Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Titans-Falcons + Howie Roseman speaks on not drafting Justin Jefferson

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the Titans vs Falcons preseason game, Howie Roseman speaks on how he regrets not drafting Justin Jefferson, the Top 10 highest paid NFL players have 0 Super Bowl wins and much more! 03:20 - Titans beat Falcons13:14 - Eagles GM speaks on regret of not drafting Justin Jefferson28:49 - Top 10 Highest Paid NFL Players have 0 Super Bowl Wins46:50 - Terry McLaurin53:44 - Browns to evaluate Gabriel’s hamstring Sat (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But from what you saw, what did you like about what you? a continuation of what he did the first piece in the game. Obviously, he was only two for seven, but there was a drop Van Jefferson on that overrout that he should have had. That was a beautiful throw. I seen a lot of people in the comments when I

mentioned the throw, being that it was overthrown. What do you talk about? No, you got that's a catchable ball. For a professional receiver. That's a very catchable ball, and it was a dime. Outside of that, a few drops, you had a few drops. Other than that, it was good.

It was good. People will look at the that line and say, ah, he doesn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game, but still he was the same calm, poise,

and control everything and he made good decisions with the ball. Hey, I agree with you, Ocho. My thing, when I'm watching is

his poise and patience in the pocket, him not getting rattled, and he's making the right reason also, I think that's the biggest key. You know, I sit back and watch

the young guys coming to this league, this grown man league, just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket with this, you know, Cam Waters should do. I enjoy watching those guys play, man. They look like they look like they end for a pretty good season. Yeah, but I will say too, Anginjo,

what we have to be cautious about is it is preseason. These defenses are very, very vanilla, and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet. I know they look polished, you know, based on what we've seen so far, but when you get hit upside to head a few times, you know, and if you get the jitters a little bit, will they still be able to have that same calmness,

that same relaxness, that same poise under pressure when you've been hit a sack a couple of times? You can play fast, but not in a hurry. I think the thing is is that you have more time than you think. And a lot of times when rookies come in, they speed themselves up.

And it's normally their second year, Joe, and Ocho, you heard people say this all the time, all of a sudden the game slowed down for me. And that's what you want to have happened. You want the game to slow down. You don't want the game to speed you up. Play fast, but don't play in a hurry. I like Cam Ward's poise.

I agree with you, Joe. I like his poise. I thought it was very deliberate. Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball. A professional wide receiver, got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school,

you don't make that catch, okay, fine. Bro, you, but as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of, that's what you paid for. That's what you pay for. You pay, you know, to make the difficult ones. I mean, hey, you're going to make the routine.

You've got to make enough of the routine ones. But every once in a while, you got to come down with a, you know, you got to help your quarterback out. He's not going to always be able to hit you between the numbers. And so now this is your opportunity to help him out. But I like what I saw from Cam Ward. I really did. Atlanta fell behind, but, you know, Austin, Easton, Easton Stick.

He came in and threw the ball because, you know, Pennix Union didn't play at all. That's the only thing to Ojo I was like damn They don't let these guys play at all I mean Ocho I couldn't even imagine Could you imagine

standing on the sideline the first second preseason game Ocho and not even dressed out You know how I am You heard enough stories about how I was I'm practicing I'm excuse me not practicing I'm playing in the preseason

I don't care I do not care of joke I had my coach Every preseason game I forced coach is to call timeouts in the preseason. Joe, just to give me out the game, man, I need these reps.

I need to get acclimated to game speed. Game speed. I don't care we can practice 100 times. Joe, we can practice 100 times. It's different. I wanted my body, I wanted my body to get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along.

Right. Hey, listen. Because you know why, Ocho? Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead. Make you point. A lot of the guys, especially top guys who don't really play a lot in the preseason.

Okay. So is it because they take all the rips and snaps in practice and they don't want to overload them into the game? No, they don't. Like, huh? We don't. We normally break it down, Joe. We normally have 50 to 60 plays practice and scripted.

And of those 10 plays, so we go, I don't know how y'all did Ocho, but we did 10 plays. The starters, the starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps. Now, maybe there's a, maybe a repeat, something didn't go well. And Mike was saying, okay, I want to see. that again with the starters. But you're going to take at least seven of the starters going to take at least at bare minimum seven of those reps. And then the other three will get divided up and okay, fine. But so you're going to get the lion's share of the rep. The reason why it's different, Ocho, is because you got to realize come game time, your pads are taped down. Now they

feel tighter. A lot of guys got all their pads in their pants. They're going to feel tighter. So I needed to get accustomed to that Because in practice Ain't nobody taping no jerseys No We're taping our jerseys now I mean come game time We take ain't them things tight

Tight tight And y'all know The fans They're ready to see it I wanted to see pennies Get out there a little bit And spend it You know at least for a quarter

Uncle Ocho But you know I know he got some high power Weapons he's talked a lot You know in this past week About how high power They are offensively And what he expects

Out of that Falcon's core with that wide receiver cord that he has. And I think a lot is going to determine on how quick he can pick up on things and how soon can he adapt to being like one of the top quarterbacks in his league. All I know is this. If I'm going big game hunting, the first time I fire my weapon, ain't going to want to see that big game. I'm going to get some shots off.

Yeah, yeah. I know y'all don't hunt, so I, excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you an analogy. You understand what I'm saying. If I'm going big game hunting, the first time I fire that shot is not going to see what I'm looking at something. I'm going to make sure this thing is capable of firing. In case you have to make some adjustments. Exactly. Exactly.

Maybe my aim. Maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make. But I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something. And OTAs and minicabs and training camp and joint practices, all that's fine and good. And rhythm and time. That ain't the game. That ain't the game.

Even joint practices are different than the actual game. Your mindset is different than the actual game. And so that's, and like I said, I think my last year, Mike said, hey, you're not going, but I want you to come in and get to work. So I came in, got my 15, 21, 10s. He said, hey, just warm up. Hey, get you a good workout in. And that's it for the evening because I want to take a look at these other guys

and see what I got. I already know what I got with you 804. Okay, cool. But, Ocho, I had them play three games. Hell, I played the first game and second game and third game. So what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that I haven't done in the first three that he needed to see in game four? So I get that.

But these guys, Ocho, they start, they don't play game one. They don't play game two. I'm like, and some of them don't play in my own. The preseason is a lot shorter nowadays, right? Yeah, it's only three games. And even in the NBA, it's a lot shorter. We should play at least 10 games. So I think it's a lot shorter like five or six games now.

