Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho debate the best NFL offenses entering the season + NFLPA is in shambles

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to JC Tretter resigning from the NFLPA, David Montgomery says this is Detroit Lion’s “Year of Reckoning” and more changes are happening to the NFLPA and much more! 04:15 CBS Sports’ NFL Triplets Rankings20:00 David Montgomery/Lions tired of being close to winning SB41:35 More changes coming to NFLPA58:55 Arkansas WR Monte Harrison turning 30 (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Fudd Around and Find Out, a production of iHeart Women's Sports in partnership with unanimous media starting August 7th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Shar Sharpton my partner and co-host mr. Miami vice himself Liberty City's own Bengals ring of fame artery pro bowler all pro that's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson and he's iced out tonight ladies and gentlemen please make sure you hit that subscribe button please make sure you hit the like button and guys go subscribe to the nightcap podcast feed

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thanks to Joe Burrow, Running Back Chase Browns, and Jamar Chase. The Philadelphia Eagles are number two, Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, AJ Brown, Baltimore Ravens are number three, Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers. Detroit Lions are number four, Jared Goff, Jamier Gibbs, Armand Ross St. Brown, and rounding out the top five is the Kansas City Chiefs, Patrick Mahomes, Isaiah Pacheco, and Rashid Rice. Oh, okay, we got 10.

Buffalo was number six, Josh Allen, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, Rams number seven, Matthew Stafford, Kyron Williams, Puka Nakua. the 49ers, thanks to Brock Purdy, Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle. Number nine, Baker Mayfield, Bucky Irving, Mike Evans. Rounding out the top 10, Dac Prescott, Javontae Williams, and C.D. Lamb. Ocho?

Yeah. Any objections? You like it? Yeah. I mean, listen, as much as I love my bangles, there's no reason we should be number one. There's no reason we should be number one. Number one should be the Philadelphia Eagles. Hey, listen, number one should be the Philadelphia Eagles. Listen, I love Chase Brown. Obviously, Joe does what Joe does.

Uno does what he does. It's not even close, especially. And obviously, not to be rude, not to be disrespectful, but where were the Ravens again? Ravens was three. I would put the Ravens in front of the Bengals as well. Hell, you can make a case. Detroit should go in front of the Bengals with the Gibbs. Who was the three for the Lions?

Jerry Goff, Jameer Gibbs, and Amon Rossum Brown. And listen, and that's interchangeable over there. You can go Gibbs or Montgomery, either way. Yeah, so I mean, if anything, to be fair, I'd put the Bengals maybe at four, maybe five. Ocho, this is why I agree with you and I'm saying, because I think the gap between the running backs is greater than the distance between Chase

and say, Amon Ross St. Brown, or Chase and AJ Brown, or Chase and Zay Flowers. That's why I think bingo should be, look, if there's not a gap, there's not that big of a gap if there is a gap between Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. No. Now, if you want to say, okay,

Jalen Hurst doesn't throw the ball, but that's not their offense. It's not their game. But Chase, Chase, Chase Brown with the running back position and you're talking about Derrick Henry, you're talking about Saquon Barkley, you're talking about Jameer Gibbs. Nah, man.

Nah, nah. Yeah, yeah, listen. Listen, as much as I love my bangles, I'm fair. I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be realistic. You gotta be. I'm gonna be fair and I'm gonna be realistic. But, um. Yes. Now, you talk about Khalil Shakir

and the receiving position. I think that's, come on now, Chase, that's like Chase. That's like Brown with Saquon, Derrick Henry, Jabir Gibbs, when you talk about Chase and Khalil Shakir. Yes, sir. Now we're onto something. McCaffrey is kind of hard to have 49 of any higher, but the simple fact of health of Christian McCaffrey.

Yeah, yep, absolutely. I like the books made it the book should have made it. Yeah. But they've been sensational Baker played extremely. Since he's been in Tampa, Baker Mayfield has played extremely well. Let's give credit where credit is due. I have no problem that he's found a home. He's found someone that believed in it and give him an opportunity. And he gets to be Baker Baker Mayfield to be Baker Mayfield. The Baker Mayfield that we saw at Oklahoma,

we get to see this guy now. Yeah. The Cowboys, I don't really have a problem. I don't have a... What was the running back before Javontae Williams got there? Well, your guess is good as mine. Yeah. Oh, Rico Dowdle.

Okay. Okay, look, okay, 10. Okay. Cowboys Dak. Uh but Dak's coming off an injury also. Javonte Williams was uh uh now he's another year removed from that knee injury. He didn't play very well as last year in Denver. Um we understand CD. Y CD is there. Yeah. Absolutely. And it's a we'll talk about that later on when the season get around. Yeah,

but yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. The Bengals is just a mere fact that Chase, the gap between Saquon, Derek Henry is a bigger gap between Jamar Chase, AJ Brown, Jamar Chase and J. Zay Flowers. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Jason J. Zay Flowers. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. That white shirt I keep using. And so with that being said, yeah. And I get it, Joe Burrow had a historic,

he led the league in passing touchdowns last year. He led the league in passing yards. And I understand Chase, Chase won the Triple Crown. Yes. But how many yards did Chase, Chase Brown have? Cause one guy had 2000. That's a good question. How many did he have?

And another guy had 1921. Right. And Jameer Gibbs, even after splitting carries, probably had 13 1400 yards. That's great. Imagine if you think the gap with the running back gap, right, there's a bigger gap between the running back, say, say, Kwan Barkley, Derek Henry, Jameer Gibbs, and Chase Brown. Yeah. And there is between Jamar Chase, Zay Flowers, AJ Brown and Amon Rasim Brown. That's just me.

Now, chat, I mean, y'all can have at it. Y'all can chop it up. Y'all can agree or disagree with Ocho and I said, but had I think the Eagles, I would put the Eagles one. I would put the Ravens two. Now three, now I'm really having to think about three and that's between Detroit and Cincinnati Ocho. That's just me.

You know, honestly, because Detroit, and this is no disrespect to Chase Brown, good running back, I'm putting Detroit at three simply because they had that double headed monster. You could just pick who you wanna go with, whatever your purpose may be. That goddamn Jameer Gibbs and Amon Ra and golf is special. Yes.

It's special. How many yards did Chase Brown have last year? 990, okay, he was 10 from a thousand. One guy had 2000, the other guy had 1921. Yeah. Nah. Yeah, look, the bill, I don't really have a problem with anybody else that's on this list because we're looking down, okay, we look down, who else? Could the Texans? Yeah.

