Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Tyreek Hill CUT by the DOLPHINS + Aaron Rodgers LIKELY to RETURN to Steelers + NFL RANKS Super Bowl WINDOWS + Jalen Hurts MOST HATED PLAYER in NFL

Episode Date: February 17, 2026

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cap hit in 2026, which have given him the highest cap number amongst non-quarterbacks coming into the season. The decision leaves Miami $28.2 million in dead money, but also creates almost $23 million. in cap space by releasing Hill now. Ojo, which team is the best landing spot for Tyreek, the Chiefs, the Bills, or the Chargers? I think Tyreek's next move has to be his best move. Obviously, coming off of injury, going to a team where he's going to be utilized in the correct way.

I think the bills would be a nice place for him. Obviously, I mean, you have Shakur, who was somewhat in that same position and being in the slot, but Tyreek being able to play on the outside, I like the chiefs. The chiefs also being able to use him, you know, the correct way. And it all comes down to how healthy is he going to be when he's recovered, you know, even once he goes to rehab.

Even a Tyreeke Hill that's not as fast as he once was is probably still fast than everybody else. I think that's what's going to come down to. I think the dolphins might have moved on a little too fast, honestly. Just in my own personal opinion, they could have restructured and found a way to get that salary, a little bit lower with him coming off their injury but to let a player of his magnitude go which is the staple of your offense obviously having A-chan having

having waterless well I don't think they should have let him go that's just my personal opinion obviously being 32 and coming off injury you know how this video serious injury yeah yes that isn't just no ACL he tore a lot of ligament

and he broke his tibia yeah I understand but rehab the resources, the access to some of the methods he has to get himself back to where he once was, I think that the chances of him coming back and being the Tyreek of Ovald is possible. And even if he's not the same Tyreek of Old, it will still be better than hit damn there, 98% of the receivers in the NFL if he's used correctly. Well, the right, it was on the roll. I'm surprised that it moved on the offseason.

After what had transpired the last game, Orchow, we talked about this. The one thing you can't do as a player, players will forget. of a lot, but you can't leave him out to dry. You can't quit on them. When things are going bad, that's when your best players. That's when I need Ocho to show up and be his best. I understand Ocho, we're not going to the playoffs. I understand Ocho, you're not going to get your customary 90 catches, 1,300 yards. But don't quit on me. Don't be a guy that when things are going good, they go great. And when they go bad, they go terribly, horribly wrong. And so I thought they would move on in the off season because I knew he would never have the same trust in that locker

room that he once had. Right. Go ahead, don't you? Can I tell you why they didn't move on? They didn't move on because they understood his value. They understood his true value despite him giving up, despite him quitting in that previous season. We can't let someone like this go. Look at the numbers he put up.

Look what he does for us offensively. He makes everyone else job around him that much easier because we have to, everyone has to focus on him in game. So it opens up everything else. So of course they were going to let him go. But now that he's injured, now that he's hurt, and it's kind of up in the air, you don't know what you're going to get.

Once he's back healthy, you know what? Now we can let him go. But you'll never find another one. Let me ask your question. You'll never find another player like that. Did they make the playoffs with he? They can miss the playoffs without it. I mean, we can say that about a lot of players on a lot of things.

But at $51 million, and I told you that since, oh, no, you know you wouldn't get 51. You would restructure that, though. on you would have restructured that. I would have moved on, Ocho, because he's not going to be the same guy in the locker room. They're not going to believe in him. The coaches staff don't believe in him.

There's a reason they didn't give him to see again. There's a reason, Ocho, you know that. You've got to do something really, really bad, something really egregious for you to be a captain one year, him being the player that he is, and then all of a sudden he's not the captain. Because nobody's going to let, bro, how are you to captain? You quit.

All people. If I give Ocho to C, I don't get, if my leg broke, hey, doc, what you think? It's broke, Ocho. Can you tape it up? Can I still go? Can I run a stop?

You're going to do everything you possibly can because you understand the importance of that C. You understand the importance of that leadership and the guys look to you. Was that transpired? I said it's never going to be the same. You know that? I know that.

Everybody knows that. Now, people try to make it all of you old school. I'm telling you. And quitting is the worst thing that you can do in a team game. Because if you by yourself, you're a golf or a tennis player, who can't if you quit? You withdraw, you withdraw. Oh, you got an injury and you can't continue? Okay.

No, who is that? Who is that? Somebody had a. Oh, Djokovic was playing somebody in the semifinals. And the guy, he was up two sets to love. and he had to withdraw because he had an injury. Okay. Injury, he couldn't continue.

But as a team, and the thing was, Ocho, he was healthy. And one of the guys, and it got out that, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, waddle asked him, hey, reek, you done? You can't. The problem is, Ocho, what you have if you restructure at what number. Because he's going to deem it different. First of all, he's going to deem it disrespectful that you're, you're cutting his pay based on what he's done. So now what is the number that you and the team?

That's comfortable. Right. It's looking to be here. Tyreek and his representative are looking to be here. Can we find somewhere in the middle? Yeah. I mean, obviously at some point, I'm not sure when it's going to be. You're going to see Tyreek Hill post videos showing how healthy he is.

You're going to see him running routes, lateral movement, being able to accelerate, being able to stop, being able to transition and do some of the things he once was able to do. I think once those videos are posted on social media, then you're going to understand, okay, he's back. He's back. He might not be Tyreek of old, but even the same Tyreek of old, even if he loses the step, he's still faster and almost better than 98% of those that play his exact position. A lot of people, they mistake and allow the off-field stuff to kind of camouflage what he's done on the field. Right now, if he was the try today, he's a Hall of Famer.