So, yeah. Yeah, man, these guys wait, man, that rhythm and time, man, Ocho, you can't substitute that, bro. You can't substitute them game reps, man. You can't substitute that. You can go and practice and run as many drills as you want. and it just don't, it don't add up. Nah.

No, sir. Woo. Yeah, but that's, that's the difference now, Ocho. That's not what we have. Ocho, we might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple of more years, Ocho. I took some hits in preseason. Like this.

Hey, I play 14 years. I played in the preseason every year, at least three to, four games. Hell, oh, Joe, by you bulljabing, that's two seasons. I could have got 16. No, I was good. I was good, but I like what I saw with K.M. Ward. I think he's going to be fine. As long as they can protect him. I like the receivers, but they're going to have, you know, sometimes you got to make tough catch him for your quarterback. Sometimes you got to help

him out. You ask, you ask the quarterback to help you out. Like, I would always say, John, just protect me. I'm going to make. an attempt, even when I'm going over the middle, give me an opportunity because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face. Because if worse come to worse, Ocho, I'm going to jump like this here, put in the middle and take that shot in the back. I ain't really try to do that like this here. It gets that. Definitely. So I'll take the shot in the back, Joe. I try to get that thing. Kind of like what, you remember with Antoine Bowden, you got hit. Yeah. Remember that shot he took it out and he came back? You don't want.

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The mistakes kill me. It made me think, why are we picking certain guys? But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't. playing two Super Bowls in the last three years. Don't overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ, still haunts him to this day.

Yes. Because, because think about who you took is, look, the guy that he took, I played with his father, Monte Regger, Jalen Regger is the son. He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast,

and he overlooked the production that that JJ, that Jetta, gave him on the field. I asked Ozzy Newsom, who's one of the best GMs to do it, drafted Jonathan, his first two players he ever selected with Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis.

He selected Suggs. He selected Lamar Jackson. He selected Ed Reed. We know, we know what he's been able to do. And I asked him to say, Ozzy, Sugs, Ocho. He said Sugs ran 485

with tights and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take? a man that run four eight five he says shenna somebody got 23 sacks i saw somebody could be in the edge i don't need to run 40 yards i just need to run 10 and he can get off the ball so i believe he said i never forget this he said i believe what my eyes tell me he says yes when i'm watching film and a guy looks fast he looks explosive he looks strong hopefully he comes to the combine hopefully he He tests well. But if he doesn't, I base most of what I judge it on by what I see on tape.

I'm going to trust my eyes. Howie didn't trust his eyes. He got enamored by Ocho, 43, 4, 4, 4, 4. He got enamored by 40 plus edge vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to be able to, because if that was the case, hell, I'll just go get me a black guy. Do you see when Noah Loud is warming up? Did you see how high he jumps up in the damn air?

His feet, his heels, all right, the height of somebody's head. So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know he's exposed to the old show. Look at Tyreek. You say Tyreek did them back. You say, you got to see this joke in part. Yes, you can tell he's explosive. Go ahead, what you're going to say, but what you think about how he said, admitting that he made a mistake not. But, you know, that happens.

That happens. Obviously, it's the eye test. When it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches. and personnel in general, based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rigger and you'll pick Jalen Rigger based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself.

So I can understand where he calls it a mistake. Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get generous, you might not have the Super Bowls that you have. You know, you might not, you know, things would have been different. So everything went exactly how it was supposed to go, Actually, but I'm upset. Well, he stumbled into it because guess what? The next year, DeMonte Smith came out and he was able to trade down to get DeMonte

Smith. And a couple of years later, you traded to AJ Brown. So you got your big, too. It did work itself out. I was kind of upset. I really wanted, I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to be great at the position because he had all intangibles to be just that. And I think one of the things with him is,

Mentally, I think he had lost his confidence at some point and he just wasn't able to regain it back because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league. He just wasn't able to put it all together. Hey, okay, Ocho, do you think they put too much emphasis on like the testing, the combine when it comes to football, meaning because there are some guys

who will not test well when it comes to combine, agility, quickness, verticals, But when you put them in between the lines, when the lights come on, they just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football. But I see that a lot of guys this year, obviously from watching Shadour, you know,

I know I know we talk about him a lot, but he looks like one of those type of guys. You know what I mean? When you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah, hell not. He probably ain't going to test well and no combine

and no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I think you somebody goes to the combine. They might not be, uh, we just had a taran arm's armstead. He goes to the combine and run four six. Now people looking at him. You got a guy goes there and they might not be hurt or he might be a low. Go run four three because I can teach you everything else. I can teach you to catch. I can teach you the back pedal. I can teach you to drop. I can't teach you how to run fast or either you got that in you or you don't. But also, also as a gift and a curse, being able to run that goddamn fast

and then believing you becoming a project coming to the NFL, well, we can teach you all intangibles, you know, to become a great player, whatever position you do play, sometimes it's hard. Sometimes it's too late because if you're already in the NFL and you've been able to get by, you've been able to get by without the technique all this time. Yeah. Well, if you got the technique at the next level, you don't get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are.

At that next level, everybody run four three at the skill position damn deal. everybody, even the people that run 4-5 or run 4-6 that play receiver or not, they know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation. So speed is just an ad. It's like having a car unk and you're throwing rims on there. And once you put it, okay, that's the speed in general. It's great to have, but you don't necessarily need to be successful

at what you do. You got to know when to you. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. Have you ever heard anything? say size kill? No. Have you ever heard somebody say a strength kill? What do they say kill,

Ocho? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, speed. I can't teach you that. They say, well, he talked, no, no, no, no, no.

I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are. But that's in you. If you think somebody like got that, Usain boat was always fast. It was always in him. he just found somebody to get it out of him. So now, Ocho, you look at it, we look at guys, and they're like, man, what does everybody say?

I just, ain't nobody said I want to do 24 reps. Ain't nobody said I want to do 40-inch vertical. Everybody say, I want to run, I want to run 4-3. I want to run 4-2 because that's what's going to grab the attention. When Chris Johnson ran that 4-24, yeah. Yeah, but John Rawls got drafted in the first round because he ran 4-2-2. He couldn't stay healthy in college. So if you can't, Ocho, if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in NFL?

Yeah, he, John. Xavier Worthy. He goes to run 4-21, Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Moving. Moving. Hey, I got a question. And excuse me if you're home, Joe.