CJ Stroud, Joe Mixon, Nico Collins. Nico Collins, that's a good one. Matter of fact- Okay, Jacksonville. Tank Bigsby, Brian Thomas Jr. Okay, you will lead Trevor Lawrence. Okay, take him off. They got a triplets, but it doesn't deserve to make the top 10. Right.

Okay, what about Washington? Ooh. Jane Daniels, Terry McClory. Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson. Yeah. They was 12. Yeah. They was 12.

That's that's that's fair. That's fair. The Dolphins you got a Chan you got reek you got to a yeah. No, no, not in front of the Cowboys. You don't think you don't think the commander in front of the crowd book in front of the Cowboys. You don't think you don't think the commander in front of the crowd in front of the Cowboys. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't think they should be a top five, but I'm just

saying, okay, okay, okay. Okay. I thought you were saying top five. I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no commanders nor the other team should be top five because although a change inspect no, no commanders can't because Brian Robinson, let me see. Would I take Brian Robinson over Chase Brown? Hell yeah.

But I'm not taking them over Saquon. I'm not taking over there. I'm not taking them over Giems. Hell no. Yeah. Hey, I'm not taking it there. And I'm not and I'm not taking, you know, I love Terry McClure, but I'm not taking them over Zay Flowers or AJ or I'm in raw. I'm not.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down, slow down. You got to take him over AJ Brown? Hold on, you say you're not taking Terry McLaurin over St. Brown? No, I don't think I'll take him over St. Brown. Because it's, you know what, Elcho, let me tell you why it's hard.

Wait a minute. Because one one play specifically outside the other is mainly inside. And so you look at Amon Ra, Amon Ra had what a hundred and probably fifteen catches? Yeah. Yeah. He's he's customarily always over a hundred catches. Right. Because he's the slot. So what was his numbers? Amon Ra. You look up Amon Ra, I'm gonna look up Terry McClure. That's interesting. I know T-Mac, I'm gonna call him T-Mac.

I'm gonna call him T-Mac. I can't call him Scary Terry right now. I ain't calling him Scary Terry until they pay him. Until they pay you what you want. Okay, Amon Ra was second in catches. Right. 15 yards, third in touchdowns. What he had in yards? About what? 1263. How many catches? Second in catches. 115. God! Yes. No, boy, that boy, hey, they be 115 passes?

No, that's 115 catches. He probably have 145 to 150 targets. Hey, man. I'm trying, I wish I was able to do the math. If you take my best season, whatever it might've been, and you did the numbers based on yards per catch, I think my highest my highest total season catches is like 97. If I had 115 catches I wonder what my numbers would look like.

It's only a handful of guys going to have that many catches with their deep breath. You got to look so you got to look at somebody like a moss. Yes. I mean are you looking at I mean I'm talking about a speed guy, a guy that's outside, is catching the balls like that. Man, they're gonna be 16, 1700 yards, I'll tell you. Cause if you think about it, you averaging 15 yards of catch, you averaging your best season,

when you had 1600 yards or high 15s, you was averaging 15 yards of catch. So just imagine 110, 115, 120, 30 catches. Imagine this during that time, me, TJ, Hoosh, Chris Henry, imagine if we had what they have implemented in everybody's game plan today, those little quick screens, those little bubble screens, those little quick passes where you know

they get it in your hands and let you do what you, man. Only a handful of teams run that. We started adopting that late, like my last year or two in Denver. Right. But prior to that, the only team that really did that was the Colts. Yeah. They were talking about the Rams. What about the Rams? That greatest show? The Rams, the Rams, the Rams kind of started it. Right. Without what Isaac with a I was a key.

They would do it. They would do it with Marshall Falk. They put Marshall Falk out and motion him and throw it to him. Holt called some of those Isaac Bruce. And then now everybody just, they'll just raise up and just throw the Falk. The guy, the guy will bubble. He'll be in the slot and he'll bubble back

and he'll pop it to him. But it's a different game now, Ocho. We had our time. We played how we played, because I can assure you. I heard Ozzy and Kellan and all the guys like, man, I'm sure if we threw the ball like y'all threw it today, I'm like, oh, you think we throw it? Hell, I don't know if y'all seen Denver's offense. Hit a whole lot of throwing going on. But look, Bengals one, Eagles two, Baltimore three, Detroit four, Kansas city five. I would go Eagles one, Baltimore two.

I agree with you. I would go Detroit three, Kansas city four, not Kansas city, Cincinnati four. Yeah, I was gonna say, I ain't put Pacheco Dem in front of all of Cincinnati. Hell no. Yeah. That's my toss up.

My toss up is do I put Detroit 3 in Cincinnati 4 or do I put Cincinnati 3 and leave Detroit at 4? But the Eagles and Baltimore should be 1-2. Well, hold on. 3, I'm doing Detroit at 3 and I'm putting my Bengals 4. And that's what I'm saying. That's what my toss up feels. Okay, okay, okay. Listen, that's not even a toss up for me. That's a no-brainer. Wow.

That's a no-brainer on my end. But me no-brainer is Eagles at one, Baltimore at two. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, Cowboys. But you know, we talked about Washington. We talked about hell. Well, no, they ain't got no quarterback and I think I know Atlanta Atlanta didn't really have the quarterback situation because I can't put that kind of stock

because I like Atlanta's running back and I like Drake London. Hey, B. John is nice. Drake. Yeah, I like I like Michael Pittman Jr. I like Jonathan Taylor, but I'm uncertain about their quarterback position. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. I'm not sure about Minnesota. I know Jetta. I know Jones, but who's the quarterback?

JJ McCarthy. JJ, JJ. I ain't seen him throw not one NFL pass. We just saw with... Why am I drawing a blank on the quarterback? Oh, you're talking about from Minnesota? Yeah, from last year. Why am I drawing a blank in Seattle now? Sam Darnall.

Sam Darnall. Listen, we saw Sam Darnall in New York. Yeah. Okay. We saw Sam Darnall. He was somewhere else before he went to Minnesota. He's with the Jets. He's with San Francisco. Bingo. We saw what he did with the Minnesota Vikings last year. Historic run, historic season for him individually. Right. So what you think JJ McCarthy gonna come in and do? But you gotta be like Sam Doherty. Jordan Addison is still there. Justin Jefferson is still there. He gonna be all right.

He can sling it, man. You ain't really gotta do much when you're a quarterback like that. Even if it's gonna be your first year playing, you're not a rookie, you're going into your second year, but what's around you is so great. All you have to do is just facilitate the ball and don't make any mistakes.

