Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Jim Jones GO AT IT! + Ricky Williams joins

Episode Date: June 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by rapper Jim Jones to discuss his legacy and things take a turn when they discuss Jim's comparison to Nas, Ricky Williams joins to talk NFL career and marijuana stigma, and much more!01:47 - Introduction04:00 - Ricky Williams Into23:44 - Shedeur will not drive anymore after tickets32:35 - Running back Market36:20 - Drew Brees says his arm no longer works39:49 - Lamar Jackson goes off on Eagles fans on IG46:00 - Miami gets over the hump this year?53:00 - Jim Jones Intv(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So please grab yours while supplies last. We've got Ricky Williams who I've introduced at the top and then we have Jim Jones, We Fly High, joining us later in the show. But Ocho, right off the plane from France. Tell us a little bit about it, bro, how was it? I mean, listen, listen, France, Cannes was beautiful. Obviously, being able to connect with a lot of brands,

seeing how things are run, being able to sit down and meet with important people. I'll just say it like that. It was a tremendous, tremendous trip, man. Meetings, the meetings went very well. I had to speak on a few panels, that went well. And the relationships, you know, the bridges I was able to build all over there

was awesome, so I'm kind of upset that I missed the first two years based on what I was able to experience, you know, going out there in time. So I look forward to next year already. I only been home for one day. Uh, but it was dope. It was a really, really dope experience. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's getting, it gets bigger and better every year.

Oh Joe, you know, I went last year, we were supposed to go and we had some technical difficulties, but it is a wonderful event. And like you said, you get an opportunity to sit down and be in those rooms and be in those meetings where things actually happen. You get an opportunity to talk to people that's gonna actually pull the trigger

and make things happen. So that's always, and look, you get an opportunity to meet the people. They get an opportunity to talk to you. I mean, you'll cross from them. You're talking. Now they put a name to a face. Now they put a personality to the name.

Now they get an opportunity to see who and what Ocho Cinco is. So I'm glad you got an opportunity to experience that. As I mentioned earlier, we recently spoke, Ricky, we got something, you know, you're from, well, you're from San Diego. Where do you live now? Are you back in San Diego?

You in Texas? You in Miami? I'm living in Northern California. You live in Northern California now? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, we got something that you might can help us out on. You recently spoke at Legislation Texas.

They're trying to ban marijuana products. I guess it's products will have the THC in them, correct? It's, I mean, yes. It's not supposed to, but that's why it's an issue, is that pretty much you can go to a gas station in Texas and get THC. Well, damn. And they try, so they don't like,

in California you have these specialty shops. You have cannabis shops that you go into and you can buy, you know, obviously you can buy I don't know Graham or whatever the case may be I mean you could probably speak to that a little better than I can but so what are they trying to like take it completely out? Or they're trying to get like restricted where you have to go to a specific place and not just your arbitrary gas station It's both. Um, but it's a little extreme. They're trying to ban it 100% and they say they're gonna open up the medical program.

And I think it's a good idea to open up the medical program, but I think it's a little too much to say, to ban it 100%. It does need to be regulated more, but not banned. But you do realize that when they open it up for medical purposes Purposes or so they say medicinal purposes, you know only a select group of people get those license, right? You know that you know, it is you know what we have been incarcerated for for two five ten fifteen years

Now we got you know, we sell it a little nickel bag or a little grab little whatever the case may be We got, you know, we sell it a little nickel bag or a little grab, little whatever the case may be. Now they get a license and they get to capitalize on it and make millions and millions and millions of dollars. And then we get cut out, and we done spent time in jail for that. Yeah, it's real. And then the funny thing about it is

they don't allow things to pass or they don't allow, they don't legalize things until they're able to monetize on it. Yeah, once they find they can tax you on it. Well, that's exactly how it is. And obviously, you understand the other aspect, the other dynamic of certain people, obviously of color, who have used that as a way of survival, as a means to provide. They've been locked up for years and we understand how that goes. It's always a double-sided sword in a sense, but hopefully those that are able to use it

for medicinal purposes and everyone is given the opportunity to get those licenses when the time comes. Yeah. I mean, speaking of what you're talking about, Chad, there are a lot of people in prison still that shouldn't be in prison. Yes, sir. But also, most states, because when the movement first started, most of the people were liberal. So when the movement first started, they made sure in a lot of the legislations that people

who have been incarcerated or who have felonies have easier access. They couldn't get the license. They can. If you've been incarcerated for a nonviolent cannabis-related offense in a lot of states, you have easier access, you can get access to a license. Okay, that's nice, that's cool. Oh, okay, okay. It is, but the issue is that most of those people

can't afford or don't have the expertise to be able to do anything with those licenses. Right. Right. So, yeah, so they don't really work. I was talking to someone and they said, look, when we get a license, us, people that look like me, you and Ricky, don't be selling your homeboy a pound. Do what you do to guy like, do to guy, Ocho,

I'm talking to somebody that's kind of in that business. And to keep the business above the board, when your homeboy come, don't sell him a pound. Sell him what you're supposed to sell. Keep it above the board so you get to keep your license. I know your homeboy, come on bro, ain't nobody gonna know. Yes, they gonna know. Cause as soon as you get jammed up,

do what you gonna say, Ocho. To keep yourself from getting 10 to 15, you gonna dime your partner out, he gonna lose his license, they gonna shut him down. So if we're fortunate enough to be in those positions, let's just do right, hey, keep it, keep that money flow going. Because like you said, that's a cash business. Big one, a big one at that. It's just like alcohol, prohibition,

they ran bootleg moonshine and all that stuff, and they say, hold on, we keep, let's just, hey, let them make it and let's tax their ass on it. The same thing with cigarettes. Let's tax them. We could get some, oh, this is a billion and billion and billion dollar business. Instead of hiring all these people to try to bust the steels

and cut the trees down, we can monetize it. And what's anybody, look, once someone finds they can make some money off it, they're gonna make money off it. It's really that simple. But I'm glad, look, Rick, let me ask you this. Had the laws and the way people look at, because when I was younger and growing up in the league,

marijuana was a stigma. People frowned upon it. And it's not nearly that. I mean, now, hey, you, the Californians, they walk around, they be smoking, they be outside, it ain't nothing. How different do you think your career would have been had you been allowed to,

you know, you know, partake? You know, I think it would have been a lot different because just, you know, off the field, just all the trouble I was in all the time and the hits of my reputation at the time, it was so stressful that it, I'm sure if things were going better and I was allowed to be myself, that I would have been able to perform at an even higher level, no pun intended. Um, but no, but seriously, because I think we only have so much energy and when things are stressing us out, that's the energy that's being

wasted that could be going to something different. Right. I mean, you look set California has always been very, very liberal, very open-minded. I mean, you go to the Bay and the hippies and the yuppies and they had woodstock and all that other stuff going on. Do you think your upbringing, do you think where you was raised at played a role in you being so, you know, open and partaking in marijuana? And did you smoke in high school?

Did you smoke in college? When did this, your love or infatuation or whatever the case you might want to call it, when did your love or when did you first partake in marijuana? The first time it was in high school, but I wasn't a smoker. I didn't really become a smoker until I got into the league. Because it was stigmatizing. I was you know, I was an athlete and, and

when growing up, the one thing that ever, my grandma, everybody said, right. Don't throw it away for drugs. And so, you know, I tried, I listened, I tried to listen. So, no, but it wasn't until, it wasn't until later. And I definitely think when I was 13, um, my, my mom, my stepdad was, uh, was a roster and so he would smoke every night. It was just part of his routine. And I definitely think when I was 13, my mom, my stepdad was a roster. And so he would smoke every night. It was just part of his routine.

And my auntie, she had a, she had a treaty in her, in her kitchen. So it was around me. So I was, I was desensitized to it. Like, you know, I think if people aren't around it and they just hear the stigma, that's all they have to go on. So I was around it and the people that I did, my stepdad and my auntie, people are buying like the most in the whole world and they smoke. So, but I, yeah, I wasn't partaking when I was young, but I was open to it.

I wasn't against it. I wasn't anti. Um, yeah, I'm really curious. You say you hadn't smoked when you were in me. Obviously, most of the time when it comes to people having certain habits, it comes from their surroundings and their upbringings. But the fact that you had the discipline not to be interested in it while you were young, but once you got to the NFL, did you use it in the NFL because of injuries, because of stress? I mean, is there a specific reason? It was stress. I think the reason I had to use it up until that point

because life was like, was good. I wasn't really stressed about anything. You know, I didn't, I didn't need it. And I got to the point where things got really stressful and I realized that this, this helped me. Cause you know, everybody knows I'm a shy person. I'm an introverted person and something about smoking, I just get to be with myself.

You know? Right. And I feel like I get energy. I get energy from that, and it helps. Was it a situation, Rick, I think the thing is you said the expectations, and we're going to get into this, where Mike Dicker gave up his entire draft class to select you. You know that had never been done in the history of sports. I mean, basically that was AesAP giving his kingdom away for a horse.

