Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho & Joe debate who’s runs the NBA? & is LeBron done?

Episode Date: May 31, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad 'Ochocinco' are joined by NBA stars Joe Johnson and Jermaine O'Neal o break down the biggest NBA stories. Who runs the NBA, is LeBron James going to retire & much more!(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, who's the two seed? The one seed was the two seed was who? The Rockets? The Rockets go, you know, I can see the Rockets making rocket the rocket go you know I can see the Rockets making a play for KD I can see them making a play for Yanis who do you rather go get you Yanis or KD with that tea I already told you where Yanis going I don't know why we continue to bring this conversation where Yanis going don't say why we continue to bring this conversation. Oh, yeah, that's more don't say Miami

You going to man. That's what that's what I'll just say. He go to Miami a Rio. I don't see Oh Joe before you go Rio Can you explain the old Joe how everybody came play for Pat? Everybody came playing in my eye everybody can't play for Pat, but I can't see honest coming to Miami But I don't think he will. I think he stays in Milwaukee. Oh, you don't think he move? I think he stays.

Well, you know they're not gonna be able to get the help for it. They better get somebody. I don't know who, they're gonna figure out something. They have no draft picks. Hold on. And they ain't hurt. They ain't definitely hurt.

You think I'm gonna play till 26? Yeah, they better. Who they gonna, who they gonna? I don't know who they gonna get. Maybe, uh. Yeah, there's nobody that's gonna make a difference. There's still gonna be a first round exit. Oh yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

He ain't gonna win, know where he goes. That ain't gonna happen. If he can go to Miami, he like all the way in there. What if he go to, what about Golden State? Are you keeping Jimmy or you get rid of Jimmy? I think you're gonna have to get, you ain't know where you can keep him, Steph, and Jimmy, and Draymond.

Cause Draymond's due at extension because Draymond was all deep, all the first team all defense. So he's due for a match. And if you do that. Well a match is only 25, 30 million for him. It's not over the top. But if you do that, you get rid of Jimmy, that takes away all your, all your offense.

All what Golden State is known for. From the Slash brothers to the shoe room. There's no more shooting there. So now what are we scared of Golden State for? We just put everybody on Steph. Hey y'all gotta shoot twos while we still shooting a hundred threes again. Okay. Put everybody on Steph and Yon is putting his head

down and he gonna get 30, 13 and six a night. We gonna come down and shoot 63s. Who gonna win? Right? I like Steph. I mean, look, I'm trying to, could he go to Houston? I like Houston. I like you with Houston.

I like Houston too. I definitely like Houston. I like I like you with you. I do stint. Ooh, I definitely like you I think that'd be his best baby Houston or I Could say my about I'm not gonna disagree Thank you, thank you. He wrote I'll be a hell of a team Let me ask you a question. Are you selling him Brickle? I mean, what are you trading? Brickle? You trading South Beach? What the hell are you trading for him?

Because I don't want those pieces that's not Bam and that's not Tyler Hero. You need to tell me what the hell you're trading. He don't want a disgruntled superstar that can leave a free agency either. Alright, how many more years y'all this guy too? Hey, what'd you say they trade in the black? They're brickel. They're brickel. South, something.

Ead Rock. Ead Rock. Uh-uh, the Fountain. The Fountain. So, you gotta go on. So, for some part of my life, we gotta go with it. Yeah, because when you look at it real, the only two assets that somebody really want

is Bailman Tyler. Hey, that was funny. Okay, that was funny. But you don't want this rental superstar either. I see Y'all just being mad there. Oh, look, first of all, I got this man right for the next two years. He has a player option 27, 28.

So I got him for two years. I'm not giving him away. You know, it's sometimes real I'll be but I want to sell something but I'm not look I know the value of this car Man, I ain't man. You ain't even driving it. Don't worry about it. I'm driving right back in the garage I back it out So your punk ass can see it now if you not gonna give me what I want for I've been driving right back in the garage And you get your ass up by the way, so they go get back and they go

You know, I know help you already got rid of his brother, Dane hurt, there's Minilton go. No, he was hurt. So we were gonna pay him, now he healthy, we bring him back. All right, good luck with that. We'll see how long that lasts. We gonna bring it back.

We gonna bring it back. So, yeah, it's just for me, I'm looking at the places where he can go real that have the assets. Brooklyn has the assets. As far as draft picks, they don't have any young talent that I think Milwaukee would want.

OKC got the draft picks and they got the talent. But I don't think Sam Preston's going to want to mess his mess his course with either one of them Schuster have the talent and the draft picks the question is and that's for Yanis or Katie because you got Shungoong Who's an all-mba selection? He's an all-star I'm not getting I'm not letting Armin go. Jabari Smith, Jr. Yeah. OK. And you get draft picks, OK.

And then we are who else they got? So they're free to the boy. I shouldn't go. They got they got Smith. Oh, I'm not going to let Thompson go. Oh, yeah, you're Jane. Agree. Thank you. Yes, Jane. Ag going to let Thompson. You were Jaylin. Oh, yeah, you're Jaylin Green. Thank you. Yes, Jaylin Green.

