Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Brian Flores & Jon Gruden get good news in court + Tyrone Tracy Joins

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to US Circuit Court of Appeals rules that the NFL can be put on trial over civil claim Black coaches have been discriminated against, the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Jon Gruden and New York Giants RB Tyrone Tracy joins! 04:30 - Brian Flores' Racial discrimination lawsuit against NFL15:40 - Jon Gruden vs the NFL17:25 - Ravens and Commanders cancel joint practices25:29 - Tyrone Tracy Jr joins50:05 - Jerry Jones (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have Tyrone, Tracy, Jr., and Drey London, in a bit. But first, Ocho, the second U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan ruled that the NFL can be put on trial over civil claims that Brian Flores and other black coaches face discrimination. In February of 2022, Flores sued the NFL and several teams saying the league was rife with racism, particularly in its hiring and promotion of black coaches. Other coaches later joined the lawsuit as plaintiffs. Ocho. I don't know how close you followed this,

but I've always felt the way the NFL did business with this discipline was unfair. And God, if you've heard me from CBS, I was on their decade. I was with Fox for seven years. And I like to use this analogy. Ocho, if I got a speeding ticket, I shouldn't have to go appeal it to the chief of police

because it was his department that gave me the ticket. Come on that. I've always thought it was unfair. The NFL hands down this punishment. And if I want to go appeal it, guess who I'll appeal it to? Right. The commissioner. Yes, sir.

Or someone he appointed. How is that fair? It should be an independent body. That's why they have a court system. That's why they have the police. They're two separate, but equal entities. Yes, sir. So I've always felt this.

was a very, very unfair practice. They've always been able to hide behind Article 46. Yes, sir. But you gave commission, and he's, he's everything. He's everything. He's the jury. He's the judge. He's everything.

That is so, so unfair. Yes, sir. Even if you have these broad latitudes of power, I've always felt the commissioner should get out of the punishment business. Let someone else handle that. Let it be an independent. body. The NFL and the NFL PA should have an independent body. Right. Because you're never, everybody feels they're going to get, they're going to get an unfair hearing.

Right. If the, I'm appealing to the head of the entity, they handed down the punishment. But this is, this is the thing. Let's understand the ecosystem and the power and the powers that be when it comes to the NFL. Let's say if it does go to an independent body, do you understand? Even would it be? an independent party, independent body, a separate entity away from the NFL, do you know who still controls the power? Do you know how they're going to be swayed still, where justice is still not going to be due? Even though it's a different entity? Do you understand that? I do. Understanding the power structure that you're going up against, the chances of winning is slim to none, whether it comes from the commission himself or whether it's a different

and governing body. I do believe I have a better. Let me ask your question. If I get a speeding ticket, do you think I got a better chance to go into the court or going to the chief of police and having him hear it? Because think about what happens when when police officers do something wrong. Right. It's few and far between that their own department, IA. Internal Affairs or the governing body that represents the police, the union, discipline. Yes. Yes. You're right. You right. There's a greater chance that the court, and now, you know, look, the court system has said, you know, hey, who, that imminent.

Hey, hey, any threat, be it real or perceived. Let that sink in, Ocho. Yeah. Real or perceived. Yes. Woo. You have to understand. And you know well, for those that don't understand, maybe on the outside looking in.

even with this ruling, now being able to be or go to court? Oh, they're going to appeal it now. Even if they appeal it. You understand the animal and the power structure. Of course. You're going up against the machine. I have a question, huh? Yes.

In the history of law in general, how many times have the people, even those have been discriminated against, even those who serve right and deserve justice, how many times the machine lost, on? it doesn't happen often but you can't get deterred right just imagine if Dr. King would have gotten disturbed or deterred

or all those people that marched in the 50s and the 60s had gotten deterred Rosa Parks if she had said you know what ain't nothing going to change so let me just go ahead and give my seat up

you know what I'm glad you just said that right I'm glad you just said that so everything we've been through in the 50s right the 60s all those that sacrifice Yes.

We had one that sacrificed even recently. Brother Kaepernick, Yes. Take me. Yes. Standing for something. Right? Yes. I have a question for you.

Yes. Has anything changed since then? In the NFL? No, no, not the NFL in general. Just with everyone you just named, but 50, 60, 70, 80s, and it's happening. Has anything changed yet? It doesn't seem like it, Ocho.

It seems like if we take a step forward, we take a couple of steps back. Okay. but if you yeah talk to me think about your grandparents yes sir then your parents within that same situation and you said ain't nothing changed oh I might would just stay in the same Liberty City do what they did and not try my damn this right to improve the situation now where would we be we we we we try our damage to improve the situations right that's what you could do talk to wait let me

stay with me real quick now there was a time in the 50s in the 60s where they were able to wear their hoods, huh? Yes. Daylight, in broad daylight, clearly because it was accepted. So now they've gone away from that part. So the hoods are gone. Yes. Now they wear roads.

Now they hold apples. Now they have suits and ties on. Now they have positions of power to where, okay, it seems like things would change or things may be different, but it really hasn't because now they're just in positions of power and controlling everything. And that's what they do. And that's the way, the system is, to me,

it's all about understanding the system and being able to fight it, being able to fight it and understanding that I'm going to do all I can to try and improve the situations around me. It makes some type of impact. But the way the ecosystem is built, in general, the way it's structured,

is built for you to never to win. But you have to understand how much. They would never allow us, to ever get in position to be able to make that change. And the ones who do that look like us that happen to get them and where the suit and ties to, you got to play by their rules. But see what you did?