And the expectations that came along now, you're supposed to be the greatest NFL running back because you look at all the running backs, Jim Brown and Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith and Dickerson, all those guys. They got slotted. The man gave up his whole entire draft class to select you. So now that comes along. I mean, you were Heisman Trophy winning running back. You had the most rushing yards in college history. So now I'm a Heisman trophy winner. I got the most rushing yards. A guy just gave up in the entire draft class for

me. That's a lot of expectations on a running back. Did that play any role? Honestly, if I'm being real, you can call me ungrateful, but I don't think I even got to the point of realizing the expectations because I was so disappointed that I slid to the number five spot. Oh, wow. Okay. So I was like, I was in shock. I mean, after that, I don't even remember what happened.

I don't even remember. I don't even remember what happened because just what you said, you know, to me, I thought I had, I had made the case and not even to be the best in the future, but that I was the best, at least I had the potential to be the best because of the track, my track record. So I thought I should have been the first pick and I wasn't. And then the edge of it was pick number four, Hall of Fame career, but I wasn't even the first running back pick. So, so I mean, again, I remember sitting there and I was spinning and I remember saying them say something about picks or something, something, you know, my dick,

I saw him with the cigar and then, and then I was on an airplane headed to New Orleans. Did you get hot? Did you get hot at night? I wasn't smoking then. You weren't smoking then. So you, did you, so you I wasn't smoking then you were smoking it So you did you so you didn't start smoking till you got to what Miami?

And I started smoking in New Orleans so I was moving my second year my second year in New Orleans And did you have it? Was it injury related? I mean you talk about you're an introverted person. I mean, I think I remember you was talking and you always had your face mask, you had your helmet on and you had the dark shield. And everybody was like, damn, what's going on? Ricky seems like, this is what they were saying. They said, man, that dude weird, man.

Who gives an interview with the helmet on? We can't see his eyes. We don't know what he's thinking. People like for you to make eye contact. And you were like, and I was like, wow, okay, this is different, but to each his eyes. We don't know what he's thinking. You know, people were like for you to make eye contact and you were like, and I was like, wow, okay, this is different, but hey, to each his own. The man did win a Heisman. He was, you know, won all these awards, the dope walker.

So, hey, it's hard to argue the man has had success doing it that way. It's not the same though. I mean, my time in college and my time in the NFL were completely different and basically It was just the people's orientation towards me. Okay, you know because as a sensitive person, that's what it means It means I need to be around people that feel me Because if I were people that don't feel me then it's hard for me to feel myself It's so I would be around people that didn't feel me and when I get from myself was I go home

I was around people that didn't feel me alone. I get from myself was I go home But my whole needs is where I smoke a little bit and get on the game Just to relax just just to give it just say like it and recharge so I could get up and go do it again Being on the field. I love being on the field. Nothing. Nothing's better. Nothing to me There was no better feeling in the whole wide world and I'm talking about practice There was no better feeling in the whole wide world for me than to be on that football field. Nothing. And that's all I wanted to do but all the other stuff it just made it almost to the point where it wasn't worth it. And so I realized if I wasn't like smoking, connecting, I wouldn't give up the game.

Mmm. You know it's funny and Rick when I think about it, as great as you were in college, as great as you were in the NFL, just imagine if they were a little bit more lenient with the rules and allowing you to smoke, let's say for medicinal purposes. If it's something that you have an issue and it makes you feel a little bit more comfortable and being able to operate and do your job on a day-to-day basis, you, who knows what you could have done because you were smoking weed and doing damage and running like crazy. So I could just imagine, do you ever sit back

and think about and have regrets in the way things turned out or when? And if you could rewind the time and do it all over again, would you make a different choice as far as smoking is concerned? I think about this a lot. And the thing I think about more is the people, the players, the guys now in the league who, because things have changed, who can.

Who can, it's not someone with pressure. And I feel like I had something to do with opening that door. And to me, that makes all of it worth it. And as far as regrets, I can say this now, because I've lived and I'm living now, is I wish that I would have taken more of a advocacy role at the time. Is, you know, because what you're saying is true.

I mean, that's real. I wasn't hurting anybody. I was just taking care of myself so I could go deliver the product that they were expecting me to deliver. And I did. I mean, when I got to Miami and I got into my grooves, I left the league in Russia, all pro. And so I think to me, the league, we go out there and put our bodies and our minds and our hearts on the line and they should give us all reasonable means to be able to take care of ourselves, to be able to do that.

And I wish I would have been courageous enough at the time to say that publicly, because whether people believe it or not, once you say something publicly and people are hearing it, it starts the conversation. And I think, and that's what I've seen. The biggest effect I've had is people can talk about this now when I'm in the room. Right, they're can talk about this now. And I'm in the room, right?

They're almost expecting to talk about it when I'm in the room. So it makes it easier. Yeah. I think the thing is Ricky is that like it was a stigma and the more people started to talk about it and you started to have more prominent people. You started to have people like yourself, or you have some of the Hollywood elites start talking about it and the medicinal purposes that it have. And it's it and you know, I've heard people that talk about, oh, you got no problem giving

these guys shots. You got the problem giving these guy painkillers, getting them addicted to something. And then when they lead the league, they still need that and they can't get that and they're crashing out. Why can't you allow them to smoke marijuana? Calm them down, take the pain away. Because at the end of the day, they're trying, this is a gladiator sport. This is not a contact sport.

This is a collision sport. There are no winners. There are only survivors in this game. And so if you're going to, hey, take this Viking and take this Percocet, take this, take this Toradol, take this and that, and all these anti-inflammatories, which is more, take this and that and all these anti-inflammatories, which is more dangerous to the body, which is more harmful to the body, which is causing more harm and breaking the body down even more than this, why not have a conversation? And I think the NFL, they did open their mind.

They started doing a little bit of their own research because obviously, you know, they don't want to make sure they don't want to get sued down the line. They started doing some research and I think they came to the conclusion that you and many, many in your, in your area, uh, uh, Rick, um, had already known. Yeah. Yeah. It takes time. So I felt like I was a pioneer in, in I'm, I'm being rewarded for it now. So it feels like it's working.

But see, Rick, I don't know, man. You might have been smoking that Scania. You might have been on that Khalifa Kush. You had to be on that boat. So if you had that on home, bro, that would never show up in your system. You could have just been. Welcome to the You Versus You podcast. I'm Lex Burrow.

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Ocho Rick, are these speeding tickets being blown out of proportion? Ocho, go to you first. Absolutely. Absolutely. Obviously, you know you're not supposed to speed. You're not supposed to speed based on whatever the speed limit may be. I think you just have to be a little more cautious. You have to be a little more cautious. I think we've all sped at some point. We've all been pulled over for a ticket at some point. Yep. You're not supposed to do it at times.

People do do it based on where you are, having to get somewhere being a little late, being behind schedule on whatever it may be. At the time, I'm assuming he should do it with probably, I'm not sure whether it was morning, noon or night when he was stopped over. Maybe he might've been trying to get to the stadium first. Maybe he wanted to make sure he got there at a certain time. Either way, hitting decision not to drive anymore or have a driver or have a Uber or whatever it may be so he doesn't give you more tickets is a step in the right direction to make sure you don't make that mistake again.

Or you can just drive like I do and never go over 16 miles an hour. What'd you think Rick is being blown out of proportion? I don't think, I don't think so. I think it's a, I think there is a warning sign and not an alarm, not an alarm, but a couple of things. And I've been there. Is you gotta know when there's a lot of heat on you, you know, lay low, right? It don't mean you always have to lay low,

is you gotta have that sensitivity to when the heat is on you, lay low. And here's the other thing. I put on my psychologist hat, and you know, everything that went down on draft day, you know, people, everybody around was pissed day, you know people everybody around was pissed off You know, but when they showed him on camera, he seemed cool, right? And that's how you're supposed to be but but right I say speeding is a is a manifestation of repressed anger

Right. It's gotta get it's gotta get out somehow So I say it's you know, it's I said if I was a psychologist I say it's okay to be angry right, it's okay to be angry I Like it do you so you think? Cuz at one point time people thought he was gonna be the first pick in the draft Oh Joe, nobody thought he would get outside the top ten. So you think you know, you think top three, right? Yeah, cuz they talk to be a cam ward him and a trap back in sonar. Yeah, so you think the top three. Right. Yeah, because they talk about Cam Ward, him and Trav. Travick's Hunter, yeah.

So you think sometimes, so you think the speeding might be a manifestation of something that's inside. Like, man, I just got to get this out, just like blow some steam off and you got, you know, you got your foot deep into the gas pedal. Exactly. It's got to come out somehow. It's got to come out somehow. Hey, you know, it's funny, Rick? When you think about it too, we talk about, I hate using the word YM. I hate using it, but obviously it's something that people use a day for the young fellas.