Yes, yes, yes. Yes. For Katie or Yonis, yes, I would I would package. I can see that happening. And you still build around what you got. A nice little court. You still got Yonis and you still got Katie. I'm keeping I got to keep Van Fleet for the civil fight. I need I need a point guard. I go live. I'm Katie. I'm going, I gotta keep Van Fleet for the civil fight. I need a point guard.

Now you go live, I'm KD, I'm going like the OKC. I don't think Sam, first of all, I don't know the relationship with Sam and KD. What you hear is that Sam was more favorable towards Russ than KD, I don't know if there's any truth to that, but you know, you hear he left. And I'm not messing up my core. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not real.

I think Russ is back there just because of some free agency stuff. So I definitely see Russ being back at OKC for next year, especially he just signed that- I'm talking about KD. You talking about KD? No, I know I'm talking about KD, but I'm saying I definitely see Russ going back. When you brought up Russ and Sam Pressley, I definitely see him going back. But if I'm KD, I would look at the OKC situation.

If I'm Pressley, I don't think I would take it. If I'm KD, I'm like, yeah, I'll just go there and be spot up shooting Leshade. But if that's the case, go back to Golden State. They don't have it though. They don't have enough. You don't think he and Steph? Who are you gonna get rid of, Jimmy? Yeah, I would get rid of Jimmy for KD.

I'm running it back with Jimmy, just cause Jimmy brings a lot all around to the game and it makes it easier for Steph in that aspect. KD, you're gonna have to create more shots for KD. With his boot. He don't need that many. But he don't need some. Who gonna be gonna have to create more shots for KD. With his boot. You don't need that many. But he don't need some. Who gonna be the person to create a shot for him?

Or you gonna have KD going one on one at 35, 36 years old? He good. Look, y'all gonna be, cause they still worried about Steph. Yeah, but they... And Draymond, hey, Draymond gonna be fine. They be good. I keep coming now, but I don't know if you can keep coming

because somebody's gonna want... Coming is gone. Coming ain't messing with Kurt no more. He ain't so far gone. He... Coming might be down here on South Beach tomorrow. Whatever. He already out, he already out.

He's a prankster. He's a marauder. He's a prankster, but he's out of it. He ain't thinking about going to the street. It was kind of like what we used to do real. Once we realized we weren't making the playoffs, man, last week or so, I was living in a hotel. You started cracking me up little by little. Ain't no reason to be playing last month with Riff. Hey, nah, we good. I live week to week in a hotel.

Riff could lock me in to an extra six months. Six, eight, one deal. No, I'm cool. So, I'm not saying that I'm not a big fan of Riff. I'm not before. You could lock me in to an extra six months. Six, eight, one deal. Nope, I'm cool. He, he, he. So if you had the handicap, where do you think Katie ends up?

Where do you think Yannis ends up? Katie, I think he goes to Houston. Giannis, I think Giannis stays on the East Coast. I think Giannis stays somewhere on Miami. Maybe in New York. Maybe the Knicks. Brooklyn would be tough just because they would have to rebuild everything around him. They don't really have the team to win.

Right, right. But they got the draft picks. They just don't have the players. Yeah, they don't have the players. I mean, he might as well stay in Milwaukee. He's thinking about Brooklyn. But I can see him going through the Knicks. He ended up over there.

Wow. What's you going to let go? You going to let Kat go? You going you gonna, so you gonna let, what you gonna let go? You gonna let Kat go? You gonna let OG go? I mean, what you letting go? To be honest, I'm letting OG go, McHale Bridges, Mitchell Robertson, who else?

Anybody except- You ain't got no draft picks cause you gave up four draft picks to get McHale Bridges. That's okay. So you ain't got no draft capital. That's okay. Or you got a player. That's okay. We'll give it to them four players, we'll be all right. Three of them four players, we'll get McHale Bridges. That's okay. So you ain't got no draft capital. That's okay. Or you got his players. That's okay.

Well, give it to them four players, we'll be all right. Three of them four players, we'll get Yonis, we'll be all right. Damn. You just gutted your depth. That's okay, we trying to win now. With Yonis, Yonis, Brunson and Cat, that's a hell of a big three. That's a big lineup behind Brunson.

Now you all you gotta do is find some shooters, some knockdown shooters. You go get a person like- What shooters. You go get a person like- What is? You go get a person like Cam Johnson maybe. Find some, find some way and we'll, find somebody that's a Duncan Robinson maybe. Somebody that's out there that can just help

spread the floor. That's all you need when you got those three guys. Cause your offense gonna go through them. Well, considering that a cat would like to be at the three point line, they don't have to worry about it. So yeah, he'll be there. I mean, because Yonis is going to need that space. Yonis is going to need that space to get down.

I'll put Yonis in the post and then let him work through the post edge. Are you afraid because you know what, Brunson has a very high usage. Yonis has a usage. Are you concerned that Yonis needs the ball? Brunson has a very high usage. Yannis has a usage. Are you concerned that Yannis needs the ball, Brunson needs the ball, both are most effective when they have the ball in their hands? No, I feel like they can work that out. They can figure that out because it's just them two.

