Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Knicks being frustrated with KAT and Thibodeau has full buy in from Knicks!

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to the New York Knicks being frustrated with Karl Anthony Towns and his defensive habits, Tom Thibodeau has the full by in from the New York Knicks & Leon Rose, and TV Executives don’t care about finals ratings and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:41 - Knicks frustrated with KAT’s defensive habits36:19 - Thibbs has support to continue as Knicks coach45:00 - TV execs say they dont care about NBA Finals ratings53:00 - Jazz hire Austin Ainge as pres of basketball operations(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Supplies are limited, and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. All right, Joe, this is a topic right up your alley. The Atlantic reported that over the course of the season, the Knicks grew increasingly frustrated with Katz's defensive habits. Publicly, Knicks players made veiled comments all season about poor communication causing their inconsistency. Behind the scenes, they and coaches

expressed frustrations with Tiles' defensive habits. Less concerned with his talent level and more with the process on that end. Too often, Tiles executed incorrect coverages without communicating why he did it after it became a theme players word Tiles didn't grasp the importance of the matter the ability to constructively critique became a point of emphasis Joe It's hard for me to believe Tim's having coached cat in Minnesota to believe Tim's having coached Kat in Minnesota.

Now he's coaching him in New York. It's hard for me to believe he didn't know what he was trading for. Explore is yours. Nah, I think, I think he definitely knew, you know, what he was trading for, what he, or what they was going to get out of Kat. Now I understand they want him to be more of an anchor, you know, for that defense, you know, because he's the big guy. He's the last line of defense. Slim Butto.

Yeah, he's the last line of defense, Arkin Ocho. And I guess they expect more of a presence out of him from being in the paint from when guys coming in there, altering shots, blocking shots. They wanted to play both hands on the floor, man. They wanted to be a two-way big, not just a big who come down, pick and pop and shoot three. But he's never, but Joe, he's never been that. Don't, I mean, if you buy something, chat, no matter what you buy, shouldn't you have an idea of what you're purchasing? I don't buy a shower curtain, hoping I'm there. You know what, man, this a duvet. That's not what I bought it for. You have to understand when you purchase something what exactly am I purchasing and I'm about purchasing it for the reasons. So when I'm looking at I'm like you're like you're asking cat to be something that he's not. Cat has never been a

defensive anchor. Cat has never really concerned himself about that end because why? Defense no matter how great your defense is, more times than not, in basketball, it's all about the offense. It's all about guys that can shoot the three, that can put the ball in the basket at a high clip. Not somebody that can block four or five shots a game. Go ahead, Ocho. Now I'm getting rid of that. Now we all understand, I'm going to use in football terms, Uncle, you understand as a head coach, Tibbs in this matter, you understand your players strengths and weaknesses. You understand that.

And I hear all the time when it comes to basketball in this era that they don't play that much defense. No. You understand that Kat is an offensive player. You understand that he's a liability on the defensive end and you got him simply for that very reason. And I don't think he's not a, you didn't get him for defense of prowess, despite him being seven beats tall,

you know, that's not what he does. Hey, listen, I ain't saying- Where's the issue coming from? Hey, you know what you signed up for. I ain't saying he gotta be this stopper. He ain't gotta be Goldberg, but he gotta have some interest on the defensive end, fellas. He can't just play offense. Like, to whom much is

given, much is required. It's a lot given to cat. They wanting to step up and play both ends of the floor, man. You got to be a presence down there, defensively and offensively. Yo, if he had done that, you think he gonna snap his fingers and all of a sudden he gonna be a defensive stopper? Yeah, you can give me some interest on that end of the flow, Ocho. Know the coverage. Know what we're doing. You know, be in tune.

I ain't saying you gotta step up there and block four or five shots a game, but you gotta be in tune with the defensive coverages talking to the guards because they can't see you the last line of defense. You're the anchor back there. You gotta call out the coverages and all that. Yeah, we asked a lot of the bigs,

and it's a tough job, but he's one big who can do it. You heard what you just said? It's a tough job. You say he's one big that can do it, but he doesn't do it because he understand depending on how much he exerts on the defense end is gonna take away from what he can do on the offense end. So we gotta get in better shape.

We gotta get in some shape. We gotta get in better shape. I don't know. You preach it to the choir. I agree with you. Yeah, he gotta get in better shape. In don't know. You preach it to the choir. I agree with you. Yeah, he gotta get in better shape. In the last five games of the series, a seven-foot guy had zero blocks. Let that sink in for just a second. Yes, Chet, you heard me correctly.

In games two through six, Cat had zero blocks. So that's five games. So you mean to tell me, at seven foot tall, you couldn't block, you couldn't block Nim Hart or Nees Smith or somebody, or Siakam, somebody coming into the bank? Not one person, you couldn't get not one, like, hey, get that out of here. That's what I'm talking about.

Just has to- Because at some point in time, you see, see defense is all about effort. It's just like blocking for a wide receiver in the run game. defense is all about effort. It's just like blocking for a wide receiver in the run game. It's all about effort. Blocking period is about effort. If you don't give, if you don't give a D, it's going to show. You can look at the teams that run the ball. You tell me AJ Brown, you tell me Devontae Smith, you tell me the guys in Baltimore ain't blocking. You don't get those kind of backs

Running for those kind of yards if your wide receiver They're not blocking the office of line job is to get him to the line of scrimmage a lot of times untouched After that is the wide receivers job To knock people off it to make make sure a I'm gonna make you a pursuer I'm gonna to make you a pursuer. I'm going to make, excuse me. We, the way we blood get it, Ocho, we made you a chaser, not a pursuer. Yeah. So you're going to be at a trail position because we've already cut you off from

the angle, so you're not pursuing. You're not going to catch him at an angle. You're going to have to chase him down from behind. Go ahead, Ocho. Got a question, Joe and Y'all know better than I do. What year is cat in? Cat got to be like year eight. By year.

Cat came out in what? 16 or 17. So he had a year 11. 11? 11? Yeah, he going into year 11. Yeah, he just finished your 10. Okay, he's going into year 11. So he's played 10 years already.

So we've seen the sample size, enough of a sample size of what type of player cat is. Understood what you were getting. Now we going into year 11 and now we complain about him not giving effort and hustle on the defense end when he's never done it before. But the difference is the problem and Joe correct me if I'm wrong, is that when he played with the Timberwolves, they didn't really, they got, that's why they got Rudy. So Rudy could take up because they knew Kat wasn't going to be a rim protector. They knew he wasn't going gonna be a help side defender.

