Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc and Ocho react to the Top 10 trash talkers and Ocho responds to Cris Carter

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the top 10 NFL trash talkers of all time, Ocho responds to Cris Carter and his comments about his career and Big Ben says he’s taking Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes and much more!   08:00 Wideout Camp19:10 Top 10 Trash Talkers in NFL History27:20 Cam calls Unc and Ocho out on trash talking34:55 Chris Carter had some words for Ocho42:45 Big Ben on having Rodgers or Mahomes on his team58:30 Mahomes not a fan of extending NFL season   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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ground again. Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host. He did a lot more on his vacation than I did in mine, but we both arrived back at the exact same time. That is, you know, the rock-roader extraordinaire, the bingles ring of fame moderators, the pro bowlers, the all-pro. That pro that Liberty City's own that's Chad Ocho Seco Johnson. Ocho, what'd he do? But what's up, baby? Hey, listen, I'm I'm feeling good. I didn't gain about about 1015 pounds. Um I had a great a great vacation. Yeah. Yeah. I can see. I saw. I saw. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I had me. I had me a good old time. I'm I'm sure I'm sure you did as well. Yeah, you know me. I went home, saw the kids, saw the grandkids, and I was back here, you know, just... I ain't much of a getaway type of person, man. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. But you know, we'll get to that in just a second. Guys, thank you. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button.

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Shea Shea Media and my clothing company 84, with that link being pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. As I said, Ocho, we are back. Now, you know, there might be some people that not not be happy that we back but we back and better than ever and we can't wait. Hey, we ain't gonna wait for a football season to start. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. You know, we do. We we gotta

get back into our grind, Ocho, cuz you know come football season is five nights a week. So we get very limited time off. So it's like Sunday, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Go ahead, Ocho. Hold on, you say five nights a week? Wait a minute, football season ain't nothing but Monday, Thursday and Friday, Monday, Thursday and Saturday.

I mean, Sunday. Man, you know we got college football on Saturday nights. Okay, okay. And then we have that bridge from Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. Okay. Okay. That's four days. No. Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Okay. Okay. Oh, I'm glad you got very good accounts to keep your money straight for you. You know what I'm saying? Cause you'll be end up giving up. You giving up hundreds for fifties, but that's okay. That's what I'm here for to keep, to keep you all going to keep you on point.

Oh, let's jump right into it. Before we get into some topics, tell us about your why that camp. Cause there's like the D lineman got a camp. Yeah. Tide ends have what they call tidy you. And I think you started what you call wide receiver workout camp last week. The clip of you being emotional and grateful to the guys that showed up. In that case, chat hasn't seen it yet.

We're gonna play this clip for you. Take a look at it. You all know how much I love the game. You know how much I love y'all. Right, throughout the years, you've tweeted about every last one of y'all. So you already know how I feel about you. And they brought the idea to me. I talked to the court, Right throughout the years you've tweeted about every last one of y'all so you already know how I feel about you and um

They brought the idea to me I thought the court I thought some of y'all boys yesterday and I was scared I was scared to To make that call because Yes, sir What's up? What's up? She deserves it, man. You deserve it, man. That's why we gotta come together. We here for you, bro. We're here to watch your ass. We're here to watch your ass. We're here to come together, you feel me?

We're here to watch you, bro. Hey, it's a lot of pride. You go in a receiver position. Honestly, I thought some of the big boys and just any of y'all, y'all busy. I'm busy. You know how that ass be. So for you to show up, that's the word to me. Like I don't cry normally.

And I really ain't really ashamed to do it in front of y'all. I swear to God, I appreciate you. Swear to God. And I look forward to what we do tomorrow. We're gonna keep talking, talk about the game of football. I don't want to ruin you to death, but I want to get into what you need to work on and improve, you know?

Where you can get back to work and feel good about something new that you got in your store from somebody else, somebody else's game, you know? Other than that, let's all get out of this rain, man. Like, I seriously shoot y'all, man. Clap it out, y'all, clap it out, clap it out, clap it out. Hey, hey, that was dope. That was a good feeling, a good feeling.

A lot of people probably watching with not great understanding about the love I have for the game. Not just the game in general but the craft when it comes to that artwork when it comes to playing the position of receiver and how much I embedded in love that artistry and for those fellas to show up, for the big boys to actually show up for me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot. For one, for me to be so far removed from the game and to want to help those that are

still playing and finding tweaks and things that they can improve on and add to their game, there's nothing that we have as a collective group, as receivers, we can all get together under one umbrella and talk about the game of football, talk about route running, and anything that comes along with that. Ways to manipulate defenses, ways to give illusions that you run at full speed then when you really not. Just little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself. And, and, um, but boy showed up, they showed up because I look at them as a fan. I don't look at them as Ocho that's already played. I look at them in all, like I'm looking up to them and they tried to get me to see fool you tripping. We look up to you

because we still studying your stuff from way back then. But I don't view myself like that or in that light, which is why the emotion and the tears came from. Like, I can't believe it. They actually showed up. T. Higgins, Jamal Chase, Corla's son, Jerry, we talk about people that are already established in the league that have got their big paydays. They ain't got, they don't have to come out here. They don't have to but it's a testament forget them coming for me a testament where they are with their game and wanting to improve and get better at their craft and what they do.

Well, you want to get better. I mean if they have it I guarantee you if they have a convention and they invite the top 100 Tech guys, I guarantee they're going to show up. Because iron sharpens iron, you know, we got to get out of you if they have a convention and they invite the top 100 tech guys I guarantee they're gonna show up because iron sharpens iron you know we got to get out of this illusion where I don't want to give away no secrets I don't want to give away no secrets and I'm trying to do this I keep this to myself what good is all this knowledge if you hoard it somebody had to you I don't care what any receiver tells you he did not learn or forget the position. He did not learn everything on his own.

