Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Terron Armstead discuss Saquon on retirement and who has the best NFL atmosphere?

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Terron Armstead react to Philadelphia Eagles Saquon Barkley comments on retirement, Shedeur Sanders talks about what he’s going to do for rookie hazing next year, and who has the best NFL atmosphere and much more!01:47 - Introduction23:16 - Saquon Barkley29:15 - Shedeur Sanders46:49 - Best NFL Atmosphere58:10 - CJ Garder-Johnson(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro, madden adjuster, that's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. And we have a very special guest tonight. He's a five time pro bowler out of Arkansas, Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois. And he still holds the record for the fastest offensive lineman for a 40-yard dash time in the Combine history at 471.

Here he is, Tyron Armstead. Tyron, how you doing, man? I'm good, I'm good. How you doing? Well, I'm doing amazing, bro. Thanks for joining. We're going to just skip over that on? Yeah.

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So please grab yours while supplies last. Yes, Ocho. In the 2013 combine, Tyron recorded the fastest 40 for an offensive lineman in combine history, a record that still stands to this day. It was close. Lane Johnson ran four seven two, but Tehran's record of four seven one is close. And if I'm not mistaken, they're the only two offensive linemen that's running the four sevens. They've been a couple of run low four eights

But no other linemen other than Tehran at four seven one Lane Johnson at four seven two have been in the offensive linemen Have been in the four sevens. So as of yet, so now with 13 years and counting 2013 to 2015 and Tehran still held that record. Tyron, look, you coming out of Arkansas, playing Pine Bluff and it's not like it used to be, there used to be a plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that would have been nothing, but here it is now we're in the 2000, 2010s and we get an offensive lineman, you're a three time SWAC, uh, all conference player and you go to the combine, What were your expectations?

Did you know you had this kind of ability in you? Yeah, for sure, for sure. I knew I had the talent and the speed and agility to showcase, I just had to get to the showcase. So it was really huge for me to get that combine invite. That was monumental for me, trying to get more exposure, get more eyes to my tape. So I knew that I was going to go, I was going that was monumental for me trying to get more exposure, get more eyes to my, to my tape. So I knew that I was going to go, I was going for the record for sure.

Like before I even, before we got to Indy, I was going for the record. I wanted to run faster, honestly, than that. Um, but I'll take the four seven. Hey, six four three oh five. That's what I would get ready to ask you. I would get ready to ask you how tall you were and how much you weighed to be able to run that. Listen, I,'s what I would get ready to ask you. I would get ready to ask you how tall you were and how much you weighed to be able to run that.

Listen, I ain't run number 4-5, so technically, boy, you right there with me. I'm right there on your neck. Yeah. No, I was 6'5", 306 I believe, 304 at the combine. Wow. So you knew, you knew, so what was, if I'm not, I don't know what the record was. What was the record? What was the fastest 40 time for an offensive lineman before you broke it?

It was 4A4. 4A4. Wow. You didn't break it. You obliterated it. I needed it. I needed it all that. I needed that, that my moment I was on NFL network.com, NFL.com for like two hours. I needed all of it. So, so the scouts can go watch my film. Okay. So now you go run that 40 yard dash time. You run four seven one and that's really the audit. Yeah.

They want you to jump high. Yeah. They want you to do too. But speed is what captivates their attention. Now you and offensive lineman, you never going to be able to unwind that four several one again, but you just wanted to put that on tape and let them see, look, you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes, I went to Arkansas, Plymouth. Yeah, I know you're gonna downgrade me. Talk about who did I block and who did I play against. But I'm

gonna come and showcase my skills and let you see and then the chips fall where they may. So when you ran that time, did you know like, okay, I got their undivided attention. I'm about to get drafted. Oh yeah, no, for sure. We have special talents down in these HBCUs all across the country, we do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill. I knew what time it was. I was going for the vertical record too.

I missed that by half an inch. So like I knew that I was gonna be able to make that splash. And like I say, again, I needed it. I really needed that chance to get all the scouts, just to watch my film. I wouldn't ask for no favors, but just check out the film and see the dominance. Yeah. Now, also, when I look at the offensive line position, as fast as you were, you know, as far as running the 40, did you have an advantage as far as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive line as well?

Because most of the time, obviously, you know, playing offensive line is all about your hand placement and your footwork and always being balanced. Did that give you the advantage? Yeah, no, my athleticism, my agility, those were my strengths when I played throughout my 12 year career. Cause I'm 6'5", 304, not the biggest tackle, not necessarily the strongest either,

but I'm on your ass as soon as the ball snap. You know what I mean? A lot of jump sets. I had to use that in my game. So, uh, find a ways to play to my strength that I was using my speed. Okay. Were you always an offensive lineman? Cause I mean, we were that kind of fast twitch.

You might've been a, you might've been a tight end at some point in time in your career, were you always an offensive lineman? Well, back in my hometown, Cahokia, Illinois, we're known for speed. That's what we do. We run. So I was a defensive lineman and an offensive lineman. But I would go play 707 with the guys, corner safety, receiving, whatever. Dino.

Yeah, I really was like that. Really was like that. I can't do that shit no more. I really was like that. I can't move like that no more, too. Well, since, look, you mentioned, you say, so you what, 34? 34 right now to 35? 33. 33. Tyron, you walk away from the game, you're only 33. Lyman normally played in at 36, 37, 38.

We saw Jackie Slater play 20 years, and he retired at 40 plus and we see linemen especially I don't know your injury history that's why that's why I'm going with this why walk away from the game and all that shelter out there you see that money so it's a lot of it's a lot of uh freshly printed money out there for sure but yeah it is yes indeed I got man, God blessed me with so many great moments and great years and a great career. My injury history is extensive. It is, it is long and I've been through it. And that's really the part for me is my body. I love this game.

Mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game forever, but it's just physically. And I'm okay with saying that, that my body is slowing down, it's movements and abilities that I just can't perform at the same level. And I take so much pride in my film. Yeah, man. It has to look a certain way. Like every time I step on a field, it has to look pro ball, pro like that's the that's the brand I want it to leave.

So I never want to look like I'm out there getting whooped on. That can't happen. You know what? It takes a lot. It takes a lot of awareness, self-awareness at that for a player of your caliber, or any player that's played in the NFL, that's played at a high level, to understand when it's time to call the quiz. Most of the time we'll ride the car to the wheels, fall off, you know? For sure.

But no regard for, you know what? I don't look the same. At what moment did you realize off, you know, with no regard for, you know what, I don't look the same. At what moment did you realize that, you know what, I really don't have it to be the player that all pro or pro bowl level anymore. What moment did it hit you? Yeah, I've been dealing with it a knee since my third year in the league, but it is, it's been with me from, for my entire career. So man, just I'll speak on this year alone. I didn't see a practice field like at all.

