Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc APOLOGIZES to Daron Payne after NEW VIDEO of Amon-Ra St. Brown + Texans’ Derek Stingley Jr. joins NIGHTCAP + AJ Brown EXPRESSES UNHAPPINESS + Texas A&M KC Concepcion talks POSSIBLE SEC & CFP Championship

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to new video of Daron Payne and Amon Ra St Brown fight, Texans all world corner Derrick Stingley Jr joins the show, and AJ Brown expresses his unhappiness and frustrations about the offense this season and much more! 00:00 - Introduction04:10 - New Video of Daron Payne and Amon Ra St. Brown fight16:32 - Texans CB Derek Stingley Jr Interview40:35 - A.J. Brown expresses his unhappiness 58:25 - KC Concepcion joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We got Texans, all-world cornerback, Derek Stingley, Jr. And X-C-N-M star receiver, KC. Conception. Hey. A bit later. But, Ocho, we got first, we got new video has emerged. Wait, what happened? Derek, Duran Payne, punching Ammon Ross St. Brown. Okay.

And after this video, we go, are we going to watch? We can't show the video. I'm a firm believer guy y'all know why I am yeah I was the strongest in and what I thought DeRan Payne did was absolutely wrong DeRond Payne reached out to me today on DM

and he was very very respectful and I'm not going to get to specifics but but basically he was saying oh gee I appreciate you I love the way you played the game everything that you were able to accomplish you were great he said but I didn't unprompt just unload on oh boy

yeah yeah yeah and he sent me the video You, since I was the strongest in my critique of Duran pain, let me be the loudest and say, bro, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for judging you without knowing all the facts because all I know is what was shown. Armand Ross St. Brown absolutely hit this man, unprompted. They were in a little shoving back and forth. And then he got a little quick one in a show.

You know how we do it a little thing. Ain't nobody looking. Ah. Hey, Uncle a chicken wing. He gets heated with him. Yes. Yes. Javon Kiddlaw, I owe you an apology too because you said he did hit DeRond Payne first.

And we didn't, I didn't believe you. So I won't apologize to you. But the biggest apology goes to DeRan Payne. And I'm glad you did it. Because like my grandma used to say, I might not break, I might not stop you, but I damn shall break you the habit. I guarantee you. Armin Ross St. Brown was dead ass wrong.

De Ron Payne, you should have. See, you don't get to do something to somebody and then talk about that with an overreaction. Keep your hands to yourself. You said, he told, now this is what Armand Ross St. Brown said Sunday and Monday, before the video surface and say, yeah, he hit him because now he don't have a leg to stand on, Ocho and Joe.

He said, you know, back and forth, he didn't say nothing too crazy, but he never mentioned the part that he hit De Ron Payne in the face first. That never came out of his mouth. Right. DeRine Payne, I'm sorry, bro. I am so sorry as a man.

I'm never, and I've told you guys, y'all heard me say this on undisputed. I'm never going to be too big to say, I'm sorry. I'm never going to be too pride for. I'm never going to be too wealthy. I'm never going to be anything where I can't say, I'm sorry I was wrong.

DeRine Payne, I was wrong. Yeah. You should have caught. I wish you to knock this ass out. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Nope. Keep your hands. Keep your hands to yourself, Ocho. Your grandma told you that. Your mom told you that, Joe.

I know you heard it because you're from the, Ocho, you're from the South. Hey, right. But people are really looking at Miami like the South, like we look at, like we look at, like we look at Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Arkansas, all those states. Go ahead, Joe. I understand you're supposed to keep your hand to yourself. I understand. Yes.

So what, so what punishment, before you go, Ocho, can I ask the NFL, what punishment are you're going to levy against Armand Ross St. Brown? I don't know. I don't know. But listen, you know the rules. You know the rules. And they talk about it in meetings before season starts about getting angry. They always see the second person that throws a punch.

They always see the second person that shoves every time. So Amon and Ron Brown is playing a game within the game. Understanding, well, hell on. I'm a chicken wean, I'm a chicken wean him, you know, and see if I can get him in trouble real quick, and it worked. It worked, and he lost his temple, you know? What's the game within the game? How can I get under somebody's skin to get my team an advantage?

Now, it was wrong. Yes, it was wrong. It was wrong, I'd be the first to say it. But, you know, it's tricks to the trade. Now, you say you should have knocked him out. Now, I don't think that would have happened because they would have had to jump the wrong. Now, we don't want that to happen, now. You say, hey, you say nobody grabbing when he slapped five from him.

And the official standing right there. Because Ocho, here's the thing. You're absolutely right. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Joe and Ocho, the official didn't see it. But just like they replayed it and saw what Duran Payne did, I guarantee you they replayed it and saw what Arm and Ross St. Brown did. Yeah. Hey, so did they find to suspend Duran Payne?

They suspended for one game without pay. Uh-huh. So now did they go back and look at it? get the tape what's going to happen i'm on st brown i don't know but something a fine should be levied keep your hands and your feet to yourself if you blocking me i get that you pancake me and step in my chest i get that but keep your hands to yourself yeah especially on that football field because i can do anything i want to and it's not a crime they might suspend me they might throw a penalty but it's not a crime keep your hands to yourself i don't know what position you're

him to do what he did. That's a grown man. I don't know if De Ron Payne has a wife. I don't know if he has kids or anything. But keep your, my grandmother always say, boy, keep your hands and your feet to yourself.

She said, boy, if somebody put their hands or their feet on him, you do everything you can to try to break them. See, hey, you heard what you just said, right?

Huh? Hey, no, Joe, I told you that story. I told you that story where Ray knocked my helmet off and he ended up.

Yeah. Hey, hey, well, you laughing, Joe, Joe, boy, I was in the locker room looking for Ray, boy, and we, we weren't even playing at home. We were playing at M-R-M-N-D. That was two weeks later. You was unconscious. You don't even remember what y'all was actually playing.

Who was looking for Ray two weeks later? No, no, no. Y'all was playing the bills. Ray played for the Ravens. You're talking about where Ray at? Where, where sugar? Hey, hey, I was looking for sugar after that game. I'm telling you, like, hold on, Joe, I were upset, right?

And I'm thinking to myself, hold on. Now, me and Ray, we pray before the game. we go over a script before every game, whether we play in each other or not, you know? Right. We like this. Your man, honey grand. Yeah, we don't say to pray before the game,

and we get in the game, we get in the game, and now you act like you don't know me. You don't know me, but we pray. He just tried to knock my helmet off. Hold on, my helmet went flying about 30 yards, Joe. He showed it. I say, hold on.

Hey, look, Ocho, you know in between them lines, man, ain't no friend. Yeah. He probably pray, he don't, he don't really knock you, knock you out, out. But you got to realize those guys' defensive players go to a different place, man.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, I was in a different place after the game because I was in your locker room. Security had to come get me. I was long ago. Yeah, hey, Joe. They had to come get me out the locker room. Joe, bribed for the whoop on him.

