Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Iso Joe react to the Pacers blowing out the Thunder to force Game 7!

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Iso Joe Johnson react to Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers blow out Shai Gilgeous Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder to force a Game 7, the Buss family sells the Lakers to Mark Walter, & Nick Young says Tim Duncan’s spurs were not a dynasty and much more!05:00 - Pacers v OKC19:00 - Buss Fam sells majority ownership of Lakers25:41 - Utah and Lakers possible trade centered on Hachimura for Collins29:45 - Swaggy P: Tim Duncan spurs not a dynasty team39:46 - Drama around Ace Bailey52:55 - Jeff Fisher thinks KD is going to Miami(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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there you you you'll be glad you did so thank you Hall of Excellence for having me over there last night all right Joe the Pacers beat the Thunder so we do have a game 7 on Sunday 108 to 91 nobody I mean really no one from the Thunder played really well Thunder had five turnovers in the second quarter I mean first quarter seven in the second quarter, I mean, first quarter, seven in the second quarter. So they had 12 turnovers at the half. Obe Toppin had four, three porters, the Thunder starters had one.

This is the best we see, look, Pace was a place in really good basketball this postseason, Joe. But tonight, the way they swarmed, they forshade eight turnovers. Seven of 15, 0 of one, seven of eight, but four turnovers, minus 17 in 31 minutes. Jalen Williams, who coming off that had a 40 point game

the other night, played sensational. He was minus 40 in the plus minus. Six of 13, 0 of four, four or five and only 27 minutes Joe TJ McConnell is the first bench player in NBA history 60 plus points 25 plus assists 15 plus rebounds in the NBA finals He's doing this off and when you look at it, I know they said they're looking at it Joe They're looking at it. Just about they looking at it, Joe, it's about bad. I'm a cook, old boy. Yep, yep. And the next day, you know,

he done told you, you look at him, and he's like, damn, boy, TJ got deep in us tonight. Joe, what did you like about what you saw from the pace? Because there was a lot of uncertainty. Is Tyrese Halliburton gonna play? If he doesn't play, can they win without him? If he does play, how, you know, how limited would he be? What did you like most?

What impressed you most about Indiana? Man, is Halliburton pulling our leg? Is he pulling our leg man? Come on now. Yeah, he something. But anyway, uh, I thought Indiana played great. I thought that you know to get off to a good start I thought okay, see start the game off pretty good. I was like, okay They look like they gonna put these boys away. They ain't going to play with them. And man, as soon as they start, as soon as Indiana starts serving, TJ came in.

I think his energy, his effort is so infectious to his, the other teammates, that they feed off that. Now, is he the guy? No, he's not the guy. But the energy and effort that he plays with, you can't substitute for that, man. He's making plays on both ends of the court. I thought offensively, it's almost like OKC was like,

okay, we gonna let TJ, if he gonna be, if he gonna turn in the AI and score all the points, we just gonna play him for one on one. And we gonna let him score as much as he can. But defensively, he was swarming. You know, you get these other guys involved. And it's like they were like two or three steps Faster than okay see tonight for whatever reason you know after probably the first couple minutes It's like Indiana took over man. They never looked back

They killed them in every quarter on except, you know the fourth quarter the last quarter We're you know, we don't count cuz they were down 30 going into the fourth man It was a it was a sight to see I hadn't seen OKC play like this a lot throughout this postseason. And to see every guy in that starting lineup with negatives, plus minus negatives by their name. Indiana just had more, it's like more resilience tonight. They knew what was their state, obviously. They didn't want them boys to close them out on their home floor and they played like it

tonight. It was a great game. They absolutely did. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe home floor and they played like it tonight. It was a great game. They absolutely did. Yeah. Go ahead, Joe. Pretty sure. I thought they played a great game. I thought their energy and effort was there. Defensively, they were swarming.

They killed them in every category. Every. But it was rebounds. Rebounds, outs, assists. Out assists, steals. Like blocks. OKC had no chance. They had no chance.

Not tonight. They looked, when they got down, I hadn't seen, like I said, I hadn't seen OKC had no chance. They had no chance. Not tonight. They looked, when they got down, I hadn't seen, like I said, I hadn't seen OKC look like that throughout this postseason. But when they got down, they looked like they didn't have what it took to come back. And Indiana just kept pulling it, kept pulling it. So I give a lot of credit, obviously,

to they bench, who has been tremendous. Indiana's bench has been great throughout this whole postseason. You look at Topping with 20 points, TJ with 12, and they just had a bunch of guys chip in, man. And defensively, I thought this was probably one of the best outputs they did, that they put out, you know, pretty much throughout this whole postseason. You're absolutely right. It didn't start off very well, because I think they

missed like their first eight shots. I mean, they were rushing. It seemed like everybody wanted to make, beat, make the, make the, uh, the run by themselves to make, uh, OKC give up. But once they got it going, boy, they got it going. They couldn't stop them. Joe, I mean, they hit now all of a sudden they couldn't make a three. Now all of a sudden they couldn't miss a three. And once they got it Florida, I mean, I was like, man, Indiana's played extremely well.

But then they allowed OKC to close, to cut it, to close it. And I was like, damn, OK, OKC finished this quarter out strong because it's always OK, how do we start and how do we finish? You're always trying to close out a quarter, end of the first, going into half, going into the fourth, you know, the third, going into the fourth. And, uh, I thought the OKC did a very good job of that, but man, when they started that second quarter, they opened up a can on them, Joe, they opened up a can on them and you're absolutely right. Jalen Williams, who came off a 40 point effort in game six, he has the lowest plus minus in finals game in the play by play era. He was minus 40.

Now he's going to be looking to get that get back on, on, on Sunday. Uh, I don't think shade is going to play as bad as he played. She didn't play that bad. It was just hard. The shots that he normally would make. He didn't get, though, he didn't get that bounce tonight, but I just think it was, again, you look at it, 16, 10, 17, 14, 20, 12, the six guys in double figures. Again, you know, they normally keep five, six guys in double figures.