You see what you said? When we get a chance to get in that position, do we do, do we lift someone up? Or do we kick the ladder and says, I'm up on the top of the roof now. So I'm good. I'm up here.

I don't want nobody to look like you to join me up here. Stay, stay one more time, though. Listen to what I said. Yes. When they do allow you and put, you in positions of power, you have to play their game by their rules. That's why they're even letting you get in that position to begin with. Sometimes that's correct, but you have to look at it, Ocho.

Think about a system that's been in place for as long as it's had. You think you're going to dismantle a system that's been in place for 400 years in 30 years? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. You're not. I know one thing. That system that's been in place for how long has been in, if they allow you.

To be in that position of power, you better play by their rules. And there's an understanding that you have to do that in order to be there. But I mean, this is a great topic. You know, I'm not one to really talk about policy and stuff like that, but I can go. I can go now. But I love the fact. This is now because they said, because if you go back and look at the ruling, he said the judge, like, ain't no chance.

Right. That is this fair. under no circumstance at all even if he were to appoint someone it's still him so you like an arbitrator that he appointed is going to rule against the man that appointed him right you're right you make it make sense now yeah you right again we go back i got the speeding ticket and i'm going to the i go to the chief of police right okay well guess what the chief's not going to hear we're going to give it to hey the corporal he'll hear it mm-hmm still no no no no it needs to be a separate body that's why the police they do what they do

and then guess what your job is done we go in the court yeah and now we have a whole different body with 12 men and women that's going to determine it right yeah because if it was left up to the police they would have 100% yeah 100% absolutely absolutely but just in this case what have brother but Flores and other coaches that look like us. Minority for that matter. I love that they're standing on Venice in general. And they're going to get in court. But I also do understand the other dynamic of it

and understanding who you're fighting against. Yeah. Oh, they got a lot of money. They can throw a lot of... The funny thing about it, the thing about it is not even about the money. It's the power in which they can sway any ruling to make sure they're not at,

fall because that fight that they're fighting about, it's still going on today with opportunities not being given to certain individuals that look a certain way. Nothing has changed. Also, when it comes to the quarterback position, that's still prevalent in today's game as well. Yeah. But I don't want to dive deep and go into it and go in depth, but there's so many different layers I can peel back that I choose not to do. But listen, only a blind man.

only a blind man would not understand what I'm talking about. No, only a man to choose not to understand what you're talking about. But those that can see and don't know and they're going to play maybe naive. Devil's advocate? Yeah, and dumb to the situation, when the facts are clear as day that you can see, come on, man. Let's not do that. But, hey, the man gets to have his day in court and we'll see what happens. And then, you know, you go from there.

But I can assure you they're going to appeal this. the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled in favor of former head Raiders head coach John Gruden in his appeal against the NFL. Gruden will get discovery and a day in court alleging that Commissioner Roger Goodell and the NFL

improperly leaked his email leading to his firing. Yeah. And hey, that's another one that's going to be interesting. That's another one that's going to be interesting. Well, you can't appeal. Now, they might appeal this

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They might supreme, because the Nevada Supreme Court said, nah, no, no, no, he gets the score, he gets the score. Because, Ocho, you got to realize it's $70 million at stake. He had a 10-year, $100 million deal. They fired him. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Well, that's guaranteed, though. You know, when coach-

They didn't pay it because they, cause. He got fired for cars. there are probable cause and getting fired and that that's like a player getting in trouble conduct get you into the team we can take that money back okay i didn't know that part yes i didn't know that part okay okay so would i be surprised if uh if if they went all the way to the supreme court yes i absolutely would not the NFL doesn't like to take als right because remember you take one you then everybody else feels like we got him vulnerable we got it we can we can jump on do we Hey, all it takes, look how big the giraffe feels.

All it takes is for one lion. Yeah. To weigh him down and then here come to rest. Everybody else. Yes. That's how they get the, unless they kept it, catch it napping. Every once in a while, they'll catch him, catch one napping. He doesn't let it too get too late in the day.

Yeah. And he's still rested and they catch him. But for the most part, one of those big males, jump on his back. Yeah, it's a wrap. That's 400 pounds. Yeah. And he's like, hey, he can't support that.

And here he comes. Yeah. look, the NFL, they've made it a very abundantly clear in the appellate court against Brian Flores. They're going to appeal. I can see them appealing this all the way to the Supreme Court. He still, he's still the defense coordinator in Minnesota. Okay. He absolutely is.

Okay. After another joint practice fight between the Ravens and the commanders, the Ravens issued this statement, recognizing the logistical challenges with our team's previous game schedule on different days and the added strain on players heading into a short week. the Raven and commanders are mutually agreed to no longer hold joint practices next week. Instead, we'll concentrate on preparing for the upcoming preseason matchup. Ocho? Yeah.

Damn. Yeah, I like it. I like it. I mean, it's cool. But at times, Unk, you get tired of going against yourself. At times, you get tired of going against yourself. The funny thing about it is the joint practices, they're going to be scuffles. There have been scuffles in every joint practice, every season.

back to date when I was playing and I'm sure they were scuffles oh you said you guys didn't have joint practices but hell we did no we did we did oh you did

oh but hell if it wasn't a joint practice hell you'd be scuffling against each other get it all out your system now one thing we haven't seen in a very long time except a few instances

is us as players actually fighting in a game now hell no that costs you money there are a few instances they don't play I remember one time I can only count three

I can't remember the receiver's name Chad, you can probably help me out. The receiver who got upset at CJ Gardner Johnson. Oh, yeah, yeah. And punched him in the face? Yes, yes. And then, like, when the play was over, not the receiver. And then I remember Odell and Josh Norman.