You hit me? Well, you don't do that. But you don't do nothing like that. But if we don't, Joe, you can't sit there and say a prayer with me. We can't read the scripture and you go out there and try to kill me on the field.

He was saying, Lord, forgive me what I'm about to do to Ocho. Lord, I know I've come a long way and I'm trying to do better in my life. But any sense that I commit on this field today, please forgive them. Amen. Hey, Joe, and the funny thing about the joke is when people ask me, who was your favorite team to go against? It was always the Ravens and the Steelers. Joe, because one thing about it, I call it a two-chin-strap game, Joe. you had to bring

two-tenths after that goddamn game, Joe. Hey, you had to get some sleeping night for that game, then you were, Joe. Hey, Joe, it was hell. It was hell. And I enjoyed it because you had no choice but to raise your level of play. You had no sleep but to raise your level of play.

And then you got my crazy ass who talked shit during the week and give everybody bulletin board material on purpose, you know? So, I mean, there was some of the, some of the joyous time for me during them days. Man, I loved it, man.

I loved it, man. I love Ray. I mean, still to this day, man, just being able to be able to see and stay in contact, that's why I like social media so much. Most of the time, like, you know, back in your days, you kind of lose touch with everybody unless you go to a certain event. Mm-hmm. You know.

They make it so much easy, Joe, man. It just, I don't know. So I don't know if Duran Payne, I don't know if you're watching this, but I hope you get this. I hope you hear it for yourself, but if you don't hear it for yourself, hopefully someone close to you, a family, friend, or a loved one gets you this and let them and tell you Shannon Sharp did indeed apologize

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We want you to live better. So check out the mailroom, starting on November 18th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your favorite shows. Because everybody keep the hand. You've been grown out here. Ain't nobody, to my knowledge, I'm in Ross St. Brown, ain't got no kids. And he damn sure ain't got no kids 30, 31 years of age.

Keep your hands to yourself. Treat it like the zoo. What did they tell you, Ocho, when you go to the zoo? Keep your hands alone. And a museum. Don't touch nothing. I tell my kids. As a matter of fact, unless you catch the past or block it,

keep it down hands in your pocket. Get with a little fan of what the look, the muffs, and put your hand warmers and keep your hand in your pocket. You walk out? Because I'm telling you, he did right, Ocho. But see, the problem that I have is that he lied. And he had everybody believing that he did absolutely nothing until he got caught. And then, I think it was today, he's like, yeah, I kind of nudged him.

It don't matter. You don't get, hold on. You step on my foot. I say, ow, I ain't really step on your foot that hard. You don't get to tell me how hard you stepped on my foot. That's my foot. These feet made for me to walk on, not you to walk on them. Yeah.

DeRond Payne, I'm sorry. Javon Kenlaw, I'm sorry. because you also came out and said that he did hit him first. And I said, man, that man ain't hit that man first. Ocho, you have said, Ocho, what likelihood of a wire receiver going around slug? And he did it. It don't matter how hard it was. It was the mere fact that you did something that you didn't have no business doing.

And then he knocked fire from you. And you're talking about, oh, I, I, you know, no, no, Duran, I'm sorry. And they should give you your money back. Yeah. But I guarantee you, I bet he won't hit another D-Liaman in the face. What you want to bed, Ocho? i don't know i don't know okay okay a one thing about us receives we're the we're the most dominant position on the field you know whether we got the ball in our hands or not here you go

i don't i don't know if i don't know if anybody there's a saying that says though joe a lesson without a consequence or action without consequences there is no lesson learned hmm wait a minute whoa whoa you know what i'm saying joe an action without consequences there is no lesson learned Yeah. Now, they, hey, hey, he's going to make up from it. Yeah, the NFL is going to come down with something on St. Brown. Nah, no, they not. No, they not. Man, please. No, they not.

Hey, listen, the NFL, the NFL is already handicapped the game a lot. They've already taken some of the, what's the words, some of the character, you know, some of the character away from the game and what made it, would make it fun, what made it exciting. Now, before I keep going, I need you to give me that line one more time. Actions without consequences, there is no lesson learned. Oh, that's a good one, Joe. I'm going to use that one in my name. Boy, DeRan Payne, you did right.

You should have hit him so hard on the top of his head. He peeped at his ribs and thought he was in jail. Hey. But you did right. You ain't get you no more with you. I'm done for the night. Wait a minute. Hey, bring that back one more time, huh, like a DJ.

I said, Duran Payne should have hit him so hard in the top of his head, he peeped out his ribs and think he in jail. But you got it though. Yeah, yeah. I might not stop that act, but I bet I'll break you the habit. Okay. Oh, you didn't drop two gems early, but the show just started.

Hey, hold on. Okay, Ocho, he got up under that, he got a bundle of that helmet too when he, when he, did you see how far he swung back? Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Prince George. Yeah, he got up under there. That's what,

Joe, that's, hey, Joe, the one of old cartoon slaps. You remember you watching Saturday cartoon? Yeah, hey, he was pissed off. He couldn't, he couldn't help him. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I don't have any problems

after seeing the video, after having him explain what happened. And he said, oh, gee, I ain't just swing on, oh boy. He did what he did. Send me the video. I tapped on it, looking at it. They little hand fighting,

and then he tried to get a quick one in. Yeah, look, a little chicken man. I know what you're talking about. I used to do it too. Yeah. We good to go. Hey, y'all, it's me. Your man, M.G. Marcus Grant.

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I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking, but aren't. Because guys usually don't go to the doctor unless a piece of their face is hanging off or they've broken a bone. Depends which bone. Well, that's true. Every week, we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility, and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that, Jordan.

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Apple Podcasts, for wherever you get your favorite shows. We got a very special guest joining us. We got Texans, all-world cornerback. man he had an unbelievable one-handed interception that really started to come back that came back from 19 down in the fourth quarter to win the ball game against the Jacksonville Jaguars

the division opponent. Here he is a pro bowler all pro three picks this season including one against Trevor Lawrence. Here he is Derek Stingley Jr. Sting, what's going on, bro? No much, man. Have a beard. Man, thank you for joining us, man. We really, really appreciate it. Go ahead, Ocho.

What's good? What's up? You good? I'm always good. Okay, I like that energy. I like that energy. I see you in the offseason thing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. We got to run it. We got to run it. Bro, you know, watching you play, and I think the thing is about any great corner, the one thing that they all have is patience. They ain't really biting that first move. Kind of look, bro, all that hair stuff.

