Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Tyreek Hill fires back at Noah Lyles, Cowboys' CeeDee Lamb problem

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Miami Dolphins star Tyreek Hill responding to Noah Lyles, Indiana Fever rookie Caitlin Clark's historic rookie campaign, the latest on the contract... battle between CeeDee Lamb and the Dallas Cowboys, and much more!04:55 - Show starts06:38 - Caitlin Clark breaks WNBA rookie assist record26:25 - Tyreke claps back at Noah Lyles39:10 - Caleb Williams and Rome Odunze46:05 - CeeDee asking for 33 million per year offer53:10 - Gardner Minshew will be Raiders starter58:15 - Kevin O'connell “the Players are pretty confident” in Sam Darnold01:03:41 - Peyton Manning's top 5 QBs01:11:30 - Cowboys 3rd rounder practicing with mom in backyard(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:07:45 Kaitlyn Clark breaks the WNBA rookie assist record in a win over the Storm. She already held the record for the most assists in a single game, which is 19, which she set the final game before the All-Star. And now she's in the record book once again with a third assist today. She set a new single mark set by a rookie. assists today. She set a new single mark set by a rookie. Clark passed Keisha Pinochero, who had 225
Starting point is 00:08:08 with the Sacramento Monarchs in 1998. Before y'all say the WNBA season was shorter, Pinochero set the record in 30 games. Clark broke the record in 28 games. There are 12 games left in the season. Clark left the game with 117 left,
Starting point is 00:08:24 one assist away from tying the WNBA record with three straight games of 20 points and at least 10 assists or more. Coach Quinn knew full well what was going on, effectively stopping Clark from getting the double-double by pulling her team with 90 seconds left. The Seattle coach was unhappy that Sides, who's the head coach of the, uh, fever didn't immediately substitute, uh, at the exact same time.
Starting point is 00:08:49 And then take a look at the video. Skylar Diggins Smith did this. You think that was an accident? Don't you? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:09:05 Oh, she's fed hold on, hold on. Oh. That's an accident. She sped up. Yeah, yeah, she sped up real quick. Hey, wait, man, you know, she, hello. I don't say no hate, no jest. That's what it is. You think so?
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah. I mean, listen. Uh-oh, Ocho, there's been going on, Ocho. What we witnessing, man, from Caitlyn Clark, I know we're not talking about Angel Reese now, but we're witnessing right now for these two young ladies that are coming to this season. It's been a good thing for the WNBA.
Starting point is 00:09:34 We have more eyes watching, more viewership. The revenue is going to start to change. The pendulum for the WNBA players is going to be lopsided in favor of them. I really think they shouldn't have any hatred towards young ladies that are doing well. I know they might be
Starting point is 00:09:54 ruffling a few feathers because of the attention that they're getting. It's a good thing. Everybody going to eat. It is. Everybody going to eat. Ain't no need to be.
Starting point is 00:10:02 But I'm just trying to, but Ocho, let me ask you this. When I just saw Asia go off, ain't no need to be but i'm just trying to but don't you let me ask you this when i just saw uh uh asia go off yeah ain't nobody walking into bumping into her ain't nobody ain't nobody finna bump an asian don't play that come on that you know that day bumping the stewie but you know my thing what no not to if i'm kaylin clark Skylar Diggins, get your coat, your brim, and get on out of our gym. Get your coat, your hat, and leave. Get on out of our gym. I like that. I like that.
Starting point is 00:10:31 That's a good one. Oh, now? Oh, she don't bump into me. Oh, I'm going to get that thing high. Come on, get high. People. People. People.
Starting point is 00:10:41 People. I'm getting the height. Yeah, I don't think she got that in her. She's a dog through her style of play. Through her play, she's a dog. I don't think she has that trash talk. Y'all see the woman speed up.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Y'all see her. Kayla Clark is getting the crowd going. Y'all see Skylar Diggins speed up to make contact with her. Stop this. Y'all mad because that Cornfield Iowa girl blessing y'all ass. Y'all say Skylar Diggins speed up to make contact with her. Stop this. Y'all mad because that Cornfield Iowa girl busts y'all ass. Y'all say she too weak. She can't do this. She leave the WNBA in a siff.
Starting point is 00:11:13 She cooking. Let her cook. Let her cook. Hey, she did speed. Look at the speed walk. Watch the speed walk. Ooh. Yeah. Let that girl walk. Ooh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Let that girl cook. She cutting ass. Help us. Hey, she like a double-edged sword. Oh, she cutting ass left and right. Yep. Both sides. Cutting ass.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah, wah. Hey, she, she, hey, listen. Cut them up. She's doing well for herself. She's doing well for herself. Yes. I would like, I would like the like the ladies to welcome her with open arms and what she brings to the table,
Starting point is 00:11:49 what she's brought to the WNBA, as well as the other rookies that are playing well as well. I know Kaitlin Clark and Angel Reese probably get most of the credit. They do. And all the news and headlines. Yep. It's a good thing. It's a good thing because they have a new fan and a new viewer in me.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Nah, bro, it ain't hype. Y'all keep on talking about she's a great white hype, Ocho. They keep talking about she's a good thing. It's a good thing because they have a new fan and a new viewer in me. Nah, bro, it ain't hype. Y'all keep on talking about she the great white hype, Ocho. They keep talking about she the great. Ain't no hype. Y'all said the same thing about Landberg. I remember. I'm old enough to remember. They said the same thing about Landberg. Ain't nothing hype. Ain't nothing hype about Luca. Ain't nothing
Starting point is 00:12:20 hype about Jokic. I get it. We're not used to seeing she got, oh, she's saucy with that thing. Oh, yeah. Watching her in person twice. I've seen her against the Aces, and I saw the All-Star game. She is elite. She is the pinnacle at passing the basketball, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Take off again. Hey, listen, I like it. I've been watching it all season long. I didn't know what to expect. I saw some young ladies that had been in the WNBA before she got there and saying the transition would be a little difficult. It started off a little rocky. It did. It did.
Starting point is 00:12:54 It started off a little rocky. But look what it is now. Look what it is now. And imagine the improvement year to year on how much better she's going to get. Yes. When she understands the game a little bit more gets acclimated to the speed of the game gets a little stronger yes her lower extremities being able to fight through some of those picks man listen it can get it can get scary now it can
Starting point is 00:13:17 get real scary a lot of those records that out there are going to fall especially when it when it comes to assisting the basketball yes because she she has that ability she has the elite level to see things before they transpire so she hey if you run the court and you get your head up she's gonna find you because the moment she gets the ball she's looking out hey she ain't trying to dribble show how fans i can dribble the ball she's trying to get in the head and get easy buckets in transition oh yeah she's she's great she's elite at passing the basketball now is she going to average 30 and 10 probably not but you see her scoring is starting to increase she'll get better she'll get better at shooting the three but i don't know if she's
Starting point is 00:13:56 ever going to shoot 42 45 because she's shooting from such great distance and a lot of a lot of stuff she's off balance when she takes but that's her shot i got no problem with that right but she's a the transition that you've seen her make because she struggled early on but great players regardless of the sport they figure it out great lawyers great doctors yo every no everybody's not coming in there right off the rip, but give them a little while. They'll get acclimated. They'll figure it out, and then you're going to have hell to pay.