If Tyreek Hill was never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot Hall of Famer. For those who don't know and probably said, Ocho, shut the hell up. We didn't get away from that first ballot. After they put T.O. and Coach Belichickie. I understand. I understand because they allow all this stuff to overshadow what players have done on the field. Look at what he's done on the field.

Look at his numbers to date. And obviously knowing Tyreek being 32 as fast as he is, he's probably not going to slow down anytime soon, based on the way we've seen players come back from even gruesome injuries like this, I think he's going to be all right. But I feel he's a Hall of Famer based on what he's done thus far to date in the NFL. I think the thing is also Ocho, I think he should take his time. I think he had this injury. I think he did it in week four.

So he's about five months into his surgery. Excuse me, rehab. He should be in no rush. You said his next move should be his best move. It's got to be a best one. I agree. Because the one thing, okay, he left voluntarily, Kansas City to go to Miami. Miami, he doesn't leave under the same circumstances.

The last thing you want to happen, Ocho, is you go somewhere and then after a year, they move on. So now what's the, what's the thing? He ain't the same player. So you start to bounce. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Now they ping pong. And that's the last thing they want because, like you said, he's coming off a gruesome injury, and he's 32.

Yeah. I'll tell you what. You know, he was running for three at 31. So yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. I don't know if we've ever seen a player this fast, have this gruesome of an injury. So we really don't know what he's going to be when he gets back because that's a lot of down force.

That's a lot of deceleration and acceleration. If he can still excel, can he still get in and out of those breaks with the quickness? Can he still put fear? Hey. Go ahead. Can he still put fear? Hold on. Go ahead.

Now, Fat, fat. Come here. All right, go here. No, I was just, I think that's the biggest thing. We've never seen a player with this kind of speed

to have this kind of gruesome injury because the acceleration and the deceleration. Because you may, hey, the faster you go, because normally guys that run really fast, hey, they have to throw that blank on there. To get ended out of the brakes. That's not what Tyreek does.

He can decelrate and decelerate with the, in the same, but it's going to be very, very interesting to see. But I would take my time. I'm in no rush. I'm Tyreek. My resume speaks for itself. Yes. And they're going to ask him.

You know they're going to bring him in. They're going to ask him what happened in that situation. They always do. They always do. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. understanding knowing what it can do.

It's about moving forward. I don't see them rehashing the past because the past is not going to help what you're trying to do and what he can do in helping a team right now in trying to reach their end goal, especially the Kansas City Chiefs. Based on, yes, based on, huh? Based on them missing the playoff last year

and having struggles at that position, I think they'll be happy to bring them back, especially with Eric B. enemy knowing how to use them the right way. Let me ask you a question. And chat, y'all can chime in. In a regular job, get fired of your regular job and you go to a new job, they ask you what happened in the old job,

don't you? You know what? I like it, but it's a different environment with different leaders where he doesn't have to be that main one. You got, you got my homes, you got some of those other fellas over there.

When you got the coach Belichick, what did the coach Belichick asked you? Oh, he didn't ask me nothing. I know what he did say. What did he? Listen, welcome,

welcome, welcome to the, to New England. You know you're going to have to change who you are to be here. So, but you don't think, But you don't think if we go to a new team, they're not going to ask him anything about what transpired. He's already been there.

And he's already been there, honk. He's already been there. He's already been there. In Kansas City before. I get Kansas City. Kansas City, no, look, Kansas City saw some of the red flags. If he goes, if he goes somewhere else beyond that. But what if he doesn't go to Kansas City?

What if he goes to the Georgia? I'm not saying going to a familiar situation. Right. They knew, they took Tyreek knowing what had transpired. beforehand. So they have an understanding of who Tyree is. But San Diego, excuse me, San Diego, LA, the charges don't. Right.

Buffalo does not. Maybe any other teams does not. So I need to get a sense. I need to get a feel to make sure this situation doesn't arise again. Go ahead, don't you? Right. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we have any issues.

Zunk, obviously the all field stuff, it overshadowed what he's done on the field. No, that was on the field. That wasn't out the field. I look. I know, I know. I don't think of. The kids. I don't care nothing about hopefully, hopefully. Yeah. Allegations about the dev, uh, a, uh, a DV isn't true. I hope the kids, the kids, hey, that happened. I don't, I don't care. I don't care if he got a baby to one baby mama two baby mom. They ain't got nothing to do. I don't care about that. But what we're, I'm only talking about what transpired the last game with the regular season when

and he was fully healthy. Yeah. That's it. And I'm not, chat, and I don't want you to talk. Okay. I'm not trying to minimize it.

I'm just saying, right, we're talking about because all that, and they might even ask him about that. Yeah. But I'm talking about on the field play. That's what Ocho and I are discussing. Yes, DV is bad.

And so I'm not trying to, because y'all know you're going to try to parse words and it will clip it and say, oh, doesn't care. I do care. Yeah. I'm not asking him about that because I can read and I'm going to ask him, who knows, maybe they call, maybe they call her.

I don't know. Maybe they get the police report and deduce what they can from that. All I'm saying is what transpired the last game of the regular season a year and a half ago. That's what's going to be the major concern for teams, all the teams, maybe not Kansas City because they know who Riki is. Andy is very familiar with him, Brett Beach is familiar with him. Obviously, E.B. is familiar with him. Kelsey, my homes, everybody. I saw Chris Jones, Cheetah, had the clock.