And not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just wanted me to rest. It's like, I literally couldn't walk. You know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know, under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was only able to play under, under, under the pain meds. I couldn't put any pressure on my knee. So it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself, man. We, it comes at a time.

Yeah, 33 and you now you get to be 40 and all of a sudden you're like, man, what my liver shutting down, my kidneys and all the other things from taking those pain medicine. Because I've seen Lyman have to take Vicodin just to practice. I get the game. I get the game. I really do. pain medicine because I've seen linemen have to take Vicodin just to practice. I get the game.

I get the game. I really do because you know, hey, that's once a week, but the practice? Oh hell no. Yeah, no, that's crazy. And that's what I was the norm for sure. I didn't want to fall in that cycle. Right. Right. Um, but the thing is, as Ocho was saying, it takes a space because to the lay person,

they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't really see what you know. And the thing is, is that when you, it's kind of hard to let go and not practice because as an offensive lineman sets for everything, you're going to jump set when you, hey, hey, lazy feet don't eat. And the thing is you got to practice that during the course of a week. It's hard for an offensive lineman to just go out there on a Sunday, jump set, quick set, a stab, whatever the case may be, and just to go and you go on against the best of the best.

You said it. You said it. It's the reps is, especially for all of us in line play, we're so based on technique and, uh, timing and all the hand placement and not, not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone, cause you know, we're, we're the only unit that never comes off the field. Outside of the quarterback, that's one person, but we're the only unit that never comes off the field. So that chemistry and timing, it just, it's really tough not getting those practice reps

and then preparing mentally for Max Crosby and Miles Garry. And that ain't cool. Like that's not okay. I'm not gonna keep doing that. Dealing with TJ Y. Listen, I'm not about to keep doing that, man. With no practice, like come on, man. Them boys got it.

Because like you said, you talk about your offense, Tyron, you talk about the teeth. Excuse me. You talk about your offensive linemen and like, OK, they get somebody else in there to practice it. But you and that left guard, y'all need to be cohesive. You need to like be on the same level and pass it off. Because if you're on different levels, got to go hit that crack. Right. And now everybody like, man, y'all hate Judge. But see, you might be a little slow.

He might've been a little fast. And now all of a sudden you give up a sack when y'all should have had that situation covered. I know I look and everybody doesn't do it the same. Cause I remember practicing with Gary Zimmerman, um, who's a, who's a two decade, all decade player in the eighties and the nineties. Uh, he went to the hall of fame, but he didn't like, he didn't like me to chip block. He didn't like, he was hitting people too hard.

He like Sharpie don't touch him. He say, if I, if I jump set him and you hit him, you're going to knock him inside and now I can't get him and everybody's going to think I got me. So don't touch it. Yeah, no, that's a real thing. Especially, especially if you have a big physical tight end like yourself. So like you hitting him too hard, he getting momentum. He getting like a jolt into the inside move. You know what? I got him. Just get out the way. Get open. Go get open.

J.O. now, I played with J.O. Jonathan Ogden, who's the first baller Hall of Famer. He like, hey, knock him out if you can. For me, it depends on who it is, man. Who over there? Exactly. But like you said, certain offensive linemen, they want some, I mean, hey, stick and stay, or some guys like don't touch it. But like you said, that practice, like for an offensive lineman and seeing, like I said,

I've worked with them for like four years, worked with J-O for two years, and to see what they go through, because they're working on their sets. They're kicking, am I gonna stab him? Am I gonna quick set him? Am I gonna jump set him? What am I gonna do? And now in the game, man, I wanna jump set, but that knee bother you.

Now I can't just, I can't do what I wanna do. The mind say do that. That body say, bro, don't you do that I want to do. The mind say do that. That body say bro, don't you do that. You will hurt. You can't do that. No, we can't do it no more. Hey, T, when it came to playing the left tackle position, I think about my approach to playing receiver when it came to DBs and studying each DB every week and understanding what

type of DB I'm going against. You got some that are quick, some that are fast, some that are physical, some that play off or whatever it may be. What was your approach when it came to playing defense, the ends each week? Was your approach different as far as from a technical standpoint? Did you change up things you did depending on who you were playing that week? Well, I've always said this, Ocho, that it's a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities between O-line, tackling D-end and receiver and corner.

Like that, that one-on-one matchup, it's a lot of dynamics there that, that's parallel to me. Um, the technique that goes into it, tendencies, like you say, is he pressing? Or if I, if I jab inside, what are you doing with his hand? Same thing. As I'm reading the defensive end, I'm looking at their alignment first, how wide is he getting? And then it get off, you know, how well is he timing the snap? Then I want to see his home runs. What's what's his go to move that he's consistently winning on?

What's he's winning on the most? I break that down. That's the one I want to take away. I want to take that one away. And then, all right, what's his second highest percentage move? The counting. I'm taking those top two away. Throughout my career, that was the goal, my objective of game planning. I want to take them top two winners away.

Now, if you beat me with a third, you a bad man, but you're gonna have to get that. But for me, I was taking those top two moves away. Yeah, and one of the things that I've always liked to ask players that once they're done playing, who gave them the most fits for me? You know, everybody asks me all the time, unless you played a very long time, you were going against them.

I've always had to deal with the number one DB. And everyone asks, you know, who gave you fits? And obviously, the one person I say every time that... Reeves locked him up. ...2009, he just... He said, yeah, he'll lock everybody up. But that... Reeves had to be super strong, Ocho.

He ain't asking about nobody else but you. You see how you did that? He told me be super strong He'd ask you about nobody We talk Hey, but who gets so you just want to give him a flowers but doing yeah Man I had some battles I had some of these guys I say too many times like I didn't want to had these robberies going on But you know, that's how the schedule go. I played Miles a ton. Miles was always one of those. He's one of those, you gotta, you make sure you eat breakfast.

Like he's one of those for sure. But the guy that gave me the most fits, and I've probably seen him the most, and he is still underrated in my eyes. Robert Quinn. Robert Quinn, man. Oh, that first double Quinn? He been in my eyes. Robert Quinn. Robert Quinn, man. Oh, that first double Quinn. He been in that edge.

He listen, Robert Quinn. He got he probably got the most sacks on me like. Out of everybody, he's the person that say I got two on T-Steel. Like he he probably that one person that can say that. Right. OK, OK. That do again. He yeah, he I don't even want to see him post career. I don't want to see him no more. I'm cool. We can't post-career. I don't want to see him no more. I'm cool.

We can't be friends, nothing. I don't want to run into Robert Coney. That's dope. Because it's really like a dance. Because like you said, they getting that wide nine. And now, hey, you like, OK, I know he going to come wide, but what if he drop and bull me? OK, now he going to hit me, and then he spin outside.

