Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Bengals-Commanders + Browns name week 1 starter + Joey Bada$$ Joins | Nightcap

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Cincinnati Bengals vs the Washington Commanders preseason game, the Cleveland Browns have named their week 1 starter, and Joey Badass joins the show and much more! 02:30 - Browns name Flacco starter07:38 - Cam Ward gets into scuffle at camp11:25 - Jimmy Johnson prevented Dynasty Cowboys from eating after loss 18:36 - Coach Prime sets punishment for hitting QB26:02 - Joey Bada$$ joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The 40-year-old, we making his first week one start since 2022, when he's winning. with the Jets. TBD on the rest of the depth chart. Kenny Pickett has not played since he tweaked that hamstring. Dillon Gabriel got the start on Saturday. Shador did not play because of an oblique injury. He started the first regular preseason game. And Tyler Snoop Huntley is also on the list.

Adam Schaefter said this morning, I expect the Cleveland Browns to carry four quarterbacks on the 53-man roster. Wow. That doesn't normally happen. It's just, I think they're afraid that if they let one of these guys go, somebody's going to snatch them up. You'd probably like to probably, you know, cut them and then have them come back on the practice squad,

but they don't feel they can do that. They feel that if they were to release Gabriel, excuse me, release Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, somebody would sign them to their active roster, and you don't want to run that risk. A guy that's been in your program for the better part of six months, April, since the draft. So you don't want to run.

that risk. Excuse me, guys. But I don't think any of us are surprised that Joe Flacko got named the starter. He didn't play, but Stafansky did. The head coach Kevin Stafansky did say they're going to treat this as a dress rehearsal or what they might do in week one. So Joe Flacco is going to get the start for the final preseason game. And we'll see how that works out.

But I don't think we're surprised. I don't think any of you are surprised that Joe Flacko is named the starter. you look at Kenny Pickett. He has not been able to do anything, any team drills since he tweaked that hamstring early, early in training camp. Obviously, Dylan Gabriel was Nick the first, you know, for about 10, 11 days. Then he came back. Shador played really well the first game. Then he got an oblique injury.

He was out. And then Dylan Gabriel took it over. And then he played fairly well. I mean, he had a pick. But I don't think either guy did anything since, I mean, look. You are where you are. I mean, some people say, well, Dylan Gabriel is played better. I haven't heard anybody say that, but some people like Dylan Gabriel and think what he brings to the table.

I was listening to somebody today said, Dylan Gabriel, those have a stronger arm, those with better anticipation. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that or believe that. It's going to be a very tough decision. But in order for them to carry four quarterbacks, that means they're not really sure. and they don't want to make the mistake. Nobody wants to make the mistake and get up one of these quarterbacks, have him go somewhere else and play really, really well

when we had him in our foals. So that's what I deduce from that. Cleveland put themselves in a bind by, you know, signing Joe Flacko to a one year. I think they traded for Kenny Pickett and then selecting two quarterbacks, one in the third, one in the fifth, and you find yourself in a situation

because none of these quarterbacks really have separated themselves from the rest of the guys. guys. Pickett didn't really get a chance to separate himself because he's been injured for the better part of training camp. And so I don't know, does he start? I don't think he's on Pup. How is he progressing, Nash? Do we know anything about how he's progressing? Be interesting to see. I don't think you put him on Pup because you put him on Pup. He's going to put him down for six weeks. I don't think it's going to take that much length of time. He'd be out almost three months with a hamstring injury.

Wow. So we're coming up on a month. Funny that you say that because Justin Jefferson just returned to practice and he was out for 25 days. And we're going to talk about that in a little bit. But these hamstrings are very, very tricky. You want to err on the side of caution. The last thing you want to do is miss that amount of time. Come back and tweak it again because you're probably going to double the amount of time that you're going to miss moving forward. So Cleveland Brown's name Joe Flacko as their starting quarterback.

They did not give a depth chart after Joe Flack. Normally it was Kenny Pickett, 2, Dylan Gabriel 3, and Shadour Sanders 4. But I guess that's in the next couple of days. We'll find out. We'll see how healthy Shadour is. Is that oblique healed well enough for him to get some action in the final preseason game? We'll see. But Joe Flacco, name starter for the Cleveland Browns to start the 2025 season.