Yes. Yes. So, but I'm just saying, I think in a situation like that, Ocho, you get asked those questions. Because it'd be, you know, a great person to be had on tonight would be asked T.O. Because Tio went from San Fran. He went to Philly, from Philly to Dallas, Dallas to, so did they ask you anything about what transpired at the pre-Ewe?

just stops. Right. I mean, you know, it's possible as possibly they can. I'm sure there'd be an easy question that he won't have a problem answering. Obviously, being a player, you know how you can get frustrated, but there's certain things you really can do,

especially wearing that seal on your chest, and it got to him. In the moment, he was upset. I'm not sure what was going on. I can't remember that previous game of who they were playing, but he was frustrated, especially offensive because he wasn't being able to,

he wouldn't be used the way he felt he should. Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, it's the first time and maybe since his rookie year that he didn't get a thousand yards. You know you, as a wire receiver, you measure your success by 1,000 yards. Let me get that 1,000 and then I'll deal with it. Hey, I might only have 50 catcher, but if I got 50 catching for 1,000 yards, that's 20 yards.

I'm good. I'm Gucci. Yeah, I'm good. Yes. And so I think that might have played a part in it. And when you're at that level, You see all these young guys. You see what Chase doing.

You see it what Jedd'ah's doing. You see it. Ocho, as we start to get older, we see those young dogs coming. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Man, pretty soon, I'm gonna have to get my ass on a damn porch. I can't even run with him no more.

Yeah. Yeah. We had an old dog when I was growing up, Ocho. Hey, old Joe Boy. That was his name Joe Boy. Joe Boy got old. The other dogs be running the yard. He just bark at him.

Basically said, I remember I used to be able to do that, but I got to stay up here now. He can't move. Yeah, he can't move anymore. He can get off the porch to go out there and do his business, but he ain't running with nothing. And he definitely ain't going hunting with those other dogs. But I wish Tyreek the best.

I thought for what he's been able to do on the field, the way he turned himself from a gadget guy, a guy's getting, you know, some shovel passes, some jet sweeps of, you know, flea flickers here and there, a return special and to turn himself into a preeminent receiver that's dedicated, that's hard work. We all have our flaws.

We've all made mistakes. But in this situation, I commend him on what he's been able to overcome to turn himself into the receiver that he became. And so I wish him the best, nothing but going to forward. But I agree with you, 1,000 percent. Take your time. You should be in no rush. If this thing doesn't happen, I mean,

it don't have to happen the first week of money. you know, the signing period is the second week of March, Joe. I ain't got to get one of the team. I ain't going to be able to do anything anyway. But the one thing about it, I think it's going to happen before that. When the time comes, I think, you know, teams, especially that need a receiver of his caliber, again, even coming off injury, understanding the value that he can bring once he is healthy, a lot of teams can use that asset, a lot of teams.

And I know, just not to go off topic. I love talking about Tyree. Speaking of receivers, that need to be utilized in the right way, that is another Matthew Golden. Yeah. Matthew Golden had that same type of, I don't understand what they're doing over there in Green Bay,

but I just felt like throwing it out there. They need to utilize him the right way too because they use him as if he's just a gadget player and he can do somewhat of the same thing Tyree can. He just hadn't figured it out yet if that makes sense. Plus, I think the thing that players get caught up in is that teams do not get caught up into this. Hold on.

We're about to invest $15, $20 million. I mean, maybe it would incentive they can get to that number. You have to set aside what a guy once was. Yes. And actually pay him and value him on what you believe he'll be. Right.

We get caught up at a lot. We get caught up sometimes in that, Ocho. We get caught up, oh, I remember, I remember. And we pay for what he was as opposed to what he is. What he is. Some things do increase in value. Some things, they lose value.

Hey, I just saw an Enzo Ferrari. I think it was on Meekam that went for $16 million. Yeah. The Enzo? It was yellow. I think it was one of one. But they're skyrocketing. They're skyrocketed.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I think for me, that's what I think that's what teams are going to look at. I think they'll give him decent money, Ocho. But I think it's going to be a lot of it's going to be incentives. Yeah. And knowing him, I think he's a player that would be able to hit those incentives, especially if he comes back anywhere near like what he once was. Miami traded a first round pick, a second round pick,

two fourth round picks and a sixth round pick to acquire Cheetah in 2022. Despite Tyreek having two productive seasons in Miami in hindsight, what do you think, Ocho, you like this trade? Yeah, I like it from a monetary standpoint. That's it. I mean, yeah, but it's, you, you would never be able to get that anywhere else,

huh? No. You would never be able to get that anywhere else. This is one of the best receivers, not just of this generation, he's still one of the best receivers of all time. Of all time. I think people, people need to understand

the run that Tyreek was on before his injury. This ain't just know anybody. So, I mean, it was worth it. And they got what they wanted. Obviously, the end goal is always to win a championship. But there's so many different, so many other holes that need to be filling before we can even think about, talk about a championship down here in Miami any damn way. So now, now I don't know it's going to be hard because just saying now, Ocho, he has two more Super Bowls with another Super Bowl appearance. Now, maybe he doesn't have 1799 and 1700.

Maybe he's around 13. but he has three 1,300-yard seasons. Now, Ocho, we're looking like, hold on, man, Tyree got like 12,000 yards and another bloop, another two Super Bowl rings. Hey, at another all-pray, I don't know, Ocho, you might be right,

even though we have some issues that, and don't let anybody fool you. They say they're not supposed to look at off-field issues. It all depends on who it is. Yeah. Yeah, you know, they move the goalpost for who they want to, you know what that. Absolutely.