Yes. Now, that was, and the most prevalent and consistent of battles was Mike Evans and Marshawn Lattimore. I think Steve, Steve Smith got into it with a few people back and forth, but nothing that really came to, to, blows like the ones I just mentioned. Right. And I cannot forget. AJ Green and Jalen Ramsey.

Yep. And Andre Johnson. Yeah. And Cortland Finnegan. Cortland Finnegan. And classic. Ateeb Khalid. Wait, how you say it? Akeeb. Akeeb. Akeed Talib and Michael Crabtree.

Outside of that, I mean, that's it. It happens very, very, very, very, it doesn't happen. But it does happen. But it does happen. It normally, but there's a culminate, there's a buildup to it. Yeah. This is something that happens over years. Yes, yes.

It ain't just one game. It's a history is a pattern. Right. And it's like, okay, enough is enough. Because Drey told us, he's like, man, he had been doing this stuff for some years. Years, yeah. And it just built up. And it's just the day, like, you know what?

I'm going to put my foot down. Actually, I'm going to put my foot in his ass. And so it was a buildup. But, you know, when you're in joint practice, you got close proximity. Oh, yeah. Because when you fly in, you got flying to BWI. Baltimore, Washington International Airport. It's 50, 60 miles.

Right. If that. So, you know, the close proximity, you know, yada, yada, yada. Everybody say we're the toughest, we the baddest, and we get it. Right. I just, for me, I didn't have that kind of time because I was exerting all my energy in practice. I ain't got time to be fighting. Look, hey, how are we doing this?

We're doing it. Snap the whistle or snap the after the whistle. I just need to know. So that way, I'm clear. or how you play it so I can play just like that. And, hey, we're not going to do no shoving or what, so how are we doing? Are we protecting each other? Am I going to throw your ass over the pile or what we do it?

I just need to know because I can do it any kind of way. I'm going to make sure you know, the one thing, hey, karma's got a lot better. Karma used to take years. Oh, yeah. Sometimes karma instant. Oh, yeah, most definitely. Like Insta card, you know, you're just like, dang, I don't know how I'm going to get this. I got to go to the grocery store.

You can order it. Now you can Instagram stuff, I guess. Oh, yeah, most definitely. And they'll bring you exactly what? Now, sometimes they bring it to you. Yeah, most definitely. But, uh, so I guess, I guess the Ravens and, and, and, and, and, and, and the, uh, the, uh, the commanders, they had a joint, they were having joint practice and they just been fighting, huh?

Hmm. Damn. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I saw some footage on Twitter today where it was a big scuffle. I'm, I'm, I'm assuming they used something maybe from last year. Because I, I haven't seen any scuff. of recent but I mean this is smarter the coaches you know prepare for the game prepare for um because the last thing you want to do is get somebody hurt oh yeah most definitely most definitely

you get somebody hurt because then somebody get hurt and if it's a key player right oh ain't going to be no more practicing yeah at all because we fight every snap we fight mm-hmm yeah I like I like it you know look I get it because a lot of times because you know know we do a nine-on-seven the dbs and wide receiver is doing one-on-one. Hey, man, hey, who winning? Y'all, y'all got it? Right. Oh, man, we're killing these fools down here. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. Hey, listen, that's what we got from the Titans, the Titans and Falcons. They're joint practice. They, they're going at it back and forth. Because one Tennessee player said,

okay, they got us today, but we're going to get their ass tomorrow. Exactly. That's the mindset. At the end of the day, it's all about competing. It's all about competing. Those that have already made the team, you want to make sure you look good and be able to put on a show in that joint practice and let him know I'm still him, whoever it is. And if you're not him, I'm trying to make a name for myself right here until I get to do it on Sundays at 1 o'clock. If I'm not him, I'm trying to be him.

But in the meantime, Ocho, you're talking about we're going to get the ass back tomorrow. Coach ain't trying to hear that. He's going to curse me out for the next two hours in meeting. Right, right, right, right. So I got to hear his mouth. First of all, I had to hear your mouth how y'all did us on the practice field. And then I got to go to meetings, going to get it from Mike. I'm going to get it from the O.C.

I'm going to get it from my position. position coach. No, bro, you're not going to do that. And at one point in time, now we might get as a team because I can't control everybody. I'm just one of 11. But when it comes to my one-on-one matchup,

coach ain't going to do another pat me on my back and say, good job, son. I need that. I need that. Listen, they love. Your coach, you're going to be needy, going to have puts in your butt. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Listen, they call it a team game, huh? Yes. They call it a team game. They say it functions well, It functions well when you play as a team. But what people feel to realize is when you break it down, all it is is 11 players.

11 individual matchups. 11 individual matchups. And when each one of you win that matchup, it works wonders. It works wonders. But the funny thing about it is sometimes there are weaknesses in that 11, week to week. There's always a weakness somewhere.

Yes. So coaches, that's what coaches come to play. I know what this player does well. nobody doesn't do well it's a chess match between coordinators on sundays how do i have the weaknesses and put certain players in position to make plays right but it's great even even even in um joint practice is scripted because they want to look at certain they want to look at certain formations against certain defenses you want to see certain defenses against certain formations so everybody's trying to do everybody in favor yeah we don't go okay we

A, 907, a good solid thud, pad on pad, square up. Just let me know, hey, you go across the middle, a guy's gonna put pads on you. Now, they're not gonna take it to the ground, but be prepared for a collision. Yeah, get yourself used to it. Okay, I'm cool with that. Now, if data told us one thing

and all of a sudden you wanna be a hero, okay, don't worry about it, I get you back. Yeah, it changes everything. You damn right, it does, because you're not gonna get me. And then you go over to the sideline and slap hand and slap high fives. Don't worry about it. Don't worry.