So I got all that going into, I gotta look at him, okay, what is he doing? Now I'm kicking. I can only kick so far, because the damn quarterback right there, hell. I keep kicking, I'm gonna be in his damn lap. So I can only get probably like two kicks, and then I got the set, and I gotta take, I gotta be, I don't want them to bend the edge on me

because these, like you said, miles can bend. But I also don't want them to wax on wax off and cross my face. All that, we try to process all that, man, that they lining up in this wide nine, and these athletes are only getting, they're only getting bigger, faster, stronger. So it's, man, it's tough it's, it's tough to deal with.

Like Micah, playing Micah Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas day. We in Miami, beautiful day. We smacked the Cowboys. That ain't part of the story. But seeing, seeing Micah Parsons for the first time in real life, it was different, bro. Like you are, you are way too big to be moving this fast. You can bend that way.

Or like, it just, the athlete, the evolution of the athlete is just, it's becoming something, something different, man. I'm cool. I'm cool. Y'all. And then also those guys, especially watching, you know, playing against Derek Thomas, but the guy that I had the most respect for, I only played against him for two years because I was only in Baltimore two years.

I've never seen a guy his size that quick. Who's that? Jibon Kirst. The freak. Man, the freak. The first time I played, the first time I played him. Man, I turned around and said, Hey, y'all better throw it.

He was gone. Look out, block. Dude, he took a step down better throw it. He was gone. Look out, Block. Dude, he took a step down this, because I had to step. So I stepped with it. Man, by the time I put my foot down, he was on my shoulder. That's a bad feeling. Well, he get to your shoulder, and you ain't extended. Hey, you might want to kiss me.

That's a bad feeling. Wow, hey, Uncle, Uncle saw the picture. I just saw Javon Curse in the airport leaving Philly. Day before yesterday. Oh, did you? Before he hurt that ankle, Ocho? Dude, I'm talking about you talking about somebody like, he's like 6'4", 250. I'm talking about all, I'm talking about five- gloves. I mean his hands were like a catcher mitt.

Did uh, did, did Kurtz get in the, did he get into the hall? Nah, nah, nah. He uh, he was, I mean, Tennessee, he was at Tennessee, his best years at Tennessee. He goes to uh, uh, Philly and then he has, he uh, messed up his ankle. Okay. And it messed up his ears. But, hey, back in the day, you know, dealing with DT, Bruce Smith was fast too. Bruce could be in for a guy. His size. Normally guys, 270, they can't be in like that.

Bruce be parallel to the ground. I don't make sense. That move that you see Derek, that you see, uh, uh, Vaughn Miller do where he dipped under and hit and come down on one hand and get back up. Bruce could do that at 270. That's the app. So, hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks. That's why you guys are the highest paying on the offensive line.

Because you guys got the toughest assignment because you're dealing with, like I said, basically it's like Jenjer Rogers and Fred Astaire, he's coming forward, but you got to mirror what he does moving backwards. Right. And the thing is, you got a target that's sitting right there. Whether it's, and basically everybody in the shotgun now, so you can only sit before he sits your ass in the quarterback's lap or he'll reach over the top and you agree. Listen, yo, we need some more money, man. Hold up, we need some more of that money.

We need it. ["Dreams of a New World"] All right, check this out. Saquon Barkley's coming off his best year of his career, which ended in him becoming a Super Bowl champion with the Eagles. And now he's gracing the cover of Man 26. Saquon was asked if he would retire at the top of his game or go into the wheels came

off. I'll probably be one of those guys that would be out of nowhere. I'll probably just wake up one day, whether it's the next year or two or four, and just be like, yeah, it's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like probably my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders. So probably similar to that.

Maybe one day, like out of nowhere, I'll probably just be balling and just like, yeah, it's a quiz. T. Damn, we just talked about that because your situation, you just like out of nowhere, like, yeah, yeah. It was a lot, a lot, a lot of sudden, uh, really the ones in the, in the, in their circle, they, they knew the situation and I was trying to push through. I was looking for options to continue, but it's just, it's over for sure.

Like I knew it not as sudden as like Barry Sanders or, or Calvin Johnson. Uh, Saquon is incredible. All of fame, talent for sure. It would be a, he, he canwon is incredible. All the fame talent for sure. It'd be a, he, he can't walk away all of a sudden. He, we, we need to, we need to see some more of that, man. That's a special talent. What a difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barry. They got tired of losing.

Yeah. All right. For sure. That he's in a situation where he's, I mean, you just went to the sewer roll now if you start to lose, but but Barry Barry got to the NMC championship game in 91 and never got that close again. So Barry got tired of losing back wasn't injured Yeah, I mean you talk about the guy had average 1,500 yards for 10 feet off for sure to go Yeah, Calvin the same thing Calvin like bro

Man, we ain't getting no closer. Yeah, and I'm going out here and I'm doing all this to my body. What am I really doing this for when I don't really have a realistic chance of getting to and winning a Super Bowl. So I think that's the difference. Saquon is in a different situation. Now, if he was at the Giants, yeah, he probably just goes like one day I'm out of here. But in the situation where he is with that offensive line,

without offense, with that defense, I don't think he just wants a woman. The money different too. Yeah. I mean, the money is obviously different and obviously he just got paid. They gave him a nice, nice, nice, nice. Nice. 20 million.

Nice pay raise. And take on for running back for that position. Obviously with a position not as being as valued as it is now but being somewhere now where they appreciate you for what you're doing And they showed you love I don't see say Kwan retiring until he has that that coming to come in the grass moment You know what? All right, I can't do it like I used to that's a felt that explosion. I see it the same way Oh, I think that would be the only time he actually called it quits when he realized is you know what I can't get I can't bend that corner like I used to I can't hit I can't hit that A but that B a C gap like I want that that's what it be it and that ain't probably 26 But here's the thing, Ocho.

Lane Johnson's still there. Maulatto's still there. Jurgensen's still there. Olaan Niles. Olaan Niles. Lannadickerson's still there. So, it's not like you see some of these guys, the offensive line get old

and they starting to move them out. That's the best offensive line in football. If they're not going, it's not like they're about to drop off a cliff in the next year too. Not at all. And they got them all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract. They just did my lot of contract. They just did Dickerson contract. Jurgensen is a rook that was on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere. You know, it's funny when you think about it

as good as Saquon is and as good as that offensive line is, even if Saquon was a loser step, good as Saquon is and as good as that offensive line is, even if Saquon was a loser step, let's say in maybe, maybe in three years, if that, with an offensive line like that, he will still be able to do what he needs to do because he doesn't know that much better up front. So he won't be able to go 80 yards with anybody, without anybody touching him. So now he might have to break a tackle two yards from the line of scrimmage as opposed to running through those holes that my old slow ass could probably get five yards. I ain't gonna hit my head on the goal post like him, but I might get five yards T.