He got it from somewhere. Right. So and instead of you sharing it you want to hoard it. Now, what if somebody would have done that to you? What if somebody would have hoard of that information and teach you how to bend and how to dip? Yeah. Oh, or somebody teach you how to snatch pull.

So now you get the information but see see, that's how we are. See, a lot of times, Ocho, we'll get up. Now we'll use the ladder to get up. And once we get up, we'll pull the ladder up to make sure nobody else get up there with us. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. How many times have we seen that? We see it a lot.

I ain't gonna get political with you, but we see a lot of that. A lot of people came through immigration. Now they got over here, kick that ladder down, you ain't getting up here. I'm here now, so damn you. And a lot of times athletes have that same mentality. Somebody in part take, and maybe it wasn't publicly,

maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone in part gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding. You wanna pretend like you got that all on your own. What I like most, Ocho, because a lot of times these guys forget that there was somebody before them. And it seems like if it didn't happen

in the internet age, it didn't happen. Oh man, I don't know about that guy. When I got got a hundred and something, a hundred and something touchdown, that guy have 15, 16, 17,000 yards. Oh, you thought they just started playing wide receiver like 30 years ago? Right.

I like sometimes, sometimes not all, there's no such thing as all every. Guys forget, I forget not taking women out of this. You can talk about the WNBA. We'll talk about that a later date and time. I'm just talking about men in professional sports. It's almost like we want to poo poo. The one thing that I've never done is I've never forgot the guys that laid the foundation from the Mackeys to the dickers to the Aussies to the Winslow to seconds to the Jackie Smith guys like that Raymond Chesters. I know I know the history of that position. I know the history of the tight end

position and of the NFL. So therefore I'm greatly greatly appreciative. But that was great. That was really great to see. I'm glad you got an opportunity hopefully, hopefully you can get sponsors like we see at Tidy and You, and it gets bigger and bigger and better and better year after year. So that kudos to you. Yeah, most definitely. We had a- Taking time out of your busy schedule

and say, you know what guys, I wanna bring you guys together and then partake some of the wisdom that I've been given over the course of the years. And maybe only one to two people got something out of what you said or what someone else said. But that was success because that was information they wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.

Yeah, it was dope. And my favorite part of the two days that we had together was sitting there talking, obviously to Jerry G. I'm talking to all Elijah Moore, KJ Osborne, all them boys. But the greatest conversation that I really enjoyed was me, Uno, obviously Jamar Chase, Jerry Judy and Coraline Sutton. And we had a 30 minute discussion, I'm talking about a good 30 on ways to beat Pat Surtane

Jr. Hey, Unc, we set, I swear for God. The first thing they all say, Judy, he's so long. He's so patient. Chase say anything short, you're not gonna be able to run it. And the conversation about Pat is a testament to him to how great he is and how good he is. And of course, I said what I could, we went back and forth.

It was a great dialogue on that. Then they all talked about the other DBS that are very, very difficult, not as long, but technically sound and savvy. They talked about Denzel Ward on how difficult, Chase talked about how difficult it is to go- Small, great feet. Yeah. When you play him, you got to be on your

Ps and Qs. They talked about Stingley. When you play Stingley, you got to be on your Ps and Qs. Obviously, there are other great deeps and backs in the NFL, but the way those dudes praised Pat Surtang, Stingley, and Denzel Ward, man, it was wonderful was it was wonderful wonderful thing to help pat who is his dad so his dad was a pro bowler yes sir so he had great so the first thing i noticed about pat certain when he got to alabama i say this for a freshman this dude is technically sound like he should be in the league already you look at him and there's no wasted motion. There's nothing, there ain't no, you know, he try, hey, boom, if you release inside, boom. Stabbing every time.

Bam. Stabbing every time. I'm like, damn, he technically sound. Damn ain't no wasted motion. I mean, he get, he, bam. And with that, with that back foot plant, he driving. Yeah, every time. But as he talked about, we had him on Ocho and he would have to be one of the defensive player of the year.

And we talked to him. Yes. They study. I'm looking at formations. I'm looking at splits. I'm looking at down in distance. I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking at, OK, the personnel, all that. That's why you need.

That's why you need to be smart as a football player, because you got to be able to process that in an instant. Yeah, he who hesitate in sports is beat. Yeah It's a game inches, you know And in the NFL unless it's a blown coverage. Yeah, you throw people open Yeah, and these guys in this league are good enough to throw a receiver open. Yeah open. Yeah. And these guys in this league are good enough to throw a receiver open. Yeah. So it ain't go. You can't waste motion because the really good receivers are not going to waste motion. Hey, all that dropping your arms. Hey, you telling the

DB I'm about to stop. The ball going the other way. You guys you guys were telling a dude I'm about to run this out. Break on it. Yeah. Because that's what's gonna happen. So it was great to see you in that environment, Ocho. I know you love everything about coaching

except coaching yourself because you damn sure ain't gonna put those, you ain't gonna wanna put that kind of hours in and be on time. That's what time's the night. No, no, no. I want you to come out there and talk to him during the summer.

You ain't gonna be the coach. Yeah, but listen, I can't coach in a structured environment, but when it comes to talking the game of actually route running, getting open, understanding what's across from you and how to beat it, now that I can do. Now that I can do- But you know what I noticed, Ocho? What about the run blocking? I ain't see you do none of that.