There's nobody that really handling the ball. Cat don't need to handle the ball. He just need to catch it in his sweet spot. So now when Brunson take his break, you got Yannis handling the ball. When Yannis is taking his break, you got Brunson handling the ball. Now when it comes to the fourth quarter, first time, I got both of them. Giannis getting the rebound pushing it, Brunson goes spot up. Brunson get

the rebound, Giannis taking him down, he's in the paint. Now you got three or four people helping, Brunson pulling up for three. So it's ways to figure it out. It's just like when Brown and D. Wade played together. It's ways to figure out when you got two ball handlers and then just the two ball handlers. Real making sounds so simple, doesn't he, Ocho? Doesn't he, Ocho? It is simple. I tried, listen, I tried to explain. It ain't simple, Ocho.

It's not simple because you got two apps. It's all about buying it. Thank you. You want to buy it and you want to win. That's how it is. He just explained it to you. He just gave you a few examples of people that have done it in the past, you know?

But you didn't hear what he said. He says it's all about buying air. And it's a lot easier said, if I could do it, I could quit. I give you a prime example. Look at the players we're talking about. We're talking about Jaylen Brunson, we're talking about Giannis.

Two players that are going to buy air. Okay, I remember everybody saying, it don't matter what I do at Olympic team long as we bring the gold medal now We've had two guys that come out and say they was upset about what a play in time, right? The Biden and you just said by the end. It's completely different. This is the job Because there's only two players. It's only two people. It was only two players Because there's only two players. There's only two people. It was only two players. I mean, look who they had. One of them had a reason. Look at the $5 sign.

They had a reason just because the season he had just came off of. So I understand his complaint, but at the same time, he wasn't better than nobody playing in front of him. Hey, he said I was better than Holliday and Derrick White that was playing in front of him. But you don't bring what they brought to the game. We don't need you to score. I would've. We don't need you to score. We need you to go play defense. to the game. We don't need you to score. I would've. We don't need you to score.

We need you to go play defense. No, I'd play defense. I'd play defense. I would've. You would've. We don't need you to do that. Go ahead, go ahead and do that stuff. See, you telling me what I won't do,

I'm telling you, I'm trying to buy in. I'm gonna buy in. I'm buying in. They never coached you what you wouldn't do. All of them. What? All of them. Hey, it is, but it's a lot easier said than done.

We just seen a lot of guys on show. Oh man, I just want to win. No, you want to win and get your 30. You want to win and get your 8 for 150 and two touchdowns. That's the way you want to win. You want to win your way. Giannis has now more first team all NBA selections than Kevin Durant. Giannis has 7, KD has six.

What more does Giannis need to do to pass KD all time? I don't think it's possible. Really? I don't think it's possible. Just because I look at KD's skillset, and like, there's nobody gonna be a skills skill set as KD, where the ball handling man will shoot the ball, better get to the spots he's going to get to. I don't think there's going to be another Greek freak either, but you know, honestly, the offense of the

game is not polished enough like KD's for him to be better than KD. So you just look at it aesthetically? I'm just looking at that. When I look at somebody, I say who's better than somebody, I look at, I put them in a one-on-one matchup and see who would dominate in that one-on-one matchup to the game to five. And I think KD would get Giannis five-four, five-three, maybe. I just got him figured, just obviously better.

Wow. What happens if Giannis gets the ball first? Same thing. I think KD still figured out how to win. I think KD gets to stop before. Ha, one on one? Because Yonis is all downhill, now we're playing three or four dribbles. Exactly, so how KD stopped it? We're playing three or four dribbles downhill.

Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? We're playing different ways. Now you gotta tell me the rules. You gotta tell me the rules now. The NBA players play, we play one on one, three or four dribbles max. So in that type of setting,

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crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yonis has five first team all defensive for first team. KD has none. KD does have two finals MVP. Yonis has one. It's... Huh? No, no. does have two finals MVP. Yonis has one. It's, huh?

No, Yonis has two regular season MVPs. Katie has one. That's gonna be very interesting. That's gonna be very interesting. When their career- Yeah, he gonna have a hell of a career. Like, that's the thing, but it's still, you're not better than Katie. I think, you know what? I think a lot of that has to do with aesthetically because we like guys that could handle the ball

Shoe Flashy, I mean there's nothing like really y'all this game is really like old school So for like to say, you know, just trying to get down here pose. I mean, yeah, he's still I mean, you know just trying to get down here, post. I mean, he's still, I mean, he don't, 3.0 doesn't shoot that well. He ain't really got no mid range. His post is not great. He's basically getting downhill, laying the ball up,

you foul him, or he's spinning dunk the ball. That's the honest. It's still hard to stop because he's averaging 30, shoot 60% from the damn floor. So it's still hard to stop. It's just not as- It's still a freak, right? It's just not as pleasing to the eye is what we watch KD do.