Sometimes occasionally they'll speak a seventh guy in there and get him in double figure. Um, uh, miles Turner didn't play his, you know, only one field goal tonight. One of nine from the floor or three from the three, one of two from the free throw line, but you know, man, Siakam was good. Neesmith was good. Niemhart, Tyrese Halliburton was sensational. Ovi Toppett was sensational.

TJ McConnell, I mean, what do you say about him? I mean, he's the energizer bunny. And I thought in the second quarter, what they did is they played him and Halliburton together. Yeah, I thought. And Halliburton didn't really have a problem with him having the ball. He didn't. I just, Halle looked like he was a step faster today than he was in game five. Yeah, for me, damn they put up a performance against OKC today. You look at Caruso,

he had many points as me and you had tonight. Yeah, yeah, he got some cardio in. Yeah, they can't win without they bench contributing. Unless Shea and Williams go off, you know, but man, it's just, look at Chec Hungward. Like, it's just, I don't know, man. They seemed a little disinterested once they got down. They just could not get back in the game once Indiana went on one of their big run

and kind of separated themselves. You, I thought that OKC had a run in them, especially in second half, but Indiana, they were flaming, man. They was going. They were going. You couldn't, you couldn't slow them down. I'm talking about everybody on their team was scoring, defensively were in tune. And they just seemed like a well-oiled engine tonight who could not be stopped.

And that's a uncharacteristic of OKC, especially defensively. Yeah, it really was. Uh, SGA eight turnovers, two assists tied for the most turnovers in a game six in finals history. Um, you know, I can say he didn't, he didn't get, couldn't get his offensive game going and he couldn't get anybody. Well, I don't know if he couldn't no one can make shots eight turnovers Like I said, they had 12 at the half. They did a great job when he turned his back

CJ McConnell was looking to pick his pockets. They gave him a lot of different looks tonight They did a great job, but they knew they had to do a great job or else they were going home and look No one wants to lose lose it's not easier losing or you lost it alone but I you I damn sure don't want you celebrating on my court I don't want you celebrating you know all my fans done gone home everybody disappointed and a handful of fans that y'all got in there they said yeah and y'all dapping them up y'all drinking champagne ah nah hell nah hey look I think I think Indiana really fed off the crowd especially a lot of them old veteran guys

who've been around, played for the... Yeah, Reggie Miller was there, Ron Artest. Coming back, showing them guys love, and, you know, that's an extra incentive meaning, you know, you don't wanna lose on your home court like that and have them guys celebrating. And I thought they played like, I mean, from... Obviously, after the first, what, three, four minutes,

they settled in, they started making making shots and it was a wrap How the bird didn't even look like he had an injury tonight the way he was moving. He did not he did not But I thought he did a better job of getting to his spot He's a right-handed I was watching the thing today and they chart tracking where he shoots the ball from yeah Prior to the night he had only made like one or two shots from in their playoffs and on the left side So he must have seen all this stuff is to the right yeah he must have seen it too cuz he start making some shots over there on that left side man he did hey hey this game seven I don't know I don't know I know I know I

I'm gonna be honest I would not be shocked if the Pacers, because I believe, and we talked about this, Joe, in game six, I believe Rick Carlisle should have went with TJ McConnell. Once he was, Tyrese Halliburton was giving, I think he should have rolled TJ McConnell a little more, a little longer. He went back, and I get it, it's a veteran guy,

you know, he's the head of your team, but that night he didn't have it and TJ was playing extremely well. But you're right, I think that two day rest gave him an opportunity to get a lot of treatment, get that thing massaged out, he kept it warm and now guess what? They got it, they got two, they got 24, 48, they got about 60 plus hours before they play again. So he gets treatment all the way They are what you think they'll leave tonight and they'll leave tomorrow since they don't play until a Sunday. They probably gonna leave They probably only Saturday you don't think they'll leave Saturday

You think they'll leave Saturday have a shoot around in Indy and then go probably so man. This is it. I mean LAB. I don't know what else we got to tell you, team. This is it. This is the last game of the season. Last game of the season. So I feel like Rick Carlisle's done an awesome job this postseason with these guys.

And I think these guys are going to be up for this challenge, knowing that they hadn't played terribly in OKC. They have been in games. Well remember they went to the winning game one. Yeah they won game one. So they feel they feel if you win one time there Joe you know you feel you can win again. Amen. You just got to be better than them this last game and it's gonna be I think this is gonna be be, this is going to be one, one to remember cause, uh, you know, okay. See, obviously we didn't talk about them being a dynasty.

They understand what's at stake. You got guys who didn't play well tonight, who obviously going to be looking to have a bounce back game in a major way. I can't, I can't believe they, they had a performance like this from okay. See, I ain't going to lie. Yeah. They seem to attach lower tonight. Maybe the Pacers played with a little bit more pep in this step, but they did seem to have a little bit more bounce.

And once the lid was taken off the basket, I thought the Pacers started to put it in at a high clip. And now you get one shot, you miss, they go down another in the make. And I say it like again, they close out the first quarter good, but Indy started that second quarter. It was on fire, and they didn't look back. And then the end of the third, you have Shepard hit that shot, and it's up 30.

And you see Dagnar, he raised the white flag. Said, OK, we'll see you in OKC for game seven. Look, just from the hustle points alone for me, you know, that kind of determines, you know, who wanted more. And, I mean, they just beat them in every facet of the game, man, and that's uncharacteristic of an Oklahoma City Thunder team who has been,

you know, tremendous throughout this whole, not just the regular season, but the postseason. So to see them get beat like this, damn, it's tough. It is. It really is. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi for a conversation that's anything but ordinary.