I get about three or four yards on it. It's all four. I can get about three, four. Them legs hurt. I can imagine. I hadn't gotten hit on in two decades two decades. I shat it like ice. You know how you drop ice out of the club and hit the kitchen floor? You gotta remember, they not hitting like we was back then, that is different. Oh, they don't. I don't forget how to fall.

I don't forget how to tackle you. You see, you start losing, hey, you know how it is, T? When you go, like when you leave the season and you come back and you gotta go to training camp, you got to relearn those things. Those things don't tingle like they did. Like once you get going like training camp and now you go to the season. They don't tingle them. And now 20 years, man, I'll be getting, I run a Michelle across this zone. You running through the zone? Hey, they're going to get fined. They're're gonna get fined though. They might hit you with they're going to be fine.

They might get fined, but I won't be fine. That's the word. Yo, Ocho, you switched it up on me, man. You usually have on the Cartier shades. I got seven pair of Cartier shades over out going to be Ocho tonight. Hey, you know, let me see what you got. What you got? What do you need? You know, I mean, we in there. I'm Ocho right now.

Hey, listen, listen, I keep wearing the same ones over and over. I'm trying to say the rest of them, you know, for football season when I'm on TV, I got, I got, I got frames, right? I got a different color to match each suit. I got a different color. I got to see you off. I gotta see you do the information, right? Off of Twitter, he from Canada. Bruh, he got everything. Unbelievable. I need it.

I need it. Unbelievable. I'm gonna still put mine back on the week. I'm gonna switch up. Yeah, gonna put the veil on. We're gonna switch him up. Woo! Shadour says that when he's a vet,

he'll have Rookie organize his locker. Take a look at this video, guys. When I'm a vet he'll have rookie organize his locker take a look take a look at this video guys anything right here because it's respect. You feel me? I feel that. I am organ. So when you came in as a rookie, what did the best have you do to run? Well, this was pretty, pretty good to me, man. Jerry Evans, Ben Grubbs, Zach Strieb, those guys were pretty good to me. I just had to get them. Yeah.

OK, get them breakfast every Saturday. Food for the plane, snacks, toiletries. I had to bring that type of stuff to the facility, deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. Um, so trying to find a ride to Walmart cause the Uber didn't exist in 2013. So trying to find a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys and all of them to the facility, but they were, they were pretty, they were pretty smooth on me. Yeah, that's what it was.

I mean, they want breakfast sandwiches. They wanted doughnuts. They wanted chicken. They wanted Popeyes to come to the plane. I'm like, come on, guys. Y'all know, man. And back then, we drove to the airport, but we had our own hangar, so you drive up, go get on the walk up and get on the plane.

Man, you know bet I was driving so fast, driving breakfast man trying to get there. Bro, I'm on a rookie contract, man. I can't afford no $1,250, $100 fine, man, damn. Yeah, I remember them days. I remember them days. I received a group, I mean, obviously the vets, when I came in as a rookie in Cincinnati, man, it was,

it was love, you know, there, there was a certain amount of respect that I showed and there was a certain amount of respect that they showed as well. But, uh, you remember Darnay Scott? Yeah, I do. Darnay Scott, uh, Danny Farmer was there at the time, Ron Dugans, um, B-Dub was there. And, uh, it was, it was all love. It was, it was nothing to that magnitude.

Like some of the stories that I hear. Nah, we didn't have the hardest time with that. The receiving room is always that respect. Cause they don't connect to be trying to book. The receiver be trying to book. It's always a hard time with that. We've had a situation in Miami last year, not a big situation, but, uh, Tyree, Tyree Hill had bought one of the rookies, a Christmas gift and the rookie didn't like it really like, like, no, man, it's cool.

But you know, you Tyree, I expect you to give me something better. You know, something bigger. You make it 30 am a year. You know what I'm saying? And Tyree was really hurt by that. Like he was really upset that the guy didn't. Hey, what did he get him? I'm trying to remember.

It was like a Gucci cologne set or something like that. Some type of designer cologne set. And this young boy, he 21 years old in Miami, man. He probably don't even have no cologne. He don't wear no cologne. He don't want that. He wanted Tyreek to bomb something with a little bit more splash to it.

Yeah, that was, receive a run. Plus, you'll sing it. You know what you gotta sing at training camp and not no damn fight song either. Cause ain't nobody go to your school but you. So you gotta sing something, whoever the latest is, now like probably not even be Kendrick Lamar, Drake,

or whomever the hot rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R&B was still big when I was coming up and guys singing, Teddy Pitch, the guys was singing Luther was singing Barry White. That Undefeated song. They did the thing. Did y'all have a rookie show? Oh for sure, for sure. Mike B. Downey, he was big on that. And Sean Payne was too back in New Orleans. We would do the song, most of the guys would do R&B, old school R&B.

I feel like the, and you guys probably have a different song, but I feel like that undefeated song when the rookie starts singing it, and that rookie show, the whole crowd gonna join in, it's Fantasia. When I see you, it's over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He start that, you get to the first 30,

he get through the first 30 seconds, he won. It's on. Cause everybody going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He start that, you get to the first 30, he get through the first 30 seconds. Yeah. He won. He's on. Cause everybody going, yeah. Hey, you know what? That song, that song right there is like when the swag surface song come on, it don't matter where you at or what you doing, everybody join it in.

Yeah. Don't grab somebody's shoulder. That's why. You gotta grab somebody. Everybody. That's it, hey. New Orleans, what is that? Here we come to get you. Here we come to get you.

That was New Orleans, brand New Orleans, back then. That Superdome used to rock, man. I miss them, I miss that place. I miss those fans. Hey, T, matter the fact that you went to Arkansas Pine Bluffs? Yes, sir. And matter of fact, when I was at Lanks, you know, by Lanks University, right?

Yeah. Yeah, we have, when I was at Lanks, we played Arkansas Pine Bluffs. They came on, they came on down, it was a coil. So still water, whichever what it is. I remember, um, it was back in 1990, 1997. We played Langston my freshman year and Langston beat us, bro. Really?

It was bad. It was bad. I know y'all took the bus because we took the bus everywhere. It didn't matter if it was three hours or if it was 12 hours. You on that bus. I was on that bus.

We was on that bus. Pair it up. It was a good day. And, well, see, the way we did it is like, the starting offense and the starting defense on one bus, and then the backups on another bus. Yeah, y'all didn't even ride together? We did offense and defense, but,

we did offense, bus, and defense, but. No, hell nah. Start us on one bus, and the backups on another bus, what the hell you mean, all right together? If you ride the bench, you ride this bus, huh? Yeah, you right, nah. Start is on one bus, and the back comes on another, but what the hell you mean? All right, together. You ride this bus, huh? Yeah, you're right, exactly.