Titans quarterback, Cam Ward, got into a scuffle with D.E. Jeffrey Simmons and Cam. Cam Ward and defensive lineman Jeffrey Simmons got into a scuffle on Monday. War threw a touchdown pass to Calvin Ridley. Toward the end of practice and went over to celebrate. The rookie quarterback stopped, gave Simmons a shove

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Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow. now on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i think we kind of had a conversation we kind of had a conversation about this a couple of days ago i wish ocho's a connection would get fixed because this is what i want i wanted to ask him um i think both guys need to be smarter in a situation like this that's your starting quarterback you're only going to go as far as he's

take your jeffrey uh uh so you look you don't want to do anything to hurt that guy um he's the number one overall draft pick and all your hopes and aspirations are pinned on his shoulder now um cam that's your team mate you know i mean come on and uh been a long day at practice they said this happened towards the end of practice and anytime like that you know guys are frustrated i didn't want i didn't want you to i didn't want you to score but you uh you stop in my you stop and celebrating my face you know i'm not feeling to I'm not feeling too well that that might be the reaction that you get. But normally teammates, I couldn't imagine, to be honest with you,

have John celebrated? Yeah, absolutely. But I couldn't imagine an offensive lineman, I mean, excuse me, defensive linemen doing something like that to seven. I don't remember being on a team where a defensive player would do that to the quarterback, understanding how important the quarterback is to the team's success, especially the starting quarterback, maybe the second or third team, something like that. But the starting quarterback,

nah, I can honestly say in my 14 years, I've never been in a situation where I've seen something quite like what's being reported coming out of Tennessee where the quarterback throws a touchdown pass late in the ball game. He shoves Jeffrey Simmons. I don't know why he shoved Jeffrey Simmons, but if you shove one guy, you should probably expect to shove back. I'm just surprised that he shoved Simmons to begin with. Maybe I shouldn't be as surprised that Simmons shoved him back.

Because at that point in time, I'm not looking at you as a quarterback. I'm looking at somebody that shoved me and I'm going to shove you back. Shup, glad he didn't know. Nobody got injured. The offensive lineman did what they were supposed to do. Run to Cam Ward's defense. That's what's supposed to happen. Somebody attacks your quarterback.

You come hell of high water. You defend that guy. Right, wrong, or indifferent. You defend your quarterback. We'll address it and we'll figure it out later. Hey, man, don't do that. Hey, you too valuable. Don't get into no, you know, no shoving matches.

say anything to those guys, let them do all that talking. We don't have to worry about that. But I haven't, I can honestly say I haven't never, I've never seen a situation in my years of being around football when I was at Denver, when I was at Baltimore, and when I went back to Denver. I don't remember that happened in high school. I don't remember it happened in college. Not to say that it haven't happened.

I haven't been around and saw, I haven't seen every situation that arises on a practice field or in a locker room. But I like to speak to the things that I've seen and I can speak clearly. intelligent on it. But this must have been something that was brewing for a significant time. And emotions ran high. And I guess Cam Ward shoves Jeffrey Simmons. And Jeffrey Simmons, like, I don't know who you think you are.

I understand you the starting quarterback. You're the first overall pick. But now I'm going to throw that out the window, shove you in the face. So hopefully nobody got injured. Glad no punches. Hopefully no punches were thrown. Nobody damaged a hand or wrist or fist or anything like that. And they're going to be good to go for the final preseason game,

Friday, Saturday, or whenever these guys play. And then hopefully everybody goes into the season healthy and with no lingering injuries. But I guess we live in a different time now. Jimmy Johnson recalls not letting the Cowboys eat on a plane after loss on the next in his Netflix show. The former Dallas Cowboy head coach revealed during a clip and Netflix America's team, the gambler and his cowboys that he once prevented the team from eating a meal on a flight home

following a loss. After that loss, we got on the plane, I'm just fuming because the way we played. So the flat attendants start to serve and I say, no, no meal. They don't deserve to eat. I want to be naughty. I want to be nauseated to be sick to their stomach when they lose because that's how I felt. is this what's been missing from the Cowboys today, a leader that wants to win so badly that he'll take your food away.

That's not uncommon. Dan Reeves, that happened to us. We lost the ball game, and he took lunch away. Like, I ain't paying for y'all to eat. Y'all hungry. Y'all go get your own damn food. So it's never happened on a plane. And, man, you got to realize, like,

when you go to get on that plane because you haven't probably eaten since pre-game. And according to when the game was, so, you know, you play the early game, you play it at 1 o'clock East Coast time, and you get on the plane to fly back home, you haven't eaten probably since 10 o'clock, 10.30 at the absolute latest for a 1 o'clock game.

