Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Bills staying perfect with TNF win over Dolphins + Fred Kerley joins to discuss joining the Enhanced Games

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the AFC East clash between the Miami Dolphins and Buffalo Bills! Later, Olympic gold medalist Fred Kerley joins the show to talk track & field greatness, and WWE Superstar Seth Rollins stops by to discuss life in the ring and beyond & much more! 3:23 - Bills beat Dolphins13:00 - Reports of Dolphins players being late to meetings30:10 - Antonio Pierce, "Foolish" to think Tom Brady won't help Raiders38:55 - Fred Kerley joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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it's good to be right. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch the Miami Dolphins lose for the third time this season, the Buffalo Bills run their record to a perfect 3-0. thanks to a score of 31-21, Josh Allen three touchdown passes, and two very costly mistakes by the Miami Dolphins

in this ball game, late in this ball game, really doomed their chances of potentially winning this game. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host, Liberty City's Own, Bengals Ring of Fame, Honorary, Madden, Rating Adjuster, Pro Bowl, the Hall of, Ring of Famer, all pro, he's Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Listen, please make sure you hit that subscribe button.

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out that link is pinned in the chat we got very special guests joining us tonight we got Olympic silver medalists in the 100 meters, world champion gold medalists in the 100 meters. Fred Curley joins us, and we got WWE heavyweight champion superstar, Seth Rawlins, joining us a little later. But Ocho, the ball game, for a moment we felt like the Dolphins could pull the upset, but two very, very critical mistakes, Ocho. The Dolphers are now O and three. Buffalo Bills run their perfect, keep their record perfect thanks to a three and Ocho, I tweeted

this. I don't know what that D-Line would try to block the punt. Ocho, you had just scored offensively. You had just stopped them three and out defensively. You're about to get the football back. Why? And two, I don't know what two or so. But go ahead and take it away, Ocho.

What would you see? Listen, we went out there. We played a good first half. We played a very good first half. We played competitive football. As opposed to everybody else, you know, are we playing the Buffalo Bills? The Buffalo Bills, they're going to run aside the stadium.

We competed. We played good football on both sides of the ball. No turnovers. No turnovers in the first half. True, correct, yes. None. None. Good.

Good. You're good. We're still in the game. Very much so. Execute and play good defense. No mistakes. When you know you have a team that's better than you, you already owe into it. When you know you have a team that's better than you, you can't have any mental mistakes.

Brooks, you got the sea on your chest. It was third down. You drop Josh Allen, you tackle Josh Allen all the way down to the floor. What are we doing? You gave him another set of downs and another officer series. Yep. Siegler, detackle, you kill a center or the guard, whoever it was. A dude on the outside with a free run ain't blocking the pun.

I appreciate your effort. I appreciate your effort. Come on, you know you ain't going to get to that. You know you ain't for the block that pun. Not in that spot, Ocho. Not in that spot. Come on, what you're doing? like come on now tour the splits are condensed um the splits are already condensed your eyes tell you

everything he's stared him down the linebacker um the linebacker everybody know they teach you in pee when you hike when you get the ball keep your eyes up field so the linebacker don't know where you're going wherever you look that's what they're going to go to they're going to flow to it they're going that way. All you had to do was hold your outline straight just for a little bit. Then you know where you go in. Come on, man.

Too, you know, baby, you know better than that. Like, we was right down, we was this close. We was this close. Like, come on, man. Listen, outside of us losing, we play well outside of those three bone head mistakes. I mean, come on, man, we got to do better. I mean, reek, hey, Tarek, I know you're going to see this.

Hold tight, boy. Hold tight, he's going to get better. I'm telling you. I had days like this. I had days like this. It's going to be okay. Waddle, hold tight. Hey, Chan.

Boy, you ran your ass off the night. Boy, you hear me? You ran your ass off the night, boy. I mean, come, um, the whole game. I don't know if this was the game playing with Mike McDaniels. they had condensed splits the whole damn game damn near the whole game bump and run they up in their face i was hoping at some point because the running game was pretty decent it was pretty good i thought they were going to drop a safety lead one-on-one out there

they kept they kept two stages up there high with the press running 55 run a cover tool from press why would i why would i not run 55 against tour where are you going you right you're right I bet you won't run that against Lamar Jackson. You won't run that covered against Josh Allen. You can't. Or Jane Daniels. Who can't? Because with your back turn, he's going to come right out of the back door.

And before you sit, before he noticed, he's going to be 20 yards down the field. He touches you on your back. Turn around. I'm here. Oh, Joe, all the things you spoke about, those are the mistakes that you make when you're O and 2, about to be O and 3. You make bonehead mistakes like that. You can't get out of your own way.

As you mentioned, they played a perfect game. They got behind, came back, okay, we got a ball game. We didn't get blown out in the first half. We gave ourselves a chance in the second half. And like I said, I don't know why Siler would try to block that punt. Not in that spot, Ocho. You had just scored a touchdown. You had just gone down the field.

You take Buffalo and you make them go three and out, and you try to block the punt. What? Why? I don't know who the special team coach is. You should have told him, don't even try to block it. Well, they had defense state because that's the only reason he's on the field. So they were like, so, you know, just to make sure they don't do anything tricky,

I don't keep my defense out there, bring one returner back, somebody to go off. But I got defensive state. Okay, don't work. Don't even worry about it. Because the worst thing can happen, you run into the guy and you, well, they call it roughness because he didn't give him a chance to lane and really, they try to protect the punt and kicker from doing stuff like, trying to protect. protect them when they're up in air like that, Ocho.

But in that situation, the worst thing that could happen, happen. But when you're owing to, those are the things. Because you've got to think, Ocho, how do we get to be O'N2? Yeah. Because it's not like they don't meet. It's not like they don't have talent. Right.

You make dumb plays at the most inopportune of times, and it puts you in a bind to a. Like Ocho said, you know where you want to go with the ball. All you got to do is just, once you do, this? Where do you think the lineback are going? You follow your eyes. You follow your eyes along with the safety. Anything, anything after that second level,

wherever your eyes is, whichever way your helmet is facing, that is the way the safety is drifting. Yes. If you know it's a short throw, if you know the splits are already condensed, that means the lineback ain't got that far to go. No, he already got that right there. Because everybody already tight.