You understand that. And it's unfortunate that they've been given that kind of power to be able to control the narratives and be able to finish your story in their own right. They just have too much power to me. And I don't like politics. If I wanted to play politics, I would have been a politician. And everything becomes political and not what you've done on the field, which is why it just, it's just, it's just, it, it,

It is what it is. You'd be a great politician. Just lie. Just tell people, just tell your constituents what they want to hear. They'll vote you in. And then they get comfortable. That's why these people, 80 plus years old, that's been in office for 40 years. Yeah.

But, you know, they say, lady justice, because lady justice supposedly have a scale. So justice is supposed to be balanced. And it's supposed to be blindfolded. But every once in a while, she'd be peeking. Oh, I see you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All the time.

on you. Hey, all the time. And depending on it when it comes to that, too. Now, certain people, certain people play by different rules. Certain people play by different rules. And we can see that's going on right now. That's not the kind of talk show that we do have. But as you can see, there's a huge story going on.

And there's certain people that play in a whole different ballgame. And run their own system where the rules don't apply to them. The likelihood of Aaron Rogers returning to the Steelers for the 2020. 26th season is high, according to Jeremy Fowler. First year coach, Mike McCarthy. I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith. We're putting loneliness in the penalty box by talking to some of our favorite athletes about the importance of friendship.

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There is a waiting game, however, that could stretch for several months. Similar to last offseason, Rogers is not rushing his decision. And file a report, there is no timeline on Rogers' decision. Both sides are open to a potential return. Aaron Rogers tend to take as much time on such matters, so I don't expect this swift resolution, but head coach Mike McCarthy likes Rogers, of course, from his time in Green Bay.

He's a bridge option for them. They look at hard at quarterbacks in the 2026 draft, so they certainly could draft one. Ocho? Mm-hmm. What's going on? What's really going on? Well, you know God damn Willie coming back, huh?

You know Dan Wellington coming back because there is no answer at the position. Even if not the same, even not the same Aaron Rogers. No. Parth is familiar with him. They played them. He had him at Green Bay.

What answer do you have at that position to say, you know, we can move on for Aaron Rogers and he doesn't have to come back? I mean, will you rely on a 42, what, 43-0 quarterback? I think you'd be 42. As you're starting quarterback, you don't have it. Yeah, you don't have a choice. You don't have a choice. Just to even compete in this NFL,

obviously we've seen it all season. You need a quarterback, and sometimes age really doesn't matter depending on who it is. Matt Stafford at 37. Then you have Drake May. How the hell do the goddamn Patriots go from 4 and 13 to 14 and 3 the following year? It's because of the quarterback play. Obviously, coaching plays the goddamn factor, but you still need a quarterback.

I mean, it just is what it is. Sam Darno. Look what he did in Minnesota. He goes to the goddamn Seattle. Obviously, there's some other pieces that matter, obviously, organizationally. They won a Super Bowl. Who gives the Steelers their best chance to compete? I'm not saying win, but just compete.

It would be 42, 430 O, Aaron Rogers. And it's just the way the NFL is. It's just the way it's built. It's the way it's structured. You need a quarterback. Unless you have one, you don't have a chance, even if he's 42 years old. And that's what they say. They're looking for a bridge.

They could certainly go draft one in 20, 26. I don't know. It would strike me as odd to go into free agent market and get a quarterback when you have Aaron Rogers, the potential of Aaron Rogers. Because the guy that comes to free agent, Joe, he's looking to start. He ain't looking to be no bridge. He ain't looking to have, okay, Aaron Rogers, going to start this year, and then we'll put you in next year. That's not why a guy comes in free agency to your building.

Right. He's coming to be a start. He's coming with the intention, the, excuse me, the intention, not attention, the intentions of starting. Yes. So they're probably going to have to go into the market. They're going to probably have to go into the draft and draft the quarterback, because I don't see a scenario where you go get one in free agency

and ask him to sit. right to sit for a year i don't think that i don't think you'll be i don't me personally i don't think you'll be comfortable with that yeah and the funny thing about it too uh the way they treat young quarterbacks right now too we've seen we've heard tom brady talk about it we hear some other players that play quarterback talk about how they're so much impatient and they're not allowing quarterback to develop they're not allowing quarterback to develop there's so much pressure on them they're going to bad teams and owners are impatient when they don't have instant success and that that's it's unfortunate and i think they're going to continue to

to have those problems, especially if Aaron Rogers doesn't come back. It's going to put them right back in quarterback purgatory. Well, what happens is that you have Jaydon Daniels in his first year, he goes to the NFC championship games. You have Drake May in the second year, get all the way to the Super Bowl. You see Bo Nix in the second year have his team in the AFC championship game. You see Caleb Williams has his team. So they just people automatically assume, well, if he did it, why can't I got to do it?

No. But you know that's how people think, Ocho. Yeah, but also look at it. Look at the quarterback's your name. Jayton Daniels ain't no slouch. He's good. He was able to do it in college. Caleb Williams,

he wasn't no slouch. He's really good. He was able to do it in college. So if you look at the quarterback coming out this year in the draft, I mean, do you see one in the draft this year or one in collegiate football that comes in and changes the direction of your organization? I mean,

let's be honest. I don't, but, Ocho, it's the same thing. People see your success and ask, why can't I have that level of success? because they don't see what you're doing behind the scenes. So you don't know what type of program, what type of organization and what type and what type of stability

that they provided for him. All you're looking at it from the outside, so you're on the outside looking in there like, damn, it looked like fun in there. But you don't know what they did to have that kind of fun. But all I see is the first year and second year quarterbacks getting to the Super Bowl, getting to AFC championship games,

NFC championship game, getting to the division around the playoffs. But you won't, me to sit here and says, okay, we got three years. Huh? NFL is very impatient. They're very, very impatient. You know why, Ocho?