Hey, when you watch Xavier Worthy, despite his 40 time, he doesn't look, he doesn't look as explosive when he opened up. It's Tyree. He does not. It looks like, it's like right now, bomb he gone. But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time, but he doesn't look that fast until he gets going on the field. Yeah.

No, he's a buildup guy. You know, some car, though, so you just don't know. Like an electric versus gas. Like if you, if anybody out there to have an electric car, you know you step on it. It doesn't require that spark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I what you know, you look at Tyreak. Okay.

Tyreek looked. When you watch Tyreek run, when you watch the very first time, I say, damn, he looked. I said, maybe it's maybe it's neat. I say, but some people just look fast. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, we see them. And it is one thing to like to see a person up close and personal. But to watch somebody from the.

television and say, damn, he's a lot of a person. Tyreek looks explosive. You could tell, but you could tell the way he built. Look at, look at how compact he is. Look at the muscle, the musculature. You can tell the way he walked. Oh, yeah. You can look at certain guys.

Oh, he could do a back clip. Oh, he could, he could do certain things. That's how Tyree. Tyreek looks like that. Xavier word is fast, but you got to realize. Xavier Worth is what, 160? Tyreek, like 190. Really? You think so?

He lost weight. Remember he said he dropped weight. So he might be like 180, 180, 18. He might even get up back. But Xavier Worthy like 160. You know what Xavier Worthy might remind me of? The same type of runner style, they have the same gate to. And it looked like they're not running until somebody trying to catch them

or the ball is in the air, that goddamn thing. head in. Yeah, too. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You remind you, I don't know if you remember him, Ocho, James J. Yeah, from the Raiders.

James Jett was an alternate on the four by, on the four by one that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics. Lord, have mercy. He could go. Because, you know, the Raiders always been enamored. James was, they've always had, they've always had guys that can run fast. They had Willie gone who, they had. Sam Grady, who won the silver medal in the Olympics was on the 4x4 in 80.

Dada. They had swerving Mervyn for Dan dance. They've always had guys that can fly at that position. You remember when they drafted Darius Hayward Bay, Ocho, because he ran 4-3-2. Now, catching the football was

a problem. Running fast was not a problem. Okay, look, because you can have all that speed, but if you don't know how to use it and get open, hell, it's useful. Yeah. Yeah, man. It is. And I tell people, man, you're not that fast.

I say, all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked. This four, this four five, four six is pretty fast enough. All you do it is get to that safety. So you drop the ham on you. But look, you're going to make a mistake. But think about what you've done. You drafted Jalen Hertz. You drafted Jalen Carter.

You drafted Jordan Davis. You Jordan, Cuba de John. You drafted Landon Dickinson. Look at the guy. You found Jordan Milada. Look at the guy. Damn. How are you what you want to be?

Howard, the baseball player that mad that he struck out, he doesn't got three home runs at a double. He straight out of the land plate appears. He's like, damn, I messed up. Bro. Howie? Bro, you doubt. Devanté Smith.

Look at the pigs that he's got, no, Joe, since he got that wrong. He's playing humble. Obviously, I don't think how he's. understand. Listen, I'm not a part of NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power. But if anything, but Howie and Jeffrey Lurie have done the past, what, five, six years, hell, they're a goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team. Yep. I mean, to me, look at the defense. Hell, look at the offense. So if I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal what they're doing over here.

here. It's a copycat league anyway. Absolutely. On the field. People watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing. Yeah, they might as well do the same thing. It's easy to say than done. You don't think, hey, man, I can do that. I might as well cross over the country. But you don't, you're not Beyonce.

But, man, you see what my, you're not Michael. You're not Prince. You're not Usher. So it's easy to say this is what you should do. But you're not one of them to be able to do it. It's easy to say, man, you see what, how are we doing? But you ain't got how he's that. You don't know what how he's looking for when he looks for a particular player. Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzy.

How many Hall of Fame did the draft? Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on the, I think, the All 70th anniversary team. And Reid also. So you got three guys that's on the 100th anniversary team. Hey, Young, when you're thinking. Three guys, first ballot Hall of Famer. Suggs is going to be in the Hall of Fame. Lamar Jackson is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

The funny thing when I think about his joke, And Joe just said it clear as day earlier when the lights are on. What do they look like in between those lines on the grass? There's a lot of film on everybody before you're drafting. Yeah, God damn, it's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in. Let's say you did run a slow time. How am I going to knock you when I know what I'm getting

when it's time to play the actual game of football? The game of football isn't ran. It's not played in a straight line anyway. This ain't track, huh? So having speed is just another great factor. to add to what you can do. But if you don't... Jerry Wright might be the slowest receiver in the hall, Ocho.

Jerry Wright might be the slowest receiving in the hall. Technical sound. Rampo Six, he was technically sound, but he had something we call football speed. Football speed is the difference. And we know Emmett might be the slowest running back. He got the most rush to yard. Yeah.

Yeah. So when you look at it, We do. We put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho. But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football? That's it. Listen, this ain't Olympics. Hey, we got Olympians.

We're going to let Noah Liles. We're going to let kid have been there. We're going to let ride. We're going to let the album have of that. Can you play football? Because at the end of the day, we play a game called football. And it's not in a straight line. You're going to have to move.

You're going to have to be, you're going to have to react. And the number one thing, you can't. be a friend. Look, there's a certain level. It's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy. It takes a certain type of person to play the game. Well, not anymore. Not anymore. Not doing your error, doing my error,

it takes a certain level of crazy. The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped the defense, man, you got players out there catching with one hand, man. In the middle. That's why you see all of them going across the middle. Hey, and take a selfie. You got guys that talking about it.

Hey, the game. Boy, they're the buff. Boy, Joe back in the 2000, boy. But in the early 2000s and we're going to cross that middle. Alligator arms. Man, listen. Is that man? I don't want no part of that.

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that's Jerry Gough and Brock Purdy and we got Justin Herbert at number 9 at 52.5 and Lamar Jackson at a ripe 52%. Now Mahal isn't making that much money he want to try to keep a team together

he realized look Mahal's supposed to have been making first of all when they redid my home contract after that year he threw what 50 touchdowns with 5,000 yards he was supposed to be making $60 million.

way back then he chose not to take that much though that's that's smart that's smart that's the he realized like man i'm winning at such an early age if i want any chance to catch tom or be thought of in that conversation i would have to try to keep this thing together as long as i possibly can and that's what he's been able to do uh plus they go to him every year and basically like give him his give him his money in the same go say that and then guess what But after this season, they'll come back to the table again and give him more money. But anybody, are you surprised by that? Dax's never been to the Super Bowl.