And then by the time you get on, by the time you get, because they give you an hour. After the game, you got an hour to basically get from the field to the locker room, get shower, do your interviews, get to the bus, bus get to the airport, go on the tarmac, you get off. Normally that takes about an hour, about 60, 70 minutes. So think about how long that's been. Now you're on a plane.

Now I don't know where they were coming back from to get to Dallas. Let's just say it's New York. And you haven't eaten till 10 since 10. That's a long time. And now you understand why the Cowboys were how they were. Jimmy trimmed the fat. There was no excess fat. with the Dallas Cowboys when Jimmy played.

And you see? Now, if a coach probably tried to do that now, Jerry said, nah, let them eat. And then guess what? Team's going to eat. But that's old school coaches. I don't know. I don't even know if that'll fly now.

Chad, y'all think that would fly now? I don't think that would fly now. Man, I think the players would lose their damn minds. If a coach said, nah, we're not going to eat. Nobody's going to eat on the plane home. that's old school coaching that's that's the way they did it in the probably 70s 80s and 90s like I said not on the plane but lunch it happened and you made sure if you lost the game you gave better effort

because I think the thing is what Jimmy said I wouldn't I wasn't happy with the yeah we lost it I'm ticked off that we lost the game but I didn't like the effort that we gave in losing the game because you know you're not going to win every game but sometimes the effort you saw yesterday uh the bills lost what 38 nothing and you see McDermott had a problem he was upset uh with them so uh it's uh it's tough it's tough there's an expectation that when you play especially when you got the cowboys you're talking about emit you're talking about Troy you're talking about uh Michael Irvin and Charles Haley I mean they were all those Hall of Famers there's an expectation that when you when you take that field

you win this game and if even if you're don't win, how you play is as important. And Jimmy, clearly, clearly, but this is Jimmy Johnson. Like I said, there is no excess fat when Jimmy Johnson is your head coach, be it Oklahoma State, be at Miami, be at Dallas, Miami, hey, you got to get it. You got to get it. Jimmy Johnson going to get it out of you. Whatever you got in, Jimmy's going to get it out of you.

So I'm not surprised that he said this. I'm not surprised because, you know, talking to some of the guys, they, they, like, hey, Jimmy, Jimmy cracked the whip. Jimmy was not a guy. Jimmy did not BS. Jimmy was hardcore. You know what to expect. There's a lot of guys. Look, as long as I know what to expect, I'm cool.

You go to, it's probably a little different. If you never had a coach like that, I mean, that's all Emmett knew. That's a lot, what a lot of these guys knew. So it probably wasn't a big thing. It would probably be different if you've been somewhere else and it's not even close to that for six, seven years, and then you come to that. Like I said, it's always easier to be tough and lighten up

as opposed to lighten and then try to toughen up because guys look at you a certain way. Having Dan Reeves is my coach, an old school guy that learned, cut his teeth under Tom Landry, practices were hard, training camp was hard. So I know anyone that I got after Coach Reeves was going to be a piece of cake. Ain't no way training camp and practices and could be any more difficult than what I had

already had gone through for three years. But I'm not surprised by that. I'm going to make sure I watch this because I want to see, you know, you've heard a little bit of the stories, but to hear Emmett and here, you know, obviously talking to Emmett and we came out together in 19, not in the Playmaker and our good friends, but to hear Jimmy from his own mouth, to hear Troy, hear some of the other guys talk about it. Coach Prime is in it. to hear some of these guys talk about it,

that's going to be, I think it's going to be very, very good. And it explains to you why the Cowboys had the success that they had in the early 90s, especially under Jimmy. They had a down year in 94, where they didn't have a down year. They went to the NFC championship game. And then they bounced back in 95 when they get coach,

get time to come over from San Francisco. They win the Super Bowl in 95. And it's kind of been, hadn't been back to a championship game since they went to the Super Bowl and won it 95 season, in 96. So we're approaching 30 years in which the Cowboys have not went gone

whatever terminology you want to use to an NFC championship game. That's a long time when you talk about America's team and when you talk about some of the better players that they've assembled on that team. You look at the all pros, you look at the Pro Bowl players that they

consistently have year and a year out. There's no excuse for why the Cowboys haven't gone to an NFC championship game, at least multiple considering some of the teams that have gone into an NFC championship game. So I think a lot of you guys are Cowboy fans or Cowboys haters want to see why the Cowboys were so successful in the early 90s. And I think watching this will give you a glimpse into why, how he practiced, how they met.