That's that's a but see, that's the thing you see how you have to play you talk about don't make any mistakes. Sam. Sam Darnall had a historic season. Yes. Now the thing is plus he has some season. He was seasoned. He understood this offense because it's a very similar offense to what they run in San Francisco, right. So it's gonna be interesting to see. But I understand why they didn't put him up there. Because I understand Jones, I understand

Jeddah. Yeah, but I'm not sure about the quarterback position. Right. I'm just not. So I mean, that's fair. Not the 49ers. The Chargers. What about the Chargers? Lad McConkeykey Justin Herbert. They got Nigel Harris, but they do have Nigel Harris now. That's right. It's right. I hope Quentin Johnson has a great year this season. Quentin Quentin Quentin Quentin Johnson. David Montgomery says Detroit Lions are tired of being close to winning the Super Bowls and he declared 2025 season year of reckoning.

After a franchise best 15 wins in the regular season in 2024, the top seeded Lions fell short of their Super Bowl goal with a loss at home against the commanders in the playoffs. Everybody's tired of being close. It's cool to be close at first, but you don't want to get comfortable being close all the time. That's not what you want to be known for, especially when you know you've got the guys, you've got the team, you want to finish it. So this year for us, the year of the reckoning and the year that we choose that we need to finish. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Do me a small favor. Let me make sure I'm hearing this correctly. Just bring that back to me.

Don't read the whole thing. Just give me bullet points. He said he's tired of it. He says everybody basically in the Detroit organization are tired of being close. It's cool to be close at first because when you've had such a dormant, you've been dormant as far as winning.

For a long time. Right. Long time. You don't want to get comfortable. So we don't want to be, hey, 15 wins, 14 wins. Oh, we were close. We wanted the vision. Right. He's saying that's not good enough. Okay. We got the guys, we got the makeup, we got the coaches. Definitely do. Get the job done. This year, 2025 will be the year of reckoning. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot.

Even with you losing Ben Johnson, losing Aaron Glenn, you still have the same players. The players are still there. Now I'm not sure, do we take scheme? And one thing about it, when it comes to scheme, when you have certain coaches and the scheme changes and the players are still the same, I think they can still execute the same way.

It's still the same players, regardless of what the scheme is. They can still play. That goddamn Brian Branch still plays for the Detroit Lions. Jerry Golf and Amon Ra and Montgomery and then Gibbs, they're all still there. LaPorta, they all still on that offense. So whoever's calling the plays shouldn't have any type of any backslide from an offensive standpoint. The defense should be good just as

it was last year. Aiden Hutchinson coming back from injury. Hopefully he'll come back with that motor and that intensity that he played with impression the quarterback. So I'm looking for them to do exactly what was said. Now, I'm not sure what's gonna happen. Once we get to the playoffs, that's a different ball game. Could you turn the goddamn ball over five times in the playoffs, you going home regardless? You are?

You going home regardless no matter what you say. I'm trying to think the team that have lost coordinators and still keep it going. The only team I can really think about is the Patriots. Because it didn't matter, you lost Charlie Weiss, we won. Still going. The only one you didn't win with was Bill O'Brien, but you did get to the Super Bowl, you lost.

Remember, what was that? They ended up losing to the Giants. That was my year. Yeah. That was my year, yeah. I think that's fine. But the key component to what you just said is the coordinator is changing.

But the one centerpiece that actually matters, the king on that chess table is 12. As long as 12 were there, it didn't matter who was calling the plays. It's based on- I ain't looking at Jerry Golf is 12 though. I'm sorry. Okay. You know what?

You right. But the resurgence in the winning and the winning that Detroit is having, Jerry Golf is responsible for that though. Jerry Golf is responsible for that, especially the team that they put around him. So he might not be 12, but he's good enough to get it done. Yeah. Check out Behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

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I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow. Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Uh, 94, the 49ers lost Mike Shanahan to us, Ray Rose to Eagles and they won the Super Bowl in 95. But they had Steve, they had Jerry,

they had Ricky Waters, they had Prime. You go back and look at that roster, you like, okay, I see why they won. Hey, listen, my grandma- Steve Young was the MVP. Yeah. Jerry with Jerry. Ricky Waters, we saw Ricky Waters have,

how many times you got to see Ricky Waters having the Super Bowl? People don't realize how good Ricky Waters was. He was nice, he was nice. Cause he was in our division in Seattle. And I think the thing that hurt him is that he uttered a phrase when he went to Philly, they were losing and they threw a ball across the middle and he didn't, he short armed it.

Right. And they asked him after the game, he didn't, he short armed it. Right. And they asked him after the game, he's like, for who? For what? And you know, they, you know, the voters kind of held that against him. Yeah. But he could play.

Oh yeah, listen. He could do it all. He could run the ball between the tacklers. He can get outside. He could do damn sure, could catch it. You know, I remember. Ricky Waters was, he was nice. Ricky, Ricky Waters reminds me of Eric Dickinson in a sense.

He ran upright. The way he run, the upright runs down. He ran upright, he, knees was real high. Yeah, he was, he was, he was sweet with it now. Ricky was sweet. Yeah, yeah, Ricky was the 49ers, Seattle. Seattle. And he ended up going to the Philly.

Yeah, I don't even, I don't even remember Ricky Walters in Philly. I remember Seattle in the 49ers though, clear as day. You remember Philly? Nah, uh-uh. Yeah. Not at all. Speaking of 49, you remember Roger Craig

since we talked about running back from Roger Craig? Yeah, Roger was, he from Nebraska, yeah. He was the first one that you saw with those high knees. High Nebraska, yeah. He was the first one that I mean, you saw with that, those high knees. High knees, yeah. Hey, very, very, what's the word? God. He was the first thousand thousand. Rush four thousand.

And Petting, Quilt four thousand. And then Marshall did it, I think in 99, and then C. Mack did it. What's C. Mack, in Carolina? Yeah, Christian McCaffrey, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Damn.

But you're right. Oh, you know, look, everybody says you have to take steps. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe, there were a few times that the first time you get to the playoffs and you go win it. Right. Normally you have to have some setbacks.

You have to get, you have to have scars. You have to get hardened. Right. And know what it takes that when the rubber needs to get, you have to have scars. You have to get hardened. Right. And know what it takes that when the rubber needs to meet the road, you don't bubble up. Yeah. So they're saying, hold on, this is our time. Right.

You theoretically should have won it the year before. You had them. You had the 49ers on the road. Yeah. On the road. That was the one, Ocho. Yeah. That you let slip away. Those are the ones that hurt.

You know what? Because there ain't no guarantee. People are like, oh yeah, they'll be back next row. No, ain't no guarantee. It's not, you don't get to start. You don't get to pick up where you left off. You gotta start all over. All over.

