Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Adam Thielen TRADE + Kyle Hamilton’s $100M deal + Kerby Joseph joins the show

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Panthers trading Adam Thielen back to the Vikings, and break down Ravens star Kyle Hamilton signing a record-setting $100.4M extension — the largest deal for a safety in NFL history. Plus, Kerby Joseph join the show to talk about the upcoming season and much more! 02:40 - Kyle Hamilton 100m deal 11:30 - Panthers trade Adam Theilen to Vikings 17:30 - Terry Mclaurin age 24:51 - Kerby Joseph joins the show 45:58 - Colts GM not trading Anthony Richardson (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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all pro safety, Kyle Hamilton and the Ravens have reached an agreement. A four-year extension worth, $100.4 million is the largest deal for safety in the NFL history and the deal includes $82 million. However,

they got a bigger deal, Lumar Jackson. His salary cap number is 43.5 million and 25, 74.5 million in 26. With Lamar continued, he's

He'll represent himself here and his mom. Are we headed for a long, drawn-out negotiation, or this is going to be simple and painless? It's going to be simple and plainness. Simply, in fact, this is quarterback number one. This is the future of your organization, probably for the next 10 years. Obviously, we saw young bull down there in Buffalo get his deal. I forgot what the numbers were, but I know I think it was in North was a maybe 300, 330, something like that. Yeah, yeah.

I think it's over 300 with 250, 250 guaranteed. So obviously Lamar is going to be somewhere probably going to leapfrog that in some way, shape, form of fashion. Representation, being his mom, them having the right people in their corner, understanding how everything works, being that they've already worked one deal. So it's pretty easy where the numbers are going to be, and they're going to work it out. And I'm not, maybe, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens maybe before the season or maybe in the middle of the season. But it's probably going to be done. It's simply when it comes to certain players on, when it comes,

come to certain players, especially this position, you don't play no games. You don't play no games in that position. So the quarterbacks have nothing to worry about except just football alone. Yeah, I like them going ahead and getting this deal with Kyle Hamilton out of the way. They tied up. The Ravens are normally very, very good about this. Their homegrown talent, they take care of those guys. They always have.

I believe they always will. You go back and look at the Jonathan Ogden, the Ray Lewis's, the Terrell's, Ed Reed, those guys, they take care of their guys, they've always done that. They took care of Lamar. They did make Lamar play or the franchise tag one year. I was surprised. Well, he didn't play in a franchise tag. Nobody even

put money down. So how many guys needed a quarterback and could have given up easily two first round draft picks? I don't think, I think that's the Gordon rating for a quarterback of Lamar two first rounders. You'd have been gladly giving those guys up because, hell, you figure that when you give those guys up that you're going to

be so far down in the draft, It's not going to harm me. You don't think when you get Lamar Jackson, you're going to be picking in the top 10 again. What that's being said, they took care of Kyle Hamilton. Now they can put their attention on Lamar Jackson. And I agree with you. At some point in time, this deal is going to get done.

They're not going into the season next year with a $75 million cap hit for a quarterback. Could I potentially see them doing something done, getting something done? It all depends on him. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you said it best. He and his mom are their representation. they do have an NFL PA attorney. I think they help them read over language and probably pay an hourly rate

or something like that. That's better than giving up 3 to 4%. I'll pay you hourly. I'll give you, you know, 15, whatever the case will be. Let's just say a round number. Let's just say a $1,000 an hour for you to reel a contract to make sure everything's going to up and up.

All the language is what it needs to be. But with that being said, he's not going in the next season with no $75 million cap here. That's for damn sure. Absolutely not. I think it's going to be. be as going to happen sooner rather than later that he's going to get something done. And I can see, I agree with you, I can see them somewhere at some point in time getting

a deal done if he wants to get it done. He might say, well, if we don't get this thing done by the first game, I've done talking contracts until after the seven. Obviously, when you think about someone like Lamar, someone like Lamar that I know personally, he's strictly football. When it comes to the business side of things, obviously he has mom right there to handle those issues but Lamar is one that just wants to play football and we understand the nature of the business and you don't want to get yourself in any type of distract your situations that can take

from said game of football but obviously his his eye is on the prize and the eyes on the prize had nothing to do with money because he's already been paid so his focus is on doing what we need to do to dominate in the AFC North and contend and get ourselves to one the playoffs and to get over the hump of getting out the playoffs and having a chance of the goddamn Lombardi. You're absolutely right. Look, the guy's a two-time MVP.

No, no, no, no. You're not going to pay, no, no, no, no, no. He's a three-time MVP. He's a three-time MVP. He's a three-time MVP. Now, they took one of those MEPs from him based on one of the best statistical seasons from a quarterback in the history of the game.

Yeah. So it was, I love Josh Allen. But last year's MVP was a damn here. That's what that was. I'm just being, I'm just, I'm just being realistic, huh? That's what I'm, damn, here. That's what that was. And, but you're going to pay Lamar Jackson,

a guy that's not even 30 years of age yet. You're going to pay him, you believe, the next five to seven years. He'll still put up the kind of numbers that he's been putting up the last three to four years. 30, 40 past touchdowns still can give you somewhere between five and 800 rush yards, low turnover rate like you said he just needs to get over that hunt he just needs to get that one time

to play like Lamar Jackson in the regular season because so many times we've seen him he went like a stretch where he had eight nine games he didn't turn the ball he didn't fumble the ball

he didn't throw a pick he did none of that and then he got I think in that playoff game the division around against Baltimore he ended up having two turnovers look he still had him in position

if the tight end if he catches that Mark Andrews, if he catches that two-point play, now we're possibly in the overtime or, I mean, the defense is going to have to stand to keep Josh Allen out of field goal range, and then we go to overtime. We'll never know.