And you compare two different players and two different skill sets altogether. And at that point, regardless of accolades and what they've accomplished on their resume, it depends on, it's all on preference at that point. Yeah, I see that. I see that I see that it's uh It's but whose impact who's impacted the game more

Oh shit, that's bad damn they're the same almost huh? Yeah, thanks That's a tough one right there Because let me ask you this if I, if I take KD out and put Yannis in there with Clay, Steph, and Draymars, do you still believe they win the NBA championships? Yeah, I, yeah, I, I still give it to him. I don't think about the score in that aspect, but yeah, I still give it to him because then that way you take, and your dog doesn't have to guard Brown by himself. Now you got two or three bodies that can guard Brown and that's going to be a little bit

different. So yeah, I still give it to him to go to the state. Now if I take KD and I put him on Milwaukee, the year they won, the year they won, they beat Phoenix. You think they still win the championship with KD and Giannis out? I mean, they better put guy past Brooklyn. So it's only there. I think so.

I definitely think so, KD. If he just step on that line line Milwaukee don't win that championship. That's that's gonna be when it's all said done. That's gonna be a very interesting conversation. That's gonna be a very very interesting conversation to have because they are so diametrically different. Uh, nothing about one's game reminds you of the other. One is, as you said, Rio is one of the most skilled players, one of the five most skilled players that we've probably ever seen with his size,

being seven foot tall, being able to handle the ball. He can shoot the three. He got the mid, he got the handsy. He can get to the rim. He can free throws. He's an 88, 89% free throw. So he's, he's as skilled because guys that side, they normally play center. They play back to the basket. We ain't see no guys.

And Derek can shoot the ball. Dirk was not putting it on the ball going between his leg, going between behind his back, doing what Katie's not here. He just wasn't doing it. I mean, Derek had that dirt dark pattern that that one leg step back and shoot it. It's gonna draw rain. But. It's still you. I don't know if you're ever going to see a guy at his size and skilled as Katie, his ability, because of his ability to shoot. Right, I agree with you on that one.

Shams is predicting that LeBron's next season in the NBA will be his last, which will be a poetic end to number 23. Year 23 for number 23. They have the All-Star weekend in Los Angeles. So to me, it's a very storybook if that's the way it goes. But that's a decision he's got to make. Rio, you just watched the man in year 22. Make second team all the NBA. If you'd have made first team, I don't think

anybody's mad if you put him in over Donovan Mitchell. Donovan got in. Bless it. He averaged 24, 8, and 8. He doesn't really have to do the heavy lifting anymore because of Luca. So he's, and AR is still there. So now you put him in the dunker spot, you let him play off the ball. He's still going to be in the 20 points. How long do you think LeBron wants to play?

How long is he going to play? I'm always saying he was gonna play till Bryce got in the lead. So when Bryce goes to Arizona next year. That'll be your 23. So in order for him to play with Bryce, he's gotta be 24. 24, so I'll give him 24 or 25.

Yeah, and if you get 24, you gotta buy him a 25. It's like, I ain't worried about nobody getting 25 years. And if he get the 25, you might as well get 30. Nobody can hold up, so. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You might as well keep going.

Because at 23, that'll be 41. 24, that'll be 42. 25, that'll be 43. That's the same age Tom Brady was when he retired. 20, you know. 25 years of doing profession. That's legit. That's a long, man, you a dark lord lawyer.

You get that many times. Or you're the damn military. Exactly. So it's not only to play that long, but to be dominant that long to play at that level, be consistent and be one of the best. The average 24 points a game in year 22. There are some guys that didn't average 24 points

for a career. There are some guys that didn't, I mean, never had a season in which they average 24. This guy's in year 22 doing that. When you look at it, look, been around the game, your dad coached the game, so you've been around basketball all your life. What do you think is the most impressive thing

that you see that Will LeBron is doing? Is it the year 22? Is it the ability to go out there and still give you average 24, to go out there and give you a game where he can give you 30 average, you know, for a week, give you 30 straight, go get you 40 30 average, you know, for a week, give you 30 straight, um, go get you 40. What is, what do you think is the most impressive thing at this juncture?

We look all the 21 times, first team, all NBA, 21 times all star. Well, so we get all the, but I'm talking about what you're witnessing now. What do you think the most impressive thing that you've seen? And you, you was waiting for four years. You watched him every single day, come in, get shots up, run, cold tub, massage, you saw it all real. What do you think the most impressive thing

that LeBron is doing currently? I always said that the way he took care of his body, the way he paid attention to his treatment and stay on schedule with that, that attested to his longevity and never really being hurt or having a major injury. So just the way his body is held up, like his skill set is gonna be his skill set.

He puts the work in, you see him putting the work in after games or after practices, he's always the last one shooting or someone getting up shots or working on different moves. So the way, what he puts into the game is when he gets out. And also what he puts into his body is when he's getting out of his body. So to me, it's just the longevity of, you know, being that consistent of no injuries,

no major injuries, bouncing back and still being healthy enough to do what you do every day. You was with him, LeBron got there. So you was there, you was with him 11, 12, 13, 14. Did you have, when you was there with him, did you have any idea that LeBron James would still be playing 12 years later? No lie, I did. Just because like, I tell people this all the time, Brown would really get treatment if he was in the club. Like he would literally have something on his knees or something on his back inside the club.