Oh, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Now, if you look, if you if you look at my stats statistically, this is one of the things that really aren't aren't shown statistically. I'm the greatest run blocker in the history of the NFL. Oh, Lord, that is not true. I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you. Now, when you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen when it comes to plan

receiver. Sometimes the indicator is just being who you are in general. Yeah. And all I got to do, sometimes I ain't got to touch nobody. I just run off and I take three people with me. Well, I think the thing is for the, you look at the West coast, you look at West coast offenses, those guys got a block or you're not getting the ball. You look at a guy like a Heinz Ward, who made his name in the league. Before he was able to catch,

end up catching a thousand passes, he was known as a blocker. He was physical. I mean, Heinz, he took pride. He's like, when y'all try to tear my head off, when I got the ball in my arms, now I get an opportunity to peel your cap, I'm peeling it all the way back to the white meat.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Now you said Heinz Wolff was physical. Now that's not to take nothing away from me. Now I was a very physical blocker. That's it you gave. It's not my game but it was part I had it in my repertoire when I needed it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a uh it's a tool that you didn't use. So you know how people got a toolbox and they got all the tools in there

and they only use the flat head or the Phillips head screwdriver. They use the vice grips. They use the monkey wrench. And they use the adjustable wrench. That's it. But they got a hundred apparatus in there. But at the end of the day,

it's all about getting the job done. Yes sir. Whether you, whether you got, if you got force, you push that corner and then come down on it because they don't let you crack no more, Ocho. Oh no. It's sir. Whether you whether you got if you got force you push that corner and then come down on because they don't let you crack no more. Oh, Joe. Oh, no. It's hard. It's the harder the harder the block because you know, you used to be able to push that push the corner and then see that safety creeping down there and come on down

and crack him now. They blind side. That's what they call it blind side block the fist man. Yeah, head on the swivel bro. All you gotta do you You just stand in the way. Fold your arms. Oh, you gotta move because the pile of get you. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The pilot. You gotta worry about that pile of so you gotta keep

your feet moving. You know, hey we all been rolled up on. Yeah. Keep them feet. It ain't no damn fun. All your foot pro football addict named the top ten trash talkers in NFL history This leak this listen this list is bulljive because yours truly isn't on it number one Chad Ocho Cinco Number two Smitty Steve Smith senior three Richard Sherman number four me number five Deon number six

Philip Rivers number seven to number eight subs number. Number eight, Suggs. Number nine, Ray Lewis. Number ten, Courtland Sutton. I feel I should be number one, but- Whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I know you feel you should be number one. I should. I know you feel you should be number one, but you have to understand. You have to understand.

The art of trash talking is me. It represents me. If the art of trash talking was in the dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You represents me. If the autumn trash talking was in the dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You were great at trash talking. You were great at it. You were best. Let me let me let me stay with me now. You were great at it. But you have to understand I took it to levels never seen or done before. Okay, there's a certain entertainment value to the

trash talk that I provided. I was talking trash, right? Let me stay with me real quick, just real quick. On a losing team and I can fill a stadium with my trash talk alone. So the seats, we sold out because they come to see what I'm finna do based off what I said. You see what I'm saying? You see where I'm going?

Yeah, come on, come on now, stay with me now. This is different. So when I play away, they come in to see what he's going to do next based off of what he said. Now the pressure was on me to be able to make sure I gave people their money's worth after I did all the talking. That's pressure in itself. So yeah, I'm not taking nothing away from you. You were great at what you did. But it just, I just had a different aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk.

What clip do they show all the time? Call the National Guard. Me calling the National Guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh Joe, you do realize I had a coach, a coach resign and a player got suspended because I was trash talking. Right. I got you.

I got you. I got you. But you got to understand, listen, I lost money behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to my opponents and secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk. The bravado in which I brought to the game is a little different. Now you did, you used, hey listen, you was phenomenal. You have to remember I did it in a losing effort, in a losing atmosphere. Just to make it fun for those watching and those attending.

I need to be mic'd up more, without getting into it. Because you know, Ocho, you realize like you don't talk as much when you mic'd up, because the simple fact is people are going to think, oh, he don't do that much talking. He's just doing this because he mic'd up. See, the difference is, right, Notice I never wore a mouthpiece. I just had mouthpiece. I didn't wear a mouthpiece because I need to be able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game. Yeah. Yeah. And the problem is, this is the thing.

I'm not talking. I think you talk Steve Smith talk trash to get the person angry. Yeah. Richard Sherman talk trash to get the person angry. Cam Newton. I saw his little clip earlier about him being the best trash talker and says he gets people upset. I'm not trying to get you upset. I don't want you mad. I want you happy.

I just need to see if you can engage with me and converse with me in the middle of a game. I got you mentally. You already beat. I don't care what I don't care what you get. You get mad. You get happy at the end of the day. Right, bro. Right. Titus. Titus. What's up? What? Titus, where you been

at? What? What they do twin? You supposed to be holding it down. So, who did you show up for work? That's what I need to do. Who did you show up for work? Huh? Oh, Titus. Look at my dog, man. My dog chillin, man. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you. Uh man, you ain't you ain't even let me see him. Hold on.

Thanos. Wait, you named him Thanos? Yeah. Well, god damn. He that big? Where do you see him? Cheryl, bring Thanos. Oh, I know that. Hey, I know that joke of big. How much you weigh about 160? What the hell? That teddy bear? You weigh four pounds. That ain't Teddy Bear? Hello everybody. My name is Thanos. What? He ain't gonna grow no more? Yeah, he maxed out Ocho. That's it.

You gotta give him a better name than that like Pee Wee. Nah, he don't wanna be no Pee Wee. He say I'm big. He say I run stuff around here. He say tired to get a bone. I take it. I like that. What happened to Teddy Bear? Teddy Bear on the couch. How did they get along?