And anyway, when you think about it, right? Think about all the college kids at Georgia, or just in general. Everybody keep getting in trouble for doing what, huh? Speed. You know, when you're young, when you're 21, 22, 23, you have a need for speed. And the type of cars that they get are Challengers, Hellcats, D'Ringos, Gat Packs, Trackhawks. So I mean, it's something that young folk do all the time, you know, and they just have

to pick and choose when to do it and have an understanding of your surroundings. You know, whatever devices, you know, technology is so advanced now, put what you need in your car, then let you know if there's anything around. Because you don't want, you don't want a mistake to happen like speeding and getting an accident and having someone pass away. Yep. It was better to have a situation like this happen than alternatives. Yeah. The thing is when you're young, Ricky, and you can attest to this, when you're young, you feel invincible.

You really think you can fly. You feel you can jump off a damn building and I'm a you can jump off a 10 story building and I ain't gonna break ish. Ain't nothing gonna happen. You feel invincible because that's how we are. That's how we become who we are. We believe that we're gonna go out there and can't nobody stop us.

I'm gonna run for a thousand yards tonight. I'm gonna catch for 400 yards tonight. I'm gonna do, I'm on the court, I'm gonna score 50. I'm gonna retract, I'm gonna break a record. You have that, that's what separates us, is our mindset. We really believe that we are above, not better than you just as a person, but I can do what I do better than you can do what you can do. Yeah. That's a blessing and a curse.

What do you think, Rick? I mean, it depends on what, if you got somewhere to put it. You know, I think that's the key. If you got somewhere to put it, it's a blessing. When you don't, it becomes a curse. And I think that's the curse because If you got somewhere to put it, it's a blessing. When you don't, it becomes a curse. And I think that's the curse, because it don't stop. Right? That passion, like, when we stop playing, that passion that needs to conquer to prove, it don't go away. And if you don't have somewhere to put it, it definitely becomes a curse.

Yeah, well, how do you turn it off? How do you say, now I'm driving my car, I ain't invincible no more. I go to the game. I'm invincible. Now I'm invincible. I can do this. That's the thing is hard to turn it up because like, once you compete, it's hard to turn that. That's the thing that, that, that athletes have the hardest

time doing moving away from the game. Not all, most, some, because I've been competing my whole life. Oh Joe, we completely black football P We part Warner, Jr. Varsity varsity college. So we've been competing Basically, I'm 57. So I played football tackle football for 26 years. I retired at 35 So since I was not so for 26 years, I've been competing now all of a sudden what I'm gonna do Who am I competing against? Yeah, how do I how do turn how do I suppress that? How do I turn that off? Maybe you know I'm on the treadmill. Oh, we're racing now. I'm just

Should have got it beside me. There was three treadmills over there all over the other you came to the one beside me You run it. Okay, we race it Hey, you know what? I'm not a thing about it, too Now not not to not to go off subject a little bit, but transitioning from that competitive nature, that competitive edge. Normally when you stop playing, obviously you haven't played in a very long time,

but look, you don't suppress anything. You've just taken that competitive nature as you had in football, and you take TV. You took it to business. You took it to linear television. You took it to Hell. nature as you had in football. You take TV, you took it as business. You took it to linear television. You took it to hell. You took it to nightcap. Then you take me for instance, you listen,

you know my black ass love to compete. I don't care what it is, whether it's video games, whether it's talking trash, whether it's challenging everybody that come on this goddamn show to do something. Whether I'm joking or not, you know, in the back of my mind, I'm actually serious because I just want to compete and I had that urge to find that love for what I used to do on Sundays.

I got to find somewhere else. I got to find it somewhere else. So why not find it in everything else I'm doing in life? Well, except behind the wheel. Right. Yeah. Everybody don't get the opportunities that we got to go to television and do podcasting and do things like that.

Some people, you know, my brother, he was like, he got into golf because it's hard to turn, it's when you, when you do something for such a long period of time, it's hard to stop it. That's why addiction is hard. You know, because think about it. Most people don't be, you don't become addicted one time. You've been doing it for an extended period of time. And now you're like, I mean, oh man, what am I? I can't drink.

I can't smoke. I can't go. I can't gamble. I ain't what what about, man, I can't play football. Oh, man, I can't game no more. Well, man, what the hell? What am I going to do? What do I do with this energy that I got? Oh, Joe, because I used to burn it off practicing. I used to burn it off in the game. I used to burn it off practicing. I used to burn it off in the game. I used to burn it off knowing we gonna meet

and I'm with the guys. Now what do I do with that energy that I got nowhere to put it? That's a good one. And I like that word you just used, the word you just used, addiction. Yeah. I'm having an addiction.

Now I forgot the statistic. They say I might be wrong or correct me if I'm right, Rick or Uncle, if you know, it takes 30 days to create a habit. So am I, am I tripping? That's what they say. Yeah. 30 days. Yeah.

It takes 30 days to create a habit, but it takes forever to get rid of that habit. Hey, I'm not sure if you have an addiction, but, but Ricky, for you, for some of the smoke weed, for whatever reason, do you think it's an addiction? And if you had to stop, could you stop if need be? Well, it's a hypothetical question. So you have to give me like a real situation where I would have to stop. Like if I wanted to-

Yeah, your health would have to be in danger. Exactly, but what if the doctor said, it's not good for your lungs, you need to stop? Yes, I can stop. Okay, okay, okay. Ricky, did you have a vape? No. Never got into vape. Okay.

The NFL at once was trying to re-devalue the running back positions. Do you think the season last year that the running back had, Saquon Barkley, Derek Henry, Jamiro Gims, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon, do you think the running back position, Rick,

is back in vogue now? It's not back to when we play, but it's back but it's back from the past couple years. It is. Right. It is. Yeah. Yeah.

And not only is it back though, right? But it's back for the tier one running backs. You know, that select few that you just named. Obviously you left Christian McAfee out because it was Andrew. Yeah. But with those players that you just named, that the meat and potatoes of the tier one running backs, if they can consistently, if they can consistently change the dynamic and the way owners and GM view that position, then they will continue to always be able to get top dollar at their position, regardless of how they feel about them being valued, because that means they're that much more important to an offense,

despite it being a pass happy league. Right. But you got to be one of the best though. Yeah. You got to be one of the best. I agree, but I even think that has a limit because of injuries. I'm telling you, I've seen it.

It was my second year in New Orleans, week 10. My thousand yard week 10 and broke my ankle. I saw the look on my coach's face. It looked like I will never depend on a running game again. I could see it. I could see it because I mean, now that it's traumatic. So I think, you know, it'll go up, but I think, you know, invariably somebody's going to get hurt and then it'll kind of come back down.

It'll go up. It'll come back down. And I think one of the ways we would have known the running back position was back is saying come on, what are all the MVP? Yeah. Your team was a super bowl and He run for 2,000 yards and you don't want to be like Yeah, I think Adrian Peterson was the last guy to win the MVP wasn't it ate the running back. Yeah Yeah, I mean it used to be cut It used to be company look you can win the MVP. I mean the year Eric Dickerson ran for 2105 He didn't win MVP because Dan Marino threw for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Yeah, so you could you like, okay

5,000 48 touchdowns. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the MVP. We know he'd be ready for 2105 but now it's kind of like the same thing with the in the College Unless the bag has a barren Sanders type season because these quarterbacks are throwing for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns.

Those are Ocho. And if you go back and look at the quarter, the running backs to have successful season, look at the quarterback, Jaylen hurts when the soup bowl Lamar Jackson was a two time league MVP. You look at Joe Mixon, he has CJ Stroud, Jamier Gibbs, he had Jerry Goff. You look at Josh Jacobs, he had Jordan Love. So you go look at, so the days of you just, oh, I got a running back. You better have a quarterback. Yeah.

Cause if your quarterback is not a threat, oh, they're going to take, they're going to take that running back away. I'm going to make me, I am going to make you beat me with your B option. You will not beat me with your A option. Yeah. And, uh, well, we'll see. We'll see if this is a tree, if this thing is trending up or with last year was just an anomaly season. Cause we know you got to, Oh Joe, you know how to dig it. They make running backs do it for an extended period of time.

See only quarterback have one good year over, we got to pay him. Running backs, they got to put together two, three, four, five years. Yeah. I mean, they also- Drew Reed says his right arm does not work due to football injuries. Drew said he suffers from degenerative shoulder, all kinds of arthritic changes. When I throw in the backyard right now, I throw left-handed. Um, I think that was the, you know what?