Starting point is 00:14:31 They said the same thing about Luka. Oh, he too slow. Oh, he can't pay no defense. He can't jump. They said the same thing about Yoke. Oh, he fat. He out of shape. Three MVPs, a final MVP later.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Now we're talking, well, when he's all said and done, where are we going to rank him and run amongst the great B? Same thing with Luka. When it's all said and done, where are we going to rank him? When it's all said and done, as far as, now, is she going to win? I mean, Aja Wilson, hell, she might
Starting point is 00:15:00 win five, six MVPs. She's definitely going to go in her third. She's going to win that one this year. Probably defensive player of the year also. So I'm just saying as far as passing the basketball, I'm going to be shocked if she's not the all-time leader in assists when she's done with her career.
Starting point is 00:15:16 This team is box office because they want to see her. Oh, her teammate Kelsey Mitchell? Yes, sir. Man! Hey! She let that thing go. Oh, her teammate, Kelsey Mitchell? Yes, sir. Man. Hey, she let that thing go. Yeah. She can let it go, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I'm a man. Watching her against the A's, watching her in the All-Star game? Yeah. Okay. Go up on the screen if you want to. Yeah. Man, that left-handed. Y'all got.
Starting point is 00:15:43 She let that thing fly. And they got a big and a little Boston that can get you a double, that can average you a double-double. And she's averaging a double-double. She had nine points and 15 rebounds today. Oh, she's exemplary. This team is on the come.
Starting point is 00:15:58 They on the come. They're a really good team with Kaitlyn, Kelsey Mitchell, Leah Boston. Now, Katie Lou Samuelson, she ain't giving up today. I don't know what's going on with her. But they had a young lady come up to the hall with six and seven from the three, eight and ten from the field. But, man, they're exciting.
Starting point is 00:16:18 They're exciting. No matter what you think, they're showing up to see her. It doesn't matter what you think. You can say she hyped she's not high she's legit she can play it's okay i don't know what oh joe when did they become a thing not to give people credit when it's due well has that always been a thing hold on it's always been a thing that depends on what it is it depends on who the hype is depending on who the hype is they're gonna give them hype is, they're going to give them their credit.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Yeah. But you got to understand, you got to understand how it works. Now you got to think like some of the young folk. You got to think like some of the young folk. If they don't like you, there's nothing that the media or anyone else can say
Starting point is 00:16:56 that can change that narrative. No, no. No matter how well that individual is doing. And hell, some people are turning to goddamn Ray Charles knowing how well this young lady is playing and how some people are turning the goddamn ray charles knowing how well how well this young lady is playing and how good and gifted she is they can't see they can't see past whatever it is whatever reason they might have that they don't like the individual
Starting point is 00:17:16 i'm just hey i like them both i like andrew reese and caitlin clark yeah y'all can't make me choose one just because i'm black y'all can't make me love the black and hate the white it ain't happening so y'all might as well go ahead take that on somewhere else what your your what you feel for them that ain't what i feel i treat things on an individual basis i've had white people that's been great to me that helped my grandmother out when my grandmother needed to borrow money and she she's like, hey, Mr. Joe, I need to borrow $50. Them boys will pay it back till you come summertime when they hit the fields. And he gave it to them.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Gave it to my grandmother so we can pay a phone bill or have food to eat. Y'all miss me with that bullshit. Yeah, I ain't even say bulljive tonight. Y'all miss me with that bullshit. Well, you feeling good today, huh? I just believe it.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Ocho, I've just always been. If somebody's better than me, they're just better than me. Right, right, right, right. Hey, what I'm supposed to do? I'm going to hate on Gronk. I'm going to hate on Kelsey. Okay, what you want me to do? I did what I did.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I got all I could get out of my ability. But because they had more ability, they done better than me. I'm supposed to, ah, man? I did what I did. I got all I could get out of my ability. But because they had more ability, they done better than me. I'm supposed to, ah, man, I could have did that. Who knows? I don't know what I could have did. I did what I did. Yeah. That's what I did. Yeah. Give her props. I ain't never,
Starting point is 00:18:38 hey, I just, that ain't in me. I guess, you know what, Ocho? Some people can't see past it, though. But that's why, and people wonder why they don't get the blessings that someone else ask yourself so you think you're doing everything right but see god know your heart yeah so you can fool everybody else but you can't fool that man upstairs and you wonder why ask yourself ask yourself when you're alone and you buy yourself oh i like such and such but it's in here can't fool that man you can fool us yeah no definitely but uh it was oh so i got a problem with this too okay what happened caitlin clark needed one more assist yeah if she'd have
Starting point is 00:19:26 got the assist she'd have been what the third player i think she'd been the third player to ever to have 20 points she'd have tied the record at least 20 points at least 10 assists and three consecutive ball games the seattle storm coach called time out and took her starters out right so what does that do it forced the fever coach they're like oh well i don't want to play my i don't want to do anything so she took her starters out no i coach my team you coach yours you don't want your team on the court the last 90 seconds sit the ass down right hey caitlin go get that assist. I'm going to let her play the entire... If it requires the last 90 seconds, I'm not going to let some other coach dictate my team.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Mike would have never done that. They go to Mike and says, Mike, oh, Rodney to catch three yards. He'll have 100 yards. Oh, Eddie needs this. TD needs that. Hey, 84 needs one more catch, and that'll be such. 84, hey, I might have been out.
Starting point is 00:20:32 84, go back in there. Hey, they'll call a stick. They'll call a shallow. They'll call a wall route. I'm going to catch that ball. Hey, I'm going to fight the game. Yeah. You're not going to dictate by removing your starters,
Starting point is 00:20:44 force me to remove my starters you coach your team i'm gonna coach my team and i'll determine how many minutes when they get a break and whatnot you not gonna do that did she take her starters out she took her starters out because the game was already in already it was already there's no question who's gonna win the game right so when somebody else take their starters out, I guess that's the thing in the NBA. You remove your starters also.
Starting point is 00:21:11 But what it did, it prevented the rookie from tying the record. Okay, okay, okay. I think maybe the coaches, I'm sure the coaches have a pack. I'm sure they have some type of pack that they that they they stick by somewhat of an unwitting rule i think in the nfl i think coaches also have a pack not to run the scoreboard up i mean you you know there are certain unwritten rules that i don't know all of them but they do have them
Starting point is 00:21:40 yes for sure don't do that that a disrespectful end game when the game is already out of control of you to have a game of one a game one like throwing the goddamn ball over and over oh you mean to tell me when you think you're gonna take a knee and the quarterback hands the ball to the running back and he runs the ball in the end zone yeah like that like that yeah yeah and then people sometimes and you you tell your running back listen if you happen to break through go down at the goal line as a sign of respect. I've seen it plenty of times. You know what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Yes. Yeah. Ocho, you know in the victory formation, when we come out there in victory, I done unsnapped my shoulder pads. Everything. I got my chin strapped in the back of my helmet. Everything loose, yeah. Okay, now, you foul if you want to. I'm going to fasten this.