So it's like once somebody is doing that, like that's a real dedication to just be in the club with treatment. Ice stampede or whatever. You say, hold on, real, this guy got ice bags on his knees and got ice bags on his back? Like the stem machine where it's like shooting electrolyte or electricity in knees and stuff like that. Just hamstrings, like lower back. He always got something that's recovering, making his body recover. So that's the thing is like, once you see that, like that's a different type of dedication. Like I'm not, I had to take my hat off to that one.

Wow. Wow. All right, Rio, we're gonna get you out on this one. The Big Three Season Eight, tips off June 14th, live on CBS, Vice TV, and iHeartRadio. Your team, Miami 305, will face off against Nick Young and Dwight Howard's LA Riot for the first game of the season. Tickets are available now at thebigthree.com slash tickets. That's bigthree.com slash ticket.

Who's on your, hold on. You and Beasley you and Beasley me Beasley and Les Stevenson Reggie Evans and Sean Williams hey boy y'all don't need no extra body no extra legs or nothing we always use some extra bodies but you know I think we got it pretty much taken care of this year you know we hungry we got pretty much taken care of this year. You know, we hungry. We got something to prove. So, I don't know. Joe say, Joe say, the Detroit team, Joe and Pargo, they say, hey,

man, you know, I saw Joe, that's, he, he tailor made for the big three. Yeah, but he got to deal with the MVP. And that's what we got on our team. So, Who be easy? Easy. So that's what I'm saying.

Hey Mario, Hey y'all, y'all down here in Hey Mario, y'all down here at the crib man? Yeah, we down here right now. You know what I mean? We all practice, I'm coming. We be at UM sometimes, we was up there today. It just depends what time the trainer get there, but we usually be at UM. Oh shoot, I'm coming tomorrow. Well, I'm coming at down.

I'm having a chug coming. Well, I'm coming in town. I'm gonna have my church. Y'all don't need nobody. Hey Rio, man, thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it. We really, really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule. We know you busy. Got a lot going on, but to take time out

to help us break down this game and talk about all things NBA, we greatly appreciate it. When you're not too busy, start back by again, man. Appreciate it. Let me know. After the Lakers got bounced, JJ Reddick emphasized that the team needed to be in championship shape. While he didn't mention names, many took the comments of the clear message to

Luca where weeks later, Luca made a significant public appearance. Uh, Luca made his first significant public appearance by attending Real Madrid's basketball game and posted these on IG. You think that's AI? AI? There's no way. Hell, if he lost that rate that fast, then why the hell he ain't doing it during the season?

Hey, that's what I'm, hey, I don't care what it looks like right now. I'm talking about when he come back to play. That wouldn't look like this when he come back to play. Hey, hold on. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, back to play Hey, hold on. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, okay, J. O. You think he took that Olympic? Olympic? Huh? Nah, nah, he ain't on the Olympic. I don't think you can take that as an NBA player. I have a question. Okay, you can't take that as an NBA player, right?

Uh-huh. How many weeks they been out of season? What? Three? Two? If that? A month. It ain't been that damn long for them to look like that. It ain't been that, three, two, if that? A month. It ain't been that damn long for him to look like. It ain't been that long for you to lose all that weight like that. I'm telling you, he probably took that Olympic stuff.

I'm telling you. Man, you know what's crazy? Like I've watched him, like when you watch him play with his national team, he always looks thinner. He does. Then he comes back to the United States and it's like he's eating yeast rolls and pasta. But the American food, I mean, you look at Europeans,

they're not as big as Americans. It's something about the food. He eatin' a lot of- I mean, if you go to Europe, you're not gonna see as many people that's a little heavier. You don't see a whole bunch of them. Yeah, so he's doing something, man.

I don't know if it's- Now, J.O., you know this. Their bodies are gonna be their bodies. They're not gonna be sculpted. They're not gonna have abs. They're not gonna have caps on their shoulders. They're not gonna have that much. They all look alike.

I've never seen a European player with muscles. You look at Jokic, you look at Luka, you look at Manu, you look at Zubats, you look at any international player. Tell me the what, Sabonis, tell me the what. You say, okay, calves on his shoulder, ripped up, calves. That's how they look. There's only one that's Giannis that I think is-

Yeah. That's the only one. Giannis got that Nigerian base. There's a difference. You know, my base is based in Nigeria. So he come from the foundation, that stock. Right. It's a little different than what the Europeans,

what Luca and Jokic and Manu and all those guys came out of. But he looks good. But like I said, I don't worry about a guy right now and he ain't gotta play for another four, five months. I wanna see him look like this when he come back. Why, it's strange that he would say that now if it wasn't a lot of truth to everything we heard coming out of Dallas.