Man, he be he be he be harassing Teddy Bear like something crazy. Yeah, I had the other one. I had baby. Right. Teddy Bear was a nuisance was a menace. Right. I mean the other one couldn't get no peace.

Now all he doing is repaying the favor. Okay, okay, I got it, I got it, I got it. I like that, I like that. But how much, I don't mean to be in your pocket, but how much that was there? No, you get focused. Huh? I ain't, I don't mean to be in your pocket,

I'm just curious how much that was there. You know, you look a little something. You know know I can't tell you where I got in front cuz you know It'll been a tariff on it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I understand. I know that I noticed you really want to answer that question I'm still trying to I just want to know the numbers on it. That's it Little so you know, you know little treat myself. I ain't bought myself nut, you know, okay Okay, I still got the same, the same range, the same BMW. So, you know, I said, you know what? Let me get myself some. I ain't bought a watch. I ain't bought no clothing. And so, you know, Right. Right. Right.

That was my, that was my birthday gift that I got early. Okay. Okay. Well, but listen, listen, listen, listen, I'm, listen, I told you, I told you, I got a dude out of Liberty City, right? I got a dude in Liberty City, gets you everything exotic. From animals to dogs to pets to whatever. I could have got you that. I could have got you that for 200. Now I'm just saying, what's that? A teacup, right?

Teacup, pom-pom? No, he's regular size. He's not gonna get much bigger than that. Teacups, I mean teacups, they'd be like three pounds. They have a lot of health issues. You said he was four pounds, though. He four pounds. He'll probably top out at about six.

Okay, okay, that's cool. Cause I got my dog, my dog in Liberty City, his name Lonzo. You need to get you a puppy. You need to get you something to keep you grounded. You travel too much. I can't do that. All my furniture white here.

I don't want no dogs running around here. I ain't got no time for that. Everything in here's white. You know, you could you know, you can train an animal, right? Yeah I got that kind of time. I got that kind of time Alright, so the top two top ten trash talkers. Oh Joe is number one Smitty number two sherm three myself is four time is five Philip Rivers. I think about it a myself is four, time is five, Philip Rivers, think about it, a quarterback has made the list. Hey, he be, he don't curse, but he funny though. He be talking though. God dog it.

Hey, with that one, when you threw that touchdown against Jacksonville and he screamed at the whole guys here. Hey, hey, hey, ref, tell him that's true. Okay. I will scream in your ear. No, you won't. I will scream in your ear. No, you won't. Tio, Suggs, Sugar and Cortland Fidaget. Oh, yeah. That's a nice little list. It's a nice list. It is. It is. I mean, I'm sure some people will look at the list.

They will disagree with the numerical order. Oh, I got one. John Randall. You got to have Johnny on that. That's a good one. You got to have Johnny on that. Johnny be talking about. We came out the same draft in 1990. Johnny was, people don't know this, but Johnny was a free agent. Johnny got drafted as a 230-pound defense, 230.

He was 230 at the defense alignment. Oh yeah. And turned himself into one of the great DTs that had a relentless motor. Yes, sir. Yeah, DT, he was nice. Jay was nice, boy. Apparently, DT, he was nice. J was nice, boy. Apparently, Cam called us out to think he's a better trash talker.

Let's listen to what Cam had to say. When it comes to putting these nouns and verbs, you know what I'm saying? Putting it together, it comes down to just being witty. You dig what I'm saying? Is that Atlanta and you? Yeah, I'm trying to tell you, Peggy. Sometimes you got to point your toes east and west to let everybody know who's the actual best.

And I have no disrespect to Unc, Uncle Shay, and Chad, Chadwick Johnson, huh? But they would have hated me, because I'm going to get personal. You feel what I'm saying? You're going to do some recent. Oh yeah, we got to do that. I don't fight fair. Yeah. I don't talk fair.

But there's some truth behind everything that I say. And that's where I'm willing to go. Man, I say some outro to make your kids hate me. You see, you see that, see, he's, he's talking trash trying to get under someone's skin. That's not the type of trash talk I did. I talked trash in an entertainment value way. For fun to have fun to let you know, we going to compete. See, that's just talking.

I went, I took it the extra mile. Do people not realize the week before a game? I FedEx the secondary's gifts as a small way to taunt in a certain way. Nothing malicious, but to have fun. That was a token of your appreciation. Exactly. To let you know, I'm thinking of you.

D'Angelo. Oh, I sent them boys in Atlanta, I sent them gifts. Obviously we know what I did for the Steelers. I had a sponsorship with Degree Deodorant. I sent the Ravens Secondary. I sent in Degree Deodorant as a gift, cause y'all stink. Or you gonna be stinkin' when I'm done with you.

Yeah, that's all that's all fun and love and you know before gate. So that's his type of trash talking. What I'm what I'm doing is completely do two different side sides of the spectrum, but I respect what he did, but he is nothing not even close. We're not in the same stratosphere when it comes to talking trash because for me, like I said, I went to an HBCU. Come on, that's all you do.

And if you go to an HBCU, I don't know who's out there listening that has been to an HBCU. But if you can't Joan, you can't. You ain't gonna survive. You can't survive. You ain't gonna survive. I mean, hey, y'all heard me going back and forth. I'm talking about, we just, this ain't no, you know, hey, I don't know who I'm a y'all y'all y'all heard me going back and forth. I'm talking about we just it just say no, you know, a I don't know who I'm gonna talk trash to in the game.

It all depends on who starts talking trash back or who started first. Right. I'm gonna get a start. You know, I'm gonna say something and I'm gonna see I will keep going until I a I'm gonna turn the door handle to see what which one's open because a lot of be locked don't show They ain't gonna say nothing to you. But I would keep, hey, everybody don't lock their doors at night. Right. You know what I'm saying?