Starting point is 00:22:25 I'm going to fasten this right back up. I'm going to cut your ass. So, okay. Now, right. It's, it's understood that when we,
Starting point is 00:22:35 Hey, we are, and we say, Hey, going down, going down, fellas going down, boy.
Starting point is 00:22:40 Now it's always somebody want to fire off and try to be a hero. Now you add, you add down to 60 minutes to fire off. Now, you down 21 with 45 seconds to go. Now, what the hell you think you're going to happen? Besides get one of your best players cut, because I will cut you. Yeah. And I'll put my helmet right on your knee, and I won't even feel bad about it.
Starting point is 00:23:04 That hurt that way. But the thing is, Ocho, when you beat somebody, you do them a favor. Because see, Ocho, if I beat you, if I kick a late second field goal, you're going to say we had a chance and we just did this.
Starting point is 00:23:16 See, I beat your ass by 21. I beat you by 28. Let you know your team not good enough. You didn't coach it well enough and you don't have good enough players. See, I do you a favor. Now you can't go in there selling false hope. Yeah, yeah, we was right there with Ocho.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Man, all we had to do was make one play here or make there. How you lose by 28 and all you had to do was make a play here or there? That's what I do. See, that's what you're supposed to do, Ocho. See, my grandfather used to always say, boy, if you beat a person,
Starting point is 00:23:45 make it break loose. Don't turn him loose. Because if he turns, don't let somebody break it up. When animals fight, what happens? When one gets the best of them, the other one take off running one of those. Ain't nobody break him up. Ain't no other lion coming there. Ain't no other gorilla silverback coming there. When one
Starting point is 00:24:01 gets the best of him, make it break loose. You ain't got to worry about it no more. Right. But, no, I'm not substitute. I'm going to let her get that. Ocho, do you understand how long the WNBA, and she could have tied a mark? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:19 She could have tied that. Yeah. And because, oh, you didn't want her to get that record, you're going to take your starters out why the hell you have them in there that late anyway if it was such a big deal if the game was already was no doubt was already already settled why you got them in there with 90 seconds to go and you down by what you down by they should have been out they should have been out but you think the coaches the coaches on the sideline and the opposing team understood?
Starting point is 00:24:46 Yes! That she had a chance to get the record? They got stat people, of course. Okay. Just like when a player got X amount of points, and all of a sudden they start doubling, tripletining, make sure he don't get 50, he don't get 60. Hell yeah, they know.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Okay. I was just curious, like, while you're in game, why would you even know what the stats of the other person on the other team are, any goddamn way? You should be locked in and focused on what your team is doing. But, okay. The same reason when you had those big games and you get a couple of catches early,
Starting point is 00:25:17 you got 100 yards at the half. And then all of a sudden, you end the game with 125. They knew. So, guess what? Yeah, exactly. So they got one over the top and they got one up the knee. They got that backer that's going to buzz. They're going to take every out route, every end cut. And they got that corner.
Starting point is 00:25:34 You ain't running no go route. And they're dropping that line. So you try to get the over route. There's that backer right there. So you better catch some jailbreak screens. And take those to the house. Oh, I remember them days. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,
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Starting point is 00:30:09 Yeah. Ocho, a lot of places have picked up our Noah Lyles interview from last night. Yes, sir. Tyreek saw it and responded. Yeah. Signed the contract, locked into that 50-yard race.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Let's go. I like it. No, Ocho. I like it. That man's Ocho. That's like saying, Ocho. Yeah. That. That man's Ocho. That's like saying Ocho. Yeah. That's like saying Noah Lyles is 100 meters.
Starting point is 00:30:29 He runs 100 and the 200. Right. You challenged him. Right. But again, let's be realistic. Let's be realistic. Tyreek Hill is not in track form and nowhere near. It would take years for him to be able to run 100 meters against an Olympian.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Now, let me finish. Let me finish. Where it's even at, where it's even at from someone that's extremely fast and has a fast start like Tyreek Hill, who doesn't have the back end speed or endurance or strength to hang with a Noah Lowes, you make it somewhat even with a playing field that's somewhat even, 50, 60 yards. That's the first thing I said. I tweeted it. Let him race 60 yards.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Because the playing field is even at that point. Once Noah Lowes get past 50, 60 yards, ain't nobody keeping up. I don't give a fuck how fast you are because he's built and he's trained for that as a track athlete. You can't challenge Ocho. You can't challenge me in something and then try to set the terms
Starting point is 00:31:35 in which you're challenging me. If I challenge Steph Curry to a three-point competition, I can't say, okay, we're going to shoot from 12 feet. You challenge the man to a three-point competition. You can't say I can bench press more than Aaron Donald and't say, okay, we're going to shoot from 12 feet. You challenge the man to a three-point competition. You can't say, I can bench press more than Aaron Donald and then say, okay, we're only going to do 135. If you challenge the man, you've got to challenge him at what he does.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Yeah, but see, that's not fair. You know that. But that's not fair. Now, I know. Let me tell you why it would be a good race. And I'm just being realistic We know Noah Lowes is the fastest man In the world right now based on the time
Starting point is 00:32:10 That he ran at the Olympics in Paris But Tyreek Hill with the way he gets off Right now It would be a great race 50 to 60 meters Anything after 60 Tyreek he's going to get beat.
Starting point is 00:32:26 Because he doesn't have the strength or endurance to maintain the way Noah Lowes does based on the type of training he does. So why challenge him? Why say you can beat him? Okay, you're right. I can't speak for you. I just know you would have to handicap it a little
Starting point is 00:32:42 bit to make it somewhat even. To make it even. I'll tell you, 50, 60 yards. How you gonna say you gonna beat Steph Curry in a three point competition and then you got a handicap? Okay, Steph, you can only shoot left-handed. Right. You challenged him. You're right. You're right.
Starting point is 00:32:58 But I'm just saying, if you want to see something good and something exciting, will you have to hold your goddamn breath? Because if they running 100 meters, okay, no allows going in. Now, what makes it interesting, now you talk about 60 with the way Reek get out and all he got to do is hold
Starting point is 00:33:14 it? Now we talking business, man. We talking business. How about this, Ocho? Yes, sir. How about Reek just settle for being the NFL fastest man? And that's in question with Xavier Worthy now in the NFL. So how about that? Is that okay?