That was the shoulder that he tried to jump, jump on a fumble and his arm went all the way around cause John went almost. Yeah. In San Diego. Yep. His last year in San Diego. Rick, do you have any laughing injury? Do you have anything that prohibits you from doing things that you look we all as we get look we're not

gonna be perfect as we get old because everybody think man you should feel that nothing should ache like you did when you was in your 20s. Nah bro you 45 and 50 and 60 years old it's gonna hurt. Do you have any lasting injuries or things that bother you? Now Rick. Every once in while, my neck and my shoulder will flare up. I'll get that stinging pain down my shoulder. It'll last maybe a week, then it'll go away. Probably happens a couple times a year. You pull out one of your, you pull out one of the things,

like, oh, yeah, man, I don't nothing, nothing hurts, brother. I already brought her. I can't say that. I really just have this neck and shoulder thing. But you know, but I'll tell you though, if I don't do some kind of yoga or qigong or tai chi or meditation for three or four days, then I feel like I'm 80 years old. It's always something I have to stay on top of pretty much every day.

Tai Chi is soft karate. Hey, what's... Exactly, yeah, you got it. Hey, wait. I know what it is. Hey, what the hell? I know a yoga, what the hell is Tai Chi? It's a show for you.

Yeah! You're trying to show them, huh? Yeah, show them, huh? You back it part of me. Do it again? It's a show with you. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You make it part of me. Do it again? It's a... It is for real. That's Tai Chi.

Yeah. That's, you know, yeah. It's kind of like, it's more meditative. It's known as a soft karate. Yeah. A soft karate? That's what they call it. Titus.

Yes, one way to think about it is you move so slowly that you start to feel every single little muscle and ligament and tendon that's doing the movement. So it wakes it up because when you get a stint, I mean, use it or lose it. I heard old people say that. I didn't believe it until I got old. It is true.

So I gotta do something. And I can't really lift weights and I wanna lift weights and I don't really live weights and I want to live weights and I don't really want to run so Yoga and Tai Chi Chi gun will be perfect. Hey now that's exciting now. I might want to try that I'll try some taxum some touch. Ah, yeah touch. Yeah. I like that. You'll love it. You'll love it Yeah, okay. Hey, I love it. I bet you he will watch. Why? He gonna be hung up to watch. Hey, see, hey, Rick, I can't,

they talk about Pilates, you know, they talk about yoga. Like, I can't sit still, Rick. I got to be moving. I got to do something. Well, Tai Chi, you moving so slow, as he said. It's not like a fast, it's not like Kung Fu or Jetson Koon or nothing like that. It's really slow.

All the movements are deliberate. Right. So all the energy, it goes into the focus. It's still movement and you still are using energy. But as you do more and more and get better, you literally start to feel everything in your body. Okay. Okay. Okay. You know, I think you'll like it.

Yeah, touchy, yeah. Lamar Jackson went off on Eagle fan, Eagle fan on Instagram. When the F have I ever complained? Just say we have a solid on paper roster. So far that's all other ish not called for. You don't play for the Eagle little bruh. Continue to be a fan of the game. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, talk, see,h. Continue to be a fan of the game. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Talk. See? See what I told you about telling the truth, huh? You see what I'm saying? You see how I open it up? You see how players are opening up? Now, we talk about Lamar Jackson, someone who rarely talks, you know. He's not one that is very voiceless at times.

He talks to the media because he's obligated to, contractually. But I like seeing stuff like this. Eagles fans I love Eagles fans. Hell I love the goddamn Eagles themselves but I love players that at times clap back and try to put fans in their place because listen you're a fan of the team a fan of the game but you don't play. You don't play. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has been afforded a platform and voice because of social media. So I'm glad players are taking the onus to let fans know. Let's stay in your place.

I think it's cool. I like it. Yeah. I think it's an art. It's an art to clap back without feeling like you taking it in person. You know, it's more likein' the line in the sand. Mm-hmm. I like it, I like it. Oh, where you at? Hey, Rick, what part, what part?

You say you in Dallas? No, I'm in Northern California, up in the mountains. Yeah. You in the mountains? Up in the mountains, yep. Hold on, what, y'all got animals out there? We don't got animals, but there's a goat and a horse. Two goats and a horse. Two horses next door. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I like that. I thought you'd be out there hunting. Okay, okay.

I've never been hunting before. I tried to go hunting one time. I tried to go duck hunting one time. But I think I've watched too many movies. I'm full of the shotgun. I cock it Yeah, Michelle would jump out the fly What you kind of funny it's won't be already loaded I've been doing too many movies. I thought you know, no, you know, no, you ejected the shell You're just in the shell if you do that. That's not gonna happen. It happened like five times You're a jack-in-the-shell if you do that. That's exactly what happened. It happened like five times.

Yeah. Yeah. Rick, I'll be honest with y'all. I don't think you got the heart to really kill an animal. That's probably why it happened five times. Yeah, I think that's the mechanism to make sure you don't go through with that act. Yeah, I think that's exactly what was going on.

Hey, Rick, that's a good thing that you do have that mindset of the fact not being able to kill an animal because my grandma always told me, if you can kill animal, you can kill a human. Stepping on ants, stepping on roaches, I never used to do that. I always used to catch them and place them outside so they can go home and be free.

Yeah, well they weren't paying rent, so I'm killing them. I'm gonna kill them, I'm gonna kill them, I'm gonna kill them squirrels. No. Uncle be killin' squirrels, he be killin' raccoons. No, you used to kill squirrels. Hey, and catching fish, how you think the fish feel? How you think the fish feel when people go fishing? Didn't Jesus feed a flock of people with fish? He sure did, and bread too.

Oh yeah, 40 loaves and two fish. No, it was two fish and six. Wait, I think it was six loaves. I think it was six loaves. And six loaves of bread. Hey, I don't know. I got to holla at Jesus. Boy, I'm trying to see how you feed, how you, how you feed that many people with

two goddamn fish now. How you got to show me? Well, if you keep living right, you might go and you might have a conversation with him and he might be able to show you. You keep living foul, he got to turn you away, Ocho. Oh no, but listen, listen, listen. You ought to straighten out now, right? Hey, I'll walk by faith, you hear me?

That's all we can do. You know it's 10 commandments, right? Yes. I got eight of them down pat. But a mother too hard, they hard, huh? He said faith, but faith in what? Me? Yeah, faith in what?

Rick, I got faith in doing right. I got faith in doing right. At any time, at any time I backslide, I ask for forgiveness and get right back on track. Okay now, now once you backslide, you ask for forgiveness. You can't backslide again now. Well, I ain't gonna do it, but one thing is saying the Bible. It say, come before me after thou make a mistake. And I just do just that. Welcome to the You Versus You podcast.

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gets over the hump? If two of us can stay healthy, yes. That's always the question with Miami. We saw where two stay healthy, they went to the playoffs. So if two can stay healthy. Fans up. Yeah. Hey, fans up, huh? Fans up. We gonna win the AFC East.

How about that? Where Buffalo go? Where they move Buffalo to? Who? Where they move the Bills to. The Bills not no longer need. Listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you how the AFC is gonna work this year.

Okay. The Buffalo Bills are gonna have to come to the Dolphins when it's time for the playoffs, right? We're gonna win the games that matter most so we have home field advantage and we don't have to take our ass to the goddamn cold in late December or January and have to play them goddamn Beers in the cold. That's the problem with us. We ain't won a game in the cold weather, which has been our kryptonite since 1958. Guess what? Um, it's cold in Baltimore. It's cold in Kansas city.

It's cold in Buffalo. Those are three teams. I will suspect, uh, if I had to, you had make me wager some money that meant something to me and if it's my money, it means something to me, but I think they're going to have a better records than, uh, Miami. So with that being said, y'all probably gonna have to take y'all ass on the road again. Yeah Can I tell you something? You know, you know, it hurts my heart to Rick and the fact that they're there there They're rumblings. There's discussions that a trade might be happening, you know with Jalen Ramsey

They're trying to do workout, whatever it may be. I'm not sure why you would want to get rid of a player of that magnitude who is well within his rights, still very good at what he does, especially in man to man. I don't understand what's going on for us, the Dolphins in itself and management and owners and Mike McDaniel, I'm not sure what's going on in that area. In the AFC East, you you got a lot of good receivers. Yeah. A lot of good receivers. And you need a lockdown corner like Jalen Ramsey,

who's been an all-pro, who's been to the Pro Bowl to lock down one side, or at least give you a chance. And that's no disrespect to the other deepers, the backs that's on that team. But this is someone that is proven at the position. But my thing is, why not trade him in the off season? Why not trade him during the draft? Why the hell people get ready to go to training camp now? Why you trying to trade him now?

I don't think it's gonna happen. If it hasn't happened by now, I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna happen. Until somebody gets hurt. Yeah, true. Well, remember he has a base of 20 million. I don't think anyone anyone wants to take on that that base

going on. Well, I think the thing is, Ocho is that if you trade somebody get hurt, you're gonna have to, you know, take on that kind of salary. But I just think the thing is, is that it made more sense to me. This is not something that just popped up out of the blue. You probably knew you wanted to trade him after the season ended. So now you start working in that direction. Okay.