I'm talking about segregation. Oh yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better, man? They can't sit and talk to none of y'all. Cause we back there playing cards, you know, space, we playing cards, we, you know, we own one at the back of the bus, you know what I'm saying? We act, as a matter of fact, we wanted own one at the back of the bus. You know what I'm saying?

As a matter of fact, we wanted to go to the back of the bus with y'all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing special because all of us was black. We had one, our kicker was white. It wasn't no thing, and I'm sure it's the same thing with you guys.

Did y'all have a white kicker or a punter? Both, white kicker and punter. That's it. Oh yeah, and a linebacker. We had a linebacker too. He was a bad man. But that's what, you know, but you, you missed that. I missed, you know, taking those, you know, going to Tuskegee, uh, going to, uh,

where'd y'all? Burlington, North Carolina. Just cause you, you know, you, you taking the bus. I mean, it ain't no, you know, plane. It doesn't matter if it was, like I said, if it was a hour to Georgia, Southern and Statesboro, or you go into Tuskegee or you go into North Carolina. It didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina didn't matter.

You on that bus. We would take, do we take that 10 hour bus ride to Houston for um, play review, Texas Southern, we take the 10 hour bus ride to Alabama and them, Alabama state. Uh, my first flight in my life was we got paid to come play UTEP. Texas Southern, we take the 10 hour bus ride to Alabama and then Alabama State. My first flight in my life was, we got paid to come play UTEP. So we flew down to UTEP, they paid us to be honest. Yeah, that was my first time, I'm trying to say, what if, oh, first time on a flight,

I think I went to Black College All-American, I think I went to black college, all American. I think I went to Pittsburgh. I think maybe I flew to see my brother play. Uh, but other now, but now you wouldn't take it. You wouldn't, but you missed that. Cause guess what? We can stop by a convenience store. They like, man, the guy was like, cause I was, I was, I was a

capitalist, these sort of bad, like man, sharp, man, I'm hungry, man. Have coach Davis to stop by the stop by the convenience store. I'm like, I like coach, man, I'm hungry. Can we stop by a convenience store? Coach David looked at me and said, all right, home, we're going to stop. But you responsible for it. Oh man. He already know what they're going to do.

They will clean the store out. Oh yeah. Y'all had that NIL money back then. Uh-huh. No, we have no NIL money. That's why he told me I was responsible for him, to make sure they put it in their pockets. So they put no NIL money. That's why he told me I'm responsible for him.

And I'm standing to the door, hey, mm-mm, mm-mm, take it out. Man, I'll give you a seat in the bed, man. Man, Ocho, how that gonna look? He ain't stop everybody, Ocho. He ain't, yeah, you ain't see everything. But I tell you, let me tell you what I wouldn't do, cause I was one of the few guys that had a vehicle, and people like, man, to this day, they're like,

man, Shaw wouldn't give nobody a ride. Bro, I know who had stuff would follow him out the store. I know who a bag of potato chips, soda, honey buns, ish would follow you walk out the store behind you. So no, you're not getting in my car because everybody knew who I was and what I drove. Man, I just know they got in the car with Shannon, it was Shannon Sharp.

They ain't gonna say nothing to them. It was Shannon Sharp. Oh no. And if he had a little honey bun, he gonna slice a little Swiss roll or something. Zebra cake. He might have $3, but he gonna come out of there with $5 worth of stuff. So, no.

They got something for you. No. No, he didn't. No, oh, no. And the mall, never go into the mall with him. Absolutely not. T, what do you think about the locker room this season with Tua going through his third and fourth major concussions? How do I mean, look, you can do all you can to try to protect the guy, but at some point in time, he's got to protect himself.

He has to know when the journey is over. You can't at no situation should he be allowed, I don't know what he was thinking, that you're going to go ahead, that you're going to go ahead first on somebody, knowing your history. Yeah, he definitely, he has to be aware. There's no question about it. And he is aware, but even more, and now it has to be proven on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact to the team, to the franchise, to the city, without Tua Undercenter, it's a different team, It's a different look, but with him under under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win any game that he's starting quarterback.

So no, you're absolutely right. Except when it gets 30 degrees. Oh, here we go. Let's get it. Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Matt. No, but go ahead.

But with Tua, go ahead with Tua. No, he has to know that. He has to know how much of a value piece he is and whatever it needs to do, but just, just knowing the guy, knowing how much you love the game and the way that he prepares, man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year where stagnant offensively, we get a drop going and he's trying to extend on the third down and try to get another first down. It's just, he can't be the one to do it. You know what I mean? But it's just him being a competitor trying to trying to wield a team. Yeah, I think I talked I'm gonna

Talk about his last last year sometime when he when he went out. I just think he has to learn to fall a little better and Understand it. Yeah, but when went to especially I remember that first down we went ahead first. He still got he got up It was like when the moments we'd like ah went to, especially, I remember that first down, we went head first, he still got, he got up. It was like one of the moments where you'd be like, ah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hold your breath moment. You gotta know when the journey's over. Know when the journey's over, and then when he gets hit,

knowing how to fall correctly, you know, especially when you go back and you don't try to do your best, I know it's hard, but I was, it's something that I trained myself to do is when you get tackled, you're going backwards, try not to let your head hit the back, the back of the, the back of the ground as hard as it does. I mean, what I used to do is if I get hit hard and I know it's backwards,

or I'm going backwards, I would tighten my core and try to keep my head up right. The best I can, the best I can just so I don't get that boom that that initial shock which causes... Yeah. That's the one though the one that you falling back hit the head. That's the one that's yeah that's the one. If I'm getting hit, I do my best like I'm holding the ball but I do my best as if I'm as if I'm bear-hugging dude you know in a sense. Obviously not literally bear-hugging I'm just saying trying to keep my body and my upper body and torso as close to him as possible even on impact

Just so most of the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off What you are you feel like them guys on the sideline if they they jump out of bounds or are you trying to fall for? Two more yards, which he what you think about that? four, four, two more yards. What you, what you think about that? Hey, it all depends in his situation. He can't do it. Not even on four because he's too valuable. He gets a first down and he gets ding.

What have you done? Okay. You got the first down. Now your backup has to come in and finish out the game. I'm a whole different team. I give you a private example. Peyton Manning. Once Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterback.

Yeah. If you notice they don't let Patrick Mahone since he hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterbacks and make again. Yeah. If you notice, they don't let Patrick Mahone since he hurt his knee. They don't let Patrick Mahone do go straight into the line of scrimmage. You see, you have to protect the guy. That's the fact. That's the thing. He's going to have, they're not going to let him do. Obviously you wouldn't do no touch push with tour.