Yeah. And you know, when you look at him, you got Kenezio tape everywhere. Yeah. Yeah you know, when you look at him, you got kinesio tape everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Like he, he, he's not at 25. And I mean, not at 20, you shouldn't have kinesio tape. You shouldn't be a putting together like, Hey, like that girl, like my

grandma coffee table, we growing up. You shouldn't look like that. You know what I'm saying? We had that black electrical tape holding up everything. No, but I'm saying he had kinesio tape at 23, 24. He's 26 now. I'm like, bro, why you need all that to hold you together? But you remember now, he missed 91, 92 games

the last two seasons. Yeah, you're right. He's missed a lot of games at an early age. And, you know, clearly it's something behind, when you let a talent like that leave at 25 years old. It's a hell of a lot of things got to be happening behind the scenes, you know, to say, you know what, we're not even going after draft picks.

You know, we're not, we just want to go get, you know, get, get one player that basically it's a one for one, one for one. And we, and we ain't gonna have no more conversations. So that, that said a lot. But you can see what Dallas trying to go with it. It's a risk. You got him number one pick this year. We'll see how that turns out, you know, with the rest of the bigs. I do believe that they're going to have to probably move some other, some pieces to bring on another piece. You're not going to have Kyrie to start. Hell, you probably won't have Kyrie the first half of the season next year.

Exactly. I don't think Kyrie coming back till in January. Well, you know, he do a lot of, he do a lot of meditating and a lot of, you know. Yeah. I mean, it's easy on him. He got a torn ACL and it's not like it's a big man that he got to get up and down Kyrie is thin frame. I mean, theoretically he could, I mean,

it could be several months. Cause when he turned out, he towards me in what? Late March? Yes. April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December. Yeah, I see him probably coming back late December by the early, early January jail. Yeah, he hadn't been, but if you think about it, he hadn't been a player that will rush back anyway. Nope. Right in his career. So he's going to make sure he's ready to go. But again, when he's right,

he's one of the best. Oh, he's spectacular. What do you think the Lakers need to do? What is their big, is there somebody you think the Lakers can get or should get in order to give them a great opportunity to compete for a title? Because at this point in time, I mean, that's all LeBron is really playing for. Here's my question, is can the Lakers be the Lakers with LeBron having the ball in his hand at a lesser level? Right, can, you know, and even with Yokel, I mean, I mean, with Luca, you know,

can you have a third person that can take some of the pressure off of those two? Right? Because the thing, the problem is when those two have the ball in their hand, the majority of the time, and obviously LeBron is a different monster. You know, he can make things happen, get downhill, but the ball does stop. And so can you have somebody else that make life easier for those two? Right?

Because LeBron is 40 plus years old, right? He's not going to be able to have to,? He's not gonna be able to carry the load like he's typically carried. Even though he can still go for 30 or 40, but you're gonna need a third person that can really make things easier. And I'm not sure how they do it with the cap issues that they have, but we'll see. But I don't think they have enough right now. I think they're gonna be seven, eight, nine, playing, you know, type of deal, and they don't make a move.

Oh, they gotta make a move. I think the thing is, first of all, this is what we know. LeBron is better without the ball than Luca. Luca cannot play off the ball. LeBron can play off the ball, because you're not putting Luca in the dunker spot. You're not gonna do, there's certain things you're not gonna do.

And prior to this playoffs, Austin Reeves was that guy that gave him a break because we saw Austin Reeves go get 40 against Indiana and without Luca and LeBron. So I don't know what happened. The reports are that he had an injury. He got nicked at some point in time, late in the season, or maybe got nicked in that playoff series.

And he wasn't as impactful as he needed to be. I thought they had an opportunity in game, what was that, was that game three? Yeah, game three. But he ended up playing LeBron them 46 minutes and he just wore them out. You got to get, bro, you play it, first of all, LeBron had already played like 41 minutes in game two.

And then you turn around and burning 46 in game three? Look, I don't care what 40 year old, he cannot. There ain't been a 40 year old created that can play in a playoff game after coming out for 41 minutes. But that's what, that's, so Phoenix had that idea of that third person being Bradley Beal. Obviously Bradley Beal hadn't been healthy,

but I'm talking about an impact player, you know, coming in and supposedly having that level of impact on the team where those player, you know, coming in and supposedly having that level of impact on the team where those guys, you know, hell, maybe Brian be able to take a couple more nights off. Right? Yeah. And impactful. I just think, you know, right now it's only downhill now because Brian is putting up so many significant numbers

from a perspective of just scoring, having to score, assist, rebound, set the table, to turn the bus on, feed the kids. Yeah, he's still 24, eight and eight, but the problem is they need a big. Yeah. Because you can't start Rudy at the five and LeBron at the four, or LeBron at the five and Rudy at the four,

because you see Rudy go bare a little like Shaq. 27 and 24, you can't, they're just too small. Jackson Hayes, you can only, I mean, for whatever reason, JJ's like, hell, to hell with it. Jackson, we're not gonna even play you in game five. And he only played marginal minutes in game four. So with that being said, I thought the Mark Williams, I don't know why they nullified the trade,

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He either did a better job against Rudy Gobert and Jackson, Hayes or anybody else did. A hundred percent. Right. I just think that he's a bigger body too. Bigger body. Right. And he's, and he's a savvy veteran. He's been one of the best defenders, you know, all the time when they come down to protecting that rim and getting a rebound in the basketball. But, you know, again, most teams don't seem to want to go get better in players. And I'm not sure, you know, the NBA needs to put in a rule right now because if you want the product, when you talk about the issues with people watching the NBA and, you know, and the ratings going down, it's because you got the young leading the young.