Pull the eye line straight. Then, when you're ready to throw, boom, look at the target. You go through that, you go through that. You go of that is repetitive week in and week out weekend and week out like we you know that i'm i'm i'm not a quarterback huh but i just i just know as a quarterback you want to protect your receiver how do you protect your receiver by holding your eye line so it's not a bang bang blade right there's how did have some gretel get back home they left breadcrumbs you want that you want that you want that safety that line back of the follow you leave drop them breadcrumbs which is your eyes

He's going. What you spoke, what you try to do, Ocho, is that if you wanted to flow one way, you look that way, but then you throw the opposite way. Because he's going to go where you're going to go. Because normally it's, now, unless you Matthew Stafford, you throw a no look passes and stuff like that. Now, that's a whole different story, Ocho.

But in this situation, it was really two plays that really undid what the dolphins had done tonight, because I thought they played really, really well. Two and didn't have big numbers. numbers. They did, like I said, they did a great job of getting the ball out of two of his hands. They didn't want to chance anything with that pass rush. Russo, I think Russo and Bosa. They didn't want to, F, Vanessa. They didn't want to take any chances, Ocho. So let's say, three yards here, swing past there, five, seven yards. We're not holding this ball.

Right. Because the last thing we want to do is get trapped because normally, Ocho, what happens, when two gets sacked, he doesn't have one. much grip strength the ball comes out and a lot of people a lot of people laughing oh to it listen it was a great game plan great game plan Mike McDaniel had a great game plan knowing how good that front four is knowing you have to deal with Bosa okay you know what I'm not going to put to her in a vulnerable position vulnerable position we're going to condense the splits the whole goddamn game oh they was two three yards inside the number the whole game the whole game why quick game

Get it out. Boom. If they cut the receivers, get it to the back out of the backfield. That's why everybody got to call him check down to it. Check down to her. No, he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do, which is why he was so efficient without having any turnovers until it came later in the game.

Yeah. And the running game was one of the reasons why we had success and being able to score 21 points. And we just, at the end of the game, I mean, you can't make those mistakes at the team that's owing to everything has to be perfect you want to be as perfect as possible as possible and it's just

I understand look at Siegler you were sure your effort it was the effort play I'm trying to make a play for my team but you you got to know and understand the situation and have situational awareness you're not gonna you're a detackle young bull you're 200 300 pounds you're not going to get there to block that

but I appreciate the effort who we got we I think we got the Jess next right at home I think so yeah listen I'm going to I get, I'm, listen, on, I'm going, I'm going on the limb right now. We're going to win this game because I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like Gilly. I'm coming out the goddamn tunnel with the Dolphins. You hear me?

I'm going to be the hype man this game. That's enough of this shit. That's enough of that. I'm not dealing with this no more. I'm coming out of the tunnel with the dolphins. I don't care what Mike McDaniel say. I don't care what Stephen Ross say. They need, they need me for team morale.

They need me. I'm going to hype their ass up. I'm going to give them the peck talk before. before we put the goddamn jets. Shit. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero.

We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week, that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? It looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my.

So that was my other big Colts take away. They sold that? Yes. I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. Smart for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it.

We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is Sprott. I would fight him. I would.

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So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Before the game, reports surface about players being late to meetings. Having disciplinary issues has long been an issue under Mike McDaniels. Tardiness was an issue throughout last season. one current Dolphan player said he believed some captains the past season took advantage of their role. Ramsey and Y receiver Tyreek Hill, who were two of the eight players voted captains in 2024,

were among the repeat offenders who received numerous fines throughout the season. Players were often late to practice in meetings, and with multiple team sources suggesting it reflected in lack of respect for Mike McDaniel, who was hesitant to publicly admonage players outside, of posting fines. However, one one Dolphins player who played for McDaniel in Miami said that behavior was exclusive

to the 2024 season and the issues arose when the team stopped winning games. Ramsey's behavior became a drain on the team morale according to multiple sources, including current and former players who said this action varied from being late to team activities

to outright leave in practice. Player-driven leadership has always been emphasized under McDaniel. His style is one of the current players described it, is laid back with being hands-off. Former Dolphins players who played for McDaniel said the coach was always open and vulnerable

with his players, which he thinks players misconstrued as being soft. Man. Winning cures everything, huh? I hate when stuff like this happens. You have a players coach that's a little bit lenient, and it allows you to get away with stuff and all players aren't treated equal.

You know that. All the things aren't treated equal. Now, I understand some people obviously having that see on their chest, who you are, notoriety, being a veteran, but there's certain things that you just can't do because when they see one person do it, then everybody else tries to do it.

But everybody else knows they can't get away with it based on who they are. Now, now that everybody's losing, Now that we're losing, now everybody's talking. When you're winning, it's quiet as a mouse. Ain't nobody saying nothing. Ain't nobody saying nothing. Now stuff is leaking out, players that play for Mike McDaniel.

When you get a players coach, a coach that's vulnerable, a coach that's fun, that's entertaining, that's, you know, very, like, very, very loose, like a, I'm trying to think, who can I compare like a Sean McVeigh. I'm not saying coaching style. I'm not saying coaching style. I'm just saying one that you can relate to.

He ain't Tom Coughlin. He ain't Bill Parcells, if you know what I mean. So he's a little bit more lenient. And you know, I guess you had some players that took advantage of that. And I'm not saying that the fact that players are taking advantage of why we losing. But some of those mistakes that's going on on the field is a part of discipline, huh? that's a part of discipline and when it comes to discipline

that also reflects the coaching so when there's certain things you allow like coming late and being tardy it leaks onto the fucking field and that's what we're seeing they lack leadership see come on man

see losing reveals character you see when I told you when we first first started talking to Mike Shanahan told me something and everybody, oh, shut and shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Yeah.