You gotta start all over. You know. You got to start all over. You know what I do like about the Lions though? Where I think they were always being contention. I think they're always being contention every year simply because of the coach. Simply because of Dan Campbell. That's one thing, or it is one thing to have the players that have the positions and the skill sets.

You got your quarterback in place. Dan Campbell, his willingness, not being scared, willing to drop his cojones, willing to go forward in certain situations where other coaches wouldn't. Dan Campbell saying, you know what, F analytics, F stats, F all that, I'm going to play game winning football and go for it because I believe in my guys offensively, I believe in defensively. I really, really like those dudes in Detroit, man, they run through a wall for Dan Campbell, man.

Yep. Yep. But it's tough. I remember, and we went to the AFC Championship game in 91. Lost 10-7 to Buffalo. Man, we got off to a great start the next year, Ocho. I mean, I think at one point in time, lost to the one. Yeah. Lost ten seven to Buffalo. Um man, we got up to a great start the next year. I

mean, I think at one point in time, we might have been seventy-one. Ooh. That was a ball. Man, we lost seven straight games. John got hurt. We lost seven straight games. Hey, who is the backup? Man, we were splitting quarterbacks. Uh uh uh Tommy Maddox and Sean Moore. Sean Moore. Wait, Tommy Maddox was nice. Tommy played in Pittsburgh, right?

He wasn't nice when he was with us in Denver, though. I'm sorry. He wasn't nice when he was. Yeah, we missed that part. No, he became nice after he started having to sell insurance. OK, OK, OK. Yeah. They say, you know, you become motivated, you know, a broken heart, an empty wallet, you know, and an empty stomach is tremendous motivation. I got you, I got you.

When you're in the NFL, and all of a sudden, two years later, you're not in the NFL. Ooh. And you're selling insurance, be it car, or homeowners, or life. Life. Man, if I get another opportunity, Ocho, I'm not going to squander this one.

Oh, no. And he made the most of it. He ended up getting hurt. And then Ben came in and the rest is as they say, history. History, yeah. But I think if I'm not mistaken, he did win Comeback Player of the Year. And then I don't know, well, Coach Reeves got this from Coach Landry. Coach Landry used to rotate quarterbacks, Roger Stalback and Craig Morton. So I've seen rotating running backs, rotate tight ends, rotate receivers, but how the hell you one quarterback come in, bring the player and run it, then he go back out and

they bring another quarterback in. I know quarterback gotta hate that. I think we were like when John got think it's I think I think we won. I think we were like when John got hurt. Oh, I think we were like 71, 72 and lost seven straight that when he got back and lost seven straight. Yup.

Hey, boy. That quarterback position is is is is something special to everything. It's something special and then Dan ends up getting fired. Wade comes in, we make the playoffs in 93. Yeah. We miss in 94. Wade gets fired, Dan comes in.

I think we go eight and eight. And then next year we go 13 and three. We lose the divisional round to Jacksonville. Right. We win the next two years. That's still the most painful loss of all the losses. And hey, I've taken my share of L's but that's the most painful loss that I've that I've had in a I still II.

Well, I know how we lost it. How'd you lose? I easy. Easy. I mean they were Ocho. They had just been a team. They had just been a franchise. They had just become a franchise in 95. Yeah. Damn. 95. Yeah. And here they like and they they roll up in there and it's all on me. I I played terrible that day. Yeah. Drop the conversion. Drop the third down. Damn. I was some slow man. That's on me. That's on me. That's on me. Man. Oh, you know how you're oh, you know, I had this shallow cross. Oh, I had a bit of boo. Oh, on me, Ocho. That's on me. Man, Ocho, you know how you roll, Ocho,

you know I had this shallow cross, Ocho, I had to be able to move, Ocho, you know I stood about the line. So you know, Ocho, you know how I do, I'm like, uh, and then I was like, I took off on it with, I was going, Ocho. And John threw it.

So in the process of me catching it like this, moving it, it hit my knee. It punched it out. It flew up. Lord have mercy. Good, I fit hit the cone. I fit hit that cone on it. And be gone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Hey, that's one of the worst feelings, man. To drop a ball in the middle of the game and the whole crowd say, oh. Ocho, cause I had just came off, Ocho I had just came off one of the great seasons. 80 catches over a thousand yards, double digit touchdowns.

Mike sat me out the last game and said, look, I want you to get healthy. Right. I was like, man, I was feeling so good too. I just like, oh. I had called a touchdown earlier, Ocho. Right. So I was feeling so good too. I just like, oh. Had caught a touchdown earlier, Ocho. So I was feeling good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you know how it is, man. You drop a pass and then all of a sudden you getting your own damn pin. You're like, ugh. And once I dropped that one, man. But that one hurt because then we went on the street. We won like what? We won seven straight.

And then I went to Baltimore. We won four straight. And then we won the next game. We beat Miami the next year. But I just go to show you, oh, man, we well, I'm involved. I'm involved tomorrow in the first year. You know, we, you know, we know we had historically great defense in 2000.

It was all right. It was all right. You're looking at the show. Hey, they gave 165 points in 16 games. But them boy was. 165. And when you tack on the other four playoff games, they still didn't give up more than 190 points. In 20 games, they gave up less they still didn't give up more than 190 points.

In 20 games, they gave up less than 190 points. Yeah, man, that defense. You know we were cool, but Ocho, the next year, we make the playoffs, so we go down to Miami, we go down there early. Guys at the beach, they got jet skis. I'm like, and Brian, and Brian don't say nothing, don't you? Hold on. Is it a playoff game or regular? Yes.

Hold on, them boys down there might be on jet skis before a playoff game? Yes. before a playoff game? Yes. Now mind you, we ain't got no room check. I mean, Brian ain't really have nothing. Brian's like, I'ma treat you like men. I said, no, don't treat them like men.

We didn't treat them like, we didn't treat them like, cause we didn't make sure we locked the doors on them. Hey, but that's true I know curfew. Oh, Joe, we went to the football and they have curfew or room check. Yeah, I won the game now. Yeah, oh, Joe. I mean, Brian must have knew something I didn't know. Hey, see, there's no way in hell Mike Shanahan.

We had we had. What was it? 11? Now we first got that we first got that because we got that on Sunday. We used to get that on a Sunday. Oh, Joe. Yeah. It was like one o'clock and then Monday night you got 12 and then Tuesday night because Tuesday night you going into practice starting Wednesday. I think it was 11. But yeah, yeah, it was it was it was totally two different type situations,

Denver and Baltimore. But hey, they did what they needed. We won the game so. Yeah, that's all that matter. But it just goes to show you. Like I knew with the Giants, that if we didn't turn the ball over, they couldn't move the ball.