But we have yet to see Lamar Jackson play in a big-time game come postseason like the Lamar Jackson that we thought should have won the MVP. See, if that guy showed up, they go into the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that's what we keep expecting, Ocho. That's what we keep wanting to see. because we know he has it in him because we've seen it.

It's not like we're asking, we're not asking Lamar Jackson to do anything he has not put on tape in the regular season. That's the only thing because we've seen him put on tape. He's thrown for 300. He'll rush for 50, 70, 80 yards. We've seen him have three touchdown passes, two touchdown rushing. So we're not asking him to do anything that we have not already seen with our own eyes.

It's just that in the playoffs, more times than not, he's turned the ball over. And once he gets that out of his way, you know, sometimes it takes other long to the, we've gotten spoiled. Tom Brady went in his first year starting, he went.

Patrick Mahomes, his first year starting. He goes to the FC championship game to next year, his second year starting. He wins the Super Bowl. He wins regular season MVP. And that same thing with Lamar.

Think about it. Lamar, his first year starting, he won the MVP. So we know who it. what he can capable of. We just need him to be that person come play on time. And if he does that, the Ravens are going to be hell

because the Ravens got, they got a heck of a football team. They got a heck of a football team. I think John Harbaugh is an unbelievable coach. Defensively, they got guys that fly around to the football. They got Jahir Alexander. They got Wiggins outside. They got Marlon Humper in the slide. They got Hamilton. They took it safe. I think they took

another safety in the first round. They're good. Now, Roquan Smith. They look, they're loaded. They're loaded. They got Bateman. They got a... Zay Flower. The running back with...

Look, Ricard is back. They got Derek Henry. They got Staley's back. Lamar. They are loaded. Lively's going to be out a little while because I think you got dealing with a foot injury.

But they got Mount Andrews, who's been an all-pro, who's gone to multiple pro-boes. This team is loaded. This team is equipped, and they should. You should be thinking, hey, we got to take care of business

and win our division. but they should have loftier expectations based on the personnel that they have on the team and based on the coaching staff that they have. But yeah, Lamar, they're going to get something done. 43.5 million, that's not excessive as far as the cap, Ojo. But 75, yeah, that's way old. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello.

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He is from Minnesota. The teams agreed to swap picks. The Vikings gave up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round pick in 27. Carolina yields a conditional seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27. Oh, Joe, did the Vikings get better bringing them back? I think they got better.

Just a veteran presence in general. just veteran president general having obviously Jordan Addison is going to be out so you have Adam Thien that can come in right now and play. And if you think about it, I'm sure people probably don't see or probably don't know. But Adam Thieland and J.J. McCarthy, they worked out in the offseason together. They were

getting some routes in. Even though that's not his quarterback, they were getting some routes in. So there's a little bit of chemistry and familiarity in that area in that sense. So really Adam Thielen coming back, being able to acclimate right back to that offense, right back at home. I think they're going to be fine. It's a great

addition for them. And obviously them, the Panthers letting them go, let you know how good and how much they believe in that young receiving... Jimmy Horn made the active roster. Yeah, but you...

Jimmy Horn Jr. made the actor roster. You got that right, Jimmy Horn we're going to make it. Jimmy Horn is one of the better rookies in the NFL, especially when it comes to rock running and being able to create separation and get open. So I understood that.

Hell, Jimmy was so goddamn good. They let Brother Hunter Winfro go. Brother Hunter Winfro go. And Winfro is one, if considered, one of the better rock runners and also a creating separation and be able to get open, but that's how good, that's how good they are. Obviously, I'm very, very high. Very, very high. And I've spoke highly of that receiving corps over there in Carolina. And if they're, if they're to have a year and want to

compete, not only that division, but have a successful season is going to be upon that receiving core leading brother Bryce Young to the promised land. So outside of that, I'm happy for Adam Thielen. He's going to be just fine back in Minnesota. J.J. McCarthy. Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen, and when Jordan Edison comes back, that's a nice trio to have. Very nice trio. Yeah.

And you still got Hawkinson, who's another year removed from that injury, Aaron Jones in the backfield. Yeah, I like to move. This is a Carolina's opportunity. I mean, I would have liked for him to stay there and help mentor some of those young receivers, that they have in Carolina.

But Carolinas look like it's our guys, it's time for them to grow up. It's time for them to grow up. grow up. We're counting on these young guys. You got McMillan, you got Leggett, you got... Dana Koker.

Coker, you got Jimmy Horn Jr. like you said. So they got some young talent. Now it's just time for them. They don't have what you call a veteran presence in that locker room, Mocho, at the receiver position. They have veterans on the team. But I like the move.

Would I have been disappointed if Carolina said no, but they said, you know what? For a fourth round pick in 27, yeah yeah yeah we go ahead we let y'all have this and i understand minnesota because like you said jordan addison's going to be gone for three games so now we got somebody to come in that a veteran presence that understands the the gravity and the magnitude of these games that they can't like they're in a very tough division oh joe that green bay's in that division detroit's in that division we believe chicago will be better that's in that division so detroit's like now we don't

we don't have any excuses we don't have any slippage we don't have any slippage we want to get off hit the ground running and i think adam feeling gives them a great opportunity to do that but uh so i like the trade for both but if carolina said nah to keep adam feeling and to help him groom some of these young guys i wouldn't have been upset at that either you have to understand why they let him go i think people in the chat need to understand when it comes the veteran players that are on teams and you have a young receiving corps that is impressed not only in the preseason but in training camp that's the only time you let a veteran presence presence of a player like adam feeling go because you trust what you've already seen.