You never accept anything in a win, you wouldn't in a loss. I promise you, playing 14 years, Ocho, you played 11 plus. You know they did this when they was winning. They did the exact same thing. You never tolerated on a win, what you wouldn't have a loss. If it was okay when you was winning, why isn't it okay when you're losing? because you allowed them to establish the coaches kind of like

give you instructions of how the players decide what to build. See, when you got a strong foundation, nothing will ever crumble. Your foundation wasn't strong. Your foundational pieces was not strong. And therein lies, you start to splinter. Instead of, I don't, just look, the matter of fact that they said,

current and former players are talking. It just tells you to the egregiousness of it. It tells you the egregiousness of it. You know, you'll hear things, Ocho. Yeah. I ain't no report. I ain't breaking that. They're going to get mad how you know,

Shadda, how you know you're not there. Now they're talking. Now, this is what we know, chat. Based on this, over the last couple of years, when y'all say sources don't know what they're talking about, y'all know they done their homework somebody that organization's talking and it ain't just power ups it's players yeah they're talking and this is what happens when you put the wrong people in place this is what you get remember i told you ohcho i've always tried to when i

played i always tried to do the right thing because people's watching they were watching because they're looking say man and i can't wait now get me about year eight nine and i get some and I play really well, that is what you want on a show. You want your best players to be professional. Now, a pro and a professional are two different things.

Completely. A professional is the task, is the job that you have. A pro is how you do said job. The two different things. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised.

surprised at all. I'm not surprised. You're not surprised by the names that were mentioned. I just, I just hate it. That is the names that mentioned. I really do. I hate it.

I hate it that the names that are mentioned. Because Jalen Ramirez had a, Hall of Fame career. Yeah. Tyreek's got a Hall of Fame career. Not a good look on neither one of them. Why? Ocho.

That's what I don't get, Ocho. When was this, a guy could just leave practice. If this was being reported, Ocho, is true. A guy, Ocho, did you ever have that? A guy just left practice? Just leave. I'm talking, Ocho, just leave, not injured, just leave. Man, forget this.

I'm up out of here. Or a guy, I mean, I've heard the guys just leaving, man, they get fed to get mad and frustrated, and they leave. Just leave a building. When did that, Ocho, did that take place with you play? That must a case. When was that? You got to understand we had a different, we had a different set of.

Willie Ellenson, Willie Anderson, you know, big, big Bobby. They're not, they, Andrew Whitworth, walking out of who practice? Brian Simmons, the Keogh, Spikes, walking out of what practice? Man, them dudes with a, man, I'm saying me in general, as great as I was during that time, man, I mean, they would have yoked me up. I'm being honest. I believe you. I believe, yeah, that's what you,

happen big really man please man it woulda yoke me up man who the fuck you think he is no now we don't do that it's already bad enough we don't need you to be no distraction now what you do on the fear that's one thing you're doing your job but off of it at practice oh no i want no problem i want no problem oh no let me let me tell you what i think happened they think brian flores was too far this way and so what do you do instead of hiring somebody in the middle you go too far that way you go too far that way. Right. Look how much space is up in there, Ocho. Yeah. There's a lot of room for players to maneuver up in there. I got a question for you. Yes. You think players, forget Jalen Ramsey and Tyree. You think players would have showed up late or walked out of practice with

Brian Flores at the head coach? Hell no. Got damn right. You got there. Absolutely not. A fool. A fool that it's different kinds of coaches, different kinds of mentalities. Certain coaches, hell, he only have to say nothing. It just, it just, they don't respect. Oral. It's just who he is. You know not to play with him like that. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, what we do? What, what's the answer? What's the answer? Give me your honest opinion. Give me your answer. What do the dolphin need to do? What do we need to do?

They clean the house. They're going to clean house. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So down, so down, so down. Clean who? They're going to clean house. You think so? Tyree's gone after this season.

If not by the trade deadline. line. They've already got rid of Jalen Ramsey. Yes. They're changing the culture. Am I going to be shocked? I'm surprised Mike McDaniel is still there. Because when you say you're fining players, obviously that has to

come out of payroll. Obviously, you have to write it up what they're being fined for. Why are you taking money from them? The general manager sees that. So you got to understand the situation that we Dolphins fans myself

people have been fans for this organization me since 1978 if you say we're cleaning house we're basically hitting the reset button and before we get a competitive team will be a very long time from that because you know how long it takes

to rebuild yourself back up to be in a winning organization yeah you can't win with you can't win with leaders like that though you can't can't win with leaders like that that. I mean, I wish I can, you know,

dress it up for you nice, chat, but you can't. You can't. You have to have an extreme. If those guys, if those guys are your leaders, I'm talking about your main leaders. Yeah. Hey, wait. You think Tyreek did this with Andy Reed?

Ram didn't do this with McVey either Different culture Different coaches But why Ocho Don't you want to win You see when I say guys Now I tell you Guys guys say they want to win

But do they really want to win Are they doing the because it's just not what you do. Ocho, you win Monday through Friday. You just played a game on Sunday. You win the game on Monday through Friday. I don't get it. I don't get it.

I don't. Remember, when these issues were arising, when these issues were happened, they actually were winning. That's when the issues occur. When you are winning and you understand what you get on Sunday, then the coach is a little bit.

going to lean with some of the stuff away. We had the same issue in Pittsburgh. You already know what I'm talking about. Yeah. Right. Oh, we didn't get to see that part until it came to a head where enough was enough.

Production and tolerance. Yeah. As long as production is here, tolerance can be here. Right. Tolerance would never outweigh production. When Tyree was getting 1900 yards, you didn't hear a thing. You see how high as production was?

There he was up there too. He had 900 last year. Production dropped. Talas was still up here. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right. We, we got to get, we got to get me in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, he can flourish.

Ocho, he came from a structured, oh, if you, normally when you come from a structured environment, if you go, if you go, look at somebody in the military more times than not not always what are they always on time yeah very very disciplined huh very good and the way they keep their homes very tidy yeah so no matter even when they leave the military they kind of still gravitate towards that yeah very oCD in a general and just in the way they live yes yes so it's surprising to me no it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not surprising to me players say they want to win

but they actually think just winning the game is winning you win in practice you win in meetings you're meeting in the training room you went in the meeting rooms that's when you win they're just looking at winning on Sunday that's not

the only way you win you win Monday through Friday That's when you win. I just don't get it. I don't. And I'm never going to, you're not going to make me understand because like I said, I mean, what do you got to do?