Right. The only way they were gonna beat us, if they got a scoop and score or pick six. As far as like moving the ball, I'm talking about like handing it off or throwing it. Right. It ain't happening. Go back, pull up that stat line from that Super Bowl.

Ocho, I'm gonna show you the stat line of what they did when they had the ball. Mm-hmm. I mean, it was crazy. You won't ever see a stat, I don't know if you'll ever see a stat line like this in the Super Bowl. It was 2000, the Super Bowl, yeah, the Super Bowl 35.

It was that bad? Hey, that- I don't even think they had 200 yards of total offense? Hey, that- I don't think they had 200 yards of total offense. Hey, that defense man was something serious. Oh man, oh my goodness. I don't think people understand. There was no weakness. I mean, if there was a weakness,

y'all did one hell of a job hiding it. Yeah. Well, the thing was is that you couldn't run. So they made you one dimensional very early. You got the thing. And because they didn't have the blitz, so they didn't have the blitz, so they didn't have to sacrifice the back end.

Right. So now you got McCrary, you took Rob Burnett and kicked him down inside. You put Puitable Ware on one side, you put Mike McCrary on the other side, and then you rotated Keith Washington. You had Jelly Roll. I mean, we had a...

You had Jelly Roll, you had, I mean, we had, hey. Boy, them y'all were loaded, man. Hold on, hold on, she's... No, I need to like, the play-by-play. Who was the DBs there? Who was on, Dwayne Starves? Oh, we had Chris McAllister and Dwayne Starves. Dwayne Starves, okay. And then Bailey was our slot.

Bailey was in it. Bailey and Corey Harris was our slot. Bailey was in it. Bailey and Corey Harris was our slot. He was in Nickel? Yeah. Boucher, what Boucher ass? What Boucher ass ass, man? I ain't seen Boucher in a minute. Ocho.

Yo. They had 178 yards of total offense with four picks. Jesus. Okay, Ocho, this is the Giants Drive. Point, point, okay. Five yards, point. One yard, point. 18 yards, point. Six yards, point. Two yards, point. One yards, point. Interception, point. Interception, interception, point, interception. Kick return touchdown, point, point. in a reception. In a reception. In a reception. In a reception.

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Three plays, three plays, five plays, three plays, three plays, two plays, nine plays, three plays, five plays, three plays, one play, three plays, three plays. No play three plays, one play, three plays, three plays, no play, three plays, seven plays. Listen, that 2000 Raven defense, man, them boys was something special, boy. I ain't even gonna lie. I'm not even gonna front.

Boy, they was something special. Oh Joe, I think they had, in the first 12 positions, they got two first downs. Yes. Hold on. Let me take that back, Coach. Who was the quarterback? Who was the quarterback?

They got one first down. Kerry Collins? Kerry Collins? Yeah. Okay. Hey, well, that's funny, that boy. They got one first down, my bad. I think they got one first down in the first 12, in the first one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. In the first 12 possessions, hold on, no. One, they might've got something by penalty. That's crazy. Cause if you think of Ocho, they only got to me. They wouldn't. It was tough sled. They got five yards, one yard, 18 yards, six yards, two yards, one yard, ten yards. They had nine plays, six yards, two yards, one yard, 10 yards.

They had nine plays, 50 yards. They had three plays, 43 yards. Then they have five plays, six yards, three plays, eight yards, one play, no yard, it was picked off. Then they had three plays, no yards, three plays minus four yards. Fumble, three plays, four yards, seven plays, 22 yards. But that don't even sound.

I don't, it don't even sound. Now the defense themselves didn't get scored on. Yeah. They ran a kickback that is going to defense that defense that post season gave up one touchdown in In four games and four games. Chad y'all not listening in four playoff games. That defense gave up one touchdown. That's unheard of.

They gave up three points to the Broncos. They gave up ten points to Tennessee three points to the Broncos. They gave up 10 points to Tennessee, three points to the Raiders. The defense gave up no points, zero. So in four playoff games, the defense actually gave up 16 points. You know, we'll never see a defense like that again. You'll never see that again. Never see a defense like that again.

No, not like that. Hey, you can't run the ball at all. No. Ocho, in 16 games, they didn't give up 1,000 yards rushing. So if you combine everybody that ran the football that year in 16 games, it didn't come up to 1,000 yards. That's crazy. No. That's crazy. No, that's crazy.

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podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, more changes are coming to the leadership of the NFL Players Association. Chief Strategist Officer JC Tretter has resigned from his post amid scrutiny over hiring former NFL PA executive director Lloyd Howe excuse me who resigned on July 18th? P-MAC PAC McAfee did miss mince words about the NFL PA leadership following strip club allegations The NFL PA has been led by people who could much rather be known than the heads of the NFLPA than actual work

and act like they are heads of the NFLPA. These dudes think they're celebrities. These dudes think they're powerful. These dudes hire all of their friends and overpay them with players' money. Then these dudes flex while using and abusing all the connections that the players and the league have worked their asses off

their entire lives for, and act like sanctimonious heroes through it all. Ocho, we kinda touched on this a little bit. We did. We did. Early. Yeah. This all happened.

Pablo Torre, is Pablo still working with ESPN? He has his own thing. And he, he's a lawyer. He's a Harvard grad, uh, very smart. I've never met the guy, but just watching him, listening to him talk. He's a very smart guy, very shrewd. And he went digging and he found some. That about a judge has said, yeah, they kind of, the owners and there was writing between Jeff Pash

and I think Roger Goodell, there was a memo saying, we gotta get these, we gotta get this guaranteed money down cause it's getting outrageous, blah, blah, blah. There was a smoking gun. Now the NFL do a better job, they've gone underground. With that being said, Lloyd Howard was in trouble. Now I don't know how you get a job at the NFLPA head when you work with a company that a private equity

firm that did your job is to go try to find investors to buy NFL teams. And if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, but I think like, if you're at the head of the NFL, if you're like a players association, so like you're the president, and that's what Jason Treder was, like after a year or two, you lead the game, you go, you done, you got nothing else to do with it. But somehow he got hired as a strategist.

So once all this stuff started coming out, it was just a matter of time everybody got, you know. Got blow it up. Yeah. Listen, you have no choice but to blow it up and you might as well bring it home where it belongs. Right here to me. They messed this thing up when they didn't hire Troy because Troy sat right next to, what's this guy's name?