Probably not going to be able to get maximum value. You might have to get up off him for a fourth round pick. I know you want more and he deserves more, but what you deserve and what somebody's willing to trade for, they know you want to get rid of something. I'm not giving you market value for to trade for they know you want to get rid of something I'm not giving you market value for it. If I know you want to get rid of it, Ocho, right? You right you right. I know a good place for him to now, you know You see I want him for the Sator bangles But I mean for them for these fans that have that they've waited for 30 years they waited for 30 years and I think it would be a huge improvement look

what the Ravens did and going to get Jair Alexander and both Renes- For 6 million. Jalen Ramsey costing 20 million and that's a one-year deal and Jalen Ramsey probably got three more years on that deal. You right but I was just thinking about Jalen over there with that star on his helmet and Jerry's Royal AT&T. I'm just, I'm just throwing it. I'm just throwing it out there. They've already boasted the offense.

So why not go and add another piece on defense and solidify that corner position? Jerry Jones could have got Derrick Henry for $8 million. You mean to tell me he's going to go spend $20 million on a corner? Hold on. Think about what you just said. The running back position that owners don't really value, especially Jerry Jones. You know, he don't care about that. That's Derek Henry.

See, you see, I love the way you said that. You say that with enthusiasm. You said it with enthusiasm. When you think it's not the way he thinks. Right. The one thing the check don't think like that. And that's the problem. When was the last time Jerry spent big money in pre-agency.

See, when the last time Jerry won the Super Bowl. I'm just trying to tell you. I see that, too late, too late. Two things can be true. Yes. Now it's the thing to pay. Jerry believes in drafting. Jerry does not believe in paying guys

or giving up draft capital to bring a guy in. I think the last guy they traded for probably was Roy Williams. They gave up, because think about it. They gave him two first round picks for Joey Galloway. They gave him two first round picks for Roy Weaves from the Lions. And it didn't work out well for him. Yeah. Yeah. You right. You right.

And so Jesse F. this, the one time it did work out well for him, they got time. They won the Super Bowl. But time is a generational talent. Yes, he is. Rick, thanks so much for joining us tonight. Tell the chat where they can find you at on social media. Yeah, so I'm at Williams on Insta and Ricky Williams at Rx. All right.

All right, bro. Come back when you're going back to fight Texas about that marijuana law. Come back and tell us how you're doing. I sure will. Thank you. Appreciate you, bro. All you, bro. Take care. Yeah. All right, Chad. Yo. Ocho. Look at this.

Hey. Guess what it says, Ocho. It says, Night Cat Show 2025 Podcast of the Year. Shannon Sharp and Chad Johnson. Hey, hey, hey. I like that. I like that. Hey, I've been working on my French. Hey, I've been working on my French too. I've been working on my, hey, send me my award. Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to do that, Ojo.

Hey, why not? And guess what? What? Guess where the Webby's coming. Where? We're in the money, we're in the money. Hey, I like that, I like that. Ojo, you owe me $ me 5900 and you get your

awards wait come over side sitting on honey come over side mm-hmm that Bonjour yeah I need that a gym yeah what what's up Jim as you hey Jim you upside down what's up up? Oh, how I go until we turn the sideways on Benny now Now you better not yeah, you definitely better now So man, how you doing? Winning is Jim, you know, I'm looking rocked up like I just did 17. We gotta stay in there. We gotta stay here alright guys We gotta stay in there, we gotta stay in there. All right, guys. Jim Jones is joining us as Ocho was bringing him in.

Jim, how you doing, bro? How you feeling, my brother? You good? Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good, God is good. I can't complain. Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing.

You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 years ago, Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed, have you tried to do anything different with your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed? Oh yeah, the industry has changed tremendously from when I started, there wasn't no social media for one. When I started in 2003 with my first deal, and even before that when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage

when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have that access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us and watching the way that these kids work in the present day and things like that. I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music,

from how they sell their music, and from how they market and promote their music. Us, as being here for so long, we tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday, how they carry artists, but that's not the way they carry artists today. So they're platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society.

They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chosen to do is always chose a shot to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing, but there's a medium that reaches. I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn some also. So, you know that and reinvent yourself. You've got to be willing to be disciplined to know what direction you want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn some also. So, you know, and what reinventing yourself, you've got to be willing to be disciplined to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself. You know what I mean? One of the things I do is the gym.

The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a, is a motha. Jim, let me ask you this. And I, and I see this a, and a lot, especially in music. And I see this with television and entertainment, actress, actresses, is like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay, he does something different. Man, he don't sound like the old guy.

He don't sound like he used to. Okay, an actor, they try, actor, actors, they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing. Man, I like when he did that. I don't like, I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change. You want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it.

So how does someone win? Now, the person that that that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre and she says you know what I'm gonna go over here and I'm gonna do this. I mean it takes some guts Jim to do that. I mean she like Michael Jordan where Michael Jordan left the NBA and went to the MVL, the Major League and MLB the Major League to play baseball. He had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Like same with like Dion Neon, Dion when he was playing football and

playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both of them sports. I mean and that takes a lot of heart and I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continued to break inside of this music industry. Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what you think right now about the state of hip hop, where it is right now? How do you feel about it, especially with the young dudes,

with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound now. Obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How do you feel about this era of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it?

What? I mean, in my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that was hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can. As long as it's connecting with the crowd

and the people are singing your shit and they're going to your shows, then who am I to say, I don't like that music when they out here spanking shit? You know what I mean? You did? But so it's like, you gotta find, you gotta stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the midst of what's going on. Else you're gonna be lost in the sauce,

or you're gonna be looking like an old dude, or you're gonna be looking like a has-been, or you're gonna be... You understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that, you heard? If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm gonna play at the top of my ability to play. You know what I mean? I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough, and I'm in it, I'm in it. That means I gotta contend

with the younger boys, I gotta contend with older it. That means I gotta contend with the younger boys, I gotta contend with older boys. That means I gotta come through steppin'. They only respect violence, and not to say violence, but you know what I mean. Like, they gotta see that shit. You dig it, but while I'm in the game, I'ma show them that shit. Like, people don't get it twisted.

Like, I'm a man of many, many different things. Like, my rapper hat is one hat that I wear. But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do to maintain or be a contender in this game to keep feeding my family and making the money that I make off this.

You know what I mean? I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I gotta put out there for y'all to eat up, you know what I mean? But I'm... Matter of fact, hold on. I got? But I'm... I'm... Matter of fact, hold on. I got...

I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you go. I just, I saw some comments, I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push, I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you, you talking about the Ace Trumpets. You didn't like the album, you didn't like the song. You know, Woody Raps about it, it's not believable.

I don't got no beef with nobody, you didn't like the song. You know, Woody Raps about it is not believable. I don't got no beef with it. I don't got no beef with nobody, y'all. Okay, okay, okay, I'm just asking. Half of it is my opinion, half of it is me bending the algorithm, half of it is feeding into people's simplicity because the social media is for that, you know what I mean?

And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game. It comes with the territory. You gotta be very competitive. There's a very competitive sport and you better have some thick skin. I ain't saying that I want to hurt nobody, do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about, very strictly about the art of world when it comes to the music nowadays. Now maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, there would have been a different

outcome of what I was, you know what I mean? What I was projecting, but I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted in what the Jim Jones of today and things like that. I ain't got no positive, no but, I ain't got no ops, no nothings. And you know, it's part of me that I've been working on every day.

So tell us sometimes, I talk way too fast than I should, you heard? But it's part of the game. I don't care, you dig? I hate it, I love it. I'm gonna turn it into a victory for me. Yes, sir. Check this out, Jim.

It seems to me, since this past summer, well past last summer, when Kendrick had that diss, it seems like now people are just like, yo, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had, got five Grammys, he hosted a halftime show at the Super Bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that where we're headed now? Danny, where you been at?

You don't remember Tupac? You see the success that Tupac had? Yeah, but look, I could- What about Kumo D and LL Cool J? This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise to the rap industry. I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the auto rap is about.

It's a very competitive sport. And you've got to be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you've got to be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane Some people go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through a one loser drill. I keep the same face Mmm. Hold on. Hold on Bro I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on remember

I used to have you on my I used to have I used to use the tour with me used to open up for me Bro, you know you remember that right? When that was nobody what book is you you remember that you know you heard this song you know this you heard the same one Rivals, I mean idols become your rivals. That's what the rap game is about Did Alan Iverson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got an NBA? No, okay, cuz he was on another team that might not stop the love he had for Mike Did Alan Iverson hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? No. He ain't crossin' his ass up. Okay, cause he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike, but while we on this battlefield, my team

gotta win and I'm willing to kill anybody that's in front of me for my team to win. And that was Alan Iverson's attitude. You gotta understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes when we on the other team. We can reach you at the party, we can lab pop champagne, right now, while we on this field, while we on this court, oh, I'm coming to scrape shit up. Nah, we can't pop no more champagne.