Don't even worry about it, don't you? Don't worry. No, my bad. Nah. Nah. Because guess what? You said my bad. He said my bad.

That's one too many of my bad. You get one. You don't get two, three or four. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, guys. joining us, joining us in the chat right now is the New York Giants running back last season

as a rookie he ran 192 times, 839 yards, 5 TDs, and he's back, Tyrone. Hey guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as the People's Princess, but now you're also going to know me as your favorite host. Every week on my new podcast, Fud around and find out. out, I'll give you an inside look at everything happening in my crazy life as I try to balance

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And the locker room. I really, really, like, you just, you can't replicate, you can't get back. Showing up to locker room every morning just to shit talk. We've got more incredible guests like the legendary Candace Parker and college superstar A.Z. Fudd.

I mean, seriously, y'all. The guest list is absolutely stacked for season two. And, you know, we're always going to keep you up to speed on all the news and happenings around the women's sports world as well. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I'm Jake Hofer, and this is Back 40,

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What's up, right? Man, how are you? I'm going to call you T.T. I'm going to call you TT because I feel like... I appreciate that, man. That's what they call you? You want to be called TTT? TTC, you know, TTC, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't call me Tracy. Don't call me Tracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I want to do that. So, Tilly, I have a question. First off, my first question is, how are training camp going so far? How your legs holding up and have you hit that ball yet? Have you hit that training camp wall yet?

Yeah, I mean, I think a lot. They've been taking care of us, to be honest. Like, he's been doing a good job making sure that, like, you know, we putting it in work but it also like you know giving us a bone you know here and there making sure you know uh you know off days we're taking care of you know the recovery aspect of everything but i'm good you know camp being good everything been good the vibes in the locker room is high yeah you got new faces in the locker room so everything's been smooth yeah so hold on hold on go ahead don't you i'm feeling good tonight but i'm from the talk but listen i got

i got one more question your rookie season for now season five touchdown 900 some yards on whatever, however many carries it was. I know you set goals for yourself. You have two goals, but obviously as players going into a season, you have personal goals as well. What will your problem with your goals be if it's okay with you sharing it with us tonight?

Yeah. Personal goals for this season. Yeah, I mean, to be honest with you, so my personal goals, first and foremost, you got to win because I feel like if you don't win, nothing else matters. But obviously, I want to do way better than I did last year.

Last year was really just, you know, obviously my first year in the league, Welcome to the league, all that stuff. But now I feel more confident. I feel like, you know, I got the energy behind me, but I also got, you know, the trust behind me as well from the coaching staff and my teammates to go out there and play well. I want, you know, 15 hundred yards.

I want 10 tuds. And like, I want to be, you know, one of the running backs that people talk about. Like, you know, this is the stuff I pray for, you know what I'm saying? I feel like for me to say it in front of you guys, but then also like, you know, say it to myself each and every day. You know, that's something that you need to say, you know, the power of life and death live within the tongue. So I got to continue to speak life into my situation for each and every person I'm around. You got what I'm saying?

So, yeah, yeah, that's how I'm moving right now. I like that. Speaking into existence, we were, Ocho and I were just talking about practice fights when you have, you know, scrimmages, joint, joint practice scrimmages. Yeah. And there was a little scuffle yesterday. Well, what popped on with you and Will McDonald? They don't really pop off, man. Y'all, y'all been there.

Y'all been there. I can't get, you know, it's high competition. Yeah. You know, the best against the best. You know what I'm saying? I had a good little run. He was just finishing the play, and my office in line didn't like that. Right.

You know what I'm saying? So that's really what happened. You know, he threw me to the ground. My office in London didn't like they had my back. Yeah. It really wasn't nothing. It wasn't nothing crazy, man. You know, we've seen worse.

You know, y'all probably seen worse, too. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. If Brian Blake, because I, Ocho and I was just talking, okay, when you have a joint practice, okay, coaches go overlook. 9-on-7 is going to be solid thuds. We're not taking anybody to the ground, but they're going to be some thudding going on, okay?

And 7-A-N-R-A-N-Tin, they're not going to take it to the ground, but it's going to be some collisions. So just expect it. So you go in with a mind said, okay, this is what it's going to be, X, Y, and Z. I'm good with it. I'm prepared. It's when you do something extra is what, because your coach had a conversation with our coach. And this is what they agreed to. Now when you step outside of that scope, I got to check you.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's exactly what happened, to be honest with you, too. Yeah, they told me, like, Coach Dave came to me personally. He was like, yo, like, we know it's tag off, but just be prepared in between the tackle. box to hit you. So I'm like, okay, okay, cool. Like, you know, I'm cool with that.

Like, in between and talk about, you know, that's 10 yards. You know what I'm saying? They're going to hit you. Okay, cool. But this happened, you know, I'm about to go score. You know, we 15 yards down the line of scrimmings. Like, I'm running. So that's really why, you know, the scuffling started just because like that wasn't the rules.

The rules is in between the line of scrimmage, boom, you get 15 yards. You can hit. But other than that. Like, you know, let me finish my run because I'm just trying to do my job, you know what I'm saying, finish off a run. But, you know, like I said, man, we just, people have my bag and they didn't like that. That's all. Yeah, that's dope. Hey, Jackson, Jackson, Dart.

Oh, yeah. I knew you was going there. Yeah, yeah. I knew y'all was going to go there, but I knew one of y'all was going to go there. Listen, listen, I'm asking my question is, is Malik Neighbors having a very, very, very good year last year. And I knew him, and Malik Neighbors had the talent. to be in the top five conversation. We talk about receivers, no, in the NFL.