So that's why they got Rudy. Now you go to the Knicks and you get a Josh Hart and you got an OG Ananobe and you got a Mikhail Bridges. Bro, we just need you to do a little. We're not asking you to do everything that Elijah one did. We're not asking you to be Mark Eaton. We're not asking you to be Big Benon. We're not asking you to be Big Ben Wallace. Bro, but just a little effort.

Just care, just pretend you care. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Okay, Ocho, I know he in year 11. I'm sure the Knicks brought him in, you know, for his offensive paralysis, but defensively, he just gotta show more interest on the defensive. Y'all, hey, y'all can't me Keck can't move his feet, stay with guards, block shots.

He can do it if he want to. He just chooses not to because yeah, you have to exert a lot of energy on that end of the floor and try to save yourself for offenses too. You know what, but the thing is, they used to make you exert energy to come get that damn check. Now they've made it direct deposit. They made it easy. So now nobody got to take their ass upstairs to go to payroll. So when I first got to the league, you had to walk your lazy ass upstairs to the window.

Even if it's direct deposit too, and we go open it right there. I need to see how much it is. I need, I need, I need my check over mine right there on the spot. I need to see how much it is. I need to see how much came out and I need to see what went in. Yeah. Cause you know, they got everything out of my eyes. Okay. Tickets.

You got to extra hotel room. They got all that stuff right there. Only joke. Like, damn tickets cost this much. Hey, ain't nobody going to the game no more. It's, it's, it's different when you see that paper and you see the minuses on there, you like like, hold on, hold on. Yeah, absolutely.

The New York in the regular season defense was almost three points better per hundred possessions with Townes on the bench. That's what I mean. Look, I care. Fabulous. I sat down and talked with him this past summer, last summer, and it was great sitting down and talking to him. And I know he's gone through a lot. You know, he lost his mom, the COVID, and you know, she was in the hospital and he had a, and I understand he's great in the community, but Kat, you got to care more on the defensive

end because it's just, it's all all about and you have to understand where I am Uh, it's like a situation. Oh, like look there's certain situations. You got to blend in If I don't hey when I go to the barbershop, I go in the hood. I ain't all flashy. I got to blend in You go to new york and you know, there are defensive teams look at what they have New York and you know there are defensive team. Look at what they have. So you got to blend in. I'm not saying all of a sudden you turn into Rudy Gobert. I'm not saying you turn into Wimby, but like Joe said, just care,

just a little, just a little effort. I got one more question. Listen, next year and year 11, he changes, lose a little weight, right. And becomes a defensive stopper as well. Then we gonna be complaining about his offensive game falling off and saying he's lost a step or he can't shoot no more. Or he can't be down in the block.

Why does it have to be, see, they're not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Right. And why is it gonna drop off? I mean, no, I'm saying something, listen I'm saying something, something has to give Joe. You know that if, if he hasn't done it for this long and then he, all of a sudden he goes into year 11, you know what I'm going to try to give effort on the defense end and pay attention to it.

I'm going to listen to Unc and I'm going to listen to Joe. You know, it's going to suffer him on the offense end. Would y'all be upset if his office of play declines I'm just curious because no, but here's the thing though. Oh Joe now He might get some easy baskets now also cuz guess what I see you working What did the co-a what coaches see you do it? Hey, they see you throw a good block for Corey Dillon No, I'll say they oh Joe. Hey, we got any place for your Joe Now I got to reward your effort because you gave me effort on one end which I wasn't expected now

I've got to reward you on the end that I expect you to give it to me Oh, I got to make sure hey, man Let me go get any old show that three a quick passes right quick. Wow. Wow. Wow, but hit it with that spot Hit him with this stop route. I'm hitting with that speed out and I know you want that skinny and I know he want that skinny. It's a skinny post. We call it a skinny post. Some people call it a bang eight because you take seven steps and bang.

Or they call it a glance because, hey, you throw them seven steps and you just glance inside the balls right there. Or we call it the skinny post Joe. So we just call it a seven step post right. This year is low, man. Below the numbers. I don't want to deal with the safety.

Two yards outside the numbers. Yeah, okay, okay. I don't want to deal with the safety. Two yards outside the numbers. Yeah, okay, okay. I don't want to deal with the safety. Outside foot back. Hey, listen, I think if he come back in some better shape, he can be elite on both ends. Why he can't be elite on both ends? Okay, Ochoa, it ain't but a few bigs in the NBA that we ain't got but a few.

It's only a few. Well, first of all, it ain't but a few bigs in the NBA that we ain't got but a few. It's only a few. Well, first of all, you got three. You got three that can really play offense. You got him, you got Embiid, you got Jokic. I'm talking about true bigs. I'm talking about five. I mean, he looks at himself as a stretch five. AD, obviously AD, but AD says he's a four.

With that being said, so let's just, let's include AD. AD, Joel Embiid, Nicole Jokic, Kat. Who are your other bigs that can score? Wimby's about, I mean, Wimby really ain't trying to bang. Wimby ain't trying to post up. Okay, okay, that's what I'm gonna say. Okay, okay. Yeah, so let, even if we include Wimby,

we got five, really five bigs that can score. Right. So I'm just saying, Ocho, it's not like he normally, unless he plays one of those guys, he has an advantage. He's not going against Joe L&B. And normally, if they're going against Joe L&B, Mitchell Robinson's going to be on it. Right.

OK, he might have to go. And if he goes against Jokic, Mitchell Robinson's going to be on it. So with that being said, I'm just saying just a little... I mean, and I get it, because it's easy to fall into that trap, Ocho. When you start having success, Joe, on one end of the court, a lot of times you say, to hell with the other end.

Because I've been there. Started catching a few passes. Man, listen. Damn that blocky. Hey, Ocho, I got gotta put my face back in there, my hands, my knuckles getting all beat up. The hell with that. Hey, listen, listen, it's like when I was at Phoenix, bro, look, I did anything to stay on the floor,

Uncle Ocho. Y'all need me to chase AI. I chase AI. I gotta guard Kobe. I guard Kobe. I gotta guard T-Mac. And when I got to Atlanta and start dancing a little bit, shit.