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podcasts. Joe, the Buss family. And it's been in their family, the Lakers have been in their family since what, 1979, when Dr. Jerry Buss purchased the team from Jack Kent Cooke, who was the owner of the Washington football team. They were not the football team then, the commanders, but we know who they were. But, and he purchased that from them. So Mark Walter, who also owns the Dodgers, um, he owns a soccer premier team is a Chelsea.

What is it? Doesn't he? I think he owns a sock, but anyway, he has a lot of money and he purchased the majority ownership for evaluation of approximately $10 billion. The largest sale of a professional sports franchise in the world. Jeannie will still act as the governor. Per Ramona Shelburne, Jeannie's role as governor of the Lakers is in writing. Unlike Mark Cuban, who has a verbal, hey, I'm going to stay on.

Hertz is in writing. Shelburne believes Mark Walter values Jeannie Buss ability to connect with the Lakers fan base, brand and leadership skill. Walter similarly kept much of the Dodgers leadership in place when acquiring to observe the which employees he would build around. So he owns the Dodgers and we know since he's owned the

Dodgers they bought a couple of World Series or the Lakers. You know, Lakers were a little hesitant to spend because they have a whole lot of money. Now they got major, they got major brand. This should scare a lot of people because first of all, this is Lakers. Yeah. There's no bigger band in basketball than the Lakers and now they got an owner that has deep deep pockets. Dee, he's gonna be willing to go into the luxury tax. Ava in the second apron. Me, I dig in my pocket, I ain't got nothing but some linen there. That's all I got for you. And you know what, Joe, I was thinking about it, I was like, damn. I was trying to think

like, who? I was like, I don't think the Bus family ever would ever sell the Lakers. Ten billion. Yeah. Yeah. They made one plan. Money on. That money. Yeah. Oh.

Oh. Because you know, you come to the table like, what about 7 billion? See, when you come to the table and you spend, and you basically spend 3.9 billion more than any franchise because the sale tickets just sold for 6.1. So you say, you know what? I will give you 3.9 more billion than what that team sold for 6.1. So you say, you know what? I will give you 3.9 more billion than what that team sold for. And that team sold after they won the finals, uh, championship. Hey, look, he, he knows it's going to be worth it. We're having Braun and Luca there. You know,

you got two major, major superstars. Uh, and people are going to be willing to pay the price, the ticket price to come check, to check the Lakers out. So I feel like he felt like he got in on a good deal Yeah, you know, yeah He's been successful, you know professional sports so to add the Lakers to it man, that's Yeah, you add the Lakers to your portfolio. It's uh, you got to feel pretty good about that Yeah, hey look, you ain't gonna get much bigger than that. Yeah, I thought so.

Damn. Ooh, that's a lot of, he owns, he owns, so he owns the Lakers now, the Dodgers, Chelsea. He owns a F1 racing team, LA Sparks, and the professional women's hockey league. And he's the CEO of Guggenheim, right? Woo. Yeah.

Lord have mercy. Yeah, he's gonna put him in a different stratosphere, man. You know, you got owners like that who willing to spin, you know, it ain't no limit to what they willing to do to make, yeah man to make their team successful Wow, and like you said he does have Luca he has two superstars on the team So even when Luke when LeBron retires a year or two or whatever that is. He still has Luca who's a superstar Yeah, the Lakers have always had a superstar and I'm sure they've all they've all they've you go back and study the Lakers have always had a superstar. And I'm sure they've all, if you go back and study the Lakers, since they moved to LA, they had Baylor and West, and then they got Kareem, and then they got Magic, and then they got, you know, they had a once, you know,

Magic retired, you know, well, he's, you know, had HIV diagnosis. He stepped away, they ended up getting shot, and then, you know Kobe Kobe was there so without before about a year or two They were not a superstar and then LeBron comes and now when LeBron, you know Transitions away to a normal civilian life. You still got Luca So for the better part since they've been it I mean since they've been in LA especially since the other 60s

They've had a superstar and that's what if you been in LA, especially since the 60s, they've had a superstar. And that's what, if you're in LA, look, LA is about superstars. It's really that simple. You go back and look at the Dodgers, whether it was Colfax or all the people, the guys that they've had, that's what you need. So think about this.

You know they gotta bring them guys some help. They gotta bring some help in the LA, meaning, you know, we talked about them always needing the big, you know, especially throughout this postseason. So I expect this offseason for the NBA to be one to remember. And I can see the Lakers making a big push for a big trade or something. They got to do something to get somebody in there to help them guys, man. Especially if you want to be in contentions when it comes down to the playoffs next year, because the west is too deep. The west is too deep to try to put that weight and that load on strictly LeBron and Luca. They're going to need some help. They need a big. They really need a big bag. And I ain't just talking about somebody just big, just big. I'm talking about somebody big you can count on said, okay every game I'm gonna get I'm gonna get 10 to 14 from that person

I'm gonna get somewhere 7 to 10 rebounds from that person You know just having somebody that's because they seven foot tall in one game to give you 10 the next game They give you cardio that ain't gonna cut it. That's really not You need you need a couple of shooters That's really not. You need a couple of shooters and you need a big. You need some consistency. Hey look, a lot of rumors floating around about a lot of guys, man.