Ocho, how are you late? I can see if you leave it one, somebody that got two jobs, Ocho, and they run, they, hey, they got off the other, one job late, getting to the other, I get it. I don't know another player that has another job. He got one job,

making $30 million, one guy making $22, $23 million, and you late, you leave it. Oh, I've been late before. It wasn't a continuous occurrence, though. Yes, yeah. Oh, Joe, we get it. I could tell you when it was. It was a goddamn December, and I opened the dough and the snow everywhere.

It took me forever to get out the goddamn parking lot. I get it. Look, everybody I think is, I mean, I shouldn't say everybody, but most players have been late at least once. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't think what they're talking about is a once occurrence. Reoccurring. Yes, yes.

Oh, Joe, like I said, one time, hey, it ain't going to happen. But see, that's what, that's how Mike was. Overweight, Mike going to hit you for $50 a pound. It's just what it is. You late to the meetings, hey, you can pay the normal finder. You can pay it in cash in front of the team. The choice is yours. Now, I'm telling you, Michael, get rid of you.

Hey. You can't win because you say you're fostering a culture that as the old guys start to move away, this is what you're going to be left with. Yeah. And so that's what, what do they always say, Ocho, you try to get the bad apple out because the bad apple will spoil the rest of the apples. but listen sometimes your bad apples also sometimes your best player yeah

and there lies the problem I said sometimes yes and there in lies the problem why let me ask you question why did the Patriots win so much who is the hardest worker 12 you see you see the foundation that he laid yeah I guarantee you it's the same way in Kansas City

you go when you get your best place and they're the hardest workers you're Michael Jordan, you're Kobe Bryant, you're Josh Allen's, you're Patrick Mahomes, you Peyton Mannings, your Tom Brady's. It's easy to follow those guys.

Yeah. But you got to have a strong, that guy got to be strong. And guys don't want to let guys like that down. Damn, man. It's bad. We do it with bad. Ocho, We knew it was bad. We knew it was bad, but what I saw?

Not like this bad, huh? Huh? I say we knew. I knew it was bad. I'm just saying the way we played the night, the fight that we showed, the resilience that we showed, that, you know, the whole world, they doubting us, oh, y'all don't have,

y'all don't stand a chance, y'all get run out of the stadium, Buffalo from the beach y'all hitting? No, we play good competitive football. We were three mistakes with three mistakes, and I hate to blame it, that costs us the chance to tie the game. Mm-hmm.

It costs us. It just did. Damn, man. I still got a tour jersey on, though. You know, you know. Yeah, I see. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Ocho, we're going to move along. Former Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said he thinks it's foolish to believe Tom Brady won't use his access as a broadcaster to help the team. Pierce said this is unprecedented that we're seeing. I think it would be uncomfortable if it was the other way around, to be honest with you, because you're not dealing with just a normal person.

Tom Brady is elite of the elite, one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players in this game. It's hard for him to watch a few things on Friday's practice or here thanking the production meeting and be like, hmm, and I have tidbits. You'd be foolish enough to think

that he's not going to share those with the Raiders because we had those conversations about certain things. Those conversations don't matter, huh? Tom Brady's the seventh time Super Bowl winning quarterback. Six with the Patriots and one with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Him going to another team practice

and sharing with the staff for the Raiders ain't helping because it means nothing once you touch the field and you have to execute. You have to execute. It comes down to X and nose, Mani Omano, winning your individual matchup, having a conversation about what I saw

don't mean nothing. Matter of fact, small example. We watched Canelo Spar. One of Canelo Spar partners was drawn boots in us. And then when it was time to fight another switch hitter and Bud Crawford didn't matter.

It didn't matter. matter. No, but what if they got intel? What did they have got entail of what Bud was actually doing? I'm giving you a look on what you're going to see Sunday. No, no, no. I don't want no look. I want to look from what you're telling me. Geron Boots Ennis is not Bud Crawford. So let me ask you. So let me ask you this. Okay, wait. Oh, perfect. I'm glad you said that. Geron Booth's Ennis is not Bud Crawford. Tom Brady and Gino Smith, Tom Brady? Oh, so let me ask you question. Whatever you information you give is not going to work.

So let me ask your question. So if B-Mac, so if Bud's trainer, what a tell Conno's trainer, okay, this is our strategy. That's not going to help either, huh? Absolutely not, because if you get in the ring, no matter what I tell you, you still got to execute the fight. Stop it, Ocho, stop it. Stop it. You know that's not the case. Absolutely not.

Hey, hey, listen to me real quick. Listen to me real quick. You play with the Denver Broncos, right? you play me the different Broncos and just say they got your playbook and you don't know it they got your playbook and John that way called the playing the huddle

and you get to the line you worried about them knowing what the play is that actually happened or you're worried about the player what you're going to do? You're going to get open no matter what. I ain't got to tell you no speculation it happened. The Tennessee Titans had our playbook

did you get open that game? Hey, we made what we won. Did you get open that game? Also, I made one play. Jamal Lewis rushed for a touchdown. The defense took the game over. We couldn't do nothing offensively. They had to check for everything that we did.

Every formation we got in, they had the perfect call. The only play that we made was the formation they had never seen before, where we ran switch routes. I ran up, I was lined up in the slot, and we crossed. I went up the rail, and the outside guy went up the other scene. I caught the go ball. They passed it off? Nope.

They blew it. They stayed. Both of them stayed inside and let me go around the rail of Scott Free. I get it down to the one, Jamar run the ball in. We didn't do nothing after that because they had the playbook. Hey, um, I, listen, you cut from a different claw. We think the same. We play the same.

We talk the same. So the fact that you're not agreeing with me on this, I wouldn't care what they know. I don't care what plays you know. I don't care what time I'm ready to tell anybody When I line up on that field You're going to get this fucking work I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry You're going to get this work my bad my bad my bad

You're good It's work That don't mean nothing That ain't no competitive advantage Because you still got when the whistle blow You still got to go out there And execute the X's and O's Oh Joe if I know where you're going

I'm gonna be there before you get there Shit me Come on Come on That's why that's why that's why you don't pee in your location. That's why you don't tell anybody. You don't want nobody to get the drop on you.