Let me ask you a question. What are you looking at? You're looking at his breastplate? You're looking at his hip. Because all this head doing all this and all there right there and these hips still coming straight at me So what when you when you lock in and you're playing press coverage? What are you watching? Oh, I'm looking more at the like mid thigh, the back leg

Okay, so like I start low so then when your eyes go up a little bit I end up around the hips And try to stay in that range right there, so yeah How did you how did you learn to be patient because a lot of times you know these receivers are really good at round running getting in and out of breaks and I think the thing is that you can't be overreactive always biting the first move now you know sometimes they sometimes they really are running a go and sometimes

they're going to run you know they're trying to run you off and do this comeback or do this dig or do this over route so so how are you playing I mean obviously you study tape you see formation you're like okay you think y'all sleep y'all think y'all got a three by one you think you're going to fool me with this split make it out of here yeah I mean

it's really because I mean I'm also fast I feel like people don't think that that I'm fast, but like I don't think you're fast, huh? But I can run with pretty much anybody. So knowing that in my mind, like you're not going to

run away from me, so I can play like low hip most of the time. I can, and we get down the field, the quarterback, you know, all quarterbacks don't throw accurate beat passes, so you know, I can look back at a certain time knowing that the ball

sometimes would be underthrown. or inside or something like that then it's just go make a playoff of that you know you ain't gonna have much time to throw it y'all got those two edge guys coming off the edge so you're like hey i ain't gotta come along yeah and that's every snap like they and it's not even just them like it's the whole

like the interior like they they push it you got rankings you got those guys yeah they're pushing up the middle and then you got the two on the outside and then they all rotate so like we got three people deep in every position on the D-line, so every snap. But you want to do a few, obviously, I'm an enthusiast when it comes to, you know, some of the better DB, just DB play in general, you know, and being able to watch all

and study a game and study how you guys play. You have tremendous patience. You have tremendous patience similar to, like, Derell Revis, in a sense. You're very good in bump and run. Watching a film, you can tell you, watch film a lot, and you understand that. tendencies and what's coming and what's not and your ball skills are second and none your ball skills is second and none because you're one of the few few dbs that when when the ball is in the air you actually look back for it and you don't panic most of the time you you already know most

the time everybody always panic once the ball in the air and what the first thing you do you pull your tug and you get a flag thrown but your ball skills man is elite you know i haven't had a chance to give you your flowers but um just now i got the chance to but you you you're you're you you wanted the best you know we talk about top two uh you you write up there so it depends on on who you who you like based on preferences for you and brother mother p2 dying in and yeah i appreciate you man i appreciate that yes up hey d sting what's up bro hey tell me something uh what what have you learned from you know your father your grandfather coaching and mentorship you know as you uh came into this league what what what what they taught you kind of growing up well my dad so

You know, he coached in the arena football league for a long time. He played in the arena. And since I was a little kid, like, as far back as I can remember, I'm doing DB drills with, like, his player and, like, with full pads on as a little kid or, like, running routes against his DGs as a little kid, like double moves or, you know, whatever, like that. So being in that type of environment, It kind of taught me, for one, like, the brotherhood that goes along with a, with a football team, because, one, they was, they was, I guess you could say, like, they was those older figures that I saw as, like, superstars.

Like, it was just, like, a family environment. Right. And so that told me brotherhood, and then, like, seeing them go out there and play together, knowing that they was close, like, off the field. whether that was dealing with me or, you know, doing their own thing or whatever. And then from my dad, like, well, and then add notes to that, like, my dad,

he taught me how to deal with, like, energy levels on the, on the field. So, you know, you know, big talkers. He tried to, he's getting your head, Sting. Oh, yeah. You know, like, he'll talk and he'll do all that, but me

personally, like, If I make a good play, like, you probably won't see me do anything, like, whether if it's, like, PbU or something like that, like, I'll just walk off because, for one, I'd be tired, so, like, I don't have to do that. And then, like, if something is too bad, then, you know, like, it's on to the next play. And I feel like, as a defensive player, like, that's just how you got to live life. And it's really like that for offense, too, like, like a receiver, tight-in, like, you

drop a ball like drop a pass you got to move like you can't think about it because then you start thinking about kissing the football you're going to keep on dropping the rest of you know like stuff like just regulating emotions and you know still playing with a passion and being fierce with it but everybody don't need to know that like like you if you want to try to play me on the field I just show you by just playing the game like I don't need to talk because I don't know how to talk Oh, you don't talk? You said what? I said, you don't talk?

So if somebody started your app and, oh, yeah. Oh, I'm about to get this one today. I'm about to get me a hundred a day. Got to get me about a couple of tubs on me. I'll probably just look, well, because I don't know how to talk trash talk. So, like, I'll just look and I'll either laugh or I'll just be like, okay, like, all right.

Hey, hey. Oh, no. Hey, Uncle Joe, I'm going to get it out of him. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm, I'm going to get it out of him. Oh, Joe. He's like, man, what you're doing? So you're about to smell to the owner of it.

Turn down. That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. Don't worry about it. Hey, hey, Dee Sting telling y'all, look, that's going to motivate him. He ain't got to say nothing. Yeah, but he's going to be like, okay. Right, like, it's not, it's a quiet confidence, bro.

I don't really know. It's not, it doesn't matter who it is. Like, like, what you say? Like, I know you say that you'll be able to give me to talk on the field, but I, I honestly would look at you crazy and you're going to be like, what? Like, is something wrong with him? I'm like, why is you not? No, no, no, no.

I'm gonna get that work. Listen, I'm not gonna talk on the field. I'm gonna talk during the play. I'm gonna talk during the route. Like, I'm different, thing? Like, I'm different. Gotta let him know, O-Chu. We gotta let you know, Sting.

Hey, the whole time. We got two quiet dudes versus two talkers. Hey, that first down, Sting. That first down, that first down, oh, you, first time. Hey, hey, Sting, hey, um, you know, they hit you with. Hey, every time I catch a ball, let me hit you with their own thing.

Yeah? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't. Hey. That don't affect, I don't do that. So that don't affect me. No. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. That's wrong. I'm saying, like, you don't, my mind is, like, this is a steel, like, just, I don't know, cage or whatever. Like, yeah. Oh, well, I tell you what y'all do, do, you let, when you got the interception, y'all ran to the end zone. So I get me a touchdown, I'm calling on my teammate. Come on, let go to the end zone.

Let go. Ocho, let go. Look, yeah. Hey, Sting, you know who Sting remind me of too, Hung, and that's the way he carry yourself, and he's always, always even kill, no matter what, it's really hard to get him out of character, Andre Johnson. Yeah, exactly the same.