Starting point is 00:33:31 Yes, sir. I mean, you think, you think, you think, hold on. You think he could be, challenge Christian Coleman. Why would he challenge Christian Coleman? That's not fair. That's not fair. Christian Coleman has the greatest start of all time. You know he's not going to win that.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Christian Coleman has one of the fastest 60 meter times If I'm not mistaken That's not fair You can't challenge somebody That has to handicap it You have to just a little bit. That's why he said 50 or 60 meters,
Starting point is 00:34:07 because he knows he can get out and hold it. He can hold that strength and endurance for that amount of time. Anything after that, he won't be able to. It's impossible. He doesn't train for that. We done saw him challenge Usain Bolt. We done saw him challenge Noah Lyles now. So when is it going to end, Ocho? I don't
Starting point is 00:34:26 know. I don't know, but I want to see it. I mean, we just saw Usain casually run with sweatpants and sneakers run 4-2-2. Yeah, yeah. So imagine if he trained. Actually, as a matter of fact, he was talking. He said, if you get a sponsor, give me a month to train.
Starting point is 00:34:42 I'll race him in a 40-whatever. That ain't fair. Actually, I've been trying to set something up where you say, he and I have been talking in the DM. But he said, give me a month to train. He said, all I need is a month. I said,
Starting point is 00:34:58 man, you had run. He said, give me a month. Yeah. Man, that ain't. He said, give me a month. Yeah. I ain't feelin'. I ain't feelin'. Hey, listen. Usain is another one. If you notice all his races,
Starting point is 00:35:13 you notice he's always last coming out of the blocks? You ever notice that? Once he gets about 30 meters on, and he rides up out that draft phase, man, shit. You might want to strike up the motherfucking band. You might want to strike up the band.
Starting point is 00:35:35 I mean, like. When I first got the FF1, I could run Jason Witten. Well, at that point in time, I could. He wasn't fast. He wasn't fast. I could literally, I knew I could outrun him. At that point in time, I was still running. Right, right. And, you know, I didn't have
Starting point is 00:35:58 the hip issues that I developed probably around like late 2017, early 2018, when my hip started bothering me. But prior to that, I could have got Jason Wynn. Or I could have got Gonzo, too. Yeah, I can see. Two tight ends that aren't known for their speed.
Starting point is 00:36:15 And Gates. I told Gates, because I see Gates, my dog. I told him, I said, Gates, you cannot run me. Not now. Not when I play. If you take my time, your time, you not outrun. Not you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Listen, when it came to making moves at the line, that his lateral movement. Oh, now that's a different story now. Man, that joke, man. I ain't never seen no ball. I'm like, bro, they know Phillip going to give you the ball. He was nasty with it, boy. He was nasty with it. He was nasty with it, boy. He was nasty with it.
Starting point is 00:36:45 He was nasty with it. That's the only thing. I was like, how did he get that in the red zone? And they know they're going to throw this man the ball. And they still can't cover it. Every time. Every time. I tried to get a red zone touchdown.
Starting point is 00:36:58 They got two. They leaving the running back or the fullback wide open. They got three men. Three men on me. And everybody looking around like, man, no. Why didn't y'all three men go on him and let me get it? I say, man. It's the price.
Starting point is 00:37:13 It was getting great. It was a great game today. The Fever win, 92-75. Kaitlin Clark had 23 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds. Kelsey Mitchell had 27 points. Leah Boston had 9 points, 15 rebounds. And Hall had 8 of 10, 6 of 7 from the 3, had 22 points. So they win 92-75.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Keep their playoff hopes alive. What place that 13-15 right now? There's 10 games left. Where are they in the playoff standing, Ash? There were seven. Only eight teams making. So right now, they're in the playoff right now, Ocho. And they started off bad too, huh?
Starting point is 00:38:00 They started off real bad. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. You know what? I talked to my boy Lights Out. He hit me up today. He's like, man.
Starting point is 00:38:17 When you talk to him again, I'm going to beat his ass. Let him know. I ain't seen him. I ain't playing. I ain't on, I'm what? I ain't playing. I ain't on site. On site. I'm telling you, he going to be lights out.
Starting point is 00:38:29 All right. Uh, he's like, Hey, let's get these sponsors. We get this thing. Let's get Tyreek and Noah Lyles. Cause Noah's serious.
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Starting point is 00:39:05 It only makes sense to Noah Lyles because he can make more in that one race. Reed can't make $30 million in a race. There's more to lose than gain. He tears a hamstring. I'm not going to stop thinking like that.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Come on, man. We've been running all our life. That's all they do. He had to dig like this, Ocho. Stop thinking like that. Come on, man. We've been running all our life. That's all they do. He had to dig like this, Ocho. That's a whole different ball game. Listen, he going to be all right. Let's not think negative. Don't even think about that.
Starting point is 00:39:36 That's why you leave Ocho. Once he done with the league, once he done, that's why I tell you that. Nah, nah, nah. In the offseason, man. In the offseason. No, hell nah. Hey, the same way like, hey, listen. When they had the fastest man competition, when was that done? All the NFL players competed.
Starting point is 00:39:50 All the ones that were fast. When was that? In the offseason. I ain't doing it. Same thing. I ain't doing it. You can't run. They can run. No. Ocho, that's why I tell guys you know, snowmobiling and jet skiing.
Starting point is 00:40:06 The risk reward? Yeah, yeah, but come on, man. Ocho, you got a $190 million contract. And you really because you know that's not the NBA. That's not the MLB.
Starting point is 00:40:22 They don't honor them. You know they don't honor them contracts, Ocho. Talk about running. Running. That's what we do. That's all he does is run fast. Now, all of a sudden, we're talking about him just do what you always do, run fast. Now, you're worried about something happening?
Starting point is 00:40:37 That's what he does. He runs. Fast as hell. Not as fast as me, but he's great. That's why we call him Cheetah. I just like, Tyreek, let it go. No, don't let it go.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Don't even worry about it. I got you, boy. 50, 60 meters. And see, the thing is, I don't know if we've seen somebody like bound like tight, like weak.
Starting point is 00:41:08 I mean, if you look at DG and Rod and guys that ran, they weren't as muscle bound. They tall. They weren't as muscle bound as Tyreek. Tyreek is a ball
Starting point is 00:41:22 of muscle. Right now. Right now. That's why he's so fast out the goddamn gate. So before you know it, the goddamn motherfucker, he up on you. And he gonna buy you. Because it's hard to gaze when you're looking until you step on your toes and it's
Starting point is 00:41:38 too goddamn late. It's too late. Yeah. I mean, he, I mean, if you play off of him, he gonna get you out of that back pillar in like two steps. Right away. And then he can run anything. He ain't got no choice. Without help over the top, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Without help over the top, how you stop a dig? How you stop an out route? You can't stop nothing intermediate or short if you're playing off. If you get up there and press, if you have help you're gonna miss so basically everything he's running anyway is off the safety because you're not gonna jam him and if you do now you put it now you got the safety in harm's way yeah you gotta you got the best chance to jam him is when he's on the road he can't hear the snap count yeah and he's got to be looking inside. The silent count, yeah. So, because he got to wait till the ball moves and he can't look and
Starting point is 00:42:29 he can't see the guy walking down like what you call him, Gotti? Legarius Lee. When he throws him. He quick jams him. Because normally, if he's looking, he can hear that snap count at home and he's looking at you, okay?