Yeah, I just, I just, I'm just a thought. I mean, just a thought as a player. I bet you ask some of the young players right now, hey, Tom Brady is having a conversation and they think it's a competitive advantage, him being in the booth. I guarantee all the players right at, man, we don't care about that.

If that wasn't the issue, why did the NFL not let him do it last year? If it wasn't an issue, or they thought it was an issue. I don't listen You know You said it wasn't an issue Why wouldn't they No I'm saying it

The powers that be that The powers that be that like to control everything Everything that goes on Like player socks What you wear Of course they didn't want to do it I mean he's doing it this year Why?

Oh I don't know I don't know I don't know Because you know You know how they are You know how they are Yeah we can always disagree They micromanage every little thing

Every little thing Oh, it's a competitive of it. Hey, that ain't shit. Because all the boys still got to get that in line up. You do. If Tom Brady and I, if Brady was actually playing in the game at quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders,

now we got a problem. No. Now we got, now we got a problem. Belichick can't play no games, but he showed it called a lot of great defenses and seemingly knew where everything was going to be. I mean, he had a lot of great players too to do it.

He had the players. It doesn't matter the players. It doesn't matter. it doesn't matter it doesn't matter you told me it doesn't matter you see what they did against you see what they did against Seattle

they knew if they brought a certain defensive package in what would Seattle do break a certain offensive package in they brought a 5-3 in they say well Seattle's going to throw the football I just think look

it's going to be 50-50 There are going to be people that feel strongly like you do. They're going to be people that on my side feel strongly like I do. I'm surprised that they relented because if that's true, what information can he get from a practice that he needs to help calling the game? You say he watched tape all week. So what does Friday practice do for him? He watched it on tape.

So why does he need to be in production meetings? Yeah, I mean, to me, we're making too much of it. We make it too much of it. I think enough people. Go ahead. I think enough people on both sides have strong opinions both ways. That's why. If it was like,

you see how close they came for the tuck rule, getting the tuck rule out? Because you got people strong on both sides. It's fine. Nah, nah, that's a competitive advantage, so forth and so on. Because I remember you couldn't push the guy. You couldn't aid the runner. You couldn't push him and help him gain.

yards. Now you can. But I just think the thing is, is that Tom, it is definitely a situation where the NFL is going to look back into it. All right, Ocho, we got a very, very special guest joining us. This guy has done something that very few track and field men in the track and field game has ever done. He's one of the few men that has run sub 44 into 400 meters, run sub 198 into 200 meters run sub 980 in the 100 meters. He's a world champion in the 100 meters. He's an Olympic

silver medalist in the 100 meters. And I think he won the he's on the world relay team. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Fred Curley. Fred, what's going on? Thank you on mute, Fred. Can you hear me?

Yeah, we got to die. What's going on, bro? Chilling, chilling. Chilling, can't complain. Let's start with this. You watch Sid today, 4778. Two women, I mean, think about it. You had to go, to get on, basically to get old,

you got to run one of the 10, 11 fastest times ever for a woman, just to get on the podium. How impressive what you saw Sid do. Basically, she said this year, I'm done with the hurdles. I'm not doing the hurdles. I'm focusing on the four flat. And her sole purpose is to take that world record down. Many thought was untouchable.

How impressive, how impressed are you with what she's doing, Fred? I think it's crazy. It's something that I have not done, have been done in 39 years and to have somebody great at her to accomplish that is amazing. And I feel like she still can go faster. She's just still young and just the open four. Her baby is the 400 hurdles,

but it's no telling what she can do in the open four. I feel like she can go even more. below what she did. I feel like she's still young at it. Her body's still young. I feel like she can do some, still can do some amazing stuff in that open 400 meters. You believe she can go sub 47-5? I feel like she can go faster than that. I feel like, yo, it's Sydney we're talking about. Yes. So she got, she got talent that, I think, no woman on this earth have got or no woman have discovered yet. I feel like she's amazing. So every time she, she's, she's, she's amazing. So every time she trust his track, it always have been

a world record in her young days. So I feel like the sky is the limit and I feel like she still got a lot more in the tank. I feel like that 47 where she ran was a chill mode, really. When you look at it, Fred, I think a part of it, because they're talking now that maybe, and Bobby, Bobby

Cursey, he coached Flojo, Gail Devers. Gail Devers was a two-time Olympic 100-meter champ. We know what Flojo is. We don't need to say anything. Valerie Briscoe, at the time, she married her hooked, and now she's Valerie Briscoe hooked. He was the first to do the double, the 4-2 in 84 in L.A. Last time the Olympics weren't in L.A.

Guess what? In 28, the Olympics going to be in L.A. Could you see Bobby Kersey going to the Olympic Committee and says, look, we want to do something unprecedented. The only thing that they can do unprecedented is the 4-4. I feel like she always can do anything. But if the time frame presentable, I feel like any, and no telling what the Olympic Committee can do. for any of us.

Right. Right. You watch, I mean, I don't know how much of the, are you watching the world, the world championship? I watch YouTube University or Twitter University. I get all the news when everything come on them channels. I'm not watching it live. How surprised are you with the way Oblique Seville

has run this year, ended up winning the World Championship 100 meters? He caught Kashane. Cachain always gets a great start. I was surprised how easy this Ville made it look. Noah got the bronze, but Noah didn't have a whole lot of races. Handicapped what you saw and what you think happened. I don't think I was so much surprised about the race.

He's been showing it since I raced him in Jamaica. It's all about peeking at the right moment. A lot of athletes have not race in September. They end their season in August each year. So every time you end your season early, you don't get that extra boost. And what I saw in the 100 meters, I feel like he was always capable of doing it. He just ended up shorthanded.

And this year he showed what it was. And for Noah, I feel like I don't think he was so much concentrating on 100 this year. I think he was so much concentrating on the 200. He lost the 200 last year. And I feel like he wanted his revenge. The 200 is baby. I feel like he won't the 200 more than 100. Yeah, I think so, too.

To be a four time, I mean, he's already three-peded. So now he wants the four, something that no man on the track has ever done. I think Usain is done for 200. He got DQed in, I think he got DQed in 2011. That was just a hundred. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about you.