Don't talk. Yeah, Dray don't say nothing. No, at all, at all. Sting, let me ask you a question. Who do you kind of pattern your game out there? Because, I mean, like you're kind of built like Revis, but, I mean, there's Charles Wilson, there's Rod Wilson, there's time, there's Revis, there's Derrick,

green, there's a Niels Williams. There have been a lot of great corners. Like, so did you study film when you watch it? Like, okay, this is the direction I'm going in. And I think this is what I'm going to be at in college. This is what I'm going to be at the next level. Who do you kind of pattern your game after? Is there any similarities that you see between yourself and anybody that I mentioned? Maybe somebody I did. Yeah, nobody that you mentioned, but I've always, it's always been Tim Bailey for me. Oh, he's always the, you know, he gets the ball, he's locked down. He's interchangeable. If you need to go play somewhere else, like in a different position he can do it like just because he know the

know the defenses or no football yeah he has always been any ward number 24 like that yeah that's he's always been the first that guy so you like you like you like because i i measure corners and then there's not a knock on the corner that don't but i like to see you get freak with flying miles i like to see you travel i mean if you got a bad dude and he only he normally he's the ex i'm going to yeah if he's i'm following there if he in the slot i'm gonna follow him there if he in the slot, I'm gonna follow him there. If he in the back field, I'm lying up like a linebacker. Wherever you go, just know I'm gonna be it.

I mean, and that's a part of it. Like, that's a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best. Like, if you're allowed to do it, you're allowed to do it. If you're not allowed to do it, then, you know, the people that aren't allowed to do it, I guarantee they wish that they can do it. Like, so that's something that you can't knock somebody for. I don't.

No, no, no, no. Some people just like they got their defenses and you play left or he played right, whatever the case. And that's how it was with Revis and Crow. Normally Revis and Crowe, they stayed on one side, restate on the other side. And so wherever you went, Sherman, and when they were in Seattle, he was on one side and Brandon Browner was on the other side. So let's ask you a question. You got the big contract and you know what comes along with big contracts, even more expectations. You've gone to the Pro Bowl.

You've been an all pro. what are the expectations that sting puts on himself down the outside pressure what you put on yourself oh well really on myself like it's more about like like technique like it's sometimes like like well we kind of mentioned earlier um patience we was talking about patience right so sometimes well and then you also said like like kind of falling for the first move or wanting to react to the first move like like yes like people know i'm a patient defensive back at the line of scrimmage so i'll get harder moves like first steps thinking that okay yeah they're going like you know it's just a game within the game um yeah so i i'm hard of myself like trying to make sure that i'm

sticking true to who i am and and controlling controlling the game myself not being reactive but like like you know like controlling the game and then another thing is Like, yeah, I got all the pigs, the ball skills, whatever with the world. But I've said this before. Like, last year I had, however many I had, like, interceptions. I could have had double that. Same thing for right now. I got however many I have right now, I should have double that.

Like, and those are the type of things that above me because I know my pops is sitting in the stand somewhere just, like, mad at me. Like, like, frowning or something, and I can feel them, like, just being mad at me. But I'm also mad, too. So, you know, like, those are the main things for me because, you know, like, I know how to catch a football. So, like, why am I not catching the past on this or that? Or why is this person getting, like, an inch of separation when they're not supposed to, like, you know, like stuff like that? Like, normal, I mean, I feel like that's normal, like football stuff. Like, whatever.

Right. Think, let me ask you this. Do you think we're going to see somebody, Dick Knight Train Lane Lane Lane? His rookie season, he had 14 picks. I think in 1980, Lester Hayes had 13 picks. And we haven't seen anybody. We've seen a 10. You saw we just saw.

He's had 11. Did, Dee. He had 10. And we've seen a lot of 10. Champ Bailey one year had 10. But we really haven't seen somebody get that 12, 13 to really challenge that 14. We do have an extra game now. And I think Train got here if they haven't to having 12 games.

I think I'm not mistaken. Could have been, I think it was 12 games. Mm. Nick, Nate Trey. Who? Digg's had 11. Do you think we'll see somebody ever get 15 picks in the season? 15.

I mean, you could, you could. You got to have to break your record. Like, let's say, what's his name? Some Paul, he played for the, for Washington for, for, for, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had four in one game. So, like, I feel like there's somebody, or, or this was either. the last year or two years ago, Darry Slate going against Justin Jefferson.

And I think he had two or my, yeah, I think he had two, but he could have had like six that game. So like those type of games where you just catch all the ones, you're supposed to catch. Yeah, you got to catch all the ball. And then just play like your normal game. Like, you know, you get one every nine then or whatever. Then I think it's possible.

But if you don't. I think it's probably going to come from a, it's probably going to come from a safety. Somebody that's roaming. but you're right because normally they target it but once he start catching them they start going away from yeah but you know you're covering you covering the best receiver like they got to throw him all oh they go feed him now but then that then they go start they go start stacking him start running you start running you off picks and everything and do it all that other stuff

trying to run a bunch of shallow cross then they go whip you they're going to start him in hard do zaro do everything to try to get you off his tail it's still opportunities over like regardless of whether they try to hide the receiver or not like if you're on them you own them so that's the opportunity right there right now look we know there only take seven teams to the playoffs right now you guys are four and five and your third in your own and your third in your own division you lost a couple of games that you look at i mean i'm sure you did when you went back and watched the film like that team shouldn't beat us that team should not have beat us what are you guys going to do you're four and nine, four and five, with eight games to play.

What do you guys need to do to position yourself to make sure if you're not challenging for the division, you get one of those remaining three playoff spots? Well, I mean, you know, going into every week, you watch away the week before, and you don't look past the week that you're on. But one of the things that my position, Coach Dino, he always says just do your job. Like, do take care of what you got to take care of. And then, like, don't go out there chasing plays. Don't go out there, like, just doing your own thing.

Like, just do what you're supposed to do. And then if everybody do that, then, you know, the result will be what you would want it to be. So I think everybody just got to do that. And that's what every sport. That's with every job. That's with life. That's with everything. Just do what you're supposed to do.

And then, you know, the results still come. Well, you're going to get some opportunities to get some picks. You got the Titans coming up. You got Calvin Ridley. Buffalo, they got a bunch of guys. And then the Colts, they got Pearson Pittman, Jr. And then you got the Chiefs. You got Worthy, and you got Rashid Rice, and you got Juju.

So you go get some. And then you got the Cardinals, Marvin Harrison, Jr. The charges got what they got. So you got some opportunities. So I'm expecting we have this conversation again in about eight weeks. I'm going like, okay, Sting, I mean, last I talked to you, add three, I need to see by six or seven, we talk again. Easy.

Yeah, I mean, you know, it is what it is. I don't know. No, it is what I need, I need six or seven. I mean, hey, these things, stay locked in. Don't let them, don't let them try to hang you out here, try and jump on everything. Yeah, they're locked in, bro. Yeah, stay locked in, bro.