I ain't chasing nobody. Oh, I forgot, Joe, we forgot about Shungoom from Houston. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, Shungoom. Yeah, but it ain't but a handful of bigs, and you mean to tell me, can't be elite, man, please. Let's just, let's round it up,

let's give it a nice round number. Let's just, let's round it up. Let's give it a nice round number. Let's just say there are 30 teams. There are 15 guys per team. That's 450 guys. Let's just say, we're gonna round it up. We're gonna say 10. There are 10 bigs.

Bigs. You mean to tell me, Cat, you can't give me a little more than that? It's not like you play at all 10 of them every night. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I can see if it if it was like it was like the old when they first started out They had 18th in the NBA when they started out. I think what was that? 47 57 Like 47 they started

Yeah, I mean they started out they only had 18 and now you say well damn I got a big every night But it ain't like that. No sir, and the game different too. So it ain't like it's bruised a basketball like it was. Ain't nobody doing like what Charles Barkley, Carl Malone, they got the ball and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Ain't nobody doing that. Ain't nobody backing nobody down like that.

Hey, you got beep, beep like a sanitation truck. Beep, beep, beep. So I don't get it. Nobody down like that. Hey, you got like a sanitation truck. So I don't, I don't get it. And, and that's what you try and see. This is what caused me to have, there's some validity to this because they try to make light of a situation. Oh Joe, you know how we do it, Joe, you know how we try to do it. When something ain't going right, we try to make fun. Man, my grandma blog better than that. You know, we try to make light of a situation. And man, hell, my sister woulda caught that one.

You didn't catch the ball. Yeah. But when you try to put humor on it, then you like, hey, you pull it to the side, and like, bro, what's going on, man? Man, come on, they sharp, man. Hey, bro, Rob blocking, Ed blocking, hell, I'm blocking, I'm blocking,

I like to block least, I'm the least one blocked. Right. Because if I'm blocking, that mean I ain't going to get out in the route. We not throwing the ball. Everybody wants to catch passes. But like Mike said, you know, blocking, I never forget, Mike came in in 95. Um, I had, what is it, 92, 93, 94. So I had gone to three straight Pro Bowls, I was the first team All-Pro, led

the team and receiver each year. After that 95, they tried to trade me. They wanted to trade me to Arizona. They were going to trade me, Mike Pritchett, the number 15 pick for Eric Swan. That's what they wanted. So the trade didn't go through because they wanted a couple of more, so they ended up just nodding hell with it.

Mike called me and I said, so when I came back for OTAs, he called me up to his office and said, what's on your mind, 84? I said, Mike, I'm not upset that you tried to trade me. I said, I'm upset that you thought you can find somebody better than me. You thought you could win. I said, Mike, I'm the best tight end in football.

Now I'm going to show you this year and then I'm going to make you make a decision. I said, I already know what I can do. Can't nobody see me. I said, for the first time in two years, I'm fully healthy. No off season ankle surgery. So I go out there, I lead the league, I have tight ends, catches, yards, touchdowns, yards per catch.

Now come see me. Now come see me. Now come see me. I'm him. I said, Mike, you can bring whoever you want to. There's not a tight end. If you brought him in here, and Beat could beat me for this job.

Not one. Because you gotta think about it now. I came, I got drafted as a wide receiver. They moved me to tight end. Oh, when they move me to tight end, I'm 215 pounds in the NFL, in the nineties. When they run it, when they run into football, it was that pretty stuff they're doing now.

You light, you lighten the ass, man. I leave my last game of the football, it was that pretty stuff they doin' now. You light, you lightin' the ass now. I leave, I leave my last game of the season, I weigh in, I weigh in at 207. How many wide receivers right now at 207 on your playin'? Two, damn near all of them. Two 40, two 50, two 60. Look at Kelsey, look at Big Gronk, look at all the guys, ain't nobody. I said, Mike, can't nobody do what I do.

But he said, 84, I need you to block. He said, if I just put you in on passing down and I put somebody else in running down, don't you think they're going to be able to key on that? He said, I'm not asking you to be one of these dominant. I'm not asking you to be what Washington have or what the charges have. He said, I just not asking you to be one of these dominant. I'm not asking you to be what Washington have or what the charges have. He said, I just need you to care. Okay. That's what you need.

Gotcha. Yeah. Go look at TD numbers in 96 and 97 and 98. He went 1530. He went 1750. He went 2008. Laying that hat. You laying that hat.

Hey, hey, hey, you tell me, hey, you ain't gonna always put me at the point of attack, bro. You ask, what am I supposed to do at 228 with Reggie? What am I supposed to do with straight hand? Bruce Smith? Come on man. Let's be real. Hey, them boys move around. Look, I got, I got pride. I do got pride. I don't just let him whip my ass all day, but they're gonna win more than I will win. Let's just be real. Absolutely. So, but that's, that's cat. Cat still has three, what three more years left on a deal that pays him 220 million. Cat can go get another deal. Cat came out how old was cat? 19. So cat's about 30 now. Cat can go get him another deal. He can go get up another 300 million dollar deal Yeah, all you gotta do is get- Cat 29

Man, come on. 29. Hey after next year if cat come back, so you know what? I'm gonna get y'all double-double I'm gonna give y'all 20-10. I'm gonna get y'all two blocks a game Watch them come to cat say hey cat you want this four-year extension for like 250? Yeah, cuz if he if he got them type of numbers, they're gonna be back in the Eastern conference. They're gonna be right back. Because here's the thing, Boston's not gonna be the same. The Boston team that came into the season this past season, they're not gonna be that

same team. Wait, are you saying they're gonna have a different team or you just saying they're not gonna be the same because Jason Tatum is not playing? Jason Tatum, I would not be surprised if two or three players get traded off that team. Damn. I would not be surprised. Absolutely not. Because here's the thing, Ocho, why am I gonna keep it together with no chance of winning

a championship? You think I'm gonna play that big ass payroll, go to that second apron, a repeater tax? Oh, absolutely not. Well, hold on, hold on. I'm just, you would know better than me. So you're saying Jalen Brown wouldn't be there? I believe he'll be, I think he, I think he, uh, uh, uh, uh. Holiday.

Holiday, white. Two or three of that combination gonna be there. Gone gonna be gone. OK. Oh, God. I think Prezingas might, Prezingas might be gone. I think Prezingos might be the first one to go. He might be the first ball to drop. No, seriously, he might be the first ball to drop. And then, like I said, Ocho, I ain't got no chance.