Yes, sir. You had a whereabout violation that you was possibly contesting. I don't know if you're still going to contest that. I'm still contesting. I ain't doing all wrong, so my people are still fighting for all that. Okay. But they said you're the first, if I'm not mistaken, track and field athlete to be a part of the end.

enhance games. Yes, sir. Enhance means break a world record with enhancing. I mean, obviously on the protocol, if you're trying to fight to say, well, you know what, I did nothing wrong, this was just a whereabout. I mean, I'm sorry, I didn't give you, say, I was in Miami and I was supposed to be in L.A. or I was in the Bahamas and I was supposed to be over here. Why would you, why would you take this deal? Why would you do the enhanced game? Come test me. You know what I'm saying? Come test me. I'm not tripping. You can come to my house any second, any minute, any hour come text me i'm not worried about no mist test no nothing come test me i've been clean my whole entire career you should come text me only thing by signing up to this game make money protect my future

equity is everything ownership is everything for me and they did the exact job i got ownership and a lot of track athletes when they get done with this sport they don't got nothing to go home to i've been to two olympic games and been world champion right so for me my understanding is I don't, I got, I got family to feed. Right. I'm going home. You know what? If I go call somebody asking to tell me, give it $200K, go get a job.

I ain't never had no job. You know what I'm saying? Only thing I know is my feet running. Run, you know what I'm saying? So nobody's going to tell me how to make money and protect my family. My bloodline depending on me. I'm the first one to make it out. And my whole job, it continues to, if I make $100 million,

I'm going to continue to make $100 million each and every year. So my whole job To protect my bloodline So explain to me Tell me this, Frank So tell me how the whereabouts Do you, okay, so you give them locations Of where you're going to be

They call you Or do you put something in right At the beginning of the year It says, okay, this is my I have a residency here in Texas I have a residency in Florida And I have X, Y and Z So how do the whereabouts?

How does this work? So whereabouts is basically We fill out each quarter They got to know all your location They got to know if I'm here Where they got to know everywhere So basically every quarter you feel out where you're going to be But the problem with that, you never know what you're going to be

Okay Life is life So it's just like you just got to give them an hour They come after hour sometimes They come when they want to Simple as that So basically for me it just feel like I'm in prison My dad been in jail

My dad been in prison He's still on parole He don't got to do half of the shit I'm doing To maintain a paycheck Right Hey, um? Yeah. Hey, Fred, that's the same thing with us in the offseason, no?

It don't matter where you are. They always have a test where you at? Yes. Man, I don't like that. It don't matter we, hey, Fred. But I remember one off season, it might have been after that 2005-2006 season. It didn't matter where I was. But, you know, the problem with football and track, y'all still maintain your contract.

Oh, okay, okay, okay. We don't. No? No. Oh, so in other words, you want to, you know, once you get spend it, you get, you get no money. Like, USATF, uh, spend my medical stuff. So what you, what was somebody like me to, like, I'm got to get money regardless. You know what I'm saying?

Like, we don't get nothing, like, track, track and field not paying me, sponsorship paying me. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So. Have you lost any of your endorsements? I don't got no endorsements. So what people are talking about is make money at all costs and protect my kids. Wow.

So I don't care what, yo, I don't care what nobody say. They're not feeding none of them. They're not even feeding me. So let me ask you this. You said you want a chance to push your limits. So you say they can come test you now. You know if you take part of this, Fred, you're probably going to get a lifetime ban.

Yo, yo, yo, guess, hey, guess what? It's someone happening. Go on do what you got to do. Hey, just like they got people, I got people. And I'm blessed. and I'm highly favor of the man above. I like it. Do you think if you were to go ahead and take this process,

how do you think Fred Curley is going to be remembered? Because like I said, Fred, there's not a whole lot of men. I mean, you're an NCAA champ. You went to the 400. I'm still in a testing pool. Okay. I'm still in the regular government body testing pool. Okay.

So let me ask you a question. Do they do blood, they do blood and urine? They do both. I just got a piss test today. I'm not tripping. Yeah, you're going to be good. You're going to be good. You see the problem?

I feel like the problem is they're scared to pay the athletes. You know what I'm saying? So they can't control us when you're trying to make other form of income. You know what I'm saying? So if they can't control what you got in your pocket, how are they selling that you got the coaches and stuff making more than the athlete? Wow You got agent making more than the athletes

You got president making more than the athletes Is they protecting the athletes You got at least that can get sponsorship You got at least that working a job To maintain their livelihood Yeah So at the end of the day It's protecting myself because they don't care about me

It don't matter how much money I make with endorsements that stuff end. Right. And without adortioning, we're not surviving. Right. So what's routine paid for a diamond league? They say, well, Fred,

we want you to come contest the 100 meters. What does the Fred Curley get? What is the guy? Obviously, you saying, both with a special circumstance. I feel like every year been different. Everything been, like, I can't tell you on a day-to-day or it's wherever the meet got

or whatever to meet. think is the main event of that champion. Oh, okay. Okay. So I can't like every, every meat is not the same. Right. Like only thing it might be the 100, it might be the hurdles. It might be the 200. It might be the 200. Okay. And I'm an American. So America live different for Europeans. Okay. Like we got to live. You know what I'm saying? Nobody coming to

nobody coming to my rescuing asked me if I got this or got that. Like nobody care. Like they're people going to live on their regular life. If I go dead broke right now, if I go, oh, no, I don't got it. So it's protect my future, protect my kids. You know what I'm saying? My legacy, my legacy.

I did everything in this sport. I still doing everything in this sport. So let me ask you this. You say you're still in the testing pool. So now you didn't go to the world. So are you still training? So what is it now? What do you do now? Because

Basically, I don't know if there's anything after the world, and so the season is basically over. Are you getting ready for next? Are you going to do the indoor season? So world, so I'm not, I'm suspended right now, previous suspending. So they, I'm still, because text in my, okay. Yeah.

So I'm not basically banned as yet, but they suspended me for competition. Okay. So, right, my lawyer's fighting, fighting that. So right now I forever retrain it. I'm happy, so you just never stop doing what you do. just because of this. You never know.

You always got to be prepared for what's coming. Fred, let me ask you this. Why did you, I mean, you're a great 400, you are a great, you were on pace to be one of the greatest 400 meters. What made you decide to go to the, what made you decide to drop down and do the 100? See, like the, um, 2019 actually changed every day.