Neither is Josh Allen, neither is Jordan Love. Joe has been once. Trevor Lawrence hasn't even won a playoff game. Tours never been. Jerry Golf went, but he went with the Rams. Purdy went, but he lost. Herbert Norla Maris won. That's why these teams try to take advantage of having good quarterbacks at a young age

to where you're able to fill out the robbery. You try to get him on his rookie contract and build around it. How Jayne Daniels is over in Washington. Yes. You know what I mean? C.J. Sprout. You get you a young, vibrant quarterback who can kind of lead you and you can kind of ride that way.

Yeah. And make sure he still has weapons around him and keep the defense solid. Because it's, they take up a lot of the cap, man. This is a, this is a. Oh, yeah. But that's what happened with Mahomes. But see, what happened with George Love is that he had to wait two years. He waited a couple of years, Ocho.

And so now when he's, plays well, it's time to pay it. So you missed a couple of those years that you could have got, but you got to pay him. Mahomes, remember, Mahalms sought out his first year because they had Alex Smith. Okay, that's one year. Okay,

the next year he goes, they goes to the AMC championship game. He wins the MVP, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. The next year, they come back, they win the Super Bowl. Uh-oh, damn. Jim, Chang. I've got to come to speak. He didn't hit him over the head like he could have. He's

like I need to keep Kelsey. I need to keep Chris Jones. I need to keep some of these guys in order for us to have a chance to repeat and get back. And so that's what he's been able to do. I don't begrudge these guys. It's not my job. I'm not a capologist. You told me to play I'm a plate. Shut up and play. Okay. So don't ask me to come down here to help your eyes with the cap because you told me to shut up and play. So I'm a play. Shut up and go back upstairs and figure it out. And the funny thing about everybody on that list, they give their team the best chance to win. They give their team the best chance to win despite them not having success or having the Super Bowls that they need. But without them, what would their team be? Without

those quarterbacks and the team that they play for, whether it be Tua, who hasn't been there, whether it be Trevor. Was Trevor Lawrence on there? Yeah. Yes. Time for a second at 55 million. Or Justin Herbert. What would their teams be without them? I know they command such a high high pay price or whatever, would have whatever you want to call it. but they still give their teams the best chance to win, which is why they're paid what they are, even though they haven't won a Super Bowl, let alone some haven't been to the playoffs yet.

Everybody ain't going to win no Super Bowl. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. It's not, look, and people get upset, Joe. If everybody won a championship, what's the fun in that? What's the value if everybody has it? There's a reason why there are certain zip codes, there are certain things that everybody shouldn't have access to

or what's the point in it? What's the point? Ocho, if everybody want a Super Bowl. So what's the value in that? What's the, Joe, if everybody won an NBA championship, what's the value in that if everybody got a ring? Everybody's like, oh, yeah, you're great players. You're going to win one.

Absolutely. But, I mean, it's the majority of the teams going to a season Ocho thinking they really got a real chance of winning, though. I said the majority. I didn't say all. they say the majority it's a it's a it's a it's a few it's about six what you think by 18 maybe not even 6 8 that's too many maybe maybe six six teams I'm talking about legitimate every single season on no matter what come hell of high water they actually have a chance to go

Super Bowl Ravens Kansas City's bills Packers now with their play I said did I mentioned Ravens? Eagles. Ravens? Yeah. Eagles, yep. Bengals simply because of the offense. Nah, I'm not sure what that defense is going to do. They can get to the playoffs if they, you already know what they need to do. It got to be one more. Detroit?

Okay, you might have been eight because I got to throw the Rams in there as well. I mean. The question is, fourth quarter. six minutes of left in the ball game your quarterback can you count on it now because okay you said okay you named a bunch you named a bunch of teams but now come fourth quarter now six minutes of less in the ball game how much do you trust your quarterback yeah so not

now see that game Joe that's now you got clutch situation the last five minutes this, go within five. Now, who can we count them? Yeah, it ain't but a few. It ain't but a few quarterbacks.

Because at that point in time, Boucho, ain't nobody to tell you. Man, man, I make 60 million. I make 55 million. You ain't thinking about none of that. When you're on the other field, I can honestly say, I don't know how you guys,

but I can honestly say, I ain't never thought about how much I was making when I was on the field. For what? any matter of fact if you thought like that you probably would be making that kind of money because you're focusing in the wrong place anyway thank you right but i have thought about some other guys go to feel bigger that kind of buddy like how yeah how how about here beat you like a draw we need to switch salaries and it's so hey but it's guys it's guys who think like that though you know they come out like they ain't do making this amount of money

oh, yeah, I got to come out and do a job on him, you know, just to show that, you know, a man's equal or better than him. Right. Yeah. And a funny thing about it, too, Unk, it also goes to say all the teams that are always in contention every year, you notice every last one of those teams have a quarterback with that way in that top ten? Not in today's game.

You know, we had this conversation, Ocho, about a week or two ago, and you say, you didn't have no chance. But y'all won the Super Bowl with Trent Dillfer. they don't play by the same rules though yeah they're not they're not going to let you all do

they're not going to let the defense do what the Ravens defense did back then I'm talking about in today I'm talking about in today's game the way you can't punish the receiver you can't punish the quarterback it'd be a flag on every play and you know

if somebody had an urge to do too today huh it's been a debate going on who is better the 2000 Raven defense or the Legion of Boom I mean man, what was y'all, but was y'all just born?

And what did we talk about? Okay, I just want to know who's debate. That's what I answered. I answered, there is no debate. Ray, what do we,

we talk about one of the best defenses of all time. Leacham, was good. In history, in the history, in a hundred-year history. Leach and the boom was good.

They were nice, they was nice, nah. They was nice. Yes. Come on, man. Come on, man. Don't do that. Their raven's group

was just a little different. Joe there was no weakness there very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels there was no weakness you couldn't run to you run running the ball and they didn't blitz so they're coming to get you with four and I guess that's the blueprint

they come to get you with four tell Joe how many tell Joe to the stat line against the Giants the Super Bowl All the punt, punt, punt, punt, interception. Punt, punt, punt, interception, game over. Yeah. They had less than 200 yards or total offense. In a three-hour game.