Starting point is 00:42:46 You can walk up there if you want to. You get what you're looking for. Okay, Ocho. Taylor Williams is projecting greatness for himself in Rome and Doomsday. The 2024 first round picks connected on an impressive 44-yard reception during yesterday's 27-3
Starting point is 00:43:01 preseason win over the Bengals. After the win, Williams said he's looking forward to playing alongside Adunze and continue to develop their strong connection. We're going to be explosive. We're two rooks, but we're trying to catch up to the old guys as fast as we can to make sure we're right on their par with being able to be as efficient and functional, that's Ash, and go out there and be explosive,
Starting point is 00:43:26 be on the same page and win games. That's ultimately what we're trying to do here. Having a guy like that was drafted with me, we're going to keep growing and keep building this connection. Yeah, they're going to be fine. Listen, I was talking to some friends of mine the other day,
Starting point is 00:43:40 talking to some friends of mine at Fanatics yesterday, talking about my surprise team, you know, for this season and I said without even hesitation it's going to be the Bears it's going to be the Bears I understand Caleb Williams
Starting point is 00:43:54 is really good he's really good watch him play look at the way he plays some of the things he did at USC it is transition into the NFL. He's not even out there playing with all the starters.
Starting point is 00:44:10 No. How do you say his last name? Adunze. Adunze. Yeah. Small connection. Small sample size. Now, what do you think happens when you add Keenan Allen to the mix, who I still believe is one of the top three right runs in the league who doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Starting point is 00:44:27 And I've seen some media outlet trying to talk about he's too slow. He's too big, too fat. Now, man, stop. This is what he does. Then you got D.J. Moore. Listen, they're going to be fine. And I think that's going to be the one team to surprise everybody because of the quarterback play. team to surprise everybody because of the quarterback play. And then another thing, everybody's saying, well, we see him scrambling
Starting point is 00:44:50 and throwing the ball and making plays. Well, Justin Fields was doing that as well. Justin Fields was showing flashes of it. Oh, Lord have mercy. Let it go, guys. I was trying to explain to him what you have to do at the quarterback position. Be consistent. That's all trying to explain to him what you have to do at the quarterback position and how
Starting point is 00:45:05 you be consistent. That's all it comes down to. Just being able to show those flashes on a consistent basis, not every so often. That's all it comes down to. Justin Fields is good. I love him to death. But that's all it comes down to.
Starting point is 00:45:21 And he also didn't have the weapons that... So it makes it much easier when you got that at your disposal man i think the thing is oh show oh show they'll be a little bit more patient they'll coach he'll get better coaching than what Justin Fields got. Yeah. He also has DJ Moore. He got DJ Moore one year. He comes in. He has Roman Dunzay, first-round draft pick. He has Keenan Allen, who is a multiple-time Pro Bowl player.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Yes. And he has Cole Komet, who's even getting better. I'm tripping. Going to get better and better and better. It happens sometimes, guys. It happens. It's okay. It's okay.
Starting point is 00:46:09 It's okay. Justin Fields isn't there. He's not coming back. Yes, he was mismanaged. There was a lot of things. And I think a lot of times, Ocho, when you get traded, you get released, it forces you to look within yourself now. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Okay, what could I have done to prevent this? It has you questioning yourself, too, like there's something wrong with you. Yes. If you look at the landscape of all the quarterbacks that have been a part of that organization, who's the last one that was goddamn competent to lead the franchise outside of Jim McMahon and Jay Cutler? Talk to me.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Don't mention Jay Cutler. No disrespect. You don't like Jay? If I like, he was... Yeah. Okay, Reg Grossman. But that was more so the defense that got him to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:47:02 All he had to do was just not turn the ball over. That's how goddamn good the defense was. I agree. Look. They mismanaged all the quarterback. I don't. I don't. I don't.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I understand how hard it is. You and I both understand how hard it is to play the quarterback position. All positions in the NFL is hard. But when you talk about processing information. Yeah. Knowing where to go. To know the defense. And you got to know every snap. Yeah. all positions in the NFL is hard but when you talk about processing information yeah knowing where to go to know the defense and you got to know every snap yeah so you come to the line on first and ten okay what we studied they normally play this 80 percent of the time right okay I'm
Starting point is 00:47:35 I'm I'm expecting that at the snap of the ball they give me something else I've got the instantaneous no my number one option is gone now yeah so now I got to go to two to three to throw this son gun out of bounds. Yeah. Because if you go, oh, damn, one ain't there. By the time you go to two and somebody go to three, you're getting hit in the back of your head. You got the process information so fast. Instantaneous. Instantaneously.
Starting point is 00:47:58 Yeah. You got to. And the really great ones do it consistently better than everybody else. It's really that simple. You know what's funny? When it comes to the Peyton Manning's and the Tom Brady's and the Drew Brees' obviously, Patrick Mahomes, they process it so fast, they're processing it before the snap even happens.
Starting point is 00:48:22 Yes. So this is what they're showing me. Okay, I see that. But this is what they showing me okay i see that but this is what they also can be doing as well so if what they see at the snap of the ball having to change in their drop they already know where they're going with the ball before the ball is even even snapped based on what they defensively because're already two steps ahead of the game anyway. Based on film, down in distance, their tendencies. Mm-hmm. And they, man.
Starting point is 00:48:49 You have to be able to read Ocho. You have to like, okay, this is what they like to do. But I think there's a great chance they're going to go to this coverage also. So I'm still one step ahead because I'm still processing. Yeah, you're supposed to be this. What we've taken off on film and what we've seen over five, six, seven weeks is that this is what you do on this down and distance in this area of the field
Starting point is 00:49:10 this time. Yeah, most of the time. It doesn't change much. But you know what? And the slightest thing that's off, the slightest, all of a sudden, the linebacker has his foot just a certain way. And all of a sudden, the cornerback
Starting point is 00:49:26 is a step out. He's just a tad outside where he would normally be if they were going to play the defense. I smell a rat. He coming. Somebody coming. Something ain't right. That takes time. That takes time to get there.
Starting point is 00:49:45 The Cowboys have reportedly made C.D. Lamb an extension offer that would make him one of the highest paid receivers in the NFL on an annual basis. Apparently, that's still not enough. Lamb hasn't expressed an interest in signing the Cowboys' latest extension offer, which is believed to be around $33 million a year. That number would only trail Justin Jefferson
Starting point is 00:50:07 for highest annual salary for an NFL receiver. Not only does CD want to see the Cowboys increase average annual salary on the offer, but also the issue with the cash flow and guarantee on the proposed deal.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Held out of training camp, then practiced with the team all during the off season, entered the final year of his rookie contract. As the season nears, the pressure to get a deal done also has seemingly increased. It ain't enough. It ain't enough. And then Jerry Jones fought. And Jerry Jones fought because he came out and said,
Starting point is 00:50:43 I'm all in. I'm all in about the three pieces, said the three names. Ain't nobody got paid yet. The season started in two, three weeks. Your most important, one of the most valuable players, intricate pieces to the offense hasn't been in training camp. He hasn't been in training camp. So now him and Dak in the chemistry it might
Starting point is 00:51:06 not be off the eight ball but it's gonna take time to get there because you you're not just gonna pick up where you left off last year without no goddamn practice it don't happen like that I don't care how good you are you got to get that rhythm back you got to get that chemistry back you just have to then also I'm thinking about well hell you can train as much as you want but doing it in a structured environment is completely different as opposed to doing it by yourself having people push and tug on you getting off press getting off jam being able to release getting acclimated to the speed of the game i don't care how long you've been playing it's different in game as opposed to practice but he's missing all that valuable time.