You got people laughing at me, and guess what? They playing at the football game, they playing at the basketball game, not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that, Joe. As a matter of fact, I'ma close the club down. Hey, if he coming, I ain't coming. I mean, but I just told you that's what it is is competitive sport man You got it got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on. You heard so

It's it's it's sad that they gotta go to such a lens when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music but What's good? Once you project is what you're gonna get. So just have that same energy you put out there because somebody coming right back at you with that same energy, soon or later. Well, let me ask you one more question, Ocho.

So are we gonna get some new music because we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth and the dip set coming back. Y'all gonna link up together and give us some new music, yes or no? Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dip set is always dip set, the birds still fly high. I've been having a bird in my bag for the past 15 years

when nobody was worried about it, you think, so that's gonna go, but right now I gotta worry about me, I gotta worry about my endeavors, I gotta worry about my business, I gotta worry about my family. I've done a lot for diplomats where it didn't give me nothing at the time, but right now where I'm at in my life, what works for me and what I'm worried about is myself.

I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table, you dig? But right now it's about Jimmy Jones. And yeah, I am a diplomat owner. I bet. Go ahead, Ocho. I like that.

Listen, you took the question. I was finessed. And I think, you know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And think you know what, history repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself and most of the time when history repeats itself, it comes back even big and better, I think diplomats is gonna have, they gonna have a reunion.

I think y'all boys gonna reunite and despite your differences, despite whatever situations y'all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors, that ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had. Especially when they're making that money. Oh, check, y'all. A nice check always calms things down, you heard?

I'm not a stupid man, you heard? You did, but I understand that, but right now, where I'm at until that happens, until some business can put it on the table with advantages for all sides, right now I gotta worry about what Keppo's doing. And it's been working for me that way, you know what I mean? I've been staying out of everybody's way a little way. You know what I mean? I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit, you know what I mean?

Trying to... Every day I work on me, every day I get better and things like that. You think I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know what I mean? But I do work on myself every day. You know what I mean? I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what could happen if you stay down till you come up.

And that's what I did plenty of times. Jim, like, look, you want to OG's rap. I mean, hip hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades. I ain't 50. I'm 48. I said hip hop is 50. I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad. Nah, nah, nah. Hip hop is 50.

But you've been in this thing for two decades, right? I've been in this thing, yes. It's a little bit bit more than that since 1997. I came on got his first deal So I'm like 28 years into two. Okay, so 100% and I've been so I've been signed my first deals two decades ago How do you determine who you how do you determine who you work with now when you want to work with the young artists? How do you go about that? How do you be like man work with now? When you wanna work with the young artist, how do you go about that? How do you be like, man, I kinda like him, I think we can make some beautiful music together.

I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you've got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids can buy into, that's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that.

And that's how it worked for me. So it's a combination of the things that I look for to work with the artists or to do business with the artists. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously I'm a level of music. So if I hear a record that I think is dope and I think the artist is dope, I reach out to them. How do you stay motivated?

Y'all, we lost it. Yeah, we lost it. Oh, damn, that was good. I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man. Huh? What you think? Oh, Ocho? What you gonna rap about now, Ocho?

Who, me? Yeah. Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm gonna rap about things that I've experienced in life. You know, that's the best thing to rap about. That's what most rappers, they rap about the things that they've experienced. You know, the ups and downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the Ws, the L's. Yeah. I think I could put it together. You think so?

Oh, they'd be good. Oh, you bet. Oh yeah. It looks like a, you look like a French painter with a little bit of biggie from Brooklyn with that oil. You heard? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I just can't, I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days. So I just got back yesterday. Oh, that's the vibe. You still, you still still. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I just can't. I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days. So I just got back yesterday. That's the vibe. You still you still. So I'm still I'm still on my on my suave. My suave.

You still feeling that shit? I get it. I get it. Yeah, I'm on that. I get it. I'm on that. Jim, what. At at this juncture of the game, what keeps you motivated? What gets Jim makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can and press go.

What keeps you going? I would say the money, but I've been making money for a long time, and the opportunity to take care of my family, I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot, so I've been, my mission has been to give back more than I took, but I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Can I ask you a question, Jim? You smoke, right? Yeah. Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas? I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as let's get this right, I'm way more influential than Nas, and I don't care what nobody say. I know I made a little boo-boo when he talk about the sales and all this type of shit.

I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started or where he started. What you said that boy! But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit of run. But Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people. Like, he never...

Ain't no shame in that. That and a lot of my folks came up second to Tom Brady. He never had that type of influence on us, except for his first album. I already told you. I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh clothes that the Hustlers used to wear and shit. And we used to see him on TV.

He had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and shit like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas, but he kind of lost me after the movie Belly and shit like that, like I don't. Man, go ahead with that, Jim. I'm trying to tell you, I'm being honest. You ask me, I'm being a fan. I'm telling you from the movie Belly was fire.

But after that, he kind of lost me. I don't think I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes. That's not remember heard of a cool feel it Yeah, you'll go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him you didn't I'm not trying to repeat history But don't play with us when it comes to that bro. We already went went went went wild on them boys You're we don't want to go in while in them boys You're a jam and people are we acting like I said, I'm gonna bring the Kufi list back. I just told you I'm gonna change, man,

Stephane Laal, can you dig? Nah, look, I'm gonna put it to you like this here, Jim. Hey, bro, you been in this thing, but lyrically, I'm gonna keep it a stack with you. Yeah, but look how you dress. Look how you dress. You don't even be in the same place as I be in. And the things that we, they listen to me.

I can be in the church house, you can't ever Nas lyrically. I don't know who told you that. I know you on that good stuff, but you not seeing Nas. You not seeing Nas, bro. Let's be real. You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm better than Nas.

It don't matter. Look at you. Ain't nobody from Dempsey ain't gonna take you over Nas. And nobody from the Dempsey man but you. That's sure too tight. You can't f***ing. You can't help with Nas? That's sure too tight. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

That's sure too tight. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. You wanna go back to how I really mean it? I really mean it, Starling. If we could go back to the history, bro. No, but I just said it. But you didn't even say that. Don't do that, bro.

That's sure too tight. You can stick it up for Nas. I got a question. Let Nas stick it up for himself and meet me in a booth with something that we to do something historical. Nas say he don't do that no more. Nas say he don't do that. I'm like that because he got a hundred million dollars.

He's a very wealthy man. You heard he's a very smart businessman. He caught a couple business clicks. Hold on, hold on. Jimmy, hold on. I got a question. Hold on, hold on. Go ahead.

Hold on, hold on, Jim. Hold on, hold on. I got a question. What? And this is speaking, Jimmy. And anything that you do, right? I've heard you preach it all the time, right? When you was playing football,

your first thing you always say, ain't nobody here better than me. Ah, tell him again. Mentality. You just told me that story. Wait, listen to me, man. Listen to me. Fuck you think I'm gonna be second to anybody in this world?

Hold on, Jimmy. Hold on, Jimmy. Jimmy, let me, Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. Oh, stay with me now But I'm just saying that mentality isn't that how you supposed to feel isn't that how you supposed to feel? You know, let me ask you a question when you was on the field you thought you was better than Tio and Moss Hell yeah, what you mean? Came on here and say I ain't better than Moss. I'm not better than T.O., I'm not better than Rice. You said that.

I'm not playing the game no more. But you didn't say it when you was playing. That's the difference. Hey, Jim, why you talking? You need to get in with the rock. I'm still playing. Jaden, I'm still controlling the forces. I'm still playing.

I'm still playing at a high level. You better check my record, y'all. You jumping up the laws. I'm still playing at a high level. You need to go back and get Jaden. Jaden, I'm controlling. rappin' at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I will run circles around Nas rappin' right now.

I will run circles around Nas rappin' right now. Nas like the game. Nas, put his microphone up. Let me take my mic off. I will run Saturn around Nas right now rappin'. Everybody knows that, y'all. He never retired. That ain't, he put it down, he set it down. I will run laps around Nas rappin' right now rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard? Let's not talk about the past. That ain't, that ain't, he put it down.

He set it down. I would run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro. J-J-Jib. Oh, you're talking right now. But I'm talking, when y'all... And he's crying, but you're crying, you couldn't see it. I'm still in it. Oh, Cam was smoking his boots.

I wasn't rapping when he was rapping. But Cam really got at him. You remember, I really mean it? We been getting at them boys, but this is not about that. Right now, 2025, I'm in the game still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in the booth. I will rap so through the round.

He don't want no smoke. He enjoying that 150 million, 200 million he done made. OK, then. So then leave me alone while I'm on the field. You was effing with him. He wasn't bothering you. I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever, whatever. I don't care, I'm on the field.