If somebody run down on you, because you know, it used to be in the 70s and early, the 70s and 80s, you could sleep with your door open, let alone lock. Yeah. But now people get crazy out the door. You got to keep your hand on your thing. So with that being said, everybody locking the doors, but not everybody somebody

gonna forget. Oh yeah. Because they thought somebody else locked the door. Oh that's when I turned the handling and be going on in. Yeah. But Cam look I know you good, I know you good at putting things together you know adverbs and predicates and pronouns and adjectives. Oh no but when it come when it come when it come to lip sparring, I'm talking about just go. Yeah. Talk to him, Monk. And Cam, that's another thing. You worried about who's a better trash talker.

Yeah, I need to be practicing Madden. That's what you need to be doing. You need to be practicing Madden because I'm still waiting on that smoke. All that talking you're doing. And matter of fact, I got the new Madden already. I got Madden 26. So you practice it by the time, so when he get it, you're going to be proficient at it.

Matter of fact, the funny thing about it is, I am the best gamer. I'm the best Madden player in the world. I have an advantage over everyone else, because I'm a part of the production of the game in itself. So the fact that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable. Like I told you Cam, Cam and Dez Brian,

I love them fellas. They play for recreation. I play video games as a way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's why I don't understand when they come at me talk about beating me in a video game. What you talking about? My life getting cut off if I'm playing for bills.

You think I'm a miss my light bill and my mortgage because you think you're gonna beat me and Matt? Man, nigga, please. Well, my life is getting cut off. I ain't got, you know, I ain't got no got no central heating and cooling because if I got to play video games to pay bills. You gonna be in the dog? Ain't nothing jumping off.

No, I mean, the only thing I probably could, I probably can't even play. Oh, I probably, I mean, I think I played like, I used to play Ms. Pac-Man, play Josh or something like that, but I

was, I mean, we have no video. I mean, we could, we could go to the arcade. We get a couple of quarters. Right. Or we go, my sister would go wash clothes and they would have some video games or pool table, something like that, but I was. Nah nah shootin' pool now. Oh, you know

how to shoot. I beat Efron Reyes beat Minnesota fast. They call me Slim. Willie Muscone, Steve Miserat, hey. I don't know about that, but you gonna have to show me. D'Net Lee, Vivian. You got to show me. You got to show me. Best in the house, Ocho. You got to show me, because pool is what I do. Huh?

Pool is what I do. Listen, you know what they used to call me? I used to play at the pool hall, right? On 54th Street, right off of 10th Avenue, 12th Avenue. But they used to call me sugar cane. Cause my pool stick looked like sugar cane. It was green. My pool stick was green.

They called me sugar cane. You green if you think you could beat me? Man, you can't beat Slim. You can't beat Georgia Slim. Don't do it to yourself, please. You can't beat Georgia Slim. Who you think? I beat fast. I beat Minnesota fast.

Come on, man. Ask about me out here in the city, man. When it come to, hey listen, when it come to pool table, when it come to ping pong, that's what I do. When it come to handball, that's what I do. I beat the ish out of you in table tennis. Boy, boy listen, boy. Boy, I told you they call me sugar cane. I had a green pool stick.

They call me sugar cane. I'ma mess around and catch you one day. I'ma catch you one day somewhere. They gonna have a pool table in there. They gonna have a table tennis thing in there. Oh, wait, wait, wait. You ain't gotta catch me nowhere. I'll come with you at and we can go to a pool hall because we got plenty of them.

I bet you got your own stick. My stick right here. Oh Joe, I'll beat you with a broomstick. I don't need no damn pool cue to beat you. See you ain't you ain't no real you ain't no real pool player. You know, hey, hey to you to beat you. See, you ain't no real pool player. You ain't no- Best of the house. Hey, I'm a shark, man. They call me when somebody at the pool hall

that think they good. I'll let you win a couple of games, direct you back the money, then I come in there and whoop whoop. Nah, come on, man. Tighten up. Ocho, while we're away, there's some people that have some words for you.

For me? Chris Carter has some words for Ocho last week. He said there were points- Oh, yep. He said there were points in Chad's career would have had some words for you. For me? Chris Carter has some words for Ocho last week. Wait, me? He said there were points, oh, yep. He said there were points in Chad's career that you had to go out there and tell him what to do because he couldn't get open to save his life. He couldn't get open against average guys.

Chad Johnson scored double-digit touchdowns one time in his 11 years. I think I scored double-digit touchdowns six times. Scoring the football is the number one play as a receiver. No, I was not a burner. I ran four, six, four, six, five, but can do it every single day. Can do it for four quarters and be consistent at it.

Ocho? You know what that get? Child, please. What are we talking about? I'm just trying to figure out what, please. Well, what do we do? I don't know. I don't. I'm just trying to figure out what before I have a question before you even go. What the hell is that matter? What does it matter?

OK, you scored W in the touchdowns. OK, cool. You want a cookie? Right. OK. Julio, What brought this on? Have you had a conversation with, have you had you had a conversation with Cece? No, I don't, I don't need to have a question. So right. I heard also, he said, well,

he only had double digit touchdowns one season. So he's not a hall of famer. But does that mean Julio Jones is not a hall of famer either? Because Julio Jones only had double digits touchdowns one season. You had dumb, you had dumb nats sounds? Yeah. Well, sometimes I listen to things and everyone's situation is different, you know? Everyone's situation different.

Yeah. I mean, so stuff like that, I pay it no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and based on what they did, based on other people's situations were different. Obviously where I was, I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt. And I did one hell of a goddamn job. I don't care about what you did. I don't care about your numbers.