You trust what those young bulls are put on film, so now we know, you know what, we're going to be okay. We're going to be okay, and we're going to let them boys take the torch. Yeah. And that's your thing, look, a part of us all want to go back home. You know, Dorothy, Dorothy wanted to go back to campus.

A part of us want to go back to where it started from. And, you know, if you think about it, normally time when a lot of people escape, what are the first place they go? They catch them at home. They go, they go back to an old familiar surroundings. And so I think for Adam,

Adam, you know, he's like, man, I'm from Minnesota. I spent the first 10 years of my career in Minnesota. You know what? And my family, he's probably, Minnesota's probably going to be home for him. Man, I mean, he's probably thinking, didn't know if it would ever come to fruition.

He's probably thinking, man, I should like to get home. I should like to, you know, If you play a last year or two in Minnesota, and here it is, he's going home. And Minnesota pull off a swap. They give up a fifth round pick in 26 and a fourth round in 27. Carolina gets a seventh round pick in 26 and a fifth round in 27.

So I think everybody's happy on Joe. But like you said, those young receivers in Carolina, they impressed enough that Carolina was willing to move off a veteran presence, a guy that's steady, dependable. You know exactly what you're going to get. He's hardworking. He's a guy that can mentor the young guys, but they say, you know what?

These young guys are ready. Absolutely. During Terry McCarran's push for a new contract, age was cited as a big factor in the reluctance. Terry turns 30 in mid-September. That ultimately didn't stop the team from agreeing on a three-year deal with the wideout. At the press conference today,

McLaurin was asked about his response to the concerns that neither he nor the deal will age well. The data is the data. But I think people they're outliers. There are people who may not necessarily fit into that set of data. Only time will tell. But I feel like

where things are in my ability, in January, I ran like 60 yards screen for a touchdown. My speed hasn't diminished at all. My toughness is there. If anything, my sabbiness of playing receiver has grown. Hey, listen. Honestly, I'm just, listen,

and all the analytics and data and stuff that they have based on age and wearing tear and amount of miles on your legs, none of that really matters, none of really matters. It only matters to... No, it doesn't matter to us. It just matters to those who cut those check. They pay the check. That's all, that's all.

And so they look at it from a business standpoint. Maybe I won't get another Terry McLaurin. I can get somebody that can give me half the production and I can put that money elsewhere. That's the way they think. But when it comes to a team that is on the verge of being able to go, to a Super Bowl that has a young quarterback that you haven't had to pay yet, you want to make a deal like this happen, which I don't understand why they were waiting. From a business standpoint, why are we waiting? Are you serious about winning? Them getting that deal done for Terry Mulan lets me know that they're serious about winning and the quarterback not having the power or leverage to be able to go upstairs and say, listen, we need to get this done. We need to get this done because we have a small window of opportunity. We have a good, we have okay defense, but I understand we can do offensively if we have number 17 in this room for us. to make that run for Lombardi.

Hell, we got to the NSC Championship with him. He was, I'm not sure what percentage, but he was responsible for a high percentage of that offense, especially when it comes to throwing the ball in the air. So what is there to play about? I don't care what data. I don't care what analytics say. I know what happens.

I know what he does when you put, when you turn that goddamn film on, and 17, he's going to show up every time. The question is, Ocho, what we don't know, we're not privy to these conversations. Did he lower the ceiling or did they raise the floor? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one.

I got to write. That's what you and I are not privy to those conversations. So, and what I mean about that, Chad, did he lower his price or did they raise their, did they raise their offer? And so that's what we don't know. All we know is that the deal got done. You and I both think maybe it took a little longer than probably what it should. But in any negotiation, there needs to be a give and take because you don't want someone to begrudgingly give you something and then you guys

become resentful of each other but by the same token you don't want to like man feel like you got screwed over because now you're going to feel like you they took advantage of you so I think

at this at the number that he ended up getting I think everybody can live I think everybody can live with that he doesn't have to go in and play on that fifth year option now he gets to come now he gets to, well, I think, he gets to come in and get a good number. Like I said, Ocho, what, what, what can he do with 32 million that he only needed 34 million to be able to do it?

Right. Yeah, listen, he comes in fair. It's a respectful, it's a respectful offer. Obviously, it's not the highest. It's not as high as you want, obviously because you are 30, but they found a happy median. A happy media for him, his family, wife, kids. They can be happy. The team is happy. Jaden Daniels gets his court, Jane and Daniels gets his receiver on a nice piece, sound mind. So now all you can do, the business side of it is over. Let's go play football. Let's play football and prepare for week one with no distractions.

We all good. Yeah, because, you know, they're going to have to do something with Laramie Tunsel. They're going to have to do something with Louvo. You know, are they going to do anything with Marchion, Lattimore? That's the question. Jane Daniels is coming up in. after next year. So, you know, they got some other pieces and they needed to get this out of the way

so they don't have this, you know, going into a next season with tonsill and Lovu and those other and a few other guys on show. Let's go ahead and piece by piece because in two years, you're going to have to go see five. I think he's number. Ain't Jane Daniels five yet? You're going to have to see it. And it's going to cost you a chunk of change now. It's going to be pretty now.