I'm not winning, cause guess what? You already lost to the Knicks, and you lost to the Knicks with Jason Tatum doing what he doing. How you gonna beat him without him? Okay, I got you. Okay, the Pacers. The Pacers are not gonna get, the Pacers not taking a step back. They got guys, they got guys on the contract. So let's just say for a sec, now all of a sudden we don't know what the he's gonna do. There's gonna be moves that's gonna be made but I just don't see the Celtics, the team that came into the season,

Jason Tatum not withstanding. I don't see that team, I don't see that same team coming back. I don't either, man. Like I've always said, I think it's gonna be some big moves made this summer and it's gonna be great for the game. It's gonna be great for the games.

I'm looking forward to it, but yeah, I agree. I think a couple of them guys are gonna be going this summer and I'm not sure what Boston's gonna look like next year. Brown, Holliday, Derrick White, Pratinkas. We're gonna pull up their salaries. And because they're already in that second apron. Yeah.

Because what they wanted to do, the players association said, we don't want no more super teams. And the association said, we don't want no more super teams. And the owners said, we don't want no more super teams. So we gotta try to make it cost prohibitive. Even if you win in championships, Ocho. I mean, I think they said, hold on. I think they said in the last three years,

Golden State has spent half a billion in luxury tax. 458 million. What? Yes. Boy, boy. Hey, yes Now that's on top of Steph Curry one of the highest paid that's on top of Drey mind making big dollars So now they took on 60 me Jimmy Butler gonna get 60 million a year so They made it really cost prohibitive.

You got a 2025, 2026 salary. You got Jaylen Brown making 53 million. You got Jason Tatum making 54 million. You got holiday making 32 million. You got Port Zinger's making 30 million. You got Derek White making 28 million. And then it goes 57 for Jayalen Brown, 58 for Tatum, 34 for holiday. Porzingis only has one year left.

So he's, he's a prime candidate because guess what? His salary coming off the books. After next year. So he's primed. He good as gone. 90% he gone. Derek White salary after next year, 30 million. Then it goes 61, 62, 37, 32.

Then he goes 64, 67. They breaking it up. My boy. Hey, see, now this gives people a better perspective. You know, last time I want to talk about reality, I don't mean to go away from the game of basketball. That's why now I see why them boys get all the pickings. Mm hmm.

Okay. But I'm running the numbers down. Huh? When you're making money like that, boy, you get to pick who you want. Boy. Get the sugar stick in it. And listen, whatever, whatever you want. Who to, what they gonna say?

No? Yeah. And Jason Tatum's what? 26? 27? So guess what? In two years, so basically by the time he come back good and have a good year in 26, 27, they gonna say they gonna

stand to him again for another three, Ocho. He's 27. Depending on how he will. So he's not gonna play nextcho. He's 27. Depending on how we move. So he's not gonna play next year. He just played the first year. So guess what? He'll play, he'll miss 25, 26. He come out and have a good year, 26, 27,

with two years left. Hey, we got three years for you. He gonna come back right, Ocho? Yeah, oh for sure. Yeah, okay. Hey, the first part, hey, if I'm not mistaken, if I read correctly, he had the same doctor do his surgery that did Kevin Durant surgery. Hey, he straight, he straight.

If I'm not mistaken, Neil Eletroche, Dr. Eletroche did Kobe's at Curling Jobe. I mean, they have like, if you're playing the LA market, you're probably going to go have the surgery at Curling Jobe. Be it back, shoulder, knee, Achilles. They're the best. They did my hip, both of them, uh, and did an unbelievable job. I mean, I was walking unassisted, uh, 10 days, the first surgery, seven days, the second one, unassisted, no walker, no cane walking. What's the name of the, name of the doctor?

Ker, uh, who, uh, uh, at Kerlin-Jove, they did, uh, no cane, walking. What's the name of the doctor? At Kerlin Job, they did Achilles? Yeah. They did Eletrosh. So is he, does he specialize in only the Achilles or other areas of the body? He does Achilles. Look, they got guys that all they do is shoulders. They got guys all they do is hips. They got guys that do knees.

They got guys that do Achilles. They got guys that do Achilles. They got A. That's A, and they good. Hey, you think they can fix my finger? Yeah, but why? Because it won't straighten up. That's how it is, just like that. Good, it's perfect for drinking tea.

You want? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, joke, my finger, my finger don't go down, man. It just stay just... Hey, look. We all lead a game with the War Wolves, bro. Oh, yeah.

In some form or fashion, you're not getting out of no professional sport thinking you're going to just walk up, you're going to be limping about it in some way, somehow. Yeah. It's not... I got lucky. I had no injuries, but it just it didn't bother me. My daughter, my daughter, my younger kids be making fun of me. Daddy, what's wrong with your finger? I said it's not even that bad. He said

straighten it out then. And that's the best I could do. Hey, you see, hey, Joe, you ever seen Tory hold head from playing? Uh-uh. Uncle, you seen Tory hold? Yeah. You all see Brian Baldingers. His, his, I mean, this finger right here pointing that way. Oh, that's how Tory's is. Hey, hey, Joe, Tory, Tory Holt, I think it is this hand, this finger right here. It's like, he can do like this, but the finger's pointing like he.

Nah, he's a line of hollens. He used to, he coached us when I was in Brooklyn. Line of hollens on his left hand. Yeah. It more point way over here. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I was in Brooklyn. Lionel Hollis, you know, his left hand. Yeah. It's more point way over here. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I ain't lying. Yeah.

Hey, and you know, football, you see, Ronnie had a pinky. He cut part of his pinky off at the joint. It's like, you're going to miss some time. He's like, cut it off. I don't need it. I don't do nothing with the pinky anyway. Cut it off?

He cut it off. He cut the pinky off at the kilt. He cut it off in the game, didn't he? After the game. Yeah. He was going to miss some time. He said, just cut it off because The game didn't he? After the game. Yeah, you gonna miss some time. He said just cut it off at the joint Look at Tory look at Tory hold hands, but you got it up. Where's that? Where's that? Yeah Don't you scream you see yeah I see it yeah Munoz has got it like his hands like that too you got you got baldies yeah I mean I don't know I don't know I don't know how Tori caught the ball

you say he tape he would tape he would tape. He tape but he tape two of them together. Tape them together, yeah. I don't know, I can't catch like that. I couldn't catch like that. Not catch the two, you know, they, you know, they catch the two tape the two fingers together like that. I couldn't do it. No, okay, okay, okay, okay.