And I'm looking forward to this free agency, to the draft. Obviously I think things will probably transpire before the draft, some of these trades. And I'm looking for the Lakers to make a big splash. The draft is the 25th. The draft is next Wednesday. Yeah. Well, since speaking of trade, the Lakers and Jazz have reportedly

discussed a trade similar around Ruah Hachimura and John Collins for Anthony Irwin. Many within the Lakers organization believe Collins would be especially great fit alongside Luca. He can jump out to gym. Since their season ended, they have had few conversations with Utah to try to land a 27-year-old big, big man with Rui Hachimura, often the centerpiece of the deal. Yeah, I like John Collins. He played here in Atlanta for a little while. Yeah, I think he'll be a great addition for those guys because he, defensively, you he can he can score it a little bit defensively

He's solid and he'll be a guy who can definitely take some pressure off those guys and you know from night to night Any given night, you know, he can have big nights, you know what I mean? Yeah, he can he can give you 25 points 12 rebounds on any given night and I think to have guys like that You know you you're gonna need that throughout the throughout the regular season and if you make it to the postseason to be elite, to be able to compete in that Western Conference, man. You're going to need, you need John Collins. You still may need a little more help though. Oh, for sure. For sure. But all things being equal, I'd probably rather have Kessler. I'd rather have a big kid that can dominate the paint because he's a great rim protector. He can block shots.

He can be a lob threat if needed. But I, that's, that's a little John Collins is a lob threat. He can make, you know, he, like you said, he probably gives you 15 to 17 a night, but they really need the big, they need somebody, Joe that can, that can block shot, that can protect the paint. Because when they go, when they go big and they have Rui and LeBron playing the four and the five, or the five and the four however you wanna look at them,

that's not enough. That's not gonna win your championship with LeBron and Rui Hutchamore playing four and five or five and four. It ain't but the thing is, it ain't many big guys out here. Like they ain't. They should have got that guy from Charlotte.

You think they can still get him? He a free agent, isn't he? What is it, Mark Williams? Yeah. He a free agent? Look what he average, like 16 and 10 for them? Yeah, I know, but he on. Man, they get a big, they average 16 and 10.

Oh, they going to the Western Conference finals. But he's on a bad team. Can know, he can't he do that with the lady Yeah, you you think he can expect expectations gonna be different Joe. It's gonna be a lot different It's a lot different playing down there in Charlotte playing down there in Charlotte with no with no eye ain't nobody watching Nobody watching man. It's a little different. You can come out, you know play loosey goosey have fun You get to LA every game You gonna feel like you want to find those almost Well, what about Deandre Ayton? I like it. I like them. They ain't here for agent

No, but he probably could be had He's up so we have a three plus three plus an option It's a team option a player option Damn it's been that long since they wanted your finals. Hey, are you trying trying to get off market man over there? Laura oh nah hell nah, you should try to build around him Well, he's good. Aitin is good because he has an expiring contract. He only has this one this last year coming up. So he's a prime candidate. You know, NBA, they love getting them guys on the last year of a deal, Joe. Because you know what you're going to get out of them. You're going to get the best out of him you plan on he tried to get he tried to keep trying to

Get that moolah he tried to get that thriller you already know ain't no way they give that nowadays Boy, you be a fool not to be out there and give him your best. Oh, yeah Yeah, give him give him 20 and 10. That's that's 40 me. That's five years. That's for a full year five years 200 mil I like a not I think you can even play through him a little bit, you know from oh, yeah But I don't know if that's gonna happen. I know it's wishful thinking for you, you know, you Know swaggy P have a hot take this morning Tim Duncan Spurs was not a dynasty team Man I ran into him a few times What was that 2002 I was playing with Stefan Marbury. He was the

point guard. We were AC playing against the Spurs who was a 1C. I think that was a Marries rookie year. We played them and we won game one on San Antonio. But after that, it was a wrap. You went to weather that. It was a wrap. Then a couple years later, we get Steve Nash. Obviously we the best team in the league and they beat us again. Like they have been in the way.

Like the Santa, what you mean they ain't been a dynasty? I don't know, but I want to know his definition. I mean, you figure, you look at all the championships they won, they won in, they won in 99. Yeah. They won in what, oh, three. They won in probably what, five. They won in seven.

He ain't said they wasn't. He ain't. Swag is, so I want to know what his definition is. Bro, you can be a dynasty. Look, I think the thing is, what happened, unless you won a three-peat, like the Laker, like a Shatt and Kobe or Jordan, you're not a dynasty. That's bull-jive.

Yeah, that is it. No. Bro, they won four championships in at least a 10-year span. Yeah. What is that? I would definitely call it a dynasty. How many teams, other than the Celtics, the 60 Celtics,

can say they won four championships in a 10-year span? Basically, you're looking at the Celtics, the 60 Celtics can say they won four championships in a 10 year span. Basically you're looking at the Celtics and you're looking at the Bulls. The Bulls won six in an eight year span. But I'm trying to figure out so who else can say that? Nobody. So I guess you're gonna say what you call what the dynasty? The Warriors uh the warriors wars not that mean but by his talking the warriors are not a dynasty he played and just because you don't win time i guess you can say well they didn't because the spurs they never did win the title back to back but four in 10 years so it might have been more than shorter than that. 99, 03, 05, 0, no, they know that'd be five. I'm saying, but they won four in like a eight year span.

So 99, 03, 05, and then they won what, another seven? In seven? You know what it is? Yeah, what? You know what it is? Bro, they won, yeah, bro, come on, bro. They won four in eight years. Because I'm from Swaggy probably thinking like, you know, they wouldn't exciting to watch, you know, Yeah, bro. Come on, bro. They won they won four and eight years because I from swaggy

Probably thinking like, you know, they wouldn't exciting to watch, you know, no, they're not and they broccoli fighting the watch But it ain't good to you. They but it's good for you. They got it done man. They got it done Okay, how you cut it? I can see that. I definitely consider them a dynasty. Yeah for sure. Oh, yeah Yeah Yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah Yeah Look you look at what they had it got Tim Duncan Who's you can make a case that he's a top 10 player of all time with his accomplishments both? Offensively and defensively you look at Tony Parker and look how they did it with the exception of Duncan Did you actually think when they got Tony Parker and they got Mono Gennobli,

do you think at one point, what point in time did you say, you know what, Mono Gennobli, he gonna be a Hall of Fame player. Tony Parker is gonna mess around and be a finals MVP. They wasn't, they weren't, I mean, I don't understand that Parker was a first round pick, but he wasn't highly acclaimed. He wasn't a lot of your pick.