Hopefully they tell the story about the guy that Jimmy, I know, I'm sure they are going to tell the story about Jimmy Cutter guy that fell asleep in a meeting. And, well, he cut one guy because he fumbled the football last game of the season. So they cut him. And then they cut another guy they cut because he fell asleep in the meeting. And a reporter asked him, ask him if that was Troy that had fallen asleep in the meeting. When he cut him, he said, no, I'd woke him up. Just go to show you treat everybody fair, but you don't treat everybody the same.

That's Jimmy. Coach Prime sets his punishment for any player that hits the quarterback, For the players who violate the rule, consequences range from up-down, stadium runs, etc. This is definitely an old-school way of disciplined players, but do you think this style of punishment can work in the NIL era, where guys may transfer from one up-down? Who-wee. Yeah, I don't know if this style of punishment worked

because I think some guys are already looking. You can't really coach a kid. Now you coach a kid hard. He'll jump into transfer portal. Somebody offered him $50 more than what you're paying him and you ticked him off. He didn't get as many reps as he thought. He didn't get as many targets as he thought.

He didn't play as many plays as he thought. They jump in the portal now. This is real business. This is like a real job. Like, I'm on a job and I don't like my boss. I quit and go find me another job. Leave you high and dry. And that's just the era that we live in, living in now.

You know, but Coach Prime is he's trying to get his point across. The last thing that you want to do is hurt is have your players hurt one another. I'm glad to see our technical difficulty guy is joining us. You got us, Ocho? Yeah, boy. I'm sick than the motherfucker. can you hear me yeah i got you yeah yeah how about how about how about how about them boys and i boy y'all defense steals some trash wait a minute wait a minute now let's let's let's let's not do that

let's not do that now we look we look very bad on the first two's ride that the commander's had the ball they took their starters out but we look better we look better from that point on let's be optimistic let's be optimistic about the situation oh joe did you see how did you see how they ran down the field on y'all yeah yeah i like i can i can tell you who blew the assignment i can tell you who blew the diamond who blew the mic the mic the mic he'd scrape over the top he went underneath you know you can't get there underneath and all the all the bad shooting the gab on he's trying to put the ray louis on him what are we doing what are we doing and they did it twice did it twice and the guy bounced right outside and he gone we had a conversation last night i said oh cho i want to see their

backs and it'll give us a better understanding why Brian Robinson Jr. is on the trade block. Well, we see why he's on the trade block. We saw those two backs from Washington. Now it makes sense. I don't know how much you can speak for yourself, but it makes a lot of a ton of sense to me. It does make sense, but obviously, Brian Robinson, we've seen what he can do. And I just saw some reports obviously doing my little homework talking about he runs a little bit timid, not hitting the hole and just stuff like that. I'm not sure if the injury history is probably a cause of that. But obviously they like the young bulls,

especially Bill. He doesn't want to be called Jacob. His name is Bill. Bill. Bill. Hold on. He got to be. Rodriguez?

No, no, the other one. The other one. Oh, O Koski. Because what's his full name? The one that Jane Daniels got the ball back for? Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Okay. See, say you want to be called Bill? I'm calling Bill. Okay. Yeah, you look at it. I mean, 30 Russia, Tim's Ocho for 185 yards and two touchdowns. I mean, you look at it. The two top guys, 17 rushes between the two of them for 108 yards.

And y'all got, look, Lovu, everybody in the stadium, everybody at home knew the Bengals were not going to snap that ball at the 38-yard line on fourth and three, except you. Yeah. And you jumped off sides. everybody nobody when they start doing all that motion when they bring the guy outside they bring him to the backfield then they sprint him out there they're not running no play bro they're trying to get you to jump off sides and you did it yeah i get oh cho we get new ink uh uh the eagles last year remember on the goal line and he jumped outside like five times four five times in a row and and the officials say that you know if you keep doing this we're just going to award them to score i get i'm going to Okay, fine. They're going to score anyway. But in a situation like this,

these kind of plays to get your beat. Because guess what happened, Joe? Didn't it go right down the field and score a touchdown? Yes, we did. Yes, we did. I want to talk about how good our offense look, except that second series. That second series with Joe Burrow and the number two's.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know why he did that. Joe, no better. Pull back all the running and scraming that. Yeah, throw that thing away, Joe. Because you don't want to take any unnecessary hits. That's their punishment, yeah. And then he got bailed out again because O'Brown got beat and why just having a horse call him. They're going to have to do a better job of protecting Joe.