Hey, Sting, I got one more question. I got one more question. You know, a lot of times, especially when a player is active, you know, they're in their prime. playing extremely well and they play db they never get opportunity to to give receivers their flowers or receivers that really not saying beat them but where you got to really be on your a game you got to dot your eyes and cross your t's when you're playing against a certain person that really have you out there thinking you know you got to bring your a game is there anybody that

comes in mind for you since you've been in the league where you just know okay when i'm playing so and so i got to be oh well yeah since i've been yeah yeah yeah it's a actually it's a lot of people because we're in the field like everybody's right right but um I've always said Gary Wilson with the with the jets

like he like I remember the first time I went against some we was at some like we was at some high school camp or it was an opening or something of that on Ryan Clark was actually my my coach

yeah Gary he ran like a slant rock or whatever with the woo and I'm playing like a deep third or something and the ball is thrown so high and I'm like 20 yards behind like 15 20 yards behind him

I'm thinking the ball coming right to me like and he jumps up so high like he jumps up so high catches the ball just running and I'm just looking like yeah but since I've been in the league like yeah going against him I think I've played against him like twice already

and he I mean he's nice he's nice and then but It's a lot of people. It's so many people. I can't even. DeMonte Adams always. Tariot.

Mike Evans. Nobody talked about Mike Evans for some strange reason. Like, he's Mike Evans. I don't know. But it's a lot of people. I can't think of everybody. But, yeah. Right.

Derek, you and your dad, Derek senior, run, Cover One Elite. Tell us about that. What is Cover One Elite? So it's really just like a DB, camp um like a couple years like well we went to Hawaii for a couple years get some people like all throughout the league um okay whether there's people I played like in college with or just know like throughout the league um so they'll go down there last year we had in Puerto Rico um actually we was just talking about it like maybe we can get this in Greece next year like you know like

just what about safety y'all invite y'all invite 57 you're on safety I mean, hey, look, it don't matter. If you want to come, you just know you're going to work. But. Right, man, damn, y'all working on a granddad day. Sting, damn, I'm a granddad. If you want to come, you're going to have to work. Like, it ain't, like, you can get a free trip.

Like, come on. Right. Oh. Damn, I thought I was going to be able to go to Mekino's a Santerina, you know, get some olive oil, oh, chos, some cheese, damn. You know, you got, Steve. Look, you can work. All right, so the way it's set up is we normally go out there for like, I think it's like five days or something or six days.

The first day, travel day, next day, next day, then you're off the next day, then you've got another work day, then you're off the next day. So, you know, you can do whatever. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you can do your business is your business. And then, and then we- I ain't ridden no cover safety, don't they. You know what? You know what I'm saying?

Hey, they call me graveyard. because when I lead the field, the body's everywhere. So you know what I'm saying? All I want you to do is funnel it to me. Hey, Sting, just funnel it to me. Don't even worry about that slant. I got that.

I got that. We got that slant. We got that. We bring like four lawnbaggers or two to four line beggars, safety's like, it's everybody. So come on. I like that.

I like some. Then you got to look. You got look. You got look. You was on that 2019 national championship. championship team, that great team, probably the greatest team, one of the greatest team ever assembled in college, arguably the one of the greatest, you can make a case it's the greatest offensive team, but what you guys were able to do, you, Joe, Joe Burrow was

the quarterback in Jetta and Chase and Marshall and Thad Mawson, Clyde Edwards-Aller and all those great offensive linemen, the DBs like yourself. They fired Brian Kelly. How do you guys get back to something similar to that? where LSU that Alums and everybody in Boosters are proud to show up to Death Valley and no, we couldn't somebody ask tonight.

Well, honestly, I mean, it really just come down to whoever they bring in, whoever, it doesn't matter who they bring in. Like, as long as the players, like, they really buy in to being at LSU. Like, you know, you can go to a certain school. You can be from here and be from there. but once you get to where you're at

you gotta know what the goal is and mine like yeah you're at the university yeah you're doing all this and that but the goal is still be to get to the next level so once everybody come get in the tune with that and really break down like how can we be great like that's what it's gonna take

so I don't think it matters like who it is or what it takes from the I'm just saying from a coach's standpoint like that doesn't matter like the players buying it to themselves first and then the coach's like just adding on to that because you got great facilities tremendous fan base stadium is electric death valley at night there's nothing like playing in death valley at night man that's derrick stingley

junior the great all-pro cornerback from the houston texas de sting thanks for some time tonight i appreciate that continue success stay healthy look we talk to you and and and January, I'm going to be looking at the stats because I know you got three now. I'm like, okay, hey, Ocho, we got to call him back up. He doesn't got silver. Oh, yeah. I appreciate you, though. We don't.

Appreciate you, man. Congratulations on all the success. Continued success. We'll see you down the road, bro. All right, bro. All right, bro. Derek Stingley, Jr., ladies gentlemen. Uh, Eagle fans.

Every time we say something about the Eagles, we mentioned A.J. Brown, y'all making it up oh you just won't click oh joe you just be you need to push back against um a j brown aggrin again expressed his unhappiness with the eagles this time while live streaming playing madding yeah oh cho yeah let's hello he made his rounds today on social media a j brown doubled down we normally don't show full two minutes of videos but here we are It's not just totally about my situation. I mean, guys, like, obviously, I want to win, too, you know? And I think if we're really focusing on winning and doing our job,

like, we can't just keep slapping the band-aid over the defense doing their job and getting us out of trouble. At what point are we going to pick up our slack as an offense that we're saying, we're so great, you know, and that's what I'm getting it. It's not about we're not winning, or I don't care about winning. All I care about is steps. No, it's been week after week sometimes. We're not contributing.

We're not doing our job on office. So you can't just keep slapping the Band-Aid over there. And you expect to win late in the year, and you think he's going to go to it at the end of the year. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. You know, last year, what it was, thank you for the room.

But it's a new season. They adapt it. We have to adapt and we have to continue to get better and try to find new ways. So that's what the frustration comes in. Because it's not about winning, you guys. It's not about winning, you guys. It's like, I want to win, yes.

He'll contribute as well, do our thing on offense as well. I think that's fair. Do you feel like you're misunderstood in that? I don't care of them misunderstood. I don't care of them misunderstood. I stand up in front of that and fall on that sword over and over again. It's about doing what we're supposed to be doing on offense. And if we are really in this business for trying to get better, we got to do we got to do. And not just say, oh, it's about wins.

Like as long as we got to win, it's cool. no that ain't what you know you cannot do that not in this leave you got to continue to get better we got to do what we have to do on offense to help the defense to help the special team because after the game i said all the right answers i still made a story right you know in that in that moment where i'm just talking to my friend have a phone my friend i'm not apologizing for that like like i said because if you have eyes you can see that and so like it's not that i was throwing anybody on the bus i'm literally trying to laugh through this shit this shit is though But I'm trying to make fun of the situation

and to try to get through it. So, you know, it is what it is. Eagle fans. Now, as loud as you was talking about all you try to do is get clicks, all you try to do is get likes, Ocho not pushing back. Eagle fans, in any point in time,

y'all want to jump in the chat and say, oh, we were wrong because the man told you himself. Now, I want to know one thing. Y'all still be going to be there next year? No, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, I said it a long time ago. Now, there is no pushback because I understand exactly how A.J. Brown feels.