Yeah. How has Jackson Dart looking so far as far as being able to understand the offense, being in commanding the offense, and understanding, like, this is a chance that I can be the future for the next decade for this team. Yeah. Did you watch that last game? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, they were three quarterbacks that looked really good because we didn't know what we were going to get from. Jackson Dart was one of them. The other, George Sanders, and there was one more. Jamis played. All four of them played. He also started it.

He kicked it off to Jamis, then the other guy finished it up. Yeah, but the small sympathized we saw from Jackson Dart, they looked good. He looked calm. He looked calm. He looked calm. Very good. Very calm. Most of the time, most of the time, rookie quarterbacks, when that pressure, those lights are on,

they get happy feet. They rattled. You know, their technique is like, they rush the ball, but he looked really good. No, he did. I mean, to be honest with you, it ain't really nothing crazy. You know, he did out there. He do that stuff every day in practice, to be honest with you. Like, that's just how all the good players that you're around,

the great players you're around, they all do that stuff every single day. So it's not like a surprise when they do it on Sundays or Saturdays or whatever. So, like, yeah, I mean, I feel like he's going, he has the potential to be a really good quarterback. Right, right. That he's taking everything to his, his game. to another level, to be honest.

When he first got there, obviously, it's a lot of information going in, but now, like, you can see that he's settled down, like, and, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, he dialed in now. Like, you can see some of that college Jackson Dart come out of them because of how calm and relaxed he is in the game. And, like, he's just out there hooping now.

He ain't, he ain't thinking. He's just out there playing. That's the funny thing. When you get to a point, regardless of what position you play, which he or running back, especially the quarterback position, because you have some of your plate

and at the table coming to the line of scrimmage. But when you know everything and what everybody's doing around you and you're comfortable and you add comfortability with confidence, it's a done deal.

The game starts to slow down to you. And when the game starts to slow down to you, you start to look like some of the better quarterbacks in the NFL that do it consistently, which is key, week to week. I got one more question on before you go. I'm feeling good.

Hey, man, I got questions for y'all too. Please tell me, what is it like to be around James crazy-ass Winston in the locker room I just need one good James Winston story please hey he's funny man have y'all been around them yeah for short spurts

in the Warlands you know but I would but every day no that that would be a joy I ain't going to a lot like what y'all see online and on Instagram and all these clips you I see really like that like

I promise you I promise you like I have a million stories like I'm only known a man for about five months now right right he does crazy stuff every day like every day like he does something crazy like I'm I'll tell you this one story um we had a UFC fighter um come to our practice and she gave him some gloves right like signed them and everything james comes in a locker room and starts like doing UFC like kicks and fights with the gloves on like he's really trying to fight people in the locker room like yeah he was showing us how his kicks and everything like yeah i promise you like he is like i thought i was outgoing person yeah until like i met him like he's like literally

one of one like he's a great great person he all he's like he's a very down-to-earth guy yeah cool as hell that's dope yeah that's kind of where i was going because i wanted to know the difference between the the personality between russ yeah and because if you look at them the personality is very very different but they're both very religious men seem to be very approached their business, go about the work, the task at hand, and get the job

done. What would you say it would be the biggest differences between Russ personality and James's personality? That's a good question. I would probably say James goes about his business more fluid, I guess you can say. Russ is more like, not really

strict, but he just has a certain way of doing things. Right. James is more like goofy, like, he is business, but like he also understands that like, you know, you have to have fun while doing it. You have to have fun while doing it, you know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong.

Russ has fun, but like, Russ is like on a certain path. Like he does stuff a certain way and like I don't know how he's like, he's like he's not strict, but he expect things to look a certain way. Very disciplined, very structured.

If I was a given analogy in comparison to the two, it's like watching Fresh Prince and watching Will Smith and watching Carlton. Yes. Yeah. I see Russell Wilson as Carlton in the sense, very serious, very business-oriented. You know, he can have fun when necessary.

And I see James Winston's at Will Smith in the character comparison to the two. Yeah, don't get me wrong. They both are cool, like, regardless of the situation, but, like I said, James is just more goofy. Like, he's there to, like, he's always going to make you laugh, make you feel good. Like, even when things are, like, very tense, he cracks a joke. So, like, you feel good.

Yeah, he breaks the ice. So, like, no one, you know, feel like, you know, the coach is getting after you or whatever. Like, he makes sure to, like, you understand that, like, at the end of the day, coaches are going to get after you, but you got to move on. Like, the next play is. is coming up. So you continue to move on. And Russ is the same way.

Like, Russ is very, like I said, he's strict, but he has a certain way of doing things, very disciplined. Like,

first one in, last one out. Like, every single day, he has his routine of what he does. And that's just who Russ is. And if you've been around them,

he handles itself, like, professional, like, every single day. So, yeah, they're both very good leaders.

Like you said, very, both very religious men. Like, I really can't say enough good things about each of them. Yeah, that's dope.

That's last. You guys finished dead last in red zone touchdown percentage. You scored the second fewest points in the red zone. Ain't that's a little harsh. I mean, dang. You guys finished last in red zone. Well, y'all finished second worst in point scores. So that I mean, you weren't dead last.

The other one, you were laughing. You know. Make a show. But okay. When you come back on next year, what are you going to do different to make sure you're not in this same spot again? Man, to be honest with you, when we get down there, we got to score. three points is not enough. You can field goals get your beat.