It wasn't even close, Joe. I know people at home didn't like it because it was like three plays, putt, four plays punt, five plays pick. Oh, they would. Game a lot different now. No, that was a.

Yes, yes. That was a, that's a transcendent. That's a historically great defense. When you go back and look at the numbers, just on the numbers, they didn't give up 190 points the entire season. That's crazy. Hey, Joe, you couldn't replicate. If you was on the video game playing Madden,

you couldn't replicate that. Here's the Giants, the Giants first five possessions, punt, six, excuse me, six possessions, five plays, punt, one place, punt. That's, oh no, no, that's yards, that's yard. Let me take that back, let me take it. Okay, three plays, punt, three plays, punt, five plays, punt, three plays, punt, three plays, punt, three plays punt,

two plays, pitch, nine plays punt three plays interception five plays interception three plays punt one play interception then they ran the kick back then they went three plays for no yards punt three plays minus four yards punt zero plays they fumble they punted on three plays and then they ended the game them boy was stingy wasn't it huh so they three six oh yeah they was it was it was I was like, you was on this team, right?

So what was- Yes, that was my problem here, yes. What was practice like? What was practice like against the defense? What you mean what a friend of like? That's what it looked like. What it looked like we did? That wouldn't look like.

Unless somebody blew it aside and I was able to sleep down in the middle or something, there wasn't no score going on, man. Hell, dog. Hell to the dog. Hey, if you told somebody that that didn't know football, they wouldn't even believe it. That was the real game. Hey, well, Uncle, you got me in tears, boy,

where they got their start, like, hell, dog. They punted 11 times. They threw four picks and had a fumble. I know. I know them boys used to be talking so much trans, trying to doing games and prank. Oh, boy, my. Yes.

Oh, yeah. I was like, hey, they gave up 10 points a game. Hey, hey, uh, and Joe, you're probably, give me, give me an analogy. Give me this in basketball terms. I understand the football term. Give it to me in basketball terms, something, something relevant or equal to that domination in that game. Man, I would have to give it.

I don't know what I'm thinking, but I would have to give it to the Detroit Pistons when they played the Lakers, the Kobe and Shack Lakers. What was that? There's 04. 0-4? I did not see Detroit competing, man. Detroit handled them boys, Ocho. You hear me?

Wait, they swept them? No, they ain't sweep them. Get them a sweep. Did they win one game? They did. Remember Kobe hit that three to sit in the overtime and they ended up winning an overtime. They lost game one, they won game two

and Kobe hit the three to sit in overtime. The Lakers had home court advantage, Ocho, man. Those boys, hey, that was a tough team, man. With Ben Wallace anchoring their defense in the middle? Yeah. And they had she crazy-ass-to? Tashon, Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chonsie Billers. Like, they played defensively.

They had individuals who could move their feet and play. Like, Tashon was a, he was what you would call a defensive stopper. Ben Wallace is what you would call a defensive stopper. But collectively as a team, man, they was on a stream. They were in sync. Like, you know, they understood their assignment. You know what I mean? Like, you weren't going to get no easy buggers against them dudes, man.

None. Man. Man. 188 points in 20 games. That's what the Ravens game was. Y'all just had to get something on the boy, huh? The offense gets something on the boy. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. If we got a ball, y'all's 7-0-10-0, and we didn't turn it over, you were done. It was over. Wait, oh, I'm confused. The Lakers with Shaq and Kobe? Yeah, man. Yeah, they beat the brakes on.

Shack and Kobe. Ocho, one, nothing they get through, Ocho. But that was, that's what like, when Shaq and Kobe

was at there, they were like, they was ready to be done. But they were still, they was, because Kobe had, they were apex though. They was,

they was. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but, you know, Shaq, you know, wanted to get paid.

Dr. Bus was ready to turn it over to Kobe. Kobe had the thing, had what he had going on. Dr. Buzz, like, you know what, I'm done with it. They ended up trading Shaq

to Miami. Oh, Right after they lost? And, you know, Ocho, they had already won, I think they had won three, three prior to that. And Detroit was just a- Yeah, they won 99, 2000, 2001, the Spurs won, O2.

They lost the O3 to, that's what, you know, 04C. So you're telling me if Kobe and Shaq actually stuck together, they could have probably won more than three? Yeah, yeah, probably, yes. stayed on the same page. I think so, yeah. You weren't stopping them, too, man. But you got to understand.

You had, it was like, had they been like Kobe, had they been like Magic and Corrine, didn't really care who got the credit and who team it was? Yes, they probably, they probably, Shaq probably obviously rest his soul,

Kobe would tell you, but they probably should have won like, at least five, maybe six. Damn. yeah they were that good because it's the perfect situation it's a guard and a being but but colby weren't taking no back seat you had that's the thing see magic because you got to understand magic came in as a 20 year old kareem won the MVP that season magic was the number

one overall pick magic's finals MVP cat what you need what you want It was Pat Riley with the magic later in his career and say, hey, he called Magic Buck, Young Buck. He said, Buck, I need you to score more. You know what Magic asking me? You talked to Cap about that? You cleared that with Cap. Yeah, I talked to him.

Okay. Say no more. Say, hey, Kobe. This is what you're going to get right here. Kobe. mindset was Kobe is an assassin Kobe is a cold-blooded killer

and ain't nothing hey well we just ain't going to win there because I will do what I'm going to do I'm going to get it but that's what you have to have that's what you have to have happen is that you have to have guys willing to sacrifice

and says I don't care I don't care who TV it is whoever gets to credit they get to credit it bloomin it's like it's like the Patriots you're probably never going to see that again, Ocho, not 20 years. You got 20 years of dominance.

You got 20 years, nine Super Bowl appearances, six wins. Let that sink in. So basically every other year, Ocho, they damn near the Super Bowl. If just think about it, if there's no Archie and Olivia Manning,

how many Super Bowls does Brady have? Peyton beat him three times in the AMC championship. game. Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl. That man might have 10, 12 rings. That's crazy, boy. That's crazy. So, Ocho, Terry McLaurin has been around the team for meetings and off-field activities, but offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury said time on tasks together on the grass is really

the only way to continue to build. And that makes it about for on-field work to start. I don't know exactly how much you can get out of that. I think we're kind of at the point that where you need to start getting those guys when they're available out there and jelling to see where we are as an offense. Now, you know, Terry McClure,

has he and his representative, has their number. I believe the commanders have a number that they're probably willing to go to, Joe. It is. I don't believe they are. Damn. What's the number, though?