Yeah. Because the salaries are getting astronomical. And I've got to make a decision. See, I've got to make a decision within three years. Am I going to get this guy $300 million? Right. So you talk about, oh, hey, let them develop. Mm-mm.

This is a Polaroid. I'm going to shake his ass. I'm going to do this thing develop real quick. Hey, hey. You know, back in the day, oh, Joe, you didn't have an Instagram, you had to sit the thing off. You take it to the drug store.

They sit it off, well, I think it'll be back. No, no, hell, no. I need this right now. Let me see, come on. Yeah. And matter of fact, a small example. Small example on organizations that have to make it happen right now.

If they want instant success, you got the bill around your quarterback. Tennessee. Tennessee with Cam Ward. They're going to have to continue to bill and put pieces around the quarterback. Las Vegas Raiders, they got a hell of,

of a job ahead of them. Yeah. They got a hell of a job ahead of them based on the way they look last year, knowing that they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza with the number one pick. You got to get some pieces. I agree. You got to get some. And the best way to do that is, for one, you got to let Brother Crosby go.

You got to let Brother Crosby go because to be able to get what you need, not only offensively but defensively, you're going to need the value that he brings in a trade. You're going to need it because you're fooling yourself and your thing. Just bringing him in Mendoz in, all of a sudden things are going to change. That's not the way it works. But if you go look at what they had, what they put around, go look at Caleb Williams, look at what they put around it.

They got DJ born. They draft the Coast of Lublin. They, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, , uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, run and Zemzae, the running back, they short of the offensive line. Okay, Drake May, they go get, uh, a booty was already there, but they go get a steppe dix.

Look at the running back. They had remandre steves, but they go get Henderson. You see what they, you see what they did around. And I think that's that's the way that you have to that's the way you see what they did with a CJ You get a Nico college you get a running back you get you bring you got to bring pieces in now this deal you know I think The Texans are gonna go back into the offensive line I saw tank Dale working out and he's like hey okay He still had he probably still have a way to go but they're probably going to go get another receiver I can sure they're going to get a running back

because I don't know if Joe Mixing is going to come back on Joe they listening to them talk and I could be wrong and maybe maybe I'm reading too much into this situation but the way they was talking this didn't seem good this is not like something that oh we expect him to be back this year right right but you're like you said you've got to put great pieces

around the quarterback because there are very few quarterbacks that can really elevate a team in his first or second There's been a few, they're a handful of them, a handful of them. But hold on, even those quarterbacks that can elevate a team still look at what they had around them. Look at about, look what they had around them. You know, they just happened to be that good. And then you also had pieces around you.

Like it takes a special quarterback to go to a very bad team and elevate everybody else. That means he has to do almost everything else right when nobody else is. Everybody's not as good to me, but I'm so good, I can make up for all our lack, all our weaknesses. You know how difficult that is at that position? But even when you go back and look at it, even though Kansas City had Tyreek and they had Kelsey, they still brought in Samuel Watkins. They still brought in Valdez.

You see they still kept adding pieces. They had McKinnon. And they had, hey, we're not satisfied. And it's like, man, we got our ass kicked against Tampa or what they do. Rebuilt the whole offensive line. Yeah. Got to.

And they're going to redo it. They're going to reshuffle it again. And they're going to go out and get some players. Hey, they got to get better defensively too, Ocho. They took a step back defensively. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're not the same. They're not the same.

But I'm not surprised. The thing is that when you get, I mean, I take my hat off to these older guys because I know as I got older, I just got tired of hearing the same verbiage, the same. And I can just imagine what it is for a quarterback. I don't want to hear it no more, man is there any way I can just show up on Friday,

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Unfortunately, your bingles were not on there. Hold on. Bring that to me one more time. See, the biggest window heading in the next season, followed by the Rams, followed by the Patriots, followed by the Eagles, followed by the Broncos, followed by the Bears,

followed by the Jags. Hold, you said the biggest window. Yes. Now, the biggest window on what, but repeating and going back? Summer window heading in the next season. Oh, you know what?

I like that list, and I like that list. I'm not even going to base it on the quarterbacks. I'm going to go with that list based on the defenses that they have. Based on the defense that they have, but all of them do have quarterbacks. I mean, yeah, and that also plays a part.

But because of the defenses, I think I like that list. Obviously, Josh Allen's not listed. Lamar's not listed. Obviously, my bangles aren't listed. And what are our weaknesses? What are our weaknesses? What are the weaknesses of the bills? The defense was.

What are one of the weaknesses? They're over the cap right now. Now, they can fight. They can restructure, probably restructure, Josh, restructure James Cook. Uh, yeah. Bosa only signed a one year deal. We'll see what they do with Epinessa, uh, uh, Rousseau, some of those guys.

Uh, we'll see what they do with that. Obviously, Lamar is the biggest, is the biggest question mark. Okay, what are we going to do with him? Right. Uh, Steve Bichot has made it abundantly clear. He would love to have him back. But if that's not the direction that Lamar wants to go in, we'll play it out and we'll, we'll go from there.

So Lamar's about $70 million against the cap. They got to get better defensively too, Ocho. They got to get some receipts. Because I don't know what happened to Bateman this year. I don't. I don't know, Joe. I don't know what happened. Yeah.

Me, listen, Lamar getting his deal done this offseason. They got to get him under the cap. He can get a new deal. As far as defense, they need it bad. They need an edge rusher. They need someone. They need the impact player on the edge. I'm not sure who they can go get.