Yeah. In this league, three points ain't enough. We got to score tuds. And I think that really starts with the O-line. Obviously, protecting the quarterback. Quarterback, you got to do your job, make better decisions. Get the ball to your playmakers, running back, receivers, tight ends. Get them to the ball.

Like, I think that's the easiest thing in the game. Get the ball to your playmaker. Let them go to work. And when your playmakers go to work, it makes the whole game easy. Yeah. Where do you come in at? I didn't hear you mention Titi. He's a playmaker.

He's a playmaker. And you say, run the ball? Oh, you want to run the ball? Okay, we're going to run the ball. Okay. We're going to turn around and hand it to you. Now, T, T, T, T, you got to put yourself in that description as a playmaker. Because you know what you could be.

Hell, you could be the goddamn security blanket. You could be. You want to be one of the better running backs in the league, right? So you want to know when they game playing and they come into a game, well, God, damn, we got to worry about two people. we got to worry about Malik neighbors or we got to worry about TT you come in defenses

you in the back field first or second down all right we got to drop the safety down in the goddamn box they can't do that though they drop a safe down we're going to throw it over top boom boom so in Malik going on all boom now we got now we got to go too high and it's time to work

we'll be trying to run them out of that too high exactly but that's what I'm saying like you get the body of your playmakers that makes a lot of things easy especially for offensive coordinator. We got a lot of good dudes and you're locked roomed out. And they all want to win. Obviously, you got the personal stuff that you want to do.

But, like, if you all just want to win, like, it makes a lot of stuff easy. Like, because it's easier when you're winning. When you're losing, it's hard, man. Like, last year, it was. It was hard last year just because, like, obviously you're losing. And we're trying to figure out why we're losing. And then, you know, you got a whole bunch of stuff going on. So it was hard, but it's way easier when you win it.

It's fun. It's fun to be around people, fun of being around coaches, fun of me in the locker room, everything. So. Fun to be out in about the city. Yeah. Yeah. Being able to show you, especially, listen, we're talking about you, you're playing in the biggest market. You're playing the biggest market in the world.

And when you win it in that market, oh, the newspapers are a joy to watch. The headlines are a joy to read. When you lose it, everything is magnified. You don't want to show your face. You don't want to deal with the fans. It's in a market of that magnitude. So, man, I'm, listen, I'm hoping, I'm hoping y'all do very, very well. You know, we will.

Hey, the division you guys are in, it ain't no slap. Oh, yeah, no, I ain't no slap either, though. We ain't no slap either, though. Okay, okay. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm looking for right now. Okay. Come on, now.

Hey, KT, have you always been a running back? Did you play any other position? Yeah, I was going to say that earlier. Yeah, I was a receiver, true. my whole career my whole college career really yeah yeah I was I turn I turn a switch position my last year because of coach C he's a he's at the running back coach at Purdue okay yeah he came in

from Miami of Ohio he looked at me and he was like yeah you're gonna be a running back and I know I've known coach C for like my entire life like I know him since I was like 15 years old right but I wanted to be a receiver I was you know I was watching I was watching you Ocho you know what I'm saying I watching watching y'offin i was watching tayvon austin like i was watching all these cats you know go crazy you know with the i was about what five i was about five 10 180 you know i was a slot receiver um and then once i got to college i gained some weight got to about 200 pounds right and they was like

yeah you're going to be a running back yeah so everything if you look at hold on let me say this real quick real quick if you look at everything like from all my my stat line from from My measurements, you know what I'm saying? Like I was an average, I was an average receiver. But then like you switch it to running back, you know, now I'm running, you know, 4-4-7. That's as fast as fast running back. I got good hands. I can run good routes because I was a receiver.

So like, and you look at everything that, you know, you compare it to the league today. Now that's God. God really made all that happen. Like I went through all that struggle and that frustration and irritation and then next thing you know, like all the blessings came out, you know, in 2025. It was, it's crazy. Well, listen, now that you just said that, well, you just woke me up a little bit.

And I want you to understand the importance of not only playing receiver one point, but now playing runnerback. You understand that's two things you can do very well. Because now you don't got to come out on third down. Yeah. You don't have to come out on third down. So that puts you in the same category. You can get to this in year two and continue to improve on it.

But Christian McCaffrey, great runner back. What else can you do out the backfield? Catch. Catch. Ladania Tomlinson, out the backfield, and catch. No, so that makes your three-down back, and that adds value. You know, it happens when you add value in another dynamic to your game that they can't take away from you, it also adds dollars.

It makes my money, yeah. Okay, stay with me now. The more you can do. Well, since you're a running back official now, give me your top five running backs of all time. Oh, of all time? All time. Of all time.

Okay. Herschel Walker. What you know about Big Dog? Come on now. I actually watch this film. I ain't going to allow. I actually watch this film. You were held in college, man.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to go. I'm going to go out. There's some dogs. Yeah. There's some dogs in time. talking about running backs um Emmett smith got to put him in there is this like is like rankings or you just like no no no just your talk five just your talk five this is yours the way ranking okay

yeah it's your preference uh LT the Dan Thompson yeah I love I love his game like I love how smooth he was um and I'm gonna put I'm gonna put uh Otis Anderson in there out only because I've watched this film personally, and I've seen, obviously, I play for the Giants, but I've also watched this film personally. I like the way he play. He's a big grooving back. He put that wind up on you.

Mershawin Lynch. Mishon Lynch. Bees-mode. Yeah, Beast mode. You got to put Beast mode. I was that four. And then my last one, ah, I'm going to go, Bo, Bo.

Big Bo. Jackson? Yeah. Okay, okay, that's a good list. That's five or six. I think he might have one. I added one. I think you did.