You look at him as, you look at his body language. He's upset. He's very upset. And I like what he said. I like one of the key words. You said, we have to adapt. We have to. Yes. Like the wins is one thing.

But thank you for the ring. But in order for us to get back, everybody's caught on with us. There's film out there. There's a reason why they don't look the same offensively. Correct. They are getting the win. they're getting the wins, but for us to continue to have that success, we're going to have to evolve as an offense.

We're going to have to adapt to the fact that teams know what to look for with the Super Bowl champs, and they're playing us a little different now. They're playing us a little different. So we have to evolve as an offense, and it just hasn't happened, and it's probably going to bite you, it's probably going to bite your ass on the back end. Not right now. Not right now because you're squeezing wins out. But when it gets to the playoffs, when you're playing better teams,

It's going to be different With it not allowing Sequin Barkley to run What do you have to do? Jaden Hertz is very capable He's very capable of being able to throw the ball You know so I mean I understand his frustrations And it's coming to a head

It's coming to it's like having it's like Hey Joe is like having a pimple That that thing ready to pop Hey look Ocho, y'all know it's It's different man When you got that bulls out on your back bro Yeah you know what I mean

Hey look you're getting everybody's best game. You know what I mean? So they're not playing when they come in there and play Philly, bro. I'm talking about everybody in the Dada Day Eyes and Crown State T. They know everything that's going to happen. They're not going to be playing. So you're going to get everybody's best game, and that's the hardest thing.

So I understand, I understand what he's saying. But he definitely got to know that, man, they got the biggest target on their back. They're the champs, bro. This will comes with it. You're the measuring stick. Yeah. Because you go to everybody, guess what? No matter where you play home or away,

You're the Super Bowl champs. So what is everybody saying, Ocho? They're measuring themselves to you. Oh, they do against you. Yeah. So they beat you. What are they saying? See, I told you.

That is the defendant's Super Bowl champs. Look at all those great players. And we kick their ass today. There's no reason there's not a team in this league that we can't beat when we lock in, when we focus, and we play our type of game. Yeah. AJ's absolutely right. I'm not saying AJ is wrong.

My thing is that, and Nick Sarianner, says well I'm kind of getting tired of talking about it and he is it's not going away until the office starts to look better and AJ Brown is involved yeah so you can get tired of talking about it but until this office starts to look like it did Ocho the last half of last year and in the postseason yes sir it ain't going away and and you know the one thing about it is is things might change they might change for the good or they might change for the bad I mean, the fact that someone's bringing it to their attention, because we can all see it from the outside looking in. We can see it looking at looking at. And we're not really saying anything. And we're looking at A.J. Brown crazy because they're winning the games. But as the season continues to progress, as you get closer to in which I consider, real football doesn't start until after Thanksgiving. That's when it's time to get going. That's when when teams start to click and you want that momentum to carry into the playoffs. I'm hoping things.

change for the better because I want A.J. Brown to have success. I want the Eagles to have success. And of course, I want Jalen Brown to continue to silence all his doubters. Jailen Hurts. I'm sorry, I'm Jaylon Hurst. But I think about basketball. Yeah, I'm Jailen Hurst to continue to silence all his doubters. So, I mean, I understand this frustration. I've been there as a receiver. Obviously, never been on the team of this magnitude that is coming off a Super Bowl win championship for that matter. But I do understand the frustration of wanting to be a part, an intricate part of the offense. You know, I'm not asked for the ball 30, 35 times a game,

but just make me feel like you want me, you know? Make me feel like you want me. So, I mean, that's pretty much it. So I get his frustrations. But I can compartmentalize in a sense. And as fans, not really understanding, y'all winning. Y'all are winning. How are you fussing when y'all are winning?

And I understand. That was my only thing, Ocho. Like I said, I'm not saying that he's wrong. I'm saying it's going to be hard to get fans to implement. empathize with you when you're winning the game because then they look at like you don't really care about winning you care more about your stats so it's this what I'm saying as a fan so if you would care more that you had nine for one 140 and two touchdowns and you lost as opposed to having five for 53 they're like no and my only thing was I say when you make it public like

this yes you're going to get a lot of pushback because at the end of the day to get the job is to win the game so if he had kept it if he had went up to talked to J. Hertz about it. If he had talked to Sariani and Petula about it and just kept it behind closed doors. At some point in time, Mocho, like you said. Hey, he didn't probably, he didn't probably did that already, man.

I'm sure he has. He didn't probably did it. This started last year. For sure. You started reading it. So the fact that nothing has, nothing has changed, you know, now it's gotten to this point because, well, shit, but maybe y'all ain't hearing me.

Maybe y'all not understanding where I'm coming from and me wanting to contribute to what we're doing when it comes to some of those wins that we're getting where I'm just, I'm out here, I'm out here like a goddamn Christmas ornament. So basically you telling me I'm decoration. So I see both sides. I also understand the business side of thing too, Joe.

And now when we talk about, oh, we still winning and I got this $33 million salary. And that not come out. No, $33 million receivers, don't catch 50 passes. Hey, and you know that game. they play. I absolutely know that game they played. I didn't want to play a different game. Well, you don't have to, you're not contributing

the way you used to, where it seemed like you lost a step because your number's not what they used to be because your production is falling. Well, you told me it was about wins. So now you don't want to pay me what you're paying me. You want me to take a pay cut because production ain't right. Ocho, it's about

wins publicly. It's about production privately. Oh yeah, absolutely. I know that. The fans don't understand that, which is why that's what the frustration comes from from a player that's active because you already know what they're going to do. Absolutely, absolutely no.

He said he's tired of running down win sprints. Yeah, he gets great. All he just said, I'm in shape. I only do no cardio on Sunday. I don't need to do cardio Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I'm good. Like I said, when his first broost up and looking at his body language,

oh, my thing is, look, I don't know it. all but having played the game and been around guys the body language tell you you hear him talking he's telling you without actually coming out and trying to say it right but he's like i'm giving you hit it sounds like it sounds like it sounds like a j is unhappy with his role in this offense yes but y all want to make it seem like it's about clicks and like i'm just basing on my intimate knowledge having played the game having been around guys and i know the mindset of guys like an AJ Brown

he's a he's a he's a humble guy but he worked his ass off and he's like let me you gave me this money for a reason now you got people think I'm out here tricking it off because I ain't my numbers is not reflective of the type of salary that you're paying me

it's because y'all not doing what you're supposed to be doing the Eagles are still going three and out more often than any offense in the NFL since 2014 And they still winning? And they're still winning.

Still winning. Because the defense, look, the thing is, is that mark of a good offense on choice, what? Can you get done what you need to get done when you have to? When it matters most, yeah. So, Joe, when they need a third and five, they get it. When they need that fourth and one, and they get that tush push, when they got two guys in front of the center that's on the other side of the ball before the center snap the ball, they get it.