Starting point is 00:51:47 And you only offer him $33 million. Make it five more, we assign. Give us five more, we assign. What's Justin Jefferson getting, $35? Give him $35,100,000. $35 million, $100,000. $35,000, $35,000 with a penny. That's it.
Starting point is 00:52:03 Hey, hold on, another thing. Jamar Chase. Same way. No training camp. Now at some point, Joe Burrow is going to have to step in Mike Brown. Listen, I need my number one. I need my number one.
Starting point is 00:52:18 If we're serious about what we're trying to do and getting back, getting back to the Super Bowl in New Orleans, I need my number one. Week one, he got to get some kind of training in before he touches the football field. They get acclimated to the speed, getting pushed, pulled, tugged,
Starting point is 00:52:38 getting all pressed, but whatever it may be, you need that in-game practice. You need it. You can't just get out there just play i don't care how good you are i just and i just hated guys missing camp because now you try to get them to catch up they're gonna take an extra rep and then that's when the soft tissue injuries man let me i'm gonna get up and walk away on that one
Starting point is 00:53:01 i didn't want to say it I didn't want to say it. I didn't want to say that. But it's the truth, though, Ocho. You know it. I didn't want to say it. Because what happens when you come back and you've just been training by yourself, and then you try to go 100 miles an hour with everybody else that's been training and working. Calf, hamstring, quads, groins.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Soft tissue. Every time. Every time. Every time there's a holdout, there's always an injury of some sort. It's never, it's never that bad, but it's always soft tissue. And you already know,
Starting point is 00:53:31 we have a soft tissue injury that ain't nothing to play with. It's, it ain't nothing to play with. Yeah. So where you going? If you can't push off, you got a calf or stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And that's why it's so hard. That's why I'm like, man, damn. And, like you said, you know, you can train, you can do all that you want to, but it's not the same, Ocho, as if you running routes, getting tugged,
Starting point is 00:53:57 getting pushed against a DB. Not the same. You running routes against yourself and somebody's throwing you the ball, that's one thing. But man, with those shoulder pads on, that helmet on,
Starting point is 00:54:10 and guys bumping into you, the guys grabbing you, tugging you, it's a whole different animal. Why do you think everybody saw the third day at camp? Mind you, you've been training the whole time
Starting point is 00:54:20 during the offseason. Ain't nothing like that, bro. You come to camp in a structured environment, now you're sore. The whole team in the cold tub is Ain't nothing like that, bro. In a structured environment, now you sore. The whole team in the cold tub is for a reason because it's different once you're in that structured environment.
Starting point is 00:54:31 And guess what? In the third day, always 9-0-7. God dang it! Oh, it's your bad. You got that old man. That rigor mortis does say it. Yeah, baby. You walk it. man. That rigor mortis just said it. Yeah, baby. You walking.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Like you walking on hot nails. Oh, I remember them days. Hey, boy, it's hot in here, boy. It's hot in here. Y'all had me worked up. I was on one. Y'all see? Your AC don't work?
Starting point is 00:55:00 My AC messed up. Yeah. Yeah, AC man coming tomorrow. Yeah, I was sweating like a one-leg man in the ass-kicking contest. You ever see the one-leg man in the ass-kicking contest, Ocho? Uh-uh. Man, he got a jump-up kick. Because he ain't got no stabilizing leg.
Starting point is 00:55:16 He ain't got no one leg. That's how I was sweating, Ocho. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season's all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family.
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Starting point is 00:59:35 and the first time since week 2020, Gardner Minshew will be a week one starter. Minshew prevailed over the Raiders quarterback competition against second year quarterback Aiden O'Connell, who finished his rookie campaign as the team starter over the Raiders quarterback competition against second-year quarterback Aiden O'Connell, who finished his rookie campaign as the team starter over the last nine games. Raiders to start Garner Minshew week one versus the Chargers. What you think? Throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Throw the ball to 17. Throw the ball to 17. It ain't rocket science. It's not rocket science. And whoever the – I don't know who the offensive coordinator is. Put 17 in positions that make plays. It's simple. It's not hard. He's the best rock runner
Starting point is 01:00:12 in the NFL still. I know the Young Bulls. I know the Young Guns. Everybody gonna mention him. Oh, he's the best. No. The best rock runner in the NFL is still Devontae Adams. Oh, Devontae. Yeah, for sure. Come on, now. And we got some great route runners. Guys from Alabama.