But we'll let you have it. That was five, huh? That was five. You know, he's getting, oh, he can't, I don't know if you. You had, you had Herschie Walker, you had Emmett Smith, Lidania and Thomason. Who else he had? Bo Jackson. Bodice Anderson.

And Bo Jackson. And Bo Jackson. That's fine. You're right. You got by it. You just, you just named guys, you just named guys that. I saw, and you did see. Yeah.

And you know, I was surprised. I thought you would go a little bit more modern. Right. Man, Poe Barry. Man, I ain't never seen somebody leave Barry Sanders off the list. No,

I ain't going to go about so. So I was going to put Barry and I put Emin in there, but I go, that just made me personally. This is my personal. Yeah, that's your list. Personal.

Hey, matter of fact, you know, you know who my favorite running backs are. And it's not the favorite, it's not the favorites. I'm not talking about all the time. I'm talking about running styles. I like running back in general,

but I like runners that are very smooth with no herky jerky movements. It just, they get the ball and they just glide as they run. Arienne Foster. Yeah, you had, hey, what about Marshawn Lynch? Hey, is he a running back? Oh, that was a kid.

A young man that can't remember. Damn, how do you remember your plays? I did, I did say that. I did say that. Yeah. I did say that. Who told you? I know you got a wristband like a quarterback.

producer told you that. No. Hey, Hey, oh, Joe, I had to feed a runner back like the quarterback

like, oh, okay, that's the play we run it right there, no 14, okay, that's me.

I ain't, I ain't get my, my, my, my three smoothest running backs up all time based on

who you got? Running style. Running style. Okay, four. I'm gonna go with Eric Dick is the first. Okay.

It's pretty, just pretty. Ari and Foster. Okay. I know you've seen Ary and Foster run. Yeah. And Priest Homes.

The priest. priest home and amon green that's a new one that's a new one hey um you dudes ran so smooth and it's like they was gliding and like you know how you see some running back he's like ugh uh-uh you know they're strong they run strong dog them them four out his name right there man it was beautiful i play i played with preach one year in his last year in baltimore i play with the priest yeah man among among green too um oh my goodness You know, in that West Coast system, you get downhill. And the West Coast system, if you look at the back area and Foster, he's in the West Coast system.

You look at those guys like that, Terrell Davis, it's one cut downhill. And ain't a whole lot, hey, ain't a whole lot of dancing. Moving, yeah. Hey, say that for Friday night when you're at the club. But come Sunday, when you're on the field, ain't no dancing. Get your ass down here. Right, right. So what can we expect from T.T.

So you said 1,500, 10 tubs, Pro Bowl? I mean, hey, ain't the Pro Bowl, like a fan vote? Is fans, coaches, and players? Isn't that a fan vote? Like, the fans vote count the most. I think it's 50% and then players and coaches count 25. I'm just asking, you know, you can get all these accolades and stuff, but like, you know, I feel like that's fan vote.

So I think once you crack, once you crack it one time, and especially for you, it would be much easier because of the market you play in. You know, the product is, product sells itself based on where you're playing. So if you even get close to the numbers that you're talking about getting as far as your goals for this season, you would definitely make it. And once you're in, most of the time, they think, oh, it's a, it's a popular vote, regardless of whether the fans pick it or not. Yeah. consistently though if you maintain the weekend from a from a from a stats perspective yeah oh yeah okay okay but yeah that's definitely that's definitely on my on my list for sure where can the chat find you on social media where are you on where are you on eggs where are you on

IG oh sure on on on x or twitter X uh it was just tyrone Tracy and then on on Instagram I am underscore TTJXI shoot both of y'all I need y'all to follow me too hey wait I got one more

question too before you go how do you feel about your madden rating and do I need to change anything I think I think I meant like a

I think I'm at 79 I think what a 79 yeah yeah I think I'm not I'm not positive

in your rookie year you might have been a 79 based on what you did last year I'm sure is when I okay in the 79 so so if it's not hired in the 7 9 I need to contact you what

what I'm here just let me know just let me know okay now we'll contact us after the first month of the season no contact us after the first game after the first month of the season contact us first month okay first mom I got you I got you hey man thanks for joining us man oh I really do hey the number one thing always health. You can't do anything if you're not healthy, you're not available to your ball cup. So best of help this season, and good luck, bro.

All right. Appreciate you. Thank you. Joe, Jerry Jones continues to believe all the public, all publicity is good publicity. Jerry said, I do believe that if we're not being looked at, then I'll do my part to get us looked at. The beautiful thing for networks,

or if you were streaming companies, is that the NFL is a 300, 265 day a year, interest factory. A lot of programming. You have to spend as much to promote as you do to make it. The Cowboys are soap opera 365 days a year. When it gets slow, I'll stir it up. Ocho, Jerry said he'd be stirring the pot.

Listen, man, everybody in the chat. I use this moniker. I use this phrase. I use this analogy last night. I don't think Jerry Jones understands the product that he owns and controls. Frank Lucas in American gangster

he had Blue Magic, huh? Yeah. Best product out there in the business in the world. You didn't have to do anything to it because it's soul itself.

Jerry, why are you cutting it up? You don't need to cut it up in any smaller pieces for to do what it's going to do without you in the picture. It's going to sell itself no matter what. The Cowboys will always be talked about

When you come out and say something or not, because it's the Cowboys. I don't, listen, I don't, he's not in the business of winning. He continues to show us that time and time again. He's in the business of making money. He's in the business of, you said, he's in the business of making money. He is great at that. And that's just what it is. I feel sorry for the fans, you know, I feel sorry for the players that are, that have to deal

with that, you know, you want to play for the Cowboys, you want to play for America team. got a star on the helmet, but it's more of a circus than it is a football team and the one at the top. Success on any team, it starts at the top. It just trickles on down. But if the circus starts at the top, what do you think the product is going to look like? Come on, man. It don't got to be Sunday for me to preach.