He wasn't. What pick was Tony Parker, like 1920 something? Hey, that was my draft. That was 01, we came in together. What was Parker? Parker's like number 22 or something like that. Yeah! Yeah. 28.

28. Yeah. That's almost last in the first round. Yeah, and Janobla was the second round pick. Because it's the system. It's the system they have that Pop has created. The plug and play, you know, is having that discipline, understanding your role. Gotta play a certain way.

Yeah, understanding your role. And we ain't having no foolishness around here. You hear me? Ain't gonna be no foolishness, hey. We gonna be led by Tim Duncan, who has been awesome since he came into the NBA playing next to David Robinson. Yeah. Man, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, He wasn't 20. He was a full grown man and he don't get that today. And he conducted himself as a full grown man.

And you know, coach Popovich and coach Belichick, they get along. They're a lot alike because Timmy allowed coach Pop to coach him hard. Yeah. Tom allowed coach Belichick to coach him hard. So if your best player is getting coached hard, how you think you're going to get coached? Right. How can you complain when they don't complain?

Timmy never complained. And the thing, and that's kind of what ended up breaking the spurs up. Because everybody up until Kawhi allowed coach Pop to coach him a certain way. I agree. Kawhi was very unique and Kawhi was different. And sometimes the best job, sometimes as a coach, you have to understand who you can ride and who you have to pat on the back because you can't put your foot in

everybody's butt because some guys are buck. Right. Hey, look, you got to think about this too. Before they got Tim Duncan, they were one of the top teams in the NBA. And then I think they had an injury. I don't know if it was. Dave Robinson got injured.

That's how they ended up getting Tim Duncan. They had them twin towers. And it's like they were cheating. But yeah, you're right. I thought Tim Duncan came into the NBA, and he was very, for a rookie. And you don't necessarily see that meaning. You could play through him.

He was so dominated at that power for position. It wasn't many guys who were stopping. No, he understood the system. He played within the system and they dominated. They domineered. I think that was what the lockout year when he came in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you look at he got you got David Robinson Tim Duncan I mean, yeah to David Robinson Tim Duncan and I think Sean Elliott. He has on that team. Yeah. Yeah, they have

Great bitch. I'm every Johnson So, you know, I mean look you got two tops You got to stop 75 players with David Robinson and Tim Duncan even though Timmy was a rookie. Right. But he was mature. I think the last senior to be number one overall was Kenyon Martin, which was the next year. Yeah, yeah.

So now guys are coming out of freshman. And at one point in time, the guys, you know, LeBron and Dwight Howard didn't even go to college. And they were the number one overall. So you gotta go back 25, 26 years, the last time you had a senior be selected number one overall. Because people look at a senior, oh, Joe Niles with the money, they're like,

bro, you that good, why you still in college? That ain't love. Even if you were a junior, bro, you that, I mean, hold on, you that good, what you still doing here? Hey, uh, because when I was in college, that was the thing, it was like, man, if you stay more than two years, they gonna think something wrong with you. And, uh, you know, I got that, uh, from the, from the late great, uh, uh, Wallace

Prather who, uh, coasted Atlanta Celtics out here in Atlanta when I was a, when I was a junior high school, I came out here and played with the Celtics and that's, that's one thing he was telling me, you stay longer than two years, they're going to think something wrong with you. Nowadays, you ain't getting no, it ain't going to be no number one pick. There's no seniors no more. I ain't going to see that no more. No. And they talking about even with the NIL, they like cool flashes,

stay another year for what? Slayer ain't staying no more. His whole, the whole objective is get to the NBA or the NFL. Okay. If I can collect five, six, eight million dollars and get, and get there in the same amount of time, no. All they did was speed up the process. Yeah.

My ability and the ability to enter into the draft. Now it's different than the NFL because you can't go before your junior year. But other than that, I'm not waiting around. I'm trying to get to the bag than that, I'm not waiting around. I'm trying to get to the bag as soon as I possibly can. Yeah. Cause the sooner he get in there and play, get them two, three years up. They're going to go up and down.

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Bailey reported canceled his pre-draft workout with the Sixers. The Sixers have not ruled out selecting Bailey with the number three overall pick in the 2025 draft. Team Phil Bailey has received poor advice during the pre-draft process after agent demanded payment for interviews. Ace Bailey reported has Omar Cooper, the father of Sharif Cooper, representing him as an agent.

Bailey remains the only U.S. best-based prospect yet to visit any teams. Joe, if you could offer, you went through this process, you played 15-plus years. What's some advice you would give Ace Bailey if you could talk Gizir? Uh, for me, man, I would tell him, at least hear some of these teams out. You know, maybe the first few teams that's picking, maybe

he don't even want to be drafted by them. You know what I mean? But I've gotten a chance to see Ace Bailey play in high school and in college. He is gonna be an elite pro and maybe he knows and understands that. He probably knows and understands his work. But there is a process that we all have to go through when we when we are trying to enter the NBA draft and I'm not sure what you know his agent is telling him or what they're thinking but if I'm Philly man it's gonna be hard to pass him up. Yeah. Man, that man... Because Philly's at three.

That man got a whole lot of game, man. And I could see him fitting in seamlessly with Tyrese. Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah. You hope you get PG and B back healthy. Tyrese Maxey and MB. Tyrese Maxey, not Halliburton. Did I say Halliburton?