There's so many, so many different variables and measures you can take to improve in that area. and everything starts on defense. They have to get that moniker that they always stood by or always talk about, play like a Raven. They look nothing like that. They look nothing like that. And on the back end, on the back end,

I'm not sure Marlon Humphrey, if he's coming back, Nate Wiggins, this offseason, you got to come together. You got to come together. You have to be that centerpiece in that secondary, along with Kyle Hamilton, to lead, to lead that goddamn secondary. And they need one piece on, just one on the edge. I don't know who it could be.

you just need one. They'll be very, they'll be very active. Steve is not very happy with, with missing the playoffs. He let it be known. He was so displeased with that. He fired the head coach. So I can't give you any clear indication

that Steve was upset with how this season played out. And maybe there are, there are a lot of things. I mean, the running back situation, the team, and sometimes it's just best. Sometimes we just need to, we just, Ocho, sometimes

your voice and her voice, y'all just tired of each other. You get with somebody else, she get with somebody else, and everybody's just so happy. Yeah. It's like that sometimes, and there's nothing wrong with that. Well, what happened?

We just grew apart. After 19 years, sometimes you're not, it's hard to, I mean, you have to be willing to evolve because nobody is the same. The person that you made the very first day, I don't care if you win them for a year. I don't care if you win them for 50 years. That's not the same person.

A year later, 20 years later, 30 years later, 50 years later. You, they evolved, you evolved, and each party who had to be willing to evolve with other parties. Together. Yeah, and that's a hard part. Obviously, in a coaching standpoint is when you do evolve, you know, everything has to be in alignment. Most of the time, everything's not in alignment when it comes to coaches.

And players hear it so much. It becomes you regurgitate the same thing over and over. They're tired of hearing the same message from the same voice. And sometimes changing the voice, it's different. It's different. And so, I mean, listen, even as a bingo, I'm hoping for the Ravens to have some sort of success and be able to compete once again and be at the top of the AFC along with my team. But until they find somebody that come off that adjunct or somebody to help with that D-line,

they ain't doing nothing. It ain't going to happen. Like I said, I mean, you're asking your secondary to hold up for that length of time and they're just not good enough to be able to do that. And when the guy has five, six, seven seconds, I mean, there are some, like, bro, ain't nobody. I mean, Revis and time together wouldn't be able to hold up when the guy's just taking six, seven seconds to throw the football.

But you've got to have some pressures. But I like this. But there's no, think about it, the Rams, their quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Bears, quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Jags, quarterback, number one overall draft picks. Seahawks quarterback, third pick in the draft. Patriots quarterback, third pick in the draft. Eagles quarterback, what, the first second pick in the second round.

The Broncos quarterback, a top 15 pick. It's not an accident that Bucky listed these teams and each one of these teams has stability at their most important position. Yeah, you're right. That's not an accident. Yeah. obviously the Seahawks they're going to have to, you know, what do we do with Kenneth Walker?

Can we do it with Spooned? If I'm them, I trade Wolling. I trade him. I'm not going to leave for nothing. I'm not going to pay him, Mocho. I'm not. I think he's a restricted free agent. I trade him.

I got his right. I'm trading him. Yeah, he'll be paid. I just can't pay him. Because you can't pay both of them. You want spoon or you want to go on rolling? You can't. You want spoon or you want rolling?

I'm going to give you a choice. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You can't keep them both. And they got to take care of Mr. Walker too now. They got to take care of Mr. Walker. What are you going to do with J.S. senior? Oh, he, hey, he's going to break the bank.

I'm just asking you. Hey, hold on. Him and Pooka. Yes. Him and Pooka. So I just need, you need to tell me what you're going to do. Because you can. And I get it.

Um, I think in order of importance for the Seahawks. Yeah. Probably spoon. JSN, Walker's at the, at the low end. Yeah, I mean, oh, you know how they treat. Yes. Unless you're absolutely special. Unless you want them special individuals, you know,

that's the way, that's the way to cook you crumbles. There's always a pecking order in everything. Always a pecking order. So, um, hold on, hold on. Go ahead. Baby. Baby. Fat fat.

What pop on? Okay. Can you, can you go up there with Papa so I can hear? I can't hear. You want to stay there? Okay, can you turn down your, can you turn down YouTube? Let me turn this down because I can, can you hear her? Can you hear the YouTube?

Oh, you can't, okay, okay, okay, okay. If you can't hear it, okay. But if it distract me, I can hear it, we can't hear it. Okay, okay, I'm just making sure because I can hear it clear as day and it's loud. She listened to some K-pop thing. You know, you know what K-pop is? I know that South Korean group.

Yeah, hold, let me turn it down a little bit. There's stages. Young people, young kids and old people, both got hearing problems. But, no, I like this group. Most of these teams got outstanding defenses. I'm surprised the Texans are not over here, but the Texans got some issues. They got a, they got a, it's, is Stroud their guy and then Will Anderson, Jr.? Yeah.

Yeah. That's a big page. day. That's a big, big, big, big payday. Yeah, it is. I mean, between the two, you're probably looking at, Ocho, you're probably looking at $350, $400 million. Mm-hmm. Easy.

Easy. Easy. I'm not saying Will Anderson is going to get Michael's money, but he's going to be damn in the bar park. Yeah. Oh, he's definitely going to be in the ballpark. He definitely going to be in the ballpark. Yeah, he's going to be up there. Jalen Hertz has been voted the most hated player in the NFL on data analysis by website Vegas Insider.