So you don't have, you know, you don't even have to have, you can take a role of a player coach role, right? And take that off, off the cat. You know, the NBA can do anything, right? You can give the union, they can make it work. Put people in place that helps develop, you know, and you got, you look at Jackson Hayes and they had another, they signed another, uh, Alex Lynn, right? Do you be the tallest high school or college coach next year. Well, this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. If you have a, they just call it the White and Howard.

Let's use him for example, right? You have somebody in there mentoring these young boys and getting them and having them understand the importance of everything they do or So then you in a better situation, right? You're not saying you got to go pay him five million dollars but just you know, just don't don't don't put a better on on on on Keeping off the team because you have to pay him a little bit more because he's a veteran Just create a watch your bear or Javelee. Javel McGee was available. That's what I'm saying, but why not?

I mean, so, so is the NBA doing similar to what the NFL is doing also on? Yeah. They really going young. Yeah. Going young and doing away with all the veterans outside of quarterback, a Pacific quarterback that is still getting the opportunity to play regardless of age. But like the NFL, the NFL, NBA.

Yeah, because you know, the bad medal on Ocho with a certain number of years is a million dollars. You get a guy right out of college or a first year guy and pay him 300, 400,000, save 600,000. But what's 600,000 when you make it 300 million? Right. I don't get that. Well, I guess the question of basketball, I mean,

is do you really want to win? I mean, it doesn't matter. I mean, most of the, basketball's not like football where you have historical families that's involved with these teams. Right. Right, basketball's not that. Right, basketball, as a matter of fact,

the majority of the NBA now is new ownership. Right, and so from a perspective, you know, what is it that, what is the real purpose? Right. Is it, you know, invest into, you know, invest into a team, let the value grow and then sometime down the road, sell it. Get up off it. Right. Yeah.

Because that's, that's the difference. Because if you look at the NFL, a lot of these, a lot of these owners, now some of these owners now have other things, but for the longest time, J.O. and Ocho, these were family-run business. These were modern pop shops. That's all they had. Now, you look at guys, people that buy teams now, that's not their number one business. That team is not their number one business. The Aldersons that just bought the Dallas Mavericks, they're gambling. That's their number one business. You look at a guy that bought the Sacramento Kings, you look at Steve Ballmer who bought the Clippers. That was not his number one business.

Now that's what he does now, but he's worth a hundred billion. Yeah. So he spent two, so that's not what it is. Not like the NFL, it's not like the Hunts. Now the Hunts have other things, but it's a family. But for the most part, NBA is a lot now. They're not family.

These young, these tech guys, these guys that made money investing in Silicon Valley and things like that, they're the one that's buying the team. They're not like, I don't know. I'm trying to think who's the oldest. So you're not gonna find somebody like the, the McClaskey's that owned the Bears. Her dad, Virginia McCaskey, she just passed away.

Her dad, George Hallis, founded the Bears, passed it down. You ain't gonna find that in NBA. You're not gonna find the Rooney's like the Steelers, owned since 1933. You're not gonna find that like the Marra's. When did the Giants, when did Dolan buy the Knicks? Was the Knicks in town to him? No, I think he had his dad.

His dad, yeah, that's how he did it. He made the only one. But he might, yeah, he might be, no, what'd you call him? Jeannie Buss. Her dad, since, since, since, since, I think he bought the team in 79. So he might be the longest standing. That was his dad, right? Yeah, he passed it down to here. Round the Browns too, huh? Yeah, well, you know, Jimmy had, yeah, no, Bengals.

Mike Brown, he got passed down to his dad. You might say, he took him for his dad. So they just pass it down. Now these tech people coming in there with four, five, six billion dollars and it's gone. You know, the Walton's just brought the Broncos. I mean, he's worth 100 billion. What's four billion to him?

We just saw Josh Harris. He just bought, he just purchased the commanders last year over six, what, six and a half billion. He also owned the 76ers. So it's not, it's, it's different. It's a different time now, but I agree with you, J.O. I think they should have a, uh, the vets on the team to help these young guys understand and navigate their way through, Uh, I think, I think they're doing a better job.

The PA of both PAs of having guys understand money. Like, bro, you're not a doctor. You're not a lawyer. You're not going to have a 20 year career. Right. The average year, the average career is about three and a half years, three and a half. So even when you factor in Tom Brady, they played 23 and you factor in Peyton Manning that played 19, 18, 19 and drew reason and Rogers and all these guys.