Up to Maxey. MB. And even Paul George. I think, you know, they got a, they got a, and they got some great young pieces over there too already. Mm-hmm. But he can flat out score that ball, man. He can flat out. Yeah, McCain. I think McCain got hurt. McCain got hurt. So I thought Philly dealt with a lot of injuries, but add him to that. Man, that's, that's a good look. He can play, y'all. Well, I understand, because the Mavericks ain't working anybody out, but Cooper Flag, so you weren't going to work out for them anyway. Nia, too, San Antonio. At three, Philly,

because you look, San Antonio got a lot of guards already. They got Castle, they got vassal. They got a What's the other? Sashan the Aaron Fox the likelihood of him going cuz I told is he a guard He's he's a heat more. Yeah, he can play on play the two even wait about six eight about six eight six Oh, okay. He he he go he do a little bit everything. He's 16 Joe He I ain't I didn't stand next to him, but from what I've seen, the man jump ball, he played the point, he did everything. He can rebound outside of his area, like, and not only that, like, he has a pro game already, the way he plays.

If you go look at when he played at Rutgers, like, look at the shots that he took. Like, that man is a hell of a shot maker. You know what I mean? So, in the pros, that's what you're looking for You looking for guys who can make tough shots He's gonna be a great pro man, regardless of where he go But if Philly pass upon him at the at the three spot, they're gonna probably regret that Yeah, he tried he tried to pull a Charles Barkley Charles Barkley said they wanted him at like 280 Charles

The bad Philly go check take me and they ain't got no money, talking about paying me $50,000. He said, man, I ain't leave Auburn for $50,000. He said, man, I went to Silsner, had me like three people, had two baked potatoes, all that bread. I waited at $299. They like, we still gonna draft your fat ass. So look, I wonder is it that he don't want to go to Philly? Right. Maybe. But I'm surprised, considering that Rutgers is, I mean, Jersey right now, I mean, you

right down the road. But he probably want that instant, that instant, you know, productivity when he come into the NBA. You know, if he go to Philly, you know, it's still a pecking order. Oh, he's Jordan B. Yeah, I don't care how good he play, it's still going to be a pecking order. Oh, he's joining B. Yeah, I don't care how good he plays. It's still gonna be a pecking order. Well, he ain't working out for nobody, Joe.

I know so. But I don't know. Give me the top five spot. I know Maverick's got one, San Antonio got two, Philly got three, who got four and five? I think Hornet's got the fourth pick. Charlotte has four. You tired. He ain't really trying to go to none of them.

Nah, he ain't really... He ain't out. To be honest, Joe, he ain't really trying to go to none of them. I ain't going to be home with you on that one. Hey, look, if I'm him, Charlotte might not be a bad spot, meaning... It is in Charlotte. It's going to be bad. But look, they got to get some players. They need more players around LaMelo. You already got Miller over there, and Brandon Miller and you add Ace Bailey with that?

Man. That's what he afraid of. He said, I don't wanna get added to that. I wanna get subtracted from that. See, you try to do addition, I'll try to do subtraction. But he gonna be able to put up the numbers that he probably, you know, thinking about putting up. You over there with the Hornets,

you better put up some numbers. Your numbers will be better over there then they gonna be in Philly Hey, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it doesn't make a sound you score in 30 in Charlotte Don't look at Mello Mello average 25 26 in Charlotte. They know I pay no attention to it It's cuz they got a win man you got in them in them markets you got a win in order to be To get some notoriety you got a win man. You got in them in them markets. You got a win in order to be to get some notoriety. You got a win Okay, yeah, yeah Eighth Bailey wanted a promise for the sixes before agreeing to meet with them per Jason Dumas a promise of what he promised what?

He said that if he if he goes and visit it talks to him. He wanted a promise I promise him say yeah, bro, you know what, we gonna draft you. And then like, oh no, we not gonna draft him. Also, they wanted a promise. He wanted a promise, yeah. He probably feel like he number one pick worthy, but honestly, you know, you ain't getting that. Maverick's gonna take Cooper flag.

Maverick take a Cooper flag. And maybe in any other draft, that might've been a possibility. But after Cooper flag did what he did on the U.S. Select team, and then the type of season that he had at Duke, wasn't nobody going in front of that kid. Man, let me tell you something, man. This dude is gonna be a hell of a pro, man.

I'm not saying that he's not, but he ain't gonna go in front of Cooper Flag. He ain't going in front of Cooper Flag. I understand that. But where he do go, I think it does make a difference. Now, I know I said, you know know Philly shouldn't pass up on him but if the way him and his agent are probably thinking at this point like man we want to get you into a situation where you can play right away. So maybe they maybe they tell Philly down because they do want to go to Charlotte or elsewhere. I don't know. Somebody might shoot up the board but if I I'm Charlotte, I ain't passing it.

Right. You can't. Cause you got, you got Dylan Harper. I don't think Dylan Harper Gordon in San Antonio. Cause they got a boatload of guards to begin with. The last thing, the last thing Dylan Harper needed is, is, is, is to be in San Antonio with Fox, with Stefan Castle, with Sushon. Who you think they gonna take with that number two,

that number two pick then? You think they gonna take Dylan Harper? Yeah, I do. I think they gonna- Really? Yeah. Nah, I trade, hey, San, hey, hey, fingers, I traded. Give me Kevin Durant. And that's what I think gonna happen.

That's not, you know, I think, I think at the end think at the end of, I think Durant is gonna probably end up going to the Spurs and that's probably gonna send Dylan Harper, probably to Phoenix. Because I think the thing is, look, I would love to see KD in Houston with Armand Thompson and Shingoon. KD in Houston with with Armand Thompson and Shingoon. Oh, you bring you bring Van Fleet back. So because I think the thing that hurt Houston in late in games ain't got nobody to give it to See with KD you got somebody that you can give it to late in games Shingoon is an all-in-being select. I mean he went to the All-Star game this year Armand Thompson It's a he's coming. Yeah. Plays tremendous defense, can go get buckets. I love him. You got a floor general in Van Fleet.