It don't make me none. Why is my name even being brought up? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't know why it was brought up. I don't, because like I'm trying to figure out. I don't know why it was brought up. I don't because like I said, Ocho me. I don't really listen to anybody else's podcast. I got enough thing to try to you know to try to make our podcast better than what it is and I got club Shae Shae.

So I'm trying to get gas and I'm going with the book is like okay, who do you think we should get blah blah blah. So I don't really have time to pay attention, but it just kept popping up not only on, kept popping up on Twitter. And then I saw it on the internet. I'm like, okay, what brought this about? I said, did Ocho say something about him or what transpired?

For one, you know, I don't talk about people. Let's talk about that. We definitely don't talk about people that do what we do. Never. And you know, I don't talk about people. Let's talk. Yeah, we definitely don't talk about people that do what we do. Never. And you know, I don't talk about nobody, you know, but you know, congratulations on everything you said. I'm happy for you, Chris Cardi. You double-digit touchdowns and your Hall of Fame and all that other good stuff. I love you. I wish you continued success and whatever it is you got going on, baby. I know what we're doing over here, though. I know where I'm going.

I'm going, I'm going that way. Maybe he wanted you to respond. I did respond. I just said I love him. No, but I'm saying I thought, I mean, I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way. Nah, nah, it goes back and forth. I ain't got time for that. I got kids. I got grandkids. I'm not fitting to go. Look what we did. We did. I can't. He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You can't go back and score no more touchdowns. Okay. Okay. We're right here. Hey, hold on. I'm still scoring touchdowns right now. Oh man, yes, you're doing that. You're doing a great job, oh man. I'm still scoring touchdowns in life.

He talking about when we played. I don't care about that. I'm scoring double-digit touchdowns right now. For sure. Come on, man. You're not seeing, you're not hearing where I'm coming from. I hear what you're saying. I know.

Come on, man. I know, but that's my thing is that sometimes we get called up and talk about what we used to do. We all were great. What you doing that? Talk to me. What you doing that? We were all great at once upon a time in our own right.

Okay. You know, you did what you did. I think CeC CC played 16 seasons. Wait, how many, how many you played? 16. How many I played? I don't know. Hell, you played. I think you played 11 to 12, didn't you?

11, how many? Hey, I played 11, he played 16. How many, how many yards you got? Man, look here. I'm just asking. I'm just trying, I'm trying to get a better understanding. How many yards you got? I don't ask ask you. How many yards does uh uh CC have? But okay, the chat says CC snapped because he was pissed at Ocho for saying that he could beat Travis in a one on match up 10 out of 10 times.

Why is he worried about? Well, we'd just be joking when we say stuff man. It ain't that serious. He knew that he knew that because I do the same thing with everybody. He just you do you just as I said Ocho can you not challenge everybody that come on here? Oh you you everybody that come on here can get that work. You hit me and Travis. you. You. Everybody that come more seasons and I had 11? I guess, yeah.

Okay, okay, I'm just trying to get a better understanding on why, okay, cool. Anyway, but like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being able to do any and everything. That's something that a lot of people in this world lack. Even if you feel you can't do it, you have to feel you can

because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody that comes over here regardless of what sport they play or whatever it is that they do, I feel I can beat them. And if you feel if you feel you can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever it may be, you gonna have to show me. You have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter, I lock Chris Carter ass up right now.

Talk about what he did. And you should, he's 60. Huh? He's 60. What that mean? He talking like he still got it. Get out here, get on the field, line it up, put your cleats on, I lock your ass up too.

Here man, Travis Hunter. We got to pause, That's what we got. So we read it, we walk it, we get up out of bed. We got our right mind, blood running warm in our veins. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Uncle, see, this is the thing about it. One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I just had, is I'm not just talking.

I'm not just saying what it should look like. Uncle, I'm out there with my cleats and my shoes on. What? Out there running full speed, I still got it, you hear me? So it's one thing. Once you go back in that structured environment, you know, where the X's and O's, you have a receiver coach, they actually never played, never really played the game. They just know the game based on paper and what it should look like. Yeah. Like I'm not there running them routes with you. I'm not only just, I'm not telling you what it should look like. I can actually display it

and show you what this is. This is Picasso. I'll say this look. I've known CC a long time his brother and I used to hang with the Super Bowl and stuff. I would just say this CC know when the man joking. Now when that serious night now CC I love you baby. But put them cleats on. Put them cleats on. I'm gonna show you. Double digit touchdown. I put these two hands in your chest. You won't catch shit.

Ben Roethlisberger felt compelled to recently weigh in on whether he'd rather have Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on his team. Well, I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick now. I think Aaron Rodgers prime was one of the few to ever do it. And so Patrick is at his prime. Patrick Mahone is just entering. Just entering out of his prime. I think the band realized does Ben realize how utterly ridiculous. He sounds. Yeah. Yeah, but but obviously, you know, he's going to go. He's going to go with it with someone

a little contemporary, right? Exactly. Someone a little closer to him, despite the success, the early success in such in an early career that Patrick Mahomes has had. Obviously Ben knows how great Pat is, but obviously Ann Rogers was special despite not being able to have the number of Super Bowls only having one. But if you look at Ann Rogers numbers in his prime, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Despite despite him not being able to win the win the big games consistently like Paxman Holmes is done. So what so I thought I thought that was the objective because people make it seem like Aaron Rodgers did not have good teams

go back and look at the receivers that he had go back and look at the receiver that he had. Go back and look at the receivers that he had and go back and look at do you believe the last three Super Bowls Aaron Rodgers could have got that that receiving group to the Super Bowl. Consider he could only get to the Super Bowl one time with Jordan Nelson, with Greg Jennings, with Donald Driver, with James Jones, with Jemmichael Friendly. So do you believe he could take that group that Patrick Mahomes took? He couldn't even get, that man couldn't beat Jimmy Garoppolo. But somehow he gonna get to and he gonna win a Subo. Yeah, I mean.