Yeah, you're going to have to do something strange. You're going to have to do. do something strange to pay that piece of change. You got to understand. You got three quarterbacks, right? That's going to come up, and it's going to break the bank for their team. So you want to take advantage of those situations now. Over there in Houston, boy, you better back the brink truck up.

Down there in Washington, you better be able to back the brink truck up. At some point, I think after the season, no, Caleb William got one more. Bo Nix, they've been to have to back the brink truck up. Well, he got another year, too. Yeah, him and Caleb, him and Bo Nix and Caleb are going to be at the same time. And Jane Daniel. Oh, yeah, yeah, all of them came out the same track. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Come on. Talk to me, nice, too. Let me know. Show me how much you love me. Yeah, I'll be, look. The thing is you try to win as much as you can because when these quarterbacks, these young quarterbacks, when it's time to dance, no, it kind of inhibits what you're able to do.

You can't just arbitrarily go, okay, I can just go get that. Because when you have him on his rookie contract, you can do that. You can go get a guy and think about just one year. Okay, I think about just the now, just the here. But once you pay that guy and you're talking about you paying a guy 50, 60, and you're looking at this case. You're probably talking about somewhere between 63 and 67, 68 million dollars. Who knows, maybe even you touch 70.

Without blinking an eye. Yeah. And so you're looking at a court of a bill, a court of a bill. guarantee so that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's kind of where you're headed now so with that being said I think you know these guys uh these general managers

and the teams are trying to link the lock these guys up so we don't want to have to do I've tried to do Laramie Thompson I'm trying to do Louvo I'm trying to do Jane Daniels I'm trying to do um else let me go ahead and get do I deal one thing I can fight one battle at a time I don't want to spread myself too thin let me fight one battle at a time okay I got to fight

Jane Daniels, let me go ahead and get this take care of. Okay, I need to deal with tonsil. I need to deal with Lovo. I need to whomever. Let me deal with one individual at a time. And I think that they'll be better served with that. But it was good that McLaurin got his money.

You know, look, whether we like it or not, Ocho, everybody is losing analytics. Because guess what else everybody is using? AI. Pretty soon they're going to come with AI. The team's going to be using AI to determine. I mean, listen,

The game of football is still football at the end of the day. I don't care what technology, what data, what analytics that teams try to go off of. Certain type of players win you championships. You're going to need your dogs in there. There are certain things that analytics and data can't measure. They can't measure skill. They can't measure hard.

Sometimes you've got to use your eyes and goddamn common sense. This MF, I don't want to curse, This mofow, this mofow, he can play. And because he can play, he can help my team. And because he can play and he help my team, I got a pain. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast.

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We got a very special guest joining us right now. We got all pro, all pro safety from the Detroit Lions led to league in interception last year. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Kirby Joseph. KJ, what is doing? I just want to thank you for having me on here. Curve-A, boy, you got money, boy, you got stars in your ceiling. Yeah, I see that, I see that rule. I was taking the same thing, I'm taking the same thing.

I'm taking the same thing. I ain't never seen nothing like that, boy, what you driving? Hey, man, just know I'm in that, I'm in that thing. You know, that looks like a color. That looks like, you know, but for where I'm sitting, you know, many, many miles away, but that would it look like. I'm in the gap, sir, right now. It looked like you in space, boy.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Hey, how you doing? How was your off-season coming in because, look, the last couple of years, you get to the NFC championship game, you lose to the divisional round. So how is your off-season, and how do you lose the last two seasons, this off-season, to get you right where you need to be coming into this season? To be honest, I felt like that last season made me even hunger, you know?

Just getting a taste of, like, that I can do it, then I'm going to, like, achieve it all. That's just how I am as a person. You know what I'm saying? I'm never going to stop at 9. Like, you know, I said, I got 9 interception. I'm not going to stop at 9. I'm always going to try to PR, you know, because I feel like if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

Hey, how was camp this year? How's the body holding up? Obviously, are you going to go in the sand? If you limp into the season, you're going to limp out the season. How's your body holding up? How did cam go and how you feeling going in a week one? Man, honestly, everything went great, man. I feel like we had a great camp.

I just felt like I know now, like, you know, this is like year four for me. So it was like a lot of stuff I don't seen before. So like that saying, that's saying like, oh, the more years you play, like the more experience you'll get. Like, that's the truth, you know. Clicious. Look, last year, you guys, man, you got up to this great start. You played pretty well all year. But these injuries started to mind.

You lose a D-Liamer, you lose a D-tackle, you lose a D-tackle, you lose a linebacker, you lose a backup, you lose a backup, you lose you just kept you losing player after player and AG did a great job and Coach Campbell, your head coach did a great job of keeping this team standing like no matter who we lose. Guys, hey, this is why we have 53 man rosters. Hey, guys come in, you do your job.

That's all I need you to do is your job. It had to be fussed. You're like, well, damn, bro, I mean, at some point in time, we got to run out of defensive players and we can't lose anybody else. Yeah, last year, that was, I never seen nothing like that. in football. I've never seen that before that.