A lot of guys just play in one year. A lot of guys not even playing at all. So it comes with little, little, little it down to three and a half years. Yeah. Bro, you won't be 25. And that's the job that you're probably going to have for the next 20 years. It's not going to be in the NBA, the MLB or, or, or, you know, whatever the case may be, whatever the profession you starting in, there's a good chance by the time you're 25, you're

going to have another job and it's not going to be a professional athlete. Yeah. I think too, man, you know, football is obviously significantly different in basketball, right? You guys draft for exact need. Yes. And every pick is a valued pick, right? Sometimes right now in basketball, you know, they're drafting, you know, best available, even though you might have, you might drop the point guard and you got three already

on the roster. Right. And so, you know, I think that's the difference in basketball where, you know, when we used to talk about those two or three years or four years, it's, it's a change in the guard happening in the NBA because you don't, you don't get a lot of time. And if they send your ass down to the G league and you're a lottery pig that already telling you where you at and what do you think?

Yeah. Dang. Yep. Joe, we'll get you out of here on this. You're the head coach of dynamic prep High School in Irving, Texas. Max Prep announced that Dynamic Prep finished number one in the final top 10 high school basketball ranking. J.O., when you were playing, did you know, always knew you wanted to be a head coach?

And what's that journey been like for you? Listen, bro, I had no idea that I was a head coach. Well, this has been, man, honestly, it's been one of those things where, bro, I had no idea that I was a head coach to be honest. Well, this has been one of those things where to be completely honest with you, man, I was kind of dealing with some stuff. I was dealing with my own personal issues when it came to, you know, I had an abandonment issue growing up. I met my dad when I was 30 years old. He died 13 months later.

I was 13 years into the NBA when that happened. So I've always struggled a little bit with this thing. And, and, and obviously after the deal happened in Detroit, I started, you know, I didn't, I didn't love playing as much anymore because of every day. And so when I was done, I wanted to just go and be with kids. Okay. Just give back what was given to me. I was fortunate enough when I was a young boy at Xavier McDaniel, started a little team in Columbia, South Carolina.

Yep. When gave back, I was English, had some camps I used to go to. So I just wanted to give, you know, give back to kids, man. And I just really put my head down and just started, you know, investing into the community that way. And it's been, we've had an amazing run with the Dry Nation Club. We've had a bunch of lottery picks and first round picks and even second round picks over the last eight years. And I feel like I need to start a school, which is more of an impact because you get them five days a week versus two or three days a week when it comes to club. So, you know, I'm energized about it.

Honestly, I don't know how long I'm a coach. I'm a coach at right next year. But I do believe that, you know, you have to give back. If you have knowledge and ability to give back to your community, man, you got to give, you gotta give, you take those tools and give back to these young kids. Not only these kids, but most importantly, these parents that don't quite understand what it is, you know, when it comes down to the business of being a pro and the pro shit that you got to do every day to become a pro and not skip steps. And so that's the reason why, you know, I do what I do.

And that's why I started dynamic prep. Was, you just got to be honest with him. Your son not gonna be LeBron James. He's not gonna be Steph. He's not gonna be Michael Jordan because you know, every, everybody, every, every parent think their kid is that kid. But you know what? I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you the truth. Okay. But the first time ever I hear more

parents talk about NIL than they talk about the pros. Yeah. Really? Crazy. Man, it's right by the money. We got parents that are looking to retire off their kids going to college. And so when you look at the product, right, you get the product now and, you know, when you talk about the pros, the deterioration of it is happening at the youth level. Right. And so now you got everybody in place running to go grab kids and I got this, I

can get you a deal. And so the parents are so, their mind is so frazzled that it can't think appropriately. So they're making decisions based off the economics of what they're hearing, not knowing that that true money percent is really 2% anyway getting the money. Everybody ain't getting all right. Right? Yes. And so that's the thing where we try to bring some real positive information and tools and attach your day to day with what you say you're trying to get to. Right? And so for us, our job is to continue to invest into the community

and to show people, hey, look, man, this is about the work. If you do, think about it, Ochoa, when you guys coming through, you wasn't worried about when you're going to be chosen, right? Because you was good. Ochoa Mishima Yeah, I was already chosen. Darius Johnson Right, that's what I'm saying. So we worried about the reps and the work that we got to put in. I ain't making no all-star game or getting picked for this or getting picked for that. So that was coming no matter what. I just got to figure out, can my schedule handle it? Right. Right.

But right now people are willing to stop working to try to talk about or try to get something they ain't investing no sweat equity into from the start. And so that's what's problematic about everything. And that's why you see in the transition happened so hard, is becoming so hard. And that's why college now, coaches are saying we only trust 25-year-olds.

Yeah. You don't trust high school kids no more. 25-year-olds, they ask you to tell them right now. Yeah. And they've been and started asking that. I mean, you know, people are asking, I remember hearing the question, well, if Blake Griffin was so good,

why did he go back for a sophomore seat? What? I mean, you know, if a guy's good, it's like basketball. If a guy don't come out after his freshman year, well, man, he must not be that good. I mean, you're never gonna see another Tim Duncan. You're not gonna see a four-year superstar like that.

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