Is it disrespectful? I mean, that's also reports. They say 28 to 30. And he wants to be DK. He wants to be north of 33. We could do 30. We could do 30. We could do 30.

Hey, so, so, okay, Ojo, what's this going to do with the young boy, with his top receiving weapon. What that's going to do for him, man? We need him out there. That's what Cliff is saying. We need to get jellant. All this is what we can be.

We need guys on the field. We don't even have him on the field, let alone not play it in the preseason. He's not even on the field. No practicing at all, no nothing. Him and Mike in the same boat. Hell, Trey Henderson, too. Yep.

Yeah. I don't know. Those are unfortunate, man. Those are the unfortunate professional sports, obviously football because it's so glaring. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you know, Daniels is definitely going to need him. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to be successful.

So I don't know, man, I don't know what these owners be thinking about, man. I was thinking that, you know, this stuff will get disputed or get settled, you know, before the season started. But we down to what? One more, one more game? That's it. hold on joe they do y'all like this too what's that in the NBA when it's time to get paid they're like oh no we don't want to

no they don't do that they'll do that it happens but it don't happen to way football like you know it don't necessarily lingers over to camp when camp star you are already pretty much settled into what you got going now you could be on your last year your deal and want a new contract and you may not get it but you ain't going to be hold now right okay okay oh they won't do that to you.

Nah, them, the boys ain't going to be home. Oh, Joe, the top players go get, the top players getting the max. No matter what. I mean, what are we doing with Shea? We're going to give them the max.

Yo Kitch's like, nah, I ain't ready to sign. I, I'll sign next year. I'm going to see what y'all going to do. You see Luca, Luca says, you know what? I'll do three years. In 28, I'll be able to get,

I'll be able to be the first $80 million in your playing. So, I mean, and you see guys, guys getting five years, 125. Guys getting five years. That's like standard rate now, Ochoo, 120, 1, 125. And Alta Reeves turned down like 15 to 20 million of the year. He's like, I won't 30.

Yeah, because he know he's going to be able to get it. I want to know what we're doing over here for the Hawks. I see, Trey ain't got no new contract. He's going to this season on this final year his deal. They're going to take you ever? Yeah, I'm surprised by that. I don't know what they're doing, Ocho. I'm sitting back like everybody else.

I'm waiting to see. Because, I mean, what's a max deal for him? Max deal for him got to be similar. You know, him and Luca was in the same draft class. They actually got traded for one another. Yeah, but let me ask you this. Has he been an all-N-BA selection? He should have been.

Man, look. He should have made the all-track at you. You can go look at Tray Young's stats. You can go past three years, four, five years. I'm saying from a point guard standpoint, Arkin, Ocho, he makes the guys around them better. He's led the league and assists. That goes unnoticed.

I don't know why, but it goes unnoticed so much. I mean, he does so much for this team, you know, it just, it don't make no sense to me. It's like if you end up losing Trey, I mean, I don't know what you plan on doing. I don't know who y'all going to get coming in. That's what I'm saying. Like, the star power that he has here and that he brings, and, you know, I just look forward to the Hawks being, I look forward to the Hawks being a top five team this year. Uncle Ocho on the Eastern Conference.

Top five. Yeah. Well, hold on. Wait. You go. Who they signed out of the deal? Top fire at who? Top fire at what?

We got, uh, they got poor Zingers. They went and got the kid from, uh, Minnesota, uh, Alexander. Okay. The kid Alexander Walker. Yeah. And then, and then you hope to grow them. And then we had Jalen Johnson back who's been, who was injured pretty much all the last year. And you hope.

the growth of matriot of the young guys they catch on at a faster pace dice and dangerous. You know what I mean? They got they got some great pieces man. It's wide open in the east this year. Oh yeah, Ocho we got jobs. We're going to be in front of the heat. But I believe Detroit's going to be better.

I believe Detroit will be better. The Knicks are going to be there. The Celtics, the Celtics, I think they take a step back. Cleveland, I think Cleveland will be there. Orlando, Orlando. The Pacers go take a step back. No Halley.

No, Miles Garrett, I mean, Miles Turner. I think they take a step back. So you might, you could be right. You could be right. You can't watch. Because we're going to be better than Miami. We got Miami this year, Cho. Who?

The heat. The heat? Yeah, we got y'all this year, brother. Listen, no disrespect to Atlanta. No disrespect to the Hawks and their players. Come on, Joe. Don't do that. Them boys ain't, them boys ain't talk about nothing, man.

They don't talk about nothing. What you mean? No, you told you said better than the heat. Yeah, I tell you. You're talking about, hold on. You're talking about Pat Riley Heat, Eric's Folster Heat. All right. Okay.

You won't bet none. Make it light of yourself, brother. Hey, you're already in the hole now. We need to get me out. I owe you $100, Joe. Oh, you $100. Like, come on. I'm just saying, man.

If I had it put up somewhere, I could be drawing some pictures on that little you know what I mean matter of fact I get that hundred to work on your Wi-Fi I got you oh man okay okay oh Joe Joe the Browns will evaluate Dylan Gabriel's hamstring Saturday morning but they are optimistic the rookie will start the preseason game against the Eagles per Jeremy Fowler Gabriel strained his hamstring on August 2nd and didn't return to full participation in practice until this week. Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett,

Shadour Sanders, will not play this week. Shadour was hurt in Wednesday joint practice and could return to practice next week and play in the preseason finale. Now,

what do we expect to know, Cho? I'm expecting Dillon Gable to play. I ain't trying to hear nothing by no hamstrings and all that. You ain't that fast. You're not that explosive anyway. I need you to get out there and compete. I want to see,

I want to see what to look like without the green and, without the green and gold on. I want to see what you look like in that brown, when the lights is on, when that pressure is on, you know, especially after what your door was able to do, you were the third round pick, I need you to go out there and show me why you were the third round pick. That's it.

Yeah, I wish him nothing but the best, but I want to see it. I'm with you, Ocho. I want to see some, I need to, we need to be able to put something on film to what we can look at and assess and be like, okay we've seen some bright spots we've seen some not so bright spots but we need to have something we can go out for it's like hey look it's minding funner to me man all these guys having these hamstring injuries you know i know the hamstring in the back you can't

detect that you know i'd have been around guys who then who them play hooky on uh on some of these injuries now yeah i mean it's a situation where like the mechanics i mean a lot It might be fatigued. You might be dehydrated. Your mechanics might be off. I mean, the body's funny. I know one thing. Too many players are getting hurt.