Hertz got a hate score of 10, the highest in the league and the strongest negative fan reaction. Ocho, why do you think Hertz is the most hated player across the league? I think Hearst is the most hated player across the league because he wins, huh? He's been winning. He's been winning since Alabama. He came to Philly and he's been a winner since he's gotten there. They don't like the way he do things, but he only does what they ask of him. And the results in what they ask of him, even though it's not pretty, even though it's not

aesthetically pleasing to the eye, Jalen Hertz wins all the time. Now, obviously, players, those that play the game, will continue to nickpick at what he's not able to do. Obviously, last season, everything coming to a head because the things that everybody complains about, see, this is why we're not winning right now because he can't do X, Y, and Z. But still, he is the most hated to me, obviously, because I think he wins

with doing the least at his, you know, current position. But it was, it works for them, it has worked. And just last season, it just didn't. People were talking about, what's the context? I hate you, Ocho. What context? I don't need no damn context.

You just, just hate me for no reason. You were talking about what, what's the context? He's the most hated play. And I think a lot of it has to do, Ocho he wins, but it's not, like you said, it's not aesthetically pleasing. He doesn't win like they want him to win or how they envision.

He should be winning. They look at how they hate him. Or Josh Allen or this guy, that guy win. Well, he ain't winning like that. The objective is to win. You don't get more or less points for winning pretty. And I think that's what, you know,

some people, everybody's like, everybody can't win like Peyton Man. Can't win like Tom Rainey. Some people have to do it a different way. And that's okay. But, uh, what? How's it my fault? What?

But it's my fault. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's your, hold on. Let me tell you. Let me tell you the people whose fault it is on why people hate Jalen Hertz. For one, we're going to go with Camden. Um, we're going to go with you two. Uh, um, let me see who else.

Um, did, does Shady say anything? I'm not, I'm not sure if Shady said anything. I don't know. I think Shady supports it. Yeah, Shady normally, you know, you normally rock with your, you rock with your squad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, you, you, you, you, you heavy on him, Cam, heavy on him, Cam, really heavy on him, boy. People don't like the tush push.

Look, I mean, listen, my quarterback, my quarterback squat 600 pounds, that's on you. You got to stop. I think the thing is, Ocho, his interviews, I mean, we don't get a chance to see his personality. I'm sure the guy that we see in front of the camera is not the, guy that he is in the locker room. And people like to see personality. I think that's why people are, people and Payton didn't show a whole lot of personality

until Peyton retired. Brady, you know, people talk about Brady's sense of humor and thing like that, but he didn't really show it. He was really buttoned up. So I think we're holding Jalen Hertz or I'm not holding it to him. He is what he is. I don't, it's not, I'm not casting me in a movie or

commercial related things, so it really doesn't matter to me. But I think the thing is that people really do want to like, is he really this buttoned up? Is he really just this matter of fact? And, you know, no, he's not excited. Like, hey, yeah, I'm happy, but, you know, it's on to the next. You're not even going to give yourself, you're not going to give yourself an opportunity to celebrate the Super Bowl.

You're not going to give yourself an opportunity. And I think, I think that has something to do with it. I do. Yeah, a little bit. But, you got to understand, especially the quarterback position, you have to carry yourself a certain way. I think Jalen Hurst goes to the extreme with it when it comes to being buttoned up,

when it comes to strictly about business. Obviously, you heard us comments after winning the Super Bowl, right back to business, right back to work. But off-camera, these individuals are nothing like that. Tom Brady, nothing like that. Payton Manning, nothing like that. Until you're able to see them outside of that environment, outside of having to be the franchise quarterback

and the leader of said team, you'll never know them. And that's one of the things that I actually hate that people now, obviously when I was playing, I'm like, but damn, seeing Tom here, being on the same team with him, he's nothing like what I saw on camera. Seeing Peyton Man at the provost. Yeah. Wait a minute. He's saying nothing like the dude I see that answers everything like a goddamn presidential candidate in front of the camera.

No, it's, I just hate that people can't be themselves. You were yourself, but you were a tight in. you put the camera in front of me the same person you see on nightcap the same person you saw on the field in front of camera we were man could you imagine my mind won't let me uh shady did say people in the locker room don't like jaylin hurts yeah yeah but i mean he you you're not you not there to be liked we i am not i'm not part of this team for me to come here every day with you for six months out of the air for you to like me i agree we are supposed to have one goal to have one goal to be like we are supposed to have one goal to be we're not we're not part of this team for me i agree we are supposed to have one goal in mind when we walk in this building. That's the winning championship together.

And that doesn't entail me having to like you. Yeah. It doesn't. I agree. It doesn't. Likeing me, as long as you respect me, we cool. We got to be best boys. I'm not coming to your house.

You're not coming to my house. You're coming to my house. Hey, we're not hanging out together. Nope. He's married. He seems to be happy in this situation. He seems to be a loner. He seems to be about, hey, I'm here to do a job, the best job I possibly can,

and I'm going home to my wife. That's where I am. And I don't, I don't begrudge that. I just think sometimes you do as a teammate, have to get outside your comfort zone. Because y'all was like, hey, boy, what y'all do tonight? Man, we go into the move, so we go, all right, I'm going. Yeah. Man, what y'all do?