But also your offense has to look good because that's where all your money is. So wherever your money is, that's the side of that's the side of the football you're really going to have to win on. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, look at the Broncos when we play in the 90s, TV, myself, John, Zim, Rod. Yeah. So that's where the money was. So that's where we had to be.

That's where we had to be. Yeah. So, yeah, I thought your offense, you know, Joe was, I mean, Joe was what, 9 of 14, 62 yards. Jake Browning came in. But Jake Browning, you know, he plays well. When asked and given the opportunity, Ocho, he plays well, 16 to 25, 159, two touchdowns. Desmond Ritter came in there through one pass. He was one-on-one for seven yards.

But. And they were going down to field again. and then Josh Johnson threw a horrible interception. Yeah. Oh, Josh. Where that's my dog there, man. Good to see Josh still out there, man, working and working and working.

I like it. Yeah, yeah. Hey, he doesn't, I mean, hey, he, he don't collect his own jerseys. And he ain't got no other player. He ain't got no other player's jersey. You know, you trade jerseys, don't you? Yeah.

And I just collect my own. He got my 14. Mm-hmm. I think he's, uh, he's been on 16 to the 32 teams 16 to the 32 damn yeah oh yeah i like it so hey so if he ever want to coach he know somebody somebody somewhere hey absolutely absolutely and listen when you when you played that when you played that long at that position they will definitely give you a job oh no is he signing it was that who's that who's that uh uh our special

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When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier. And we watched Badaway against Chile, pouring rain, just watching the fans jumping up and down. I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow. Now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man, I'm doing good. How you doing?

Man, I got to say, like, y'all really shoot the show this late? Yeah, every time? Yeah, yeah, man. Let me ask you, y'all in L.A., huh? Nah, I'm in, I'm in Miami. I'm in Miami. Oh, you're in Miami. Oh, okay, you see, Miami, you know, that's that nightlife right there.

No, no, no, no, no. I don't, hey, Joe, Joe, I don't do the nightlife. I don't do the nightlife. So I take a nap during the day, so I'm able to get up, you know, to be able to do the show. Okay. You see, you understand the program. I don't understand the program. So I'm like, I'm over here fighting sleep.

I'm like, yo. Well, I mean, like you're in that green room. I mean, like you're developing pictures or something. Like you work for code. Damn. My studio room right here. It's like, you know, part of my ceilings, right? I had a little leak.

Now, you're all good. But check it out. I never fixed it because I was like, you know what? I like that. That kind of remind me in like the old days, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. Keep you hungry. I keep it raw.

I keep it raw. Tell us a little bit about the album. So, yeah, Lonely at the top is out August 29th. You know, this project is, it was made in a short amount of time. I want to say this is probably like the. the fastest I've made a body of work. You know, I mean, a lot of things transpired for me this year musically, and it was really just kind of pushing my pen, you know what I mean,

in a way where it's just like, you know, I'm just kind of eager to get the music out. You know, lonely at the top means to me is like, you know, kind of looking around and you being at the top of your success and you realize, like, you know, how much isolation you find it on the other side you know what I'm saying like I'm sure you guys can relate but like being on that life journey and you know you're dealing with things like survivors guilt and you know you want everybody to come and things like that but what you find on that other side you know for you for you to make it is like you know sometimes it's a it's an isolating feeling you know what I'm saying

because you got you got to block so many things out to maintain that balance you know what I mean So that's kind of like what this collection of music feels like for me It's kind of like a reflection of where I am today Right now. Yeah. You get that a lot, you know, coming from the background, And I'm sure we kind of all come from very similar background. But no matter how big a bus is, no matter how big a plane is,

there are X amount of seats. And everybody ain't meant to fly on that flight. Somebody meant to catch the next one. Everybody ain't meant to get on that bus. They meant to catch the next one. And so what we have to do was hard sometimes is figuring out who's supposed to be a passenger on our bus. Absolutely. Who's supposed to be a passenger on our plane.

You know, that's, that's, because you do feel bad because you're like you said, you've been around a lot of these people your damn entire life. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, I got, I got the analogy that I use is like the Aladdin's purple carpet. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you got a hundred motherfuckers on there with you, like, you ain't going. nowhere. Yeah, it ain't going to take off.

It should barely levitating off the ground. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to go to the mountain top. So it's like, you know, I got to keep it light. You know what I mean? So I could, I could ascend and everything. Yeah. Hey, Joe, but how do you balance that?