What you say? And guess who's the most popular? You know who on the field? Kendrick, Drake, Weezy? They on the field. You need to call like Drake. You need to call like Weezy, you need to call like Kendrick, you need to call somebody that's still in it. He ain't in it. Why? Kendrick ain't made my age?

He don't wanna be! Kendrick ain't made my age? I wasn't in get him in my age? He don't want to leave. Can't you get him in my age? I wasn't a day in my era. I ain't got, that's not my era. He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement? Well, that's my era, so I'm calling all over the mile. I don't care if you retired or not.

Deal with it. If not, meet me in the booth. Meet me in the booth. And I'm just talking about sportsmanship. Call Jada. Let's get this right. I'm not mad. Call Jada. Let's get this right. I'm not mad.

It's all about the sportsmanship of the game. People know I'm a very aggressive person, and I seem to get misconstrued when I'm talking my shit. I'm just talking my shit, you heard? Let me talk my shit, because I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet me on the field. That is the booth.

Anybody from that era. Anybody. Hey, well I got, you know what? Anybody from that era. Anybody. What, you and Jada in the same era? Anybody from that era. Don't we try to go get that.

You ain't seen Jada, stop that, stop that. Anybody from that era. Stop that. I'm not scared of nobody. Man, hey, hey, see you speed right now. Anybody from not error, I'm not scared of nobody. I'm in the booth daily. Anybody want to work out, tell them come to the field. This is the perfect opportunity. You're not even paying attention. Your antenna's staying up right now.

Listen, he said anybody from his area, anybody that he in the field, right? Shit, we can have our own verses on that, our own nightcap verses. I got no idea. It's deeper than the verses. It's about who making music. Meet me in the booth, put the record up.

Give us a time to do the record by. Give us a subject, and let's about who making music. Meet me in the booth. Put the record up. Give us a time to do the record buy. Give us a subject. And let's see who wants smoke, who on the booth. That's it, man. Come on. It's about the sportsmanship. It's about the craftmanship. Fuck the numbers. Fuck the records. You heard? Cause we both got records that can smash. We both got... Nigga, meet me in the booth. Fuck all that old school shit.

We're playing on records from 20 years ago. I am not nostalgic, nigga. It's 2025. You don't want to smoke? Me, me in the booth, set it up and we can do it for money. Lay wasn't paid for it. How y'all wanna do it? We can make the spectacle out here, y'all. I'm a sportsman. I got it. I got it. I'm a sportsman, y'all.

I got Daz. I got Daz flowing. Well, get him in the booth. I got Jada. get them in a booth I got Jayda I'm rolling with kids If you get anybody in the booth I will pull up by myself Oh my Yeah why would you want to pull over the beat they can't help you When you get on that mic they can't help you

When Jayda and Todd start spitting who you gonna get to help you Hey uh you not seeing the vision That nigga is standing shirt too tight When Jerry and Thaw start spittin', who you gonna get to help you? Hey, uh, you not seein' the vision, uh? I see the vision, uh? You not seein' the vision? That nigga's spittin' his shirt too tight. It's an opportunity. You gotta stop buyin' baggy and clothes, big fella. You too big, man.

You talkin' about you in the gym. Now you wanna get me, you wanna see me in the gym? Oh, we can do that. You like to talk that ish? Now come see me in the gym. We talkin' about workin' out? Come see me in the gym. What we talkin' about? Workin' out or stramps? Hey, hey see me in the jail. What we talking about, working out or strength?

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. What we talking about, working out or strength? Strength. What? However you want to do it. We talking about work. If you got money. If we talking about working out, I'll burn you.

Take your money and work your mouth out. If you got money, you talking about working out, I'll burn you. One of them stats. You talking about working out, I'll burn you. You talking about working out or strength? Hey. Because you probably can lift a lot more than me. Whatever.

You're bigger than me. You're probably stronger than me. Whatever. But if you talking about working out, you talking about working out, about working out our thing this ain't what you do this ain't what you want Go to my, stand it up. Don't load your guys like you. What you wanna start on? You too small, you ain't in my league, bro. What you wanna start on? How you gonna do that?

What you wanna start on? What you wanna start on? You ain't in my league. You too small. You too small. You just said let's go. Hey, hey, you just said let's go. Don't put a trainer in between.

This shoe. Don't back out. Do not back out now. This shoe. Do not back out now. This shoe. I'll come to Atlanta tomorrow and give you work. This shoe.

Bro. You too small. Bro. You're too small! Bro. You're not talking! You're talking a lot! What you want to do? Hey, stick to what you do. Let's go. Hey, stick to what you do.

You don't want to get embarrassed. That's what it is. I won't take that away from you. But stay at the gym if you were saying. You got to say, do you want to do it or not? I want to compete too. How could we do it? Yeah, I'm a star without you. You can't you don't get Let me tell you one story, let me tell you one story

I'm gonna tell you one story how I met Antonio brand my son So, you know Antonio brand live up the block because I live on the beach and shit like that I'm like, who's that? He like he showed me to my DM them. He like, oh, yeah, you're still play football Come get this block, because I live on the beach and shit like that. I'm like, who's that? He like, he showed me to my DM them. He like, oh yeah, you're still playing football, come get this workout. So I get on the beach, Cam Newin and like a few other NFL players, I ain't gonna say nobody's name.

He made two of them go home, because I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me, I'm a beast, nigga. I will go crazy on you, Shannon. Yeah! Shannon, I will go crazy on you. What do you wanna do? You wanna work? You wanna will go crazy on you. What do you want to do?

You want to work out or you want to do strong shit? You heard? Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro. I'm a beast, nigga. I'm a beast. Yeah. You can't do one muscle-up, nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro.

Dude, you are 150 pounds. You should do muscle-ups. I weigh 195. I weigh 195. I weigh 195. You better go to my Instagram right now. I work out every day. I post it. I don't post it. Don't play with me. I work out in secret.

I post it every day, nigga. What's up? What day you want me to come to Atlanta? What day you want me to come to Atlanta? I ain't even in Atlanta. I'm gonna come see you. Oh, coming to New York? We got gyms? When you want to do it?

Make them look smart, man. You want to do a live on the show? 30-minute workout? I don't do anything for show, just me and you. And I just want you to know that I kick your ass doing what you do. You see what I'm saying, old Joe? Hey.

See, you about a show. I'm about dough. I want in too., you about to show. I'm about to. I'm about to. I'm about to. I'm about to. Well, the show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah.

No dough, no show. What's up? You scared? We can do it by paper view. We can do it by paper view. I know you've had a lot on the line because you're a professional football player or ex-professional football player. I'm retired.

You don't want to get straightened by a rapper. When you started your first card track, I was retired. So how come you had your first card track look like you're straightened by older rappers? When you started your first card track, I was retired. You don't want to just pick that by rapper. When you signed your first card track, I was retired. When you signed your first card track, I was retired. Hey, that's what a football player looks like just picked up by an older rapper. Hey, when we gonna compete? Ain't no rapper beating me in nothing. I'm going in. But on the microphone.

I'm going in. When it comes to the gym, that ain't happening. What you wanna do? What you wanna do? Look here. The rap game, that's you. That's your era. That's your era.

That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. That's your era. What you want to do? What you want to do? Look here, the rap game, that's you.

That's your era. That's your era. That's your era of expertise. Jim, I ain't finna waste my time dealing with you, man, because you ain't on this level. You want to run sprints? You want to run routes? What you want to do? Or you just want to stay in the gym? I don't want to run nothing. Or you just want to stay in the gym?

And I got a bad hamstring and I still give you work. Or you want to stay in the gym? What you want wanna do? Or you just wanna stay in the gym? Or you just wanna stay in the gym? And I got a bad hamstring and I still give you work. Or you wanna stay in the gym? What you wanna do? I'm staying in the gym. I don't wanna do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but the iron. Yeah, yeah. We can move an iron, bro.

That's what I thought. We can move an iron, bro. I will wear your ass out with the iron, bro. Hey, check my resume. It's explicit. In 30 minutes, you will not, you won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me?

How do you want to do it? You can't follow me. I'm on the court. You can't do nothing. You can't bench, you can't squat, you can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements. I don't do body weight movements. I move by.

You better go check my gram. I do circus squats, I do regular squats, we do deadlifts, we do everything. Are you out your mind? Man, I don't want you 195 pounds. Man, what I look like going up against a 195 pound man in a gym? That's wasting my time. Man, I want your take back. I want your take back.

I'm a heavyweight. I'm not a... Where I'm from a challenge is a challenge, nigga. Yeah, in regards to size, right? We fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I came up, nigga. You know what I'm saying? I don't get a no man on nothing, nigga.

You know what I'm saying? You gotta break me to make me, nigga. I'm the US. What I look like taking over Greenland? They ain't even got no damn military. You talk like you're a slag, bro. Bring your mouth and your body to Harlem. Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym.