Man, we play it. We're shooting dice. How are you playing? We explained it to him. Okay, I'm in. Yeah. Sometimes there's a quarterback, Ocho, to make, because you already put on a pedestal. Whether you like it or not, whether you ask for or not. Yeah. The last thing that you want the team to think is, oh, he really big it than everybody else. Yeah. Yeah. Like he better does. Yeah. Sometimes you just like, hey, a guy. Hey, sometimes, Ocho, you have to, hey, you throw a dinner. Yeah. Sometimes, hey, I know he probably don't gamble or anything. like that but hey you got a poppy shop machine or shoe pool hey sometimes you just

got to sometimes you got to let your hair down and I know I know but I shouldn't have to but it's a different environment yeah yeah sometimes when you when you're the head of a company you got to take you got to take them out to dinner that's just the way it works sometimes why are you looking at me yeah and let ash order all the boo job that she won't. Especially steakhousing. Because you already know, oh, oh, y'all got skirt.

Oh, what comes on this salad? What did you get? Well, you didn't get filet, you got a ribbi? You normally get some bull's jive too. And the columbar. Who got the calamari? I didn't eat not one piece. All I know is I ordered it and didn't eat none of it.

But I did see somebody little little fingers keep with that fork, that spoon, just keep. That was you. No, I'm talking about the collar bar that came out first. But look, everybody ain't going to be like, no, Joe. You can't make everybody happy, nor should you attempt to. Yeah, I mean, but listen, some people have energy, this kind of energy where you can't help but like it.

Sometimes some people are infectious. You what, you know. So, yeah, hey, if you could find, chat, If you can find somebody that don't like me, generally, that don't like me, I pay you a 5900. Well, damn. Well, I don't like your ass because you'll be $50,900. So there you go. I think, you know, regardless of error, regardless of whether it's my error, whether it's the current error,

whether it's the error before mine, everyone generally likes me. Now, they might not agree with the way, you know, the way I played or some of the answers that I did. But there's no way. There is no absolutely way that anybody that dislikes me. If there's anyone that dislikes me, it's something wrong with you. It got to be something wrong with you. And we need to get you help. Chad, I'm sure Chad, you can agree.

Yeah. I 1,000% agree. Yeah. You know, everybody's not going to be, you know, for whatever reason. I tried to be amenable to everybody. I tried to joke what everybody have, you know. But I took winning serious. I took practice serious.

I took meeting serious. I didn't want to see you sleeping. I didn't want to see you bulljabbing around because, you know, that could cost us a game. I mean, we only had 16 of those things and you bulljabbing around and you're not taking the serious. That probably rubbed me the wrong way

and maybe that rubbed some of my teammates the wrong way. Because obviously, you see how I am now. So you could just imagine. Imagine back then. Hey, you would have been mad at me if I was your teammate. Boyer. Man, stop bulljohns so much, Cho, Cho. Hey, you would have been custom to me out.

I can see you now. Oh, so what's you got for us today? What's you got for us today if you scope? Boy, out of that. Oh, my, long as you didn't get no period of there, I'm cool with that. And long as you take practice here, like we out there, we're trying to get better. Because I ain't out here for my help. It's cold or it's hot or whatever to be.

And every day, even though I try to put on a brave face there, sometimes I was dealing with stuff that, you know, you just got to get through. but that was that was my old thing I don't I don't care I don't care you married you got kids I don't care about none of that I don't care about your girlfriend okay I don't care about none of that would leave that at home when you come here right we come in here to get better and when you go back home you got to be able to compartmentalize when you can take your ass back home you have to deal with mama yeah but when you hear yeah separate it got to be able to separate the two who man yeah step y'all full of job I didn't have no Jordan

did I eat the cup I got what I picked the one piece of what what happened to the rest of the plate that I don't know what y'all went to dinner where y'all went some steakhouse right down the street

oh y'all got money I say what damn yeah you're on the plane though you didn't get into it late hey you order you order you order the wagons? Nah. I didn't even I let ask tell you what happened to my

steak. It was burnt. It was cooked perfect but somebody ate it. I hope you ain't. I had like two bites. Did you forget that part? You sent it back? Somebody ate my steak. Hey, you ain't sent it back. No, I didn't send it back. I did. Oh, I was going to say, hey, hey, can I know, listen, I hate going to

dinner or with people who like I will send it back. If you effed up, I'm sitting it back. Yes. Oh, hell no, come on. Don't tell me you wanted them, huh? No, man, I don't like that, man. I feel bad for my waitress. I feel bad from a waitress. I hate them having to run back and forth.

There are people in the world starving. Okay, you know, if they don't get people correctly, right now. Still eating. No, I ain't eating it. Hell, no. Now, I ain't saying, I don't send them back. I don't like that. If I paid $100, $100, $300, $300 for a steak,

right? It better be shit, it's better be delicious. Yeah, hey, I hate, I don't mean if, term of a personal business bar. I left a chick out of restaurant one time like that, man. If you send your food back and if you don't, I hate not only when you send your food back, but when you talk to the waiters any kind of way. Like they believe you.

I don't talk to her. Man, man, I left her there. Oh, you just, you're just going to leave. You're not going to pay? I ain't paying, man. I'm good. Oh, I say my back all the time because I want a dry plate because you know how they put the gravy on the, the juice on the plate?

Oh, they got to send her back. I want a dry plate. Okay, okay, okay. Damn. I don't like that. No, I'm saying it back. It needs to be cooked like I, like I ordered it. I ordered it medium.

Don't bring it to me well. Whoa, whoa, medium. You don't get it medium well? I get it medium, no. That's too much pink on the inside. Just right, just right a amount of pink. You don't see. No, I asked like, oh, rare.

Rare? Rare. Rare. Who is? eat they food? Nah, no, come on, nah. Don't anybody know steak. No, she's just playing. She's playing. She's playing. You get a medium rare.

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