Their defense is really good. Now, their defense hasn't been as dominant, like attacking the quarterback. They still, man, Jaylor Phillips is going to play big dividends. You saw him, did you see him how violent he? Oh, Joe, he violent. Oh, yeah. And that's the one thing when you're looking for a defensive lineman or Joe. Yeah.

Edge rush or de-tackle, is he violent? How violent is he with his hands? Look at him, said the edge. Y'all go watch him how he locking out. He got to tidy it like this. Ah, come here. I don't know where you're going, John Jacob, but you can't go without me.

Right. Hey, he is a hell of a player. Yeah. And he played in Fangio's defense, so he knows this defense. So there's really not a learning curve. But A.J. is absolutely right. Yeah.

Because you look at the Seahawks. If you think you're going to hold them to seven points, you look at the Rams, if you think you're going to hold them to seven points. Ooh. that ain't happening if you think you're going to hold the lions to seven points that ain't happening yeah because at some point time ohcho you're going to have to win a game where you really score 35 38 40 points and they're going to come a time even even when we had the 2000 ravens

there was a situation where we had to outscore jacksonville and we ended up beating them 3835 yes there will come a time defense is doing outstanding but AJ and my only thing is that I said this when it first happened on Jay Ocho I wish he could have kept this private because it's going to look like it's going to look like he care more about production

than wins and everybody wins the game well okay because I'm going to come in here when y'all tell me when I ain't got my 55 passes for 700 yards I'm going to say hey but we won yeah I was barking my ass off for Sequin Yeah, that ain't going to work.

And y'all will look at me crazy. You know what? Comparison is the Thief of Joy, too, Joe, no? When you look at what's going on with the Rams and how they, their offenses, you look at J.S.N. over there in Seattle with Sam Donald, the two are completely different. I mean, in comparing the two to the Eagles, it's a thief of joy and it makes you sad as a receiver. When you look at what J.S.N.A.S. is able to do.

What you look at Devonty Adams and Pook in the Coor or doing over there, And it's kind of different because that offense over there in Philly is not run like that. So I just not totally understand young bull, frustration, man. And I hope, I hope. I hope things do get better. I'm not sure they will because this has been going on since last year. And it's tough. He's in a tough spot.

He's in the tough spot. And people, especially those that are fans of the game, probably won't understand it. As a former player, as a former receiver, as a former elite receiver, just not know anybody you know definitely understand where he's coming from i i do i do can i ask you a question oh jo yes sir you and joe what's that if you making your money in stocks and bonds you're making millions and millions and stocks and bonds it's going to get hard it's going to be hard for somebody to get you to invest in real estate but eagles say we winning and winning how we deviate and all of a sudden try to force feed you the ball right

Because we're having success. Now, if they're not having success, it's easy. The fans are also going to be on A.J.'s side. But because they're winning, it's hard to get fans to come on your side, Joe, when you're winning and you're not getting the numbers that correlates with that winning. Yeah. Hey, look, hey, we sell me two. Fair all that damn crying.

Ain't nobody care nothing about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, y'all say this has been going on since last year. I bet he held it in his long. as he could. Yeah, that's why he reads books on the sideline. Why do you have a book on the sideline? I'm trying to find things to distract me.

I'm trying to find and do things in game that are going to distract me the fact that I'm not being productive. Because if I don't read this book, I'm going to pour out all this gatorade on the sideline. Ain't nobody going to have it to drink. Hey, my baby watching. Hey, Kennedy, I love you.

I love you. You should be in bed. I think there's school tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. but I love you and thank you for supporting Daddy. What up to win? This is crazy. I can't believe

they're going three and out more than any offense since 2014 and they're seven and two. Yeah. That's the mark of a really, really good football team. Yeah. And getting done.

Yes. Do y'all think about Ocho, they're seven and two and they're going out of a high clip of three and outs than any office since 2014. Yeah. you do realize that we saw about five or six years of the Jets offense and they're worse than the Jets.

Yeah, damn. Ocho! That's funny how that work, huh? They worked at your Bengals. They ended up getting Joe Burrow. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Ocho, your Bengals got Joe Burrow. No need to throw that in there.

There was no need to. But I had to, I had to give, you know, Ocho, we like to do context and perspective. Mm-hmm. Because of optics, you know. it matters. Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. And for them to have the level of success

that they're having with the amount of three and outs, but like I said, the mark of any great unit, can you get done what you need to get done when you absolutely got to have it? When they need to convert a third down, they get it. They had third and 12, boom, picked it up. They had 39, picked it up.

Fourth and one, they get the twoish push. They pick it up. And you know what else too? It comes down to the quarterback, too. The quarterback is a phenomenal decision maker. He does not put the effing ball in harm's way. You can't. He don't put the ball.

He don't put the decision making is phenomenal. If I got to check it down, I'm going to check it down. If it ain't open, I ain't throwing it. I don't care who mad. I don't care who get upset. I'm not having no turnovers. I'm not putting my team behind the eight ball. You can't.

When you go three and out, the last thing, when you have the rate of three and outs that they have, the last thing you do on your choice. turn the football over. That's a recipe, a great grandma's recipe to get your ass to him. All right,

we got a very special guest joining us. Texas A&M wide receiver Casey Conception, 40 reception, 629 yards, 8 TDs on the season. Casey,

how you doing? Hey, I'm doing amazing, man. Hey, hey, let me hold some of that NIL, right?

I got you, I got you. So coming into the season, the season, Casey. What were your, what was the team goals? What did you guys want to accomplish? There's 12 teams in the playoffs and the SEC title. So when, when Coach Elko came up there and you guys assembled together, what was some of the goals that he wanted you guys to get done this year? He wanted us to be in Atlanta, you know. He wanted us to be there for the SEC championship, you know, and then, and then, and then eventually in Miami.

So, hmm. far so good. You just went down to Miami, thumped them. You got South Carolina at home, you got Sanford at home, and everything that you possibly hope for are probably going to come down to you in Texas on ABC at Daryl Royal's radio. But you can't think about that. You're thinking about South Carolina now. What do you guys need to do? Because you guys have played extremely well. Your quarterback is probably going to be in New York as one of the guys for the Heisman Trophy. Marcel Reed is playing unbelievable.

What is it, the connection with you guys because, hey, bro, you're doing it. You're doing your thing. You got 40 catches, but you got eight touchdown. So once every five times you touch the ball, you, you have. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Getting to it. Got you, man. Got you. Let me ask you this. As I mentioned, your quarterback, Marcel Reed. he's a guy known as more of a running quarterback but his ability this year to throw the football

because yeah you guys run it but he's dropping dives to you and the other receivers what have you seen in the growth and the maturation of him? Yes sir so coming in you know we all heard that he wasn't a passer he wasn't a pastor and then you know upon my official visit here I had came to see him throw him and I'm like dang

like he can actually throw the ball, you know, but, you know, they were just letting us know that, you know, that they need some more weapons, you know, inside the offense that can create these big plays for them. So, so we need it. Hey, what has it been like for you? As far as the season is going so far, obviously, as a receiver, before every season, we set, you know, long-term, short-term goals. We set long-term goals as well.