I wouldn't say it was frustrating, but it was kind of heartbreaking just seeing my brothers, you know what I'm saying, like get injured and stuff because nobody wants to get injured in this game. You know what I said, but we love playing this game,

and, you know, that's what we signed up for. You know, injuries are going to happen. But, like, how did that happen? Yeah. I've never seen that before. But I felt like, I felt like, man, we just knew what we had.

to do you know i mean you know guys go down you know i'm saying and if it's something like that that happens man i feel like i don't pride myself on like just having like i i wouldn't say i but i feel like us as a team we don't we don't how should i say we don't believe in like ones and twos you know what i'm saying it's like the next person got to go right right right everybody yeah yeah because like i tell i tell the group all the time like even everybody always says it's going to take all of us to win you know what i'm saying so like Like, as a team, that's just what you got to do. You know what I'm saying?

When your brother down, man, you got to step up to play. Hey. How different. Go ahead, I'm going to say, obviously with AG being gone, I'm one of the ones I've always come to bat for you guys, regards to who the person is calling defensive plays, with AG now being with the Jets, but the same players are still there. So regardless of who's calling the plays, from your perspective and your point,

are you still allowed the freedom to be able to do what you want to do at the safety position, being that you're as good as you are? being able to have a little freedom to do what you want. Are you allowed to get now? Yeah, I feel like, I wouldn't say now. I always had a little freedom, especially when AG was there, just learning it as I go. You know, I feel like, yeah, the same players are here.

You know what I'm saying? You know, AGO, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, he had to go do what he had to do at the Jets. You know what I'm saying? I'm wishing them good luck and all. But I feel like, I don't feel like the level of play is going to decline at all. all, you know, if anything, I feel like it will increase a lot more. You know what I'm saying? Because now I feel like it's just, you know, it's a new coaching staff change. You know what I'm

saying? Everybody has to go through that coaches staff change and that building relationships and the adversity you have to go through throughout the season. You know what I'm saying? So I just feel like it's a new turning point, you know, new chapter. Right. That's the thing for me when I'm thinking. I think about safety play. You wanted a better see probably actually the best safety in the NFL, you know, along with Kyle Hamilton. And to be able to get the amount of picks you get. There's a certain amount of freedom that you have to have that it can't be scheme. It can't be scripted. It's not extra nose. It's just you being able to have free will to make decisions based on your eye discipline and what you see. So I know you

have a new coaching staff and most of the time you get coaches that come in and they have, I don't want to, I think maybe not ego for the most part, but I want you to do things my way and my way only. So I would just curious if even with the new coaching staff, are you still allowed to have free will outside of the exit of those to be able to play your game. Yeah, for sure. I feel like one thing I notice about, like, a lot of my teammates on the, on the team is that, like, we're football players, you know, I feel like the team does a great job allowing us to be football players because, you know, football is not just what you see on paper.

It's not going to be like that in the game. So you got to understand stuff happen. So you got to, you know, you got to play football, though. You just got to play football. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I like that. that because, listen, something that I always struggle with. Obviously, when I was playing, you go in, they put the scheme, the taxes, this is we running. They do, the exit of nose. It's a straight line, and he cuts, right. I'm like, dude, that's not how it happens in real time. No.

You got people moving, pushing, and tugging, so it's kind of different out there on the field. And most of the time, I would always tell my officer coordinator, give me a little freedom to do what I do, but I'm going to stay within the timing of the offense. And the same thing on defense. It's all about reading, reacting. in a certain amount of time, but I'm going to do everything I can the way you draw it up,

but you've got to give me some freedom where you don't have me out there playing like a goddamn robot. Yeah, but go ahead. Go ahead. I'm excited. I can't play football like a robot. That is just not in me, bro.

I got to. Right, right. No, my question is that you got somebody in your division that you face twice a year that was your officer coordinator for a long period of time. And, you know, he's drawing up plays

to beat the defensive training camp. You guys are trying to scheme plays to stop the offensive training camp. So how fun, how different, how difficult do you think it would be to face Ben Johnson? We know he's one of the best offensive minds in football, and he happens to be in your division. You play them twice a year, and they've loaded up.

They went and got drafted the receiver in the second round. They drafted the tight end in the first round. They shored up their offensive line. They're seemingly in the preseason, and I don't want to put too much on the preseason, Kirby. But it seems to be their flying. hanging around defensively, but you know their bread is butted on the offense. They got a first

round draft pick. They got DJ Moore. They got Roma Dunzee. I think they got Burton. I think they took Burton in the second round on Missouri. They got Loveland and Cole Commet. So they're a really good team. But, you know, you're familiar with him and he's familiar with you guys. Hey, I like that. You said that

because, you know, Ben Ben had to go do what he had to do. Just like AG did. You know, I'm happy for him. You know what I'm saying? The opportunity. Yeah, they got some guys over there. You know what I'm saying, but Ben know what's up with me. Like you said, he knows what's up with me, bro. He knows what's up with me, bro.

So I'm never going back down or away from competition because honestly, I feel like that he knows the players and he knows kind of the scheme we run and stuff. I feel like it's more of a challenge, you know. So I feel like it's always a way to get better. And I feel like that's a big test right there. I like it. Yeah, you know what?