The MVPs are impressive. Chat, y'all know I've been one of the biggest, one of the loudest Aaron Rodgers fans. He's phenomenal. He was phenomenal. But to base it on Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes in 21 postseason games is 17 and four. Three Super Bowl wins. Aaron Rodgers in 22 postseason games is 12 and 10 with one Super Bowl win. Yeah. And that, you know, now look at the guys that he's lost to. Right.

Tom Brady beating twice, Joe Burrow beating, and now Jaylen Hurts beating. Now go look at the guys that beat Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game. The main fact, the man got beat by Jimmy G. Twice. Hold on. Jimmy G had a nice squad around him now. He had a nice squad around him and all Jimmy G had to do, Jimmy, don't mess it up. I tell you what.

He's gonna take the ball, don't mess it up. Don't cause us to gain. Give Patrick, okay, if I give Patrick Mahomes that squad, what you think? You think Gary Rogers beating Patrick? He gonna beat Patrick Mahomes with that squad? Because you say Jimmy G. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You put Mahomes around any team.

Yes! Listen, Mahomes is one of the few quarterbacks, Unc. You can put him on any team and it elevates everyone else around him. Yes. Elevates everyone else around him because he's just that good. Not only physically, but he's gonna beat you here too. Yes. I mean, bro, he beat Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler got hurt and got on the stationary back. He thought he was at the Tour de France, so he didn't want to play football no more. He just wanted to ride the stationary bike. Look, I mean, you beat who you beat to get to

the football. Right? Look, this has been Roethlisberger's opinion, but I vehemently disagree with this. Yeah, vehemently. And I think the thing is, he's basically get on MVPs. He's basically on MVP. And Aaron Rodgers has four. Yeah. But look at those great seasons that came out to be done. See the thing is, is that Ocho, can you do, if you got a great offense, can you get done? Can you score a point when you need to?

If you're a great defense, can you get a stop when you need to? Can you get off the field on third down? Can you get your offense to ball back? Can you not let them flip the field? You got them backed up? Can you make them stay there and not flip the field? Get the ball to midfield and then put it and pin you down inside the five. Can you do that? Aaron Rodgers has four regular season MVPs, one subo, a subo MVP. Patrick Mahomes has

two subo has two MVPs, three Super Bowl MVPs. He's been the five. Right. And you're saying, now let me sink in, the man has already been to more Super Bowls, has more regular, has more postseason wins, has more, has more MVPs, and he's not even 30. Yeah. And I think it's more to it than that. Obviously we don't know what Ben is indicating why he picked Aaron Rodgers, but also I want people not to forget how special Aaron Rodgers was as well. He's what Ben said. And I'll get that he was as a quarterback. Oh he was physically gifted in throwing the football. In general. He and Dan are talking about just pure thorns of the football and Roger's damn merino Take your pick and this is what he said. Oh Joe. Yeah, I think Aaron in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it

and So Patrick at his prime Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime So you throw another words he said Aaron was one of the top to do it, but Patrick isn't. Cause I, what'd he say? What'd he say? He said, I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top to ever do it. So if by his, by his, what his word said,

if Patrick Mahomes is, is, is coming out of his prime, he wasn't one of the top to ever do it. Yeah. So from 23 to 39, he goes to five Super Bowls, wins three, three MVPs, two regular season MVPs, two 5,000 yard seasons, and a 50 touchdown season. But he ain't one of the top, who not one of the top you to ever do it.

Now you chat, do y'all see how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Now I hope we got this right. Let's just make sure we got this right. Double check that. Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick now. I think Aaron Rodgers and his prime was one of the top few to ever do it.

And so is Patrick at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime, I think. So he think Patrick Mahomes is out of his prime now, would you? of his prime, I think. So he think Patrick Mahomes is out of his prime now, Ocho. Yeah, I don't know. But obviously, Ben being a quarterback that played with, not with, but against Aaron Rodgers, I think that's where he's picking him instead of Pat.

Yeah, because I think Ben came in in 04, and I think Aaron came in in 05. So you see, that's kind of like. Right, right, right, right, right. That's the era. Yeah, I don't know about that one. Yeah. Tejas on.

Yeah, I was just gonna say everyone has a preference. Sometimes the goalposts move regardless of what the accolades and what someone has done. There's always someone else that they like better regardless. Uh, this is what Patrick Mahomes trainer had to say to being not everybody quits working out at 30 being I'm going to go ahead and talk to him. I'm going to go ahead and talk to him.

He said that for real. Yeah. Okay, that's my first time. That's my first time here when the trainers talk trash. I like that. I like that. Oh, I thank you.

I thank you. Commented because there was a somebody I think in the Kansas City media. Right. Talking about Patrick Mahomes and talk about his body look like he eats pizza and stuff like that. I want my quarterback to look just like Patrick Mahomes.

I want my quarterback to look with his shirt off, look like Tom Brady, look like Peyton Manning. That's what I want my quarterback to look like. No muscles, no muscles. I don't want no muscles. Right. I don't want no muscles. I want to have, because I want him to be able to twist.