No, you know, a lot of offensive linemen tape together because you know, they end up like that and the fingers be going all over the place. Right, right, right. But I did play with a thumb guard. I got my hand, uh, this thumb. I got it bent funky and I had to have a thumb guard on it. But that's all that was all I could do. His hands got like that from catching the ball just like... He got caught in the jersey when he was blocking.

Oh. Look at Baldi's pinky. God, Lee, that's how Atlanta Hollis look. God, Lee. And you know what's funny, Unc? Is they have procedures where they can fix it, but they refuse to do it. It's done too long now.

I ain't finna be, I ain't finna be. I don't got, like I said, unless I absolutely gotta have it. Right. It's fine. If yours like that, Unc, you ain't getting it fixed absolutely gotta have it right. It's fine If you're like that, you ain't getting it fixed you get no Man, they look they put you under they want to put a catheter in you. I ain't trying to do all Hey Hey, we've been under that knife many times. Hey, you ain't going under

No, look, I had to I had both both my, he was repaired, Joe, had one in July, and had the other one in February. And people like, man, your legs done got small. I said, let them cut your hip flexors. Let them cut the muscles into your hip flexors. Let me see how big your legs gonna be. I said, but I ain't in pain no more. I got a quality of life.

I would just, there ain't no quality of life to be in pain, you can't sit, you can't stand, you can would just, there ain't no quality of life to be in pain. You can't sit, you can't stand, you can't walk, you can't lay down. Man, to hell with that. Hey, look, Uncle Ocho, I ain't gonna lie to you. That was another reason why I got so hooked on yoga, hot yoga, especially because I had elbow surgery.

I had three, I had four chipped bones in my elbow. I woke up one morning after we played and my arm was just stuck like... It was locked. It was locked. So when I go to the gym, they thought I was playing. I'm like, man, I can't extend my arm. So they sent me right to get x-rays.

I got like four chipped bones in my socket. I had to go... We had the same elbow surgeon that Iverson used in Alabama. What's his name? James Andrews. There you go. Andrews, yeah. I use Andrews. But yeah go, Andrews, yeah.

I use Andrews. But yeah, I had that on top of ankle surgery when I was in college. So I done been under the knife a few times, man. I'm like, if you want free yoga, to keep my limbs in that mobility, because once you lose that mobility, that's when you start to have them injuries.

Yeah, because if I'm not mistaken, I think Curlin Job, I think Dr. Watkins, Big Watkins and Junior, is in the Curlin Job. But they got some of the best. They got some of the best. And Anderson. I think Anderson is the foot dog.

He out of Charlotte. He do, you know, when it has Liz Franks and stuff like that, Ocho, Turf Toe, he's the guy that they go see that. Damn. Lucky. The Athletic is reporting that Dibbido has the backing of team president, Leon Rose and full buy-in from Jalen Brunson. But the report also adds that team's governor, James Dolan, will make the final determination about the coaching situation.

Changing the coach is one lever Rose and Dolan can pull in hopes of achieving a different outcome. The question is, does that change anything? Okay, we bring somebody else in. Do you think that changes anything, Joe? No, I don't. Not if you don't bring different personnel in, you got to bring some help. I'll get some depth on their bench.

That's what they lacking. Yeah, stop worrying. You're starting five out throughout the entire season. Then they get into postseason. It's even more of a grind. So, as you can see, when they got later in their series against the Pacers... What time? ...they just got tired, man. It's only so much they can do. Yup. They gotta have a couple guys who can come off their bench.

And I understand Robinson and the other LaGuard, they come off the bench. The guard, they come off the bench. Miles McBride, Deuce McBride. Yeah, McBride. I like him, too. I like both of them come off the bench. But you need a few more guys that can come off. Yeah, you need about two or three of them, though.

Yeah, I know, man. You gotta find some dudes that's hungry. There's a lot of cats out here hungry. You just gotta find some who you think is ready to play. His insistence on playing starters heavy minutes has long drawn the ire of fans and players. In March, Mikael Bridges, who led the Knicks in minutes at 37 per game, which ranked fourth in the league,

voiced his complaints about playing so much. Sometimes it's not fun on the body. You want that as a coach, but I also talked to him a little bit, knowing that we've got a good enough team where our bitch Can come in and we don't need to play 48 47 minutes a night Yeah, but but that's but that's been his every damn a place Go back and look at Chicago Look how many minutes Rose played look how many money Jimmy Butler played joke him Noah look at how many minutes they played

Jimmy Butler play, Joe Kim Noah. Look at how many minutes they play. Okay, fast forward. Go to Minnesota. See how many minutes they play. Okay, fast forward. Go to the Knicks. See how many minutes his starters play. You can't play them guys that count of minutes. 38, 39 minutes a night. And then when you get in the postseason, you know you're gonna be, you're shorting your bench. you're gonna be you you shorten your bitch. Yeah, you're gonna be playing them guys 42 43 It is 40 40 to 42 44 minutes a night You got this opening round you got the quarter the semis the quarter of the semis the finals and then you got the NBA finals Come on, man Yeah, it's a it's tough. But you know as athletes man, we get in our own way a lot of times Ain't none of them dudes gonna be coming over there raising their hands, talking about, I need one.

Because, you know what? Got money involved. Because I'm trying to get a couple of... Hey. You mess around taking money. You mess around having me sitting over there too long now. You know what I mean? So... I think, I think, but I think in New York, for Teev's case, they definitely need, they need some depth on the old Joe.

It's gonna be hard to win a title, as you can see. You know, especially when they come down to the nitty gritty. Yeah. It's going to be hard to win a title against some of these teams nowadays. They taking away the super teams. You're going to have to have some guys that's hungry

and are scared of the moment. Look at, okay. OKC Thunder. Depth. Any other Pacers. Depth. Crazy depth. Boston, what they wanted last year, what'd they have? Depth. Any other Pacers? Depth. Crazy Depth. Boston, what they won it last year, what did they have? Depth.

You see what you have? Okay, yeah, you, you basically, okay, give me a superstar. Give me another guy. Let's say I give you a superstar, Joe. And then I got you a guy. He's, he's, he's not a superstar, but he's a star. He's an all, he's a, he's an all star. and he's right there on the cusp of being an all-mba selection Then I'm a surrounding with two three quality guys and then I'm gonna have two three quality guys Coming off the bench That's Caruso That's Wallace. That's Wiggins

That's Wiggins. Now you got J.Doug, all NBA 13, made the All-Star for the first time. I got a superstar in MVP and shape. I got quality bigs and role players in Chet and Hartenstein. Ta-da! Now, go look at the Pacers. Look at what they got. They don't have a superstar. I believe they have two star players with C Arkham and Halliburton.