I would tell me this. Dan Campbell because when he first got the job, that man talking about biting knee cams and he's going to do all this. I'm like, well, damn. So what's he really, when the cameras are not there and it's just you guys at practice

and you guys are in the meeting room or you, what's Dan Campbell like? Honestly, man, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like Dan Campbell, that's just a great coach, you know? I feel like he's more of a player's coach because just because he understands, like what, you know, what we put our body through

and what we go through throughout the he was a former player. So we kind of understand how everything be. I feel like he does a great job of like taking care of us and he shows that he's passionate, you know, about a lot of things we do. Like, the reason why he's telling us these things he's telling us

is because he wants us to win. Not only him to win, but he wants us to win. You know what I'm saying? Like, you people are what I'm saying? It's not just him. Yeah. On the team, it's us. Because we're doing this as a group. We're a team, you know what I'm saying? We're reaching one go together. So I feel like he does a great job, but just teaching us that, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of the drills we do are a lot of the practices

or the meeting, the team meetings and stuff like that, man. I just felt like, man, every time that man get up and go up on that podium or whatever he's talking about. I already go right now. I'm already right now. I'm ready right now. So I just, man, I love Coach Campbell, man. He does, you know what I'm saying, everything.

I like it. Hey, what's your nutrition like? Are you one of those healthy eaters, you know, eat green stuff all the time? Like, are you, are you big into that? I'm going to survive. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to try to eat good, but if it's good, you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying? I'm not going to go over the extent that's just starve myself or not eat food.

I'm going to eat my food. See, I like it. See, so that brings me to my next question. I don't eat pork. I don't eat pork. Okay, okay, okay, that's cool. Listen, I want to provide my services, you know, I'm a meal prep. So I can provide you with meals.

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I got a new job, huh? Kurt, you guys traded Tim Patrick, Jameson Williams going into his like third. Jameson, do you think he's ready to take that next step? Because we've seen him. So the flashes, we know what I'm in Rawe. We know what he's going to do, but now Jameson. You know, and at first he was just that guy that tried to get deep.

But now you can just put the ball, you can hand it to him, and he can go hit his head on the gold post. You can throw him a smoke screen, jailbreak screen, and he can go get to the end zone. So what do you think, what can we expect to see from Jamison this year? Man, honestly, I'm so proud of Jimo, man. Jemmo is one of the guys that you, you know, you see out there, and he just continues to get back.

You know what I'm saying? And I feel like this year, I feel like, they ain't seen this Jemmo yet. They ain't seen this Jemmo yet. And so I ain't, you know, I ain't, I ain't go put it all out, though, but Jamo this year for sure. I like him. He ready to rock.

Hey, what Brian Branch at, man? Man, BB. Yeah, man. I don't know right now. He probably some of them, but, man, that's, man, that's none of the guys on, another guy on the team that continues to just work hard, bro. Like, bro, his, his, his back is, his back is tools or whatever he was. He's nice.

He's nice. Listen, I talked about him. I talked about him all last year. Matter of fact, it got to the point where it was almost weird. I tweeted about him and you so much to the point where it was like I was stalking. But listen, I appreciate secondary play, DB play so much, even though I'm receiver. I was giving y'all, y'all boys, credit week in and week out, just the way y'all play the game and what y'all approach to the game. So I'm, I've always been a huge fan.

especially, man, you and goddamn Brian Branch, man, him being able to go to safety, then sometime having to go to Korn. I'm like, man, what the hell? Bro. Like a, damn, the Swiss Army knife. He's doing everything. Facts.

Man, he's super talented. Man, he's super talented. I feel like one thing he does the most is, like, his instincts crazy. Yes. His instinct is crazy. Him at nickel and him at safety is kind of, the nickel is kind of a part,

But when they moved them back to safety, you know what I said? With you, man, like, the plays he made, I just, you know what I'm saying? I'm still wishing I made them. I just put it like that. Are you a talker? I mean, when you're on the field, are you talking to the opposing team? Is your defense talkers or you guys just go play football? To be honest, I felt like everybody got their own little situation going on with me out there.

me personally i feel like i feel like i don't too much say nothing but somebody pissed me oh bro you're going to hear me bro like i'm and once i'm going at you bro i'm never going to stop yeah is there a player is there a player that you really don't like that y'all always go at it to give you a better example perspective mike evans and marshon ladamore do you have anybody like that that you go at it with in the nfl or not really i got a couple Damn, for real? Yeah, I don't know. I got a couple.

I don't want to be going for none of that. Is it personal or it's like really serious? Like, I don't really, I don't see you like that. Like, I really don't see you like that. There's only one like that. Who that? I want to know. I want to know so I can watch.

I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'll take. Hey, because once they find out, they're going to be trying to separate you. Okay, okay, I got you, I got you. No, no.

Because what's he fired out? He's going to try to get you before you get him. No, he knows. He knows who I am. Okay, okay, yeah. So, obviously, your head coach, and you mentioned a lot of the players from the defense and the offense are still there.

Although you lost both of your coordinators, the expectations are still high. You guys won 15 games last year, the year before that, you went to the NFC championship game. bro it's time i mean you know you only you only get so many bite of the apple occur before the apple's gone that y'all be taking big y'all be taking big bites hey we ain't gonna stop

and we ain't gonna stop till we get there though like but i don't never see myself especially like stopping i feel like a lot of the things we went through i i feel like it was to get us to this moment right now i feel like we got a lot of guys healthy we got guys back you know what i'm saying And I feel like, especially the guys that were on the team last year, they kind of understand that we gave it even more than we did the first year, but that still wasn't enough. You know what I'm saying? So got to still keep going, because now it's just any minute thing going on with the game, that could be the change at the top of the game. You know what I'm saying?