My coach left me in 2019 to go get a degree overseas. 2020, I was without a coach. 2021, I was allowed to coach until, like, a couple of, and that's when I moved to Miami and start training with Coach Joey. And I was still doing 400 training,

but a 400 training, you got to have somebody there just to push you. The 400 just started getting born. And then all of a sudden, I was just like, let me just try this. My ankle got rolled and stuff, and then I was running on the hurt leg. And that's when

God bless me. I said, I don't know what's next. And then that's when the 100 just came. I ran 100 at a meet, I mean, a track meet in Florida. And that's when repetition started becoming easing. And that's when I dropped my first nine. I'm like, I'm going to the limps. Yeah, I'm running 100 at the lymphus this year. And a lot of people questioned me around me.

Even my coach questioned me at the time. But at the end of the day, I'm always going to believe in my self-ability. I won't get into something if I know I'm not going to. be good at it. Because it's rare. Now, we see people do the four drop down to the two because of the strength training, so you're really good.

We see people do the two drop down to the hundred. I think, what was the guy? He went to LSU, Zavier. He won the 400, 100. That's man. Yeah. He won the four and the one and the SEC at LSU.

And so he was having a promise. So I don't know if I've ever seen anybody do what you've done, but it's the times that's most impressive to go sub 44 to go sub 198 to go sub 9 8 but for me do you know anybody else that's ever done that no yeah I do besides yourself no I don't know nobody but for me it's just like it's all about people tell me I can't I hate the world I can't that will make me want to do it even more oh you can't do this you can't do that oh I heard that a time when I'm younger, so that's why I'm going to go do it.

Yeah. And every time somebody say, I can't, I've been successful. And, hey, you know what I'm saying? So I can't complain about what God gave me in my heart to do. He pushed me to greater things. So when somebody said, I can't, that's when I'm going to do it. Just like I will mason, uh, Ocho Sinko, right now. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Oh, dad, Fred. I don't want to talk about my friend. Hold on, hold on. Hey, um, hey, um, you know why he ran sub 44, right? Well, you're chasing it? Now, ask me who he trained with. Yo, that was, you know, you came to the track like one or two, Tom.

That's him who you trained with, huh? He came like, you got him, Ocho? You beat bad at the phone. Hey, flew by him. Yo, you know what happened? He started training for Botson because I beat him so bad. Hey, fuck, hey, flew by. He was like, I didn't know you was that fast to be this old.

I was like, yeah, I'm like that. So if this, if this band is lifted. I don't think there's anything next year but the USA's and then there's the world's in the 27 and then you got the Olympics in 28. So what is your immediate plans? I'm still running. I'm still running.

I got a salary. Okay. Yo, I got a salary. I got equity in the company. So I'm still running and still run freely. You know what I'm saying? People came to the zombie of my success. Like I said, I ain't really missed no test.

All the mistests I've missed. I would add track meat. Okay. So I'm not caring about none of what people say, but people got to go into the details and stuff. See, they're not popping people on drugs. They're popping people with whereabouts.

Yeah. So they're not really doing their job. And guess what? I got drug tests the next day after no mistests. I'm not caring by no mistests. I know what's really going down. And we exclaimed to them, too. Just because I'm a mayor.

Just because I'm, go ahead, Fred, go ahead. Sorry to cut you off. Go ahead. Just because, like, I had a rough year and I can't complain. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like, just got to do better. Is it a situation? They don't give you a heads up.

They just need you. So they call you stay an hour before they're going to show up. It's no cause. Oh, they just pop up? Yeah, there's no cause of none of that. What? They got to, they got to stay. you see at least they let us know it's none of that it's none of that that's that's not fair

it's it is none of that's the problem is tracking fill are you not making no money that's how they make the money that's why UFC dropped them yeah the drug test yeah yeah the out of test so they said they so they're not really doing their due diligence and stuff with everything you i heard you keep saying americans americans do you do you you feel that this system is set up to catch Americans while other countries possibly, because everybody don't test like the American getting there. Right now

I feel like we live in a time where that people, like the OGs and stuff back in the day fucked it up for us. Sorry for Cussing, but they messed it up for us. Okay, how so? You already know, just the OG's messed up

for us. Like, so I don't care about getting tests. You can test me every day, every minute, the other hour. So it's just like, the OG messed it up for us. So in other words, it's like, those guys were like, well, I wasn't there and I'm sorry. And so that's why they put the whereabout

clause in, because when they wanted the test, guys said, well, I was over here, I was over there. So now they make y'all every quarter. So every three months, you guys got to feel like, well, I'm going to be in Miami, I'm going to be in L.A., I'm going to be in Texas. I'm going to be in Georgia. No, no, we got to give them every address. If I go out to

eat, I got to put that address in. Like right now, I got to put this address. every minute they can show up. Oh, no, come on. Now, they're doing too much. Now, y'all ain't able to help me out. Yo, I'm telling you, that's how it happened. It's like we in prison.

Like, you got every hour, every, everywhere you go. You got to do the training block. You got to give them an hour. If you leave the house to go down the street, hey, they got to know everything. And that's what people don't realize. Like, I don't know, you can come and test me any time. But, like, filling this stuff out every minute, every second,

it's just like, bro, y'all doing too much that's a very big of privacy and stuff too. When we go overseas, we got to fill out every minute, every second, everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Everywhere you go. If I go to a funeral right now, they got to know where I'm at at the funeral. People popping up at restaurants to test us.

People popping up at airport to test us. Damn. So it's basically like we're in a plantation. Wow. And the outside world don't know what's actually going on. Because you got people that actually own the stuff, but never getting caught because they're getting paid off.

You got active cases right now in track and field that you solder and water is not doing nothing about because they're getting paid off. Damn, that's a pretty strong accusation, friend. There's no abstraction. The facts is the facts. Simple as that. And they know it.

They got cases going on right now. You can come and text me any day of the week. And I'm not true. I can show you my, my, my, my, yo, we get us, every time we do a drug test, stuff come to my phone. Negative, negative, negative, negative. I'm not tripping. Have you thought about transitioning to football? You won't get a tested as much?