And you got guys that understand you get Nim Hart. You got a miles Turner. You got a, a, a knee Smith. Now coming off the bench, I got math burn. See, I got TJ McConnell. I got OB Toppin. And then you get some, you got points you didn't expect. TB, Thomas Bryant, gave you 10 big points.

Three or four from the three-point line. Gave you a block shot, two or two from the free throw line. You see? That's how you're gonna have to win going forward. They made it so cost prohibitive for you to try to stack with three alls. Because you see what happens? You get three superstars and you ain't got no bitch no yeah but when you trade for these guys you better understand what you're trading for cuz Phoenix y'all traded for Bradley Beard a man was averaging 30 and

you expect him to come in now be a defensive stopper to be the third option to be a role player he ain't gonna go for it it is so you gotta get guys obviously you got to get guys are gonna buy in you be the third option to be a role player, he ain't gonna go for it. So you gotta get guys, obviously you gotta get guys who are gonna buy in. You talking about the OKC's and Indiana's. Yes. Everybody on those teams, they know their job, they know their roles and they gonna star in it.

They not gonna do nothing outside, they ain't got no business doing. Nope. This is why this is gonna make for a great finals because this is two teams that we have that are very disciplined and they understand how to win and they play together. They play hard. It's going to be a good series.

I'm going to play my role as long as I can and then when somebody comes along and the team that I'm on, they can't afford me, I'm going to go somewhere else and make big money. But if I can win me a ring or two while I'm here, playing on whatever you know, whatever I'm making 10 million 12 million 14 me whatever case may be and then Somebody come in and want to drop 25 30 on me There you go. I'm gone Yeah, hey you know guy if I play if I play an NBA on I would have been like I would have been one of them When I'm going to 325, 350 type dudes. You would have been what?

One of them dudes get one of them, one of them there four year, 345, 350. Oh, you would have been a super max on. Yeah, oh, easy, easy. Listen, hey Joe, I would have been super max on entertainment alone. Forget, forget to play on the court okay they will have to max you out no question hey they would have maxed me out here too

yeah they go back you out so they go back you out of the rookie contract huh I ain't playing. Shit. TV execs say they don't care about the NBA Finals ratings. According to USA Today, the 2024 NBA Finals featured a matchup between the Boston Celtics, the league's second most recognizable franchise, and the Dallas Mavericks, who hail from the fourth largest metropolitan area in the United States. It averaged 11.3 million viewers per game. The chances are the 2025 NBA Finals, featuring two decidedly smaller markets, Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana Pacersers may likely have fewer viewers. According to the Athletic, the league doesn't care much about how many people actually watch because the NBA's extremely new TV contracts with ESPN, NBC, and Amazon are already set in stone,

which means the most important revenue is generated regardless of what happens in the NBA Finals. There's really no direct impact between ratings and financial success, certainly in the near term, but if you have bad ratings for the next decade, then that limits your TV rights deal. But I don't think anyone in the NBA is worried about that right now

because the revenue for TV are guaranteed. The NBA is not hooked on for anything other than long time TV executive said this is the network's problem. Does everyone want Nick's Laker finals? Sure. But here's the thing, old Joe. When you pay big money, the advertisers, that's how you recoup your money. That's why football, Joe, for the Couture Ball commercials, they have 250. Yeah. They get $7 million every 30 seconds.

Now, if I got a bad matchup, nah bro, I ain't gonna be able to do that one. Hey, cause I got, I got to recoup something. I just, what'd they sign? 11 years, 77 billion. Yeah. 11 years, 77 billion. Now I shelled that out. Yo, I gotta get some of that back. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta get some of that back. I'm not sure what it... My bad. I gave him too much. I gave him a billion too much. 11 years, 76 billion.

Yeah. I don't know what executive said this, that having two small market teams in the finals doesn't matter based on, you know, the ratings. I mean, come on now, come on now. Yeah. It works everything. Cause people not go, first of all, people, people not really, then there's not like they're watching basketball and, and, and, and droves as it is.

At least they want the Knicks. They want the Lakers. They want Celtics. They want things that they recognize. Because a lot of people are not like, we watch it because that's what we do. A lot of times people are just casual. Who's playing?

Who? Oklahoma City got a team? I mean, that's what people are asking. I mean, if you're a basketball fan, obviously you know that. You know who Shea is. But there are a lot of people that just sit down and maybe the only time that they watch it is gonna be this. No.

Because people are not sitting around watching. Look, I promise you, if Jacksonville and who's a small market? NFCT. Jacksonville, Seattle. Who's small market? NFC team. Oh, Jacksonville, Carolina.

You don't, hey, you don't think the TV, you're like, whoa, God dang. Tampa Bay, come on now. You want big markets or you want big names? I would like to have them both. You know what I'm saying? The Lakers, when the Lakers and Celtics, I got Lad Bird, I got Magic Johnson, I got Kareem,

I got McHale, I got Worthy, I got Parrish. Oh, look at the coaches. Pat Riley, KC Jones, Bill Fitch. Them, them, them history. Them history. Yeah! Sun Power across the board. Oh, you got LeBron. Now, if you got, think about it. You got a small market, but you got LeBron. And you got Chef Steph. Now you got Steph Steph Curry and you got Kevin Durant Hey look I understand I understand all that I understand what you're Ocho saying

But I do think this is gonna be interesting finals though, like I'm very intrigued on how this is gonna go obviously, I got my pick but man Obviously I got my pick, but man, the way these teams have played throughout this postseason, especially Indiana being an underdog in every single day. All three rounds, yeah. I mean, how many times we gonna keep counting them out? And the funny thing about it, I think about it for people that

aren't really basketball fans, I think there's nothing that is going to be able to pull the viewer who doesn't really basketball fans, I think there's nothing that is going to be able to pull the viewer who doesn't watch basketball based on the teams that are in the finals. Who's the draw outside of SGA? If you're not a basketball fan. Now, people that love the game of basketball, Joe, Unc, you know, obviously me, we tune it in.