Too many players again. You see what I'm talking about? We talk about nutrition. We talk about diet and doing all this stuff that really has no bearings or do long. NFL playing this type of sport. You see what I mean? We got Kenny Pickett hamstring.

We got something wrong with Dylan Gabriel with his hamstring. I'm telling you what these NFL teams need to do. do on i'm telling you what they need to do what's that you need to bring me in and i have a plan i can do everything with a powerpoint presentation to keep these fellas and stop them from getting hurt okay um the game is changed right the NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever i played during the era where it was it was there was a firing squad out there when you're playing football huh i managed to do it for 11 years but no injuries none zero zilch not a pull not a not a not a not a strain not of nothing so obviously i did something

right that can help these young bulls with that's playing his day's game how you hurt and it's preseason we just you just got the camp two weeks ago them boys out they're working hard man that go for you too your oblique um i don't know what the where the goddamn oblique at joe who you're oh that's hey that's in that's in you me and your core the turn that's in you throw in motion I can see how he kind of tweaked that. Can y'all, you can't see that, Ocho? Yes. That's a very common injury for a quarterback.

Where is that, though? Your side, see? Obliq. I got something for that. I got something for that. I can have some do it back in two days. He's talking about your oblique hurt. Boy, get you some,

get you some Vicks vapor rub, right? Get you some Vix vapor rub. Rub it on the area where you heard at, right? Right. Get you some candle wax. Light a candle. and let it melt a little bit. Take the wax

and put the wax in on the area. It's going to sizzle. It's going to hurt when it first hits you, though. But that mixture of Vicks vapor rub and that candle wax is going to pull all that, all that swelling and everything that hurt. Please do not tell you this.

Right up out of there. That man didn't even know what oblique was that. Well, he got a whole remedy for it. I didn't know where it was at, but I didn't know where it was at, but I know how to cure the air. area okay because it's the strain it must be a strain or a pool and I got some for that

naive yeah you got a strain I just think the guys I think the guy I don't think the guys take enough time off these guys train near they don't get it by their chance to rest recover they'd be out there turning up man when the when the football season over I don't know man they'll go yeah they turn up but they'd be out there training hey look bro take take two bus off I want to I do I want to see these quarterbacks I'm gonna be honest with y'all I want to see them in a little better shape, Uncle Ocho. Like, you know, I'm, I'm,

I'm, nah, the worst shape they're in, the better they can throw the football. Nah, nah, why say that? You ever see Peyton Maddie with a shirt off? Yeah, I know, man. Tom Brady, Ben, we in a different game. Elway Burrito.

These dual quarterbacks nowadays, these dual quarterback, so they're going to need to be in at least shape to be able to do both. They're in shape, but from here to waist. you got to tighten it up they got to tighten that up

nah you got to get it up man I'm gonna get them boys right man I'm gonna get them boys nah they don't want they don't want no tight shoulders they don't want no bicep they don't want no tricep they got no abs

hey I don't want why is that because they got to be able to throw that they got to be able to spin that ball they can't have no tight shoulders it's like a baseball like a pitcher they don't do nothing about it you see a look at pictures

What picture you ever see with abs? You got to be fluid through there. That's why they're good at golf. Yeah. The best, who are the best players at golf? Quarterbacks. Baseball players. Basketball players.

Because they don't have all this. They're not tight here. I ain't, I ain't saying they got to be bench pressing 400, squatting six hundred I'm just saying man you gotta tighten up a little bit oh you just gave me an idea too

huh hey Joe you got to come with us me and me and Unk for the start of show like streaming right yeah the adventures of Uncle Ocho

but it'd be the adventures of Uncle Ocho and Joe okay hey hello because like I say hey cut me in and cut it out all right

yeah yeah I'm okay Joe can't do that y'all bad Joe we're gonna be in a left Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I get this little, I get this little, uh, splint thing took off my leg on the 29th. I'm out here with the shakers and move, baby. I'm my side. What are we doing? We're doing all the kind of stuff that, that people normally wouldn't be able to see us do,

fishing, hunting, you know, just doing like, you know, crazy stuff. Like, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just mentioning golf. Hell, shoot, I, I didn't play golf with Tiger Woods before. Let me show you Hey, hey, I can go out, now. Look at my swing. Can you see me? Hey, oh, look at my shoulder. Yeah, we see you. Yeah, go here.

Look how my shoulders. My shoulders are parallel with my feet. Okay. Yeah, right. This is how I'm a club like that. You see it? All right, okay. I just check my technique out now.

All right. I'm looking. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no. You don't broke the wrist at the top. Your wrist, broke at the top.

Just watch how it break. Watch my wrist. Nah, that ain't going to get it. No. No. No. No.

No. This bottom, this bottom, it's got to stay. It's got to stay straight. He got, it's, that inside, that inside form has got to stay straight, my brother.

No, look at your left arm. Wait, huh? The left, that's the bottom arm. You're right-handed golfer. The left arm needs to stay straight through the motion.

Hey, yeah, yeah, y'all let me know when y'all want to get on the golf court because Ojo's sweet. I know I got him for sure. Hey, hey, Joe, hey, Joe, hey, I had in, on one set and I play 18 holes, right? I equal four times. Oh, long, what? And one day. You'd be able four times.

Yeah, at Augusta. And I was in Georgia. I was in Georgia. It was me, Scotty Sheffler, Tiger Wars, and I was buddy name. Roy Macaroie. No, it wasn't Roy. It wasn't. Roy, it was the other one. Oh, Joe. John. No, no, no, no, it wasn't John. I know, John.

No, Rick and John wrong. It was John Rall. Keegan Bradley. Now, me and John follow each other on Twitter. It was John. O'Too. Oh, Tom. Oh, Tony. Hey, I'm a hell of that. Joe, you see that guy on the live? He shot 59 with a double bogey. What? Guy shot 59 with a double boge.

59 with a double bogey. He went on the birdie 13 to the last 14. Oh, goodness. Well, he liked me. Yeah. Man, man, game playing on going to go. Who? Oh, hey, hey, I can go, right?

I show you my clubs right now. My club's right here in the closet. Hey, listen. I got some club, but I don't know why we talk. My brother to go. Why are we talking, no, seriously, man. That pool table and that ping pong tournament. Oh, no.

Oh, come on. man. Oh, man. Here we go. Oh, Ephraeus. That's me. The magician.