But second of all, bro, you got to slide. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay to slide. I'm not looking at the quarterback. Oh, he tough for what you're not used to taking those licks like that. And they looking to punish you because you don't have the protection of the pocket because once you leave that pocket, you're a runner, so I'm going to hit you like that.

Free game. Uh, I mean, you go from, you have Drew Brees for a number of years, and then you go from tour. What was it like? What was Brees like? Brees was a killer, man. He was an assassin. He prepared like, like a federal agent. He would be, he prepared, man. Like he's trying to build a case on everything that we played, man. You would, you hit a cliche, first one in, last one to leave. But that was genuinely him. That was truly him. I would see him on those off days, man. He's, he's preparing like none other. And you've seen it every week. And it was no matter the outcome of the game to this

was the special part about him. No, no matter how he played individually or if it was a one at lost, he put the same amount of time in, he gave every team the same amount of attention and respect. Uh, playing the Falcons twice a year, that second game, even though we just beat them about 15, two weeks ago, he's going to put those same amount of hours in and, and that's why that's why he was the greatest. Wow. Hey, T, did you understand before, did you understand the animosity and the hatred

that the Saints fans had for the Falcon fans? Did you know that? No, I didn't, honestly. I didn't. I didn't know that was such a thing, but I quickly adopted, quickly adopted, quickly. I hate them folks still. For real, listen, I think I found out maybe two or three years ago and here I go trying to have

a Kumbaya moment, trying to get fans to become one of the game, you know? And it didn't like man, F no, like F, no I'm talking about like for real, I'm thinking they F, no, I'm talking about like for real. I'm thinking they, you know, I'm thinking they playing around on Twitter. And then people say like, this is really, I really hate them people.

Like really. No, no. They do not mess with the same fans, do not mess with Falcon fans, and Falcon fans you best believe they don't F with no second thought. I hate them too. I didn't know that rival was that serious.

I had no idea. I didn't. I didn't either, Ocho. But like I said, I quickly adopted it. I still hate them too. I didn't know that rival was that serious. I had no idea. I didn't. I didn't either, Ocho. But like I said, I quickly adopted it. I still hate them to this day. Like I'm not rocking with the Falcons. Ever.

Hehehehehe. Laces on leather rank the NFL atmosphere from best to worst. What do you think the best atmosphere, NFL atmosphere is, what do you think the best one is? Honest, hey uncle, it gotta be between Kansas City and Seattle. Mm, Kansas City. Got to be Kansas City. Kansas City's number one.

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I was shocked, I was shocked to see the Saints. Look how many games they lost, they lost like six games last year at home. Yeah, no, Cowboys don't got, they don't really have a, unless they're winning, their fans will show up. And there's so many people in that stadium, you will hear it. I'm shocked to hear that New Orleans

was so low on that list. That Superdome is crazy. Yeah, it's Superdome crazy. Yeah, but y'all been struggling. Y'all been on hard. Y'all been some lean years. So this is last year's like best atmosphere. No, but I'm just saying, look, I give y'all credit now.

Y'all be making some noise, because I remember Katrina, when y'all played in San Antonio, I think it was in San Antonio, when they came back and Gleason blocked that point on that Monday night game against the Falcons. I mean, you could literally hear it through the television. I mean, it was a, I don't know. And Sean Payton and all the people said they'd never heard it that loud before or since that night.

Yeah, no, that was definitely a special moment. But during my tenure in New Orleans, we were always, it was us, Seattle, Denver City, as far as like the loudest crowd noise. The Saints was always near the top. And I'm not surprised that a little, I mean, look at this, a lot of these, see how well a Vikings, a dome, lions dome, Saints dome, Cowboys dome. It's something about when you can get a, you can get an outdoor arena and you get that kind of like the Chiefs have or like when I played the Broncos, man, Oh my God, that thing be rocking. They that's 76,000.

I'm talking about, they'd be going crazy. Po chargers right down here at the bottom. Hey, you know, listen, I, I've been in some great atmospheres. I played at every stadium that's on here. And I honestly know one number two should on here, and I honestly know one Number two should be the Bengals honestly What? No, listen to me T. Lee stay with me now. Oh never been in the jungle where you've never been in jungle on our prime time

game in Cincinnati You see what you got to see what you had you say I preface a prime time game It ain't gotta be no prime time game. It can be any game. It could be a preseason game. It can be a Note when you scrimmaging against yourself, right? It ain't gonna be ruckus. That is what we do. That's what we've been Has changed tremendously You hear me? I've been there. I was there.

I was there when the light was on. I give you credit, Ocho. It is. It has, from my earlier years to now, I feel like now is a lot better atmosphere. They wore they all white. It's rocking that Joe Burrell, the icy white. Thank you, y'all. It's not in the top 10.

Not in the top 10, though. What? Nah. Guess what? No, it's not. When they wear them icy in the top 10 though. What? Yeah, guess what? No, it's not. When they wear them icy whites, all you gonna do is see them skid marks, cause they gonna poop the bed. They already got that,

so all they gonna do is wet and poop the bed. I mean. G, ain't nothing going on, ain't nothing popping off. That's that Baltimore Raven coming out, Uncle. I know what that is. I know what that is. That's that hatred y'all was asking me about,

running five because they the Saint. Well, y'all don't know the hatred for the Steelers biggest saints. Baltimore, y'all was the Steelers. Yeah, the Steelers. No, we, and us, in Denver, it was the Raiders, then the Chiefs. All right, I got you. What was that for the Bengals? What was it for the Bengals?

It was the Steelers. I mean, during my time, it was the Ravens. Ravens and Steelers. It was bad. Y'all beef with Cleveland, cause y'all try to see who own Ohio. Listen, I mean he's at. Alright. Ain't nobody worried about y'all.

During my time, we used to beat up on the Ravens and the Steelers. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Well, maybe you did. I was long gone by the time y'all beat up. Ocho was trying to go get them shots on Ray. In the middle of the field. I say you, Ocho.

Put that shoulder on him. Put that thing on him, boy. Yeah, he put you down, but you gotta... I don't know, but see, the foul was way down there. Cardinals, the Bears, the Chargers. So what you think, Ocho? What'd they get right? What'd they get wrong? Who? I mean, no, this is about right though. I'm not sure who made this list, but it's about right.

You know, the funny thing about it is the fact that some of the dome teams are a little low, that's a testament to the fans in Seattle and Green Bay in Kansas City. And funny thing, the first thing I said before, soon as you mentioned, we've been doing a ranking of best stadiums, I said, I said, Kansas City and Seattle right away. Yeah. So goddamn loud tea. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't know if it's the way the stadium is built. I don't know what it is. It's like, though. You'd be on the field and can't hear nothing. Yeah, no for sure. That Seattle game, we played them on Ricky here in the playoffs. And oh, that was baseball.