So just working on the situations and stuff like that. And then just, we got made plays, you know what I'm saying? I feel like a lot of the things that happen on the field, like playmaking, I feel like it's not. not only the coaches getting on us, but it's ourselves because we keep ourselves accountable a lot of the things. You know what I'm? Yeah, yeah, because it's like, I'd be hard on myself when I don't get an exception for the game, you know,

because I feel like I leave my team down. You know what I'm saying? And maybe I feel the same way if he didn't get enough sacks. You know what I'm saying? It's just stuff like that, like, you know what I'm saying? Let's help each other and keep each other on, like, on points. Week 16, you face a very familiar opponent. You were in the same division with this guy,

Aaron Rogers. He's with the Steelers now. You've had a lot of success against Rogers. You're looking forward to that match up? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that's my favorite quarterback, though. Oh, man. Oh, you expect him to throw you a couple. Yeah, yeah. That ain't going to stop.

Yeah, yeah. That ain't going to stop. But, hey, he's cool, though. He cool, for sure. Yeah. I'm trying to see, I'm trying to see if he's going to sign one of them. I was about to ask you the same thing. I was saying you tried to get one to throw on saying.

Yeah, I'm trying to get one of the ball. I'm trying to, I leave one of them. I got about. I'm just trying to get them some, man. I'm just trying to get a sign, man. I like it. That's funny. Y'all play the Steelers Week 16.

Hey, y'all don't play the Bengals, huh? Yeah, we do. I think we got them on a schedule this year. Uh-oh. Okay. Yeah. I think that my first time going against Joe Barrow. Yeah.

Okay, okay, okay. Do you circle games, do you look at, do you look at the calendar? Do you look at the schedule? Like, okay, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, this might, yeah, okay, I like this. I like this one. Do you circle games, week five, y'all play the Bengals, week five? Oh, for real? I'm going to the game.

What we play at? Are they playing in Detroit? No, we're playing in Cincinnati. Okay, okay. I see you week five. I'm coming out there. I'm coming out there. See me out there.

Yeah, yeah. Definitely. I don't feel like I got, like, a whole bunch of games, but I do be having, like, revenge games. I have, like, a revenge game. Or, like, somebody I ain't played, like, the Bengals. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, like, that's one of my games out of circle

because, you know, I never played them before. I always like to play different teams, see different people, and see different plays, you know? Yeah, and, you know, they got one of the better offenses. You know, the quarterback, you mentioned Joe, they got T, they got a chase, the Triple Crown winner. They're supposed to be really, really good on that side. of the football.

So you guys are really going to have your work cut out there? Yeah, and I see my, I see a couple of my dogs out there, Chis Brown and PJ. Yeah, so then my dogs, I'm trying to, you know,

Jersey Swab, see all them boys. You know, I say it's always good to see you, you know, I'm saying your teammates from way in the back and way in the past and stuff. That's dope.

Well, Kirby, man, best of luck. Stay healthy. Thanks for giving us a few moments of your time tonight, man. Wishing the Lions, the best of luck.

And you guys win that division and get to the Super Bowl, man. Come back and join us and have a conversation with us. For sure, man. For sure, man. Oh, go ahead. No, I'm saying my meal prep, I'm going to send you the directions on how to take the food, the amounts. You know, it's three meals a day.

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I'm just trying to earn a dollar. Oh, that birthday. Coach Jim, Chris Ballard said team is not trading Anthony Richardson. It is easy to say, okay, he's done. I don't agree. I've said numerous times. I don't agree with that. I think overcoming challenges and obstacles along the way are good for anybody,

for anybody. I do. I'm proud of Anthony of where he's at and how far he's come. he's come miles is tough on any young quarterback in this league but for him to keep taking the growth steps he has and worked so hard and not get the goals for himself all right now continue to do that that's when we've got a chance to see real growth you like that old show you like what he had to say

also also from a business from a business side of things we know we don't we know that the long term answer is not daniel jones We've seen a small sample side of what Daniel Jones was with the New York Giants. So to think... No, we saw a big sample side. They weren't small. Okay, my bad. But to think that Daniel Jones is the answer long term, that's not it.

So why would you trade Anthony Richardson? He's only 23 years old. He's probably going to continue to grow, continue to get better. Sometimes other quarterbacks reach their potential much sooner than others. Maybe it's going to take Anthony Richardson a little bit longer. Maybe the benching now again in losing this spot is a blessing in the disguise. for him to continue to grow, to continue to get better. And at some point, if things aren't going well in Indianapolis with Daniel Jones as the

starting quarterback, do you know who's not going to have to come in and be that savior for the rest of the season? Brother Anthony Richardson, absolutely. They would not let him go or trade him somewhere else where there is no backup. No, of course not. No, I think I don't think he's trading him now. Now, we might be having a different conversation next off season. Okay, yeah, that's different.

Now, that's depending. That's depending if things by the Daniel Jones and what he shows us, what type of growth, maturity from the quarterback position, being able to execute the offense, facilitate the ball without the turnovers, without the mental lapses that he has from time to time. Now, that can save not just in job, but his future in Indianapolis as well. Yes, yes. So if he gets an opportunity, he's going to have to take full advantage of it

because he's not getting another chance after this, Joe. He gets back in there, and he gets back in there, and he doesn't take advantage of this opportunity, they're going to move on. I hate that. Because it becomes cost-prohibitive for them to keep him on the roster. So, and you're never going to get the value for him.

I mean, you took away the fourth pick in the draft. Yeah. The fourth pick in the draft, Ocho, you do realize, like, that's supposed to be. At the fourth pick in the draft, you're supposed to be franchise alter. Especially if you're a quarterback. Yep.