No, baseball. It's guarantee money. Fred, you ain't played basketball in 20 years. You ain't been playing. Yo, I don't got to, yo, I can play. What you go? What position you're going to play for you? Center field.

You know they hit in center field, right? Yeah. You got to come to the play. Yo, you know my speed. I know how to catch. You can, hey, I know you here somewhere in this county where I'm at. You can come check me out. Hold on.

You can hit the ball? Yes, I can hit the ball. You in Miami now? No, I'm not in Miami. I'm talking to the unc. I'm going to say let go to the bad cage. This weekend. Are you going to be here?

Yeah. Oh, you know, I was a five, too. Like, you know, they were trying to draft. Yo, you said you're good at everything. No, I promise. I promise. You know, the Marlins tried to draft me in 97 out of high school. Yo, y'all Florida guys, y'all got to stop.

Not for real. Fred, that's like when I beat you when we was out there training. Like, you were like, oh, I know one of the greatest runners of an American hit. I know you ain't letting this man come off the street and beat you, Fred. I did. Yo, you talk about Ocho. Hey, he thinks he good at everything. You see what he thought he was about getting.

that soccer ticket, too. Look at them. Fred. You think you good at everything, man? Fred, be honest. Unk right here. Now, I didn't beat you when we ran 250s. I ain't never doing no 250 in training in years. So what you talk about? What we was doing that day? What were we doing?

I thought, what, 150? We were doing something? What were we doing? I ran it with you. I don't know. What were you doing? Whatever was I blew by your ass. I know that. I just want to know what we're doing. I can't remember. Hey, we can line it up this weekend. Oh, hey, I got my camera ready. Well, bring your camera out.

I've been training. I don't, you've been training? Hey, you just, I'll train every day. Yeah, you probably be like the glasses, wopsided when I get done with you. Okay, okay. Keep that same energy. Matter of fact, I feel so good, I give you five meters. Huh?

Huh? If you go, how you're running? I give you 99 meters when we go on 100 meters. What you're running on, Joe? You want it been a 40? You want 40, 60, 100, 200, 400? You know what? I don't want to handicap him.

I want to give him a chance to actually try to catch up. So we'll go 80 meters. 80 meters, how much you... Yo. The first 60, you're done. You ain't no chance. The first 60. You can't be T-O.

Hey, that's my dog. That's my dog. You can't even be T-O. That's my dog. But listen, I'm a different horse. I'm a different thoroughbred. I mean, I beat you. You are a world-class athlete.

You're a world-class sprinter, and I smoked you. And I'm just being honest in front of the people. The world needs to know. I don't know. The world need to know that you're the biggest cap in the history of sports. I ain't even got no. I got a cap right here. That's about it.

Fred, we're going to get you out of this one. Handicap to 200 for us. You got, hey, you got, uh, Noah. The Jamaican ran really good today. He broke it down, but he looked really good. And then you got, obviously, you got Tobogo, you got Kenny Benarrett. How you see the podium? Hmm.

The podium. I feel like Noah's going to take it, Tobogo second, and Jamaican third. Wow. Wow. Because, but I believe, but I believe somebody's injured. and out of three of them. So I don't know. Three of them look injured, but hey, you never know.

You could tell the injured just by watching. Yeah, I'm an athlete. I'm like a track athlete. So you can tell, like, you can tell people forcing their runs and stuff too. Right, right. So, so those are four people going to be on the podium regardless, but you never know right right so you think you think and i think no is going no is going to take it because i feel like he got something to prove and because what happened last year but you never

know to boggle a sneaky mother man nor came out with the shorts today i don't think i've ever seen nor running shorts i know normally runs in the singlet now no one would be running the shorts but i feel like he got something to prove so he does i feel like feel like we're going to see some nasty stuff in Tokyo in a couple of hours. Wow. So you think he's still seething from losing that 200 in the Olympics getting the bronze because he really wants to go. I mean, the gold medal, I think the gold, but like you said, the 200 is his baby.

And he has yet to get the medal. He's stand the top of the podium at the Olympics. And so he's like coming back. Look here. He got something to prove. He got something to prove. and definitely in the deuce. I feel like he got something to prove,

and I feel like he's going to show the world what Noah's always been Noah. So I feel like he got something to prove and the two, but Tobolko always sneaky. He probably is he probably faking like he got injured and just show up. What kind of time you think you're looking at? Is he going, I mean, in 19, 501,

which was the World League. I feel like they're going to be between 193 and 197. Wow. I feel like you're going to be something fast. Wow. Wow. You're going to be something fast. And I won't be surprised 19-2, but I feel like 19-3 to 19-7,

those are going to be the winning times. You think they're in that kind of condition? I feel like, hey, that's his last race of the year. He did what he got to do, and they got to did. Some of them probably jogs, some of the races. I feel like history always be determined when championship will come. The real dog come at championship. and no approvals over years.

He always show up. So he's probably going to show up. How do you like the women? Sharika Jackson looked good. She ran 21-99. You got MJ, Melissa Jefferson, a wooden. I feel like Melissa going to win the 200. She didn't get out.

Hey, she set some people up this year. And so, like, I can't, like, my one is, like, that's her. You know what I'm saying? The other two, Shariqa is going to probably be on the podium. And the third, I don't know about the third because it's all over the place.

Because you've got some faces that fighting just to run some of them times in the semi-final. Right. All right. Fred, thanks for joining us tonight. We wish you the best of luck and your appeal of the suspension.

Whatever your endeavors are, we wish you the best of luck, man. Stay healthy and come back and join us soon. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

Fred Curley joins us tonight he's a very unique athlete Ocho as I said before to run sub 44 to run sub 198 to run sub 98 he's special

he's special and to drop down from the four all the way down to the 100 like I said we've seen them drop down from 4 to 2 we've seen guys go to 2 to 4 to 1 but we've seen guys do 4 8 but we've never seen, I mean, to do this and do it at this level.

That's one thing, I mean, doing it is one thing. Doing it at that level is something entirely different. So hopefully everything works out for him, and he'll be back running soon. I didn't know all the things what he's seeing, you know, about all the showing up and the testing and not making any money. I didn't know anything about that, but I'm glad we were able to get this thing done. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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