Demarys? No, hell no. They should have never hired him. What's the, Eugene. Gene. Gene Upshaw. Gene, yeah. But see, it shifted because Gene and Paul Tagliabue had a great working relationship.

Yes, yes sir. It was a partnership then. Was, Paul stepped down. It's funny, he and I came in a year together, we left together because up until that point, Pete Rosell was the commissioner. And then Commissioner Tagliabue came in, and then I left and then Roger Goodell come in.

And now there's no longer a partnership. The partnership is between the owners and the networks. Those are the partnerships. And I don't think the owners wanted the partnership anymore. Right. They didn't. And the first chance they got, what did they do? They locked y'all ass out.

Yeah. Yeah. And they say, we want a bigger piece of the pie. Yeah. Back. Hey, but listen, this is what we got to do. I'm telling you, you need somebody that can play hardball with them. You need somebody that's gonna go in there

that's gonna be for the players. That's going to be for the players and gonna get what's right because as a former player, you know I'm gonna do us justice. You know I am. I'm gonna tell you like it is. I'm gonna say some of the things that people are thinking that they're not gonna say in public. Yeah, we want lifetime benefits. Huh? We want to get rid of the franchise tag. Even though you may see it as a way to buy yourself time, it also is a way that you,

it is disrespectful to players because you're basically saying we don't really value you. You don't want time. Come on now. First of all, Ocho, normally if somebody's on that franchise tag, somebody gets to the franchise tag, they've already played four or five years. So they've already bought you time. You should know. If you don't know what you have after four or five years, so you mean to tell me you need another year? Come on now. No. So what you're doing, you're basically betting, you're betting that something bad's gonna happen to me.

I'm gonna have a bad year, I'm gonna have an injury before I have to give you a long-term deal. That is exactly what they're always doing. That's what they betting on, that's what they betting on. That's what their franchise, they try to make it seem like it's a good thing, are we gonna pay this in top three, top five conditions. Well, what they told us, Ojo,

it was kinda like the bird exemption. Where you could sign your players, Well, what they told us, Ocho, it was kind of like the bird exemption. Where you could sign your players, you know what I'm saying? Because you wanted to keep a John Elway with the Broncos. You wanted to keep a Dan Marino with the Dolphins. You wanted to keep your top notch players, your Emmett Smith, your Bruce Smith. You wanted to keep those guys there. Right.

But they abused it. And now they're like, well, nah, we just, what we're going to do, we're going to slap you with a tag. Or they would threaten you with a tag. Right. And so the problem is, Ochoo, is that although, look, I know you're semi-serious and semi-joking, the problem that anybody has that's going to have when they come in

and take over the NFL PA is not like MLB It's not like basketball because when Marvin Miller who is the head of baseball? Yes, sir When they say we gonna shut it down, they shut it down When they when when when the NBA PA when they say we gonna shut it down, right? They shut it down I'm glad you said that I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. So, and the problem, and so look, everybody wasn't making, wasn't gonna make LeBron's money

or Steph Curry's money. To be able to hold out. But in order for you to get the money up. Right. You got to do. What they did to him, Ocho, they sold him a bill of goods. They say, hey man, y'all work hard and then here's a rookie that's never thrown a pass.

Remember Sam Bradford was the highest paid player in the NFL and he had never thrown a pass? Got that 20, yeah. No, he got 50. Oh, it was 50. He got 50 million. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, guaranteed. So he was the highest paid player and never played a down.

Down, yes sir. Well, let me tell you what the owners did. The owners said, we want to play players that have been established. We want to play the veteran players that money and make those guys that's coming into league make them earn it. And the players, yeah, yeah, we gonna get that money.

And guess what they do? Soon as you get to a certain day, they cut you. Now they got the rookies on a wage scale and you don't get to get to the back end to get the bag. You see how they did it on show? Oh yeah. Absolutely. You see how they did it? They got us. They got you. So, now, we got the rookies on camped here and on the back end of the vest thinking, man, I'm, hey, I'm gonna play blah, blah, blah. Nah. So, now, basically, you

gotta live here. Yeah. That's why that that's why that they listen. That's why that first three years is so important. Maximizes as much as you can in that first three years and what's guaranteed. What am I? What am I really getting outside of your sign of owners? What am I really touching them first three years? Cuz after that, after that, that first three years, unless unless you that unless you that boy man listen here man the water

gets really already plotting how can we get out from under this absolutely listen it's a business i think that i think that's one of the one of the things no players they want they tell no it's a business for them oh that's what i was trying to say. But the ownership has convinced the fans that if you don't take what they give you, you selfish. You selfish, yeah. And you're not about winning.

Bro, y'all ain't won in 100 years. Yeah, it's amazing. So now all of a sudden, because I won't take the peanuts that you're offering, now I don't care nothing about winning. See, and then you also- And the first thing they throw, because I've heard some people say, I've no talk to some agents and people.

The first name they throw, guess who they throw up? Guess who name they throw up, Ocho? Give you one guess. Tom Brady. Yeah, but you have to understand, Tom Brady was in a special situation. Everybody else at NFL is not married or dating someone that makes more money

than the actual player himself. She was making 33, 40 million a year. Of course I'd take less. Tom Brady took less money. Why you can't be like Tom Brady? Tom took less money in order to win. Well, I tell you what. And you know what I'll tell them?

And when it came right down to it, they did Tom Brady like they did everybody else. Come on, man. Come on, it's Sunday. Go ahead and preach. I'm not gonna lie to you. At the end of the day, as loyal as Tom Brady was, as long as he had played up under what he should have rightfully gotten, they still showed him the door.

So at the end of the day, no matter what I do. So you know what? I know at the end of the day, you're looking to get rid of me, but I'm going to tax your pockets. It's like, you say, hey, while I'm here, I'm not the GM. My job is to play. Now if you want me to help you construct your salary cap, that's going to cost you extra. But in the meantime, since that's not my job, my job is to tackle, my job is to catch, my job is to run, block, whatever the case may be on the football field. My job is not to help you manage the salary cap. That's your job. And you tell me all the time,

you the billionaire, you should be able to figure that out. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But it's funny, I don't think fans would be able to understand it from a player's perspective, because they will always side with their team and their loyalty. And the owner saying what they, and obviously the the media obviously is most of the time the media is going to be gravitate towards the owner side as well, making the players look like they are selfish in certain circumstances. It's unfortunate. But again, I mean, just hypothetically speaking, I'm just throwing it out there.