I mean, any player that you're taking it that high up, he's supposed to be friends. If it's a quarterback, a running back, a wire receiver, a tight end, he's supposed to be franchise altering. Yeah. And normally you hope, Ocho, you don't have to bench a guy. Now, we'll see how he took to the benching because we saw what it did for Bryce Young.

Yeah. Let's see if it can have the same kind of impact on Richardson. Yeah. I hope so. I hope so, too. The talent. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, a phenomenal talent, man.

Once he puts it all together, it can be a beautiful thing. I mean, look, you look at it, a guy started, he started 13 games in college, he started 15 games in the NFL. That's 28 total starts. Most of the really good quarterbacks,

you'll get one or two. You get a Cam Newton that only starts one year of major college football, 13, 14 games, and or you get a Joe Burrow who starts, you what, 14, 15 games. And I think he might have started a junior. I'm not sure, but I don't think he started more than 25 days.

With that being said, but most of the time, these guys, you got to get, I mean, that ain't a whole lot of stars, 13. Think about the Ocho, 13 starts at your project and you get your top five pick. Do you know how mentally talented you must be? Yeah. but the bad thing about it is the NFL is not patient no no no hell now the NFL is not patient because you have to understand people jobs on the line so when you draft the quarterback that high that high and you're expecting to be not only a generational talent a franchise changing quarterback

you know listen the Texans did it hell the commanders did it so not understanding with not that but look how many look how many games jane daniel started up he's started like damn than 50 games, Ocho. Yeah, and that's the difference. Well, obviously, there needs to be a little patience on the Indianapolis Coast side on that franchise, but they don't have that kind of patience. They don't have that kind of time because people jobs

on the line, on? People job on the line. I can't be patient for the simple fact in three years I'm going to have to give a guy a quarter of a billion dollars. And you're telling me to be patient? Now, it's not something like, you know, once a point of time. If I can see Ocho, if, it's like if I got 10,

cars, you know, I get like, man, this car might be worth something. I can sit that one to the side. I can't sit my, man, because I, growing up we had a Chavelle, we had a Chappelle, S.S. with the rally racing strikes down. We had all, we had a Malibu, we had all

that stuff. We couldn't sit that car inside because that was our everyday car. Right. I can't stash Anthony Richardson because I need him to play. But I need him to play well. Because in three years, I'm going to have to give him a quarter

of a billion dollars. I'm about to somebody's about to get a contract for 400 million Ochoe. Yeah. And 250 to 300, 275 is going to be guaranteed. So I can't stash it, I can't be patient. Now it used to be, I'm going to let the eggs hatch. No, I get my chicklets from smashing the eggs.

Come on up out of there, damn it. I just be it honest with you, Ocho. Look, you've been in the league. I've been in the league. I've been around the league. That's how it is now. Ain't nobody waiting. Nobody waiting on you. Listen, most of the time, honestly, you think about owners,

you think about owners, especially in the NFL, they want instant gratification. They want into, yes. You know, because most of the owners, they're businessmen. And most of the time, what businessmen do is when they want results right now, they throw money at it. Yes. But it doesn't work like that in NFL.

No. It doesn't work like that. So the frustration piles up because in other areas of business and aspects that I have going on around, once I throw money or something right away I get results but it just doesn't work that way when it comes to NFL

and finding an adequate quarterback that you can rely on for a decade that you can just build around well the thing that you and I talk about is that all of a sudden you start to base your success on somebody else's see they don't have patience

because I'm looking around the league and I see what Bo Necks did I look around the league and I see what Jane Daniels did I look around the lead and I see what C.J. Stroud did so now hold on oh wait wait you went higher than than Boe.

Why are you not playing like that? Why can't you be, why can't you be C.J. Stroud? Why can't you be J. Daniels? So now you're basing your guy's success on someone else's success. And so now it's almost like, Ocho, you're looking at somebody else, you're basing your marriage on someone else's.

Okay, they look happy, but you don't know. You don't know what they put into their marriage to be happy. You don't know what, how they're coaching said player. You don't know how he receives information. You don't understand how he processes information. So with all that being said,

you're looking at it, you're just looking at like, well, damn, I see, look at his numbers and look at my quarterback number. It's not that black and white. It's not that cut and dry. There's a lot of, there are a lot of other things that go into it,

whether or not a player will be successful. And now I got, to like, okay, like you said, okay, be patient. Well, that's where you do your homework. And if you take it a project, you have to be patient. You can't expect them to come out and be like C.J. Straub. You can't expect him to be like a Jane Daniels. You can't expect him to be like Caleb Williams,

a guy that started at Oklahoma, what was it, Oklahoma, and then he follows a Lincoln ride in the USC. You can't expect that. That man got 30 plus stars on his bill. you got half that Jane Daniel got like damn 50 starts you don't have that so if you if it's like it's like a car

an old school car you just can't slap it together when people say they're doing a rebuild on a car they're going to take their time and do it it's going to take them years but the problem is is that I have other cars I can drive so I'm not counting

on this car so I can take my time Oh, Cho. Bro, this pro sports. They're not waiting. They're not waiting. Those days of, oh, if two or three years, man, look here, I might be dead. They're like, I might be dead. I might have done sold a team.

I'm not waiting no two or three years. I need you to get it right now. And when you don't get it right, you're not going to have too many guys that you select in the top five and they don't pan out. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal. College Football Podcast.

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