How do you balance that? Obviously, coming from where you come from, most of us have the same background and those that we grew up. But once we start to ascend in our respective craft and whatever is that we do, a lot of people are trying to go along with us, they complain. Oh, you hate, you ain't real no more. you're not taking me on this journey that you self has been working to do. So how have you been

able to navigate with those when you have an album coming out it's lonely at the top, but those that feel that they deserve to go along with you. Well, you know, if I'm being completely honest and completely transparent, I think that I am still on the journey of learning how to balance that. You know what I'm saying? I think

I think it is a matter of continuing to find that balance. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, different things do it. I think the strongest thing is putting God first, you know, like that is my grounding factor right there. It's like, you know, remembering God as often as I can on the daily and, you know, remembering that this journey is, it's a, it's a predestined path, if you will, you know what I mean? And it's just like I am doing what I can at each given point in this journey, applying the wisdom that I can to to make the best moves.

You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes you might look like, you know, could I have done that better? But you know what? That's part of the growth as well. You know what I'm saying? That's part of like reflection and all that. It's part of it.

But sure. Yeah. You're one of those old, like, now I don't know how many true lyricists that we have. When I, you know, and I hate saying this. Not enough. It's not enough. That's my point.

Because it used to be, you know, you had the KRS1, you had to, you had Kane, you had Rock Him, you had LL, you had Slick Rick, you had the Scarfaces, you had guys that was lit, that was literally on point. And now, you know, it's different, but you want to take it back because, you know, a lot of the, the OG lyricists originated Brooklyn, the Boogie Down Bronx, KRF1, all those guys. So. Mecca, yep, mecca, yeah. Absolutely. Do you feel that's what's missing from hip-hop? I would say that, first of all, I'll say that I don't like to look at it as I'm taking it back. I like to look at it as like I'm taking it forward. Okay, you're advancing it.

I'm living in this time. You know what I'm saying? And there's a Nina Simone quote that, like, has always resonated with me. She said, like, you know, music is going to reflect the times. I'm paraphrasing it but you know something along the lines of that and I always kind of stay cognizant of that because I think that

we are in an interest in time which is why the musical landscape looks the way that it does because as a society we are prioritizing certain things and that's coming out in our subcultures if you will like especially

the music but if anything I look at it as a purposeful position to be where I'm at and to represent what I represent because like, you know, in a world full of just like godless behavior

and just vanity and stuff like that. You know, I try to keep my balance by spreading a message when I can and being purposeful when I can and upholding a certain level of skill, effort into my craft. Hey, when you talk about that skill and effort and being able to maintain that balance

when to come to being a lyricist, the sound of music in general, from the 80s to the 90s to the 2000s, obviously to date 2020-10 to now, the sound changes every 10 years. Has it difficult for you to adjust to what the sound is at the time, or do you just stick to your guns

and say, listen, I don't care how, what it sounds like right now, I'm going to stick to what I've always done and what has worked for me. And all transparency, I've definitely found myself at certain points in my journey you know trying to adapt if you will but like you know where i'm at now i think i'm at a space

where it's like i don't i no longer necessarily care to adapt i think what's important to me is being as authentic and true to myself as possible because i feel like in 2025 it's like that's the best thing that you can do like you know with with the internet like i think it was a little bit different back in the day because it was all about like you know with you was from and things like that. But I think the internet kind of allows for people to be a little bit more expressive and not be so bound by, like, where they are or where the culture is. You know what I mean?

It's like we have, you know, people with classic sounds reemerged. Like you said, it's like the game changes every 10 years, but it also comes back every 20. You know what I'm saying? History repeats itself in an interesting way. So I think, you know, right now my focus is definitely just, what is my authentic voice at this time? What is true to me at this time? What do I want to convey? How do I want to convey it at this time?

And I think that I use that as my God in light, my North Star and not like what the landscape of the game is per se. Like there's a small awareness of that, obviously, because you got to know the league that you win. You know what I mean? You guys can relate to that. You know what I'm saying? You got to know what I'm saying? playing field or whatever but for the most part i play my game you know but that got that has to be hard because if you do something over and over again it's like i wish you give us something new and when

you give them something new i wish they give i wish you go back to the old stuff because i see that a lot of times guys like man i wish you would do something else and when they do something else now all of a sudden man i want that oh i like the old stuff so how does someone evolve if every time they give you something that you're not used to seeing. It seems like to me that the only person that they allowed to evolve was Beyonce, because she went from one genre to a whole new genre

and got more people and got women wearing cowboy boots and cowboy hats and Daisy Duke stood to concert again. But when it comes to rap and other genres, they won't let that artist get out of that box. It's more pitching hold. Yeah, yeah. I definitely agree with that. I think

you know, you got to do your role in blocking out the noise. Okay. Because, you know, what I've learned is that fans are fickle. You know what I'm saying? Like what Jay said is like, they love you, then they hate you,

then they love you again. You know what I'm saying? It's like they don't know what you want, what they want. So I feel like as an artist, you always got to be doing for you. You know what I'm saying? Whatever is true for you at the time.