The Bees played that. That wasn't that man. No. Oh, OK. That wasn't that wasn't a part of that. I would have tripped him. But no, it's second round of the playoffs and champagne. So we went up there. We kind of like battling for the number one seed middle of the season. We played on Monday night.

It's 28 to nothing immediately. First quarter, they smacked us. So when we go back in the playoffs, Sean Payton had all these custom earpieces made, dead silence. So all week we wore these earpieces and we non-verbally communicated every play, every snap count, and we got up there and we, we, we did it. It worked like a charm as far as that. We still lost, of course.

They went on to win the Superbowl. But it was that, Ochoa, to your point, it was really, it was so loud, it like hurt. So we had these custom earpieces that like astronauts wear. They used to have that with Kansas City. We did that with Kansas City. But the old Kingdome, before they built this stadium,

they used to have a dome in Seattle called the Kingdome. Didn't know that. Now it only owned about 60,000, Ocho. But boy, you talk about loud. It be in the Rock and uh. What? It's cause it was always raining in Seattle. It's always raining in Seattle.

Those people walking around sad all week and they go in the stadium and scream. That's all it is. It's all raining in Seattle. It's always raining in Seattle. Those people walking around sad all week and they go in a stadium and scream. That's all it is. It's all the rain. The old, the Astrodome was like that steel, oh, the House of Pain, they should call it the House of Pain. They did, well, they had warm moon,

they ran the running shoot and they defense, man. Boy, but the Bills, the Bills is like, the Bills Stadium, that's loud. running shoe and they defense. Man. Boy. But the Bills, the Bills is the Bills stadium. That's right. They got a, they got a nice football. I don't know what they call it now. I don't know what they call it. In Mark or whatever they call it.

Uh, high mark or something, but it used to be called a rich stadium. Yeah. They're going to be talking about, let's go Buffalo. I said, They got real football up there. Real football atmosphere. You know what's funny? They got a real football up there. Real football atmosphere.

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Real football atmosphere. Real football atmosphere. Real football atmosphere. Real football yeah, nah, they got real football up there. Real football atmosphere. You know what's funny too, T, when you think about it, listen, Buffalo fans deserve their flowers. Anytime it come to donating, you know, when other players, oh, they have something,

what, Buffalo fans come through like no other. No, that's a fact. That's a fact. That's a fact. They always show love, man. Yeah. They used to tragedy. They always lose. So they know how to handle losing well.

You know what I mean? Like they know how to get close, get to the door and get close shut on them. So they used to lose and they know how to handle it well. Yes. Well. Oh. Oh, so you good. Chiefs one Packers, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patriots, Cowboys. Saints too low. Saints too low.

So you think Saints should be in the top five? Real Saints, atmosphere, top, top three environment. Oh, whoa. Wait, hold on. If the saints top three environment in Cincinnati with damn show got to be in top. Even the same argument. No, it ain't even in the same.

Yeah. No different. Now the Vikings, I hadn't played at this new stadium, but the old Metro dome, you played no Metro dome. Right? He crazy. I hate them too. standard aggravated bad I played up their band with a head they had Johnny Randall they had Chris Dover rest his soul they had Keith Keaton Malar they had uh Al Noga and they had Henry Thomas Hank boy they

had a defense out of this world boy Boy, boy, boy, boy. And Floyd, their defense coordinator, I think it was Floyd Peters. Floyd Reese? Floyd? What was Floyd's last name? I think it was Reese. Boy, you talking about Cubs? Man, don't let them sack,

don't you let them sack that quarterback, Pete. They was doing that. Man, they just start blowing that horn. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. I think, I'm all mad. Don't you let them sack that quarterback tee. They was doing that skull. They just start blowing that horn. Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Oh.

Classic. I'm off, man. Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate it. Oh, yeah. All right, Jordan, because right now he just logged on. Fun fact, he one of the first athletes, the original music, man fan. Guys, he's been trying,

we've been trying to get him on for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago. He said, man, let me come on Nightcap. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, And guys, we've been trying to get him on for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago. He said, man, let me come on Nightcap. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, your favorite rapper's favorite rapper, Symbol. What it do, bro? What's up, punk?

What's up, O? Man, what they do, bro? Man, we living life. We blessed. We alive, man. I'm loving it, man. Happy to be here with y'all. Y'all know I'm a big fan of the show.

Shout out to my guy up there, man. I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I'm a Dolphins supporter. I'm a Dolphins supporter. I got a fan out of Miami, but shout out to you, man. Shout out to the whole crew. Yeah, sorry. Shout out to all you, you dope, man. So you're from the Bay, living in LA now.

So were you a Raiders fan? You a 49ers fan? I'm a Raider. You see the Niners to us, they like the pre-Madonnas of the Bay. You know, they like the, they like the pretty girl at school. Everybody want the Raiders. We got in that grit and growing up, my mom was in real estate. So one of her first real estate deals was Lance Johnstone when he came to the Raiders.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 51. I remember. He used to give us tickets to the game and my mom would always take came to the Raiders. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 51. I remember. Yeah. He used to give us tickets to the game and my mom would always take me to the game. And then one of my close friends, Taiwan Jones, he was drafted to the Raiders from our high school, Deer Valley. So I've always been a big Raider fan. Marshawn Lynch, Charles Woodson, you know, always been a big Raider fan, man.

All right. We will get you out of here. CJ Gardner Johnson goes off on DC Vic Fangio on IG. I was a test dummy for them. So now they can be like my scheme worked or did my skillset make it work? I had zero issues. People had issues with me. So yeah, let the salary cap be the excuse.

Vic Fangio, he said that CJ Gardner Johnson trade was a salary cap issue, a salary cap thing, and I'm fine with it. Just don't let the young guys know like y'all did. Hey, hold on, man. Basically, he said the situation was a Big Fangio, man. Basically, he said the situation was a big bad joke. The defensive coordinator, he said the read, they traded him because it was a

salary cap issue. Now they didn't save a whole lot of money, maybe a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but moving forward. Cause you got who you got coming up. Oh Joe, you got that big dog up front. Yeah. Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter. He's going to take some breaks.

Big break. And then you're going to have Brother Mitchell. He's going to be coming up. You're going to have Cooper DeJon. He's going to be coming up. Right. So they clean the house? So, you know.

But it happens, bro. You got a ring. You got an opportunity to come back. You got a ring. You got an opportunity to come back, you got to ring. And somebody wanted you. When somebody trades for you, T, let me know what you think about this, T. When somebody trades for you,

they're telling you they want you. Okay, the other team didn't want me, but this new team traded for me. They gave up something to give me. So clearly they see the value in me, even if the whole team doesn't. CJ, CJ, he real passionate man. He's very vocal. That's his, that's his, his biggest attribute is passion. The way that he played the game is like, that's how he is off the field too though. He's very, very vocal, very passionate. So if it's the way that he's feeling,

you really can't convince him otherwise. So like, even though that the Houston Texans did want him, they wanted him, they traded for him, they gave away compensation for them to be a part of their team. CJ's still gonna let Philly know how he feel. That's just that's just how he is. That's how you are. Yeah, you know, I talk to CJ all the time, man. CJ and I are really close. Like T said, he's very passionate about, especially about the way the game, the game of football in general, the way it is and some of the things that, that he knows is going on.