That's won a championship, knows what it takes to win. I like that. They got great pieces. I mean, they were the number two seed, huh? Yep, they were number two. And the thing is, I'd be willing to give you one. I'd give you Jabari Smith Jr. I'd give you Jalen Green, but you can't have both of them.

For KD? Yeah. I'd give you one of them, but you can't have both of them. For KD? Yeah. I give you one of them and our first round pick. Phoenix gonna run both of them. Nah, no can do. They've already come down on the asking price because the thing is is that you're looking at a situation where they're like, man Desmond Bain went for X amount of picks,

but Desmond Bain, no, he's not the player that Kevin Durant is, but he's probably seven to 10 years younger than Kevin Durant and doesn't have the history of being injured like Kevin Durant. And Orlando was indeed of some shooting. And some defense on the perimeter. Yeah, they need that. So it's probably, they're probably more likely over, you know, over compensated for them. And they had a boat, the thing is, Joe, they're on a handful of teams that had a boatload of picks that could throw at them.

San Antonio got a boatload of picks. Orlando had a boatload of picks. Brooklyn got a boatload of picks. So they got OKC. So you got 10 first round picks. So who cares the heck if you give up four of them? And we're looking at with Paolo Banquero, Franz Wagner, Desmond Bane, Jalen Suggs. We gonna be winning. And so that ain't gonna be no lottery picks anyway. So that's why we left them unprotected.

Because you gonna be picking in the 20s. Right. We don't need to protect nothing in the 20. Right. And I feel like Orlando feel like they time can be now. It can be right. You know, because looking at the East is why I don't JT's hurt. Yeah. He gonna be gone for at least a year. Man, they're right going. He going to San Antonio. Yeah, he gonna say because they you right. They not gonna, they not gonna, I can't really see a rookie helping San Antonio get to where they're trying to get to at this point.

No. Cause they got so many, they got enough young players. Hell, Winville is in third, really, Winville will really be in second year because he got, he ended up, he played less than half the year. So now he's coming back. You got Castle, who was a rookie last year. Yeah, you got some veteran guys. You got De'Aaron Foxley.

You got Shashone. And you got Vassel, Kelton Johnson. You got some guys. But do you really think a rookie is gonna come? Look, I mean, in order to, like I said, think about the rookies that's helped win a championship. You got Magic Johnson, you got Tim Duncan. And that's, look, but that's kind of why I'm I'm

I'm like When you look at Dallas them taking Cooper flag You think Cooper flag gonna be able to get them back to the finals? He too good to fight. He too good to be to uh, he his projection says he's too good to pass up I don't know, man. Is, is, it's going to be, uh, it's going to be interesting next. This, this next week is going to be pretty interesting. I think we're going to see a lot of guys moving around and, uh, obviously

Durant is probably going to be one of the first guys, you know, to join a new team. And whatever team he joins, we know, they gonna be favorite. They gonna be one of the favorites anyway. For sure. When does Free Agency start? Cause you can have, I think they got a tampering period in July, I think it started what, July 5th, July 7th?

Oh, June 30th Wow yeah so hell 11 days yeah so it's gonna be so small yeah yeah yeah Finns got to get some draft capital back but they really want a good they want a good they want at least one to two players that can come in and play right now Hey, if you send them to Houston You get green and Jabari Smith, Jr You I don't think they'll give up both of them though or Joe you don't think so man I think they give up one. They weren't really playing Jabari like that though. Oh, No, no. They weren't really playing him like that. And I feel like if you send him to Phoenix,

that'll put him in a spot where he can flourish. Reckon succeed, yeah. And reach his, what about Jalen Green to Phoenix? Cause him and Book is the same type of a guy. I mean, I mean, Phoenix need a point guard. They need to get Book off the ball, let Book go back to his two, let Book do what Book does. Chris Paul was the, I don't know why they got rid of.

Think about this though, if Phoenix do get Jalen Green, then you got Bradley Beal already there, but what we doing? Yeah, true. So Jabari Smith will be the one they want. Yeah, so, I don't know, man. Inside of Jake Fisher believe Durant is going to Miami. Joe, what can, I'm just trying to figure out what can Miami offer that the Sun, that,

that, what can they offer the Sun? I mean, you got two players and you don't want to give up either one of them. You don't want to give up Bam. You don't want to give up Tyler Hero. Well, if you ask them price and went down, do you got some picks? Let me think of a couple of players you can throw out. They ain't got no picks. I know Duncan Robinson, Highsmith, Jaime Hotkiss, Havoc.

That's why I can't see them going to Miami because they ain't really got nothing they gonna give up. They ain't got nothing. You're gonna try to keep them so you can pair them with KD. I don't see him going to Miami Do you think let's just say for the sake of argument for this discussion he goes to Miami or Miami automatically contenders with him Bam and Tyler hero. Yeah in the East. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Oh They got they got they got my young boy over there. Kill a were he okay

You got some value in him six eleven seven foot, you know, he played great this year for for the Miami Heat Okay, but Yeah, if he if the rank go to Miami yet, they're gonna be one of the favorites for sure. I Think the thing is what happened was a Matt Ishby Ishpa, I know him I went to when I went to the WMB All-Star game, had an opportunity to have some good conversation with him. I think the thing is like, when you come in, I'm going to win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh, I'm going to win.

I'm going to win. And he made some moves that you like, you go back and look at it like, if you got Katie, do you really need Bradley Beal? Right. You probably need to go get somebody, uh, maybe go get a big or get somebody that can defend because you got a bunch of guys that can score and to defend on a nightly basis, you got to have, you got to be able to defend. Look at the two teams that's in the final.

They got wings that can defend. Yeah. You got knee smith, you got them hard. You got C. Alcom could defend, you got math room. You got guys that can defend. And obviously we know what you got. Oh, okay.