And even if, because I'm definitely big and big on that idea of not making the same regurgents, thing and taking risk, I enjoy taking risk, you know what I'm saying, and being experimental. Like, I enjoy when I play a song for somebody and somebody's like, that's you? Like that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, okay, yeah, you know, okay, you like that surprise. Yeah, because it's like, okay, like, I've, I did something that you didn't think I could do. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, I'm breaking the mold that you may have over me in your mind. You know what I'm saying? You didn't know I could go there, but at the same time, it's still me. if you will you know what I mean but yeah like I said just to answer

the question is short though you got to do for you you know it's funny too because I was just kind of having a mental thought and I'm like

damn like who do I make music for and I'm like you know what I really can generally say that I make music for me like I make the music

that from my experience and that like I kind of want to listen to or I want to drive my car to or I want to feel fly to you know i mean and then it's like everybody else is kind of secondary and i know that might

feel that might sound a little funny but that is that was the thought that i had when i made my first body of work like there was nobody there was no audience there was no fans it was just me and my four walls and i'm like this is dope like i think this is tight you know what i'm saying so i stay i try to stay as close to that that place listen as long as you've been in the game and all the work that you've done over the years, I understand the politics that comes into the music industry. It's a very, very fickle, very, very, very dangerous industry from a political standpoint.

If there's one that you would love to work with, that you haven't worked with, who would it be? I would love to work with Pharrell. I mean, I don't take the rooms because my phone is about to die telling me I was playing asleep for real. But, yeah, Ferrell is definitely somebody who I've always wanted to work with. And we've crossed paths many times.

We just haven't been able to. Damn, Joy, did you pay your light bill? Oh, did I pay? You funny. Yeah, damn. If I ain't know, that's where you're like, he ain't leaking over that thing. Get a cattle or something.

Yo, I don't think you heard. I don't think you understand. Like, it's bedtime over here. you know what i'm saying like lights is out oh yeah you know where you where you live at i'm on the east coast okay okay okay yeah yeah so i'm up in new york okay yeah yeah well you at the you are at the uh the birthplace the mecca of hip hop give me some of your early influences who who was influential to that joy like you know what i want to do that oh j nice um big E. M.F. Doom.

Pock. Black Moon. Dang. A J. R. R. R. R. A. R. R. A. R.M. Damager. I was a big J.R.M. B., man. Shit. Little little. A shit. Even more new generation. A little bow wow. I was a kid in that era. So, like, seeing little bow wow do his thing, did a lot for me. because I was like, oh, shit, I could, I could do that. You know what I mean?

Yeah. People sleep with my boy, sad. Sad deserves way more. Oh, yeah, you know, but I was like that. Yeah, he had a, he had a beautiful. He had a nice run, boy. He had a real nice run. Hey, Joe, you listen to battle rap?

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love battle rap. You know what I mean?

My man, Loaded Lux. Lucks. Yeah, I just had a back and forth with the homie Daylight earlier this year, you know. Daylight, Dottie is probably on my top five battle rappers as well, along with the other two names I mentioned. Yeah, I love the battle rap culture, man. Yeah, I love that.

So what's going on? What's going on with you in the West Coast? What's going on? Yeah. Oh, we cool. We cool. We had a little, you know, lyrical squabble. Yeah.

But, you know, it wasn't about nothing. It was just, you know, anybody wanting to show that they the best. Right. You know, so, yeah, we got down a little bit. It was fun, but it was. I just didn't know you guys were still on that type of time. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, listen, it was all in good faith, and I'm grateful for that.

You know what I mean? I made a statement at the beginning of the year, and one of my records and some rappers on the West Coast took offense to it. I didn't mean offense to it, but at the same time, I respected their perspective. Right. And, you know, we pretty much just traded some bars. Like it. Made the better, may the better pin win.

May the better pin win. Indeed. Indeed. Indeed. Do you kick it with, I mean, do you kick it with anybody or you're soloist? Um, I am by nature now. in this phase of my life, I do, I am solo a lot, but yeah, yeah, like, when you say anybody, you mean, like, rapper friends type of thing?