I don't want him to, you're straining no obliques. Right, right, right. I want all that muscle, strain it, no obliques. Right, right, right. I don't want all that all that muscle, the shoulder, that hip. Right. So, Basie, you want your quarterback to look have a dad bod. That's what I, granddad is possible. You just keep over dad, granddad. I like it. I like it. It it it it like I said, look, and that's not to take away from Aaron because like I said, chat, y'all know

me. Y'all saw me on the other show. I was and I I still think Aaron Rodgers is is was phenomenal. Is he is he what he once was? No. As we get older, as an athlete gets older, where he could elevate everybody else, Now he needs help for him to elevate. Look at Tom. Right. Tom, he had, he couldn't get, he was not gonna be able to get those Patriots

because now he goes to Tampa and he got Godwin and he got Mike Evans. And he got, he get Gronk to come back and he got some other weapons and he got a solid offensive line. And you see, but after solid offensive line and you see but after that Subo you see Tom through for what 5 000 yards but it didn't have the same oomph to it right it didn't have the same like those like he threw for 300 yards but the majority of time

they were playing from behind and so the 300 yards didn't have the same pizzazz, it didn't have the same impact. Right. Like I said, there's no denying Aaron Rogers is a top quarterback wherever you want to place him. I don't think you can put him in top five because he didn't win enough championships to be top five, especially when you talk about Brady and you're talking about Manning and you're talking about Joe Montana and you talk about my homeboy just like just that alone

Just that alone keeps him out but I don't know if you can keep him out of the top 10 Because those four regular season mvps only Peyton Manning has more the touchdown the interception ratio. Yeah I don't know how you keep him out of the top 10. Right. I don't. I'm surprised that he didn't make the 75th anniversary team. Because you know they tried to they didn't want to load up in any one particular era. They can't say well let's take all the guys from the modern era and then we leave guys like Johnny United or

like Johnny United or Otto Graham or some of these other guys out. So, you know, I look Joe. Peyton and Tom those three were going they're going to be on the Santa Fe's of earth anniversary for tape. And then they took John. They took Merino. That's fine. Now off the top of my head. I can't remember.

I think Johnny you nine us. I think he was there. I think Otto Graham was there seven. I don't like I said, I don't really remember I think Johnny Uninas. I think he was there. I think Otto Graham was there. Seven. I don't, like I said, I don't really remember all of them, but I think, you know, they tried to get a mixture. They didn't want to load up and said, okay, we just going to take the receivers from, because you know, you got to take Don Huss.

And now you leave out, you know, Charlie Henning, you know, Jerry and Randy. For me, I thought T.O. deserved to be on the 75th anniversary. I really did. Absolutely. We talk about- I talking about idea top three top two. You might not like his antics and said, okay, he killed a locker room. All I know is this that man got the third of the fourth most touchdowns ever.

Well, he got the third most touchdown for receiver. See and that's the problem that that's the problem that I have. It's the people that have the power, that call the shots, that control everything on who's allowed to be on this list, who's allowed to be in that. That's why I don't like the politics that come with it. I don't like the politics that come with it. Why do you think I don my own jacket? Why do you think I don my own jacket?

Because I understood how it works and I'm not going to play that game because as far as I'm concerned, I'm one is it's one thing. I don't like in. I'm going to just say this real quick. One thing I don't like about former players that that had great careers and they know they've had great careers and they have their numbers. I hate I hate the the the the the almost begging in a sense to be a part of something that was created and you have to, you have to pander to want to be in

it. It's like being an actor and knowing that you have great movies, that you've had a great career doing movies, but you never want to Oscar. Yeah. It doesn't take away none of the work that you've already done. That's set in stone. It doesn't cut. You know what I look at it? I look at like Denzel. Denzel is one he won for glory supporting role. And then he won a league role for training day. But if Denzel didn't win any awards, does that make me think that Denzel isn't a great

actor? Absolutely not. Yes. Because I saw him in cry freedom playing bad to Stephen Biko. I saw him playing Ruben hurricane. I saw him in on. I saw him playing Ruben hurricane. I saw him in hurricane. I saw him play Malcolm X. I saw it with my own two eyes. Yes, sir. Hold on. I'm gonna add to that.

I saw him live in New York. Play Othello. Yes, and never forget a line. Yes, I think he was encouraged. Wasn't he encouraged on the fire? With what's the guy name? The guy passed away recently under I mean, it is sad that he and his wife was dead for years. Gene Hackman.

OK, yeah, yeah, Gene. Wasn't that courage on the fire? I saw him in the Pelican brief. Yeah. I saw I saw him in the Pelican Brief. Yeah. I saw him in Inside Man. I saw him. So even if he didn't win an award, I've seen enough of him to know what greatness is.

Yeah, absolutely. And I just don't like the need for validation because they put Hall of Fame. Well, if you're not a part of this, then what you've done is not valid. Well that's just not the case for so many. It's okay. It's okay to have a great understanding, to be an actor, to be a football player, or to be an artist, to be a football player, you know, or to be an artist, to be a musician.

You know, sometimes as great as you are, they don't see you as that and it's okay. It doesn't take away the fact from the body of work that you put in. He was in Courage Under Fire. What was that movie when he was with Gene Hackman? About the submarine. Crimson Tide, Crimson Tide. Crimson Tide, yes, yes. Yeah. movie where he was it with Gene Johnson Typhoon with Gene Hackman, Courage Under Fire, I think it was Meg Ryan.

He was in another movie with, in Dakota Fanning, where Proof of, what was it, Proof of Life? What did a movie call Proof of Life? I don't know, I don't know that one. Saw him in all the equalizers. I saw him in Devil in equalizers. I saw him in devil in blue dress, Harlem blues. When he was bleak, he was playing the trumpet. Man on fire.

That's what it was. You remember that Ocho? Yes, Wapita. Man on fire. Wapita, Wapita. Mark Anthony. Any more wishes? I wish you had more time. Yeah.

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