We watch. Yeah, we're gonna watch regardless. Yeah, we're gonna watch regardless, but you know, we failed to the game But everybody's not a diehard the old Joe what you're saying everybody's not a diehard Now if the Celtics was playing or the Knicks and playing here, it could be somebody don't even watch basketball Oh, yeah, I know about the goddamn Knicks. I can relate you know, but no, even though I don't watch the game I'm feeling tuned in just because Yeah, Shaq says he thinks all markets are the same in the NBA

Social media is the market now. Not every market is the same. Nobody cares what city you're in anymore. This ain't the 90s. I Don't know if I agree with that Well, he's I think he's saying because of social media the world is a lot smaller meaning It's not many moments that you gonna miss. I don't care what you. Oh, no, yeah. Yeah, you gonna catch every moment as opposed to back in the 90s. You know, if you weren't watching the game,

then you missed it, you missed it. Yeah. You know what I mean? But the problem is, Joe and Ocho, I think is that when you look at it, if the two teams, look at, let's, let's say, let's just say for the sake of argument, this wasn't the NBA finals on a Tuesday night, you watching Indiana and OKC. Now I'm going to give you that same Tuesday night.

I'm going to give you Boston. I'm going to give you Boston and the Lakers. Are you watching? I give you, I'll get, I'll tell you what I do. I give you the Knicks and Golden State. You're watching. So markets do matter. I do. I give you the Knicks and Golden State. You're watching. So markets do matter. They do.

Yeah. And I listen outside of markets, the players playing. Also, I have to look at that. But see, that's a soup. Because here's the thing. That's a superstar driven league. That's why you want one. And that's why you get him.

That's why everybody was shocked. May y'all got Lucas y'all traded him. He 25. He about to be here. He's turned 26 in two months. Cause they don't come along very often. You're very, you're very, very lucky. If you get a guy and he turns into Luka,

you get a LeBron James, you do it. Boy, you move heaven and earth to keep him. You get a Steph Curry, you get a Jordan, you get a Magic, a Steph Curry, Kevin Durant. Hey, if I get a Shaq, call me. I ain't giving them up. Y'all going down the vine here? Nah, hell nah.

That's why when the teams get a quarterback, Ocho, quarterbacks has always been the position that they had the best chance of finishing out their career with one team. Especially if you get you a good one. Because you understand how hard they are to come by and hell, the casual fan can see that when you wonder why certain teams don't have success and they have a merry-go-round with quarterbacks every two to three years. Now you see why. Shov released a tweet today that announced the Utah Jazz are hiring Boston Celtics Assistant General Manager Austin Aitch

as the franchise's president of basketball operations. What's this thing called? What does it start with an N? Never Tis. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. Scorsese tells me that him and Timbo tips That you say thing bond temps bond talks

Age has spent the past 14 years working in Boston front office including the last six of his current general role Danny angels currently the CEO of the jazz. Oh The internet actor reacted accordingly no mention of who his father is, huh? Good point Which I thought this was, huh? Yeah, that was real. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought they play pepper know that they not playing there They do look look at me. Look how many coaches are their sons? Oh, oh joy, and I don't. And I don't know how often,

well, hell, Rick Adelman's son, Dave Adelman, he's the coach of what you call him. But I guess his dad didn't have no pull. They didn't help him get nothing. Yeah. We quick to do that. But we're, nah, man, I want you to get it out the mud. Huh?

Nah, I laid asphalt down for you to walk comfortably. You ain't finna be safe. But you see, but ain't nobody said nothing. Ain't nobody said a word. Ain't nobody said nothing about no nepotism, ain't nobody said nothing. Ain't even mentioned who, Sean's mentioned that.

No uproar. Hey, hey, I can't lie. I say I ain't thinking when I... Oh, hold on. Sean, Utah Jazz are hiring Boston Celtics Assistant General Manager at Austin Age. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because when they mention Bronte,

they say he's the son of great. Laker the great. LeBron James. If I didn't know about it, why y'all didn't put the son of? Y'all what y'all do with LeBron? Y'all mention, y'all mentions about it, oh that's the wife of LeBron James. But damn. Bryce, Bryce going to Arizona. LeBron James, the youngest son, Bryce James, chooses Eric.

Hey, look, yeah, I know how this thing goes. I wish my kids wanted to be in media. Did Demsio have a podcast? Demsio would. I mean, if I knew somebody, if they, hey, I don't, in the profession, in the field that they're in, I don't really know anybody in that profession. But if I did, I absolutely, that's what you're supposed to do. Yeah. That's pretty much in anything that you do.

It's just like these owners, man, they had their kids working. They see, you know, they're going to take right after them. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Well, your son or daughter gonna take right after them. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Well, your son or daughter probably gonna play tennis. What? Well, I think I read 80% of the jobs that get filled are never advertised. They're word of mouth.

Hey, man. Hey, Joe, we hiring over here, man. You ought to put in your application. I put a word in for you. Hey, old Joe, man, I heard they hiring down there, such and such, man. You ought to put your name. Hey, my boy over there, he'll put a word in for you. Hey, oh Joe man. I heard they hiring down there such a such man You want to put your name? Hey my boy over there. He'll put a word in for you. Boom. No application filled out word of mouth Word of mouth Yeah That's still the fastest way to get information out word about Yeah, I gotta get in uh the three fastest ways to get information.

Oh, Joe man, one man television. That's the three quickest ways to get information out. Man and woman are definitely get it out for you. Yeah. The funny thing about it is, is we can get information out much quicker now to the world by hitting the send button. That's they just, that that send button is powerful. Yeah.

Hey, Ocho. Hey, Joe, man, what's going on, man? I ain't got no, I just pick a phone call. Yeah. Hey, man, hey, Joe, they're hiring out here, man. That's a good job, man. They, I think they start off at like 125, 150. Really? Yeah, man. I, I, man, look, I've been here like seven years, but, 150. Really? Yeah, man.

I ain't mad. Look, I've been here like seven years, but I'm cool with the balls, man. I'll put a word in for you, nah? Yeah. He like me? Hey, speaking of that, I know you got a little connection.

You know, I got a little connection with the latter house. I see. Did they hire HGM yet? Maybe. I don did they hide a GM yet? I don't think so Alexis said no mention of who his father is We only care about nepotism when it applies the broad and brawny right? Okay Lincoln Central said y'all gonna cry nepotism or only when it's LeBron. So Danny ain't just been taking his son everywhere he go Now that's nepotism y Y'all really, true.

Teaching him the ropes. I don't understand what you're saying. That wasn't one of the qualifications. Yeah, yeah. How did he get there for 14 years? So let me ask you a question. He only been where Danny is? So where was he before he left and went to Utah?