Come on, man. That's a, man. You know, hey, look. Jerry, but come on, now. The cowboys, I think I just. just read today, the Cowboys are worth 12.8 billion. The most expensive franchise, not just North America of all sports franchises, basketball, football, baseball, these soccer teams, euro, all that, nothing.

If it's a sports club, sports franchise, nothing is more valuable than the Cowboys. Yeah. Nothing. Hey, the man is in the business of making money. You hear me? That's it. I don't have a problem with that. But don't try to disguise and talk about you care about winning because you don't.

No. You care about selling tickets. You care about keeping interest in your team, not about winning. Hey, action speaks louder in the words. Yeah. Action show otherwise. And based on his actions, it lets us know I'm in the business of lining my pockets in staying the most profitable sports franchise in the world.

That's it. And then if he's okay with that, then so be it. But he does set a precedent. Yeah. He sets a precedent to the coaches. He sets a precedent to the players. And the way he conducts himself when it comes to business. But it is what it is.

It's the cabb. It's a merry scene. I heard Emmett at this docu-series the other night when he was at Netflix and he was talking about at some point in time it comes down to the players because that's what we did. Emmett. So who are who I want to know to Emmett Smith the Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin was the leader of the team. Yes, sir. And then you had Haley and you look at the guys that you had. You had Jimmy. You had Jimmy. And then y'all got Dion. If you don't get Dion, y'all not going to

be seven. If he stays in San Francisco, guess who winning? San Francisco. He's flipped the balance of power. Yeah. Y'all don't have a level of players. I'm sorry. You don't. You don't. you don't you don't you look at you look at the defense that they had back then boy below it right they were loaded boy below it look at that offensive line they had be easy they had a larry allen they had Nate Newton I think they still had step I think two and they were still there man stop that office of line y'all got Troy was probably one of the most accurate quarterbacks, especially for that

time. Right. Different. Different. But you got to realize, Jimmy wasn't doing all this talking back there, neither. Do you, Jimmy wasn't having that. That's why he got Jimmy up out of there. Yeah.

He wasn't doing all this talking. I don't know about you, but I was in the league. Mm-hmm. Out in the league. Yeah. And I know it wasn't no 24-hour news cycle. But in press conference, they didn't have no mics in front of Jimmy. I mean, in front of Jerry. The mics were in front of Jimmy, and it drove Jerry crazy.

Damn. That's crazy. But I agree with you. The Cowboys brand is so strong. You ain't got to say nothing. Nothing. We're going to talk about it regardless. Yeah.

Outlets, analysts, punts, podcasts. people on the street being in the barbershop I don't remember I don't remember you hey you ever hear Mr. Kraft talk prior to the Super Bowl

I hear him talking the NFC championship game when they get the trophy or that two that when he gets in the trophy so he normally getting trophies when he's talking yeah yeah

Jerry talking to hear himself talk like man forgot what my voice heard like I ain't been on no platform and got no trophy at a long time so you heard what you heard with Denzel Washington said

with that opinionaires yeah he no I'm talking about the other you know he's oh he's on by Jerry Jerry oh he said Jerry by making money that's it that's it that's it I believe I believe you can do two things that I don't believe they have to be mutual exclusive I believe you can make money and still win yeah

yeah you can the Patriots did it for 20 years the chiefs have done it for about a decade now right but then you know his retort to what you just said would be, well, they made money. They won Super Bowls, but I'm still the most profitable

franchise. Yeah. Would I much rather be number one in that area? If I can't be number one on the field. Well, the Cowboys, the Cowboys of America's team when they didn't have Jerry Jones. So what are he talking about? Hmm. Hey.

He didn't name him America's team. They did, they had the stadium with the, with the, with the, the, the hole in the top. So God could watch this team. Hmm. He didn't do none of that.

Right. So this notion that he created this, he didn't. All the teams have exponentially increased. I mean, you could, for what one year salary or what a quarterback make, you could used to be able to buy a franchise. Go make a look at somebody franchise, what they paid for. Yeah. Now, that was, I mean, that was a boatload of money back there in the Earth 70s.

And, you know, that was a, that was a boatload of money. But I'm just saying, and today, you know, they've 10x, 15, 20 X their money. Oh, yeah. So Jerry probably 50xed his money. But with that being said, I don't believe that you have to do all that. Jerry wasn't like this. Like I said, Al Davis was his mentor. That's who taught him.

He's Al Davis. Al Davis has always been a Maverick, always did things his way. And, you know, he's like, I'm moving. I'm going to L.A. No, you got to get vote. I ain't got to get nothing. It's my team. I bought it.

I'm moving. And he sued the league to move. And he sued. He just, I'm going back to Oakland. No, you're not. You got, no, I'm going by. I'm suing. And that's how Jerry is.

Jared's like, no, I'm not going to be a part. I'm going to be a part of the collective bargaining when it comes to, excuse me, I'm going to be a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to TV. After that, I'm on my own. Right. I'm going to do my own independent deals. He has a deal with Pepsi. He has his own deals.

He has his own merchandising deal. He's like, no, I'll do that revenue share when it comes to TV. Right. But other than that, because I can do a better job than you. Got no problem with that. But. It's unfortunate. At the end of the day, bro.

Right now, we're doing this talking. Yeah. You ain't collecting no trophies. Them other five in there, they're lonely. Yeah. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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