Just, I mean, in a way, I'm serious in a way, I'm actually joking. But I would love to be one to be in those rooms. In those rooms, because you're not going to pull the wool over my eyes. You're not going to pull the wool over my eyes. And I'm one of the ones, one of the few who are going to say the things that no one else will say. I think the thing is, look, you have prosperity for another four or five years. Whomever comes in, guys, please, please,

start saving your money. No more homes, tell the wife, no more extravagant purchases. We gotta put a war chest. So that for, because they're gonna lock us out. Oh yeah. Let me tell you why they're gonna lock us, because let me tell you what they're going to lock us out. Oh, yeah. Let me tell you why they're gonna lock the cuz let me tell you what they did last time. Oh, Joe. They locked us out. They locked y'all out. I was done. I was done. They locked you out.

Yeah. It was they got 10 more years. They had three years left with the with the tea broadcasting. They went right back to the broadcasting and say we got 10 years of labor piece, we wanna redo the deal. And they did it. Now I'm not telling you what somebody told you, I'm telling you what I know.

So what they gonna do, they gonna lock you out. They gonna lock you out. Now, let me tell you who wants a programming. And they're playing a premium because we see what Netflix play Jake Paul every time he gets on that network and we see what Amazon's doing. So don't be surprised in the next round,

you're watching it on Amazon. You're watching it on Netflix. I'm talking about the Sunday stuff because they got more money than NBC. They got more money than Fox. They got more money than CBS. Now I ain't telling you what somebody tell you, they got more money than ESPN. Oh, they coming. So let me tell you what they're gonna do. They're gonna lock you out

because he said when he took the job he said in 20 years they want to be doing 25 billion in revenue per year. I think they're at about 19-20. That's why you see they done added another game Ocho. Not only did they add, guess what? They added another playoff spot too. You see how they did that? Yeah, everybody's like, yeah! That money gotta come from somewhere now. Come on now. Gotta come from somewhere.

We added a playoff game. Guess what? That's what we did, Ocho. We added another game. That's 17, so we got an extra team with a playoff and we got an extra game. Now what does Kamish keep throwing out there? 18, 18, 18, 18.

Oh yeah, he gonna tease it. He gonna tease it every time, but what's the one thing everybody talk about? They keep throwing flags all over the place. Player safety. Player safety. Ocho, I ain't listening to nothing you say, because all I see is the ratings going up.

Every game, every year, the ratings keep going up. So fans keep talking about, oh, this is flag football. Y'all keep watching. I don't know if y'all noticed. Did you see how many people watched the Super Bowl last year? Did you see how many people watched the playoff games last year? So why am I listening to you? Yeah. Yeah.

You're not. They were always watching, no matter what anybody says. Now you see why, Ocho, we don't get invited nowhere, Ocho. They can't- but I gotta tell the people the truth. Yeah, I mean, listen, listen. I've always been the villain. I've always been the bad one. I've always been the one not to follow the rules.

So I'm used to it. Chat, now y'all know why I've never been invited to a rookie symposium and oh, chill out. We don't get the perks of being able to go certain places and do certain things. But it's all good. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you what I know. Because I've talked to people that was in that room that was negotiating. Yeah. Yeah.

So if whoever the next head of the players association, please tell these guys to start saving their money. I'm a teller. I'm a star. We got to put a war chest together guys. In order for us to get, we want guaranteed money and we want lifetime health benefits. We wanna do away with that franchise tag the only way. Cause they know how much money you got. They know.

Everything that happens in Dallas, there's nothing that Jerry Jones doesn't know about. Mm-hmm. There's nothing that happens in Dallas, there's nothing that Jerry Jones doesn't know about. There's nothing that happens in Miami that Stephen Ross doesn't know about. There's nothing in an NFL town that those owners doesn't know about. Yeah. It's so funny. Literally know everything. Literally know everything. I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I'm not sure what service I don't know what service the NFL uses. I'm not sure what service

the owners use but being able to tell me what I did. I know being able to tell me I'm riding four wheelers in the off season with my homeboys down 12th Avenue, how do you know that you all the way in Cincinnati? How you know that? How you call my grandma and tell my grandma, hey, tell Chad to stay off in four wheelers during the off season, please. Tell him to stop riding up and down.

Wait a minute, huh? Man, I'm a witness to it. They know everything. They know. Why you not in the bed asleep? Hey, what's up? What's up? I don't know which one that is.

That's Teddy Bear. Hey Teddy Bear, you got to bring both them boys on and you got to bring both them on. And I was like, man, and the thing is, like I said, they know. They know how much you pay and how much your home loan is. They know how many kids you got, how many go into private school. If you got a divorce, they know what you paid. Yeah. Hey, hey, speaking of, I don't know, speaking of divorce, are we talking about the Coldplay concert thing tonight? No. No.

Damn, because I'm trying to throw I'm trying to throw my head in. I'm trying to throw my name in. To be the CEO of there? What? Boy, it's an opening. What you talking about? I want to be the CEO or astronomer. Yeah, it's an opening. What you talking about? I like this. You're gonna really, you're gonna really love this. What Arkansas South World wide receiver, Monte Harrison is turning 30 years old this season. 30? Harrison played pro baseball for the past 10 years. Oh, the main pieces in

Christian Yellich trade to Milwaukee trade. The Arkansas wide receiver Monte Harrison will be turning the big three 0 on August 10th. Oh Joe. Yeah. He's only a sophomore. Hey listen that means he can conceivably be playing college football until he's 32. That would be the same age as Patrick Mahomes. Hey that's in a sense now that you said he played baseball first for ten years it's understandable the fact that he still has eligibility and he's trying to live out that dream. I mean I doubt he gets drafted to the NFL, but being able to go back and get your degree and finish off what you love or a second sport that you do love after already playing in the MLB.

I mean, it's a dope thing. I don't know how good he is as a receiver, but even being able to do it with them young bulls out there at 30, I'm sure he's not that much better than everybody else. Where it's like, oh my goodness, why is he here? But just the fact that he is 30 in college, I mean, it's kind of, I understand it. Because you played 10 years in the Major League Baseball. So listen, you have eligibility left. So why not? Oh Joe, I mean, if he go to the NFL, they they can't get no but a six months contract. Six months?

Yeah, his first and they give him a four, five year deal. Oh Joe, he'll be thirty-seven. Well, you know, you know what they'll do. They'll let him play one or two years and they they're they're fine excuse. They're fine excuse just to let them just to let them make history. Just to let them make history. I want to see if I want to see if he like really good so he can go to the NFL. They're like, hey, well, you're make history. Just let him make history. I want to see if he like really good so he can go to the NFL.