Where was he? If you don't mind me asking, where was Danny Ainge before he left and went to Utah? Go ahead, I got a little time tonight, chat. Because you know, Ochoa said he took a nap today. I took a nap today too. Yeah. So I just want to chat. So what did the chat say? So I just want to know where he started at. Yeah, he was in Boston shadowing his daddy. Oh, oh really?

So you mean to tell, hold on. So how did he get a job? So did he, did he interview? Did he fill out an application? I just want to know. Oh, oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah. He didn't have to fill out an application this time.

Come on, Chad. Y'all better, come on, pick it up. I need y'all to chime in, comment. I need y'all to tell me where Austin, son of Danny Angel, was before he got this job in Utah. What organization was he in? And if you don't mind me asking, was there someone that was connected to him at this organization that he's leaving? Hmm.

You know what, I want to look up the definition of nepotism. Because maybe I got a different understanding of what nepotism is. Yeah, you got the right one. You got the right one. It just is really quiet depending on who's doing it or taking advantage of the situation. It says to practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them a job. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. Uh, say, uh, what is an example of nepotism? A common example is a CEO hiring their niece for a manager position despite the niece having less experience than other applicants. Hiring or promoting unqualified family members, a manager promotes their sibling or to a supervisory role despite the poor performance record while other more qualified employees get passed over. So I guess, you know, Danny Hyde, the most qualified guy he could find. The most qualified guy he could find.

Keep that money rolling. So you know what? Us, we got gotta stop feeling bad. When we can put on, let's put on. Every time. Now, I want y'all guys to come now, look. Don't you come now. Just like I put your ass in, I put your ass out.

I'm gonna need you to do the job now. Absolutely. I'm gonna need you to do the job. But, yeah, we gotta stop this. We gotta stop this. Cause this is, I don't know how prominent it is, Joe, in the NBA, but Ocho, you know it's very prominent. Yeah.

In the NFL. Absolutely. Look at Kyle Shanahan's coaching tree. Mm-hmm Go look at make that go look at a Sean McVay look at a Leflore look at McDaniel in a in the Miami O'Connell. Mm-hmm. Go look at it. Go look at the guys and see how many of them work for Kyle. I tell you what, go back and look at what, that 2012?

Pull up Mike Shanahan's coaching tree in 2012 at Washington. Check this out Ocho, watch this Ocho. Yeah. Go, you will find something, see how many of these guys are actually head coaches now. Now, his offensive coordinator was Kyle Shanahan, his son. What was Sean McBade? No, I'm just one of the staff from Washington. Hold on just a second guys.

It's going to be. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shadahan. Raheem Morris was defensive back coach. Madeline Fleur was quarterback coach. What was Sean McBey? Sean McBeyur was quarterback coach. Where was Sean McBade? Sean McBade was tight end coach. Mike McDaniel offensive sisters. Now, we go back when they won the Super Bowl,

who was Sean McBade's defensive coordinator? Raheem Morris. Go back and look at Sean McBade and look at Matt LaFleur, Zach Taylor. See how they spread it out? Yeah. Ain't got no problem with it. But if we do something like that, we feel bad.

Or we complain about it. Like I said, I wish my kids want to do something in media Or want to do something in culture think I wouldn't call up Kyle I absolutely would Yep, call up McDaniel and what you call him too Yep sure would Now I want to do nothing. So I'm gonna go I should go on the damn I should. They don't want to do anything. I'd be a good my kids not gonna tell you who their dad is unless you like you gotta know. You gotta know if you say they not volunteering it. know if you said they're not volunteering it hey I think I should get into coaching on you don't want them hours huh you don't want them hours

well not full-time like we think about me coach apart no coach it coaching is full-time ain't no part-time coaching and full-time it ain't no part-time in NFL low Joe it's full time. No, I mean, we talk about nepotism right now and being that I'm part of the Brown family, I'm sure they would allow me to do part time assistant receivers coach. Hey, go ask.

If I was to ask, you know they would say, yeah, you know that, right? Hey, that's why I don't ask, because I'm afraid they're going to say yeah. That's why I asked Michael Kyle and other for the job. Definitely, definitely. Because I'm afraid they're going to say you. That's why I asked Michael Kyle. I don't know. Put it with y'all. Definitely.

Definitely. I got the first thing I'm gonna say, Joe, I'm just playing. Cause Mr. Boland, every time he saw me, he's like, you know, Hey, whatever you want to do, if you want to sit in the mom, Mr. Ball, I'm done. Hey, them coaches be putting this for me hours, boy. Hey, you got to already know. You got mean hours, boy, they ain't. What? Hey, you got to, I already know,

you ain't got to tell me, I remember. Yeah, listen, hey, I'm telling you, I done seen it. No, I don't want no part of that. Cause I know, I know from like 90s, when I, when our coach, when we were winning, we were at our apex for that, that stretch, like 96, 97, 98, we went back to, we went back to back to bowls And we are we won the division twice, right? Oh

Sure, they put $100 a week here Yeah, they ain't playing but 90 to 100 out of the week now think about how many how many hours in a two in a seven day week? How many, how many hours in a seven day week? I don't want to. I didn't see any Hugh and Marvin and coach Bob Borkowski. I just seen the blankets and the pillows. Air mattresses. The game, the game, the listen, the game plan to get, putting up the, what do you

call it, the, the, when you play playing the team that week, what you call it? The cards. Oh, they, they, the cut-ups, they're doing that on the plane. They're breaking that down on the plane. Man, I'm talking, hey, I.S.B. Red is on the, I don't know what on this plane. Yes. They're trying to stay up.

They land, they land, we land, they go straight, and you know, back, because obviously after 9-11, nobody could drive to the airport anymore. So everybody going back to, going back to the facility complex, they going upstairs. Man, listen. They go upstairs, hit that thing, they there all day Monday, they go home,

see their wife for a couple of hours, the kids, they back there again Tuesday night, Wednesday night. Thursday they get to go home. Thursday they get to go home at a decent time. They get to go home Thursday like nine. Yeah, but Tuesday, you know they're there all day Tuesday to make sure everything ready for Wednesday's practice and meetings.

Monday night, no Sunday night, Monday night, Tuesday night and Wednesday, you there. You there. No, I don't want no part of that, Ocho. Ocho, ML, go ahead,cho, what you want to say? Just for the sake of basketball, they're breaking down film every day. Different teams, because we're playing back to back. That's right, that's right.

It's a lie, man. I haven't seen it. I don't witness to it. The Volume. This is an iHeart Podcast.