Have those goals, have you met those goals yet in your expectations that you had, you set out for yourself before the season started? Yes and Mosef, you know, I came here to, you know, they won a championship, you know, of course, you know, we all got our personal goals, you know, but I'm always about the team first, you know. I came here, you know, to win a championship and whatever they need me to do to do that, I'm going to get it done, so let's do it.

Casey, you kind of remind me of myself, because when I was growing up, when I got anxious, I sped up my talk and I would have a speech impediment. and I talk with a list. I start, I get anxious and my grandfather would say, story down, son. You don't have to be in a hurry to speak. How have you been able to, how have you been able to like embrace who you are?

Like, okay, this is who I am. Because if you take ownership of your vulnerabilities and your insecurities, no one can make you feel inferior about them. So how have you been able to embrace who you are? This is a part of who you are. But, you know, as you go to the next level, you're going to have to get better and better. And I'm sure you will.

If that's something that you're working on. Yes, sir. So, you know, I've been stuttering all my life, you know. My dad, he started also, so, you know, just, you know, having conversations with him, you know, and seeing how he has dealt with it. And then, you know, being a role model or somebody that these little kids can, you know, look up to, you know, if they have a speech impediment or if they have trouble, you know, talking, you know. So, yeah, that's probably. Do you get anxious when you have to speak publicly or you speak in front of a crowd or you talk in front of the team? Do you get anxious? You're like, don't call on me. No, I don't want to give them no pregame beat. I don't want to give him no pimp talk. I just want to go out here and do my job.

I just want to go out there and play, man. You feel me? Like, I like talk like here and there, you feel me? But it's not like no big old speeches in the same. Yeah. You ain't going to give me no remember the Titan speech. I'm Coach Boone. also if I'm not

correct me from wrong you love to cook and you cook a lot for your teammate so so what what's your signature deal all right so I'll probably had the guys come over right I'll probably make some

salmon on the black stone probably make chicken breasts on the black stone make yams maggot cheese probably a little rocky hey yo come on yeah

show me yeah oh you hey boy you know I'm gonna too I went to school for that I went to color I went to culinary arts school about two years and I, yeah, I got kicked out. You know, I was stealing shit, but I ain't know a lot of it. Yeah, but I cook too.

I throw that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So I'm a cook, you know, go ahead, go ahead. I'm a cook, you know, on my life, you know, I grew up watching my father, my mom and my auntie, you know, Paula, you know, cook and, you know, I just, you know, to watch them and then as I gotten, and then as I have gotten older, you know, I'm on my own now, so, you know, I got to make my own meals now, so.

So you be parking that stipend, you be pocketing your money that you both be spending on food. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, but listen, this is a good thing. This is a lot of people watching, you know, especially for us fellas, man. You got, that's a great tool. That's a great tool to have your toolbox to be able to cook, you know, not just for yourself, but you're not, you married. Nah, nah, not. You got a lady, though.

You see, I ain't paul dead. They say, no, I ain't mad, but I got somebody. Okay, okay, okay. But that's a great thing. For Valentine's Day, what you cook for your lady? Valentine's Day when I'm going to cook. Yeah, yeah, give us a good one. Hey, hold on.

Let me write this down before you go. Valentine's Day, you know, all right, look. I'm going to try a little mashed potatoes, you know, with the little steak bites, you know, with the... What? What? What? Okay, okay. Right that down for me.

You feel? Write that down for me. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Hold on. The snowflake steak that's so buttery and melts in your mouth, the snowflake steak. Y'all.

Yeah. And then we go, like then we go, the median well, though. You feel me? We go beating well. Okay. I'm not there. Now you're talking. Now you're talking.

Okay. And then we'll probably put a little asparagus on the side, feel me? I just want you to know, I just want you to know, uh, uh, hopefully, uh, uh, Casey, before you, you, you know, you already got you, you're pleasant you, you don't got everything you need to get done before you feed it his meal because you going straight and sleep. Hey, no, they, no, they're popping up for that. Straight his leave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

All that. Okay. It lights me. Night night. Yeah. Hey, she's going to hit you with the step girl. She takes that last bite.

It's a win. I just saw you know. Yes, sir. Hey, KC., tell me something. Who you modeled your game after that? So, growing up, you know, I watched a lot of table on the highlights at West Virginia. And then now, and then now I would say probably like a Jamar Chase. I like to watch tomorrow

his, you know, his, you know, after the catchability, so definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because you know what? You do, because you're tremendous once you get the ball in your hand. And I like watching you're in the slot.

But I thought you should have three touchdown. Now one day you dropped that one across the minute. Hey, Rodd-old. It was dime, too. You remember what I'm talking about that. Yeah, it was right over the guy. That's a, that's me. That's a bit.

I'll talk about that one. So what was your personal goals coming into this season? So coming into the season, you know, I just wanted to, you know, bounce back, you know, from my sophomore year, you know, and just let the world know, you know, that I'm, that I'm one of, that I'm one of the best players in college football. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Hey, you got to do me one way, though. You got to talk a little bit more shit. You got to let them know this me. I'm here. I've arrived. I'm him. You know, and if you don't want to do it, I do it for you. It ain't no problem.

Say this. I got you, bet. Say less. Yes, sir. Yeah. I'll see you this Saturday. That's, because that's what guys have to know. I had a speech impediment.

Then I started talking. And the more I talked, I'm like, yeah. Yeah. exactly what I was saying. So I'll go down. And I'll be like, you suck. You know what I'm saying? You understand.

So that's how I got. That's how you got to do, Casey. Man, Casey, hey, man, congratulations on the season you're having. Keep it going. You're a couple of games away from your ultimate destiny. One of your destinations is being in Atlanta, SEC championship game. Stay healthy.

And hey, once you guys get to Atlanta for the SEC championship game, come back and talk to us and tell her how you did. Yes, sir. Hey, I'm going to have to come down. We're going to have to come down there. We're going to have to come down there. Magid and some jams.

We got to come down there and see what you. See what you're putting down. Hey, yes, for a real. All right. We're going to see if you cook it like that. We're going to stream it live. And I'm going to be one foul with them now. I'm going to say this is some boo.

I appreciate you, Jordan. That's Casey. Can you guys. Yeah, thank you. One of the, uh, takes in the wide receivers, 40 catcher, 625 yards, eight touchdowns. Congratulations thus far in the season. Keep it going. Yeah.

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