Yeah, yeah, you got, you know, the homie that you kick it with, you know, that's in the game. You know, J.R.D. is a great friend of mine. Okay. Corday is a great friend of mine. Okay. Asap, Ferg, Denzel Curry. Like, those are, those are my guys for real. And then it's like, you know, I got a bunch of people just scattered throughout the industry. that like, you know, a really solid individuals and I've been rocking with for a long time for sure. But, you know, you know how it is, like, you know,

I said, man, you get to a certain age. It's just not what it was in the early 20s and of your teenage years when it's like you hang with people every day and stuff like that. It's like, we all got our own. The older I get that, you know, the older, you see, once you get to a certain age, you get to pick your friends. It's like when you, you know, you were in elementary school,

junior high and high school and everybody just surrounded. Oh, that's my friend, that's my friend. Right, right. As you get older, you get to pick your friend. Absolutely. And you know that you pick less and less of them. Yeah, that's true. That's true, man.

You got less time, you got less time to vet them. No, that's the fact. I've always heard this saying, pick your friends like you pick your fruit. Because, I'll be in the fruit aisle in the grocery store for a minute, like looking through. Yeah, that's why you got to wash your fruit when you get home. You hear what he's saying? He doesn't thumped it. He doesn't toast it up like it's a tennis ball.

Yeah, you got to watch that apollo. Hey, so check this out. You made your television, television acting debut on a U.S. network. You tried to do any more acting? Oh, not trying, brother. I am doing. Oh, you doing?

I am absolutely doing, yeah. I got some projects in the works right now that I can't necessarily reveal at the moment, but I'm excited to share them when I can reveal Like this really big project, I'm really excited about that shoots in Paris next year. Probably going to be like, you know, one of my, I feel like this could be like, you know, my real magnum obis in the film TV world, you know, inshallah. But, yeah, you know, Raising Canaan, we still got one more season to go for that.

That's been a pleasure. And then I had the Netflix short a few years ago, Two Distinguishes that won the Oscar. and yeah a couple of projects in development as well so acting is definitely something that you know i take serious yeah do us we want you to do it as a favor you know ocho is a is a lyricist he goes to you know do open i mean i know you remember the movie love jones yeah tray uh tray laurence tay excuse me uh and uh nealong so ocho has been you know going to these you know just open, you know, these spoken words. Where, yeah, yeah.

So, Joey, grade it. We're going to let you grade them because, you know, you're the professor and the lyricist and great penmanship. So grade, Ocho's spoken word. Let's go, Ocho, let's do it. Hey, listen, Joey, my pen is like that. Hold on. Stay left.

Let me get in character. I'm under the weather right now. Let me get in character. I bet. Do you think, do you think, big dog? Long summer nights, they all come to play. They walk across the streets, acting like a stray. She has an umbrella, but it's not even raining.

That's it. Thank you. Hey, hey, I'm going to give you one of those, man. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. You got to keep you classy, man. The funny thing about it, the funny thing about it is people will hear what I just said and not be able to visualize what I'm talking about.

There's a message behind that. But unless you, unless you in that mode, in that spirit and had that vision, you'll never understand what I say. So you go back and listen to it again with your eyes closed. Then the people in the chat, you understand what I'm going with it. Then it comes to life. Bingo, yeah. Yeah, everybody can't.

They don't. have my vision. Anybody can't go. Anybody can get on that plane, but we just talked. We just talked about that. He has a tour, dark aura,

starts off 25 city, headlining kicks off October 16th in Boston. New album drops August 29th, lonely at the top. Joy Badass, stop back by and talk to her sometime.

And let me ask you this. Let's do it. Who you got this year? Who are you team and why? Who's my team? Um, basketball? Football. Oh, like, you guys probably hate me when I say this,

but I don't really watch football, bro. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I don't know. I'm the wrong person to talk to it. I don't know what's going on in football. Who are your basketball team there? Who are your who team? Um, man, like, I'm always rooting for LeBron, man.

I'm always moving for the bra. I'm a big LeBron fan, man. There you go. That's what we talk about. We're going to get you out here. We're going to get you out of here on that one. Joy, man, best of luck. Continue success, man.

Stop back by and see us sometime, bro. Absolutely. Sorry we're so late, but this was we came on after the game today. Next time, I'm going to make sure I get my power nap in like old choke said. I'll make sure. Yeah, yeah. We appreciate that, bro. Thanks for joining us.

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