They like, hey, well you're graduating class. Am I graduating class graduating seven years, 10 years ago? Listen, if he- Let me go to the NFL. If he, no, I mean no disrespect to him in any way. But if he was like that, if he was like that, despite being 30 and you should have an

advantage over the young players that are in college right now. But I've seen no highlights, no nothing indicating that, you know, he's the next coming of Jamar Chase or Ryan Williams in Alabama or Jeremiah Smith in Ohio State. He's nothing like- You're being 30, Ocho. I'm just saying, 30 would be your prime in NFL. Ocho, he a sophomore in college. I understand. So his prime is a sophomore in college. Right, but I'm trying to give an example

of where his skill, his skill level. He's 30, but he's not as good as- If he was like that, he would be Kyle Murray. You see Kyle LaMurray? Yeah. Kyle LaMurray was the eighth pick in the draft. Hey, in between times, he say, you know what? I can make just as much money,

if not more money in the NFL, and it's quicker. Yeah. Hey. I mean, I mean. You know, you tip your cat, the guy would look. The guy had eligibility. Yeah. He tried baseball, that didn't work out hell. Whoa, whoa, what you mean it didn't work?

What we tell people, Ocho? You said he played 10 years. In the minors, Ocho. Oh, okay, oh, okay. Listen, it's very, very difficult to make it to the big leagues. Yes. Very difficult. You gotta be, you gotta be...

The hardest thing to do is to hit a baseball. But who you telling? Who you telling? Cause shoot, you know. Bro, you hit 300, you hit 300, they pay you five, 600 million. Let that sink in. Hey, that's-

You successful 30% of the time. Name a job you can be successful. That tells you how hard that job is. Yeah. Imagine if you completed 30% of your passes. You caught 30% of the balls they threw to you. Or you held onto the ball 30% of the time they handed it to you.

That's crazy. When I think about my slugging percentage when I was in high school, you know, I batted at 282 my senior year in high school. That's crazy. Hey, the fact that I passed up the opportunity to go to the Marlins at 97 after I graduated, that was dumb.

That was dumb. Damn. You played the right sport. Cause you didn't play baseball, you didn't play baseball as a kid. Yeah, I was a five-tooler, I played a Liberty City optimist. Coach Sam. Yeah, the tools was a hoe, a garden rake, a shovel. Hey, listen.

A bush axe. Listen, I'm not trying to talk trash, I'm not trying to be funny, but we hype up Shea Hill, Old Tonny. I'm not trying to be funny, but we we hype up Shea Hill Ohtani Unk. I was pitching. Listen, I was pitching in home runs at Liberty City Optimist. I was Shea Hill Ohtani before Shea Hill Ohtani. It just, it wasn't, there were no cameras back then. No, he was the first guy there really loud because if you go back and study some of those pictures and you watch him in college, they could actually hit. Oh yeah.

But he was the first one that was like, well look, I'm not gonna come to your team. And it's kind of like Travis Hunter. Yeah. Like bro, if y'all not gonna let me, I'm not going to your college, if you just gonna make me play one side of the ball. Yeah.

So go back and study some of those pictures and you will see they were actually 350, 400 hit does in college. Yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh Yeah, they were They were they were really good but man oh Joe to hit that baseball man You got to be doing that thing man. You got to be hit playing five six years old Yeah, cuz you got you can't be afraid of it you got to see hey that curve ball that slider that change

up hey any any of the balls that cut fast ball that four seam two seam i don't know i don't know if you went in the batting cage forget it batting cage you've been in the batting cage and had that ball come at you and you got to sit there you got to sit there in that you got to sit there in the box and the players they the players, they so used to it, they just be nice and cool. Know how to time it up. 95 miles an hour. What, man, what the?

The average human, the average human, you put them in the batter's box, and as soon as the ball fly by, uh-uh. I can't do it. You swing, that ball already in the catcher's bin. Oh, they go. I can't you swing you swing that ball already to catch. That's what happened on Joe. When you swing the ball to the catcher. Yeah, it's so funny on TV.

The players make it look so easy and that's they do. That's any sport the highest level. Those that do it. I don't think they get enough respect from those that are watching from at home, that talk trash about them on the couch, all you struck out again, not understanding, you know how difficult it is to do what they do at that level.

I mean. Yeah. Like a boxer. Yeah. You watch, you watch Florida, you watch some of these defensive fighters. They, hey, hey, they know, they'll throw a punch and they already know this was coming back.

Yeah. Pop, pop. They already know. Hey, that goddamn clinic, that goddamn clinic, Shakur Stevenson just put on the other night where everybody always talk trash about his fights. You always running, you always running. He comes in and does the complete opposite of what everybody says he did and put on a defensive clinic. Hell, his defense was his offense the entire fight.

It was beautiful. Hey, you saw our guy, Max Holloway last night? I saw a little bit of it. Oh, you missed it, man. I'm asleep, man. I was, man, hey, my boy was a tired. I was messing with him, Scarface. Oh, Face was out there?

Yo, when the smoke. Man, letface. Oh, Face was out there? Y'all went to smoke? Man, let me tell you what, he hit me up. Y'all went to eight lounge to smoke? He had a show last night. Okay, okay, okay. So he hit me up this morning. He wanted to go get something to eat. Yeah.

He say, I say, so what you got? I say, what you got to taste for? Grist Cafe, please tell me you in. Man, I lying too long. I ain't waiting in no line. They be wanting you to stand outside and talk about wait till your order. I say, oh hell no.

But anyway, he called me. I said, what you got a taste for? He said, man, I got some seafood. I said, I'm allergic to shellfish. You know what this fool told me? What? Wait in the car. I said, man.

Hell no. I said, man, he got your dick. Hell nah, it's face funny, man. Man, I say face man, get off my phone, man. But I say, I see you, because I told him, I said, he wanted to do something later this afternoon. I said, well, I got nightcap. He said, well, I'll catch you next time. I said, well, I tell you what, when I come to Houston, show your boy Ronnie, he say, nah, I got nightcap. He said, well, I'll catch you next time. I said, well, I'll tell you what, when I come to Houston, show your boy Ronnie,

he say, nah, I ain't got nothing for you. I don't want you nowhere near Houston. Hey, man, me and Faze, we sat at the cigar bar, man, called the den. He told me. Remember, I did the show, man, hell, I did the show from inside the cigar bar. Yeah.

Man, we sat outside all day. All day. Hey, that was a good time. Yeah, this fool talking about, hey, what's, waiting in the car. Oh man. Hold on. Join iHeartRadio and Sarah Spain Uh, hold on. community united by passion. Podcasts that amplify the voices of women in sports. Thank you for

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