You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers? No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape. Hey, Apple is a shape. Pear, egg, you know that's over shape. I'm not in regular shape, I'm in super shape. And you can ask everybody, the whole, the whole industry knows. That was a great conversation. You see what you did? Why do you think I was on the cover of Men's Health?

For my looks? Because I get busy. You get it. Oh Lord have mercy. When we going in the gym, cause I want this work. I'm busy. I want this work. I'm busy. You bring it up. Now you busy Rich man. You brought it up.

You own your capes. First of all you own Naj, you own Jada, you own everybody. And then you gotta come in my eye and robbing nobody. You said that. You said that. You start bringing up people. Don't try no slick shit. I said, I don't care who it is. I will go up against anybody. That's what I said.

Jim Jones claims he's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas' comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas' comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argued he's bigger than Nas. You said that. Uh, you sound like you in a little hot. You over there hot. I ain't mad.

You in your feelings? Cause me and everybody else knows you can't F with Nas. Your glasses is crooked. I said glasses is a little big. Your glasses is a little crooked. Let me get you right. My glasses are fine. You can talk about my, I take them off.

You can see? And I still can see you can't F with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't F with Nas. Come on, back on. You still can't F with Nas. Come on, sing 16 bars of Nas. Sing 16 bars of Nas. Sing 16 bars of Nas right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now.

The man busy. Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record. First of all, once you get to a certain, listen. Sing your favorite Nas record. Jim. I bet you know. Sing your favorite Nas record. Jim.

I bet you know your favorite Jay-Z record. I bet you can say your favorite, what? Jim, we fly high. Sing your favorite Nas record. Okay, you done flew high. You came back down now, you ain't a ball of Nas. Sing your favorite Nas record, bro. Since you go all crazy, bro. No, no, no, no.

I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. Hey, you gotta be with me. No, I'm with him. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you are capping. You are capping. That's what you're doing. First of all, bro, I'm about to be 57. You are capping. I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are.

You are capping. First of all, first of all, I'm 57. And I still can tell you can't rap better than me right now. I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap. Hey, you see what I'm saying, outro? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the viewers to get Jim Jones on there to get him hot.

I understand. But you don't know no Nas. Get him hot. rap I don't be saying no rap. You see what I'm saying, Alto? He don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the viewers to get Jim Jones on there to get him hot. I understand but you don't know no Niles. You don't know Niles. You better check the podcast space. Now you better talk to me. Sing, sing, sing. Hey, this the biggest podcast you ever been on. Name one Niles record. This the biggest podcast you've ever been on. Name a podcast you've been on bigger than this one. Hey! I'm not a podcast, I'm not a podcast. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. You see when you're feeling it?

You see when you're feeling it? When you get mad, you get invited to Club Shayshake. This is what I do. You're a podcast, I don't give a fuck about no Club Shayshake. You're not on that level yet, bro. Club Shayshake is for little, young, white girls. Chill out. Chill out. Don't play with me, bro. Chill out. You're dealing with the wrong one, bro.

Right here, bro. I don't care nothing about nothing, that's because you got the same, bro. You might as well take me off this shit, bro. Hey, we here. You can't not talk me. You might get out of that with me, but you can't not talk me. Nobody want to go to Club Shaysay. Nobody want to buy no VIP out-talk me. Nobody wanna go to Club Shake Shake. Nobody wanna buy no VIP tickets or that shit.

Nobody rushing to go to that shit. Biggest podcast you ever been on. You do got a good podcast. You do got a good podcast. The podcasts are tremendous. You and Ultra do your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro. I don't care nothing about your fucking podcast, bro. Listen, we supposed to be talking about music and love and embracing one another and culture

and having fun. Now, who you gonna let it come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada? That ain't gonna happen on here. Now, where were we? Why you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep putting Jada into this? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, bro?

This type of niggas get caught like, nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why you keep trying to put's wrong with you, bro? This type of niggas get called, like, nah, come out. They call us all. Like, why you trying to put Jaden in this, bro? Nah, I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro. All right, you talk about this here. Tell us about the movie you got coming out. The next movie? What you said?

Yeah, you got a movie coming out, right? Yeah, coming out at the church steps. Lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all know I'm excited to put them movie out comes out later on this summer Um, it's a it's a add to add it all to my album got a bunch of dope actors in there too. So I'm looking forward to that So so are you are you more proud are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got Coming out or they equal?

of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out or the equal? I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately. Okay. So you must think my life revolves around music. Well, my life is music is probably the smallest fraction of my life, even though it fuels a lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board, you know what I mean? So you got to learn a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist.

I'm one of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my back and things like that. All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth at school and shit like that. But deep down inside, I'm a way ill man than what we over here going off about and things like that. Like, my biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard it?

I'm gonna always do that, no matter what. I want people to get it, get it, let's get it true. I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on the explore page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I can give back. All this comes down to a dollar

is what people don't understand. This algorithm is a game that I had to learn and understand because I was a, previously I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the internet or so many ways that people were talking about me. I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep blowing at things like that. And that's just what I've been doing.

I got to a point where I got good at it. So I know how to use it in my favor. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work in your favor, you know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn it into a beautiful day. It could go against you. It could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work for your favorite, you know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn into a dialer. And anytime that I'm seeing her,

they're gonna wanna know about me. Action stream is an action dialer. I don't care about what nobody said. I name lines in all facets. You know what I mean? That's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask, when did you, was it always a part of your, like,

if you ever made it that you were gonna give back? Because, like you said, you do. I wanted to ask, was it always a part of your, like if you ever made it that you were gonna give back? Because like you said, you do, you do give back to the younger generation. You do give back to your community. When did that thought process, how did that come about? Jim Jones, like you know what?

If I get to a certain level that I'm able to help and I'm able to give back, that's what I'm gonna do. Now we're from an older era, a Godfair era. So I watched my family open their house to strangers. Sometimes with things like that, they was always a given. And not to mention when I'm coming outside and watching the houses doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always gave back bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all of that. So I just chose to carry on tradition and me being a position of success in my life

only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up. That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull up in Harlem. Come on, I'm waiting for you, man. I love your rhetoric. Don't pull up.

I'm waiting for you. Don't pull up. I love you, bitch, brother. Hey, hey, hey, Jimmy, hey, Unc, if you pull up in Harlem, we gotta go to Ricardo's. Nah, we gotta go to Ricardo's. Hey, Shannon, you know what I love? I love people that like to go back and forth with it

if people don't take no offense to it. You heard her? Cause a lot of people look at this and might take offense to it, but we Black men. They are, they are. But we don't care. We strong Black men and we know who we are. You dig? Like 100%. We can never let no electronics get in between We black men. They are, they are. But we don't care. We strong black men. But we have a great time. And we know who we are.

You dig? Like 100%. Yeah, for sure. We can never let no electronics get in between the rivers. We know what's at stake here, and we know what we're doing. You dig? And I appreciate you for that.

Because a lot of people would've took everything to a fence and like, you dig? Like, you heard? But we all who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y'all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you. You wanna pull up a haul?

I appreciate you coming on. Come on, let's get this workout out. workout? Come on. Oh shake to bring them to Harlem. Let's work on Let's go. I'm a brain Hey, he's not a he's not strong as you say though. He's not a Yeah Hey, hey Jim real talk though, man. I appreciate you coming on Ocho and I. We really appreciate it. We appreciate the time.

Definitely. And I'll never, you know, hey, we had a great time going back and forth talking about Nas and Jade and you, but bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You're great at what you do. And I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with Ocho and I and talk about all things. So I had a great time. I don't know things. So we, I had a great time.

I don't know about Ocho, but I had a great time. Yeah. Hey, listen, listen, this is, this was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got, this is the funny thing about it is people not going to understand what y'all do. It's going to be trendy Jim. You know, we going to be a star in the morning.

Even I, this, people not going to understand that. This is what we do. Nah, this is what we do. This is just the culture. This is how we act. This is how we act when we get together. Like people got gonna understand that this is what we do Not it's what we do. This is just a culture. This is how we act Just it's how we act when we get together like people better understand like it. Yeah, I love you. I don't man I appreciate it. It is one number the space game without a car Our whole attitude is paid all day All day

If I was in Harlem, he's not okay, let's go find the gym right now. We'll find out what we bought. 100%, 100%, 100%, man. We stand on that. Hey, but Jim, hey man, best of luck on the album, best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back, bye bye. I will.

I appreciate that bro, all love. Thank you, man. You're my my legend. All right. I will. I appreciate that bro, all love. You my my legend. Hey, that was awesome. That was awesome. Now you know everybody gonna say man Jim Jones and Shadow Shark was going to, hey. No, they don't understand it. Anybody that say that, they don't play spades. They don't play spades. No, they don't play spades.

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