Don't get him started, man. Don't get him started. Bez and I. Beat Minnesota fans. Be Willie Bascone. Be Steve Miscelli. I'm Ephrails. And I mean, no disrespect.

I love y'all to death, man. But there are three things in life. You might be able to be, you might be able to outdo me in other things, other sports, you know, things that you guys are more accustomed. to when it comes to ping pong when it comes to pool

and when it comes to bowling, please stay within your lane. Man, please. Stay within your lane. I already know I'm the best in the house when it's shooting. You don't even got no pool stick. With your pool stick.

I got a personal pool stick. They used to call me sugar cane, man. What did you talk about? My pool stick looked like a sugar cane. Hey, hey. I know one thing, boy, y'all talk a good game, boy. I'm not talking good game.

I used to be at the pool hall on 54th and 12th Avenue down here in Miami. Hey, now, for real, we got to link up for, like, a little pool tournament in the pink one. I'm going to tell you, I know both you, I know both of y'all's sweet. I can tell. I can tell. Hey, hold on. Hey, they got a pool table in Magic City? All right, no.

No. Okay, well, we can put one in there because that's what we need to go. You know, ain't a point of playing pool. I mean, I could call magic to see, but I don't think, I don't think they do. I call magic. Let's put a pool table in there. so we can have some food, we can use our peripheral vision,

and we can play pool. No, I need to concentrate. See? What we play at, Joe? What we play, Joe? We play eight ball, we play eight ball, we play eight ball. Okay, yeah, it'll matter.

It'll matter. Because I like, you know, I play nine ball. I play five and nine to money balls. That's what we do. What? Five on, hey, five dollars on the five and ten on to nine.

I'm not going to play no silly games with y'all, okay. Owee, boy, but tell y'all up some cat dragon. You do not, Joe, you're too tall. You're too tall. I know you're going to pay the- That's my advantage. There ain't no advantage. Do you have your own pool stick?

Yes, sir. What do you want me, but will me show it to you? Mine right here. I told you what they called me growing up. They called me sugar cane because my pool stick like a sugar cane. This ain't, man. This is not what you got to do, man? What kind of stick you got?

You got to break yours down, It's just like one. I got to break it down. Mine coming three. You can break it. I got, I got what, the one I break down.

My, my, my stick coming three. That's how I know. Hey, Chad, this is going to be sweet. Hey,

yeah, we got, hey, we got to record. We got to record. It ain't that sweet. Ain't that sweet. Ain't that's sweet.

Oh, oh, for Ray, don't play with me, Joe. Joe, stop playing with me. Stop playing.

Yo. How you want me to do it? How you want me to do it? Joe. How you want to do it, Yo, that's them $20 sticks from Dick Sporting Good, Joe. I got a pool tape upstairs. That's $20 from Dicks, man.

I beat you with a golf feeling. Why you are there bump of your gloves? I get a boon stick and beat your ass on, Joe. Why are you on that buff and have a car? Talk about you going to beat us. Nah, man, he can't play, man. You got that cheap ad, $20. $20.

Dick, sporting good pool stick. Man, come on, man. Tighten up, man. I'll tell you what, I get a better one when you pay me with my money. Ooh, we. Oh, we. He said in my four, then. Look at Joe, the lost signal again.

Look at Joe. What? What happened? I see you. Why are you over to talk? See it? You see how you over there talking? Oh, that's $20 a booth.

You see how you over to talk it, Joe? Hey, just because the pool sticks coming to at Dick's sporting goods, they cost $30. Like, come on. No, they don't. The pool stick that dick don't come. They're a solid cue. Nah. Nah.

Nah. Hey, I get a broomstick and be them joke. Hey, look, I already know what you can't. And you got to call your shots out, too. You got to call your shots out. Call out the number and the pocket. Right. No.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. God, y'all know I got on short. I got on, yeah, no, hey. Y'all do you think I have on a short? Come on, Dad, damn.

Oh. Y'all just think I'm sitting up in the same buttonball, huh? Damn. Oh. Oh. I was sitting down. I got on the, I got a old, I got a little here. Hey, Bears in the House.

Me and there for Reyes. And we're going to have to play 20 games. He beat me, he beat me like 13-7. 13-7. When was this? Probably about 20 years ago. You remember that thing we were talking about rhythm and timing? Yeah. I don't know.

Y'all probably ain't been shooting that much. You know, I shoot pretty often. I ain't no dude just off the street. I never held a pool stick now. I grew up in this thing. There are three things I don't leave home without. My credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick. It's always in the car. It's always in the car.

I keep that thing on me. I keep that thing on me, man. Don't do that, man. Y'all don't play. Y'all just talking about something that you like to do as a hobby. Come on, man. Like, I really do this.

Man, look here. I know I can be, look, Ocho not fit to beat me shooting pool. But I will. You're not either, Joe. This is the kind of stuff. This is the kind of stuff we have to have on stream. You know, hey, Joe, you know how cautioned that

and the Aiden Raw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. how they stream. Like, we don't have one for the older folks. The older folks do have, we don't have nothing. Nobody's tapped into that space. So, Joe, we have our own show call that Vincers of Joe and Ocho.

And it's just us doing all, do us doing all stuff that grown folk do, like playing dominole. Like I was sitting up here to say butt ball. Playing tongue. Yeah, I can see all that. All the good stuff, what? Oh, oh, you try to play tongue, too, Joe?

Man, come on now. what y'all want to do man wait so now you i guess you could beat us in tongue too yes man yes oh joe well first of all tongue ain't no team game ocho i just want you to know i know listen we got over since we talk about tongue we might as well add the goddamn dominoes too and add uno i don't play no dominoes but i play uno i can play checker you play don't well listen we have to see your uno rules first because everybody ain't got the same rule We're playing the old school rules. I am not playing all this new stuff

they be talking about today. I'm playing the old school rules how you used to play back in the day. What's the old school rules? So you drop it down reverse. You drop it down skill, reverse. Of course. Draw forward, draw two.

Listen, if you drop a draw two and I'm supposed to and I have a draw two too, I can drop that too right on top of you now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I play the simple rules. All that new stuff they're coming up with, man.

They, listen, they gentrifying Uno. That's what they've done. They gentrified Uno. Yeah. But I know I beat y'all in pools, that's for sure. I'm Jake Hofer, and this is Back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode, I'll be asking eight white-tail hunting pros, a focused, thought-provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

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