See what those wing guys. So you got all this offense, and you don't got, they could be, the thing was with Phoenix, they couldn't stop anybody. Right. Yeah, they could score. But if it's a nip-tuck ball game, now guess what? They're getting, their positions are a lot easier than yours.

Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good risk. I think the guys that you put around those three, meaning Devin Booker, Bill, and Durant, I think that's the key. You need guys surrounding those guys who are like blue collar, hard working guys, and kind of let them guys just kind of, you know, obviously play, but score.

But you need guys who understand their role, man. And they just ain't had, I don't feel like they had the right pieces around me. Joe, I spent all the money on the house. So the furniture gonna be ish. And look, I'm over budget as it is, Joe. I'm over budget as it is. Look, I'm telling you, I'm the guy, Joe.

I got a house. My agent, my financial people say, okay, Shannon, I want a house in Atlanta. Came to Freak Nick in 92, 93. I called my agent my financial people say okay, Shannon. I want the house in Atlanta came to freak neck in 92 93 Call my agent before I left. I said man, I moved to I thought you wanted houses about I said man Didn't I tell you I want a house house somebody find me a house in Atlanta so They say oh at the time I think I was making about

I think I was making about Seven think I'd make it by 600,000 so they say okay, you know, you're supposed to get a house you get a house. That's your salary You know, whatever you saw half of your salary. So I like okay this is shadow 425, you know a 425 All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the first house the lady showed me Actually, it was sugar ray Leonard's ex-wife Juanita's. It was her old house. I walked in there it was in Buckhead because I was gonna look at Buckhead. I was gonna go, I was gonna stop in Buckhead then I was going to Stone Mountain then I was going to Alpharetta. Okay yeah. But that house I walked around saw that marble all that all that's there. Saw the spiral

staircase. I was like, ooh this night. She said, oh what do you see down you know down Saw that marble, all that space, saw the spiraling staircase, y'all was like, ooh, this light. She said, oh, what do you see down, you know, down, you got a finished basement? I said, really? Ain't never seen no basement before, Joe. I mean, Joe, excuse me. I go downstairs,

3,000 square foot finished basement. So now she's like, okay, this is the first house. I'm saying to myself, I don't want to see nothing else. Yo, I don't want to see nothing else. I'm good, I'm good. She said, no, we got some other houses we gonna see. I said, okay. Man, the other houses, and they were really nice.

It was almost like she was showing me our house. I said, I want to go back. I said, let's go back to the first house. I cut two, I saw one of them at the front of the house, and I saw one and Mary young. I said, let's go back to the first house. And I saw one in Stone Mountain. I said, let's go back to that first house.

She drove me, she took me back to the first house. I said, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that my people had already told her. The budget. Yeah. This damn budget, and what I have to do? Ha ha ha. I'm 180,000 over budget.

Joe, I had a, for two years, I had a bed and a TV. You didn't put no funds in there What I don't put it in there with We're gonna spend all the money on the house you think it's a little person I do a Somebody come hey Joe somebody come over they can Joe, somebody come over. They can sit in the living room and go sit down on the floor watching TV. That's it, that's all I had. So that's the thing with Phoenix.

You got Katie, you got Bill, you got Luke, you got all that score, but you got Ish Furniture. You ain't got nothing. And that's why they look the way they've looked. You can't, they ain't even made, they ain't got nothing and and that's why they've looked the way they've looked you can't they ain't made they ain't made to play in so they got a look so we what one thing we do know is they they more than likely or they are going trade Durant yes they got a book ain't going nowhere and it doesn't seem like because he has a no trade I mean let this thing in Bradley Beal and Lebron James are the only two players that have a no trade, I mean, let this thing in. Bradley Beal and LeBron James are the only two players

that have a no trade clause. Yeah. Hey, so now he control it, you can't control it, you can't trade it. He can like, yeah, we're gonna trade you. No, I'm not going there. All right, damn, cause I think they, oh, we're gonna go, damn.

Cause they wanted to get off Beal, but they can't. They can't, they can't. So they gotta make it work. So that's why I say yep you gotta if I'm Phoenix I'm going with some young guys who have proven that you know they can play in this league and Houston for me Houston would be oh Houston yeah because you I'm saying if you can get back green and Parker Jabari Parker like no, it's me Jabari Smith, Jr Man, that's that'll help your team. Oh, yeah for sure

That'll help your team now the problem you gonna have because both of those guys love to score and you got Bradley bill with Devin Booker and Jaylen green Yeah, you might be back in the same position you was in. You're gonna be in the same spot. But you do have a big, an active big. He's gonna need to get a little better. Yeah, I think he will.

A little bit more bricks in his pocket. I think, you know, his limited play time, because you had Shigoon playing so well. Right. But it's gonna be interesting to see how this thing play out. The one thing we do know, they want to move Kevin to rent, they tried to move him at the trade deadline and he's like, nah, let me go ahead and stay here because I come with a lot. And I'm gonna need some time to

integrate, you know, I'm gonna need some camps and some, you know, some preseason to get into the flow of things. But man, if he go to San Antonio, that's going to be cheating again. Yeah. Him and Wimby and Castle and Deere and Fox. San Antonio going to be right back. Yeah. Cause they got to be look, OKC got the picks.

He not going to OKC. Nah. Brooklyn got the picks. He not going to OKC. Brooklyn got the picks. He not going to Brooklyn. San Antonio got picks. Houston got some picks and they got some players. See Houston and San Antonio have picks and players. That's why I think this is going to be one of them two teams.

Mm-hmm. You already said you wanted to go to what Texas or team with no state tax. Yep, Texas, the Spurs Rockets. Hello. Heat. There you go. I don't see the heat. I don't see the heat happening.

I don't think they got enough. I don't I don't either. I don't either. To help Phoenix, you know. To fulfill anything to get to get back something that's worth the value for Kevin Durant. So I don't really see that in Miami. I don't see it.

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