I gotta look this up JoJo. Cause this... I know his dad was the number three. Oh yeah. The legend. Oh yeah. The legend. No, he drove 88 and he drove eight. Mm-hmm. I think the 88 car was all white. I'm not sure who the sponsor was.

I remember it was all white. I can't remember who the sponsors were at the time. You know, I done been to a few NASCAR races, huh? You been to NASCAR races, folk? You sat outside? Listen, that's one of the best dates when you first meet somebody and you wanna do something different,

something that obviously, who the woman you're dating has never experienced, take it to a NASCAR race and sit outside. Man, they don't like that. I don't know if they can take that noise, Ocho. Hey, hey, hey, um, it's different. But put your earplugs in if that's the problem. It's different, it's different, it's fun.

Get you a hot dog, get you a beer. Obviously, I don't drink. I had my coconut, I got my hot dog, you know, my little popcorn. Sat there, great conversation. You know, watch the cars going. But that's neither here nor there. But it's just a great date. anybody in the chat that that one idea on what it takes somebody that they just met

somebody that you already know NASCAR race If she can't sit there with you, she don't deserve nothing. None of the finer things in life if she don't like NASCAR Dale has trademark eight, not 88. Okay. So he tried to, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't know. Troy has trademark eight and spelled out. I mean numbers are hard to trademark, Ojo.

Because they're like, well, who they belong to? You ain't created. Yeah. It's hard to trademark a number. I mean slogans like the three P Pat Riley owns that. When he coined the phrase, he got copyrighted. Yeah. Luke.

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