I think he allows that passion and love for the game. If he gets that as business at the end of the day. Always has been, always will be. I suppose. It's tough though. It's tough when you devote so much, you know, like you said, think about it. You get out there and you can't walk until Wednesday and you are there hobbling and you do it everything you

can to give them everything you can and then they do something like this so I treasure yeah I definitely get it that was the my one day I saw three of you guys like what's it what is it like kind of being married to a situation you may have bought a home in this city or whatever it may be. You raised a family here. And because it's time to blow it up and we want to get younger players in, what's that like, that transition like having to know

you got to leave? You understand it. You understand it, Sam. Like I already knew at some point, I knew my time was coming. I didn't know when that day would be, but obviously I was able to squeeze out 10 years, normally 10 years to your at some point, I knew my time was coming. I didn't know when that day would be, but obviously I was able to squeeze out 10 years, normally 10 years of your cutoff point, no matter how good you are.

If you go down the list of some of the great receivers, there've been very few that stayed on one team for a very long time. The two that I could think of, maybe the longest might've been Jerry Rice and Larry Fitzgerald. No Jerry, Jerry at some point left, but Larry Fitzgerald is one of the few I could think of that stayed at one organization for a very long time. I knew my time was coming. So while I was there, wherever I was at, whatever cause I was dealt, I often played my hand, saying I had fun.

So when that time did come, you know, I was at peace with it because I understood the business side of it, which is why I chose to have fun instead because I I understood the politics and been inside. I came with it. You know, it's going to happen, but it doesn't make any easier. Right. So I was what you are, what you give to that organization, all those pain killing injections that I took all that, all, all that, those, those toward all shots that I took just to be able to go play. And now I have one down year. You're like, Oh yeah, seven consecutive probos Bowl first team all pros through a thousand yard all that

Man, it's tough. I had to tell you I ain't gonna tell you no light Yeah, that is I'm like bro. Damn. I thought I was gonna be one of them John Elway's I will give me 12 13 14 with one. Yeah. No, it's real. It's real. Simple for real. Just, and just to add to what, what, um, Ocho and Unk is saying, especially it's, it's today's media and Adam Scheffler and Ian Rappaport, them guys get the news before you do, you know what I mean? So that's the, that's the part that I've seen re be really impactful negatively to some players.

I had one of my teammates here in the Saints, he was a running back, and we, bro, we chilling in training camp, playing a game, and he just scrolling on Twitter, bro, he just got released by the Saints. He had no idea, like no idea, and it was real. He got released, they kept one of their rookie running backs that they had drafted, so onutter, he had no idea.

You know what I mean? That that's the part that hurt. The fact that the matter is, is what Ocho and I, we go around sometime. I like, bro, when Adam Shepard and these guys be talking, where do you think they get that from? They get that from the teams. They get that from the general manager. They get that from owners.

They get that from player personnel directors. They're getting that from NFL sources. Oh, yes they do. I mean, Adam Schaft are making, you know, lots of money. These were, these are insiders, they're making a lot of money and they built up great relationships because this is why they say anonymous. This is why they say sources,

because the moment they give up one source, they're done. I hope you've made a lot of money because if you give up one source, nobody will done. I hope you've made a lot of money because if you give up one source, nobody will ever go on record with you again. Nobody will ever tell you ish. That's why Adam Schefter got all those phones. That's why he's taking calls. He's live on air taking calls. Mm. Mm. That's crazy. Demand on dummy calls. Trust me.

That's crazy. That's why I got so much love for the king. You know, we see eye to eye when it come to King James. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so much love for the king because these organizations Got the ability to move you where they want you to be but you never kind of got the opportunity to pick where you want to go Yeah, let me ask you one question. I'm gonna get out you guys way Going just going to your discography man. What what's it like to have a song with the legendary DMX? man, honestly, bro, like I can't I Can't I can't tell you because the way that happened

I really wasn't involved on the process of that that was joiner Lucas's team and him and X had a relationship Right before X had passed. I believe that might've been the last verse Joyner told me that he might've laid before he passed. But they had a great relationship and they had laid a song. And one day Joyner hit me and he was like, yo, I got this joint me and X did, I want you to get on it.

And of course I was honored to be a part of it. It's X, I grew up trying to be like X from rapping like him to trying to act like him in Exit Wounds, you know? So it was just a blessing to be a part of it, honestly, man. I don't know. Yeah. Well T, I know you gotta get out of here, man.

I appreciate that, man. We appreciate your time. Appreciate you guys. Good looking out, and when you get some more time, hey, stop by with us again, man. We'd love to have you. Of course, man, appreciate you guys. Love.

See you after the season, boy. Hold on, what you got? Hey, tell us about the YouTube channel you're getting ready to launch. Oh yeah, really man, being a big fan of you guys showing everything you guys doing, I'm looking to get into my own. I wanna talk O-Line, I wanna talk O-Line, D-Line,

some details of the trenches. How Kobe and Peyton Mendenhead, the detail show, they really broke down what they're seeing and how they analyze the game. I want to be one of those people and kind of really take over that avenue for O-line D-line to where it's easily digestible so I can be an educator in that space so you know what technique is used. You know who that sack is on and how it happened. You know what I mean? Um, that's going to be a part of my YouTube show. So Toronto upstairs show coming soon, man.

I appreciate you guys. You already got a partner. We got some, we got some things in the work. Okay. You got some things going on. We got time off line. We got time off line. Yeah.

You got, you got, you got to talk to, uh, you know, big Willie Anson, huh? Yeah, for gotta talk to Big Willie Anson, huh? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Big Willie would be real good in that space, especially from an informative standpoint, playing the O-line position, man. He's really gonna be there for sure. He's really well-loved. You can see him. Yeah.

All right. Well, T-Wing, we really appreciate that. His YouTube show launched on June 17th. He's gonna break down the it's gonna be the final points of O-line and D-line play, what actually happened, the set, quick set, jump set, he watched the staff, he dropped down, he played for the bull, he bend, all of that stuff.

So all the good stuff, the intricate stuff that a lot of people don't talk about, you'll be able to get that on Teron's YouTube channel. So check it out, it's launching June 17th. T, appreciate your time, man. And when you get an opportunity, stop by with us, bro. Sure.

Shout out to T. Appreciate it, son. Yep. The Volume. This is an iHeart Podcast.