Starting point is 01:00:27 You got Ridley. You got Coop. You got Keenan Allen. You got guys that can run routes. Chase, Justin Jefferson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Adams. It's different. Bad Adams. Bad Adams.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Hey. And being around him I know you saw the interview that I had with him being around him and listen how he talks his mind he thinks like I was like damn bro I'm like you think like I think
Starting point is 01:00:59 yeah he's sharp man he's sharp he ain't just cause I didn't run routes just thinking about that oh I'm gonna get up on this route no man I'm thinking about third and fourth quarter cause this here right right here I'm gonna show you this route right here
Starting point is 01:01:15 but I got something else coming off this same route and while you think you hey you know what I thought about running the out route but I saw you over there so I'm gonna go on over here I'm gonna go on over here. I'm going on over here and run this basic cross on you. And that's how he thinks. He's like, I'm setting things up in my head. Oh, you
Starting point is 01:01:33 think you sitting on this one? You ain't. You're not. It's tough, though, Joe. When you've had, I mean, think about it. He went from Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Unless you go to Mahomes or Burrell, it ain't
Starting point is 01:01:49 going to be no upgrade. It ain't no upgrade then, but I'm saying, if you go to Mahomes, but I'm saying, Ocho, but you got a level playing field. You go from Aaron Rodgers and then you go, you had Jimmy G. I mean, even with his homeboy,
Starting point is 01:02:06 but he knew Carr. He played with Carr at Fresno. His college, yeah. Yes, so they held on the same, hey, they could run, they could run routes in their sleep
Starting point is 01:02:14 because they knew each other so well. But, you know, I view, I view Devontae because he's so good at manipulating his routes and being able to get open. Regardless of who the quarterback was,
Starting point is 01:02:25 I viewed him in a sense just like DeHop. When DeHop had a quarterback carousel, it didn't matter who was at the helm. The offensive coordinator put DeHop in positions to get the ball. And when the ball was coming his way, he caught it. He gonna get it. I see Devontae the same way. Offensively, they don't useae the same way. Offensively,
Starting point is 01:02:47 they don't use him the same way in putting him in positions. They just run the offense. They just run the offense. And if he's open, he's open. If not, that's where the frustration came in last year. He had a season, but not a season that we're used to seeing. No, no, no, no, no, Devontae. I hope that changes. I mean,
Starting point is 01:03:03 if he ain't getting somewhere between 13 and 1,500 yards, it's like. Yeah, something ain't right. Because that's the expectations, and that's the level of consistency in which he's set forth. So anything less than that, we're like, damn, bro. And people looking at him, but that's what happens, Ocho, is that when a wide receiver numbers start to dissipate, okay,
Starting point is 01:03:24 let's look at why they ain't looking at the quarterback they thought now he he can't run no more he can't get open bro y'all see who throwing me the ball stop this foolishness yeah i don't see you throwing me the ball i hate that narrative i hate that narrative i i hate it i hate it so bad i hate it so bad but he gonna be all right. Gardner Minshew, I know you're going to see this. 17. Oh, and they got that young boy now. They got that young boy from Georgia over there
Starting point is 01:03:51 too now. Oh, yeah. Bowers. Yeah, Brock Bowers. And Buddy Knight, that's a nice security banker so it shouldn't be no excuses. I'm not sure who the running back is because Josh Jacobs is gone. Who's the running back? Josh Jacobs is in Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:04:07 But who they bring in, though? I don't know. He was already there, wasn't he? No, he just left. The Mayor White? He was already there? They brought in Madison. Madison? He was at Minnesota. Okay. they brought in Madison Madison
Starting point is 01:04:25 he was at Minnesota okay Madison yeah let's go okay Ocho the Vikings played their preseason game on Saturday without J.J. McCarthy who will miss the entire 2024 season with a knee injury after the win at Cleveland
Starting point is 01:04:44 coach Kevin O'Connell was asked whether the news will have galvanizing effect on the team. I think our guys are pretty confident in Sam Donald. I do. When Nick Mullins got an opportunity last year, he was very, very explosive as an offense. His ability to run the show and really highlight a lot of different aspects
Starting point is 01:05:00 of our offense with his understanding is something. That's why Nick is here. He's a guy we really respect and respect his prep and his experience. What do you think the Vikings ceiling is with Sam Darnold? Let me see. Sam Darnold.
Starting point is 01:05:17 He's in that division. And the Lions, who won that division. I mean, it's going to be tough. And you believe Chicago will be better? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Look what they had to work with. It's going to be tough. Jordan Addison is out, right?
Starting point is 01:05:33 For how long? Was it ankle? Angles? Something like that? Well, the thing is, you know, he got caught with no liquor license. That's what happened? He got a speeding ticket. He got a speeding ticket with no liquor license. That's what happened? He got a speeding ticket. He got a speeding ticket with a DUI.
Starting point is 01:05:49 He got hurt, huh? Hold on. That's the second DUI too, I think. He got a DUI in July, Ocho. You know the NFL gonna and he got injured. Yeah. The NFL don't care about it. You know the NFL gonna want a couple of games for that DUI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The NFL don't care about it.
Starting point is 01:06:05 You know the NFL going to want a couple of games for that DUI. Oh, shoot. You know how the NFL operate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's going to be tough.
Starting point is 01:06:13 You know, I think, I think, unless they can get him going early, early in the season and get him touches early, it's going to be tough for Justin. He might be a little frustrated. Sam Donald, I like him.
Starting point is 01:06:25 But what the sample size we got to see with him at the Panthers, the sample size we got to see with him at the Jets, the sample size we got to see with him at the 49ers, if I'm not mistaken, right? 49ers as well? Mm-hmm. Eh.
Starting point is 01:06:42 I mean, you're only as good as your supporting cast, I always say, but you got Justin Jefferson. I would like to think you're going to be okay. You have a running back. You have a good running back that takes some of the pressure off of you. I would like to think you're going to be okay. If you don't have Jordan Addison,
Starting point is 01:06:58 who's the number two that takes the pressure off Justin Jefferson? Jordan Addison. No, they have number 17. They got another receiver that's really good, Ojo. I forgot his last name. He's nice. Yeah, he's nice. Yeah, he's nice.
Starting point is 01:07:13 But when defenses come out the huddle, they ain't saying, you know what, let's watch for 17. No. No, we're locking in on JJ. Yeah. He'd have to go dumbass haywire like right away and make the most of everything to even that playing field so they have to play honest or they got to pick your poison one or the
Starting point is 01:07:37 other no what's his name? No, no, no, no. Rager. No, Jalen Rager. No, that's not him. B.J. Osborne. He said his name was B.J. Osborne. Naylor? Okay.
Starting point is 01:07:57 No, that's not him. Hey, somebody in the chat said the Vikings going to be 1-17. Oh, man. That's funny, man. It's on you, Sam Donald, baby. Yeah, it's going to be on him. He better play well. Oh, Osborne gone.
Starting point is 01:08:19 He went to the pass. Yeah, Osborne. That's who it was. Yeah. He gone. He went to the pass. But, Osborne. That's who it was. Yeah. He went to the pass. But who the hell is number two? Well, it's going to be Jordan Addison.
Starting point is 01:08:30 But he got a DUI and he got carted off the field. Yeah. So he's going to miss some time. You think they're going to suspend him? When is the NFL not suspending somebody for a DUI? Go back to your time playing and my time playing. When have they not? You're right.
Starting point is 01:08:50 You're right. That's normally at least a game or two. Damn. Yeah, I want to know who the number two is. Oh, you know they got, no, Hawkinson. Wait. Yeah, but Hawkinson is there, but he's coming off that ACL. Oh, you know they got, no, Hawkinson. Wait. Yeah, but he's coming,
Starting point is 01:09:06 Hawkinson is there, but he's coming off that ACL. Remember, he tore his ACL. That's right, that's right. Late in the season. Wait, who's the tight end in Detroit? Sam. Laporta.
Starting point is 01:09:17 Laporta. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay. I'd be getting them mixed up, man. They got some good, they got some good, some good young tight ends, man. Komet, Laporta, Hawkinson. There's one more.
Starting point is 01:09:30 I can't think of his name. Kelsey? No, I'm talking about one of the young bulls. Oh, okay. Oh, they got a butt? Which one from Iowa? Hawkinson and Laporta from Iowa. And Kittle. All of them from Iowa. Kkinson and Laporta from Iowa. And Kittle.
Starting point is 01:09:46 Kittle from Iowa. Kittle from Iowa too? Yes. Jalen Naylor is the number two. Naylor, yeah. Ocho, earlier today, Peyton Manning named his top five quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm going to see if they're going to hate on Peyton. He's got Patrick Mahomes, one.
Starting point is 01:10:08 Joe Burrow, two. Justin Herbert, three. Lamar Jackson, four. Josh Allen, five. I like his list. The first two, I mean, it ain't rocket science, the first two.
Starting point is 01:10:26 After that, what would you do after that? Who would you, who would your three, four, and five be? Chat, who would your three, four, and five be? What do you think? Well, I mean, anytime we hate, if we don't put Lamar, if I don't put Lamar Jackson, number one, I'm a hater. So, you know,
Starting point is 01:10:48 if I, who's the best quarterback in the NFL? If Shannon Sharp doesn't say Lamar, oh, that's Shannon Rocker for those white boys. You know how, you know how, he love them bunnies.
Starting point is 01:10:59 So I can't win. So I just, I, this is what Peyton, this is his list. Right. Damn. I mean, no Dak, no Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Huh? I mean, who you putting Dak over? I'm thinking in my head. I'm thinking in my head. I'm not saying put him over nobody. Who you put on this list, who you putting? First of all, when I
Starting point is 01:11:28 said, now this is what Peyton said. When I said Brock Purdy wasn't that, they killed me. You don't know what you're talking about. Kill Peyton. I need y'all to chat. I need y'all to kill Peyton like y'all killed Shannon. Because when I told
Starting point is 01:11:43 Gage about this, you got mad at me right what hey could you could you josh allen is interchangeable you know i mean you can have i don't want to i just need to chat i need to chat to kill Peyton like they killed me. When I talked about Purdy, when I made my list, I'm a hater. I don't know anything. I didn't play the position. Well, you got a guy that played 18, 19 years, won five MVPs, one of the top three or four quarterbacks to ever play the game. He gave you his list, and y'all ain't said a damn thing.
Starting point is 01:12:23 Somebody said Peyton was tweaking too. Y'all ain't said a damn thing. Somebody said Peyton was tweaking too. Y'all ain't said a damn thing. Y'all talk crazy to me. Y'all got me also scared to give a list. I'll just say that. I ain't scared to give a list. I'll give a damn what y'all think. Give my list.
Starting point is 01:12:37 I like, you know what? I would take Justin Herbert out. I put Lamar Jackson at four. I mean, I put Lamar Jackson at four. I mean, I put Lamar Jackson at three. And four, I would go C.J. Stroud. I guess Peyton said he'd need to see a little more.
Starting point is 01:12:55 That's probably why C.J. Stroud, if C.J. Stroud repeats what he does again this season, if you ask Peyton Manning the same question next year, after this season ends, C.J. Stroud will be up there and probably be at number three. Yeah. But I like Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I'll go C.J. Stroud.
Starting point is 01:13:13 And five is interchangeable. Hell, you can go five. You can go Jalen Hurts. It's based on preference. You can go Jalen Hurts. You can go Josh Allen. You can go Dak. It's based on what you want.
Starting point is 01:13:23 You can go my young boy in Green Bay. Join Love. You can go Dak. It's based on what you want. You can go my young boy in Green Bay. Join Love? You can go Join Love at five. Five is interchangeable. You can go Justin Herbert, depending on who you like. I think if you look, I don't think I would take Lamar over Justin Herbert. That's me. I would take Lamar over Justin Herbert. That's me. I would.
Starting point is 01:13:46 Right. But like you said, look, the only thing that you can't get any debate on is who's number one. That and number two. So if you like, okay, yeah,
Starting point is 01:13:56 but yeah, I mean, you look at Lamar's regular in the regular season, right? You're going to say Lamar's number two. If you just like a regular season resume, but if you look at what Joe's done, joe went on the road he beat buffalo he went on the road he beat tennessee he went on the road he beat patrick holmes something that only tom brady has done the man patrick holmes only lost what three playoff game in his in his career yeah he lost
Starting point is 01:14:20 to tom brady the afc championship game he lost lost to Joe Burr in a Championship game. He lost to Tom Brady in a Super Bowl. Other than that, I think if you put Lamar at three, and I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. I understand. Look. I would take Josh Allen over Justin Herbert. I would.
Starting point is 01:14:44 Yeah, probably. I think a lot of people would. I think a lot of people would. But what about golf? We got golf. We got Stafford, who's already won a Super Bowl, who's good, gunslinger, deserves to be in the conversation for top five. But I think it all comes down to preference.
Starting point is 01:15:02 And depending on who you put there, then everybody will be there, bring up all type of stats, discredit why they shouldn't be in the top five. You're right, Ochoa, you're right. Aaron Rodgers. I don't think look,
Starting point is 01:15:21 are we basing this on right now? Because they and Aaron Rodgers is a top 100 player and the dude played four plays yeah that's based on what he had already done and already accomplished that's not how it was supposed to be you're supposed to be on the 2023 season right the man played four plays Ocho yeah yeah and that's what used to that used to what used to get me about the pro bowl guys this ain't a lifetime achieving award the guy didn't have a good season yeah i understand what he has been yeah but that's not what he was this year at times it was a popularity contest
Starting point is 01:15:59 i said if a guy play if a guy is a no namename and he plays better, he got to be in there. But like you said, Ocho, it's just a matter of… Yeah, when you get the four and five, I think it's preference. Yeah. I think, like you said, if you ask Peyton next year this time. C.J. Stroud will be in there. C.J. Stroud, your love might be up there. Caleb Williams might sneak in there based on how he plays.
Starting point is 01:16:34 What if Caleb Williams has a repeat season of what C.J. Stroud had his first year? Well, hell, C.J. ain't making so how the hell Caleb going to make it? I mean, I'm just, okay, you make it I mean I'm just okay you right but I'm just saying that's a good one though a four and five it all comes down to preference it's gonna be very interesting to see because
Starting point is 01:16:57 CJ Stroud has set the bar so high for himself we're expecting we're expecting that and that's what happens is that patrick mahomes you don't compare patrick mahomes to any other quarterback you compare him to his own greatness himself yeah that's why we said man patrick mahomes i mean there are a lot of quarterbacks that like to pass for 4200 yards have 27 touchdowns and 14 picks yeah but when you've thrown 50 touchdowns and 10 interceptions,
Starting point is 01:17:27 and you've had another season where you've thrown for 5,000 yards, 4,800 yards, you're like, man, what's wrong with my homeboy? That's what I mean, right? That's it. We're saying at the beginning of the season last year, when everybody had butterfingers. We're saying at the beginning of the season last year when everybody had Butterfingers. Ocho, Cowboys third round O-lineman Cooper Beebe
Starting point is 01:17:50 practicing playing center with his mom in their backyard. Check out this video. Yeah. Okay. That's cute. Mama, what kind of shotgun is she in? She too far back. Okay. Hey, man, they coming they hitting hey that's dope i like it i like it look nice nice good story nice little feel good story so
Starting point is 01:18:15 is he the starting center obviously if he was picking the third round as a center he must be he must be playing right away i don't know if he's playing right away, but it's just, you know, hey, let's get some snaps just in case. You never know. But you won't play away from being the starter. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. Did you see, it's another video of a mama teaching her son.
Starting point is 01:18:37 A little young son to play tackle? Yeah. Yeah, that was loud. Mom doing a great job telling me, hey, kid, keep your outside hand free. Keep it up. I'm like, damn, okay, mom. Hey, you must have been a D-line coach at some point in time. Listen, YouTube teach you everything. The Volume.
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